Council may reject crossing demand

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COUNCIL officers may reject demands for a crossing where a little boy died.

Southend Council is investigating whether it should install extra safety measures in London Road, Westcliff, where six-year-old Joseph Ball was killed in October.

Campaigners will hand over a petition with more than 10,000 signatures to the council on Thursday, calling for a new crossing.

However the Echo understands highways officers are reluctant to agree to the demand, because there are already two crossings within a few hundred metres of the accident site.

Nigel Folkard, a Tory councillor for the area, said: “I’ve been told that there may be some issues because it would be difficult to squeeze in another crossing there. But I don’t think you can ignore the public feeling on this. Something needs to be done.”

Joseph, of Burdett Avenue, Westcliff, was killed by motorbike rider Marek Kolton, 26, as he crossed London Road near the junction with Balmoral Road. Kolton, who rode away from the scene, was jailed earlier this month for more than five years after admitting causing death by dangerous driving.

In the wake of the tragedy, council chiefs promised to conduct a full safety review of the road to decide whether changes needed to be made or not.

Although the authority ruled the petition only contained 4,800 eligible signatures – because people had failed to include their address or lived outside the borough – it still exceeded the 1,500 names needed to trigger an automatic debate.

Andrew Lewis, the council’s corporate director for enterprise, said: “We promised to review the road safety arrangements for that section of London Road following Joseph’s death. That review is still ongoing.”

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11:01am Tue 28 Feb 12

maxell says...

this accident is appalling, and nothing can be said to comfort the parents of this child unfortunatly the most presous child to you is worth very little in monitry terms , where a adult with dependants are worth thousands , this is the issue that councils are faced with the school were my children used to attend had to walk on a busy main road to there school gate, there is no protection what so ever, they have got the flashing school signs which i beleive are compusory but that it , the authority wont supply a traffic warden on the grounds that it is to dangerous this is directly adjacent to the school and not on a route which children use to cross. Im completley perplexed by this dont care attitude. Council planners know there are schools and therfore should include means to protect our next genaration and not worry so much about traffic flow, I used to ride motor cycles but never once drove between stationary vehicles at the lights or roundabouts this is law that could be changed, anybody reading this should write to there mp reqesting this law change 150 requests will start a debate lets let somthing worth while come out of this tradgety the "Joseph Ball law"
this accident is appalling, and nothing can be said to comfort the parents of this child unfortunatly the most presous child to you is worth very little in monitry terms , where a adult with dependants are worth thousands , this is the issue that councils are faced with the school were my children used to attend had to walk on a busy main road to there school gate, there is no protection what so ever, they have got the flashing school signs which i beleive are compusory but that it , the authority wont supply a traffic warden on the grounds that it is to dangerous this is directly adjacent to the school and not on a route which children use to cross. Im completley perplexed by this dont care attitude. Council planners know there are schools and therfore should include means to protect our next genaration and not worry so much about traffic flow, I used to ride motor cycles but never once drove between stationary vehicles at the lights or roundabouts this is law that could be changed, anybody reading this should write to there mp reqesting this law change 150 requests will start a debate lets let somthing worth while come out of this tradgety the "Joseph Ball law" maxell

11:19am Tue 28 Feb 12

mr_happy says...

I feel sadness for the family a relatives of the young lad. But if you put things into perspective, the situation does not give grounds for a crossing. First, the driver was not even supposed to be using the road and second, he was speeding. If this was the norm for this stretch of road, then we would need to look at the crossing option. As it is, the traffic on that stretch of road in question moves relatively slow due to the many sets of traffic lights and people turning left and right at the many side roads. There are many central islands all the way down the London Road to make it safer to cross, but many people cannot be bothered to walk to them. It is the same story with crossings. As a driver, I am shocked by the number of pedestrians who cross the road, without care just a little way from a crossing, putting themselves in danger and causing stress to drivers. Even if there had been a crossing there, the speeding driver would not have stopped if the young lad had walked onto it. May the boy rest in peace and the driver be forever haunted by what he did.
I feel sadness for the family a relatives of the young lad. But if you put things into perspective, the situation does not give grounds for a crossing. First, the driver was not even supposed to be using the road and second, he was speeding. If this was the norm for this stretch of road, then we would need to look at the crossing option. As it is, the traffic on that stretch of road in question moves relatively slow due to the many sets of traffic lights and people turning left and right at the many side roads. There are many central islands all the way down the London Road to make it safer to cross, but many people cannot be bothered to walk to them. It is the same story with crossings. As a driver, I am shocked by the number of pedestrians who cross the road, without care just a little way from a crossing, putting themselves in danger and causing stress to drivers. Even if there had been a crossing there, the speeding driver would not have stopped if the young lad had walked onto it. May the boy rest in peace and the driver be forever haunted by what he did. mr_happy

12:02pm Tue 28 Feb 12

JuliaM says...

"But I don’t think you can ignore the public feeling on this. Something needs to be done."

Yes, it does. Tell people to cross the road on the existing crossings, and throw the book at unlicensed drivers, rather than letting them off with a slap on the wrist.
"But I don’t think you can ignore the public feeling on this. Something needs to be done." Yes, it does. Tell people to cross the road on the existing crossings, and throw the book at unlicensed drivers, rather than letting them off with a slap on the wrist. JuliaM

12:05pm Tue 28 Feb 12

notinwestcliffanymore says...

mr_happy wrote:
I feel sadness for the family a relatives of the young lad. But if you put things into perspective, the situation does not give grounds for a crossing. First, the driver was not even supposed to be using the road and second, he was speeding. If this was the norm for this stretch of road, then we would need to look at the crossing option. As it is, the traffic on that stretch of road in question moves relatively slow due to the many sets of traffic lights and people turning left and right at the many side roads. There are many central islands all the way down the London Road to make it safer to cross, but many people cannot be bothered to walk to them. It is the same story with crossings. As a driver, I am shocked by the number of pedestrians who cross the road, without care just a little way from a crossing, putting themselves in danger and causing stress to drivers. Even if there had been a crossing there, the speeding driver would not have stopped if the young lad had walked onto it. May the boy rest in peace and the driver be forever haunted by what he did.
whilst you are mainly correct in what you say, i will point out that there are no central islands on that stretch of the london road, although there are traffic lights at either end they are both cross road jucntions.There is provison though for a crossing at almost the accident spot which looks like they started a crossing with pavement butresses but never finished the job. This could be used as a monitored crossing point during the school run times.
[quote][p][bold]mr_happy[/bold] wrote: I feel sadness for the family a relatives of the young lad. But if you put things into perspective, the situation does not give grounds for a crossing. First, the driver was not even supposed to be using the road and second, he was speeding. If this was the norm for this stretch of road, then we would need to look at the crossing option. As it is, the traffic on that stretch of road in question moves relatively slow due to the many sets of traffic lights and people turning left and right at the many side roads. There are many central islands all the way down the London Road to make it safer to cross, but many people cannot be bothered to walk to them. It is the same story with crossings. As a driver, I am shocked by the number of pedestrians who cross the road, without care just a little way from a crossing, putting themselves in danger and causing stress to drivers. Even if there had been a crossing there, the speeding driver would not have stopped if the young lad had walked onto it. May the boy rest in peace and the driver be forever haunted by what he did.[/p][/quote]whilst you are mainly correct in what you say, i will point out that there are no central islands on that stretch of the london road, although there are traffic lights at either end they are both cross road jucntions.There is provison though for a crossing at almost the accident spot which looks like they started a crossing with pavement butresses but never finished the job. This could be used as a monitored crossing point during the school run times. notinwestcliffanymore

12:28pm Tue 28 Feb 12

perini says...

As already stated there is no requirement for yet another crossing. A crossing in that place would not have prevented the accident for reasons already stated.
As already stated there is no requirement for yet another crossing. A crossing in that place would not have prevented the accident for reasons already stated. perini

12:41pm Tue 28 Feb 12

Bosniavet says...

perini wrote:
As already stated there is no requirement for yet another crossing. A crossing in that place would not have prevented the accident for reasons already stated.
As a resident of the area concerned, I have to agree. Another crossing on the A13 will not prevent such an accident happening. My sympathy & support is with the family (can the Echo please clarify in which road Joseph Ball's family lived, as they have reported 2 different places, in the same way that they have used 2 different names for hs mother), but they must realise that a crossing at that particular point will not contribute to road safety. Of course, SBC could remove the lights & crossings at The Cricketers or Hamlet Court Road & replace it with one at this point, but I feel that would make the road more dangerous.
Is there any news on an appeal against the insultingly lenient sentence given to Marek Kolton?
[quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: As already stated there is no requirement for yet another crossing. A crossing in that place would not have prevented the accident for reasons already stated.[/p][/quote]As a resident of the area concerned, I have to agree. Another crossing on the A13 will not prevent such an accident happening. My sympathy & support is with the family (can the Echo please clarify in which road Joseph Ball's family lived, as they have reported 2 different places, in the same way that they have used 2 different names for hs mother), but they must realise that a crossing at that particular point will not contribute to road safety. Of course, SBC could remove the lights & crossings at The Cricketers or Hamlet Court Road & replace it with one at this point, but I feel that would make the road more dangerous. Is there any news on an appeal against the insultingly lenient sentence given to Marek Kolton? Bosniavet

1:20pm Tue 28 Feb 12

saddo99 says...

I think there should be a crossing every ten yards in Southend! Oh wait...there already is.
I think there should be a crossing every ten yards in Southend! Oh wait...there already is. saddo99

3:38pm Tue 28 Feb 12

southendreb says...

Just how long does it take to decide whether that part of london road could be made safer with a crossing.Having a crossing is not going to slow the traffic down much more than the shared space or speed humps. We owe it to josephs family to do something.yes i know it wold have made no difference in this case.
We must have the debate as enough people signed the petition. Not only300 like like Flewitt. Ashleys and Delboys votecatchers.
Just how long does it take to decide whether that part of london road could be made safer with a crossing.Having a crossing is not going to slow the traffic down much more than the shared space or speed humps. We owe it to josephs family to do something.yes i know it wold have made no difference in this case. We must have the debate as enough people signed the petition. Not only300 like like Flewitt. Ashleys and Delboys votecatchers. southendreb

4:07pm Tue 28 Feb 12

westborograss says...

It is not a crossing but education that is needed, within days an older boy was involved in an incident at a crossing in the town centre, & in that case the driver was NOT doing 60MPH
Education & higher penalties is the way forward
It is not a crossing but education that is needed, within days an older boy was involved in an incident at a crossing in the town centre, & in that case the driver was NOT doing 60MPH Education & higher penalties is the way forward westborograss

4:13pm Tue 28 Feb 12

APR says...

perini wrote:
As already stated there is no requirement for yet another crossing. A crossing in that place would not have prevented the accident for reasons already stated.
Quite right.

Do schools still have visits from road safety people ? We used to get them regularly when I was a kid.
[quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: As already stated there is no requirement for yet another crossing. A crossing in that place would not have prevented the accident for reasons already stated.[/p][/quote]Quite right. Do schools still have visits from road safety people ? We used to get them regularly when I was a kid. APR

4:44pm Tue 28 Feb 12

notalocalman says...

Interesting that a councillor is supporting this.. Is he up for election this year?

Oh yes, he is... surprise surprise

Crossing roads is becoming increasingly dangerous due mainly to the number of inconsiderate drivers on the roads (though I understand that was NOT the case here).

This morning at a set of traffic lights I sat and watched a young woman putting on some make-up! I couldn't believe as I didn't really think that happened, but there it was - even when the light changed (which she didn't at first notice so busy she was), she kept her lipstick in one hand, a small mirror in the other and drove off like that.

I thanks goodness I was turning off!

Education, as someone rightly pointed out is what's needed, and possibly the american jay-walking rules as well. There were crossings very near to where this tragic accident happened and yet they weren't used. It's a real shame, but another crossing would make no difference in this case - you could put them every 10 meters and people would still not use them!
Interesting that a councillor is supporting this.. Is he up for election this year? Oh yes, he is... surprise surprise Crossing roads is becoming increasingly dangerous due mainly to the number of inconsiderate drivers on the roads (though I understand that was NOT the case here). This morning at a set of traffic lights I sat and watched a young woman putting on some make-up! I couldn't believe as I didn't really think that happened, but there it was - even when the light changed (which she didn't at first notice so busy she was), she kept her lipstick in one hand, a small mirror in the other and drove off like that. I thanks goodness I was turning off! Education, as someone rightly pointed out is what's needed, and possibly the american jay-walking rules as well. There were crossings very near to where this tragic accident happened and yet they weren't used. It's a real shame, but another crossing would make no difference in this case - you could put them every 10 meters and people would still not use them! notalocalman

4:58pm Tue 28 Feb 12

Andycal 172D says...

I know I will pick up a lot of grief for this but:
Why wasn't a six year old holding his mother's hand whilst crossing the road? and
Why was he crossing the road so far from either crossing?

I know there was an unlicensed Polish Motorcyclist involved driving way too fast but how did the child end up in the middle of the road?
I know I will pick up a lot of grief for this but: Why wasn't a six year old holding his mother's hand whilst crossing the road? and Why was he crossing the road so far from either crossing? I know there was an unlicensed Polish Motorcyclist involved driving way too fast but how did the child end up in the middle of the road? Andycal 172D

5:22pm Tue 28 Feb 12

Keptquiettillnow says...

If the council will not put an extra crossing in, then the crossings already in place need to have the timing changed so once the button is pressed the traffic is stopped and pedestrians allowed to cross. Not waiting two or three minutes for a green man.
I would also add how awful it must be for Joe's parents living in Burdett Ave. Having seen the speed some car drivers drive along that narrow road is quite honestly shocking.
If the council will not put an extra crossing in, then the crossings already in place need to have the timing changed so once the button is pressed the traffic is stopped and pedestrians allowed to cross. Not waiting two or three minutes for a green man. I would also add how awful it must be for Joe's parents living in Burdett Ave. Having seen the speed some car drivers drive along that narrow road is quite honestly shocking. Keptquiettillnow

6:02pm Tue 28 Feb 12

Bosniavet says...

Andycal 172D wrote:
I know I will pick up a lot of grief for this but: Why wasn't a six year old holding his mother's hand whilst crossing the road? and Why was he crossing the road so far from either crossing? I know there was an unlicensed Polish Motorcyclist involved driving way too fast but how did the child end up in the middle of the road?
The lad was crossing the road with his mother who was also looking after his 4 year old sibling. The road was clear as the lights at both the Cricketers & Hamlet Court Road junctions appear to have been at red. Had Marek Kolton (who incidently was already under a suspended sentence, not fully imposed even after this conviction, for driving with no licence or insurance) not raced off from the lights at The Cricketers junction, reaching a reported 60 mph by the time he slammed into Joseph Ball, the family group would have crossed without incident. Yes, it can be argued, even by me, that they should have used one of the 2 crossing within both line of sight & very easy walking distance, but what's to say that Marek Kolton wouldn't have still collided with Joseph Ball, killing him in the process?
Please do not attempt to share blame for this tragedy(effectively manslaughter, which could have resulted in a Life sentence, not 4 years 8 months before time off for good behaviour, time spent on remand etc reduces it to somewhere close to 18 month) it was solely the fault of Marek Kolton.
[quote][p][bold]Andycal 172D[/bold] wrote: I know I will pick up a lot of grief for this but: Why wasn't a six year old holding his mother's hand whilst crossing the road? and Why was he crossing the road so far from either crossing? I know there was an unlicensed Polish Motorcyclist involved driving way too fast but how did the child end up in the middle of the road?[/p][/quote]The lad was crossing the road with his mother who was also looking after his 4 year old sibling. The road was clear as the lights at both the Cricketers & Hamlet Court Road junctions appear to have been at red. Had Marek Kolton (who incidently was already under a suspended sentence, not fully imposed even after this conviction, for driving with no licence or insurance) not raced off from the lights at The Cricketers junction, reaching a reported 60 mph by the time he slammed into Joseph Ball, the family group would have crossed without incident. Yes, it can be argued, even by me, that they should have used one of the 2 crossing within both line of sight & very easy walking distance, but what's to say that Marek Kolton wouldn't have still collided with Joseph Ball, killing him in the process? Please do not attempt to share blame for this tragedy(effectively manslaughter, which could have resulted in a Life sentence, not 4 years 8 months before time off for good behaviour, time spent on remand etc reduces it to somewhere close to 18 month) it was solely the fault of Marek Kolton. Bosniavet

6:13pm Tue 28 Feb 12

Keptquiettillnow says...

Another crossing there would slow traffic down and stop the ridiculas racing from one set of lights to the next.
Perhaps it was local knowledge of the area that allowed the motorbike rider to believe he could reach such a speed before having to slow down again at HCR.
Another crossing there would slow traffic down and stop the ridiculas racing from one set of lights to the next. Perhaps it was local knowledge of the area that allowed the motorbike rider to believe he could reach such a speed before having to slow down again at HCR. Keptquiettillnow

6:48pm Tue 28 Feb 12

V_is_back says...

I am shocked that there are people more concerned that a new crossing will slow traffic flow than they are about the safety of pedestrians.
I am shocked that there are people more concerned that a new crossing will slow traffic flow than they are about the safety of pedestrians. V_is_back

8:47pm Tue 28 Feb 12

southendreb says...

What has not been said that he wore no helmet and was well over the speed limit to escape he nearly collided with my friend as he was on the wrong side of the road. We are all told to use the democratic path. they are entitled to an automatic automatic debate.
What has not been said that he wore no helmet and was well over the speed limit to escape he nearly collided with my friend as he was on the wrong side of the road. We are all told to use the democratic path. they are entitled to an automatic automatic debate. southendreb

10:37pm Tue 28 Feb 12

perini says...

V_is_back wrote:
I am shocked that there are people more concerned that a new crossing will slow traffic flow than they are about the safety of pedestrians.
Pedestrians are safe on the pavement - lets not lose perspective here - the hundreds (thousands) of signatures collected was a knee jerk reaction - there were reports of people being co-erced into signing the petition. There are already 2 crossings within line of sight - stop being lazy and walk to one. It was a tragic accident due to an unlicensed driver speeding - ask yourself this: would a few lines on the road have made any difference? I don't think so.
[quote][p][bold]V_is_back[/bold] wrote: I am shocked that there are people more concerned that a new crossing will slow traffic flow than they are about the safety of pedestrians.[/p][/quote]Pedestrians are safe on the pavement - lets not lose perspective here - the hundreds (thousands) of signatures collected was a knee jerk reaction - there were reports of people being co-erced into signing the petition. There are already 2 crossings within line of sight - stop being lazy and walk to one. It was a tragic accident due to an unlicensed driver speeding - ask yourself this: would a few lines on the road have made any difference? I don't think so. perini

11:23pm Tue 28 Feb 12

V_is_back says...

perini wrote:
V_is_back wrote:
I am shocked that there are people more concerned that a new crossing will slow traffic flow than they are about the safety of pedestrians.
Pedestrians are safe on the pavement - lets not lose perspective here - the hundreds (thousands) of signatures collected was a knee jerk reaction - there were reports of people being co-erced into signing the petition. There are already 2 crossings within line of sight - stop being lazy and walk to one. It was a tragic accident due to an unlicensed driver speeding - ask yourself this: would a few lines on the road have made any difference? I don't think so.
Pedestrians should also be safe crossing the road. Perhaps you don't share that view and would prefer traffic not be slowed for pedestrians.
[quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]V_is_back[/bold] wrote: I am shocked that there are people more concerned that a new crossing will slow traffic flow than they are about the safety of pedestrians.[/p][/quote]Pedestrians are safe on the pavement - lets not lose perspective here - the hundreds (thousands) of signatures collected was a knee jerk reaction - there were reports of people being co-erced into signing the petition. There are already 2 crossings within line of sight - stop being lazy and walk to one. It was a tragic accident due to an unlicensed driver speeding - ask yourself this: would a few lines on the road have made any difference? I don't think so.[/p][/quote]Pedestrians should also be safe crossing the road. Perhaps you don't share that view and would prefer traffic not be slowed for pedestrians. V_is_back

1:13am Wed 29 Feb 12

Andycal 172D says...

Bosniavet wrote:
Andycal 172D wrote:
I know I will pick up a lot of grief for this but: Why wasn't a six year old holding his mother's hand whilst crossing the road? and Why was he crossing the road so far from either crossing? I know there was an unlicensed Polish Motorcyclist involved driving way too fast but how did the child end up in the middle of the road?
The lad was crossing the road with his mother who was also looking after his 4 year old sibling. The road was clear as the lights at both the Cricketers & Hamlet Court Road junctions appear to have been at red. Had Marek Kolton (who incidently was already under a suspended sentence, not fully imposed even after this conviction, for driving with no licence or insurance) not raced off from the lights at The Cricketers junction, reaching a reported 60 mph by the time he slammed into Joseph Ball, the family group would have crossed without incident. Yes, it can be argued, even by me, that they should have used one of the 2 crossing within both line of sight & very easy walking distance, but what's to say that Marek Kolton wouldn't have still collided with Joseph Ball, killing him in the process?
Please do not attempt to share blame for this tragedy(effectively manslaughter, which could have resulted in a Life sentence, not 4 years 8 months before time off for good behaviour, time spent on remand etc reduces it to somewhere close to 18 month) it was solely the fault of Marek Kolton.
Sorry, I'm not trying to detract from the motorcyclist's fault in this incident - I thought I had made this clear.

However, a child aged six ended up in the middle of the London Road on his own. How?

Obviously he wasn't with the rest of the family or they would all have been hit.

So, how did a six year old end up in the middle of the road ?
[quote][p][bold]Bosniavet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andycal 172D[/bold] wrote: I know I will pick up a lot of grief for this but: Why wasn't a six year old holding his mother's hand whilst crossing the road? and Why was he crossing the road so far from either crossing? I know there was an unlicensed Polish Motorcyclist involved driving way too fast but how did the child end up in the middle of the road?[/p][/quote]The lad was crossing the road with his mother who was also looking after his 4 year old sibling. The road was clear as the lights at both the Cricketers & Hamlet Court Road junctions appear to have been at red. Had Marek Kolton (who incidently was already under a suspended sentence, not fully imposed even after this conviction, for driving with no licence or insurance) not raced off from the lights at The Cricketers junction, reaching a reported 60 mph by the time he slammed into Joseph Ball, the family group would have crossed without incident. Yes, it can be argued, even by me, that they should have used one of the 2 crossing within both line of sight & very easy walking distance, but what's to say that Marek Kolton wouldn't have still collided with Joseph Ball, killing him in the process? Please do not attempt to share blame for this tragedy(effectively manslaughter, which could have resulted in a Life sentence, not 4 years 8 months before time off for good behaviour, time spent on remand etc reduces it to somewhere close to 18 month) it was solely the fault of Marek Kolton.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I'm not trying to detract from the motorcyclist's fault in this incident - I thought I had made this clear. However, a child aged six ended up in the middle of the London Road on his own. How? Obviously he wasn't with the rest of the family or they would all have been hit. So, how did a six year old end up in the middle of the road ? Andycal 172D

1:57am Wed 29 Feb 12

Illinois10 says...

That stretch of road is straight, you can clearly see from just past the cricketers pub one way to nearly hamlet court road lights the other. I have walked both sides of the road many times and been able to see cars, buses, lorries and many other vehicles. Also on the odd occasion a car feels the need to speed for a short bit, I have been able to hear it. What I'm confused about is, how was a motorbike going 60mph (ish) not heard or even seen?? Unless it was an electric one or the Ball family are unfortunately deaf, either of which aren't the case. Its not the Childs fault, the main responsibility must go on Mareks shoulders, but surely people who cross the road not at crossings, run the risk of getting injured or worse. Just the other day i was at Asda halfway across one of the zebra crossings and a car went straight through almost hitting me, i knocked the boot of his car only to get told, " I'll make sure i f-ing run you over next time, dont hit my car". So it seems even with crossings in place, some drivers will always think they've got right of way.

What do people want the council to do? Put in another crossing? How much will it cost, maintain, not forgetting the week or so it'll take to put in. But when those people who are demanding this crossing are driving along and have to stop again, while the light on stays green for a few seconds between 8:30 for an hour and again at 15:00 for an hour, and are in a rush will they thank SBC for the crossing as well as the other 3 in less than half a mile.....i doubt it.
That stretch of road is straight, you can clearly see from just past the cricketers pub one way to nearly hamlet court road lights the other. I have walked both sides of the road many times and been able to see cars, buses, lorries and many other vehicles. Also on the odd occasion a car feels the need to speed for a short bit, I have been able to hear it. What I'm confused about is, how was a motorbike going 60mph (ish) not heard or even seen?? Unless it was an electric one or the Ball family are unfortunately deaf, either of which aren't the case. Its not the Childs fault, the main responsibility must go on Mareks shoulders, but surely people who cross the road not at crossings, run the risk of getting injured or worse. Just the other day i was at Asda halfway across one of the zebra crossings and a car went straight through almost hitting me, i knocked the boot of his car only to get told, " I'll make sure i f-ing run you over next time, dont hit my car". So it seems even with crossings in place, some drivers will always think they've got right of way. What do people want the council to do? Put in another crossing? How much will it cost, maintain, not forgetting the week or so it'll take to put in. But when those people who are demanding this crossing are driving along and have to stop again, while the light on stays green for a few seconds between 8:30 for an hour and again at 15:00 for an hour, and are in a rush will they thank SBC for the crossing as well as the other 3 in less than half a mile.....i doubt it. Illinois10

6:17am Wed 29 Feb 12

Keptquiettillnow says...

perini wrote:
V_is_back wrote:
I am shocked that there are people more concerned that a new crossing will slow traffic flow than they are about the safety of pedestrians.
Pedestrians are safe on the pavement - lets not lose perspective here - the hundreds (thousands) of signatures collected was a knee jerk reaction - there were reports of people being co-erced into signing the petition. There are already 2 crossings within line of sight - stop being lazy and walk to one. It was a tragic accident due to an unlicensed driver speeding - ask yourself this: would a few lines on the road have made any difference? I don't think so.
If you dont want an extra crossin then change the timing on those crossings, HCR and Cricketers, to give priority to pedestrians.
Stop being so selfish and victim blaming.
[quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]V_is_back[/bold] wrote: I am shocked that there are people more concerned that a new crossing will slow traffic flow than they are about the safety of pedestrians.[/p][/quote]Pedestrians are safe on the pavement - lets not lose perspective here - the hundreds (thousands) of signatures collected was a knee jerk reaction - there were reports of people being co-erced into signing the petition. There are already 2 crossings within line of sight - stop being lazy and walk to one. It was a tragic accident due to an unlicensed driver speeding - ask yourself this: would a few lines on the road have made any difference? I don't think so.[/p][/quote]If you dont want an extra crossin then change the timing on those crossings, HCR and Cricketers, to give priority to pedestrians. Stop being so selfish and victim blaming. Keptquiettillnow

6:42am Wed 29 Feb 12

Illinois10 says...

Keptquiettillnow wrote:
perini wrote:
V_is_back wrote:
I am shocked that there are people more concerned that a new crossing will slow traffic flow than they are about the safety of pedestrians.
Pedestrians are safe on the pavement - lets not lose perspective here - the hundreds (thousands) of signatures collected was a knee jerk reaction - there were reports of people being co-erced into signing the petition. There are already 2 crossings within line of sight - stop being lazy and walk to one. It was a tragic accident due to an unlicensed driver speeding - ask yourself this: would a few lines on the road have made any difference? I don't think so.
If you dont want an extra crossin then change the timing on those crossings, HCR and Cricketers, to give priority to pedestrians.
Stop being so selfish and victim blaming.
The HCR lights give people enough time to cross 2 sides whereas the cricketers is barely enough for 1. I agree with you that the timing needs to be extended, older people struggle to get out of the road before vehicles start moving away.
[quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]V_is_back[/bold] wrote: I am shocked that there are people more concerned that a new crossing will slow traffic flow than they are about the safety of pedestrians.[/p][/quote]Pedestrians are safe on the pavement - lets not lose perspective here - the hundreds (thousands) of signatures collected was a knee jerk reaction - there were reports of people being co-erced into signing the petition. There are already 2 crossings within line of sight - stop being lazy and walk to one. It was a tragic accident due to an unlicensed driver speeding - ask yourself this: would a few lines on the road have made any difference? I don't think so.[/p][/quote]If you dont want an extra crossin then change the timing on those crossings, HCR and Cricketers, to give priority to pedestrians. Stop being so selfish and victim blaming.[/p][/quote]The HCR lights give people enough time to cross 2 sides whereas the cricketers is barely enough for 1. I agree with you that the timing needs to be extended, older people struggle to get out of the road before vehicles start moving away. Illinois10

12:18pm Wed 29 Feb 12

Roy_Baty says...

We've got crossing priorities the wrong way round. The lights should be red by default and drivers should have to press a button to get a green light so they can pass.
We've got crossing priorities the wrong way round. The lights should be red by default and drivers should have to press a button to get a green light so they can pass. Roy_Baty

3:15pm Wed 29 Feb 12

Keptquiettillnow says...

Illinois10 wrote:
Keptquiettillnow wrote:
perini wrote:
V_is_back wrote:
I am shocked that there are people more concerned that a new crossing will slow traffic flow than they are about the safety of pedestrians.
Pedestrians are safe on the pavement - lets not lose perspective here - the hundreds (thousands) of signatures collected was a knee jerk reaction - there were reports of people being co-erced into signing the petition. There are already 2 crossings within line of sight - stop being lazy and walk to one. It was a tragic accident due to an unlicensed driver speeding - ask yourself this: would a few lines on the road have made any difference? I don't think so.
If you dont want an extra crossin then change the timing on those crossings, HCR and Cricketers, to give priority to pedestrians.
Stop being so selfish and victim blaming.
The HCR lights give people enough time to cross 2 sides whereas the cricketers is barely enough for 1. I agree with you that the timing needs to be extended, older people struggle to get out of the road before vehicles start moving away.
No, thats not what I said or meant. Change the timing on those crossing so pedestrians are given priority. Press the button and the traffic stops.
[quote][p][bold]Illinois10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]V_is_back[/bold] wrote: I am shocked that there are people more concerned that a new crossing will slow traffic flow than they are about the safety of pedestrians.[/p][/quote]Pedestrians are safe on the pavement - lets not lose perspective here - the hundreds (thousands) of signatures collected was a knee jerk reaction - there were reports of people being co-erced into signing the petition. There are already 2 crossings within line of sight - stop being lazy and walk to one. It was a tragic accident due to an unlicensed driver speeding - ask yourself this: would a few lines on the road have made any difference? I don't think so.[/p][/quote]If you dont want an extra crossin then change the timing on those crossings, HCR and Cricketers, to give priority to pedestrians. Stop being so selfish and victim blaming.[/p][/quote]The HCR lights give people enough time to cross 2 sides whereas the cricketers is barely enough for 1. I agree with you that the timing needs to be extended, older people struggle to get out of the road before vehicles start moving away.[/p][/quote]No, thats not what I said or meant. Change the timing on those crossing so pedestrians are given priority. Press the button and the traffic stops. Keptquiettillnow

4:21pm Wed 29 Feb 12

Andycal 172D says...

Illinois10 wrote:
That stretch of road is straight, you can clearly see from just past the cricketers pub one way to nearly hamlet court road lights the other. I have walked both sides of the road many times and been able to see cars, buses, lorries and many other vehicles. Also on the odd occasion a car feels the need to speed for a short bit, I have been able to hear it. What I'm confused about is, how was a motorbike going 60mph (ish) not heard or even seen?? Unless it was an electric one or the Ball family are unfortunately deaf, either of which aren't the case. Its not the Childs fault, the main responsibility must go on Mareks shoulders, but surely people who cross the road not at crossings, run the risk of getting injured or worse. Just the other day i was at Asda halfway across one of the zebra crossings and a car went straight through almost hitting me, i knocked the boot of his car only to get told, " I'll make sure i f-ing run you over next time, dont hit my car". So it seems even with crossings in place, some drivers will always think they've got right of way.

What do people want the council to do? Put in another crossing? How much will it cost, maintain, not forgetting the week or so it'll take to put in. But when those people who are demanding this crossing are driving along and have to stop again, while the light on stays green for a few seconds between 8:30 for an hour and again at 15:00 for an hour, and are in a rush will they thank SBC for the crossing as well as the other 3 in less than half a mile.....i doubt it.
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]Illinois10[/bold] wrote: That stretch of road is straight, you can clearly see from just past the cricketers pub one way to nearly hamlet court road lights the other. I have walked both sides of the road many times and been able to see cars, buses, lorries and many other vehicles. Also on the odd occasion a car feels the need to speed for a short bit, I have been able to hear it. What I'm confused about is, how was a motorbike going 60mph (ish) not heard or even seen?? Unless it was an electric one or the Ball family are unfortunately deaf, either of which aren't the case. Its not the Childs fault, the main responsibility must go on Mareks shoulders, but surely people who cross the road not at crossings, run the risk of getting injured or worse. Just the other day i was at Asda halfway across one of the zebra crossings and a car went straight through almost hitting me, i knocked the boot of his car only to get told, " I'll make sure i f-ing run you over next time, dont hit my car". So it seems even with crossings in place, some drivers will always think they've got right of way. What do people want the council to do? Put in another crossing? How much will it cost, maintain, not forgetting the week or so it'll take to put in. But when those people who are demanding this crossing are driving along and have to stop again, while the light on stays green for a few seconds between 8:30 for an hour and again at 15:00 for an hour, and are in a rush will they thank SBC for the crossing as well as the other 3 in less than half a mile.....i doubt it.[/p][/quote]Well said! Andycal 172D

5:54pm Wed 29 Feb 12

Roy_Baty says...

Illinois10 wrote:
That stretch of road is straight, you can clearly see from just past the cricketers pub one way to nearly hamlet court road lights the other. I have walked both sides of the road many times and been able to see cars, buses, lorries and many other vehicles. Also on the odd occasion a car feels the need to speed for a short bit, I have been able to hear it. What I'm confused about is, how was a motorbike going 60mph (ish) not heard or even seen?? Unless it was an electric one or the Ball family are unfortunately deaf, either of which aren't the case. Its not the Childs fault, the main responsibility must go on Mareks shoulders, but surely people who cross the road not at crossings, run the risk of getting injured or worse. Just the other day i was at Asda halfway across one of the zebra crossings and a car went straight through almost hitting me, i knocked the boot of his car only to get told, " I'll make sure i f-ing run you over next time, dont hit my car". So it seems even with crossings in place, some drivers will always think they've got right of way.

What do people want the council to do? Put in another crossing? How much will it cost, maintain, not forgetting the week or so it'll take to put in. But when those people who are demanding this crossing are driving along and have to stop again, while the light on stays green for a few seconds between 8:30 for an hour and again at 15:00 for an hour, and are in a rush will they thank SBC for the crossing as well as the other 3 in less than half a mile.....i doubt it.
I drive along there a lot. I don't mind stopping for pedestrians to cross. A minute or so added to my journey is not world ending.

I am 100% in favour of an additional pedestrian crossing at this point.
[quote][p][bold]Illinois10[/bold] wrote: That stretch of road is straight, you can clearly see from just past the cricketers pub one way to nearly hamlet court road lights the other. I have walked both sides of the road many times and been able to see cars, buses, lorries and many other vehicles. Also on the odd occasion a car feels the need to speed for a short bit, I have been able to hear it. What I'm confused about is, how was a motorbike going 60mph (ish) not heard or even seen?? Unless it was an electric one or the Ball family are unfortunately deaf, either of which aren't the case. Its not the Childs fault, the main responsibility must go on Mareks shoulders, but surely people who cross the road not at crossings, run the risk of getting injured or worse. Just the other day i was at Asda halfway across one of the zebra crossings and a car went straight through almost hitting me, i knocked the boot of his car only to get told, " I'll make sure i f-ing run you over next time, dont hit my car". So it seems even with crossings in place, some drivers will always think they've got right of way. What do people want the council to do? Put in another crossing? How much will it cost, maintain, not forgetting the week or so it'll take to put in. But when those people who are demanding this crossing are driving along and have to stop again, while the light on stays green for a few seconds between 8:30 for an hour and again at 15:00 for an hour, and are in a rush will they thank SBC for the crossing as well as the other 3 in less than half a mile.....i doubt it.[/p][/quote]I drive along there a lot. I don't mind stopping for pedestrians to cross. A minute or so added to my journey is not world ending. I am 100% in favour of an additional pedestrian crossing at this point. Roy_Baty

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