We rescued boys in from water at Southend - where were all the warnings?

9:00am Sunday 2nd September 2012 in News By George Thorpe

A SERIES of potentially-lethal accidents off Southend beaches has prompted calls for more safety warnings to be posted.

Cousins who saved two boys’ lives have urged Southend Council to put up more signs telling bathers how to stay out of danger.

On Friday afternoon, Joanne Corboy, 37, from Leigh, and Catherine Osborne, 43, from Westcliff, spotted two 11-year-olds struggling in the water off Chalkwell Beach.

Ms Corboy and a male passer-by went into the water and dragged the youngsters out, while Ms Osborne stayed on shore and called the emergency services. The boys, called Liam and Shane, were taken to Southend Hospital for treatment.

Days after the rescue, the two women called for more warnings and extra safety equipment.

Ms Corboy said: “Safety around the beach really needs to be highlighted, because the tide does come in quickly in Chalkwell. The boys were unsupervised and when I jumped in, there was nothing nearby for me to grab to help float them back to shore.

“I consider myself a strong swimmer, but even I had trouble swimming. It has made me more aware of the dangers.

“We need better signs. The boys were both so polite and brave, but they thought they were going to die. It could have been prevented if more information had been around.”

Southend RNLI spokesman Den Freeman said there were already some safety boards along the seafront and urged swimmers to take notice of them.

Mr Freeman added: “The advice we give is to be aware of the surroundings, know the times of the tides and look at the weather conditions as they affect the water.

“But even locals get caught out, so I can understand the concerns raised.”

Scott Dolling, Southend Council’s tourism manager, said: “We do provide boards across the seafront with safety information. We also employ resort assistants through the season to patrol and help assist visitors with matters including safety and first aid.”

Comments (65)

9:10am Sun 2 Sep 12

Brunning999 says...

Life is full of dangers and there would be signs at every cliff top,pond, river, kerb stone, cracked paving, moss covered path, the list is endless.
Life is full of dangers and there would be signs at every cliff top,pond, river, kerb stone, cracked paving, moss covered path, the list is endless. Brunning999

9:19am Sun 2 Sep 12

tws123 says...

Exactly! Whatever happened to common sense?
Exactly! Whatever happened to common sense? tws123

9:29am Sun 2 Sep 12

V_is_back says...

The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed.

I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves.
Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings).

The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons.

It's as simple as that.
The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed. I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves. Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings). The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons. It's as simple as that. V_is_back

9:57am Sun 2 Sep 12

Max Impact says...

How about one sign Tide comes in Tide go's out , Tide comes in tide go's out.....

What more would these women like the Council do... Issue everyone a lifejacket, rubber ring, distress beacon, immersion suit, personal lifeguard, personal rescue chopper, ban the tide coming in.

There are more than enough warnings.

Southend on Sea there is a hint in the name.
How about one sign Tide comes in Tide go's out , Tide comes in tide go's out..... What more would these women like the Council do... Issue everyone a lifejacket, rubber ring, distress beacon, immersion suit, personal lifeguard, personal rescue chopper, ban the tide coming in. There are more than enough warnings. Southend on Sea there is a hint in the name. Max Impact

10:00am Sun 2 Sep 12

JuliaM says...

V_is_back wrote:
The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed.

I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves.
Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings).

The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons.

It's as simple as that.
I wish I could recommend this comment ten times over!
[quote][p][bold]V_is_back[/bold] wrote: The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed. I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves. Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings). The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons. It's as simple as that.[/p][/quote]I wish I could recommend this comment ten times over! JuliaM

10:04am Sun 2 Sep 12

EssexPerson says...

How about a sign which simply said "Use Common Sense".
Besides who's fault is it that they weren't supervised in the first place?
How about a sign which simply said "Use Common Sense". Besides who's fault is it that they weren't supervised in the first place? EssexPerson

10:11am Sun 2 Sep 12

V_is_back says...

JuliaM wrote:
V_is_back wrote:
The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed.

I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves.
Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings).

The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons.

It's as simple as that.
I wish I could recommend this comment ten times over!
I see no recommendation system on my computer at all. See people talking about it, but I don't see it. I use an iMac, a Windows laptop, and an iPhone, but there is no recommendation system visible on any of them.
[quote][p][bold]JuliaM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]V_is_back[/bold] wrote: The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed. I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves. Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings). The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons. It's as simple as that.[/p][/quote]I wish I could recommend this comment ten times over![/p][/quote]I see no recommendation system on my computer at all. See people talking about it, but I don't see it. I use an iMac, a Windows laptop, and an iPhone, but there is no recommendation system visible on any of them. V_is_back

10:17am Sun 2 Sep 12

Max Impact says...

V_is_back wrote:
JuliaM wrote:
V_is_back wrote: The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed. I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves. Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings). The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons. It's as simple as that.
I wish I could recommend this comment ten times over!
I see no recommendation system on my computer at all. See people talking about it, but I don't see it. I use an iMac, a Windows laptop, and an iPhone, but there is no recommendation system visible on any of them.
Same here, desk top, lap top no tumbs up/down

Mobile shows it sometimes...!
[quote][p][bold]V_is_back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JuliaM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]V_is_back[/bold] wrote: The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed. I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves. Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings). The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons. It's as simple as that.[/p][/quote]I wish I could recommend this comment ten times over![/p][/quote]I see no recommendation system on my computer at all. See people talking about it, but I don't see it. I use an iMac, a Windows laptop, and an iPhone, but there is no recommendation system visible on any of them.[/p][/quote]Same here, desk top, lap top no tumbs up/down Mobile shows it sometimes...! Max Impact

10:18am Sun 2 Sep 12

Russ13 says...

RIP Common Sense............ Born Sometime BC - Died in the 1990s
RIP Common Sense............ Born Sometime BC - Died in the 1990s Russ13

10:38am Sun 2 Sep 12

reptile says...

The UK has an 18% illiteracy rate so we can assume 1 in 5 would be unable to read a sign then we come to the question of what languages it should be written in.
The UK has an 18% illiteracy rate so we can assume 1 in 5 would be unable to read a sign then we come to the question of what languages it should be written in. reptile

10:45am Sun 2 Sep 12

midgetman says...

I say less signs etc and let nature do its own selection.
I say less signs etc and let nature do its own selection. midgetman

11:03am Sun 2 Sep 12

Soouthchurch59 says...

Good save!
Good save! Soouthchurch59

11:03am Sun 2 Sep 12

Happygirly says...

I feel for the boys and am concerned that aged only 11 they were unsupervised whilst swimming in the sea. I do think the parents need to take some responsibilty for their children. Thank the lord others were around to save them.
I feel for the boys and am concerned that aged only 11 they were unsupervised whilst swimming in the sea. I do think the parents need to take some responsibilty for their children. Thank the lord others were around to save them. Happygirly

11:18am Sun 2 Sep 12

perini says...

Only sign needed 'Beware of morons!'
Only sign needed 'Beware of morons!' perini

11:21am Sun 2 Sep 12

God Almighty says...

V_is_back wrote:
The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed. I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves. Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings). The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons. It's as simple as that.
TOO TRUE!
[quote][p][bold]V_is_back[/bold] wrote: The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed. I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves. Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings). The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons. It's as simple as that.[/p][/quote]TOO TRUE! God Almighty

11:21am Sun 2 Sep 12

Soouthchurch59 says...

Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr
en/brother/sister...
..
Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... .. Soouthchurch59

11:25am Sun 2 Sep 12

God Almighty says...

Happygirly wrote:
I feel for the boys and am concerned that aged only 11 they were unsupervised whilst swimming in the sea. I do think the parents need to take some responsibilty for their children. Thank the lord others were around to save them.
Why shouldn't 11 year olds swim in the sea unsupervised? We did, and no harm came to any of us, because we used our common sense.
.
I also blame the parents. I have lost count of the number of times I have had to screech to a halt because kids, big and little, have stepped straight out into the road without looking. Sadly an awful lot of modern parents seem to take no responsibility for teaching their kids to use their common sense, whether on the roads or in the sea.
[quote][p][bold]Happygirly[/bold] wrote: I feel for the boys and am concerned that aged only 11 they were unsupervised whilst swimming in the sea. I do think the parents need to take some responsibilty for their children. Thank the lord others were around to save them.[/p][/quote]Why shouldn't 11 year olds swim in the sea unsupervised? We did, and no harm came to any of us, because we used our common sense. . I also blame the parents. I have lost count of the number of times I have had to screech to a halt because kids, big and little, have stepped straight out into the road without looking. Sadly an awful lot of modern parents seem to take no responsibility for teaching their kids to use their common sense, whether on the roads or in the sea. God Almighty

11:28am Sun 2 Sep 12

Max Impact says...

Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr

en/brother/sister...

..
My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
[quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..[/p][/quote]My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second. Max Impact

11:41am Sun 2 Sep 12

AnotherSister says...

V_is_back wrote:
The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed.

I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves.
Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings).

The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons.

It's as simple as that.
Could you please publish this somewhere prominent on the internet and other noticeable places, as you've perfectly summed up everything which has gone wrong with our now sad little nation.
[quote][p][bold]V_is_back[/bold] wrote: The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed. I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves. Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings). The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons. It's as simple as that.[/p][/quote]Could you please publish this somewhere prominent on the internet and other noticeable places, as you've perfectly summed up everything which has gone wrong with our now sad little nation. AnotherSister

12:56pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Keptquiettillnow says...

V_is_back wrote:
The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed.

I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves.
Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings).

The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons.

It's as simple as that.
Spot on V
[quote][p][bold]V_is_back[/bold] wrote: The tides haven't changed, the beaches haven't changed, the weather hasn't changed, yet every year we hear of more people getting into trouble off Southend's coast. So if the conditions haven't changed then the people must have changed. I think it's an intelligence issue caused by the health and safety culture. There are too many signs. People are now so dumbed down they are little more than witless cattle incapable of thinking for themselves. Basically, if there isn't a sign saying 'Beware' or 'Danger' or 'Do Not!' they are incapable of assessing or imagining there may be risk. You can see this every day at pedestrian crossings: people will press the button to make the little green man light up… even if the road is empty! Or, if there is no pedestrian crossing they are unable to figure out how to cross a road safely (this works both ways as when the same people are in their cars they think people only cross roads at crossings). The health and safety culture has bred a society of morons. It's as simple as that.[/p][/quote]Spot on V Keptquiettillnow

1:16pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Soouthchurch59 says...

Max Impact wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr


en/brother/sister...


..
My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards.

Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..[/p][/quote]My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.[/p][/quote]My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water.... Soouthchurch59

2:19pm Sun 2 Sep 12

southendshrimper says...

What are some parents coming to. Two eleven year olds out on there own by the sea. Love Max's comment tide comes in tide goes out. Next it will be parents complaining about the sun & then what its too dark at night!
What are some parents coming to. Two eleven year olds out on there own by the sea. Love Max's comment tide comes in tide goes out. Next it will be parents complaining about the sun & then what its too dark at night! southendshrimper

3:10pm Sun 2 Sep 12

jaguarxxv says...

Southend council should bring the patrol boat out of mothball, the guys that ran it were spot on. Not running it saves a minimal amount of money.
Southend council should bring the patrol boat out of mothball, the guys that ran it were spot on. Not running it saves a minimal amount of money. jaguarxxv

7:12pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Max Impact says...

Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..
My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....
No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them.

They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.
[quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..[/p][/quote]My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.[/p][/quote]My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....[/p][/quote]No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them. They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown. Max Impact

7:24pm Sun 2 Sep 12

southendshrimper says...

Max Impact wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..
My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....
No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them.

They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.
Well said max, when me & my wife take our three to the front she will watch two of them whiles I take one into the water, they only like to paddle but we never go in if it is rough or cold. Always looking out for the tide & never leave one on there own. I.don't let my five year old have a bath on his own I let him have a game in the bath but always watch him. Some parents just can't be botherd anymore. Next they will try & sue the council because we have a sea that comes in & out.
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..[/p][/quote]My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.[/p][/quote]My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....[/p][/quote]No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them. They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.[/p][/quote]Well said max, when me & my wife take our three to the front she will watch two of them whiles I take one into the water, they only like to paddle but we never go in if it is rough or cold. Always looking out for the tide & never leave one on there own. I.don't let my five year old have a bath on his own I let him have a game in the bath but always watch him. Some parents just can't be botherd anymore. Next they will try & sue the council because we have a sea that comes in & out. southendshrimper

8:27pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Max Impact says...

southendshrimper wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..
My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....
No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them.

They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.
Well said max, when me & my wife take our three to the front she will watch two of them whiles I take one into the water, they only like to paddle but we never go in if it is rough or cold. Always looking out for the tide & never leave one on there own. I.don't let my five year old have a bath on his own I let him have a game in the bath but always watch him. Some parents just can't be botherd anymore. Next they will try & sue the council because we have a sea that comes in & out.
Sadly we live in a compensation society the slightest possible thing people slap in a claim, going off topic a woman us taking legal action over the new squatter law stating that it is a breach of her human rights... What about the rights of the home owner. whist its a start the squatting law must be extended to all properties and LAND.
[quote][p][bold]southendshrimper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..[/p][/quote]My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.[/p][/quote]My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....[/p][/quote]No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them. They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.[/p][/quote]Well said max, when me & my wife take our three to the front she will watch two of them whiles I take one into the water, they only like to paddle but we never go in if it is rough or cold. Always looking out for the tide & never leave one on there own. I.don't let my five year old have a bath on his own I let him have a game in the bath but always watch him. Some parents just can't be botherd anymore. Next they will try & sue the council because we have a sea that comes in & out.[/p][/quote]Sadly we live in a compensation society the slightest possible thing people slap in a claim, going off topic a woman us taking legal action over the new squatter law stating that it is a breach of her human rights... What about the rights of the home owner. whist its a start the squatting law must be extended to all properties and LAND. Max Impact

8:53am Mon 3 Sep 12

AndyBSG says...

"We rescued boys in from water at Southend "

Worst headline ever?

Sometimes when I read the Echo it amazes me that results in English GCSE's are supposedly improving every year yet we get an illiterate and nonsensical headline like that in a newspaper!
"We rescued boys in from water at Southend " Worst headline ever? Sometimes when I read the Echo it amazes me that results in English GCSE's are supposedly improving every year yet we get an illiterate and nonsensical headline like that in a newspaper! AndyBSG

2:28pm Mon 3 Sep 12

tinyone says...

May I be the first person (as I do not recall reading any positive comments above) on this thread to say well done to the ladies and gentleman who rescued the boys.... this could have been a very different story if they hadn't of bothered (like most of you sound like you wouldn't because 'it's their own fault')!!

There have been many stories over the last few weeks of children and adults drowning recently.
May I be the first person (as I do not recall reading any positive comments above) on this thread to say well done to the ladies and gentleman who rescued the boys.... this could have been a very different story if they hadn't of bothered (like most of you sound like you wouldn't because 'it's their own fault')!! There have been many stories over the last few weeks of children and adults drowning recently. tinyone

3:11pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Max Impact says...

NONE of the above have said they would not have gone to the rescue, the big issue people have is the fact that these kids were left on their own with no parents.guardians to watch over them, and that these two women are demanding more signs when there are plenty already in place.

How many people do not know that the tide comes in the tide go's out, the tide come in the tide gos out...
NONE of the above have said they would not have gone to the rescue, the big issue people have is the fact that these kids were left on their own with no parents.guardians to watch over them, and that these two women are demanding more signs when there are plenty already in place. How many people do not know that the tide comes in the tide go's out, the tide come in the tide gos out... Max Impact

6:04pm Mon 3 Sep 12

V_is_back says...

Goes.
Goes. V_is_back

11:07pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Max Impact says...

Still on stand down from work, got to keep fit and jogging is something I like to do I goes all the way from Westcliff to Shoebury East Beach or Westcliff to Leigh Station.

Helps keep the heart pumping strong and keeps the fat levels down. Go out two some times htree times a day, end up with an hour or so in the gym at home.

I need to be at my peak physical fitness for work as its a very demanding and stressful job.

Chubby fingers and new mobiles don't get on! even more so when the screen is jumping about as you are jogging along, you should try it one day!
Still on stand down from work, got to keep fit and jogging is something I like to do I goes all the way from Westcliff to Shoebury East Beach or Westcliff to Leigh Station. Helps keep the heart pumping strong and keeps the fat levels down. Go out two some times htree times a day, end up with an hour or so in the gym at home. I need to be at my peak physical fitness for work as its a very demanding and stressful job. Chubby fingers and new mobiles don't get on! even more so when the screen is jumping about as you are jogging along, you should try it one day! Max Impact

11:12pm Mon 3 Sep 12

V_is_back says...

Max Impact wrote:
Still on stand down from work, got to keep fit and jogging is something I like to do I goes all the way from Westcliff to Shoebury East Beach or Westcliff to Leigh Station.

Helps keep the heart pumping strong and keeps the fat levels down. Go out two some times htree times a day, end up with an hour or so in the gym at home.

I need to be at my peak physical fitness for work as its a very demanding and stressful job.

Chubby fingers and new mobiles don't get on! even more so when the screen is jumping about as you are jogging along, you should try it one day!
Thanks, but I'm not so stupid as to use a phone when walking, running, or cycling. I prefer to look where I'm going.
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: Still on stand down from work, got to keep fit and jogging is something I like to do I goes all the way from Westcliff to Shoebury East Beach or Westcliff to Leigh Station. Helps keep the heart pumping strong and keeps the fat levels down. Go out two some times htree times a day, end up with an hour or so in the gym at home. I need to be at my peak physical fitness for work as its a very demanding and stressful job. Chubby fingers and new mobiles don't get on! even more so when the screen is jumping about as you are jogging along, you should try it one day![/p][/quote]Thanks, but I'm not so stupid as to use a phone when walking, running, or cycling. I prefer to look where I'm going. V_is_back

11:58pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Max Impact says...

Multi-tasking above and beyond your abilities then.
Multi-tasking above and beyond your abilities then. Max Impact

7:26am Tue 4 Sep 12

APR says...

I wonder exactly how they would like the wording on the danger signs ?
I wonder exactly how they would like the wording on the danger signs ? APR

11:41am Tue 4 Sep 12

perini says...

APR wrote:
I wonder exactly how they would like the wording on the danger signs ?
Beware - water Perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]APR[/bold] wrote: I wonder exactly how they would like the wording on the danger signs ?[/p][/quote]Beware - water Perhaps? perini

12:48pm Tue 4 Sep 12

Happylass says...

Commonsense seems to have vanished from the youngsters of today. Most large estuary tides have tremendous undertows. We were brought up understanding this and Thames mud is a clinging horrible stuff even though its a lot cleaner than when mum used to take us down to Chalkwell 60 yrs ago.
Commonsense seems to have vanished from the youngsters of today. Most large estuary tides have tremendous undertows. We were brought up understanding this and Thames mud is a clinging horrible stuff even though its a lot cleaner than when mum used to take us down to Chalkwell 60 yrs ago. Happylass

2:26pm Tue 4 Sep 12

you're_scaring_me_now says...

Some of the comments on this article are nothing short of disgusting. But then that's to be expected from the usual suspects who go on their right-wing soapbox rants without considering the feelings of others.

I wonder if those commenters muttering about 'common-sense' would be saying so if their loved ones were almost killed in a similar accident?
Some of the comments on this article are nothing short of disgusting. But then that's to be expected from the usual suspects who go on their right-wing soapbox rants without considering the feelings of others. I wonder if those commenters muttering about 'common-sense' would be saying so if their loved ones were almost killed in a similar accident? you're_scaring_me_now

3:13pm Tue 4 Sep 12

V_is_back says...

Max Impact wrote:
Multi-tasking above and beyond your abilities then.
No, I'm just not a moronic ipodestrian, as you patently are.
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: Multi-tasking above and beyond your abilities then.[/p][/quote]No, I'm just not a moronic ipodestrian, as you patently are. V_is_back

3:21pm Tue 4 Sep 12

r6keith says...

Common sense ! When I was 11, I swam in the sea, I went out to the ray across the creek at Chalkwell, later on I even swam the ray ! All unsupervised what is the problem with common sense ? It worked for me !
Common sense ! When I was 11, I swam in the sea, I went out to the ray across the creek at Chalkwell, later on I even swam the ray ! All unsupervised what is the problem with common sense ? It worked for me ! r6keith

3:59pm Tue 4 Sep 12

Max Impact says...

you're_scaring_me_no
w wrote:
Some of the comments on this article are nothing short of disgusting. But then that's to be expected from the usual suspects who go on their right-wing soapbox rants without considering the feelings of others. I wonder if those commenters muttering about 'common-sense' would be saying so if their loved ones were almost killed in a similar accident?
All my family all my friends know the tide comes in, they know the dangers and never stray too far from the beach.

The main thing people are angry about is the fact these kids were not being watched by their parents, why should it be down to strangers to keep an eye on them.
[quote][p][bold]you're_scaring_me_no w[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on this article are nothing short of disgusting. But then that's to be expected from the usual suspects who go on their right-wing soapbox rants without considering the feelings of others. I wonder if those commenters muttering about 'common-sense' would be saying so if their loved ones were almost killed in a similar accident?[/p][/quote]All my family all my friends know the tide comes in, they know the dangers and never stray too far from the beach. The main thing people are angry about is the fact these kids were not being watched by their parents, why should it be down to strangers to keep an eye on them. Max Impact

4:49pm Tue 4 Sep 12

Broadwaywatch says...

Max Impact wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..
My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....
No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them.

They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.
Wear wet suites?
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..[/p][/quote]My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.[/p][/quote]My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....[/p][/quote]No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them. They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.[/p][/quote]Wear wet suites? Broadwaywatch

11:26am Wed 5 Sep 12

God Almighty says...

r6keith wrote:
Common sense ! When I was 11, I swam in the sea, I went out to the ray across the creek at Chalkwell, later on I even swam the ray ! All unsupervised what is the problem with common sense ? It worked for me !
Ditto, me and my friends often went swimming on our own with no problem and this wasn't because we were neglected, all children (my friends included sons of dockers and sons of doctors) were allowed a lot more freedom back in the fifties before 'elf and safety culture took the place of common sense, A lot of modern parents don't bother explaining the dangers of the sea, roads etc to their kids, they leave that to the schools, teachers etc and then they complain when their little darlings get into trouble. Others take the opposite point of view and mollycoddle their kids and don't allow them any freedom to explore on their own. As a retired head teacher friend says, this has produced generations of kids with no road, or sea, sense and little initiative. No wonder this country is going down the tubes.
[quote][p][bold]r6keith[/bold] wrote: Common sense ! When I was 11, I swam in the sea, I went out to the ray across the creek at Chalkwell, later on I even swam the ray ! All unsupervised what is the problem with common sense ? It worked for me ![/p][/quote]Ditto, me and my friends often went swimming on our own with no problem and this wasn't because we were neglected, all children (my friends included sons of dockers and sons of doctors) were allowed a lot more freedom back in the fifties before 'elf and safety culture took the place of common sense, A lot of modern parents don't bother explaining the dangers of the sea, roads etc to their kids, they leave that to the schools, teachers etc and then they complain when their little darlings get into trouble. Others take the opposite point of view and mollycoddle their kids and don't allow them any freedom to explore on their own. As a retired head teacher friend says, this has produced generations of kids with no road, or sea, sense and little initiative. No wonder this country is going down the tubes. God Almighty

1:06pm Wed 5 Sep 12

perini says...

God Almighty wrote:
r6keith wrote: Common sense ! When I was 11, I swam in the sea, I went out to the ray across the creek at Chalkwell, later on I even swam the ray ! All unsupervised what is the problem with common sense ? It worked for me !
Ditto, me and my friends often went swimming on our own with no problem and this wasn't because we were neglected, all children (my friends included sons of dockers and sons of doctors) were allowed a lot more freedom back in the fifties before 'elf and safety culture took the place of common sense, A lot of modern parents don't bother explaining the dangers of the sea, roads etc to their kids, they leave that to the schools, teachers etc and then they complain when their little darlings get into trouble. Others take the opposite point of view and mollycoddle their kids and don't allow them any freedom to explore on their own. As a retired head teacher friend says, this has produced generations of kids with no road, or sea, sense and little initiative. No wonder this country is going down the tubes.
Quite agree - at aged 11 I was sailing a dinghy over to the Kent side and camping on the beach eating off a camp-fire. Never got drowned, didn't get burnt - might have got a bit cold and wet at times but it was part of the learning curve. Common sense and a lot of parent/child interaction would prepare you enough to go out by yourself and gain the relevant experience without killing yourself through stupidity
[quote][p][bold]God Almighty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]r6keith[/bold] wrote: Common sense ! When I was 11, I swam in the sea, I went out to the ray across the creek at Chalkwell, later on I even swam the ray ! All unsupervised what is the problem with common sense ? It worked for me ![/p][/quote]Ditto, me and my friends often went swimming on our own with no problem and this wasn't because we were neglected, all children (my friends included sons of dockers and sons of doctors) were allowed a lot more freedom back in the fifties before 'elf and safety culture took the place of common sense, A lot of modern parents don't bother explaining the dangers of the sea, roads etc to their kids, they leave that to the schools, teachers etc and then they complain when their little darlings get into trouble. Others take the opposite point of view and mollycoddle their kids and don't allow them any freedom to explore on their own. As a retired head teacher friend says, this has produced generations of kids with no road, or sea, sense and little initiative. No wonder this country is going down the tubes.[/p][/quote]Quite agree - at aged 11 I was sailing a dinghy over to the Kent side and camping on the beach eating off a camp-fire. Never got drowned, didn't get burnt - might have got a bit cold and wet at times but it was part of the learning curve. Common sense and a lot of parent/child interaction would prepare you enough to go out by yourself and gain the relevant experience without killing yourself through stupidity perini

2:02pm Wed 5 Sep 12

God Almighty says...

High five Perini, I was also sailing a dinghy at that age. When we were 12 three of us paddled canoes right around Canvey Island, no problem because we were experienced sailors, had been taught all about the dangers, had all the relevant safety equipment and we used our common sense.
High five Perini, I was also sailing a dinghy at that age. When we were 12 three of us paddled canoes right around Canvey Island, no problem because we were experienced sailors, had been taught all about the dangers, had all the relevant safety equipment and we used our common sense. God Almighty

3:58pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Max Impact says...

Broadwaywatch wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..
My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....
No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them. They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.
Wear wet suites?
I have dyslexia ko

Guess your 100% perfict all the time never make a mistake,

Get over yourself
[quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..[/p][/quote]My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.[/p][/quote]My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....[/p][/quote]No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them. They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.[/p][/quote]Wear wet suites?[/p][/quote]I have dyslexia ko Guess your 100% perfict all the time never make a mistake, Get over yourself Max Impact

4:10pm Wed 5 Sep 12

God Almighty says...

All the same, wet suits to go swimming?
All the same, wet suits to go swimming? God Almighty

6:26pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Broadwaywatch says...

Max Impact wrote:
Broadwaywatch wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..
My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....
No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them. They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.
Wear wet suites?
I have dyslexia ko

Guess your 100% perfict all the time never make a mistake,

Get over yourself
I am certainly not criticising your spelling that is not the sort of thing I would ever think of doing:; anyway my spelling is quite awful at the best of times. Thank goodness for spell check.
I in fact was remarking on the wearing of wetsuits, (which in fact I think is indeed as you wrote it correctly as one word) for a day on the beach and going swimming or maybe I have jumped the gun and your youngsters are sailboarders or surfers. It just seems a little over the top just for swimming but there again times have changed. I have never used one myself.
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..[/p][/quote]My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.[/p][/quote]My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....[/p][/quote]No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them. They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.[/p][/quote]Wear wet suites?[/p][/quote]I have dyslexia ko Guess your 100% perfict all the time never make a mistake, Get over yourself[/p][/quote]I am certainly not criticising your spelling that is not the sort of thing I would ever think of doing:; anyway my spelling is quite awful at the best of times. Thank goodness for spell check. I in fact was remarking on the wearing of wetsuits, (which in fact I think is indeed as you wrote it correctly as one word) for a day on the beach and going swimming or maybe I have jumped the gun and your youngsters are sailboarders or surfers. It just seems a little over the top just for swimming but there again times have changed. I have never used one myself. Broadwaywatch

7:37pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Max Impact says...

Broadwaywatch wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Broadwaywatch wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..
My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....
No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them. They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.
Wear wet suites?
I have dyslexia ko Guess your 100% perfict all the time never make a mistake, Get over yourself
I am certainly not criticising your spelling that is not the sort of thing I would ever think of doing:; anyway my spelling is quite awful at the best of times. Thank goodness for spell check. I in fact was remarking on the wearing of wetsuits, (which in fact I think is indeed as you wrote it correctly as one word) for a day on the beach and going swimming or maybe I have jumped the gun and your youngsters are sailboarders or surfers. It just seems a little over the top just for swimming but there again times have changed. I have never used one myself.
Wet suits are used when we go Kayaking, the kids never go further out than the crowstone and then paddle along parallel with the beach I will go out about 12 foot more and stay slightly behind them, they also have lifejackets and helmets on.

They were taught to swim early, they do swin off Southend with just swimsuits but have also been taught to swim fully clothed, it may sound strange but not when you think if you fall in to a lake of river when your not expecting it you are going to be fully dressed and not in swimming gear.
[quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..[/p][/quote]My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.[/p][/quote]My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....[/p][/quote]No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them. They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.[/p][/quote]Wear wet suites?[/p][/quote]I have dyslexia ko Guess your 100% perfict all the time never make a mistake, Get over yourself[/p][/quote]I am certainly not criticising your spelling that is not the sort of thing I would ever think of doing:; anyway my spelling is quite awful at the best of times. Thank goodness for spell check. I in fact was remarking on the wearing of wetsuits, (which in fact I think is indeed as you wrote it correctly as one word) for a day on the beach and going swimming or maybe I have jumped the gun and your youngsters are sailboarders or surfers. It just seems a little over the top just for swimming but there again times have changed. I have never used one myself.[/p][/quote]Wet suits are used when we go Kayaking, the kids never go further out than the crowstone and then paddle along parallel with the beach I will go out about 12 foot more and stay slightly behind them, they also have lifejackets and helmets on. They were taught to swim early, they do swin off Southend with just swimsuits but have also been taught to swim fully clothed, it may sound strange but not when you think if you fall in to a lake of river when your not expecting it you are going to be fully dressed and not in swimming gear. Max Impact

7:42pm Wed 5 Sep 12

God Almighty says...

A helmet in a kayak? What's that for? In case the sky falls on their heads?!
A helmet in a kayak? What's that for? In case the sky falls on their heads?! God Almighty

8:31pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Max Impact says...

God Almighty wrote:
A helmet in a kayak? What's that for? In case the sky falls on their heads?!
Roll overs in the shallows, brats who lob stones better to have protection than a gash on the head.
[quote][p][bold]God Almighty[/bold] wrote: A helmet in a kayak? What's that for? In case the sky falls on their heads?![/p][/quote]Roll overs in the shallows, brats who lob stones better to have protection than a gash on the head. Max Impact

8:53pm Wed 5 Sep 12

God Almighty says...

Fair enough!
Fair enough! God Almighty

8:56pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Broadwaywatch says...

Max Impact wrote:
Broadwaywatch wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Broadwaywatch wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..
My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.
My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....
No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them. They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.
Wear wet suites?
I have dyslexia ko Guess your 100% perfict all the time never make a mistake, Get over yourself
I am certainly not criticising your spelling that is not the sort of thing I would ever think of doing:; anyway my spelling is quite awful at the best of times. Thank goodness for spell check. I in fact was remarking on the wearing of wetsuits, (which in fact I think is indeed as you wrote it correctly as one word) for a day on the beach and going swimming or maybe I have jumped the gun and your youngsters are sailboarders or surfers. It just seems a little over the top just for swimming but there again times have changed. I have never used one myself.
Wet suits are used when we go Kayaking, the kids never go further out than the crowstone and then paddle along parallel with the beach I will go out about 12 foot more and stay slightly behind them, they also have lifejackets and helmets on.

They were taught to swim early, they do swin off Southend with just swimsuits but have also been taught to swim fully clothed, it may sound strange but not when you think if you fall in to a lake of river when your not expecting it you are going to be fully dressed and not in swimming gear.
All this might seem a little extreme by some, me included but so saying I used to teach such in the army for a short while as an outward bound instructor in Norway. But that was in the Army not a day out within the boundaries of the Crowstone. However, one can’t justly criticize your said devotion towards the safety of your children.
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: Perhaps people should consider how grateful they'd be if it were their own children/grandchildr en/brother/sister... ..[/p][/quote]My kids would be supervised, and I would imagine most of the parents on here would supervise their kids and not take their eyes off them for one second.[/p][/quote]My children also. But nature (being what it is!) can catch *anybody* out at *any* time. Children drown in swimming pools even when manned by lifeguards. Unlike the sea, your argument holds little water....[/p][/quote]No as both my Wife and I will be there, I know how to bring a child up and that they have to be watched, watched closely, they can all swim (apart from the baby) they only go into the sea if one of us is the other will stay with the other kids. They have had it drilled into them that only two can go into the water ant anyone time and unlike the ferial kids mine have respect for their parents and will do as wel tell them. They know not to go into the water if it is rough, not to go in soon after eating, they check the temprature and wear wetsuits and have a whistle with them to attract help if needed so far th whistle has never been blown.[/p][/quote]Wear wet suites?[/p][/quote]I have dyslexia ko Guess your 100% perfict all the time never make a mistake, Get over yourself[/p][/quote]I am certainly not criticising your spelling that is not the sort of thing I would ever think of doing:; anyway my spelling is quite awful at the best of times. Thank goodness for spell check. I in fact was remarking on the wearing of wetsuits, (which in fact I think is indeed as you wrote it correctly as one word) for a day on the beach and going swimming or maybe I have jumped the gun and your youngsters are sailboarders or surfers. It just seems a little over the top just for swimming but there again times have changed. I have never used one myself.[/p][/quote]Wet suits are used when we go Kayaking, the kids never go further out than the crowstone and then paddle along parallel with the beach I will go out about 12 foot more and stay slightly behind them, they also have lifejackets and helmets on. They were taught to swim early, they do swin off Southend with just swimsuits but have also been taught to swim fully clothed, it may sound strange but not when you think if you fall in to a lake of river when your not expecting it you are going to be fully dressed and not in swimming gear.[/p][/quote]All this might seem a little extreme by some, me included but so saying I used to teach such in the army for a short while as an outward bound instructor in Norway. But that was in the Army not a day out within the boundaries of the Crowstone. However, one can’t justly criticize your said devotion towards the safety of your children. Broadwaywatch

9:31pm Wed 5 Sep 12

God Almighty says...

Well said Broadwaywatch, although as we sailors say, you can drown in a few inches of water so old Max is actually doing all the right things. Shame the people who drowned in Gairloch a couple of weeks ago didn't do the same. It was reported in the press that they were in a six man canoe. They weren't (I was there last week), it was a standard 2 man Canadian canoe, a river boat completely unsuitable for use at sea (no buoyancy etc) so they were overcrowded in an unsuitable boat with no lifejackets on, a recipe for disaster. Keep up the good work Max.
Well said Broadwaywatch, although as we sailors say, you can drown in a few inches of water so old Max is actually doing all the right things. Shame the people who drowned in Gairloch a couple of weeks ago didn't do the same. It was reported in the press that they were in a six man canoe. They weren't (I was there last week), it was a standard 2 man Canadian canoe, a river boat completely unsuitable for use at sea (no buoyancy etc) so they were overcrowded in an unsuitable boat with no lifejackets on, a recipe for disaster. Keep up the good work Max. God Almighty

11:09pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Max Impact says...

God Almighty wrote:
Well said Broadwaywatch, although as we sailors say, you can drown in a few inches of water so old Max is actually doing all the right things. Shame the people who drowned in Gairloch a couple of weeks ago didn't do the same. It was reported in the press that they were in a six man canoe. They weren't (I was there last week), it was a standard 2 man Canadian canoe, a river boat completely unsuitable for use at sea (no buoyancy etc) so they were overcrowded in an unsuitable boat with no lifejackets on, a recipe for disaster. Keep up the good work Max.
Ta

Having lost friends at work I take every possible precaution that I can, because I want to go home at night, I don't want my wife to have to tell my kids Daddys not coming home... ever.
[quote][p][bold]God Almighty[/bold] wrote: Well said Broadwaywatch, although as we sailors say, you can drown in a few inches of water so old Max is actually doing all the right things. Shame the people who drowned in Gairloch a couple of weeks ago didn't do the same. It was reported in the press that they were in a six man canoe. They weren't (I was there last week), it was a standard 2 man Canadian canoe, a river boat completely unsuitable for use at sea (no buoyancy etc) so they were overcrowded in an unsuitable boat with no lifejackets on, a recipe for disaster. Keep up the good work Max.[/p][/quote]Ta Having lost friends at work I take every possible precaution that I can, because I want to go home at night, I don't want my wife to have to tell my kids Daddys not coming home... ever. Max Impact

12:12am Thu 6 Sep 12

Alec Cikes says...

Common sense. Tides come in, tides go out according to the law of physics. If you don't know what the tides are doing (as bait diggers), have a look at the tide tables.
The Jetty Anglers along the front will always be in the know & could tell you the high tides, etc, also depending on the seasons.
Don't forget that we lose more light in the evenings after the 15th Aug... the moon's pull could be stronger.
Get yourselves informed & take care.
Common sense. Tides come in, tides go out according to the law of physics. If you don't know what the tides are doing (as bait diggers), have a look at the tide tables. The Jetty Anglers along the front will always be in the know & could tell you the high tides, etc, also depending on the seasons. Don't forget that we lose more light in the evenings after the 15th Aug... the moon's pull could be stronger. Get yourselves informed & take care. Alec Cikes

12:23am Thu 6 Sep 12

Alec Cikes says...

If we're talking about the summer months for swimmers in the sea, as I say, we lose more light in the evenings after the 15th Aug & the moon's pull will be much stronger.
Lie on a beach one evening for a couple of hours as we're approaching Sept, and you'll hear the strong pull. Take heed. Watch the boats, are they heading towards London or Shoebury ? that will also give u an indication as to what the tide is doing... going in or out.
For those who hold an interest, why not do some research by the beach & publish your findings on this site !
If we're talking about the summer months for swimmers in the sea, as I say, we lose more light in the evenings after the 15th Aug & the moon's pull will be much stronger. Lie on a beach one evening for a couple of hours as we're approaching Sept, and you'll hear the strong pull. Take heed. Watch the boats, are they heading towards London or Shoebury ? that will also give u an indication as to what the tide is doing... going in or out. For those who hold an interest, why not do some research by the beach & publish your findings on this site ! Alec Cikes

2:01pm Thu 6 Sep 12

God Almighty says...

The Moon's pull will be stronger after September 15th and you can hear it? I've sailed these waters for 50 years and I've never heard such a load of old codswallop. Did you forget to take your pills this morning?
The Moon's pull will be stronger after September 15th and you can hear it? I've sailed these waters for 50 years and I've never heard such a load of old codswallop. Did you forget to take your pills this morning? God Almighty

9:50pm Thu 6 Sep 12

God Almighty says...

AC I'm still waiting to hear how you can 'hear' the tide is stronger after 15th Sept. Are you seriously suggesting that because the nights get longer the moon must be pulling at the tides for longer? Never laughed so much in my life! Can't be bothered to explain why you are so wrong, anyone who could dream up an idea like that hasn't got a lot of grey matter. Bet you beieve in UFOs and the fantasy fairy in the sky and the lunar landing conspiracy too! Ha ha, ho ho, he he!
AC I'm still waiting to hear how you can 'hear' the tide is stronger after 15th Sept. Are you seriously suggesting that because the nights get longer the moon must be pulling at the tides for longer? Never laughed so much in my life! Can't be bothered to explain why you are so wrong, anyone who could dream up an idea like that hasn't got a lot of grey matter. Bet you beieve in UFOs and the fantasy fairy in the sky and the lunar landing conspiracy too! Ha ha, ho ho, he he! God Almighty

12:13am Fri 7 Sep 12

Alec Cikes says...

GodAlmighty, Watch the boats day and night.. what do they do?
Lie on the beaches at night.. and see what the tides do after the 15th Aug... providing you don't put in your ear plugs in, you should be able to witness a change in the pull.
GodAlmighty, Watch the boats day and night.. what do they do? Lie on the beaches at night.. and see what the tides do after the 15th Aug... providing you don't put in your ear plugs in, you should be able to witness a change in the pull. Alec Cikes

12:17am Fri 7 Sep 12

Alec Cikes says...

I'm not in the land of fairies, but you could quite be, And if you have other theories, I'd be more than happy to hear them. Physics are physics.
I'm not in the land of fairies, but you could quite be, And if you have other theories, I'd be more than happy to hear them. Physics are physics. Alec Cikes

2:03am Fri 7 Sep 12

God Almighty says...

And you know nothing whatsoever about physics sunshine! Laughable! I've been out there on the water at all hours of the day and night, I know the sea and how the tides work round here like the back of my hand, and I'm an amateur astronomer to boot, and I can tell you, quite sincerely, that you ARE off with the fairies (or a bit drunk). On 16th Sept we have a peak spring tide due when the high tide will be a tad higher and the low a tad lower. This is because the moon and the sun are both lined up with the earth (new moon) and pulling together (full moon is similar). A week later there will be a Neap tide when the sun and moon will be at 90 degrees to each other (relative to earth) so the pull is not so great so the high tide will be somewhat lower and the low tide will be higher. Got that? This pattern of a two weekly cycle of Spring and Neap tides repeats ad infinitum, nothing whatsoever to do with night and day or seasonality although it is modified by atmospheric pressure. Shall I explain that to you too?
And you know nothing whatsoever about physics sunshine! Laughable! I've been out there on the water at all hours of the day and night, I know the sea and how the tides work round here like the back of my hand, and I'm an amateur astronomer to boot, and I can tell you, quite sincerely, that you ARE off with the fairies (or a bit drunk). On 16th Sept we have a peak spring tide due when the high tide will be a tad higher and the low a tad lower. This is because the moon and the sun are both lined up with the earth (new moon) and pulling together (full moon is similar). A week later there will be a Neap tide when the sun and moon will be at 90 degrees to each other (relative to earth) so the pull is not so great so the high tide will be somewhat lower and the low tide will be higher. Got that? This pattern of a two weekly cycle of Spring and Neap tides repeats ad infinitum, nothing whatsoever to do with night and day or seasonality although it is modified by atmospheric pressure. Shall I explain that to you too? God Almighty

11:59am Fri 7 Sep 12

God Almighty says...

Wot no response? I'm still waiting to hear more about your theory that you made up all by yourself in your tiny little brain to explain the tides! LMFAO
Wot no response? I'm still waiting to hear more about your theory that you made up all by yourself in your tiny little brain to explain the tides! LMFAO God Almighty

2:13pm Sat 8 Sep 12

God Almighty says...

Still waiting for your response. I'm dying to know which laws of physics you are going to use to explain your looney tunes theories, ha ha!
Still waiting for your response. I'm dying to know which laws of physics you are going to use to explain your looney tunes theories, ha ha! God Almighty

1:46am Sun 9 Sep 12

Alec Cikes says...

God Almighty, I consider you to be an uncooth part of society.
Live with your so-called numpty brain and your numpty theories! You don't portray as someone having much knowledge or style. Stick to your own.
God Almighty, I consider you to be an uncooth part of society. Live with your so-called numpty brain and your numpty theories! You don't portray as someone having much knowledge or style. Stick to your own. Alec Cikes

8:34pm Sun 9 Sep 12

God Almighty says...

Ha ha! Like your opinion counts, not. You can't even write coherent English you muppet.
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If you want to know the truth about how the tides work all you have to do is look at the tide tables (unless you are going to do an ET and deny the tide tables exist and refuse to look at them unless I send you a link, ho ho!).
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The first Sping tides after the 15th Sept reach their peak on the 18th Sept when the high tide is 6.14 metres and the low tide is 0.65 metres. If your childish ideas are correct the tides should continue to get higher after that BUT THEY DON'T.
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The following week the Neap tides reach their peak on 25th Sept with a very low high tide of 4.85m and a low tide of 1.23m, and this pattern of high highs, low lows (Spring tides) and low highs, high lows (Neap tides) continues in a two week cycle ad infinitum regardless of whether it's summer, winter or fall or whether you can see the moon or not. Got that dodo?
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ps where did you get your physics degree cos you should demand your money back! Ha ha!
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I must thank the Echo, until I found this website I never realised how many truly stupid people there are out there. Care in the community has a lot ot answer for.
Ha ha! Like your opinion counts, not. You can't even write coherent English you muppet. . If you want to know the truth about how the tides work all you have to do is look at the tide tables (unless you are going to do an ET and deny the tide tables exist and refuse to look at them unless I send you a link, ho ho!). . The first Sping tides after the 15th Sept reach their peak on the 18th Sept when the high tide is 6.14 metres and the low tide is 0.65 metres. If your childish ideas are correct the tides should continue to get higher after that BUT THEY DON'T. . The following week the Neap tides reach their peak on 25th Sept with a very low high tide of 4.85m and a low tide of 1.23m, and this pattern of high highs, low lows (Spring tides) and low highs, high lows (Neap tides) continues in a two week cycle ad infinitum regardless of whether it's summer, winter or fall or whether you can see the moon or not. Got that dodo? . ps where did you get your physics degree cos you should demand your money back! Ha ha! . I must thank the Echo, until I found this website I never realised how many truly stupid people there are out there. Care in the community has a lot ot answer for. God Almighty

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