Animal welfare protest at circus (From Echo)

I have never visited a circus which uses animals and I never will.
I assume these people are not hypocritical and will protest if Pudsey the Dancing Dog comes to the area.

The animals seemed happy and well looked after the last time I visited a circus. It's probably a better deal than living in the wild.

Keeping animals in captivity and forcing them to 'perform' for the entertainment of the ignorant is vile.

DCLEIGH wrote:
I have never visited a circus which uses animals and I never will.
I assume these people are not hypocritical and will protest if Pudsey the Dancing Dog comes to the area.

I'm not sure you could call pudsey cruelly mistreated though! Or is he a victim for being humanely trained to do things and kept in more than reasonable living conditions? Must mean guide dogs, sniffer dogs and well behaved dogs are all victims too!

Personally I think people should be protesting over how bad the show is and how much of a rip off it is! The whole animal circus is pretty prehistoric now anyway, they should concentrate on teaching themselves some talent before they focus on the animals doing tricks! And the smell, oh god the smell.........

meldrew84 wrote:

DCLEIGH wrote:
I have never visited a circus which uses animals and I never will.
I assume these people are not hypocritical and will protest if Pudsey the Dancing Dog comes to the area.

I'm not sure you could call pudsey cruelly mistreated though! Or is he a victim for being humanely trained to do things and kept in more than reasonable living conditions? Must mean guide dogs, sniffer dogs and well behaved dogs are all victims too!

Personally I think people should be protesting over how bad the show is and how much of a rip off it is! The whole animal circus is pretty prehistoric now anyway, they should concentrate on teaching themselves some talent before they focus on the animals doing tricks! And the smell, oh god the smell.........

Is Pudsey kept in a trailer barely bigger than he is all the time he is not performing? Or is he a well-loved family pet who is taken for walks and runs?

Quote: "The circus uses tigers, llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, zebra, dogs and donkeys in its show."
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Llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, dogs and donkeys are/can be domesticated animals. They have been used and trained by man for hundreds/thousands of years.
Tigers and zebras not so much so but I am sure that if a tiger doesn't want to do something, it won't do it. Most animals, these days, are trained to trust their trainer rather than fear them and I am sure that all the animals are well loved by their trainers and their owners.

emcee wrote:
Quote: "The circus uses tigers, llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, zebra, dogs and donkeys in its show."
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Llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, dogs and donkeys are/can be domesticated animals. They have been used and trained by man for hundreds/thousands of years.
Tigers and zebras not so much so but I am sure that if a tiger doesn't want to do something, it won't do it. Most animals, these days, are trained to trust their trainer rather than fear them and I am sure that all the animals are well loved by their trainers and their owners.

And their living conditions? These are animals that are supposed to roam free in the wild, not be kept cooped up in a little cage 20 hours a day.

There is no justification for this cruelty. This antiquated and cruel 'circus' should be shut down.

I have visited this circus and the animals seem happy and well treated. They may not be in their natural environment but these animals are captive bred & know no different. For the sake of performing a few tricks, no different to teaching a pet dog to beg for a biscuit, they receive clean, secure living areas, regular & ample supply of food, medical treatment when needed, & safety from predators & hunters. These people would spend their time better trying to do something about dog fighting or cruelty to pet animals.

V_is_back wrote:

emcee wrote:
Quote: "The circus uses tigers, llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, zebra, dogs and donkeys in its show."
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Llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, dogs and donkeys are/can be domesticated animals. They have been used and trained by man for hundreds/thousands of years.
Tigers and zebras not so much so but I am sure that if a tiger doesn't want to do something, it won't do it. Most animals, these days, are trained to trust their trainer rather than fear them and I am sure that all the animals are well loved by their trainers and their owners.

And their living conditions? These are animals that are supposed to roam free in the wild, not be kept cooped up in a little cage 20 hours a day.

There is no justification for this cruelty. This antiquated and cruel 'circus' should be shut down.

Whilst I tend to agree with you, I wonder if everyone who keeps a cat at home would say the same thing.

Nebs wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

emcee wrote:
Quote: "The circus uses tigers, llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, zebra, dogs and donkeys in its show."
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Llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, dogs and donkeys are/can be domesticated animals. They have been used and trained by man for hundreds/thousands of years.
Tigers and zebras not so much so but I am sure that if a tiger doesn't want to do something, it won't do it. Most animals, these days, are trained to trust their trainer rather than fear them and I am sure that all the animals are well loved by their trainers and their owners.

And their living conditions? These are animals that are supposed to roam free in the wild, not be kept cooped up in a little cage 20 hours a day.

There is no justification for this cruelty. This antiquated and cruel 'circus' should be shut down.

Whilst I tend to agree with you, I wonder if everyone who keeps a cat at home would say the same thing.

Anyone who has ever had a cat knows full well that if that cat isn't getting a good deal it'll find somewhere better to live.

V_is_back wrote:

Nebs wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

emcee wrote:
Quote: "The circus uses tigers, llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, zebra, dogs and donkeys in its show."
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Llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, dogs and donkeys are/can be domesticated animals. They have been used and trained by man for hundreds/thousands of years.
Tigers and zebras not so much so but I am sure that if a tiger doesn't want to do something, it won't do it. Most animals, these days, are trained to trust their trainer rather than fear them and I am sure that all the animals are well loved by their trainers and their owners.

And their living conditions? These are animals that are supposed to roam free in the wild, not be kept cooped up in a little cage 20 hours a day.

There is no justification for this cruelty. This antiquated and cruel 'circus' should be shut down.

Whilst I tend to agree with you, I wonder if everyone who keeps a cat at home would say the same thing.

Anyone who has ever had a cat knows full well that if that cat isn't getting a good deal it'll find somewhere better to live.

And your proof that the animals at the circus are not getting a good deal is...?
Contrary to belief, all cats are lazy animals by nature (ncluding the big cats). They do not need to roam, only doing so to follow their food source or to hunt for food. The only exertion they need is to hunt and kill their prey. As domesticated cats rarely have to do this they are quite happy to live the life of riley. The same goes for the big cats. These tigers are probably quite happy not having to hunt for their food. Performing a few tricks seems a small price (and gives them excercise) for their life of riley.

emcee wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

Nebs wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

emcee wrote:
Quote: "The circus uses tigers, llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, zebra, dogs and donkeys in its show."
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Llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, dogs and donkeys are/can be domesticated animals. They have been used and trained by man for hundreds/thousands of years.
Tigers and zebras not so much so but I am sure that if a tiger doesn't want to do something, it won't do it. Most animals, these days, are trained to trust their trainer rather than fear them and I am sure that all the animals are well loved by their trainers and their owners.

And their living conditions? These are animals that are supposed to roam free in the wild, not be kept cooped up in a little cage 20 hours a day.

There is no justification for this cruelty. This antiquated and cruel 'circus' should be shut down.

Whilst I tend to agree with you, I wonder if everyone who keeps a cat at home would say the same thing.

Anyone who has ever had a cat knows full well that if that cat isn't getting a good deal it'll find somewhere better to live.

And your proof that the animals at the circus are not getting a good deal is...?
Contrary to belief, all cats are lazy animals by nature (ncluding the big cats). They do not need to roam, only doing so to follow their food source or to hunt for food. The only exertion they need is to hunt and kill their prey. As domesticated cats rarely have to do this they are quite happy to live the life of riley. The same goes for the big cats. These tigers are probably quite happy not having to hunt for their food. Performing a few tricks seems a small price (and gives them excercise) for their life of riley.

Those animals being stuck in a small cage 20 hours or more every day is cruel.
You are trying to justify cruelty.

I would have more respect for them if they marched for better treatment in our Hospitals or for those in Care Homes be they young or old patients. I do not condone ill treatment of animals so why dont people treat people with the same respect.

emcee wrote:
Quote: "The circus uses tigers, llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, zebra, dogs and donkeys in its show."
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Llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, dogs and donkeys are/can be domesticated animals. They have been used and trained by man for hundreds/thousands of years.
Tigers and zebras not so much so but I am sure that if a tiger doesn't want to do something, it won't do it. Most animals, these days, are trained to trust their trainer rather than fear them and I am sure that all the animals are well loved by their trainers and their owners.

What a load of tosh you speak. If I locked you in my shed and wacked you with a riders crop I could make you dance a jig. But I dont presume you would be happy about it.

bignosechaff wrote:

emcee wrote:
Quote: "The circus uses tigers, llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, zebra, dogs and donkeys in its show."
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Llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, dogs and donkeys are/can be domesticated animals. They have been used and trained by man for hundreds/thousands of years.
Tigers and zebras not so much so but I am sure that if a tiger doesn't want to do something, it won't do it. Most animals, these days, are trained to trust their trainer rather than fear them and I am sure that all the animals are well loved by their trainers and their owners.

What a load of tosh you speak. If I locked you in my shed and wacked you with a riders crop I could make you dance a jig. But I dont presume you would be happy about it.

Oi! Some people are willing to pay a lot of money for that!

a bit late! the circus arrived on the 14th august- and is only here another week

emcee wrote:
Quote: "The circus uses tigers, llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, zebra, dogs and donkeys in its show."
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Llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, dogs and donkeys are/can be domesticated animals. They have been used and trained by man for hundreds/thousands of years.
Tigers and zebras not so much so but I am sure that if a tiger doesn't want to do something, it won't do it. Most animals, these days, are trained to trust their trainer rather than fear them and I am sure that all the animals are well loved by their trainers and their owners.

"...I am sure that all the animals are well loved by their trainers and their owners"...

Once upon a time, not far, far away in a little village called Rochford, there was a circus and everybody who worked there was kind and lovely with twinkly eyes and nobody ever beat the elephants with great big wooden sticks.

It can't have been a couple of years ago then, because that's when the Echo thankfully exposed the extreme cruelty which was going on at the circus in Rochford! Thanks for that, Echo reporters. Despite the usual protestations that the animals were well-cared for and lived gloriously happy lives Echo readers got to see sickening evidence of the cruelty at the circus.

How anyone can be so naive to say they are "sure" that all the animals are well loved is beyond me! Wishful thinking. a pair of rose-coloured specs and a desire to believe that nothing cruel is happening.

Power to the protesters and I hope the Government sticks to this one promise at least.

DCLEIGH wrote:
I have never visited a circus which uses animals and I never will.
I assume these people are not hypocritical and will protest if Pudsey the Dancing Dog comes to the area.

Excellent comment.

I really feel for these animals - next to an airport with frequent low flying aeroplanes taking off and landing near them ... these creatures have very sensitive hearing ... they are also subject to long distance travelling, performing to order, and long periods in their enclosures or tethered outside. It's all wrong.

I'm not going into whether I think it's right or wrong, but when I see protesters banging on cars which are going in - that's wrong. I witnessed this a couple of years ago.

Those cars most likely had children in. Children who were probably scared by people banging on the car. The protest should be against the circus not those who have made the decision to avoid a boycott and take their children out.

PJR-121 wrote:
I'm not going into whether I think it's right or wrong, but when I see protesters banging on cars which are going in - that's wrong. I witnessed this a couple of years ago.

Those cars most likely had children in. Children who were probably scared by people banging on the car. The protest should be against the circus not those who have made the decision to avoid a boycott and take their children out.

What has that got to do with this completely separate protest?

the circus animals are working animals that have never known anything else. stop giving it onions and put the kleenex away it's not like we're baiting bears here.

V_is_back wrote:

emcee wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

Nebs wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

emcee wrote:
Quote: "The circus uses tigers, llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, zebra, dogs and donkeys in its show."
-
Llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, dogs and donkeys are/can be domesticated animals. They have been used and trained by man for hundreds/thousands of years.
Tigers and zebras not so much so but I am sure that if a tiger doesn't want to do something, it won't do it. Most animals, these days, are trained to trust their trainer rather than fear them and I am sure that all the animals are well loved by their trainers and their owners.

And their living conditions? These are animals that are supposed to roam free in the wild, not be kept cooped up in a little cage 20 hours a day.

There is no justification for this cruelty. This antiquated and cruel 'circus' should be shut down.

Whilst I tend to agree with you, I wonder if everyone who keeps a cat at home would say the same thing.

Anyone who has ever had a cat knows full well that if that cat isn't getting a good deal it'll find somewhere better to live.

And your proof that the animals at the circus are not getting a good deal is...?
Contrary to belief, all cats are lazy animals by nature (ncluding the big cats). They do not need to roam, only doing so to follow their food source or to hunt for food. The only exertion they need is to hunt and kill their prey. As domesticated cats rarely have to do this they are quite happy to live the life of riley. The same goes for the big cats. These tigers are probably quite happy not having to hunt for their food. Performing a few tricks seems a small price (and gives them excercise) for their life of riley.

Those animals being stuck in a small cage 20 hours or more every day is cruel.
You are trying to justify cruelty.

Same as houses, or worse flats, that don't have a cat flap or a dog flap and the animal is only let out at the whim of the owner. Exactly like the circus.

Nebs wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

emcee wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

Nebs wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

emcee wrote:
Quote: "The circus uses tigers, llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, zebra, dogs and donkeys in its show."
-
Llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, dogs and donkeys are/can be domesticated animals. They have been used and trained by man for hundreds/thousands of years.
Tigers and zebras not so much so but I am sure that if a tiger doesn't want to do something, it won't do it. Most animals, these days, are trained to trust their trainer rather than fear them and I am sure that all the animals are well loved by their trainers and their owners.

And their living conditions? These are animals that are supposed to roam free in the wild, not be kept cooped up in a little cage 20 hours a day.

There is no justification for this cruelty. This antiquated and cruel 'circus' should be shut down.

Whilst I tend to agree with you, I wonder if everyone who keeps a cat at home would say the same thing.

Anyone who has ever had a cat knows full well that if that cat isn't getting a good deal it'll find somewhere better to live.

And your proof that the animals at the circus are not getting a good deal is...?
Contrary to belief, all cats are lazy animals by nature (ncluding the big cats). They do not need to roam, only doing so to follow their food source or to hunt for food. The only exertion they need is to hunt and kill their prey. As domesticated cats rarely have to do this they are quite happy to live the life of riley. The same goes for the big cats. These tigers are probably quite happy not having to hunt for their food. Performing a few tricks seems a small price (and gives them excercise) for their life of riley.

Those animals being stuck in a small cage 20 hours or more every day is cruel.
You are trying to justify cruelty.

Same as houses, or worse flats, that don't have a cat flap or a dog flap and the animal is only let out at the whim of the owner. Exactly like the circus.

An animal living in a loving home cannot be compared to an animal living the circus life! They are not uprooted every week and travel in crates to the next destination, they do not have to perform to total strangers every afternoon and night, they are not subjected to loud noises such as they are at Southend Airport with low flying planes taking off and landing right near them, they are not tethered outside for long hours when not in use ...

Why can't the Echo just recycle this story from the last few years ?

Nebs wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

emcee wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

Nebs wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

emcee wrote:
Quote: "The circus uses tigers, llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, zebra, dogs and donkeys in its show."
-
Llamas, camels, reindeer, horses, dogs and donkeys are/can be domesticated animals. They have been used and trained by man for hundreds/thousands of years.
Tigers and zebras not so much so but I am sure that if a tiger doesn't want to do something, it won't do it. Most animals, these days, are trained to trust their trainer rather than fear them and I am sure that all the animals are well loved by their trainers and their owners.

And their living conditions? These are animals that are supposed to roam free in the wild, not be kept cooped up in a little cage 20 hours a day.

There is no justification for this cruelty. This antiquated and cruel 'circus' should be shut down.

Whilst I tend to agree with you, I wonder if everyone who keeps a cat at home would say the same thing.

Anyone who has ever had a cat knows full well that if that cat isn't getting a good deal it'll find somewhere better to live.

And your proof that the animals at the circus are not getting a good deal is...?
Contrary to belief, all cats are lazy animals by nature (ncluding the big cats). They do not need to roam, only doing so to follow their food source or to hunt for food. The only exertion they need is to hunt and kill their prey. As domesticated cats rarely have to do this they are quite happy to live the life of riley. The same goes for the big cats. These tigers are probably quite happy not having to hunt for their food. Performing a few tricks seems a small price (and gives them excercise) for their life of riley.

Those animals being stuck in a small cage 20 hours or more every day is cruel.
You are trying to justify cruelty.

Same as houses, or worse flats, that don't have a cat flap or a dog flap and the animal is only let out at the whim of the owner. Exactly like the circus.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

V_is_back wrote:
Keeping animals in captivity and forcing them to 'perform' for the entertainment of the ignorant is vile.

Yes, it is. But enough about TOWIE, how do you feel about circuses?

I have been 2 the circus in rochford and the animals r looked after. funny enough when i drove past this afternoon they were on the field they all looked healthy 2 me and clean ppl put dogs in cars n rabbits in hutches so wots there problem just let ppl do there own thing thats the thing ppl if they dont like it its there choice but dont need 2 annoy every 1 at the entrance

Obviously they do not care about their animals as they didn't even notice a lion missing......

don't you just love the loony left, holier than though, i'm better than yow, shove their views down your throat, micro managing killjoys.
don't like it - vote with your feet but that's not good enough for them. gotta interfere with every single aspect of our lives.

thou

Unfortunately human beings have been responsible for too much meddling in the animal world and ultimately whether you choose to domesticate a cat or train an elephant to perform tricks, it is all done to satiate our needs and wants.

Whilst changing our thinking about the acceptability of domesticating cats, dogs, rabbits etc is probably not straight-forward, stopping needless mis-treatment of all animals is something we can do something about.

To suggest as one correspondent has that animals get the better deal over needy humans is completely wrong. Animal welfare charities are the poor relation it seems to me. Crimes of cruelty against animals are treated much less harshly than those against humans.

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
don't you just love the loony left, holier than though, i'm better than yow, shove their views down your throat, micro managing killjoys.
don't like it - vote with your feet but that's not good enough for them. gotta interfere with every single aspect of our lives.

This is an aspect of your life? You own a circus?

and how do ppl no there animals arent looked after!? it isnt the fact there not looked after ppl just dont like the way they think there transported! but ppl av horses in a horse box 4 3 or more hours n there in a little area most of the time but they dont protest about that! ppl must av 2 much time on there hands if u got time go n protest how crap wages r n u av 2 work 7 days a wk just 2 live

BOOOOOORING! Gosh, i've had thoughts against things like this, but all this protesting lark is so, so boring! Get-a-life... Concentrate on other problems we already have for goodness sake

i see illiteracy is alive and well in rochford

rude boy wrote:
and how do ppl no there animals arent looked after!? it isnt the fact there not looked after ppl just dont like the way they think there transported! but ppl av horses in a horse box 4 3 or more hours n there in a little area most of the time but they dont protest about that! ppl must av 2 much time on there hands if u got time go n protest how crap wages r n u av 2 work 7 days a wk just 2 live

Methinks somebody sends too many text messages ?

Would someone care to translate into English ?

APR wrote:

rude boy wrote:
and how do ppl no there animals arent looked after!? it isnt the fact there not looked after ppl just dont like the way they think there transported! but ppl av horses in a horse box 4 3 or more hours n there in a little area most of the time but they dont protest about that! ppl must av 2 much time on there hands if u got time go n protest how crap wages r n u av 2 work 7 days a wk just 2 live

Methinks somebody sends too many text messages ?

Would someone care to translate into English ?

LOL. I like the r n u av 2 bit. Makes more sense than the longhand that preceeds it ;-).

plus i avent got allday 2 write a SA neither so bore off u must av 2 much time on ur hands

Trying to put your point across using "text speak" is not only lazy, it is rude.
If you want to communicate via text messaging directly to friends and family that is entirely up to you. However, to try and communicate on a public sounding board, such as this, with abreviated text shows that you are either out to disrepect other contributors or you did not pay attention during English lessons at school.
Do not be surprised if you find yourself being increasingly ignored as you go through life if you carry on trying to communicate as you have been.