Fury as Thorney Bay homes are approved (From Echo)

Angry storming out, well that should do the trick!

Wasn't it a foregone conclusion? Let me think now - oh yes, multi-millionaire canveyite Jeff King and the local council. No surprises there then!

The entire basis for their 'objections' has no basis on reality.

The objections are twofold, one that it will lead to more traffic and two that it's dangeours for people to live there.

Well, I would say that one house would take up the space of at least two caravans so i'd actually think the change in number of residents it allows for will actually stay pretty much the same unless they're planning on building flats.

Secondly, there are already people living there so the danger issue is a moot point!

Personally, I welcome the move because the unemployed desirables that currently occupy the caravan park have seen crime in that area go up quite a lot so replacing them with family homes will hopefully see these thieving bums located elsewhere!

Norman Smith, Tory councillor for Boyce ward in Benfleet , said: “.. houses with walls and gardens are the correct place to house people...”
Great, can we assume you will be voting against any future applications for flats anwhere in your area.

wasnt there a story a while back that more kids were needed at Canvey schools???

Then when houses are mentioned, people of a sudden use the schools as a weapon to dispute the plans.

Do the schools need more children or not ??

Guess which ex labour cllr, now in the CIIP, who designated this land at Thorney Bay for long term residential use in 1998?

If one area of land is prime for development in Castle Point surly its the land at the bottom of Church Hill, between Church Road and the A127 in Thundersley. There could be direct access onto the A127 and the A130, and as far as I am aware the land used to be plot land. To build yet more houses on Canvey is utter madness.

600 new houses to be built on Canvey, I am now totally convinced that this council is on a different planet, 600 new houses will mean a minimum of 600 plus cars but of course it will be suggested that Jeff King will pay £18.5 million to complete the link of Roscommon Way (The road to nowhere) which according to Ray Howard will be the answer to all Canvey’s traffic problems. Anyone with a atom of common sense knows that all traffic converges at Waterside Roundabout, the only exit from the Island.

Big deal, Jeff King plans to build a Care Home, I would imagine this will be right next to the Gas Storage Terminal.

When the Methane terminal was in use which was stored underground there was a blanket restriction on all building within a 1.5 km radius of the terminal, now the Calor Gas plant which is stored above ground which poses a far greater risk to residents. Houses already border this plant.

Why will the council not reveal what is stored in the Oikos complex, probably because it would cause mass panic in the event of a accident or spillage, quite a few tanks contain aviation fuel, remember Buncefield.

Councilor Norman Smith who lives in Benfleet said it would be better for the occupants of caravans to live in houses with walls and gardens, not inferior caravans, would he care to explain to the occupants of these caravans how they can buy one of these new houses as the majority are on benefit and the reason they live in these caravans is because they cannot afford to rent houses let alone buy.

Now is the time for the residents of Canvey Island to stand up and be counted and have their say and demand another exit road is built and the infrastructure updated, until then NO MORE HOUSES .

Im all for a few new homes going up as long as they are affordable for renting to stop the amounts we have to pay for private rfenting eg 1 bedroom around £550- £600 pcm and more for bigger properties, They should be made available for all ,not having to have loads of kids to get a home, every family on Canvey should have the option even if they have no kids or 2 or more. Orc is it another scam idea to make homes fpr 1st time buyers only? and lets face it not many will be helped by the banks etc.As far as safetly . Does it really matter where you live on the Island after all if the refineries went up they would take Canvey out anyay

Don't know why every one's getting a bee in the bonnet about this. The council had zero grounds for refusal - Cameron and Osborne have seen to that.

As to endangering life by building there, what an utter load of codswallop. All that's been agreed is the principle to develop the site with the detail to be thrashed out later. The development exclusion zone (cordon sanitaire) hasn't gone away and is sure to be enforced by the HSE at the full planning application stage.

What has been removed is the obligation to provide affordable homes (by the government). This means the development is unlikely to ease the dire shortage of affordable homes for local people and will in fact probably create more homeless families in the borough. The people displaced from the vans will have to go somewhere won't they.

Rather than throwing another silly hissy-fit the independent councillors should have been addressing these issues.

Their childishness does them no credit and has let us all down.

AndyBSG wrote:
The entire basis for their 'objections' has no basis on reality.

The objections are twofold, one that it will lead to more traffic and two that it's dangeours for people to live there.

Well, I would say that one house would take up the space of at least two caravans so i'd actually think the change in number of residents it allows for will actually stay pretty much the same unless they're planning on building flats.

Secondly, there are already people living there so the danger issue is a moot point!

Personally, I welcome the move because the unemployed desirables that currently occupy the caravan park have seen crime in that area go up quite a lot so replacing them with family homes will hopefully see these thieving bums located elsewhere!

If you think you hare going to get houses with gardens think again. Housesh were in the Borough Plan (50) for the whole of the industrial area at the Point. On three fifths of the site Canvey Supply want to put 89 flats and 16 houses. That is the new plan as the residents objected to the number of flats. Result the new plans show a decrease of 4 houses and an increase of 3 flats.
So your are going to be dumped on Thorney Bay with 550 plus flats and a few houses.
And who says that better people than are alleged to live on Thorney Bay will fill them? Most probably they will just be rehoused from Thorney Bay .
All these developments voted by the Tory majority on the mainland.
Tell us Councillor Howard how do you control who gets these new properties because that is what you claim.

Pharro Please stop jerking your knee at things you clearly know nothing about.

Read what Marshman has said and you will have some idea of the reality in these matters.

Curbishly wrote:
Pharro Please stop jerking your knee at things you clearly know nothing about.

Read what Marshman has said and you will have some idea of the reality in these matters.

Not knee jerk at all. If you don't care what is built on Canvey, just say so. Most residents are concerned. Some of us try really hard despite a total lack of help from some officers at Castle Point Council. I suggest you attend some of the neighbourhood meetings and see how much effort and time some residents who really care put in. If you did you would know exactly what I am referring to.

patternmaker wrote:
600 new houses to be built on Canvey, I am now totally convinced that this council is on a different planet, 600 new houses will mean a minimum of 600 plus cars but of course it will be suggested that Jeff King will pay £18.5 million to complete the link of Roscommon Way (The road to nowhere) which according to Ray Howard will be the answer to all Canvey’s traffic problems. Anyone with a atom of common sense knows that all traffic converges at Waterside Roundabout, the only exit from the Island.

Big deal, Jeff King plans to build a Care Home, I would imagine this will be right next to the Gas Storage Terminal.

When the Methane terminal was in use which was stored underground there was a blanket restriction on all building within a 1.5 km radius of the terminal, now the Calor Gas plant which is stored above ground which poses a far greater risk to residents. Houses already border this plant.

Why will the council not reveal what is stored in the Oikos complex, probably because it would cause mass panic in the event of a accident or spillage, quite a few tanks contain aviation fuel, remember Buncefield.

Councilor Norman Smith who lives in Benfleet said it would be better for the occupants of caravans to live in houses with walls and gardens, not inferior caravans, would he care to explain to the occupants of these caravans how they can buy one of these new houses as the majority are on benefit and the reason they live in these caravans is because they cannot afford to rent houses let alone buy.

Now is the time for the residents of Canvey Island to stand up and be counted and have their say and demand another exit road is built and the infrastructure updated, until then NO MORE HOUSES .

Spot on.

Nebs wrote:
Norman Smith, Tory councillor for Boyce ward in Benfleet , said: “.. houses with walls and gardens are the correct place to house people...”
Great, can we assume you will be voting against any future applications for flats anwhere in your area.

Spot on see my comment re Canvey Supply proposed development.

Green777 wrote:
Im all for a few new homes going up as long as they are affordable for renting to stop the amounts we have to pay for private rfenting eg 1 bedroom around £550- £600 pcm and more for bigger properties, They should be made available for all ,not having to have loads of kids to get a home, every family on Canvey should have the option even if they have no kids or 2 or more. Orc is it another scam idea to make homes fpr 1st time buyers only? and lets face it not many will be helped by the banks etc.As far as safetly . Does it really matter where you live on the Island after all if the refineries went up they would take Canvey out anyay

That okay then get someone else to pat for what you want, that sounds fair!

We all pay for municipal housing through taxes.

We have nothing to do with private housing.

To be honest I don't want to pay for municipal housing that is then given to someone on full housing benefit which again we all pay for.

Enough is enough something for nothing has ruined this country.

John T Pharro wrote:

Curbishly wrote:
Pharro Please stop jerking your knee at things you clearly know nothing about.

Read what Marshman has said and you will have some idea of the reality in these matters.

Not knee jerk at all. If you don't care what is built on Canvey, just say so. Most residents are concerned. Some of us try really hard despite a total lack of help from some officers at Castle Point Council. I suggest you attend some of the neighbourhood meetings and see how much effort and time some residents who really care put in. If you did you would know exactly what I am referring to.

Pharro - You are all waffle and no substance, you are displaying your ignorance and it's making you look very stupid. You seem to think you are the fount of knowledge on these matters when the reality is you are pig ignorant.

Attending a few council meetings does not make you an expert.

Just re-read Ray Howard's comment.

Is he just acting stupid or does he really fail to understand?

Ray mate, we're going to get the Dutch Village development coming forward as well. Plus the triangle of trapped land between Northwick Road, Rosscommon Way and Canvey Road, the Canvey Road Farm and I bet Brick House farm off Haven Road are dusting their plans off too.

The governments given a free hand to developers in the hope we can build our way out of recession. Suits your pals down the club a treat. Free booze for life outta this I reckon.

marshman wrote:
Just re-read Ray Howard's comment.

Is he just acting stupid or does he really fail to understand?

Ray mate, we're going to get the Dutch Village development coming forward as well. Plus the triangle of trapped land between Northwick Road, Rosscommon Way and Canvey Road, the Canvey Road Farm and I bet Brick House farm off Haven Road are dusting their plans off too.

The governments given a free hand to developers in the hope we can build our way out of recession. Suits your pals down the club a treat. Free booze for life outta this I reckon.

Now here is a post that makes sense, its a shame most people on Canvey just cannot see the wood through the trees because they still keep voting for these Tory crooks, The Tory Council has been pulling the wool over residents of Canvey for years and yet even now people still don't see it.
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Strange how this road to nowhere is placed so conveniently for Jeffs new development don't you think.
Please Ray don't tell us all AGAIN that its to ease traffic and create jobs because so far none of it has come to fruition, unless of course you meant jobs as in builders. should make it easier for them to get to the new development. One would have thought you and Jeff could have come up with a better explanation for this new road while sipping sangria.
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The Council knew exactly what they were doing when the Core strategy was scrapped. All those proposed sites that were rejected by the government inspector will most certainly get the planning passed. And all before end of Autumn, when the new core strategy is supposedly to be published.

well first time i have gone on here it seems the tory bloggers all support any developer as long as its on canvey .i agree with iknoebetter theses totys councillors are all in the developers pockets .out of interest the telgraph article headlines. Conservitives given millions by property developers . says it all. how much has jack king has given to the local torys over the years .pay back .anyone who votes tory locally need to see a doctor.

marshman wrote:
Don't know why every one's getting a bee in the bonnet about this. The council had zero grounds for refusal - Cameron and Osborne have seen to that.

As to endangering life by building there, what an utter load of codswallop. All that's been agreed is the principle to develop the site with the detail to be thrashed out later. The development exclusion zone (cordon sanitaire) hasn't gone away and is sure to be enforced by the HSE at the full planning application stage.

What has been removed is the obligation to provide affordable homes (by the government). This means the development is unlikely to ease the dire shortage of affordable homes for local people and will in fact probably create more homeless families in the borough. The people displaced from the vans will have to go somewhere won't they.

Rather than throwing another silly hissy-fit the independent councillors should have been addressing these issues.

Their childishness does them no credit and has let us all down.

Come on now who has been using Marshmans account?

marshman wrote:
Just re-read Ray Howard's comment.

Is he just acting stupid or does he really fail to understand?

Ray mate, we're going to get the Dutch Village development coming forward as well. Plus the triangle of trapped land between Northwick Road, Rosscommon Way and Canvey Road, the Canvey Road Farm and I bet Brick House farm off Haven Road are dusting their plans off too.

The governments given a free hand to developers in the hope we can build our way out of recession. Suits your pals down the club a treat. Free booze for life outta this I reckon.

Marshmans back!!

Reading some of these comments, they obviously do not have travel to and from the Island to work, also how many of you experienced the flooding in 1953, when the Island had to evacuated, with less than a quarter of the current population. God help the residents if evacuation was needed now, there would be total panic, no emergency services could get on to the Island, similar to 1953 the first outside help was from the Leigh Cockle boats on the next morning tide,
I know because I was there, living on a Houseboat in Small Gains Creek

A lot of incidents at the Calor Gas plant are not reported and have already
been heavily fined for not reporting the serious incident when a valve failed, Butane or Propane expansion rate is approximately 233:1
Fortunately for Canvey the gas cloud was blown out to sea, the fire
brigade have stated it would be impossible to contain a major fire at the
Storage plant.

Everyone talks about a 3rd road off the Island, we only have one until
Get to Waterside Roundabout, it only needs one accident on that road and
The Island is gridlocked, Ray Howard once reported it took him
2 hours to get from Waterside to the Canvey High Street and the need to
complete the link to Roscommonway, I would like him to explain what
difference that would make, instead of wasting 18.4 million on this road to nowhere use it to build another exit road from Canvey.
At the end of Northwick Road you see Thurrock were it could link up
With the old A13, I understand Thurrock council have turned down this proposal so come on all you Tory councillors its not rocket science, get it sorted

if an evacuation had to take place, i'd stay put, as there would be more hurt or even killed in the rush, as for ray howard, dont ever trust him to do anything for nothing, did he not get a big pay off when he was fighting the agip oil refinery in the 70's to move his home to build the big roundabout at northwick

Just out of interest, with all the money Jeff King has made out of Canvey, just how much exactly has he put back into the community? I cant help feeling he has no thought what so ever for the place he was born and brought up in. Just a greedy blob.

Think they should stop building houses and flats in this part of South East Essex full stop. It is ridiculous how much green belt land is being taken over for development. It comes to something when you go to London and find they have far more open space for the public such as country parks, leisure facilities etc. than here. I remember the times when the poor children of London were brought to Southend by convoy of black cabs. Think it'll soon be the poor children of South East Essex being taken for days out in the fresher air towards East London
It is getting quite ridiculous here - seems to be more and more blocks of flats and roads being built. I'm only surprised there hasn't been a planning application to build a block of flats on the Sadlers Farm roundabout yet.

Oh Neville, when will you learn, politics is all about majorities, your ragtag bunch of cronies will never have a majority and will always end up on the losing side.

Mr Blackwell has alot to answer for as his baby, the Canvey Independant Party, is quite simply the worst thing ever to happen to Canvey.

Neville, join a bigger party and have a bigger voice.

Curbishly wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

Curbishly wrote:
Pharro Please stop jerking your knee at things you clearly know nothing about.

Read what Marshman has said and you will have some idea of the reality in these matters.

Not knee jerk at all. If you don't care what is built on Canvey, just say so. Most residents are concerned. Some of us try really hard despite a total lack of help from some officers at Castle Point Council. I suggest you attend some of the neighbourhood meetings and see how much effort and time some residents who really care put in. If you did you would know exactly what I am referring to.

Pharro - You are all waffle and no substance, you are displaying your ignorance and it's making you look very stupid. You seem to think you are the fount of knowledge on these matters when the reality is you are pig ignorant.

Attending a few council meetings does not make you an expert.

At least I use my name and don't hide behind a silly one dishing out insults.
If you could read properly you would see I was referring to other people who put a lot of time and effort in. Calling me pig ignorant is calling them pig ignorant. Most people will know just who is pig ignorant.

Steve H wrote:
Oh Neville, when will you learn, politics is all about majorities, your ragtag bunch of cronies will never have a majority and will always end up on the losing side.

Mr Blackwell has alot to answer for as his baby, the Canvey Independant Party, is quite simply the worst thing ever to happen to Canvey.

Neville, join a bigger party and have a bigger voice.

You are probably right Steve but one thing is for sure, at least they are not tempted with rewards from greedy developers and they stick to what they believe in, unlike some we could mention.

iknowbetter wrote:

Steve H wrote:
Oh Neville, when will you learn, politics is all about majorities, your ragtag bunch of cronies will never have a majority and will always end up on the losing side.

Mr Blackwell has alot to answer for as his baby, the Canvey Independant Party, is quite simply the worst thing ever to happen to Canvey.

Neville, join a bigger party and have a bigger voice.

You are probably right Steve but one thing is for sure, at least they are not tempted with rewards from greedy developers and they stick to what they believe in, unlike some we could mention.

Spot on, and had you noticed how Curbishly, the gutless one who hides behind a silly name, has not responded to my post?
Now, my old Nan said people who cannot answer either have lost the argument or are ignorant. Being a lady would never put "pig" in front of ignorant. There again manners and respect for another's views are now lost.