Neighbours prepare for new fight against homes in Castle Point (From Echo)

This site as proposed to is ridiculously overdeveloped. Unlike other areas which need properties most residents are prepared to see HOUSES similar to that in the area and at the same density. This is not a no properties at all and at the last proposed development 100 s of residents posted individual objections despite Castle Point Council only notifying about 12 houses. Instead of listening to the residents, including their opposition to flats the new proposal reduced the number of houses by 4 and increased the number of flats by 3.
An absolute insult to the residents concerns.
Rightly the Town Council voted no.
Now as the Rt Hon R Harris supports the residents in Benfleet's objection to building near the A130, can we have her support to only build what is on the Borough Plan. That is 50 properties and that is all the industrialised area at the Point, not the three fifths this area represents.
I have written twice, sadly no reply, so I think the residents can take that as a no.
Obviously too much for our MP to support the residents who actually accept what is on the Borough plan.

Would the same people still be moaning if it was the other way around and a builder had suggested knocking down houses and building a new industrial estate on that site i wonder. #alwaysmoaning

HOT AIR wrote:
Would the same people still be moaning if it was the other way around and a builder had suggested knocking down houses and building a new industrial estate on that site i wonder. #alwaysmoaning

For goodness sake will you read what I said. The residents are not moan, moan, moan about what was ORIGINALLY proposed on the site in the Borough plan only the over development now proposed.
I take it you are happy to have your house knocked down to have a builders merchants put there. As a matter of fact the residents are more than happy to have the industrial estate left just as it is Canvey Supply and all.

try not to be too condescending Mr Pharo everyone is entitled to an opinion whether it suits your view or not. #rudeman

HOT AIR wrote:
try not to be too condescending Mr Pharo everyone is entitled to an opinion whether it suits your view or not. #rudeman

Not just my opinion. If you think that knock on any door nearby to Canvey Supply and see if you get the same answer as mine.
Bet you don't.
Why "rude" because I challenged you with the same that you accused the "moaners"?
If never ceases to amaze me how the most beligerent of posters never use their own name.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an objection from the MP, she's far too busy trying to save the Benfleet greenbelt. But I wonder if there's truth in the rumour the council will attach a condition to force the developer to create an access from the rear of the site through to Wall Road and then onto Smallgains? It would finally bring that end of Smallgains up to adoptable standard and deal with the Point Road access problems.

marshman wrote:
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an objection from the MP, she's far too busy trying to save the Benfleet greenbelt. But I wonder if there's truth in the rumour the council will attach a condition to force the developer to create an access from the rear of the site through to Wall Road and then onto Smallgains? It would finally bring that end of Smallgains up to adoptable standard and deal with the Point Road access problems.

Nice try Marshman, no chance because of the access required for the sea wall (15 meters minimum). Also Wall Road is a private road and would not allow that. Nor would you if you lived there would you.
Do you really think the residents are being unreasonable in only asking for what is on the borough plan and not the over development proposed?
Oh and just to clear up one thing. Some people think that the gas pipes being replaced signed this is being done and being laid into Canvey Supply and the development is a done deal. It is not the case, the whole area has stunk of gas for years and needed replacement. Absolutely none has been laid into Canvey Supply. If you doubt me ring the owners of Canvey Supply.

John T Pharro wrote:

marshman wrote: I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an objection from the MP, she's far too busy trying to save the Benfleet greenbelt. But I wonder if there's truth in the rumour the council will attach a condition to force the developer to create an access from the rear of the site through to Wall Road and then onto Smallgains? It would finally bring that end of Smallgains up to adoptable standard and deal with the Point Road access problems.

Nice try Marshman, no chance because of the access required for the sea wall (15 meters minimum). Also Wall Road is a private road and would not allow that. Nor would you if you lived there would you. Do you really think the residents are being unreasonable in only asking for what is on the borough plan and not the over development proposed? Oh and just to clear up one thing. Some people think that the gas pipes being replaced signed this is being done and being laid into Canvey Supply and the development is a done deal. It is not the case, the whole area has stunk of gas for years and needed replacement. Absolutely none has been laid into Canvey Supply. If you doubt me ring the owners of Canvey Supply.

Thought I'd try and get you going but gosh, you're on the case alright. No offence intended :)

It's a wholly inappropriate development for the site. The council will know that already but another house (or flat) on the Island means one less in Benfleet. We both know that unfortunately that's exactly the way it is. We stood a chance with the old Labour administration but the independents will be forever be in a minority unable to influence the important decisions. It's time they (and voters) came to realise that. But sadly, the damage is already done methinks.

marshman wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

marshman wrote: I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an objection from the MP, she's far too busy trying to save the Benfleet greenbelt. But I wonder if there's truth in the rumour the council will attach a condition to force the developer to create an access from the rear of the site through to Wall Road and then onto Smallgains? It would finally bring that end of Smallgains up to adoptable standard and deal with the Point Road access problems.

Nice try Marshman, no chance because of the access required for the sea wall (15 meters minimum). Also Wall Road is a private road and would not allow that. Nor would you if you lived there would you. Do you really think the residents are being unreasonable in only asking for what is on the borough plan and not the over development proposed? Oh and just to clear up one thing. Some people think that the gas pipes being replaced signed this is being done and being laid into Canvey Supply and the development is a done deal. It is not the case, the whole area has stunk of gas for years and needed replacement. Absolutely none has been laid into Canvey Supply. If you doubt me ring the owners of Canvey Supply.

Thought I'd try and get you going but gosh, you're on the case alright. No offence intended :)

It's a wholly inappropriate development for the site. The council will know that already but another house (or flat) on the Island means one less in Benfleet. We both know that unfortunately that's exactly the way it is. We stood a chance with the old Labour administration but the independents will be forever be in a minority unable to influence the important decisions. It's time they (and voters) came to realise that. But sadly, the damage is already done methinks.

No offence taken and although you are right in everything you say, we can only keep trying.
Plus I can remember a time when every seat in Castle Point was Tory including the MP.
Got a real shock when Christine Butler got in and the Council became Labour.
The then Tories took the electorate for granted and history can be repeated!!
Our current MP is making all the same mistakes.

are you a Councillor/MP Mr Pharro or a busybody who observes and criticizes from a distance? #nimby

HOT AIR wrote:
are you a Councillor/MP Mr Pharro or a busybody who observes and criticizes from a distance? #nimby

At least he's not an ignorant and rude Tory troll like some posters here. You know the ones I mean. Nothing substantial to say, just full of hot air.

Anyone objective can see what is going on with the 'new' local plan. The Mainland majority will push through everything they can on Canvey, while doing their upmost to block anything on the mainland.

Unfortunately, under the localism bill, there is now no Government Inspector to foil their plans down the line.

Seriously, the inspector slammed the old Core Strategy, something the mainland tories were all too happy with until he intervened, for trying to dump most of the required housing on Canvey. Only when faced with having to sacrifice significant mainland to satisfy the Inspector did the mainland boys do a turnaround and vote throw it out (not going to put their own seats at risk are they?) Yes, not in their backs yards, that's for sure.

But here we are under new rules and regulations that have significantly reduced Canvey's protection from the greedy and the outright selfish: The Environment agency's power has been reduced to an advisory only one. They cannot protect us although they are the experts on the risks we face.

Under the localism bill the mainland Council majority can now pretty much approve anything they want, and we have no Government Inspector to protect us.

This is called 'Tyranny by majority' btw. When those holding power abuse that by deliberately ignoring the wishes and welfare of the people that they do not directly represent. In this case the mainland majority are obviously blanking any and all concerns of the Canvey people that will be adversely affected by their self serving decisions. They know they are putting our lives at risk building heavily on a flood risk area and near hazardous installations, but they press on regardless for building on Canvey when these same concerns do not exist for the mainland.

Ah well...Looks like everything they wanted from the original Core Strategy will still get pushed through in the end. The inspectors damning report only delayed them.

And for those all too quick to label any dissenting voice on Canvey as a 'nimby'? Well, this should not be any great revelation, but most everyone IS a nimby. The people of Canvey, the people of the mainland, most of us are nimbies in the end (who in their right mind wants their greenbelt destroyed?). But, sadly, it's a safe assumption to know which nimbies will have the backyards saved with this Council, isn't it?

Pretty much spot on DKelly.

marshman wrote:
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an objection from the MP, she's far too busy trying to save the Benfleet greenbelt. But I wonder if there's truth in the rumour the council will attach a condition to force the developer to create an access from the rear of the site through to Wall Road and then onto Smallgains? It would finally bring that end of Smallgains up to adoptable standard and deal with the Point Road access problems.

Sorry to disappoint but as a Benfleet resident trying to stop a development of 200 homes on the Green Bent land I would like to state she has not been near nor by, despite requests via her office, Castle Point Conservatives and the Facebook page for assistance.