Castle Point Council's five year plan shows more homes to be built on mainland rather than Canvey (From Echo)

They will not be houses, but mostly flats. Once again the Tory dominated Council dumps the major builds on Canvey despite in being a flood plain and at flood risk 3.
The previous plan was kicked out for too many builds on Canvey and no enough on the mainland so why this?
Our MP of course will do nothing, but support the Tories.
Councillor Howard will trundle out that it will all be OK and the infrastructure will follow, just like he thinks it will with Canvey Supply's overdevelopment and Thorney Bay.
Was it ever the worse day ever for Canvey when we were merged with Benfleet.

Castle Point has about half the population density of Southend. So you can double the number of people in Castle point before needing to build anything new in Southend.

John T Pharro wrote:
They will not be houses, but mostly flats. Once again the Tory dominated Council dumps the major builds on Canvey despite in being a flood plain and at flood risk 3.
The previous plan was kicked out for too many builds on Canvey and no enough on the mainland so why this?
Our MP of course will do nothing, but support the Tories.
Councillor Howard will trundle out that it will all be OK and the infrastructure will follow, just like he thinks it will with Canvey Supply's overdevelopment and Thorney Bay.
Was it ever the worse day ever for Canvey when we were merged with Benfleet.

I thought all the dinosaurs were dead, but no, John is still living in the passed, trotting out the same old story.
John please stop going on about the flood risk, yes our island is below sea level, but it without doubt has got the best defences. Sooner or later this type of rhetoric will lead to all our house insurances prices going through the roof.

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Nebs wrote:
Castle Point has about half the population density of Southend. So you can double the number of people in Castle point before needing to build anything new in Southend.

It's nothing to do with population density and all to do with the complete lack of infrastructure, such as roads, that Canvey has

That said, your claims about population density do seem somewhat dubious so I would like to know where the figures behind that fact come from.

upset wrote:

John T Pharro wrote: They will not be houses, but mostly flats. Once again the Tory dominated Council dumps the major builds on Canvey despite in being a flood plain and at flood risk 3. The previous plan was kicked out for too many builds on Canvey and no enough on the mainland so why this? Our MP of course will do nothing, but support the Tories. Councillor Howard will trundle out that it will all be OK and the infrastructure will follow, just like he thinks it will with Canvey Supply's overdevelopment and Thorney Bay. Was it ever the worse day ever for Canvey when we were merged with Benfleet.

I thought all the dinosaurs were dead, but no, John is still living in the passed, trotting out the same old story. John please stop going on about the flood risk, yes our island is below sea level, but it without doubt has got the best defences. Sooner or later this type of rhetoric will lead to all our house insurances prices going through the roof.

But his argument is correct isn't it?

Or are you saying it's the HSE that's wrong and Ray's that's right?

I'd rather trust the word of the HSE than a councillor's any day (and not only on matters of tidal defence). King Canute learnt the hard way the sea will have her way and it's akin to sticking your head in the sand to believe otherwise.

As the Island's population grows the potential for substantial loss increases exponentially. At some point insurers will indeed say enough is enough and the odds of the gamble aren't worth it anymore.

Nebs wrote:
Castle Point has about half the population density of Southend. So you can double the number of people in Castle point before needing to build anything new in Southend.

Actually, scrub that i've just looked up the figures and not sure where yours are coming from but according to the national census Canvey has more than 500 more people per square km than Southend so is actually considerably more densely populated than Southend.

AndyBSG wrote:

Nebs wrote: Castle Point has about half the population density of Southend. So you can double the number of people in Castle point before needing to build anything new in Southend.

Actually, scrub that i've just looked up the figures and not sure where yours are coming from but according to the national census Canvey has more than 500 more people per square km than Southend so is actually considerably more densely populated than Southend.

Castle Point NOT just Canvey!!

Canvey is not a flood Plain it may have a flood risk if the sea defences fail but there are other places even within Castle Point at risk before Canvey.

If it is that bad why do people live there, adding more houses won't make it more likely to flood or the Calor gas site any more dangerous. More homes may add to traffic congestion so use that as an arguement to duel Canvey Way, talk to other Boroughs and investigate the new Dubai Port, it needs access and workers ask the questions of your Local Cllrs concentrate on improving the island and not moaning about being in Castle Point.

More flats in Hadleigh, whats the point of that? There are already plenty of unwanted flats in Hadleigh (ask any estate agent). Typical brainless decision motivated by politics rather than the needs of local people. Can't wait for election day.

Aint it just the truth wrote:
More flats in Hadleigh, whats the point of that? There are already plenty of unwanted flats in Hadleigh (ask any estate agent). Typical brainless decision motivated by politics rather than the needs of local people. Can't wait for election day.

Why whats happening on election day

marshman wrote:

upset wrote:

John T Pharro wrote: They will not be houses, but mostly flats. Once again the Tory dominated Council dumps the major builds on Canvey despite in being a flood plain and at flood risk 3. The previous plan was kicked out for too many builds on Canvey and no enough on the mainland so why this? Our MP of course will do nothing, but support the Tories. Councillor Howard will trundle out that it will all be OK and the infrastructure will follow, just like he thinks it will with Canvey Supply's overdevelopment and Thorney Bay. Was it ever the worse day ever for Canvey when we were merged with Benfleet.

I thought all the dinosaurs were dead, but no, John is still living in the passed, trotting out the same old story. John please stop going on about the flood risk, yes our island is below sea level, but it without doubt has got the best defences. Sooner or later this type of rhetoric will lead to all our house insurances prices going through the roof.

But his argument is correct isn't it?

Or are you saying it's the HSE that's wrong and Ray's that's right?

I'd rather trust the word of the HSE than a councillor's any day (and not only on matters of tidal defence). King Canute learnt the hard way the sea will have her way and it's akin to sticking your head in the sand to believe otherwise.

As the Island's population grows the potential for substantial loss increases exponentially. At some point insurers will indeed say enough is enough and the odds of the gamble aren't worth it anymore.

I rather depend on the 3 foot thick concrete wall, but continuous going on about it will attracted insurers attention.

marshman wrote:

upset wrote:

John T Pharro wrote: They will not be houses, but mostly flats. Once again the Tory dominated Council dumps the major builds on Canvey despite in being a flood plain and at flood risk 3. The previous plan was kicked out for too many builds on Canvey and no enough on the mainland so why this? Our MP of course will do nothing, but support the Tories. Councillor Howard will trundle out that it will all be OK and the infrastructure will follow, just like he thinks it will with Canvey Supply's overdevelopment and Thorney Bay. Was it ever the worse day ever for Canvey when we were merged with Benfleet.

I thought all the dinosaurs were dead, but no, John is still living in the passed, trotting out the same old story. John please stop going on about the flood risk, yes our island is below sea level, but it without doubt has got the best defences. Sooner or later this type of rhetoric will lead to all our house insurances prices going through the roof.

But his argument is correct isn't it?

Or are you saying it's the HSE that's wrong and Ray's that's right?

I'd rather trust the word of the HSE than a councillor's any day (and not only on matters of tidal defence). King Canute learnt the hard way the sea will have her way and it's akin to sticking your head in the sand to believe otherwise.

As the Island's population grows the potential for substantial loss increases exponentially. At some point insurers will indeed say enough is enough and the odds of the gamble aren't worth it anymore.

See below extract of assessment given to CITC in 2007 from Environment Agency website http://www.canveygb.
co.uk/data/SFRA%20ve
rsion%208.pdf

Since the likelihood of Canvey Island flooding is low, it is appropriate to respond to
planning applications made on Canvey consistently with those made in other areas that
are similarly well defended, such as London or other areas within the Thames Gateway.

upset wrote:

marshman wrote:

upset wrote:

John T Pharro wrote: They will not be houses, but mostly flats. Once again the Tory dominated Council dumps the major builds on Canvey despite in being a flood plain and at flood risk 3. The previous plan was kicked out for too many builds on Canvey and no enough on the mainland so why this? Our MP of course will do nothing, but support the Tories. Councillor Howard will trundle out that it will all be OK and the infrastructure will follow, just like he thinks it will with Canvey Supply's overdevelopment and Thorney Bay. Was it ever the worse day ever for Canvey when we were merged with Benfleet.

I thought all the dinosaurs were dead, but no, John is still living in the passed, trotting out the same old story. John please stop going on about the flood risk, yes our island is below sea level, but it without doubt has got the best defences. Sooner or later this type of rhetoric will lead to all our house insurances prices going through the roof.

But his argument is correct isn't it?

Or are you saying it's the HSE that's wrong and Ray's that's right?

I'd rather trust the word of the HSE than a councillor's any day (and not only on matters of tidal defence). King Canute learnt the hard way the sea will have her way and it's akin to sticking your head in the sand to believe otherwise.

As the Island's population grows the potential for substantial loss increases exponentially. At some point insurers will indeed say enough is enough and the odds of the gamble aren't worth it anymore.

See below extract of assessment given to CITC in 2007 from Environment Agency website http://www.canveygb.

co.uk/data/SFRA%20ve

rsion%208.pdf

Since the likelihood of Canvey Island flooding is low, it is appropriate to respond to
planning applications made on Canvey consistently with those made in other areas that
are similarly well defended, such as London or other areas within the Thames Gateway.

Not correct if you look into the latest reports Canvey Island is at risk from the 1 in 100 year flood. What you are quoting is the general position. The description given is that if the seawall is over topped the result for Canvey would be "catastrophic". That is there words not mine.
There needs to be a proper programme to improve Canvey's sea defences to avoid this. No such plan exist neither one for evacuation should it occur. The Borough should have one, but it doesn't.
Do you not think it makes sense upset to build elsewhere in the Borough before you build in a flood risk area?
This plan does the exact opposite.
As Thorney Bay advertises in local and London papers to live there do you not think we are bringing more people onto Canvey adding to the problem?
Add to that it is the Borough Council to access the flood risk and I don't trust them an inch.
I fully support the Localism Bill yes a Tory Bill,, but that should take into account local resident's views. How do you make out the residents views have been taken into account here?

Fane road is ideal any other location will mean congestion end of!

At least Fane Road area gives access to the A127.

John T Pharro wrote:

upset wrote:

marshman wrote:

upset wrote:

John T Pharro wrote: They will not be houses, but mostly flats. Once again the Tory dominated Council dumps the major builds on Canvey despite in being a flood plain and at flood risk 3. The previous plan was kicked out for too many builds on Canvey and no enough on the mainland so why this? Our MP of course will do nothing, but support the Tories. Councillor Howard will trundle out that it will all be OK and the infrastructure will follow, just like he thinks it will with Canvey Supply's overdevelopment and Thorney Bay. Was it ever the worse day ever for Canvey when we were merged with Benfleet.

I thought all the dinosaurs were dead, but no, John is still living in the passed, trotting out the same old story. John please stop going on about the flood risk, yes our island is below sea level, but it without doubt has got the best defences. Sooner or later this type of rhetoric will lead to all our house insurances prices going through the roof.

But his argument is correct isn't it?

Or are you saying it's the HSE that's wrong and Ray's that's right?

I'd rather trust the word of the HSE than a councillor's any day (and not only on matters of tidal defence). King Canute learnt the hard way the sea will have her way and it's akin to sticking your head in the sand to believe otherwise.

As the Island's population grows the potential for substantial loss increases exponentially. At some point insurers will indeed say enough is enough and the odds of the gamble aren't worth it anymore.

See below extract of assessment given to CITC in 2007 from Environment Agency website http://www.canveygb.


co.uk/data/SFRA%20ve


rsion%208.pdf

Since the likelihood of Canvey Island flooding is low, it is appropriate to respond to
planning applications made on Canvey consistently with those made in other areas that
are similarly well defended, such as London or other areas within the Thames Gateway.

Not correct if you look into the latest reports Canvey Island is at risk from the 1 in 100 year flood. What you are quoting is the general position. The description given is that if the seawall is over topped the result for Canvey would be "catastrophic". That is there words not mine.
There needs to be a proper programme to improve Canvey's sea defences to avoid this. No such plan exist neither one for evacuation should it occur. The Borough should have one, but it doesn't.
Do you not think it makes sense upset to build elsewhere in the Borough before you build in a flood risk area?
This plan does the exact opposite.
As Thorney Bay advertises in local and London papers to live there do you not think we are bringing more people onto Canvey adding to the problem?
Add to that it is the Borough Council to access the flood risk and I don't trust them an inch.
I fully support the Localism Bill yes a Tory Bill,, but that should take into account local resident's views. How do you make out the residents views have been taken into account here?

If your scaremongering is correct (I think its rubbish). Best part of Norfolk, a lot of Suffolk and from Mersea all the to the Greenwich barrier and beyond would be under water.
Only Noah would be able to deal with that level of water.

Whatthe* wrote:
Canvey is not a flood Plain it may have a flood risk if the sea defences fail but there are other places even within Castle Point at risk before Canvey. If it is that bad why do people live there, adding more houses won't make it more likely to flood or the Calor gas site any more dangerous. More homes may add to traffic congestion so use that as an arguement to duel Canvey Way, talk to other Boroughs and investigate the new Dubai Port, it needs access and workers ask the questions of your Local Cllrs concentrate on improving the island and not moaning about being in Castle Point.

You right its not a flood plain, its a level 3 Flood risk, there is a marked difference. Your also right about Calor Gas not becoming even more dangerous because of extending the popullation.
What it does do however is put even more people at risk.
Contrary to popular mainland belief people choose to live on Canvey because it is actually a nice place to live.

As for Upsets comments. OMG!!! if you think burying your head in the sand will make the insurers look the other way then your more dense then I thought.

upset wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

upset wrote:

marshman wrote:

upset wrote:

John T Pharro wrote: They will not be houses, but mostly flats. Once again the Tory dominated Council dumps the major builds on Canvey despite in being a flood plain and at flood risk 3. The previous plan was kicked out for too many builds on Canvey and no enough on the mainland so why this? Our MP of course will do nothing, but support the Tories. Councillor Howard will trundle out that it will all be OK and the infrastructure will follow, just like he thinks it will with Canvey Supply's overdevelopment and Thorney Bay. Was it ever the worse day ever for Canvey when we were merged with Benfleet.

I thought all the dinosaurs were dead, but no, John is still living in the passed, trotting out the same old story. John please stop going on about the flood risk, yes our island is below sea level, but it without doubt has got the best defences. Sooner or later this type of rhetoric will lead to all our house insurances prices going through the roof.

But his argument is correct isn't it? Or are you saying it's the HSE that's wrong and Ray's that's right? I'd rather trust the word of the HSE than a councillor's any day (and not only on matters of tidal defence). King Canute learnt the hard way the sea will have her way and it's akin to sticking your head in the sand to believe otherwise. As the Island's population grows the potential for substantial loss increases exponentially. At some point insurers will indeed say enough is enough and the odds of the gamble aren't worth it anymore.

See below extract of assessment given to CITC in 2007 from Environment Agency website http://www.canveygb. co.uk/data/SFRA%20ve rsion%208.pdf Since the likelihood of Canvey Island flooding is low, it is appropriate to respond to planning applications made on Canvey consistently with those made in other areas that are similarly well defended, such as London or other areas within the Thames Gateway.

Not correct if you look into the latest reports Canvey Island is at risk from the 1 in 100 year flood. What you are quoting is the general position. The description given is that if the seawall is over topped the result for Canvey would be "catastrophic". That is there words not mine. There needs to be a proper programme to improve Canvey's sea defences to avoid this. No such plan exist neither one for evacuation should it occur. The Borough should have one, but it doesn't. Do you not think it makes sense upset to build elsewhere in the Borough before you build in a flood risk area? This plan does the exact opposite. As Thorney Bay advertises in local and London papers to live there do you not think we are bringing more people onto Canvey adding to the problem? Add to that it is the Borough Council to access the flood risk and I don't trust them an inch. I fully support the Localism Bill yes a Tory Bill,, but that should take into account local resident's views. How do you make out the residents views have been taken into account here?

If your scaremongering is correct (I think its rubbish). Best part of Norfolk, a lot of Suffolk and from Mersea all the to the Greenwich barrier and beyond would be under water. Only Noah would be able to deal with that level of water.

Take a look at the most recent forcast map of London and the S East, you may just change your comment...

Strange wouldnt you say that the 5 year plan gets published just weeks after 800+ new homes get planning permission on Canvey. Couldnt have published it 5 weeks ago could they!!! Talk about the Tory lead Council Shatting on the residents yet again from a great height.. Its all about prtecting the mainland votes!!!

One more thing, by my calculations add the extra 450 extra dwellings earmarked in this 5 year plan to the existing dwellings which have just been passed then it would seem Canvey has all on its own met the housing target. It would seem the mainland is safe after all..

perini wrote:

AndyBSG wrote:

Nebs wrote: Castle Point has about half the population density of Southend. So you can double the number of people in Castle point before needing to build anything new in Southend.

Actually, scrub that i've just looked up the figures and not sure where yours are coming from but according to the national census Canvey has more than 500 more people per square km than Southend so is actually considerably more densely populated than Southend.

Castle Point NOT just Canvey!!

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/List_of_Eng
lish_districts_by_po
pulation_density
Southend #39
Castle Point #93

If what you say about Canvey population density is correct, then it means the rest of Castle Point excluding Canvey is the place for new building.

iknowbetter wrote:
Strange wouldnt you say that the 5 year plan gets published just weeks after 800+ new homes get planning permission on Canvey. Couldnt have published it 5 weeks ago could they!!! Talk about the Tory lead Council Shatting on the residents yet again from a great height.. Its all about prtecting the mainland votes!!!

Very good point I'd missed that.

upset wrote:

iknowbetter wrote:
Strange wouldnt you say that the 5 year plan gets published just weeks after 800+ new homes get planning permission on Canvey. Couldnt have published it 5 weeks ago could they!!! Talk about the Tory lead Council Shatting on the residents yet again from a great height.. Its all about prtecting the mainland votes!!!

Very good point I'd missed that.

Don't know how you work that one out. We are from the mainland and the Council is 're-zoning' our Green Belt just so they can push through developments on then. Search for the minutes of the council's Cabinet meeting of 17th October. It's not just about Canvey, we are all suffering from these ludicrous Government building targets.

benfleet101 wrote:

upset wrote:

iknowbetter wrote:
Strange wouldnt you say that the 5 year plan gets published just weeks after 800+ new homes get planning permission on Canvey. Couldnt have published it 5 weeks ago could they!!! Talk about the Tory lead Council Shatting on the residents yet again from a great height.. Its all about prtecting the mainland votes!!!

Very good point I'd missed that.

Don't know how you work that one out. We are from the mainland and the Council is 're-zoning' our Green Belt just so they can push through developments on then. Search for the minutes of the council's Cabinet meeting of 17th October. It's not just about Canvey, we are all suffering from these ludicrous Government building targets.

You are right, so isn't it about time you woke up? All the Canvey Independent Councillors voted against the development of homes on green belt in Benfleet and the Tories voted for it.
So isn't it clear who they really support?
Same as the building on Canvey.
Get some Councillors elected who support the residents views. What about a PIP party! Proper Independent Councillors.

iknowbetter wrote:

upset wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

upset wrote:

marshman wrote:

upset wrote:

John T Pharro wrote: They will not be houses, but mostly flats. Once again the Tory dominated Council dumps the major builds on Canvey despite in being a flood plain and at flood risk 3. The previous plan was kicked out for too many builds on Canvey and no enough on the mainland so why this? Our MP of course will do nothing, but support the Tories. Councillor Howard will trundle out that it will all be OK and the infrastructure will follow, just like he thinks it will with Canvey Supply's overdevelopment and Thorney Bay. Was it ever the worse day ever for Canvey when we were merged with Benfleet.

I thought all the dinosaurs were dead, but no, John is still living in the passed, trotting out the same old story. John please stop going on about the flood risk, yes our island is below sea level, but it without doubt has got the best defences. Sooner or later this type of rhetoric will lead to all our house insurances prices going through the roof.

But his argument is correct isn't it? Or are you saying it's the HSE that's wrong and Ray's that's right? I'd rather trust the word of the HSE than a councillor's any day (and not only on matters of tidal defence). King Canute learnt the hard way the sea will have her way and it's akin to sticking your head in the sand to believe otherwise. As the Island's population grows the potential for substantial loss increases exponentially. At some point insurers will indeed say enough is enough and the odds of the gamble aren't worth it anymore.

See below extract of assessment given to CITC in 2007 from Environment Agency website http://www.canveygb. co.uk/data/SFRA%20ve rsion%208.pdf Since the likelihood of Canvey Island flooding is low, it is appropriate to respond to planning applications made on Canvey consistently with those made in other areas that are similarly well defended, such as London or other areas within the Thames Gateway.

Not correct if you look into the latest reports Canvey Island is at risk from the 1 in 100 year flood. What you are quoting is the general position. The description given is that if the seawall is over topped the result for Canvey would be "catastrophic". That is there words not mine. There needs to be a proper programme to improve Canvey's sea defences to avoid this. No such plan exist neither one for evacuation should it occur. The Borough should have one, but it doesn't. Do you not think it makes sense upset to build elsewhere in the Borough before you build in a flood risk area? This plan does the exact opposite. As Thorney Bay advertises in local and London papers to live there do you not think we are bringing more people onto Canvey adding to the problem? Add to that it is the Borough Council to access the flood risk and I don't trust them an inch. I fully support the Localism Bill yes a Tory Bill,, but that should take into account local resident's views. How do you make out the residents views have been taken into account here?

If your scaremongering is correct (I think its rubbish). Best part of Norfolk, a lot of Suffolk and from Mersea all the to the Greenwich barrier and beyond would be under water. Only Noah would be able to deal with that level of water.

Take a look at the most recent forcast map of London and the S East, you may just change your comment...

Upset if you think I am scaremongering. Contact me I will show you.

benfleet101 wrote:

upset wrote:

iknowbetter wrote: Strange wouldnt you say that the 5 year plan gets published just weeks after 800+ new homes get planning permission on Canvey. Couldnt have published it 5 weeks ago could they!!! Talk about the Tory lead Council Shatting on the residents yet again from a great height.. Its all about prtecting the mainland votes!!!

Very good point I'd missed that.

Don't know how you work that one out. We are from the mainland and the Council is 're-zoning' our Green Belt just so they can push through developments on then. Search for the minutes of the council's Cabinet meeting of 17th October. It's not just about Canvey, we are all suffering from these ludicrous Government building targets.

I agree in part with what you say but prey tell me how many plans in the past 6 months have been past for mainland housing?

Incidently we still have the core strategy yet to be published, should be fun!!!!

iknowbetter wrote:
Incidently we still have the core strategy yet to be published, should be fun!!!!

Probably one rotten to it.

iknowbetter wrote:

benfleet101 wrote:

upset wrote:

iknowbetter wrote: Strange wouldnt you say that the 5 year plan gets published just weeks after 800+ new homes get planning permission on Canvey. Couldnt have published it 5 weeks ago could they!!! Talk about the Tory lead Council Shatting on the residents yet again from a great height.. Its all about prtecting the mainland votes!!!

Very good point I'd missed that.

Don't know how you work that one out. We are from the mainland and the Council is 're-zoning' our Green Belt just so they can push through developments on then. Search for the minutes of the council's Cabinet meeting of 17th October. It's not just about Canvey, we are all suffering from these ludicrous Government building targets.

I agree in part with what you say but prey tell me how many plans in the past 6 months have been past for mainland housing?

The point should not be whats been passed as CPBC does not control what plans comes in, the question should be whats been refused.

I suggest that we wait to see the whole plan and then compare if you want to do that.

The Local Plan update ( on the Council website Web Cast ) the suggested Years 1 to 5 housing sites and numbers show a higher number of proposed sites are actually on the mainland .