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Autistic pair sleep in tents
DESPERATE homeless youngsters have set up a campsite in woods in Pitsea because they have nowhere else to go.
Autistic Scott McCarthy, 20, pitched his tent among the trees, off Ashlyns, nearly three weeks ago and was joined days later by Natalie Cobban, 19, and a third person, who does not wish to be named or photographed.
They all say Basildon Council told them they can not be rehoused.
So they have built their own community with two tents, one of which is suspended in the trees, a covered communal area and a fireplace.
But the council is threatening to move them on.
Scott, who grew up in Pitsea, said: "I don't have a plan of action. I will just stay here until I'm housed or they get a court order.
"I would say to anyone out there, don't rely on the council. They are a waste of time."
Scott has been homeless since splitting with his girlfriend a couple of months ago, but he can't go back to his mum's because there is not enough room.
Natalie, who is also autistic and originally from Nottingham, spent seven months sleeping on the couch in a friend's bedsit in Basildon before she was forced to move to the campsite.
She said: "I've had three assessments, but the council said it can't do anything.
"It is willing to put you up for a night in a bed and breakfast, but that is not really appropriate.
"I'm angry. We are having to fight to get anything. But we will keep on fighting."
The campsite is hidden from the road and a row of shops nearby.
The group has a fire going most nights to help them keep warm and heat food.
Scott also has the stress of looking for a new job.
He was fired on Tuesday for turning up late after spending the night in a police cell for possessing a knife he uses for cooking and eating.
He was not charged.
Scott also says he was taking a lot of time off work to try to find a place to rent.
He said: "On top of everything I now have to look for a new job.
"You think we would get extra help because we're autistic, but no-one seems to care.
"I walk round the estate and there are loads of empty places. I think there is a lot more the council could be doing for us."
12:51pm Thursday 17th May 2007
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CommentPosted by: Basildon Billy on 1:21pm Thu 17 May 07
I have to agree 100% with that, I was homeless and Basildon Council said there was nothing they could do, the woman who assessed me told me I was to go to the main desk and ask for a confimration letter, the same woman then phoned the desk in advance before I got there and told the woman behind the desk to catagorise me as not homeless, I was fuming, and my taxes go towards that!? from that day on I swore never to pay Council tax again, and havent since
I have to agree 100% with that, I was homeless and Basildon Council said there was nothing they could do, the woman who assessed me told me I was to go to the main desk and ask for a confimration letter, the same woman then phoned the desk in advance before I got there and told the woman behind the desk to catagorise me as not homeless, I was fuming, and my taxes go towards that!? from that day on I swore never to pay Council tax again, and havent since
Posted by: The Vicar on 1:37pm Thu 17 May 07
Are we living in the 21st century or the 16th century?
Is this what this country has become?
We now have people living rough sleeping in tents while we provide houses for people who haven't been in the country for more than two minutes or have a criminal record as long as your arm.
They always manage to find secure homes for members of the Tufty Club as well.
Although any mother who lets their son sleep rough isn't much of a mother.
Is there more to this story than meets the eye...?
Are we living in the 21st century or the 16th century?
Is this what this country has become?
We now have people living rough sleeping in tents while we provide houses for people who haven't been in the country for more than two minutes or have a criminal record as long as your arm.
They always manage to find secure homes for members of the Tufty Club as well.
Although any mother who lets their son sleep rough isn't much of a mother.
Is there more to this story than meets the eye...?
Posted by: Emma, Pitsea on 1:37pm Thu 17 May 07
I'm angry cos I must be a f****** mug. I work hard, pay all my taxes, bills, mortgage and have never expected a handout in my life.
My message to these wasters is 'get a job, take responsibility for your actions and stop blaming every other person for all thats bad in your life'.
I'm angry cos I must be a f****** mug. I work hard, pay all my taxes, bills, mortgage and have never expected a handout in my life.
My message to these wasters is 'get a job, take responsibility for your actions and stop blaming every other person for all thats bad in your life'.
Posted by: Gail, Basildon on 1:42pm Thu 17 May 07
Scott's parents should let him sleep on the sofa and natalie should go back to Nottingham instead of trying to get a flat down here.
Scott's parents should let him sleep on the sofa and natalie should go back to Nottingham instead of trying to get a flat down here.
Posted by: Basildon Billy on 1:44pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote]My message to these wasters is 'get a job, take responsibility for your actions and stop blaming every other person for all thats bad in your life'.[/quote] Whos gonna employ a homeless person? use your brain before you type garbage like that, alot of homeless people look harder than anybody for jobs, but no employer is gonna hire somebody who sleeps rough
My message to these wasters is 'get a job, take responsibility for your actions and stop blaming every other person for all thats bad in your life'.
Whos gonna employ a homeless person? use your brain before you type garbage like that, alot of homeless people look harder than anybody for jobs, but no employer is gonna hire somebody who sleeps rough
Posted by: Scott's Mum, Basildon on 2:23pm Thu 17 May 07
[bold] TO GAIL IN BASILDON...can you not read?[/bold]As Scott stated in his interview,he cannot come here..there are now 5 of us in our 3 bedroomed house since my step-children moved in over a year after Scott moved out..and if he did sleep on the sofa here he would never have a chance of getting somewhere of his own to live...
[bold]AND TO EMMA IN PITSEA[/bold]did you not read the bit about Scott losing his job basically because he is now homeless?
I'm glad you think this is all so easy to remedy,and I'm glad you all think that this is all my fault...at least you then don't have to blame your beloved council who stated that[quote]there are no people sleeping rough on Basildon streets(Yesterday's Echo)[/quote].Just pray that it never happens to you or yours...
TO GAIL IN BASILDON...can you not read?As Scott stated in his interview,he cannot come here..there are now 5 of us in our 3 bedroomed house since my step-children moved in over a year after Scott moved out..and if he did sleep on the sofa here he would never have a chance of getting somewhere of his own to live...
AND TO EMMA IN PITSEAdid you not read the bit about Scott losing his job basically because he is now homeless?
I'm glad you think this is all so easy to remedy,and I'm glad you all think that this is all my fault...at least you then don't have to blame your beloved council who stated that
there are no people sleeping rough on Basildon streets(Yesterday's Echo)
.Just pray that it never happens to you or yours...
Posted by: Gary, Pitsea on 2:26pm Thu 17 May 07
well i know scott and natalie personally i have spent time helping them both out and they do try but if you think and put your brain in gear you might actually understand why they are there
well i know scott and natalie personally i have spent time helping them both out and they do try but if you think and put your brain in gear you might actually understand why they are there
Posted by: tina, basildon on 2:27pm Thu 17 May 07
well then surely he can take his previous employers to the tribunral because they cant sack him just because he is homeless
well then surely he can take his previous employers to the tribunral because they cant sack him just because he is homeless
Posted by: Gail, Basildon on 2:33pm Thu 17 May 07
TO SCOTT'S MUM, I dont need to pray this wouldnt happen to me as I would rather be over crowded and know that my children were safe than have than have them sleep rough where anything could happen to them and if Scott was living at home he wouldnt of lost his job over crowded or not. I'm sorry if this offends you but I don't see where you are coming from, your childs safety and wellbeing should come first.
TO SCOTT'S MUM, I dont need to pray this wouldnt happen to me as I would rather be over crowded and know that my children were safe than have than have them sleep rough where anything could happen to them and if Scott was living at home he wouldnt of lost his job over crowded or not. I'm sorry if this offends you but I don't see where you are coming from, your childs safety and wellbeing should come first.
Posted by: Maggie, pitsea on 2:35pm Thu 17 May 07
will if you get to know natalie and scott like i do then u would like to help them as well neither of them need this after every thing they have both gone through. natalie is here due to domestic violence from her family because she is autistic and scott is getting accused of something he hasn't done so i think you should all think about how you would feel if you were in there shoes
will if you get to know natalie and scott like i do then u would like to help them as well neither of them need this after every thing they have both gone through. natalie is here due to domestic violence from her family because she is autistic and scott is getting accused of something he hasn't done so i think you should all think about how you would feel if you were in there shoes
Posted by: Dave, Basildon on 2:44pm Thu 17 May 07
I have know Scott for a few years and he is a really nice guy it a shame that the F****** council don't pull their fingers out, as for Natalie well I have only know her for a short period of time and she is a very troubled person due to her family abusing her up until she came down her, and you can see that though the self harm she has done to herself, and for the 3rd person that is announced she is staying with me i would let the other 2 stay with me but it is over crowded. Now i have been on the council list for 2 years and apparently I am considered as "High priority" we have 7 people living in a 3 bedroom house tell you what council do your f****** jobs for a change and actually reduce those figure and not just putting it down on paper and show us proof, I do apologize for the fowl language but the council really know how to push my button.
I have know Scott for a few years and he is a really nice guy it a shame that the F****** council don't pull their fingers out, as for Natalie well I have only know her for a short period of time and she is a very troubled person due to her family abusing her up until she came down her, and you can see that though the self harm she has done to herself, and for the 3rd person that is announced she is staying with me i would let the other 2 stay with me but it is over crowded. Now i have been on the council list for 2 years and apparently I am considered as "High priority" we have 7 people living in a 3 bedroom house tell you what council do your f****** jobs for a change and actually reduce those figure and not just putting it down on paper and show us proof, I do apologize for the fowl language but the council really know how to push my button.
Posted by: canvasser, in-tents on 2:57pm Thu 17 May 07
my advice to these two is to move to southend, we already have a camp where you can set up home and the council will not move you on. just pretend you are looking after our heritage.
my advice to these two is to move to southend, we already have a camp where you can set up home and the council will not move you on. just pretend you are looking after our heritage.
Posted by: Gail, Basildon on 3:03pm Thu 17 May 07
If these people dont have an address to enable them to work, do they still get benefit or is an address required for that.
If these people dont have an address to enable them to work, do they still get benefit or is an address required for that.
Posted by: Basildon Billy on 3:06pm Thu 17 May 07
Biggest ****-take is that if scott has previously worked he'd have been paying council tax to house other people aswell as the wages of the people who said they cant help him
Biggest ****-take is that if scott has previously worked he'd have been paying council tax to house other people aswell as the wages of the people who said they cant help him
Posted by: Scott's Mum, Basildon on 3:18pm Thu 17 May 07
that's exactly the thing Billy,even though Scott was statmented at school he got himself a job,and has worked to keep his family,paid hid taxes and never claimed hand-outs,but now he needs the help of others that have done exactly the same as him he is shunned...just because he split with his girlfriend and had to move out so his family still had a roof over their heads...and as for benefits,I am under the impression you have to have a permanant address to claim them...don't know,never had to claim them (family trait obviously)
that's exactly the thing Billy,even though Scott was statmented at school he got himself a job,and has worked to keep his family,paid hid taxes and never claimed hand-outs,but now he needs the help of others that have done exactly the same as him he is shunned...just because he split with his girlfriend and had to move out so his family still had a roof over their heads...and as for benefits,I am under the impression you have to have a permanant address to claim them...don't know,never had to claim them (family trait obviously)
Posted by: The Vicar on 3:21pm Thu 17 May 07
Scott's Mum: is there not a single relative of yours that could take Scott in?
Is there no room on any of the three bedroom floors to sleep on?
Scott's Mum: is there not a single relative of yours that could take Scott in?
Is there no room on any of the three bedroom floors to sleep on?
Posted by: Gary (scotts and natalies friend), pitsea on 3:27pm Thu 17 May 07
well i hope that now people know that they are there things might actually get sorted and i would also like to thank the people in the local area that have helped him survive this long. but i would also like to say that some off the police that have attended the camp site have been really nice but you have also had officers turn up and just want to cause trouble and search for some reason to arrest somebody there
well i hope that now people know that they are there things might actually get sorted and i would also like to thank the people in the local area that have helped him survive this long. but i would also like to say that some off the police that have attended the camp site have been really nice but you have also had officers turn up and just want to cause trouble and search for some reason to arrest somebody there
Posted by: Tony Montana, essex on 3:31pm Thu 17 May 07
I bet they're sitting in that tent smoking weed and all sorts. Why don't his mum let him sleep in the garage or car, must be better than sleeping outside!
I bet they're sitting in that tent smoking weed and all sorts. Why don't his mum let him sleep in the garage or car, must be better than sleeping outside!
Posted by: The Vicar on 3:37pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]Tony Montana[/bold] wrote:
<b nd="58"> I bet they're sitting in that tent smoking weed and all sorts. Why don't his mum let him sleep in the garage or car, must be better than sleeping outside! </b>[/quote] Even a tent in the back garden!
Perhaps they should take a leaf (sorry Essex Police) out of Eastenders. Some of those houses are only two bedroom but they manage to house about 15 generations of family.
You can't tell me there isn't room somewhere for a sleeping bag.
Tony Montana wrote:
<b nd="58"> I bet they're sitting in that tent smoking weed and all sorts. Why don't his mum let him sleep in the garage or car, must be better than sleeping outside! </b>
Even a tent in the back garden!
Perhaps they should take a leaf (sorry Essex Police) out of Eastenders. Some of those houses are only two bedroom but they manage to house about 15 generations of family.
You can't tell me there isn't room somewhere for a sleeping bag.
Posted by: Local Boy, Hawkwell on 3:40pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote]I bet they're sitting in that tent smoking weed and all sorts. Why don't his mum let him sleep in the garage or car, must be better than sleeping outside![/quote]
What right have you to imply that these people are smoking weed and all sorts? And what exactly do you mean by all sorts?
I bet they're sitting in that tent smoking weed and all sorts. Why don't his mum let him sleep in the garage or car, must be better than sleeping outside!
What right have you to imply that these people are smoking weed and all sorts? And what exactly do you mean by all sorts?
Posted by: Rita on 3:53pm Thu 17 May 07
Vicar - you're right - Pat Butcher ALWAYS has enough room in her house in 'enders!
Local Boy - you should be aware of Tony's style of "humour" by now...
Most of the things Tony writes would get a laugh if they were said by, say, David Brent from The Office - yes a cringe here and there but still a laugh. I really don't think Tony is being vindictive or unkind but I can appreciate others' shock at some of his comments.
Vicar - you're right - Pat Butcher ALWAYS has enough room in her house in 'enders!
Local Boy - you should be aware of Tony's style of "humour" by now...
Most of the things Tony writes would get a laugh if they were said by, say, David Brent from The Office - yes a cringe here and there but still a laugh. I really don't think Tony is being vindictive or unkind but I can appreciate others' shock at some of his comments.
Posted by: Peter, Southend-on-Sea on 3:56pm Thu 17 May 07
Why dont they pitch their tents in Europe's biggest free campsite at Cray's Hill / Dale Farm ?
They could then get a 'cash in hand' job (tarmac'in drives)& claim benifits in the same way all the other holiday makers their have!
Why dont they pitch their tents in Europe's biggest free campsite at Cray's Hill / Dale Farm ?
They could then get a 'cash in hand' job (tarmac'in drives)& claim benifits in the same way all the other holiday makers their have!
Posted by: Bored on 4:00pm Thu 17 May 07
It's simple, just make out you are Eastern European and you will be found somewhere straight away.
It's simple, just make out you are Eastern European and you will be found somewhere straight away.
Posted by: Basildon Billy on 4:02pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]Tony Montana[/bold] wrote:
I bet they're sitting in that tent smoking weed and all sorts. Why don't his mum let him sleep in the garage or car, must be better than sleeping outside! [/quote] HA HA! if they were, I think Id go down and join them
Tony Montana wrote:
I bet they're sitting in that tent smoking weed and all sorts. Why don't his mum let him sleep in the garage or car, must be better than sleeping outside!
HA HA! if they were, I think Id go down and join them
Posted by: Rita on 4:04pm Thu 17 May 07
Peter - it's not really a "free" campsite - after all the travellers own the land, they just shouldn't have built on it....
If this guys family had been travellers then I can almost guarantee he would have been looked after by at least one member of said family.
Peter - it's not really a "free" campsite - after all the travellers own the land, they just shouldn't have built on it....
If this guys family had been travellers then I can almost guarantee he would have been looked after by at least one member of said family.
Posted by: Gary, pitsea on 4:36pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]Tony Montana[/bold] wrote:
<b> I bet they're sitting in that tent smoking weed and all sorts. Why don't his mum let him sleep in the garage or car, must be better than sleeping outside! </b>[/quote] well i can say they are not sitting in the tents smoking weed that is so steroetypical of teenagers not all tennagers do that
Tony Montana wrote:
<b> I bet they're sitting in that tent smoking weed and all sorts. Why don't his mum let him sleep in the garage or car, must be better than sleeping outside! </b>
well i can say they are not sitting in the tents smoking weed that is so steroetypical of teenagers not all tennagers do that
Posted by: mike, pitsea on 5:49pm Thu 17 May 07
im a freind of scotts and its not like his mum has not asked for him to come home but then he would never get his own place and he did not loose his job because he was homeless he lost it due t the lack of common sence on the police force who arested him over a blade which is a camping esential. Befor scot lost his job he only wanted a council property to rent he ddnt want no hand outs so all you that have comented negativly take a good hard look at your self because you havent done anything to help this problem and i bet all of you live in council properts and half of you are on the dole. All the council said is to try and lodge but no one trusts a lodger under 25 so his screwed!! now wot?
im a freind of scotts and its not like his mum has not asked for him to come home but then he would never get his own place and he did not loose his job because he was homeless he lost it due t the lack of common sence on the police force who arested him over a blade which is a camping esential. Befor scot lost his job he only wanted a council property to rent he ddnt want no hand outs so all you that have comented negativly take a good hard look at your self because you havent done anything to help this problem and i bet all of you live in council properts and half of you are on the dole. All the council said is to try and lodge but no one trusts a lodger under 25 so his screwed!! now wot?
Posted by: walby on 5:55pm Thu 17 May 07
what you should do is go into your local dhss put on an eastern european accent and the money and houses will be there in a flash.
just another case of this government not looking after its own.
what you should do is go into your local dhss put on an eastern european accent and the money and houses will be there in a flash.
just another case of this government not looking after its own.
Posted by: Local Boy, Hawkwell on 6:12pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote]what you should do is go into your local dhss put on an eastern european accent and the money and houses will be there in a flash.
just another case of this government not looking after its own.[/quote] This absolute rubbish, if you are single, no children and young you get exactly the same treatment. It doesn't matter where you are from - same result!
what you should do is go into your local dhss put on an eastern european accent and the money and houses will be there in a flash.
just another case of this government not looking after its own.
This absolute rubbish, if you are single, no children and young you get exactly the same treatment. It doesn't matter where you are from - same result!
Posted by: Bored on 6:19pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]Local Boy[/bold] wrote:
[quote]what you should do is go into your local dhss put on an eastern european accent and the money and houses will be there in a flash. just another case of this government not looking after its own.[/quote] This absolute rubbish, if you are single, no children and young you get exactly the same treatment. It doesn't matter where you are from - same result![/quote] Whatever!
Local Boy wrote:
what you should do is go into your local dhss put on an eastern european accent and the money and houses will be there in a flash. just another case of this government not looking after its own.
This absolute rubbish, if you are single, no children and young you get exactly the same treatment. It doesn't matter where you are from - same result!
Whatever!
Posted by: Melody, Portsmouth on 6:33pm Thu 17 May 07
I don't know,not those pesky Eastern Europeans again;coming over here, turning up when they say they will,working really hard,no attempt to rip you off,or telling various females to get their t*ts out when they walk past; they are just not assimilating themselves to British culture at all are they?
I don't know,not those pesky Eastern Europeans again;coming over here, turning up when they say they will,working really hard,no attempt to rip you off,or telling various females to get their t*ts out when they walk past; they are just not assimilating themselves to British culture at all are they?
Posted by: walby on 7:05pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]Melody[/bold] wrote:
I don't know,not those pesky Eastern Europeans again;coming over here, turning up when they say they will,working really hard,no attempt to rip you off,or telling various females to get their t*ts out when they walk past; they are just not assimilating themselves to British culture at all are they?[/quote] sending their women out pickpocketing, running brothels with forced labour,cloning credit cards, theiving identities.
Melody wrote:
I don't know,not those pesky Eastern Europeans again;coming over here, turning up when they say they will,working really hard,no attempt to rip you off,or telling various females to get their t*ts out when they walk past; they are just not assimilating themselves to British culture at all are they?
sending their women out pickpocketing, running brothels with forced labour,cloning credit cards, theiving identities.
Posted by: Bored on 7:17pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]Melody[/bold] wrote:
I don't know,not those pesky Eastern Europeans again;coming over here, turning up when they say they will,working really hard,no attempt to rip you off,or telling various females to get their t*ts out when they walk past; they are just not assimilating themselves to British culture at all are they?[/quote] Armed raids on betting shops, knife attacks in off licences, thefts from shops, knife attacks in road rage incidents, rapes, targeting people praying in mosques, gangs that hang around preying on the vunerable, brutal attacks on trains....mmmm
Melody wrote:
I don't know,not those pesky Eastern Europeans again;coming over here, turning up when they say they will,working really hard,no attempt to rip you off,or telling various females to get their t*ts out when they walk past; they are just not assimilating themselves to British culture at all are they?
Armed raids on betting shops, knife attacks in off licences, thefts from shops, knife attacks in road rage incidents, rapes, targeting people praying in mosques, gangs that hang around preying on the vunerable, brutal attacks on trains....mmmm
Posted by: Melody, Portsmouth on 7:29pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]Bored[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Melody[/bold] wrote: I don't know,not those pesky Eastern Europeans again;coming over here, turning up when they say they will,working really hard,no attempt to rip you off,or telling various females to get their t*ts out when they walk past; they are just not assimilating themselves to British culture at all are they?[/quote] Armed raids on betting shops, knife attacks in off licences, thefts from shops, knife attacks in road rage incidents, rapes, targeting people praying in mosques, gangs that hang around preying on the vunerable, brutal attacks on trains....mmmm[/quote] Surely not all essex people are like that are they.Anyway I thought we were talking about Eastern Europeans.:)
Bored wrote:
Melody wrote: I don't know,not those pesky Eastern Europeans again;coming over here, turning up when they say they will,working really hard,no attempt to rip you off,or telling various females to get their t*ts out when they walk past; they are just not assimilating themselves to British culture at all are they?
Armed raids on betting shops, knife attacks in off licences, thefts from shops, knife attacks in road rage incidents, rapes, targeting people praying in mosques, gangs that hang around preying on the vunerable, brutal attacks on trains....mmmm
Surely not all essex people are like that are they.Anyway I thought we were talking about Eastern Europeans.:)
Posted by: Local Boy, Hawkwell on 7:43pm Thu 17 May 07
Nice one one Melody, all the Eastern Europeans I have met work very hard.
Bored is so whatever and Walby clearly so bored that they can't be bothered quoting facts, far to easy to use rhetoric, rumour and hearsay.
Getting facts is hard work, forming opinions from facts is even more challenging.
Blaming foreigners or people who are different, now that's easy.
Nice one one Melody, all the Eastern Europeans I have met work very hard.
Bored is so whatever and Walby clearly so bored that they can't be bothered quoting facts, far to easy to use rhetoric, rumour and hearsay.
Getting facts is hard work, forming opinions from facts is even more challenging.
Blaming foreigners or people who are different, now that's easy.
Posted by: Bored on 7:46pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]Local Boy[/bold] wrote:
Nice one one Melody, all the Eastern Europeans I have met work very hard. Bored is so whatever and Walby clearly so bored that they can't be bothered quoting facts, far to easy to use rhetoric, rumour and hearsay. Getting facts is hard work, forming opinions from facts is even more challenging. Blaming foreigners or people who are different, now that's easy.[/quote] THEY ARE FACTS, THEY ARE FROM THE ECHO ARCHIVES. NEXT QUESTION?
Local Boy wrote:
Nice one one Melody, all the Eastern Europeans I have met work very hard. Bored is so whatever and Walby clearly so bored that they can't be bothered quoting facts, far to easy to use rhetoric, rumour and hearsay. Getting facts is hard work, forming opinions from facts is even more challenging. Blaming foreigners or people who are different, now that's easy.
THEY ARE FACTS, THEY ARE FROM THE ECHO ARCHIVES. NEXT QUESTION?
Posted by: Local Boy, Hawkwell on 7:56pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote]THEY ARE FACTS, THEY ARE FROM THE ECHO ARCHIVES. NEXT QUESTION?[/quote] I do apologise bored if it's in the Echo archive it is obviously correct. When I search for the information should I enter Eastern European rapist and crooks or is there another search I should put in?
THEY ARE FACTS, THEY ARE FROM THE ECHO ARCHIVES. NEXT QUESTION?
I do apologise bored if it's in the Echo archive it is obviously correct. When I search for the information should I enter Eastern European rapist and crooks or is there another search I should put in?
Posted by: scotts dad on 8:24pm Thu 17 May 07
Myself and his step mum have been out tonight looking for him,we did find him and have offered him a place to stay as long as he needs it,but he is making a stand to get rehomed by council..he knows he can come to stay with us at anytime...
Myself and his step mum have been out tonight looking for him,we did find him and have offered him a place to stay as long as he needs it,but he is making a stand to get rehomed by council..he knows he can come to stay with us at anytime...
Posted by: Lisa Jensen on 8:49pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]walby[/bold] wrote:
what you should do is go into your local dhss put on an eastern european accent and the money and houses will be there in a flash. just another case of this government not looking after its own.[/quote] Walby, where have you been? We've missed you!!!
Fact 1. If you are a single male then the council will do sweet f.a to help you and under current homeless legislation do not have a legal requirement to do so.
Fact 2. Male or female, if you present to your local council with a medical condition, ie autism and he has been statemented then the council has a legal obligation to help him with temporary accomodation My thinking on this is if he was charged with a knife offence then they will not do it as many temp accomodation is a hostel with children in. They are within legal rights to deny him of this if they consider his criminal conviction to be a risk to others.
For the young lady in question if she is fleeing domestic violence as claimed then again the council have a legal obligation to temp house, if she has a medical condition then again this adds to her case.
Also she can approach womens aid, that is what they are there for.
It is not for anyone here to judge these people and it is easy to sit in our cosy homes in front of our pc's sitting in judgement. This could happen to anyone of us. In London most of the homeless are people who have served this country, put there lives on the line and when they leave they are tossed aside, just like children who leave the care system. Not all homeless are junkies or sit there smoking weed. Oh and another thing, not all crime is done by eastern europeans and travellers, there is not a travelling family that would sit back and let this happen to a member of there family, that I would put money on.
walby wrote:
what you should do is go into your local dhss put on an eastern european accent and the money and houses will be there in a flash. just another case of this government not looking after its own.
Walby, where have you been? We've missed you!!!
Fact 1. If you are a single male then the council will do sweet f.a to help you and under current homeless legislation do not have a legal requirement to do so.
Fact 2. Male or female, if you present to your local council with a medical condition, ie autism and he has been statemented then the council has a legal obligation to help him with temporary accomodation My thinking on this is if he was charged with a knife offence then they will not do it as many temp accomodation is a hostel with children in. They are within legal rights to deny him of this if they consider his criminal conviction to be a risk to others.
For the young lady in question if she is fleeing domestic violence as claimed then again the council have a legal obligation to temp house, if she has a medical condition then again this adds to her case.
Also she can approach womens aid, that is what they are there for.
It is not for anyone here to judge these people and it is easy to sit in our cosy homes in front of our pc's sitting in judgement. This could happen to anyone of us. In London most of the homeless are people who have served this country, put there lives on the line and when they leave they are tossed aside, just like children who leave the care system. Not all homeless are junkies or sit there smoking weed. Oh and another thing, not all crime is done by eastern europeans and travellers, there is not a travelling family that would sit back and let this happen to a member of there family, that I would put money on.
Posted by: walby on 9:14pm Thu 17 May 07
they dont have to , there is not a travelling family that would sit back and let this happen to a member of there family, that I would put money on.
of course your right lisa , they just develope what land they want to.
as soon as they need more room they just widen their boundaries.
before the council start to evict these people who ARE IN NEED, they should have a long hard think about the debacle they have allowed at dale farm.
they dont have to , there is not a travelling family that would sit back and let this happen to a member of there family, that I would put money on.
of course your right lisa , they just develope what land they want to.
as soon as they need more room they just widen their boundaries.
before the council start to evict these people who ARE IN NEED, they should have a long hard think about the debacle they have allowed at dale farm.
Posted by: Lisa Jensen on 9:15pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]walby[/bold] wrote:
they dont have to , there is not a travelling family that would sit back and let this happen to a member of there family, that I would put money on. of course your right lisa , they just develope what land they want to. as soon as they need more room they just widen their boundaries. before the council start to evict these people who ARE IN NEED, they should have a long hard think about the debacle they have allowed at dale farm.[/quote] And I welcomed you back...
walby wrote:
they dont have to , there is not a travelling family that would sit back and let this happen to a member of there family, that I would put money on. of course your right lisa , they just develope what land they want to. as soon as they need more room they just widen their boundaries. before the council start to evict these people who ARE IN NEED, they should have a long hard think about the debacle they have allowed at dale farm.
And I welcomed you back...
Posted by: chris her brother, nottingham on 10:26pm Thu 17 May 07
[bold]hi i am nats brother i think it is hilarious.:):) but shes chose this position not us so we dont know so she's made her bed and now she can lie in it[/bold]
hi i am nats brother i think it is hilarious.:):) but shes chose this position not us so we dont know so she's made her bed and now she can lie in it Posted by: tina, basildon on 10:42pm Thu 17 May 07
tell me chris what do you find so hilarious about your sister shacking, sorry tenting up iwth two blokes that she dosent even know?
tell me chris what do you find so hilarious about your sister shacking, sorry tenting up iwth two blokes that she dosent even know?
Posted by: Lisa Jensen on 10:48pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]chris her brother[/bold] wrote:
[bold]hi i am nats brother i think it is hilarious.:):) but shes chose this position not us so we dont know so she's made her bed and now she can lie in it[/bold] [/quote] Please tell me how this is funny. IF as your sister alledges she was a victim of domestic abuse within YOUR household I would not be laughing. I would be hanging my head in shame. Tell us please, is the autistic as she says?
chris her brother wrote:
hi i am nats brother i think it is hilarious.:):) but shes chose this position not us so we dont know so she's made her bed and now she can lie in it
Please tell me how this is funny. IF as your sister alledges she was a victim of domestic abuse within YOUR household I would not be laughing. I would be hanging my head in shame. Tell us please, is the autistic as she says?
Posted by: the painter, mayland on 10:50pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]The Vicar[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Tony Montana[/bold] wrote:
<b nd="58"> I bet they're sitting in that tent smoking weed and all sorts. Why don't his mum let him sleep in the garage or car, must be better than sleeping outside! </b>[/quote] Even a tent in the back garden!
Perhaps they should take a leaf (sorry Essex Police) out of Eastenders. Some of those houses are only two bedroom but they manage to house about 15 generations of family.
You can't tell me there isn't room somewhere for a sleeping bag.[/quote] come on vicar wake up smell the coffee its a stunt now they have been in the paper i bet they are housed within two days if he was my boy i would put him in the loft if i had to
The Vicar wrote:
Tony Montana wrote:
<b nd="58"> I bet they're sitting in that tent smoking weed and all sorts. Why don't his mum let him sleep in the garage or car, must be better than sleeping outside! </b>
Even a tent in the back garden!
Perhaps they should take a leaf (sorry Essex Police) out of Eastenders. Some of those houses are only two bedroom but they manage to house about 15 generations of family.
You can't tell me there isn't room somewhere for a sleeping bag.
come on vicar wake up smell the coffee its a stunt now they have been in the paper i bet they are housed within two days if he was my boy i would put him in the loft if i had to
Posted by: the painter, mayland on 10:53pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]Gary[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Tony Montana[/bold] wrote:
<b> I bet they're sitting in that tent smoking weed and all sorts. Why don't his mum let him sleep in the garage or car, must be better than sleeping outside! </b>[/quote] well i can say they are not sitting in the tents smoking weed that is so steroetypical of teenagers not all tennagers do that [/quote] im on my way back now
Gary wrote:
Tony Montana wrote:
<b> I bet they're sitting in that tent smoking weed and all sorts. Why don't his mum let him sleep in the garage or car, must be better than sleeping outside! </b>
well i can say they are not sitting in the tents smoking weed that is so steroetypical of teenagers not all tennagers do that
im on my way back now
Posted by: chris her brother, nottingham on 10:54pm Thu 17 May 07
[bold]bold[/bold] yes she is autistic and if u think that u can but i havent been abused and the scars on her arm are from the iron!!! ok well thats what she told us. also she was the violent 1 we just wanted her 2 clean her room and do a few chores!!! so if i think that we havent tryed why dnt u take her in and u will find it really difficult!!!!!!
yes she is autistic and if u think that u can but i havent been abused and the scars on her arm are from the iron!!! ok well thats what she told us. also she was the violent 1 we just wanted her 2 clean her room and do a few chores!!! so if i think that we havent tryed why dnt u take her in and u will find it really difficult!!!!!!
Posted by: the painter, mayland on 10:55pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]Local Boy[/bold] wrote:
[quote]what you should do is go into your local dhss put on an eastern european accent and the money and houses will be there in a flash.
just another case of this government not looking after its own.[/quote] This absolute rubbish, if you are single, no children and young you get exactly the same treatment. It doesn't matter where you are from - same result![/quote] are we both in the same country
Local Boy wrote:
what you should do is go into your local dhss put on an eastern european accent and the money and houses will be there in a flash.
just another case of this government not looking after its own.
This absolute rubbish, if you are single, no children and young you get exactly the same treatment. It doesn't matter where you are from - same result!
are we both in the same country
Posted by: tina, basildon on 10:55pm Thu 17 May 07
sorry yet again i have to agree with the painter (god whats happening to me) now that they have been in the paper the council cant afford to be seen as being this heartless so they will now proberbly find them somewhere to live
sorry yet again i have to agree with the painter (god whats happening to me) now that they have been in the paper the council cant afford to be seen as being this heartless so they will now proberbly find them somewhere to live
Posted by: Basildon Billy on 10:57pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]Local Boy[/bold] wrote:
Nice one one Melody, all the Eastern Europeans I have met work very hard.
Bored is so whatever and Walby clearly so bored that they can't be bothered quoting facts, far to easy to use rhetoric, rumour and hearsay.
Getting facts is hard work, forming opinions from facts is even more challenging.
Blaming foreigners or people who are different, now that's easy.[/quote] You are aware that any eastern european with a crminal record can enter this country just as any other person can dont you? you may have met a hard-working minority of immigrants but the fact is thousands of eastern european crminals have decided that instead of living in poverty where they are, they would rather enter the UK, where we have no record of their crimes, to further their criminal careers, as if they are caught, the prison cell they will be living in is alot better than their own home, and if they arnt caught, they have a garunteed £90 a fortnight in their pocket from benefits, free healthcare, free housing, etc why would they possibly stay in their own country to steal from other poor people?
Local Boy wrote:
Nice one one Melody, all the Eastern Europeans I have met work very hard.
Bored is so whatever and Walby clearly so bored that they can't be bothered quoting facts, far to easy to use rhetoric, rumour and hearsay.
Getting facts is hard work, forming opinions from facts is even more challenging.
Blaming foreigners or people who are different, now that's easy.
You are aware that any eastern european with a crminal record can enter this country just as any other person can dont you? you may have met a hard-working minority of immigrants but the fact is thousands of eastern european crminals have decided that instead of living in poverty where they are, they would rather enter the UK, where we have no record of their crimes, to further their criminal careers, as if they are caught, the prison cell they will be living in is alot better than their own home, and if they arnt caught, they have a garunteed £90 a fortnight in their pocket from benefits, free healthcare, free housing, etc why would they possibly stay in their own country to steal from other poor people?
Posted by: Bored on 11:16pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]Basildon Billy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Local Boy[/bold] wrote: Nice one one Melody, all the Eastern Europeans I have met work very hard. Bored is so whatever and Walby clearly so bored that they can't be bothered quoting facts, far to easy to use rhetoric, rumour and hearsay. Getting facts is hard work, forming opinions from facts is even more challenging. Blaming foreigners or people who are different, now that's easy.[/quote] You are aware that any eastern european with a crminal record can enter this country just as any other person can dont you? you may have met a hard-working minority of immigrants but the fact is thousands of eastern european crminals have decided that instead of living in poverty where they are, they would rather enter the UK, where we have no record of their crimes, to further their criminal careers, as if they are caught, the prison cell they will be living in is alot better than their own home, and if they arnt caught, they have a garunteed £90 a fortnight in their pocket from benefits, free healthcare, free housing, etc why would they possibly stay in their own country to steal from other poor people?[/quote] Well said Billy. As for Local Boy, I thought I was having a conversation with Rod Hull and Emu, he obviously has his head in the sand. I wonder if he knows that council taxes could have to rise because of a massive underestimate in the number of immigrants coming to Britain. Charity begins at home as far as I'm concerned.
Basildon Billy wrote:
Local Boy wrote: Nice one one Melody, all the Eastern Europeans I have met work very hard. Bored is so whatever and Walby clearly so bored that they can't be bothered quoting facts, far to easy to use rhetoric, rumour and hearsay. Getting facts is hard work, forming opinions from facts is even more challenging. Blaming foreigners or people who are different, now that's easy.
You are aware that any eastern european with a crminal record can enter this country just as any other person can dont you? you may have met a hard-working minority of immigrants but the fact is thousands of eastern european crminals have decided that instead of living in poverty where they are, they would rather enter the UK, where we have no record of their crimes, to further their criminal careers, as if they are caught, the prison cell they will be living in is alot better than their own home, and if they arnt caught, they have a garunteed £90 a fortnight in their pocket from benefits, free healthcare, free housing, etc why would they possibly stay in their own country to steal from other poor people?
Well said Billy. As for Local Boy, I thought I was having a conversation with Rod Hull and Emu, he obviously has his head in the sand. I wonder if he knows that council taxes could have to rise because of a massive underestimate in the number of immigrants coming to Britain. Charity begins at home as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: Basildon Billy on 11:36pm Thu 17 May 07
Fact is, if u believe all immigrants that come here are hard-working, honest people that just want to be accepted into our society your incredibally naive, imagine if it was the other way round, imagine if france decided all immigants could claim benefits of £150 a week, the law was more relaxed, you didnt have to pay for housing, dental, healthcare, etc was all free, your criminal record was scrapped, you could claim child benefit for your children back home, who they cant prove doesnt exist, they made no effort to make u work, prison was like a hotel, you could sue and claim your human rights have been infringed if anything doesnt go your way, every argos-jewellery-wear
ing lout and chav would be on the first ferry to calais, we are basically offering that to every country in europe, hence the fact about 70% of the people in UK prisons are immigrants
Fact is, if u believe all immigrants that come here are hard-working, honest people that just want to be accepted into our society your incredibally naive, imagine if it was the other way round, imagine if france decided all immigants could claim benefits of £150 a week, the law was more relaxed, you didnt have to pay for housing, dental, healthcare, etc was all free, your criminal record was scrapped, you could claim child benefit for your children back home, who they cant prove doesnt exist, they made no effort to make u work, prison was like a hotel, you could sue and claim your human rights have been infringed if anything doesnt go your way, every argos-jewellery-wear
ing lout and chav would be on the first ferry to calais, we are basically offering that to every country in europe, hence the fact about 70% of the people in UK prisons are immigrants
Posted by: Bored on 11:43pm Thu 17 May 07
[quote][bold]Basildon Billy[/bold] wrote:
Fact is, if u believe all immigrants that come here are hard-working, honest people that just want to be accepted into our society your incredibally naive, imagine if it was the other way round, imagine if france decided all immigants could claim benefits of £150 a week, the law was more relaxed, you didnt have to pay for housing, dental, healthcare, etc was all free, your criminal record was scrapped, you could claim child benefit for your children back home, who they cant prove doesnt exist, they made no effort to make u work, prison was like a hotel, you could sue and claim your human rights have been infringed if anything doesnt go your way, every argos-jewellery-wear ing lout and chav would be on the first ferry to calais, we are basically offering that to every country in europe, hence the fact about 70% of the people in UK prisons are immigrants[/quote] It amazes me how anyone can think differently Billy, you only have to read the papers or watch the news to see what is really going on. This country is finished!.
Basildon Billy wrote:
Fact is, if u believe all immigrants that come here are hard-working, honest people that just want to be accepted into our society your incredibally naive, imagine if it was the other way round, imagine if france decided all immigants could claim benefits of £150 a week, the law was more relaxed, you didnt have to pay for housing, dental, healthcare, etc was all free, your criminal record was scrapped, you could claim child benefit for your children back home, who they cant prove doesnt exist, they made no effort to make u work, prison was like a hotel, you could sue and claim your human rights have been infringed if anything doesnt go your way, every argos-jewellery-wear ing lout and chav would be on the first ferry to calais, we are basically offering that to every country in europe, hence the fact about 70% of the people in UK prisons are immigrants
It amazes me how anyone can think differently Billy, you only have to read the papers or watch the news to see what is really going on. This country is finished!.
Posted by: charlie, pitsea on 11:58pm Thu 17 May 07
to "chris her brother"
1st of all i would like to say "her" has a name so use it.and how u can sit there laughing about nat people like u make me sick i mean its ok for u u have a comfy bed to sleep in at nite put urself in nats position see how her life is now coz im telling you it is a **** way to live i wouldnt wish it on my worst enermy never mind my family.i just wish the council could help scott and nat out because its not nice seeing ppl living like this think how cold they r y were all sitting here nice and warm ..if i could help i would but ive only got a small 2 bedroom house and 5 ppl living her other wise i would let them come her..to scotts mum u should be proud of ur son most teenagers just think oh i wont get a job ill be on the dole all my life but atleast his trying i no its hard to find a job im looking my self nothing out there.. hope this has not affended anyone just thought ild ave my say .
to "chris her brother"
1st of all i would like to say "her" has a name so use it.and how u can sit there laughing about nat people like u make me sick i mean its ok for u u have a comfy bed to sleep in at nite put urself in nats position see how her life is now coz im telling you it is a **** way to live i wouldnt wish it on my worst enermy never mind my family.i just wish the council could help scott and nat out because its not nice seeing ppl living like this think how cold they r y were all sitting here nice and warm ..if i could help i would but ive only got a small 2 bedroom house and 5 ppl living her other wise i would let them come her..to scotts mum u should be proud of ur son most teenagers just think oh i wont get a job ill be on the dole all my life but atleast his trying i no its hard to find a job im looking my self nothing out there.. hope this has not affended anyone just thought ild ave my say .
Posted by: scotts step-mum, billericay on 8:17am Fri 18 May 07
Scott can come and stay with us as long as he needs to,we will help him all we can ,he only has to ask.....we are not happy about how he is living!!!
Scott can come and stay with us as long as he needs to,we will help him all we can ,he only has to ask.....we are not happy about how he is living!!!
Posted by: the painter, mayland on 9:17am Fri 18 May 07
[quote][bold]tina[/bold] wrote:
sorry yet again i have to agree with the painter (god whats happening to me) now that they have been in the paper the council cant afford to be seen as being this heartless so they will now proberbly find them somewhere to live [/quote] in agreement twice in one day i want a urine sample off of you im sure your taking something
tina wrote:
sorry yet again i have to agree with the painter (god whats happening to me) now that they have been in the paper the council cant afford to be seen as being this heartless so they will now proberbly find them somewhere to live
in agreement twice in one day i want a urine sample off of you im sure your taking something
Posted by: Local Boy, Hawkwell on 9:18am Fri 18 May 07
[quote]hence the fact about 70% of the people in UK prisons are immigrants[/quote]
Usual clap trap from the "blame everything on the foreigners brigade"
Check your facts, the home office statistics on prison population are published and you will see that 84% of the male prison population is white and British.
hence the fact about 70% of the people in UK prisons are immigrants
Usual clap trap from the "blame everything on the foreigners brigade"
Check your facts, the home office statistics on prison population are published and you will see that 84% of the male prison population is white and British.
Posted by: The Vicar on 9:28am Fri 18 May 07
[quote][bold]the painter[/bold] wrote:
<b>[quote][bold]The Vicar[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Tony Montana[/bold] wrote:
&lt;b nd="58"&gt; I bet they're sitting in that tent smoking weed and all sorts. Why don't his mum let him sleep in the garage or car, must be better than sleeping outside! &lt;/b&gt;[/quote] Even a tent in the back garden!
Perhaps they should take a leaf (sorry Essex Police) out of Eastenders. Some of those houses are only two bedroom but they manage to house about 15 generations of family.
You can't tell me there isn't room somewhere for a sleeping bag.[/quote] come on vicar wake up smell the coffee its a stunt now they have been in the paper i bet they are housed within two days if he was my boy i would put him in the loft if i had to </b>[/quote] I thought there was more to this story than meets the eye, painter.
Boof! There goes my sympathy in a flash of smoke.
What about the Albanians in this country? I don't think I've ever read a positive story about anyone from that country.
Can someone explain why?
the painter wrote:
<b>The Vicar wrote:
Tony Montana wrote:
&lt;b nd="58"&gt; I bet they're sitting in that tent smoking weed and all sorts. Why don't his mum let him sleep in the garage or car, must be better than sleeping outside! &lt;/b&gt;
Even a tent in the back garden!
Perhaps they should take a leaf (sorry Essex Police) out of Eastenders. Some of those houses are only two bedroom but they manage to house about 15 generations of family.
You can't tell me there isn't room somewhere for a sleeping bag.
come on vicar wake up smell the coffee its a stunt now they have been in the paper i bet they are housed within two days if he was my boy i would put him in the loft if i had to </b>
I thought there was more to this story than meets the eye, painter.
Boof! There goes my sympathy in a flash of smoke.
What about the Albanians in this country? I don't think I've ever read a positive story about anyone from that country.
Can someone explain why?
Posted by: Basildon Billy on 9:31am Fri 18 May 07
Check your facts, the home office's statistics were described as "frightfully inaccurate" after they claimed that 2% of the UK's population was non-white, something even black people found hilarious. the home office are constantly being critisised for trying to mislead the public with their statistics, most politicians dont even see home office stats as reliable
Check your facts, the home office's statistics were described as "frightfully inaccurate" after they claimed that 2% of the UK's population was non-white, something even black people found hilarious. the home office are constantly being critisised for trying to mislead the public with their statistics, most politicians dont even see home office stats as reliable
Posted by: Bored on 9:43am Fri 18 May 07
[quote][bold]Local Boy[/bold] wrote:
[quote]hence the fact about 70% of the people in UK prisons are immigrants[/quote] Usual clap trap from the "blame everything on the foreigners brigade" Check your facts, the home office statistics on prison population are published and you will see that 84% of the male prison population is white and British. [/quote] No wonder you failed your 11+ You clearly can't do sums.
Local Boy wrote:
hence the fact about 70% of the people in UK prisons are immigrants
Usual clap trap from the "blame everything on the foreigners brigade" Check your facts, the home office statistics on prison population are published and you will see that 84% of the male prison population is white and British.
No wonder you failed your 11+ You clearly can't do sums.
Posted by: Melody, Portsmouth on 9:52am Fri 18 May 07
[quote][bold]Basildon Billy[/bold] wrote:
Fact is, if u believe all immigrants that come here are hard-working, honest people that just want to be accepted into our society your incredibally naive, imagine if it was the other way round, imagine if france decided all immigants could claim benefits of £150 a week, the law was more relaxed, you didnt have to pay for housing, dental, healthcare, etc was all free, your criminal record was scrapped, you could claim child benefit for your children back home, who they cant prove doesnt exist, they made no effort to make u work, prison was like a hotel, you could sue and claim your human rights have been infringed if anything doesnt go your way, every argos-jewellery-wear ing lout and chav would be on the first ferry to calais, we are basically offering that to every country in europe, hence the fact about 70% of the people in UK prisons are immigrants[/quote] Of course I do not believe that ALL immigrants are hard working honest people,in the same way that I do not believe that all British people are;to assume so would be naive,but to assume as you do is far worse.
Basildon Billy wrote:
Fact is, if u believe all immigrants that come here are hard-working, honest people that just want to be accepted into our society your incredibally naive, imagine if it was the other way round, imagine if france decided all immigants could claim benefits of £150 a week, the law was more relaxed, you didnt have to pay for housing, dental, healthcare, etc was all free, your criminal record was scrapped, you could claim child benefit for your children back home, who they cant prove doesnt exist, they made no effort to make u work, prison was like a hotel, you could sue and claim your human rights have been infringed if anything doesnt go your way, every argos-jewellery-wear ing lout and chav would be on the first ferry to calais, we are basically offering that to every country in europe, hence the fact about 70% of the people in UK prisons are immigrants
Of course I do not believe that ALL immigrants are hard working honest people,in the same way that I do not believe that all British people are;to assume so would be naive,but to assume as you do is far worse.
Posted by: Local Boy, Hawkwell on 10:14am Fri 18 May 07
[quote]No wonder you failed your 11+ You clearly can't do sums.[/quote] Quality comment bored. I assume you've given up arguing your points on facts and truth? I assume you did start from this basis?
No wonder you failed your 11+ You clearly can't do sums.
Quality comment bored. I assume you've given up arguing your points on facts and truth? I assume you did start from this basis?
Posted by: Local Boy, Hawkwell on 10:22am Fri 18 May 07
[quote]most politicians dont even see home office stats as reliable[/quote]
As we are dealing with facts Basildon Billy, how many politicians make up "most". Is that 1 MP or 2 MPs, is it 300+ MPs, are you including local councillors and county councillors. Do you include aspiring politicans who are hoping to be elected? Is the hous of lords included?
If you are going to quote facts you need them to be meaningful and specific not a wandering generality.
most politicians dont even see home office stats as reliable
As we are dealing with facts Basildon Billy, how many politicians make up "most". Is that 1 MP or 2 MPs, is it 300+ MPs, are you including local councillors and county councillors. Do you include aspiring politicans who are hoping to be elected? Is the hous of lords included?
If you are going to quote facts you need them to be meaningful and specific not a wandering generality.
Posted by: Basildon Billy on 10:47am Fri 18 May 07
I dont know the exact number, I just read they are not being acepted as reliable anymore, and many havent ever seen them as reliable, they are grossly under-estimated. last year, their stats said there were 93 registered polish plumbers in the UK, the people who doubted the evidence made an ad in a paper and had more than 100 calls the day the ad went out from registered polish plumbers in that 1 area alone, not to mention the un registered ones & the rest of the UK. the government wont ever give us the real stats, it damages their reputation too much and shows their immense failure.
quite frankly, for you to quote an official statistic shows you have no idea what your talking about
I dont know the exact number, I just read they are not being acepted as reliable anymore, and many havent ever seen them as reliable, they are grossly under-estimated. last year, their stats said there were 93 registered polish plumbers in the UK, the people who doubted the evidence made an ad in a paper and had more than 100 calls the day the ad went out from registered polish plumbers in that 1 area alone, not to mention the un registered ones & the rest of the UK. the government wont ever give us the real stats, it damages their reputation too much and shows their immense failure.
quite frankly, for you to quote an official statistic shows you have no idea what your talking about
Posted by: Bored on 10:50am Fri 18 May 07
[quote][bold]Local Boy[/bold] wrote:
[quote]No wonder you failed your 11+ You clearly can't do sums.[/quote] Quality comment bored. I assume you've given up arguing your points on facts and truth? I assume you did start from this basis? [/quote] I don't have to argue my points they are staring at you in the face. The comments I made were fact. These people come over here with nothing, we give them everything they need and the majority of them repay us back by the crimes that I mentioned earlier (ALL FACT). There are British people living here who are on the streets with nothing and get nothing. It stinks!
Local Boy wrote:
No wonder you failed your 11+ You clearly can't do sums.
Quality comment bored. I assume you've given up arguing your points on facts and truth? I assume you did start from this basis?
I don't have to argue my points they are staring at you in the face. The comments I made were fact. These people come over here with nothing, we give them everything they need and the majority of them repay us back by the crimes that I mentioned earlier (ALL FACT). There are British people living here who are on the streets with nothing and get nothing. It stinks!
Posted by: Basildon Billy on 11:02am Fri 18 May 07
Local boy, if you know about facts, you would know that nearly HALF of the UK's hospitals are due to close in the comming years because they cant afford to stay open anymore, why? because barely any of our taxes go towards hospitals anymore, we dont have enough hospitals as it is, imagine how we are going to cope with half the amount of hospitals and about 10 times the amount of people...it makes me sick, angry, im f##king furious, last year they predicted 48,000 immigrants, we had 600,000 and still they wont put any kind of restrictions on the amount of people that can enter the UK, unless you can afford to go private, your gonna be having healthcare services on-par with 3rd world countries in 10 years
Local boy, if you know about facts, you would know that nearly HALF of the UK's hospitals are due to close in the comming years because they cant afford to stay open anymore, why? because barely any of our taxes go towards hospitals anymore, we dont have enough hospitals as it is, imagine how we are going to cope with half the amount of hospitals and about 10 times the amount of people...it makes me sick, angry, im f##king furious, last year they predicted 48,000 immigrants, we had 600,000 and still they wont put any kind of restrictions on the amount of people that can enter the UK, unless you can afford to go private, your gonna be having healthcare services on-par with 3rd world countries in 10 years
Posted by: Local Boy, Hawkwell on 11:14am Fri 18 May 07
[quote]Local boy, if you know about facts, you would know that nearly HALF of the UK's hospitals are due to close in the comming years because they cant afford to stay open anymore[/quote]
This is not correct as is your assertion that there are no restrictions on people coming to the UK. You are plain wrong on both counts.
Local boy, if you know about facts, you would know that nearly HALF of the UK's hospitals are due to close in the comming years because they cant afford to stay open anymore
This is not correct as is your assertion that there are no restrictions on people coming to the UK. You are plain wrong on both counts.
Posted by: Basildon Billy on 11:27am Fri 18 May 07
Sorry, that wasnt hospitals, it was A&E departments.
ok, tell me what restrictions there are?
Sorry, that wasnt hospitals, it was A&E departments.
ok, tell me what restrictions there are?
Posted by: Ben Mitchell on 11:29am Fri 18 May 07
As long as they are careful and dont put their tent through the dryer like my brother Ian, or set it on fire like my dad then they should be ok. I still think my dad done it on purpose, he hates my brother!
As long as they are careful and dont put their tent through the dryer like my brother Ian, or set it on fire like my dad then they should be ok. I still think my dad done it on purpose, he hates my brother!
Posted by: Local Boy, Hawkwell on 11:43am Fri 18 May 07
http://www.ind.homeo
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Link to Rules of Entry to the UK
http://www.ind.homeo
ffice.gov.uk/lawandp
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Link to Rules of Entry to the UK
Posted by: Basildon Billy on 11:49am Fri 18 May 07
OK, now find me 1 immigrant who abides by those rules.
from when a woman claimed asylum in the UK because she was "too tall" to live in pakistan I gave up on expecting these rules to be enforced, if you dont qualify for immigration, they simply send you away and tell you to return to a certain place on a certain date, which they hardly ever do
OK, now find me 1 immigrant who abides by those rules.
from when a woman claimed asylum in the UK because she was "too tall" to live in pakistan I gave up on expecting these rules to be enforced, if you dont qualify for immigration, they simply send you away and tell you to return to a certain place on a certain date, which they hardly ever do
Posted by: Local Boy, Hawkwell on 12:13pm Fri 18 May 07
You read those rules in 6 minutes Billy?
I do apologise I stated earlier that to find out facts took hard work. If you assimilated all 13 parts, 395 clauses and 5 appendices in 6 minutes I'm clearly dealing with a genius.
If an immigrant is in this country legally, by default they have adhered to the rules.
One example of an imigrant abusing the system does not mean they all do it.
If that is the case then I will happily state that the reasons A&E's are closing (something I'm worried about) is due to the number of drunk british slobs who end up at A&E early mornings Fridays and Saturdays. Or is it because we plan to throw out all the immigrants who keep our NHS running?
You read those rules in 6 minutes Billy?
I do apologise I stated earlier that to find out facts took hard work. If you assimilated all 13 parts, 395 clauses and 5 appendices in 6 minutes I'm clearly dealing with a genius.
If an immigrant is in this country legally, by default they have adhered to the rules.
One example of an imigrant abusing the system does not mean they all do it.
If that is the case then I will happily state that the reasons A&E's are closing (something I'm worried about) is due to the number of drunk british slobs who end up at A&E early mornings Fridays and Saturdays. Or is it because we plan to throw out all the immigrants who keep our NHS running?
Posted by: Melody, Portsmouth on 12:22pm Fri 18 May 07
There are always two sides to every story;as I stated earlier I am not saying that crime is not commited by immigrants;however my experience of immigrants/people seeking asylum,has obviously been different from yours which is a part of why we hold such opposing views.What concerns me though is the reason for such vitriol directed to certain members of the community;surely your anger should be directed at the policy makers;and do you also have the same level of anger towards people who commit crime regardless of ethnicity?
There are always two sides to every story;as I stated earlier I am not saying that crime is not commited by immigrants;however my experience of immigrants/people seeking asylum,has obviously been different from yours which is a part of why we hold such opposing views.What concerns me though is the reason for such vitriol directed to certain members of the community;surely your anger should be directed at the policy makers;and do you also have the same level of anger towards people who commit crime regardless of ethnicity?
Posted by: Joe on 12:44pm Fri 18 May 07
If I go abroad and can't get a job, nobody would give me a house or money, I'd have to come back home, just the same as they should do, if they are here legally and they can't get a job or a house, they should go back home.
If I go abroad and can't get a job, nobody would give me a house or money, I'd have to come back home, just the same as they should do, if they are here legally and they can't get a job or a house, they should go back home.
