Giant Sadlers Farm road sign is ruining our area

2:00pm Thursday 12th July 2012 in News By Melissa Hills

Monstrosity – Robbie Robertson points out the sign Monstrosity – Robbie Robertson points out the sign

WITH all the roadworks affecting south Essex you could say this is just a sign of the times.

But try telling that to people living in Benfleet who now have to put up with the mother of all road signs.

The huge sign, which rises above houses in Oak Walk and neighbouring roads, tells people on the newly-renovated A13 which lanes to get in for Chelmsford and Canvey.

Robbie Robertson, 75, of Oak Walk, said: “I went to look at the plans for the roadworks before they started and nowhere was there any indication this huge sign would be at the end of my garden. It’s a total monstrosity and I would have complained about it if it had been on there, but it just came from nowhere overnight a couple of weeks ago.

“It is massive and the lights from the cars reflect off the sign, right into my house. Its ridiculous.”

Mr Roberston, who has lived at the house since 1985, claimed the price of his home would also decrease because of the sign, but Rob Butterworth, who manages Fisks estate agents, at Tarpots, in Benfleet, said the A13 in general would be the problem when selling the house.

He added: “People are very particular about where they buy homes and nobody will buy a house near a main road unless they are happy with it.

“I don’t think the sign is going to have any effect on house prices, but overall I think when the roadworks are over it may bring more people to Benfleet.

“The market is good at the moment and we are actively looking for properties like bungalows because they are in demand.

“It would be hard to sell a house near the A13 anyway because of its location. It will only attract particular buyers.”

Derrick Louis, county councillor responsible for highways and transportation, said: “I sympathise with the concerns raised over the position of the sign.

“Drawings showing the positions of these gantry signs were included as part of the original planning consent for Sadlers Farm.

“These drawings were made available for the public to view during the consultation period in 2007.

“If residents have concerns about these signs I would ask them to contact us directly and we would be happy to look into it further.”

Comments (46)

2:12pm Thu 12 Jul 12

Chris Flunk says...

That does look awful, it's blocking their view of that lovely electricity pylon.
That does look awful, it's blocking their view of that lovely electricity pylon. Chris Flunk

2:13pm Thu 12 Jul 12

SJJBEC01 says...

people will moan at anything and is it really worth getting upset about when there is more upsetting things
people will moan at anything and is it really worth getting upset about when there is more upsetting things SJJBEC01

2:14pm Thu 12 Jul 12

BenfleetBarrel says...

I say the brown cover on that tatty old boat plus people clearly parking on the pavements are ruining the area.
I say the brown cover on that tatty old boat plus people clearly parking on the pavements are ruining the area. BenfleetBarrel

2:15pm Thu 12 Jul 12

The Cater Wood Creeper says...

Mr Roberston, who has lived at the house since 1985, claimed the price of his home would also decrease because of the sign
is he thinking of selling his house then?
[quote]Mr Roberston, who has lived at the house since 1985, claimed the price of his home would also decrease because of the sign[/quote]is he thinking of selling his house then? The Cater Wood Creeper

3:01pm Thu 12 Jul 12

RogerChasewood says...

must be terrible, poor bloke has lost the view of the pylon!!
must be terrible, poor bloke has lost the view of the pylon!! RogerChasewood

3:05pm Thu 12 Jul 12

Blind Haze says...

'Mr Roberston, who has lived at the house since 1985, claimed the price of his home would also decrease because of the sign'

and Robertson's quote

'I don’t think the sign is going to have any effect on house prices'

Slight discrepancy?
'Mr Roberston, who has lived at the house since 1985, claimed the price of his home would also decrease because of the sign' and Robertson's quote 'I don’t think the sign is going to have any effect on house prices' Slight discrepancy? Blind Haze

3:07pm Thu 12 Jul 12

livvysmummy08 says...

come on people, there are worse problems than this, stop complaining!
come on people, there are worse problems than this, stop complaining! livvysmummy08

3:11pm Thu 12 Jul 12

GentleGiant says...

Since when is this sign at the end of his garden? It is a long way away.
Since when is this sign at the end of his garden? It is a long way away. GentleGiant

3:22pm Thu 12 Jul 12

little ray of sunshine says...

Good grief is he for real? Find something worthwhile to moan about its just a sign. If this gets you in the paper then can I just point out someone has parked a big van outside my house, it's blocking my view of a lamppost and I'm not happy about it!!
Good grief is he for real? Find something worthwhile to moan about its just a sign. If this gets you in the paper then can I just point out someone has parked a big van outside my house, it's blocking my view of a lamppost and I'm not happy about it!! little ray of sunshine

3:29pm Thu 12 Jul 12

SARFENDMAN says...

Think the pylon backed by a large street sign looks very tasteful from half a mile away looking 90 degrees to the left. Blends in beautifully and sure a possible Turner Prize contender.
Think the pylon backed by a large street sign looks very tasteful from half a mile away looking 90 degrees to the left. Blends in beautifully and sure a possible Turner Prize contender. SARFENDMAN

3:33pm Thu 12 Jul 12

richcarol says...

What a moaney old man. Haven't you got a back garden to sit in as it looks so untidy people sitting out the front door, its something Norris Cole from Corrie would do. I like the sign, I think its lovely and the electric pylon and that scabby boat, so stop moaning Robbie and just enjoy the latter years of life. Think and pity the people who live in Vange and they are not moaning and Vange looks like a ghetto come shanty town. The Sign will grow on you I promise !
What a moaney old man. Haven't you got a back garden to sit in as it looks so untidy people sitting out the front door, its something Norris Cole from Corrie would do. I like the sign, I think its lovely and the electric pylon and that scabby boat, so stop moaning Robbie and just enjoy the latter years of life. Think and pity the people who live in Vange and they are not moaning and Vange looks like a ghetto come shanty town. The Sign will grow on you I promise ! richcarol

3:35pm Thu 12 Jul 12

News Bunny says...

I like the caption to the photo. He'll be complaining about being called a 'monstrosity' next.
I like the caption to the photo. He'll be complaining about being called a 'monstrosity' next. News Bunny

3:37pm Thu 12 Jul 12

waveydavey says...

Absolutely pathetic! Get off your beardie arse and complain about something useful mister, if you must complain at all.
Absolutely pathetic! Get off your beardie arse and complain about something useful mister, if you must complain at all. waveydavey

3:46pm Thu 12 Jul 12

j-w says...

Blind Haze wrote:
'Mr Roberston, who has lived at the house since 1985, claimed the price of his home would also decrease because of the sign'

and Robertson's quote

'I don’t think the sign is going to have any effect on house prices'

Slight discrepancy?
only between your version of the story and mine!

Mr Roberston, who has lived at the house since 1985, claimed the price of his home would also decrease because of the sign, but Rob Butterworth, who manages Fisks estate agents, at Tarpots, in Benfleet, said the A13 in general would be the problem when selling the house.
[quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: 'Mr Roberston, who has lived at the house since 1985, claimed the price of his home would also decrease because of the sign' and Robertson's quote 'I don’t think the sign is going to have any effect on house prices' Slight discrepancy?[/p][/quote]only between your version of the story and mine! [quote]Mr Roberston, who has lived at the house since 1985, claimed the price of his home would also decrease because of the sign, but Rob Butterworth, who manages Fisks estate agents, at Tarpots, in Benfleet, said the A13 in general would be the problem when selling the house. [/quote] j-w

3:47pm Thu 12 Jul 12

j-w says...

Blind Haze wrote:
'Mr Roberston, who has lived at the house since 1985, claimed the price of his home would also decrease because of the sign'

and Robertson's quote

'I don’t think the sign is going to have any effect on house prices'

Slight discrepancy?
sorry missed this bit Blind haze, a follow on from Rob at Fisks quote

“I don’t think the sign is going to have any effect on house prices, but overall I think when the roadworks are over it may bring more people to Benfleet.
[quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: 'Mr Roberston, who has lived at the house since 1985, claimed the price of his home would also decrease because of the sign' and Robertson's quote 'I don’t think the sign is going to have any effect on house prices' Slight discrepancy?[/p][/quote]sorry missed this bit Blind haze, a follow on from Rob at Fisks quote [quote]“I don’t think the sign is going to have any effect on house prices, but overall I think when the roadworks are over it may bring more people to Benfleet. [/quote] j-w

5:21pm Thu 12 Jul 12

wickford-warrior says...

I do hope his not going to put up one of those monstrosity FOR SALE signs up !!!!
I do hope his not going to put up one of those monstrosity FOR SALE signs up !!!! wickford-warrior

6:13pm Thu 12 Jul 12

Fallguy9999 says...

His street looks like its council anyway so the sign should be in keeping with the area
His street looks like its council anyway so the sign should be in keeping with the area Fallguy9999

6:36pm Thu 12 Jul 12

John T Pharro says...

GentleGiant wrote:
Since when is this sign at the end of his garden? It is a long way away.
Spot on. It looks like the end of his garden includes the houses and road opposite.
Spot on as well all the other comments about cars on pavements, blocked lamp posts views etc.
It really must be a flat news day!!
[quote][p][bold]GentleGiant[/bold] wrote: Since when is this sign at the end of his garden? It is a long way away.[/p][/quote]Spot on. It looks like the end of his garden includes the houses and road opposite. Spot on as well all the other comments about cars on pavements, blocked lamp posts views etc. It really must be a flat news day!! John T Pharro

6:47pm Thu 12 Jul 12

BeetleBug says...

Fallguy9999 says...
6:13pm Thu 12 Jul 12

"His street looks like its council anyway so the sign should be in keeping with the area”

I live just around the corner and it is not council.. How dare you make accusations.. I would like to see where you live?
Fallguy9999 says... 6:13pm Thu 12 Jul 12 "His street looks like its council anyway so the sign should be in keeping with the area” I live just around the corner and it is not council.. How dare you make accusations.. I would like to see where you live? BeetleBug

7:07pm Thu 12 Jul 12

firedog says...

What a bearded pudding.
What a bearded pudding. firedog

7:09pm Thu 12 Jul 12

southendshrimper says...

1) slowwwwwwwwwwww news day again

2) another person who runs to the echo for a worthless story

3) I bet he wont complain about the illegally parked car (on the footpath)
1) slowwwwwwwwwwww news day again 2) another person who runs to the echo for a worthless story 3) I bet he wont complain about the illegally parked car (on the footpath) southendshrimper

7:30pm Thu 12 Jul 12

girlie71 says...

maybe he needs missiles on his roof to complete his moaning lol
maybe he needs missiles on his roof to complete his moaning lol girlie71

7:53pm Thu 12 Jul 12

Muse2011 says...

Meanwhile in Syria...
Meanwhile in Syria... Muse2011

8:21pm Thu 12 Jul 12

Last Poster says...

Council house derogation? God what a world we live in now. Everyone hates everything and everybody. No wonder we are all doooomed! Mr. Mainwaring!

However, people who bought houses in Basildon that overlooked Gloucester park, are now being overlooked by the new, higher blocks of flats that our council thought more aesthetic than parkland, so what price those poor people's property now?

And, while I am on a carp, what about those super rich who bought multi-acre mansions at places like Henley-on-Thames, whilst we all suffered in our scrawny council houses because they nicked our earnings. It appears, because they are now a flood risk, we are going to have to subsidise their insurance policies because theirs are going to be too highly priced. Welcome back to right-wing England.

Oh, and as for that road sign. If it is made of aluminium, I know a group of people who will remove it for him no trouble!
Council house derogation? God what a world we live in now. Everyone hates everything and everybody. No wonder we are all doooomed! Mr. Mainwaring! However, people who bought houses in Basildon that overlooked Gloucester park, are now being overlooked by the new, higher blocks of flats that our council thought more aesthetic than parkland, so what price those poor people's property now? And, while I am on a carp, what about those super rich who bought multi-acre mansions at places like Henley-on-Thames, whilst we all suffered in our scrawny council houses because they nicked our earnings. It appears, because they are now a flood risk, we are going to have to subsidise their insurance policies because theirs are going to be too highly priced. Welcome back to right-wing England. Oh, and as for that road sign. If it is made of aluminium, I know a group of people who will remove it for him no trouble! Last Poster

8:57pm Thu 12 Jul 12

maddriver says...

I generally tend to side with locals who have a monstrous edifice foisted on them, but in this case the sign in question seems to be a long way away and can hardly be described as spoiling the view. People who live in the houses in the background may have a gripe, but I would think that living that close to a busy main road would be more of a problem than a sign, however big.
Seems that this is a good opportunity for an ancient local to have a moan about nothing important.
I generally tend to side with locals who have a monstrous edifice foisted on them, but in this case the sign in question seems to be a long way away and can hardly be described as spoiling the view. People who live in the houses in the background may have a gripe, but I would think that living that close to a busy main road would be more of a problem than a sign, however big. Seems that this is a good opportunity for an ancient local to have a moan about nothing important. maddriver

9:25pm Thu 12 Jul 12

Andycal 172D says...

First, why is this news?

Second, if that's all he has to moan about - good luck!
First, why is this news? Second, if that's all he has to moan about - good luck! Andycal 172D

9:36pm Thu 12 Jul 12

SARFENDMAN says...

If it's made of metal it wont be there for long.
If it's made of metal it wont be there for long. SARFENDMAN

12:17am Fri 13 Jul 12

drofmor1 says...

little ray of sunshine wrote:
Good grief is he for real? Find something worthwhile to moan about its just a sign. If this gets you in the paper then can I just point out someone has parked a big van outside my house, it's blocking my view of a lamppost and I'm not happy about it!!
Your comment made me laugh Little Ray of Sunshine. Only hope the Echo reporters are not reading this column or you may just well be tomorrows headline story. Can you pull a glum face? Are you also able to point to the said lamppost as us readers cannot work out for ourselves what things being referred to look like without someone pointing to them.
[quote][p][bold]little ray of sunshine[/bold] wrote: Good grief is he for real? Find something worthwhile to moan about its just a sign. If this gets you in the paper then can I just point out someone has parked a big van outside my house, it's blocking my view of a lamppost and I'm not happy about it!![/p][/quote]Your comment made me laugh Little Ray of Sunshine. Only hope the Echo reporters are not reading this column or you may just well be tomorrows headline story. Can you pull a glum face? Are you also able to point to the said lamppost as us readers cannot work out for ourselves what things being referred to look like without someone pointing to them. drofmor1

8:13am Fri 13 Jul 12

Dr Sloan says...

Chris Flunk wrote:
That does look awful, it's blocking their view of that lovely electricity pylon.
Haaaa-haaaa, too true! thanks for making me laugh, just as I sit down for my desk for the working dayzzz
[quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: That does look awful, it's blocking their view of that lovely electricity pylon.[/p][/quote]Haaaa-haaaa, too true! thanks for making me laugh, just as I sit down for my desk for the working dayzzz Dr Sloan

8:45am Fri 13 Jul 12

PJR-121 says...

They've installed a mobile phone mast near my house, it's massive, and you can't help but notice it when walking up the driveway.

It's a hell of a lot closer to the house than this sign is to this guy's property, but you know what, I hardly notice it now. Maybe I should run to the paper.

This is published because the Echo hasn't been able to run a story bashing Sadlers Farm for the last couple of weeks. They are clinging to anything, and Mr Robertson running to the paper about a sign that JUST peaks over the roof of an adjacent property (which apparently is in his garden then, does he own the street?) gives them the chance.

Get over it, stop moaning about it, and concentrate on getting that tatty boat out of your 'garden' if you want the area to look better.
They've installed a mobile phone mast near my house, it's massive, and you can't help but notice it when walking up the driveway. It's a hell of a lot closer to the house than this sign is to this guy's property, but you know what, I hardly notice it now. Maybe I should run to the paper. This is published because the Echo hasn't been able to run a story bashing Sadlers Farm for the last couple of weeks. They are clinging to anything, and Mr Robertson running to the paper about a sign that JUST peaks over the roof of an adjacent property (which apparently is in his garden then, does he own the street?) gives them the chance. Get over it, stop moaning about it, and concentrate on getting that tatty boat out of your 'garden' if you want the area to look better. PJR-121

10:25am Fri 13 Jul 12

streetboy75 says...

Chris Flunk wrote:
That does look awful, it's blocking their view of that lovely electricity pylon.
haha how funny
[quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: That does look awful, it's blocking their view of that lovely electricity pylon.[/p][/quote]haha how funny streetboy75

10:27am Fri 13 Jul 12

streetboy75 says...

get over it, its just a road sign, looks better then the pylon in the bacround, god you must have nothing else to do, but then they say once you get old all you do is mean , lol
get over it, its just a road sign, looks better then the pylon in the bacround, god you must have nothing else to do, but then they say once you get old all you do is mean , lol streetboy75

10:28am Fri 13 Jul 12

streetboy75 says...

get over it, its just a road sign, looks better then the pylon in the bacround, god you must have nothing else to do, but then they say once you get old all you do is moan , lol
get over it, its just a road sign, looks better then the pylon in the bacround, god you must have nothing else to do, but then they say once you get old all you do is moan , lol streetboy75

10:29am Fri 13 Jul 12

richcarol says...

The council never thought about this correctly. What they should have done was moved the sign 25 yards further, then captain birdseye could have seen the pylon and the sign without the obstruction. Maybe that old boat belongs to captain birdseye.
The council never thought about this correctly. What they should have done was moved the sign 25 yards further, then captain birdseye could have seen the pylon and the sign without the obstruction. Maybe that old boat belongs to captain birdseye. richcarol

11:28am Fri 13 Jul 12

timbojay says...

some people will moan at the slightest thing so sad, i would complain about the boat outside my house or the cars parked on the footpath. If i stand on one leg at the top of a step ladder i can see the traffic on the Rayleigh road perhaps i should complain to the council that i can't see the woods. !!!!!!!
some people will moan at the slightest thing so sad, i would complain about the boat outside my house or the cars parked on the footpath. If i stand on one leg at the top of a step ladder i can see the traffic on the Rayleigh road perhaps i should complain to the council that i can't see the woods. !!!!!!! timbojay

11:42am Fri 13 Jul 12

whataday says...

Headline only needed to be "Sadlers Farm is ruining our area." Whereas the long hold-ups at Sadlers used to be mainly at commuting times its now all the time - even at ten o' clock at night.
Everything that has been done there so far has had an adverse effect on the local population and most probably local businesses. It takes far longer to get anywhere now if you have to negotiate any roads to local areas around Sadlers be it Benfleet, Canvey, Vange, Basildon, Pitsea or Chelmsford. What a waste of money. They could have just built the underpass linking A130 to A13 and left the rest alone.
For the record there have been a lot of deviations from the original consultation as well which weren't announced anywhere until they were done.
Headline only needed to be "Sadlers Farm is ruining our area." Whereas the long hold-ups at Sadlers used to be mainly at commuting times its now all the time - even at ten o' clock at night. Everything that has been done there so far has had an adverse effect on the local population and most probably local businesses. It takes far longer to get anywhere now if you have to negotiate any roads to local areas around Sadlers be it Benfleet, Canvey, Vange, Basildon, Pitsea or Chelmsford. What a waste of money. They could have just built the underpass linking A130 to A13 and left the rest alone. For the record there have been a lot of deviations from the original consultation as well which weren't announced anywhere until they were done. whataday

12:29pm Fri 13 Jul 12

PJR-121 says...

whataday wrote:
Headline only needed to be "Sadlers Farm is ruining our area." Whereas the long hold-ups at Sadlers used to be mainly at commuting times its now all the time - even at ten o' clock at night. Everything that has been done there so far has had an adverse effect on the local population and most probably local businesses. It takes far longer to get anywhere now if you have to negotiate any roads to local areas around Sadlers be it Benfleet, Canvey, Vange, Basildon, Pitsea or Chelmsford. What a waste of money. They could have just built the underpass linking A130 to A13 and left the rest alone. For the record there have been a lot of deviations from the original consultation as well which weren't announced anywhere until they were done.
Deviations including the installations of giant signs that block views of pylons?
[quote][p][bold]whataday[/bold] wrote: Headline only needed to be "Sadlers Farm is ruining our area." Whereas the long hold-ups at Sadlers used to be mainly at commuting times its now all the time - even at ten o' clock at night. Everything that has been done there so far has had an adverse effect on the local population and most probably local businesses. It takes far longer to get anywhere now if you have to negotiate any roads to local areas around Sadlers be it Benfleet, Canvey, Vange, Basildon, Pitsea or Chelmsford. What a waste of money. They could have just built the underpass linking A130 to A13 and left the rest alone. For the record there have been a lot of deviations from the original consultation as well which weren't announced anywhere until they were done.[/p][/quote]Deviations including the installations of giant signs that block views of pylons? PJR-121

3:16pm Fri 13 Jul 12

sunshine07 says...

If only all our troubles were just about the odd sign in the air that we dont like .
If only all our troubles were just about the odd sign in the air that we dont like . sunshine07

4:19pm Fri 13 Jul 12

Last Poster says...

I think all these road works are in preparation for the new bridge they are going to build from Canvey to Kent and the M2. With the New Chelmsford link from the A130 to the M11, and the upgrading of the A14 to motorway, this will be the fastest link from the North to Ashford and the continent. I am not 100% sure they should have used that young lady who resigned from the "Let's have traffic lights on the magic roundabout. That always works!" project to oversee this latest idea of the bridge, though.

Just thinking what might happen next is all. :)
I think all these road works are in preparation for the new bridge they are going to build from Canvey to Kent and the M2. With the New Chelmsford link from the A130 to the M11, and the upgrading of the A14 to motorway, this will be the fastest link from the North to Ashford and the continent. I am not 100% sure they should have used that young lady who resigned from the "Let's have traffic lights on the magic roundabout. That always works!" project to oversee this latest idea of the bridge, though. Just thinking what might happen next is all. :) Last Poster

7:53pm Fri 13 Jul 12

BMNO6 says...

I would gess Mr Robinson is about 4 ft tall so that sign would look masive to a dwarf, he is leaning on a fence wich must be at least 3ft 6in high and his door number is way above his head, so I conclude he is a silly old bearded moaning Tory midget. PS (just a guess, get a life Tom Thumb)
I would gess Mr Robinson is about 4 ft tall so that sign would look masive to a dwarf, he is leaning on a fence wich must be at least 3ft 6in high and his door number is way above his head, so I conclude he is a silly old bearded moaning Tory midget. PS (just a guess, get a life Tom Thumb) BMNO6

11:14pm Fri 13 Jul 12

Brunning999 says...

Idiot!
Idiot! Brunning999

8:22pm Sat 14 Jul 12

debsydo1 says...

These comments have had me in fits. At least he doesnt have an excuse for getting lost on the new road.
These comments have had me in fits. At least he doesnt have an excuse for getting lost on the new road. debsydo1

7:10pm Sun 15 Jul 12

Fallguy9999 says...

John T Pharro wrote:
GentleGiant wrote:
Since when is this sign at the end of his garden? It is a long way away.
Spot on. It looks like the end of his garden includes the houses and road opposite.
Spot on as well all the other comments about cars on pavements, blocked lamp posts views etc.
It really must be a flat news day!!
I said it looks like its council.
Tatty, tasteless........ You get the idea!
With regards to how dare I make accusations.........
.. It was not an accusation, it was an observation (big difference).
With regards to the future how dare I make observation........ Well like this really!
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GentleGiant[/bold] wrote: Since when is this sign at the end of his garden? It is a long way away.[/p][/quote]Spot on. It looks like the end of his garden includes the houses and road opposite. Spot on as well all the other comments about cars on pavements, blocked lamp posts views etc. It really must be a flat news day!![/p][/quote]I said it looks like its council. Tatty, tasteless........ You get the idea! With regards to how dare I make accusations......... .. It was not an accusation, it was an observation (big difference). With regards to the future how dare I make observation........ Well like this really! Fallguy9999

10:07pm Sun 15 Jul 12

Cor Blimey says...

Maybe Santa is just worried his raindeer will clip their hoof's on the sign during take off and landing
Maybe Santa is just worried his raindeer will clip their hoof's on the sign during take off and landing Cor Blimey

7:12am Wed 18 Jul 12

Big paula says...

Whats more to the point is that the whole project is now going to stop!!! Simply so that some overblown visitors can ride some bikes round a field at Hadleigh.
Surely it would be more to the point to get the **** thing finished??
Whats more to the point is that the whole project is now going to stop!!! Simply so that some overblown visitors can ride some bikes round a field at Hadleigh. Surely it would be more to the point to get the **** thing finished?? Big paula

11:28am Wed 18 Jul 12

southend_Dave says...

Wow you can barely see it in the distance.

Must be awful for Uncle Albert, must have reminded of him of that time during the war when he got sunk by a German torpedo boat.....
Wow you can barely see it in the distance. Must be awful for Uncle Albert, must have reminded of him of that time during the war when he got sunk by a German torpedo boat..... southend_Dave

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