Cannabis factory found in Westcliff (From Echo)

God Almighty wrote:
Like you could really grow loads in a tiny little flat. Not. Brace yourselves for the bigots and trolls...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

God Almighty wrote:
Like you could really grow loads in a tiny little flat. Not. Brace yourselves for the bigots and trolls...

did you really like your comment that much that you had to give yourself 10 thumbs up?

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

God Almighty wrote: Like you could really grow loads in a tiny little flat. Not. Brace yourselves for the bigots and trolls...

did you really like your comment that much that you had to give yourself 10 thumbs up?

God Almighty wrote:
Like you could really grow loads in a tiny little flat. Not. Brace yourselves for the bigots and trolls...

Nebs wrote:

God Almighty wrote:
Like you could really grow loads in a tiny little flat. Not. Brace yourselves for the bigots and trolls...

as opposed to the druggie apologists.

King 'El wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

God Almighty wrote:
Like you could really grow loads in a tiny little flat. Not. Brace yourselves for the bigots and trolls...

did you really like your comment that much that you had to give yourself 10 thumbs up?

Why don't you try and get some of your thumbs down balanced out by giving yourself a few thumbs up asbo ? I'll give God a thumbs up to give him eleven. With so much popular support, I'm surprised Cannabis has not been legalised. I'm sure it will be soon. Now, thumbs up to God !

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

King 'El wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

God Almighty wrote:
Like you could really grow loads in a tiny little flat. Not. Brace yourselves for the bigots and trolls...

did you really like your comment that much that you had to give yourself 10 thumbs up?

Why don't you try and get some of your thumbs down balanced out by giving yourself a few thumbs up asbo ? I'll give God a thumbs up to give him eleven. With so much popular support, I'm surprised Cannabis has not been legalised. I'm sure it will be soon. Now, thumbs up to God !

what the old iq shrinker? not in your lifetime

King 'El wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

King 'El wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

God Almighty wrote: Like you could really grow loads in a tiny little flat. Not. Brace yourselves for the bigots and trolls...

did you really like your comment that much that you had to give yourself 10 thumbs up?

Why don't you try and get some of your thumbs down balanced out by giving yourself a few thumbs up asbo ? I'll give God a thumbs up to give him eleven. With so much popular support, I'm surprised Cannabis has not been legalised. I'm sure it will be soon. Now, thumbs up to God !

what the old iq shrinker? not in your lifetime

You've nothing to lose.

King 'El wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

King 'El wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

God Almighty wrote: Like you could really grow loads in a tiny little flat. Not. Brace yourselves for the bigots and trolls...

did you really like your comment that much that you had to give yourself 10 thumbs up?

Why don't you try and get some of your thumbs down balanced out by giving yourself a few thumbs up asbo ? I'll give God a thumbs up to give him eleven. With so much popular support, I'm surprised Cannabis has not been legalised. I'm sure it will be soon. Now, thumbs up to God !

what the old iq shrinker? not in your lifetime

You've nothing to lose.

God Almighty wrote:

King 'El wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

King 'El wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

God Almighty wrote: Like you could really grow loads in a tiny little flat. Not. Brace yourselves for the bigots and trolls...

did you really like your comment that much that you had to give yourself 10 thumbs up?

Why don't you try and get some of your thumbs down balanced out by giving yourself a few thumbs up asbo ? I'll give God a thumbs up to give him eleven. With so much popular support, I'm surprised Cannabis has not been legalised. I'm sure it will be soon. Now, thumbs up to God !

what the old iq shrinker? not in your lifetime

You've nothing to lose.

Ha ha! Thanks for the laugh King 'El. Too true, LMFAO
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Asbo, I never click on the thumbs up or thumbs down, I leave that to you.
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Nebs on a previously thread you said that you "trust the NHS mental health website". Shame you didn't read their conlusion that "the vast majority of cannabis users do not become unwell, just as the majority of people who drink alcohol in moderation never come to harm". Live and learn (if you can)

God Almighty wrote:
The level of intelligence displayed on this thread is appaling. King 'El excepted of course. Some of you have even seen the NHS view on cannabis - not physically addictive, not lethal etc - and yet you still rant and rave about it, no doubt before you pop down the pub for a quick fix of alcohol. No wonder this country is such a state.

V_is_back wrote:
I'd rather see a football crowd walk down the street that had had some cannabis, than a football crowd that had been drinking alcohol.

SpaffSpiff84 wrote:
I think asbo is 1 of those people who has net curtains & rings the police alot

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

SpaffSpiff84 wrote: I think asbo is 1 of those people who has net curtains & rings the police alot

spiffspaff i'm gonna go easy on you...

SpaffSpiff84 wrote:
I think asbo is 1 of those people who has net curtains & rings the police alot

V_is_back wrote:

SpaffSpiff84 wrote:
I think asbo is 1 of those people who has net curtains & rings the police alot

I think he still lives with his mum.

God Almighty wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

SpaffSpiff84 wrote: I think asbo is 1 of those people who has net curtains & rings the police alot

spiffspaff i'm gonna go easy on you...

Be frightened SpiffSpaff, be very frightened...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

SpaffSpiff84 wrote:
I think asbo is 1 of those people who has net curtains & rings the police alot

I think he still lives with his mum.

is that really the best you got...?

jayman wrote:
California is banning medical use cannabis due to federal state law and its abuse under the 'medical' use definition, Belgium is restricting sales of cannabis and is looking to ban is sale outright.

the recent report shows what an awful drug it is and how it can harm young users.

the tide is turning against cannabis.

the only thing for the government next is to ban 'head shops' in the UK.

i don't think the legislation is too far away. ban the sale of drug related paraphernalia..

V_is_back wrote:

jayman wrote:
California is banning medical use cannabis due to federal state law and its abuse under the 'medical' use definition, Belgium is restricting sales of cannabis and is looking to ban is sale outright.

the recent report shows what an awful drug it is and how it can harm young users.

the tide is turning against cannabis.

the only thing for the government next is to ban 'head shops' in the UK.

i don't think the legislation is too far away. ban the sale of drug related paraphernalia..

Including lighters, ash trays, cigarette holders...

V_is_back wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

SpaffSpiff84 wrote:
I think asbo is 1 of those people who has net curtains & rings the police alot

I think he still lives with his mum.

is that really the best you got...?

Well we already established elsewhere you're a bit light in the shoes and go cruising for a bit of a thrill in remote car parks. It's no surprise you still live with mummy too.

jayman wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

jayman wrote:
California is banning medical use cannabis due to federal state law and its abuse under the 'medical' use definition, Belgium is restricting sales of cannabis and is looking to ban is sale outright.

the recent report shows what an awful drug it is and how it can harm young users.

the tide is turning against cannabis.

the only thing for the government next is to ban 'head shops' in the UK.

i don't think the legislation is too far away. ban the sale of drug related paraphernalia..

Including lighters, ash trays, cigarette holders...

i'm referring to grinders, hash pipes and cheap tacky Jamaican flags on the walls of dumpy shops for the attraction of naïve teenagers or simplistic adults who buy into this crap and couldn't hack life without it,

jayman wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

jayman wrote:
California is banning medical use cannabis due to federal state law and its abuse under the 'medical' use definition, Belgium is restricting sales of cannabis and is looking to ban is sale outright.

the recent report shows what an awful drug it is and how it can harm young users.

the tide is turning against cannabis.

the only thing for the government next is to ban 'head shops' in the UK.

i don't think the legislation is too far away. ban the sale of drug related paraphernalia..

Including lighters, ash trays, cigarette holders...

i'm referring to grinders, hash pipes and cheap tacky Jamaican flags on the walls of dumpy shops for the attraction of naïve teenagers or simplistic adults who buy into this crap and couldn't hack life without it,

V_is_back wrote:

jayman wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

jayman wrote:
California is banning medical use cannabis due to federal state law and its abuse under the 'medical' use definition, Belgium is restricting sales of cannabis and is looking to ban is sale outright.

the recent report shows what an awful drug it is and how it can harm young users.

the tide is turning against cannabis.

the only thing for the government next is to ban 'head shops' in the UK.

i don't think the legislation is too far away. ban the sale of drug related paraphernalia..

Including lighters, ash trays, cigarette holders...

i'm referring to grinders, hash pipes and cheap tacky Jamaican flags on the walls of dumpy shops for the attraction of naïve teenagers or simplistic adults who buy into this crap and couldn't hack life without it,

I'm referring to the drug that kills hundreds of thousands every year: tobacco.

Unless people ban that too, then railing against something like cannabis is nothing but hypocrisy.

jayman wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

jayman wrote:

V_is_back wrote:

jayman wrote:
California is banning medical use cannabis due to federal state law and its abuse under the 'medical' use definition, Belgium is restricting sales of cannabis and is looking to ban is sale outright.

the recent report shows what an awful drug it is and how it can harm young users.

the tide is turning against cannabis.

the only thing for the government next is to ban 'head shops' in the UK.

i don't think the legislation is too far away. ban the sale of drug related paraphernalia..

Including lighters, ash trays, cigarette holders...

i'm referring to grinders, hash pipes and cheap tacky Jamaican flags on the walls of dumpy shops for the attraction of naïve teenagers or simplistic adults who buy into this crap and couldn't hack life without it,

I'm referring to the drug that kills hundreds of thousands every year: tobacco.

Unless people ban that too, then railing against something like cannabis is nothing but hypocrisy.

yep... this world is full of hypocrisy..

it is naïve to think any different.

tobacco and alcohol harm its users yet the government tax it.

hypocrisy is everywhere, i suggest you get used to it in the same fashion that cannabis will never be legalised.

God Almighty wrote:
Edited from an article in The Independent: http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/world/

politics/calls-to-le

galise-cannabis-and-

ecstasy-2292485.html



The Global Commission on Drug Policy which includes the former UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan, the former chairman of the US Federal Reserve, Paul Volcker, the former US Secretary of State, George Shultz, Sir Richard Branson and the former presidents of Brazil, Mexico and Colombia have published a report that states “the war on drugs isn't working (and) never has worked“ and urged an "urgent" rethink of global drug policies, based on scientific evidence rather than political expediency.
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Their report notes that years of prohibition have resulted in a steady rise in the number of people regularly using drugs, which the UN currently estimates at around 250 million worldwide. Opiate use has grown by around 35 percent in the past decade, while world consumption of cocaine and cannabis has risen 27 and 8.5 percent respectively.
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Current laws leave this growing industry in the hands of criminals, resulting in spiralling violence all over the world. The Commission believes governments must now experiment with "legal regulation of drugs." "This recommendation applies especially to cannabis," reads the report "but we would also encourage other experiments in decriminalisation."
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Citing the success of liberal drug policies in countries such as Portugal, Holland and Australia, it recommends taking money spent on costly law enforcement campaigns and investing it instead in preventive drug education and treatment programmes proved to curb addiction rates and prevent health problems among users.
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"Overwhelming evidence from Europe, Canada and Australia now demonstrates the human and social benefits of treating drug addiction as a health rather than criminal justice problem," said co-author Ruth Dreifuss, the former Swiss president, at yesterday's launch of the report in New York. "These policies need to be adopted worldwide, with requisite changes to the international drug control conventions”.

God Almighty wrote:
Would you say that about wine connoisseurs? Thought not, so why do you say it about herb aficionados?
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Hollow and empty? I thought we had already established that is wrong. Your life may be hollow and empty, posting on here all day every day, you don't work, you drink, you hate anyone and everyone who has done better than you in life, you abhor anyone with professional qualifications, you are a conspiracy theorist who denies Neil Armstrong ever went to the moon, you are one sad person Asbo.

God Almighty wrote:
Edited from an article in The Independent: http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/world/

politics/calls-to-le

galise-cannabis-and-

ecstasy-2292485.html



The Global Commission on Drug Policy which includes the former UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan, the former chairman of the US Federal Reserve, Paul Volcker, the former US Secretary of State, George Shultz, Sir Richard Branson and the former presidents of Brazil, Mexico and Colombia have published a report that states “the war on drugs isn't working (and) never has worked“ and urged an "urgent" rethink of global drug policies, based on scientific evidence rather than political expediency.
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Their report notes that years of prohibition have resulted in a steady rise in the number of people regularly using drugs, which the UN currently estimates at around 250 million worldwide. Opiate use has grown by around 35 percent in the past decade, while world consumption of cocaine and cannabis has risen 27 and 8.5 percent respectively.
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Current laws leave this growing industry in the hands of criminals, resulting in spiralling violence all over the world. The Commission believes governments must now experiment with "legal regulation of drugs." "This recommendation applies especially to cannabis," reads the report "but we would also encourage other experiments in decriminalisation."
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Citing the success of liberal drug policies in countries such as Portugal, Holland and Australia, it recommends taking money spent on costly law enforcement campaigns and investing it instead in preventive drug education and treatment programmes proved to curb addiction rates and prevent health problems among users.
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"Overwhelming evidence from Europe, Canada and Australia now demonstrates the human and social benefits of treating drug addiction as a health rather than criminal justice problem," said co-author Ruth Dreifuss, the former Swiss president, at yesterday's launch of the report in New York. "These policies need to be adopted worldwide, with requisite changes to the international drug control conventions”.

God Almighty wrote:
Too true V.
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Wasted Asbo? How would you know, you know nothing whatsoever about the subject. Actually only the most potent Dutch strains do that, most varieties just give a gentle buzz, so gentle we can do anything we choose and you would never, ever know we'd had a joint. True.

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
now we know where you went wrong! http://www.telegraph .co.uk/health/health news/9426205/Cannabi s-smoking-permanentl y-lowers-IQ.html

God Almighty wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
now we know where you went wrong! http://www.telegraph .co.uk/health/health news/9426205/Cannabi s-smoking-permanentl y-lowers-IQ.html

As already commented, if you weren't so blinkered you would know there are loads of studies that say exactly the same thing about alcohol. The only solution is legalisation as we have seen in other countries that less youngsters toke when it is legal.

rodgdodge wrote:
As the father of a former skunk smoker/grower( now 35 years old), who is now permanently brain-damaged and on anti-psychotic medication for Life.
The debate on legalisation ect, needs to be informed on the damage this drug does to the individual, their families and society.
Many users go on ( because the drug supplier, frequently supplies other drugs as well!!) to use ` harder drugs, crack,cocaine, LSD
, heroin ect.
To finance these, the user often has to resort to criminal activity, causing other people suffering ( burglary, robbery and shop-lifting ect).
The costs of which are claimed off insurance ( if they have it), thus putting up the costs of insurance generally, causing unnecessary inflation and thus reducing society in general`s, standards of living.
In contrast, tobacco price increase, reduces use? but also means that people will live longer, but this living longer means that society(Government?) has to provide finances and accommodation to more and more elderly, which we are told is becoming more hard to finance.
So what about reducing tobacco tax, so that more people die younger and not becoming a `burden` on society?!!

SpaffSpiff84 wrote:
Sorry but i've never met or even met somebody who has even heard of somebody having problems due to smoking cannabis. It's so rare i can't even take it seriously, thousands of people every year are diagnosed with mental health problems who have never touched drugs. I get annoyed with anti-weed parents who insist their son/daughters problems are due to cannabis, it's easy to blame weed, weed can't argue back

God Almighty wrote:

SpaffSpiff84 wrote:
Sorry but i've never met or even met somebody who has even heard of somebody having problems due to smoking cannabis. It's so rare i can't even take it seriously, thousands of people every year are diagnosed with mental health problems who have never touched drugs. I get annoyed with anti-weed parents who insist their son/daughters problems are due to cannabis, it's easy to blame weed, weed can't argue back

Too true. It is clear that a small minority have problems with weed/herb/dope (call it what you want Asbo) but it is a tiny minority. Where are all the cannabis casualties clogging up Southend hospital? Answer, there aren't any whereas one in four or five beds is taken by someone who is there because of alcohol. Get your facts in perspective! A tiny minority also have problems with coffee, bee stings, peanut butter, glass doors and paracetomol. Perhaps we ought to ban all them too!

God Almighty wrote:
"most of the people who started smoking weed/herb/dope are currently clogging up Basildon assessment unit, rochford and runwell hospitals".
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What utter tripe! The Govt has been doing annual surveys of young people since the 70s which say that somewhere between a third and two thirds of young people smoke or have smoked weed. If they all needed hospital treatment, like you claim, you wouldn't be able to get near the hospitals for cannabis casualties. Complete rubbish.
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Southend residents would have to go to Southend Psych Dept for their initial assesment. The figures are available, last time I looked it was about 70 per annum most of whom just overdid things and only needed to chill out, no lasting problems. Now look up the figures for alcohol.
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More people have problems with peanut butter, glass doors, paracetomol etc and I am sure you can find the alcohol stats for yourself - massive numbers! Get your facts right, our hospitals are NOT being overwhelmed with cannabis casualties. Fact! As someone else said not much common sense or intelligence coming from your keyboard.

God Almighty wrote:
Then I'm only just out of date cos Southend hospital certainly used to have a psych Dept when my Sis in Law was a senior nurse there.
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And you are the moron, show us the stats for cannabis casualties, go on I dare you. Also cannabis is not physically addictive...
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Lonsdale NHS Medical Centre
Drug Information
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“There is no conclusive evidence that moderate, long-term use of cannabis causes lasting damage to physical or mental health“.
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“There is no physical dependence associated with cannabis use. Regular users who stop smoking do not suffer withdrawal symptoms in the same way as with drugs like heroin“.
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Great Ormond Street Hospital
Drug advice for teenagers
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http://www.gosh.nhs.

uk/teenagers/general

-health-advice/menta

l-health/drugs/drugs

-a-z/cannabis/
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“There is some psychological dependence with cannabis (where there is a desire to keep taking the drug even in spite of possible harms) and this occurs in about 10% of users. There are no physical withdrawal symptoms from cannabis use“.
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Some weak minded people get addicted to chocolate, thats the same kind of people who get phsychologically addicted to cannabis. No problem for normal people.
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Do you know why most of us started toking in the sixties? Because cannabis doesn't turn people into dribbling imbeciles like alcohol, it doesn't kill and it doesn't stop people going about their normal everyday business. In other words it is the most benign recreational drug on earth. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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ps I bet you are in your 70s or 80s, either that or you are a social outcast,, you must be to hold such antiquated false ideas about cannabis.

God Almighty wrote:
HCA? That would explain why your spelling is so poor. Shame you didn't pay more attention at school then you could have got yourself a degree or three and had a long succesful professional career like me. Funny, I have always found that it's the more intelligent people who tend to be tokers - cannabis is almost part of the course at Uni - wheras the dumbos prefer drinking themselves to oblivion. Think about it.

God Almighty wrote:
You are the ignormaus sunshine but you're so thick you don't even know it. I didn't go to a University "of sorts", I went to a real Uni, three times. Beat that lame brain. And if you don't toke and you don't drink then you are the odd one out cos almost everyone on earth uses something, seems to part of the "humjan condition". And if you really work at Southend Hospital then you should be able to find the statistics for both cannabis and alcohol admissions so do tell us how many people are admitted for problems with them? Do tell, if you dare.

jayman wrote:

God Almighty wrote:
You are the ignormaus sunshine but you're so thick you don't even know it. I didn't go to a University "of sorts", I went to a real Uni, three times. Beat that lame brain. And if you don't toke and you don't drink then you are the odd one out cos almost everyone on earth uses something, seems to part of the "humjan condition". And if you really work at Southend Hospital then you should be able to find the statistics for both cannabis and alcohol admissions so do tell us how many people are admitted for problems with them? Do tell, if you dare.

I said I work in adult mental health rehabilitation, not in Southend hospital. though i did work at Southend hospital i cant see any relevance to this topic as its a general medical hospital,

as for cannabis, yes there is loads of data out there from official and trusted sources.

http://www.rcpsych.a

c.uk/mentalhealthinf

o/problems/alcoholan

ddrugs/cannabis.aspx



http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Effects_of_

cannabis.

quite well balanced reports and articles.

i once read a tinpot report on a pro cannabis website saying that cannabis cured cancer... WTF.

there is certainly a lot of misinformation out there. I suggest you revise your opinion.

cannabis is a harmful substance as in (it is not found as a compound in the human body and it is not a food or drink product. it affects the brain and causes mental illness.

jayman wrote:

God Almighty wrote: You are the ignormaus sunshine but you're so thick you don't even know it. I didn't go to a University "of sorts", I went to a real Uni, three times. Beat that lame brain. And if you don't toke and you don't drink then you are the odd one out cos almost everyone on earth uses something, seems to part of the "humjan condition". And if you really work at Southend Hospital then you should be able to find the statistics for both cannabis and alcohol admissions so do tell us how many people are admitted for problems with them? Do tell, if you dare.

I said I work in adult mental health rehabilitation, not in Southend hospital. though i did work at Southend hospital i cant see any relevance to this topic as its a general medical hospital, as for cannabis, yes there is loads of data out there from official and trusted sources. http://www.rcpsych.a c.uk/mentalhealthinf o/problems/alcoholan ddrugs/cannabis.aspx http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Effects_of_ cannabis. quite well balanced reports and articles. i once read a tinpot report on a pro cannabis website saying that cannabis cured cancer... WTF. there is certainly a lot of misinformation out there. I suggest you revise your opinion. cannabis is a harmful substance as in (it is not found as a compound in the human body and it is not a food or drink product. it affects the brain and causes mental illness.

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
jayman, keep saying it as it is. no-one here has more experience in this field than you. your knowledge and candour is appreciated.

God Almighty wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
jayman, keep saying it as it is. no-one here has more experience in this field than you. your knowledge and candour is appreciated.

Like you would know, not.
No point talking to bigots incapable of learning.

God Almighty wrote:

jayman wrote:

God Almighty wrote: You are the ignormaus sunshine but you're so thick you don't even know it. I didn't go to a University "of sorts", I went to a real Uni, three times. Beat that lame brain. And if you don't toke and you don't drink then you are the odd one out cos almost everyone on earth uses something, seems to part of the "humjan condition". And if you really work at Southend Hospital then you should be able to find the statistics for both cannabis and alcohol admissions so do tell us how many people are admitted for problems with them? Do tell, if you dare.

I said I work in adult mental health rehabilitation, not in Southend hospital. though i did work at Southend hospital i cant see any relevance to this topic as its a general medical hospital, as for cannabis, yes there is loads of data out there from official and trusted sources. http://www.rcpsych.a c.uk/mentalhealthinf o/problems/alcoholan ddrugs/cannabis.aspx http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Effects_of_ cannabis. quite well balanced reports and articles. i once read a tinpot report on a pro cannabis website saying that cannabis cured cancer... WTF. there is certainly a lot of misinformation out there. I suggest you revise your opinion. cannabis is a harmful substance as in (it is not found as a compound in the human body and it is not a food or drink product. it affects the brain and causes mental illness.

Wrong again, cannaboids ARE found in our bodies, in our brains.
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You are right, there is a lot of good info out there, don't you believe the NHS?
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Lonsdale NHS Medical Centre
Drug Information
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http://www.lonsdalem

edicalcentre.nhs.uk/

usefulinfo/content.a

sp?id=40
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“There is no conclusive evidence that moderate, long-term use of cannabis causes lasting damage to physical or mental health“.
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“There is no physical dependence associated with cannabis use. Regular users who stop smoking do not suffer withdrawal symptoms in the same way as with drugs like heroin“.
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Great Ormond Street Hospital
Drug advice for teenagers
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http://www.gosh.nhs.


uk/teenagers/general


-health-advice/menta


l-health/drugs/drugs


-a-z/cannabis/
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“There is some psychological dependence with cannabis (where there is a desire to keep taking the drug even in spite of possible harms) and this occurs in about 10% of users. There are no physical withdrawal symptoms from cannabis use“.
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From the Mental Healthcare website produced by the Institute of Psychiatry, Kings College London and South London & Maudsley NHS Trust.
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http://www.mentalhea

lthcare.org.uk/canna

bis
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"the vast majority of cannabis users do not become unwell, just as the majority of people who drink alcohol in moderation never come to harm".
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Or don't you believe the NHS and GOSH?
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Also see the Cambridge Uni cannabis study, says the incidence of mental health problems is about the same for cannabis as for alcohol, taking frequency of use etc into account. OK?
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Almost everyone I know has been toking since the 60s with NO problems whatsoever whereas all the drinkers I know are all fat, red faced zonks. .
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Stop copping out, what are the stats for cannabis admissions and alcohol admissions? Prove your assertions or are you all mouth and no trousers?

jayman wrote:

God Almighty wrote:

jayman wrote:

God Almighty wrote: You are the ignormaus sunshine but you're so thick you don't even know it. I didn't go to a University "of sorts", I went to a real Uni, three times. Beat that lame brain. And if you don't toke and you don't drink then you are the odd one out cos almost everyone on earth uses something, seems to part of the "humjan condition". And if you really work at Southend Hospital then you should be able to find the statistics for both cannabis and alcohol admissions so do tell us how many people are admitted for problems with them? Do tell, if you dare.

I said I work in adult mental health rehabilitation, not in Southend hospital. though i did work at Southend hospital i cant see any relevance to this topic as its a general medical hospital, as for cannabis, yes there is loads of data out there from official and trusted sources. http://www.rcpsych.a c.uk/mentalhealthinf o/problems/alcoholan ddrugs/cannabis.aspx http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Effects_of_ cannabis. quite well balanced reports and articles. i once read a tinpot report on a pro cannabis website saying that cannabis cured cancer... WTF. there is certainly a lot of misinformation out there. I suggest you revise your opinion. cannabis is a harmful substance as in (it is not found as a compound in the human body and it is not a food or drink product. it affects the brain and causes mental illness.

Wrong again, cannaboids ARE found in our bodies, in our brains. ; You are right, there is a lot of good info out there, don't you believe the NHS? . Lonsdale NHS Medical Centre Drug Information . http://www.lonsdalem edicalcentre.nhs.uk/ usefulinfo/content.a sp?id=40 . “There is no conclusive evidence that moderate, long-term use of cannabis causes lasting damage to physical or mental health“. . “There is no physical dependence associated with cannabis use. Regular users who stop smoking do not suffer withdrawal symptoms in the same way as with drugs like heroin“. . Great Ormond Street Hospital Drug advice for teenagers . http://www.gosh.nhs. uk/teenagers/general -health-advice/menta l-health/drugs/drugs -a-z/cannabis/ . “There is some psychological dependence with cannabis (where there is a desire to keep taking the drug even in spite of possible harms) and this occurs in about 10% of users. There are no physical withdrawal symptoms from cannabis use“. . From the Mental Healthcare website produced by the Institute of Psychiatry, Kings College London and South London & Maudsley NHS Trust. . http://www.mentalhea lthcare.org.uk/canna bis . "the vast majority of cannabis users do not become unwell, just as the majority of people who drink alcohol in moderation never come to harm". . Or don't you believe the NHS and GOSH? . Also see the Cambridge Uni cannabis study, says the incidence of mental health problems is about the same for cannabis as for alcohol, taking frequency of use etc into account. OK? . Almost everyone I know has been toking since the 60s with NO problems whatsoever whereas all the drinkers I know are all fat, red faced zonks. . . Stop copping out, what are the stats for cannabis admissions and alcohol admissions? Prove your assertions or are you all mouth and no trousers?

allow me to tell you a thing or two about published reports and studies into medicine, especially the ones you seem to be able to find on the internet. reports and studies they are peer reviewed. example, AK Watson (ABC) (DeF) (GH) it is found in my report that Lego is the best material to construct long span road bridges. the the supporting evidence for this report is flawed and mostly made-up. .... the science world dispute the findings on the grounds of something called and AK Watson is shunned by his colleges. his report, however remains on the internet without subsequent reference to the report being 'rubbished'. It is linked by lego enthusiast every time there is a thread about bridge construction..

God Almighty wrote:

jayman wrote:

God Almighty wrote:

jayman wrote:

God Almighty wrote: You are the ignormaus sunshine but you're so thick you don't even know it. I didn't go to a University "of sorts", I went to a real Uni, three times. Beat that lame brain. And if you don't toke and you don't drink then you are the odd one out cos almost everyone on earth uses something, seems to part of the "humjan condition". And if you really work at Southend Hospital then you should be able to find the statistics for both cannabis and alcohol admissions so do tell us how many people are admitted for problems with them? Do tell, if you dare.

I said I work in adult mental health rehabilitation, not in Southend hospital. though i did work at Southend hospital i cant see any relevance to this topic as its a general medical hospital, as for cannabis, yes there is loads of data out there from official and trusted sources. http://www.rcpsych.a c.uk/mentalhealthinf o/problems/alcoholan ddrugs/cannabis.aspx http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Effects_of_ cannabis. quite well balanced reports and articles. i once read a tinpot report on a pro cannabis website saying that cannabis cured cancer... WTF. there is certainly a lot of misinformation out there. I suggest you revise your opinion. cannabis is a harmful substance as in (it is not found as a compound in the human body and it is not a food or drink product. it affects the brain and causes mental illness.

Wrong again, cannaboids ARE found in our bodies, in our brains. ; You are right, there is a lot of good info out there, don't you believe the NHS? . Lonsdale NHS Medical Centre Drug Information . http://www.lonsdalem edicalcentre.nhs.uk/ usefulinfo/content.a sp?id=40 . “There is no conclusive evidence that moderate, long-term use of cannabis causes lasting damage to physical or mental health“. . “There is no physical dependence associated with cannabis use. Regular users who stop smoking do not suffer withdrawal symptoms in the same way as with drugs like heroin“. . Great Ormond Street Hospital Drug advice for teenagers . http://www.gosh.nhs. uk/teenagers/general -health-advice/menta l-health/drugs/drugs -a-z/cannabis/ . “There is some psychological dependence with cannabis (where there is a desire to keep taking the drug even in spite of possible harms) and this occurs in about 10% of users. There are no physical withdrawal symptoms from cannabis use“. . From the Mental Healthcare website produced by the Institute of Psychiatry, Kings College London and South London & Maudsley NHS Trust. . http://www.mentalhea lthcare.org.uk/canna bis . "the vast majority of cannabis users do not become unwell, just as the majority of people who drink alcohol in moderation never come to harm". . Or don't you believe the NHS and GOSH? . Also see the Cambridge Uni cannabis study, says the incidence of mental health problems is about the same for cannabis as for alcohol, taking frequency of use etc into account. OK? . Almost everyone I know has been toking since the 60s with NO problems whatsoever whereas all the drinkers I know are all fat, red faced zonks. . . Stop copping out, what are the stats for cannabis admissions and alcohol admissions? Prove your assertions or are you all mouth and no trousers?

allow me to tell you a thing or two about published reports and studies into medicine, especially the ones you seem to be able to find on the internet. reports and studies they are peer reviewed. example, AK Watson (ABC) (DeF) (GH) it is found in my report that Lego is the best material to construct long span road bridges. the the supporting evidence for this report is flawed and mostly made-up. .... the science world dispute the findings on the grounds of something called and AK Watson is shunned by his colleges. his report, however remains on the internet without subsequent reference to the report being 'rubbished'. It is linked by lego enthusiast every time there is a thread about bridge construction..

If you had gone to uni the first thing you would have learnt is how to analyse and assess academic reports. So are you seriously saying that you disbelieve the NHS Mental Health website or Great Ormond Street Hospital? If you are then you are truly stupid. Facts are facts.

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
although for someone to insist on precise grammar but to be so imprecise with the truth themselves is frankly beyond me

God Almighty wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
although for someone to insist on precise grammar but to be so imprecise with the truth themselves is frankly beyond me

Where exactly am I imprecise with the truth you old troll? In case you haven't noticed I only comment on subjects I actually know something about, unlike you.

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

God Almighty wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote: although for someone to insist on precise grammar but to be so imprecise with the truth themselves is frankly beyond me

Where exactly am I imprecise with the truth you old troll? In case you haven't noticed I only comment on subjects I actually know something about, unlike you.

yes i hadn't noticed

God Almighty wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

God Almighty wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote: although for someone to insist on precise grammar but to be so imprecise with the truth themselves is frankly beyond me

Where exactly am I imprecise with the truth you old troll? In case you haven't noticed I only comment on subjects I actually know something about, unlike you.

yes i hadn't noticed

Well you wouldn't notice that you know nothing about certain subjects would you, you are driven by prejudice and bigotry, not science and experience.

Amatteroftime wrote:
So much hatred for a plant that grows naturally on the planet. I wonder if anyone really knows why it is illegal? Nothing to do with mental health, purely politically and economically motivated. Its been used in chinese medicine for around 4000 years as a way to reduce cramps, pain relief and relaxation purposes. Queen Mary used it to aliveate Mentrual cramps and up until the 1930's it was grown in america legally, only when the Marajuana tax came in did it stop. The research on the substance is never actually followed, hence why Tony Blair sacked his Drug advisor when he told him Cannabis should be downgraded. If you are against it fair enough, but dont call me and others like me, a dope smoking ignorant druggie or any other such misrepresentation. I work hard, i am an inteligent caring individual that happens to enjoy a smoke, i cause no harm to anyone else and it is debateable how much damage i cause myself, so get off your high horse and stop thinking you are better than anyone cos i assure you you are the same ignorant bigots that talk talk talk without having an openmind. Go drink your drug and i hope you dont get addicted to it, as i will never get addicted to mine hypocrits!

Purple Om 89-91 wrote:
My belief is, a drug itself isn't good or bad, or safe or dangerous...only the use to which it is put and the resulting outcome can be judged good or bad, safe or dangerous.
I consider chronic alcohol abuse to have a very negative effect on society but if I have an occasional glass of wine with my dinner I consider that OK, likewise if a surgeon uses alcohol to clean and sterilize a wound or surgical instrument the alcohol is being used to positive effect.
Same with knives, vehicles, wealth and power...all can be used or misused.
Drugs can be used responsibly to positive effect. I can't accept that something should be prohibited because some irresponsible people happen to misuse those things to the detriment of society. Cases of drink-driving occur, alcohol isn't prohibited, vehicles aren't prohibited.

The law should be there to deal with the mis-users, not to make criminals of the majority of responsible users.

In addition I don't believe the state should have jurisdiction over what someone chooses to put into their own body.

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

God Almighty wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

God Almighty wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote: although for someone to insist on precise grammar but to be so imprecise with the truth themselves is frankly beyond me

Where exactly am I imprecise with the truth you old troll? In case you haven't noticed I only comment on subjects I actually know something about, unlike you.

yes i hadn't noticed

Well you wouldn't notice that you know nothing about certain subjects would you, you are driven by prejudice and bigotry, not science and experience.

by science you mean your dusty out of date links and by experience you mean i'm not dependent on a dirty roll-up and my brain hasn't been addled through years of drug abuse?

God Almighty wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

God Almighty wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

God Almighty wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote: although for someone to insist on precise grammar but to be so imprecise with the truth themselves is frankly beyond me

Where exactly am I imprecise with the truth you old troll? In case you haven't noticed I only comment on subjects I actually know something about, unlike you.

yes i hadn't noticed

Well you wouldn't notice that you know nothing about certain subjects would you, you are driven by prejudice and bigotry, not science and experience.

by science you mean your dusty out of date links and by experience you mean i'm not dependent on a dirty roll-up and my brain hasn't been addled through years of drug abuse?

You could have fooled me, your posts are pure ignorance and bile whereas mine are reasoned arguments and real facts. Only one person round here has an addled brain and it certainly isn't me sunshine.

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

Purple Om 89-91 wrote: My belief is, a drug itself isn't good or bad, or safe or dangerous...only the use to which it is put and the resulting outcome can be judged good or bad, safe or dangerous. I consider chronic alcohol abuse to have a very negative effect on society but if I have an occasional glass of wine with my dinner I consider that OK, likewise if a surgeon uses alcohol to clean and sterilize a wound or surgical instrument the alcohol is being used to positive effect. Same with knives, vehicles, wealth and power...all can be used or misused. Drugs can be used responsibly to positive effect. I can't accept that something should be prohibited because some irresponsible people happen to misuse those things to the detriment of society. Cases of drink-driving occur, alcohol isn't prohibited, vehicles aren't prohibited. The law should be there to deal with the mis-users, not to make criminals of the majority of responsible users. In addition I don't believe the state should have jurisdiction over what someone chooses to put into their own body.

deal with it or emigrate somewhere more tolerant.

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

God Almighty wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

God Almighty wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:

God Almighty wrote:

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote: although for someone to insist on precise grammar but to be so imprecise with the truth themselves is frankly beyond me

Where exactly am I imprecise with the truth you old troll? In case you haven't noticed I only comment on subjects I actually know something about, unlike you.

yes i hadn't noticed

Well you wouldn't notice that you know nothing about certain subjects would you, you are driven by prejudice and bigotry, not science and experience.

by science you mean your dusty out of date links and by experience you mean i'm not dependent on a dirty roll-up and my brain hasn't been addled through years of drug abuse?

You could have fooled me, your posts are pure ignorance and bile whereas mine are reasoned arguments and real facts. Only one person round here has an addled brain and it certainly isn't me sunshine.

your posts don't stand up to any scrutiny. you have no respect around here (which is a shame) excepting the odd few drooling, cannabis search-engine fuster-cluckers (dependents). grow up - you're of pensionable age ffs.

Son of stropmag wrote:
@God Almighty: I think your comment about the under 65s is very true. I look forward to a cultural shift in attitudes to cannabis use but fear it will not happen in the UK in my life time (I'm approaching 60 yrs of age). I hope I'm wrong about the timescale but fear that ignorance and misunderstanding will deprive me of the realisation of a vision of a world of responsible toking. 'Responsible' being the operative word just as it should be with alcohol.

God Almighty wrote:
Not a chance matey, lots of good strong genes here. Sorry you don't have the same advantage.

God Almighty wrote:
So who is addicted to cancer sticks? Not me.
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So what are these "cancer sticks" you speak of? If you mean tobacco I'm afraid you are a little mistaken. Don't misunderstand (as you usually do), I'm not saying tobacco doesn't cause cancer as we know it can but as so often happens the public perception doesn't match up to the medical evidence. The vast majority of smokers do NOT get cancer. If they did there would be hardly anyone alive today over 50 as most people smoked in the 50s, 60s and 70s. Truth is the majority of people who smoke and get cancer have a faulty gene that most people don't have. Same is true for almost everyone who gets cancer from passive smoking. As a Doctor once told me, some people can smoke all their lives with no damage (my Father did, smoked a pipe until he died in his late eighties after a nasty fall, not tobacco related) and most people don't cause significant damage until they have smoked quarter of a million or so cigarettes. In truth most damage caused by tobacco is not cancer but emphysema and blocked arteries, so tobacco is harmful and best avoided but the real risks are often distorted by the media. And people like you who think they know it all but really know nothing.

God Almighty wrote:
You can read me like a book? Ha ha! No you can't, you are the worst judge of character I have ever come across, must be that huge chip on your shoulders because you were born such a sad little troll.