Tory voted first Essex police and crime commissioner

6:40pm Friday 16th November 2012 in Local News

Tory voted first Essex police and crime commissioner Tory voted first Essex police and crime commissioner

TORY Nick Alston has been voted Essex's first police and crime commissioner following a nail-biting count.

Mr Alston polled 51,325 votes and was in first place, with Independent Mick Thwaites in second place, polling 40,312 votes.

But because Mr Alston failed to get 50 per cent of the vote, second preference votes were counted.

In the end, Mr Alston was declared winner.

Mr Alston polled 62,350 and Mr Thwaites received 58,664.

Mr Thwaites said: “I am obviously very sorry I have missed out on becoming the first Essex Police and Crime Commissioner.

"I’d like to thank everyone who did vote for me, and also I’d like to give special thanks to all my family, friends and supporters who have worked tirelessly to help me in my election campaign.”

He added “I’d like to wish Nick Alston all success as the first elected Essex Police and Crime Commissioner and hope they can use their position to put the voice of the people of Essex back at the heart of policing.

"I will now be taking some time to recover from the campaign trail and consider my future.”

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Comments (81)

2:42pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Eric Whim says...

bye bye police force.......
bye bye police force....... Eric Whim

2:44pm Fri 16 Nov 12

southendcivilservant says...

Does anyone care?
Does anyone care? southendcivilservant

2:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12

trell says...

Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police.
Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.
Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police. Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions. trell

2:53pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Eric Whim says...

will he be flying to the Bahamas and eating £43 breakfasts in Little Chef while doing his new job?
will he be flying to the Bahamas and eating £43 breakfasts in Little Chef while doing his new job? Eric Whim

2:53pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Saxonpride says...

trell wrote:
Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police.
Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.
It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats.
I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals.
I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.
[quote][p][bold]trell[/bold] wrote: Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police. Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.[/p][/quote]It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats. I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals. I voted for him and I won't apologise for it. Saxonpride

3:05pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Broadwaywatch says...

Never did quite honestly understand any of it. No one knocked on my door. no one stopped me in the street, no one sent me a letter all I got was a polling card..
Who ever this Nick Alston is I wish him well in his new, I presume well paid position.
With due respect to my Alston I feel that the whole excercise was a waste of puplic money which if needed to be spent on this could well have waited untill we were out of finacial restraints the majority of this county and indeed country, is under
Never did quite honestly understand any of it. No one knocked on my door. no one stopped me in the street, no one sent me a letter all I got was a polling card.. Who ever this Nick Alston is I wish him well in his new, I presume well paid position. With due respect to my Alston I feel that the whole excercise was a waste of puplic money which if needed to be spent on this could well have waited untill we were out of finacial restraints the majority of this county and indeed country, is under Broadwaywatch

3:17pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Olivia2847 says...

Broadwaywatch wrote:
Never did quite honestly understand any of it. No one knocked on my door. no one stopped me in the street, no one sent me a letter all I got was a polling card..
Who ever this Nick Alston is I wish him well in his new, I presume well paid position.
With due respect to my Alston I feel that the whole excercise was a waste of puplic money which if needed to be spent on this could well have waited untill we were out of finacial restraints the majority of this county and indeed country, is under
An obscene swandering of our money that could have be put to better use as in local education and health - shame on all you I hope you choke on the biscuits at your first meeting ....
[quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: Never did quite honestly understand any of it. No one knocked on my door. no one stopped me in the street, no one sent me a letter all I got was a polling card.. Who ever this Nick Alston is I wish him well in his new, I presume well paid position. With due respect to my Alston I feel that the whole excercise was a waste of puplic money which if needed to be spent on this could well have waited untill we were out of finacial restraints the majority of this county and indeed country, is under[/p][/quote]An obscene swandering of our money that could have be put to better use as in local education and health - shame on all you I hope you choke on the biscuits at your first meeting .... Olivia2847

3:54pm Fri 16 Nov 12

jolllyboy says...

Wrong that this election is a political one.
Wrong candidate - should be one not affiliated in particular to the party in govt at the moment as he will surely just toe the party line. Shame on you voters. Shame on you Cameron for forcing this election , just as you have the break up of the NHS which was not clear in your manifesto . You will go down in history as the one to blame. Nick Alston had better do right by the residents of Essex or he will surely not get in again.
Wrong that this election is a political one. Wrong candidate - should be one not affiliated in particular to the party in govt at the moment as he will surely just toe the party line. Shame on you voters. Shame on you Cameron for forcing this election , just as you have the break up of the NHS which was not clear in your manifesto . You will go down in history as the one to blame. Nick Alston had better do right by the residents of Essex or he will surely not get in again. jolllyboy

4:04pm Fri 16 Nov 12

emcee says...

Policing under a political banner is all bad news in my opinion. I did not vote purely for this reason. I do not disagree with having one person, answerable to the public, in which the police chiefs of each force, in turn, have to answer to. I do not even care who is the commisioner of police as long as he/she is not politically motivated and are able to take the police chiefs and the Government of the day to task.
Unfortunately, politicising the police only plays into the hands of the party/Government who has a commisioner affiliated to them. This is no good for policing as a whole and we will now see different police forces around the country being run with completely differing agendas from each other.
Policing under a political banner is all bad news in my opinion. I did not vote purely for this reason. I do not disagree with having one person, answerable to the public, in which the police chiefs of each force, in turn, have to answer to. I do not even care who is the commisioner of police as long as he/she is not politically motivated and are able to take the police chiefs and the Government of the day to task. Unfortunately, politicising the police only plays into the hands of the party/Government who has a commisioner affiliated to them. This is no good for policing as a whole and we will now see different police forces around the country being run with completely differing agendas from each other. emcee

4:07pm Fri 16 Nov 12

firedog says...

Was their a truely independant candidate,or were they all after a nice little well payed easy casual job.
Was their a truely independant candidate,or were they all after a nice little well payed easy casual job. firedog

4:14pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Druggie Scumbag says...

firedog wrote:
Was their a truely independant candidate,or were they all after a nice little well payed easy casual job.
They would rather have been English language teachers but decided that the pressure would have been too much.
[quote][p][bold]firedog[/bold] wrote: Was their a truely independant candidate,or were they all after a nice little well payed easy casual job.[/p][/quote]They would rather have been English language teachers but decided that the pressure would have been too much. Druggie Scumbag

4:27pm Fri 16 Nov 12

John T Pharro says...

Saxonpride wrote:
trell wrote:
Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police.
Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.
It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats.
I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals.
I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.
Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV.
You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial.
So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party.
For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.
[quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trell[/bold] wrote: Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police. Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.[/p][/quote]It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats. I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals. I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.[/p][/quote]Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV. You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial. So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party. For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates. John T Pharro

5:04pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Broadwaywatch says...

Olivia2847 wrote:
Broadwaywatch wrote:
Never did quite honestly understand any of it. No one knocked on my door. no one stopped me in the street, no one sent me a letter all I got was a polling card..
Who ever this Nick Alston is I wish him well in his new, I presume well paid position.
With due respect to my Alston I feel that the whole excercise was a waste of puplic money which if needed to be spent on this could well have waited untill we were out of finacial restraints the majority of this county and indeed country, is under
An obscene swandering of our money that could have be put to better use as in local education and health - shame on all you I hope you choke on the biscuits at your first meeting ....
Meant to write MR Alston not MY Alston.......as I was trying to explain in a sort of round about way.....I was ill informed....did'nt understand the reason for it therefore did'nt
vote
[quote][p][bold]Olivia2847[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: Never did quite honestly understand any of it. No one knocked on my door. no one stopped me in the street, no one sent me a letter all I got was a polling card.. Who ever this Nick Alston is I wish him well in his new, I presume well paid position. With due respect to my Alston I feel that the whole excercise was a waste of puplic money which if needed to be spent on this could well have waited untill we were out of finacial restraints the majority of this county and indeed country, is under[/p][/quote]An obscene swandering of our money that could have be put to better use as in local education and health - shame on all you I hope you choke on the biscuits at your first meeting ....[/p][/quote]Meant to write MR Alston not MY Alston.......as I was trying to explain in a sort of round about way.....I was ill informed....did'nt understand the reason for it therefore did'nt vote Broadwaywatch

5:05pm Fri 16 Nov 12

KonArtist says...

southendcivilservant wrote:
Does anyone care?
I dont think anyone does to be honest! Its not going to change anything.
[quote][p][bold]southendcivilservant[/bold] wrote: Does anyone care?[/p][/quote]I dont think anyone does to be honest! Its not going to change anything. KonArtist

5:07pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Sdapeze says...

A pathetic excuse Pharro. Now you have no say.
A pathetic excuse Pharro. Now you have no say. Sdapeze

5:18pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

If this was not a political appointment, and candidates had to swear an oath of impartiality, why were they standing as tory, Labour, LibDem, Ukip, INdependent etc?
If this was not a political appointment, and candidates had to swear an oath of impartiality, why were they standing as tory, Labour, LibDem, Ukip, INdependent etc? Shoebury_Cyclist

5:25pm Fri 16 Nov 12

field walker says...

Across UK voting turn out as low as 15%, and survey said 7 out of 10 people candidates could not name one single candidate. Astounding waste of time and money...whether it's London Riots, Immigration, Olympics Security, Deportation or this.. is Theresa May the most out of touch and ineffective Home Secretary ever? Red flags should have gone up when she supported this pointless process. £85k PCC salary for another person tied up in red tape and politics who can deliver nothing except cuts...
Across UK voting turn out as low as 15%, and survey said 7 out of 10 people candidates could not name one single candidate. Astounding waste of time and money...whether it's London Riots, Immigration, Olympics Security, Deportation or this.. is Theresa May the most out of touch and ineffective Home Secretary ever? Red flags should have gone up when she supported this pointless process. £85k PCC salary for another person tied up in red tape and politics who can deliver nothing except cuts... field walker

5:37pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Nebs says...

When do we get to vote for the Essex judge and sentencing commissioner.
When do we get to vote for the Essex judge and sentencing commissioner. Nebs

5:58pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Ellies Mum says...

Disappointed not to see Mick Thwaites elected, I for one don't believe that it's appropriate for this position to be party affiliated. I hope that Alston's deeds prove that he was the right candidate by putting the people of the county first.
Disappointed not to see Mick Thwaites elected, I for one don't believe that it's appropriate for this position to be party affiliated. I hope that Alston's deeds prove that he was the right candidate by putting the people of the county first. Ellies Mum

6:07pm Fri 16 Nov 12

ShrimperSS0 says...

Well I'll admit that I didn't take part in the political process to elect a new police chief but I do have an excuse... I DIDN'T GET A POLLING CARD EVEN THOUGH AM ON THE ELECTORAL ROLL! So thank you either (Tory) Southend or (Tory) Essex for not letting me not vote for the Tory who won.
Well I'll admit that I didn't take part in the political process to elect a new police chief but I do have an excuse... I DIDN'T GET A POLLING CARD EVEN THOUGH AM ON THE ELECTORAL ROLL! So thank you either (Tory) Southend or (Tory) Essex for not letting me not vote for the Tory who won. ShrimperSS0

6:08pm Fri 16 Nov 12

ShrimperSS0 says...

Well I'll admit that I didn't take part in the political process to elect a new police chief but I do have an excuse... I DIDN'T GET A POLLING CARD EVEN THOUGH AM ON THE ELECTORAL ROLL! So thank you either (Tory) Southend or (Tory) Essex for not letting me not vote for the Tory who won.
Well I'll admit that I didn't take part in the political process to elect a new police chief but I do have an excuse... I DIDN'T GET A POLLING CARD EVEN THOUGH AM ON THE ELECTORAL ROLL! So thank you either (Tory) Southend or (Tory) Essex for not letting me not vote for the Tory who won. ShrimperSS0

6:18pm Fri 16 Nov 12

setbuilder says...

ShrimperSS0 wrote:
Well I'll admit that I didn't take part in the political process to elect a new police chief but I do have an excuse... I DIDN'T GET A POLLING CARD EVEN THOUGH AM ON THE ELECTORAL ROLL! So thank you either (Tory) Southend or (Tory) Essex for not letting me not vote for the Tory who won.
You don't need a polling card to vote!
[quote][p][bold]ShrimperSS0[/bold] wrote: Well I'll admit that I didn't take part in the political process to elect a new police chief but I do have an excuse... I DIDN'T GET A POLLING CARD EVEN THOUGH AM ON THE ELECTORAL ROLL! So thank you either (Tory) Southend or (Tory) Essex for not letting me not vote for the Tory who won.[/p][/quote]You don't need a polling card to vote! setbuilder

6:20pm Fri 16 Nov 12

setbuilder says...

emcee wrote:
Policing under a political banner is all bad news in my opinion. I did not vote purely for this reason. I do not disagree with having one person, answerable to the public, in which the police chiefs of each force, in turn, have to answer to. I do not even care who is the commisioner of police as long as he/she is not politically motivated and are able to take the police chiefs and the Government of the day to task.
Unfortunately, politicising the police only plays into the hands of the party/Government who has a commisioner affiliated to them. This is no good for policing as a whole and we will now see different police forces around the country being run with completely differing agendas from each other.
You could have voted for an independent - there were two! Don't vote, can't complain!
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: Policing under a political banner is all bad news in my opinion. I did not vote purely for this reason. I do not disagree with having one person, answerable to the public, in which the police chiefs of each force, in turn, have to answer to. I do not even care who is the commisioner of police as long as he/she is not politically motivated and are able to take the police chiefs and the Government of the day to task. Unfortunately, politicising the police only plays into the hands of the party/Government who has a commisioner affiliated to them. This is no good for policing as a whole and we will now see different police forces around the country being run with completely differing agendas from each other.[/p][/quote]You could have voted for an independent - there were two! Don't vote, can't complain! setbuilder

6:24pm Fri 16 Nov 12

setbuilder says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Saxonpride wrote:
trell wrote:
Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police.
Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.
It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats.
I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals.
I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.
Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV.
You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial.
So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party.
For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.
Poor excuse. You're on-line now and all the details from the candidates have been on-line for some time.
The only people who might be excused for not voting are those who are computer-illiterate.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trell[/bold] wrote: Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police. Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.[/p][/quote]It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats. I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals. I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.[/p][/quote]Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV. You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial. So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party. For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.[/p][/quote]Poor excuse. You're on-line now and all the details from the candidates have been on-line for some time. The only people who might be excused for not voting are those who are computer-illiterate. setbuilder

6:26pm Fri 16 Nov 12

setbuilder says...

Druggie Scumbag wrote:
firedog wrote:
Was their a truely independant candidate,or were they all after a nice little well payed easy casual job.
They would rather have been English language teachers but decided that the pressure would have been too much.
Druggie Scumbag, I believe you have this summed up!
[quote][p][bold]Druggie Scumbag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]firedog[/bold] wrote: Was their a truely independant candidate,or were they all after a nice little well payed easy casual job.[/p][/quote]They would rather have been English language teachers but decided that the pressure would have been too much.[/p][/quote]Druggie Scumbag, I believe you have this summed up! setbuilder

6:34pm Fri 16 Nov 12

madmax1 says...

How did these idiots manage to count the votes nearly 4000 out in the first round ?
How did these idiots manage to count the votes nearly 4000 out in the first round ? madmax1

6:48pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Ossiepith says...

Monumental waste of time and money. Money that could have been better spent supporting the police instead of imposing yet another layer of bureaucracy on it. And why, in God's name, have the vote in November? Was it all so urgent it couldn't wait till May when a) it will be better weather and b) there will be County Council elections so it wouldn't be quite such a waste of money. Still, what else would you expect from this Government except a complete shambles!?
Monumental waste of time and money. Money that could have been better spent supporting the police instead of imposing yet another layer of bureaucracy on it. And why, in God's name, have the vote in November? Was it all so urgent it couldn't wait till May when a) it will be better weather and b) there will be County Council elections so it wouldn't be quite such a waste of money. Still, what else would you expect from this Government except a complete shambles!? Ossiepith

7:07pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Boris says...

Well, at least I voted, so I did my duty. Sure the election was unwanted, but it happened, so it was everyone's duty to vote in it - even just by spoiling their ballot papers.
.
All those who fail to vote are automatically deemed to have voted for whoever won. In this case, the Tory. The imbeciles who didn't vote because they didn't know the candidates are the most Tory of all. All candidates on the ballot paper had descriptions under their names, so they could have voted for one independent for their first choice, and the other independent for their second choice.
People fought and died for the right to vote, and these idiots - all with computer access - couldn't be bothered to find out what it was all about.
Well, at least I voted, so I did my duty. Sure the election was unwanted, but it happened, so it was everyone's duty to vote in it - even just by spoiling their ballot papers. . All those who fail to vote are automatically deemed to have voted for whoever won. In this case, the Tory. The imbeciles who didn't vote because they didn't know the candidates are the most Tory of all. All candidates on the ballot paper had descriptions under their names, so they could have voted for one independent for their first choice, and the other independent for their second choice. People fought and died for the right to vote, and these idiots - all with computer access - couldn't be bothered to find out what it was all about. Boris

7:13pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Eric Whim says...

setbuilder wrote:
ShrimperSS0 wrote:
Well I'll admit that I didn't take part in the political process to elect a new police chief but I do have an excuse... I DIDN'T GET A POLLING CARD EVEN THOUGH AM ON THE ELECTORAL ROLL! So thank you either (Tory) Southend or (Tory) Essex for not letting me not vote for the Tory who won.
You don't need a polling card to vote!
should've gone round to that bloke who managed to get his hands on half a dozen registered at his flat - he would've probably let you have one of his....
[quote][p][bold]setbuilder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShrimperSS0[/bold] wrote: Well I'll admit that I didn't take part in the political process to elect a new police chief but I do have an excuse... I DIDN'T GET A POLLING CARD EVEN THOUGH AM ON THE ELECTORAL ROLL! So thank you either (Tory) Southend or (Tory) Essex for not letting me not vote for the Tory who won.[/p][/quote]You don't need a polling card to vote![/p][/quote]should've gone round to that bloke who managed to get his hands on half a dozen registered at his flat - he would've probably let you have one of his.... Eric Whim

7:41pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Max Impact says...

My first choice was Mick Thwaites as being ex Chief at Southend Police I thought he would be the best possible choice, having served in the police he would know what is needed where it is needed, send was lucky dip just cloded eyes and struck out with the pen!

To all those that did not vote, it was not because you did not recieve any leaflets, I did not get any myself so I took the time to look on the internet, your posting on here so you MUST have accress to it too.

A large part of it was pure lazyness, heck you could register to do it by post and just pop it back in the post and not worry about finding the time on the actual day to go and vote.

Still puzzled by the Boris stating:

"All those who fail to vote are automatically deemed to have voted for whoever won. In this case, the Tory"

No they did not vote pure and simple, the Tory did not gain any votes from those that did not vote, nor did the Labour, or anyone they were unused votes nothing more, as for the spoilt papers they were wasted votes.

I'm sure on the News a Labour winner moaned that it was a waste of time and unwanted position so why stand!
My first choice was Mick Thwaites as being ex Chief at Southend Police I thought he would be the best possible choice, having served in the police he would know what is needed where it is needed, send was lucky dip just cloded eyes and struck out with the pen! To all those that did not vote, it was not because you did not recieve any leaflets, I did not get any myself so I took the time to look on the internet, your posting on here so you MUST have accress to it too. A large part of it was pure lazyness, heck you could register to do it by post and just pop it back in the post and not worry about finding the time on the actual day to go and vote. Still puzzled by the Boris stating: "All those who fail to vote are automatically deemed to have voted for whoever won. In this case, the Tory" No they did not vote pure and simple, the Tory did not gain any votes from those that did not vote, nor did the Labour, or anyone they were unused votes nothing more, as for the spoilt papers they were wasted votes. I'm sure on the News a Labour winner moaned that it was a waste of time and unwanted position so why stand! Max Impact

8:08pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Max Impact wrote:
My first choice was Mick Thwaites as being ex Chief at Southend Police I thought he would be the best possible choice, having served in the police he would know what is needed where it is needed, send was lucky dip just cloded eyes and struck out with the pen!

To all those that did not vote, it was not because you did not recieve any leaflets, I did not get any myself so I took the time to look on the internet, your posting on here so you MUST have accress to it too.

A large part of it was pure lazyness, heck you could register to do it by post and just pop it back in the post and not worry about finding the time on the actual day to go and vote.

Still puzzled by the Boris stating:

"All those who fail to vote are automatically deemed to have voted for whoever won. In this case, the Tory"

No they did not vote pure and simple, the Tory did not gain any votes from those that did not vote, nor did the Labour, or anyone they were unused votes nothing more, as for the spoilt papers they were wasted votes.

I'm sure on the News a Labour winner moaned that it was a waste of time and unwanted position so why stand!
A spoilt paper is not a wasted vote. It is someone saying, 'I'd like to vote but none of these represent my views'. It is time voting was made compulsory in the UK and a box added for 'None of the above'.
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: My first choice was Mick Thwaites as being ex Chief at Southend Police I thought he would be the best possible choice, having served in the police he would know what is needed where it is needed, send was lucky dip just cloded eyes and struck out with the pen! To all those that did not vote, it was not because you did not recieve any leaflets, I did not get any myself so I took the time to look on the internet, your posting on here so you MUST have accress to it too. A large part of it was pure lazyness, heck you could register to do it by post and just pop it back in the post and not worry about finding the time on the actual day to go and vote. Still puzzled by the Boris stating: "All those who fail to vote are automatically deemed to have voted for whoever won. In this case, the Tory" No they did not vote pure and simple, the Tory did not gain any votes from those that did not vote, nor did the Labour, or anyone they were unused votes nothing more, as for the spoilt papers they were wasted votes. I'm sure on the News a Labour winner moaned that it was a waste of time and unwanted position so why stand![/p][/quote]A spoilt paper is not a wasted vote. It is someone saying, 'I'd like to vote but none of these represent my views'. It is time voting was made compulsory in the UK and a box added for 'None of the above'. Shoebury_Cyclist

8:17pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Smouldering Ewok says...

Well done Tory scapegoat.
The wrong bloke got the job.
Well done Tory scapegoat. The wrong bloke got the job. Smouldering Ewok

8:59pm Fri 16 Nov 12

mirokou says...

Well done voters and the apathetic . you Police are now dictated by government policy and direct Political Party interference . Not whats good for you but what will get votes in a by election, no longer impartial unable to reach their own decisions.

You now have State controlled dictated Police no longer Policing by consent.
Well done voters and the apathetic . you Police are now dictated by government policy and direct Political Party interference . Not whats good for you but what will get votes in a by election, no longer impartial unable to reach their own decisions. You now have State controlled dictated Police no longer Policing by consent. mirokou

9:12pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Boris says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
My first choice was Mick Thwaites as being ex Chief at Southend Police I thought he would be the best possible choice, having served in the police he would know what is needed where it is needed, send was lucky dip just cloded eyes and struck out with the pen!

To all those that did not vote, it was not because you did not recieve any leaflets, I did not get any myself so I took the time to look on the internet, your posting on here so you MUST have accress to it too.

A large part of it was pure lazyness, heck you could register to do it by post and just pop it back in the post and not worry about finding the time on the actual day to go and vote.

Still puzzled by the Boris stating:

"All those who fail to vote are automatically deemed to have voted for whoever won. In this case, the Tory"

No they did not vote pure and simple, the Tory did not gain any votes from those that did not vote, nor did the Labour, or anyone they were unused votes nothing more, as for the spoilt papers they were wasted votes.

I'm sure on the News a Labour winner moaned that it was a waste of time and unwanted position so why stand!
A spoilt paper is not a wasted vote. It is someone saying, 'I'd like to vote but none of these represent my views'. It is time voting was made compulsory in the UK and a box added for 'None of the above'.
Shoebury, I agree, voting should be compulsory.
Max, what I meant in the bit that puzzled you was: if you don't vote, you obviously have no business complaining about the person who gets elected. That means that, objectively, you support that person.
In yesterday's election, I voted for the candidate who came fourth, hoping to stop the Tory, and also hoping to see off the loonies of ED and UKIP. Well, at least I helped achieve the last two objectives. Just a pity that I chose the wrong Independent to vote for. Anyway, Mr Alston got elected, as you would expect in a Tory-dominated county, so now he's there, good luck to him, and let's hope he does a decent job.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: My first choice was Mick Thwaites as being ex Chief at Southend Police I thought he would be the best possible choice, having served in the police he would know what is needed where it is needed, send was lucky dip just cloded eyes and struck out with the pen! To all those that did not vote, it was not because you did not recieve any leaflets, I did not get any myself so I took the time to look on the internet, your posting on here so you MUST have accress to it too. A large part of it was pure lazyness, heck you could register to do it by post and just pop it back in the post and not worry about finding the time on the actual day to go and vote. Still puzzled by the Boris stating: "All those who fail to vote are automatically deemed to have voted for whoever won. In this case, the Tory" No they did not vote pure and simple, the Tory did not gain any votes from those that did not vote, nor did the Labour, or anyone they were unused votes nothing more, as for the spoilt papers they were wasted votes. I'm sure on the News a Labour winner moaned that it was a waste of time and unwanted position so why stand![/p][/quote]A spoilt paper is not a wasted vote. It is someone saying, 'I'd like to vote but none of these represent my views'. It is time voting was made compulsory in the UK and a box added for 'None of the above'.[/p][/quote]Shoebury, I agree, voting should be compulsory. Max, what I meant in the bit that puzzled you was: if you don't vote, you obviously have no business complaining about the person who gets elected. That means that, objectively, you support that person. In yesterday's election, I voted for the candidate who came fourth, hoping to stop the Tory, and also hoping to see off the loonies of ED and UKIP. Well, at least I helped achieve the last two objectives. Just a pity that I chose the wrong Independent to vote for. Anyway, Mr Alston got elected, as you would expect in a Tory-dominated county, so now he's there, good luck to him, and let's hope he does a decent job. Boris

9:14pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Boris says...

I should have added:
Is it known how much money the Essex Tories threw at this election? I actually got a leaflet from Mr Alston, the only candidate who distributed one in my area. Which leading Tory used his Essex County Council credit card to pay the printer's bill?
I should have added: Is it known how much money the Essex Tories threw at this election? I actually got a leaflet from Mr Alston, the only candidate who distributed one in my area. Which leading Tory used his Essex County Council credit card to pay the printer's bill? Boris

9:16pm Fri 16 Nov 12

mirokou says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
My first choice was Mick Thwaites as being ex Chief at Southend Police I thought he would be the best possible choice, having served in the police he would know what is needed where it is needed, send was lucky dip just cloded eyes and struck out with the pen!

To all those that did not vote, it was not because you did not recieve any leaflets, I did not get any myself so I took the time to look on the internet, your posting on here so you MUST have accress to it too.

A large part of it was pure lazyness, heck you could register to do it by post and just pop it back in the post and not worry about finding the time on the actual day to go and vote.

Still puzzled by the Boris stating:

"All those who fail to vote are automatically deemed to have voted for whoever won. In this case, the Tory"

No they did not vote pure and simple, the Tory did not gain any votes from those that did not vote, nor did the Labour, or anyone they were unused votes nothing more, as for the spoilt papers they were wasted votes.

I'm sure on the News a Labour winner moaned that it was a waste of time and unwanted position so why stand!
A spoilt paper is not a wasted vote. It is someone saying, 'I'd like to vote but none of these represent my views'. It is time voting was made compulsory in the UK and a box added for 'None of the above'.
here here .Choices should include no choice
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: My first choice was Mick Thwaites as being ex Chief at Southend Police I thought he would be the best possible choice, having served in the police he would know what is needed where it is needed, send was lucky dip just cloded eyes and struck out with the pen! To all those that did not vote, it was not because you did not recieve any leaflets, I did not get any myself so I took the time to look on the internet, your posting on here so you MUST have accress to it too. A large part of it was pure lazyness, heck you could register to do it by post and just pop it back in the post and not worry about finding the time on the actual day to go and vote. Still puzzled by the Boris stating: "All those who fail to vote are automatically deemed to have voted for whoever won. In this case, the Tory" No they did not vote pure and simple, the Tory did not gain any votes from those that did not vote, nor did the Labour, or anyone they were unused votes nothing more, as for the spoilt papers they were wasted votes. I'm sure on the News a Labour winner moaned that it was a waste of time and unwanted position so why stand![/p][/quote]A spoilt paper is not a wasted vote. It is someone saying, 'I'd like to vote but none of these represent my views'. It is time voting was made compulsory in the UK and a box added for 'None of the above'.[/p][/quote]here here .Choices should include no choice mirokou

9:26pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Saxonpride says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Saxonpride wrote:
trell wrote:
Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police.
Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.
It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats.
I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals.
I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.
Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV.
You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial.
So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party.
For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.
I am not a member of the Conservative party. I admit to voting for Cameron in the general elections, but it was because of his pledge to give us a British bill of rights and introduce prison barges to deal with overcrowding.

Let us just say that I am a liberal who believes in PUNISHING criminals instead of 'understanding' them.

You say I have politicised this issue? How so? I feel the responsibility to vote. I will not fault anyone here for not doing so. You must all act according to your own conscience.
But I personally have a zeal and passion for the democratic process. And in this election, the Conservative was the only one who seemed to have the experience necessary to take Essex back from the vandals and pond-life who have made life unbearable in areas like Canvey Island.

I did not vote for him because he was a Conservative. It may shock you to learn that I have become disenchanted with Cameron and view him as an arrogant, vicious paper tyrant. Trying to privatise both the police and the NHS, threatening the sanctity of the Ecuadorian embassy, insulting our European allies, pimping out his office via Peter Cruddas. I have grown to HATE our Prime Minister. I wish that wasn't so, but it is.

I voted for Alston based purely on the easily-accesible statements each candidate made. It was a pragmatic decision, not one motivated by any kind of partisan bias.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trell[/bold] wrote: Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police. Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.[/p][/quote]It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats. I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals. I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.[/p][/quote]Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV. You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial. So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party. For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.[/p][/quote]I am not a member of the Conservative party. I admit to voting for Cameron in the general elections, but it was because of his pledge to give us a British bill of rights and introduce prison barges to deal with overcrowding. Let us just say that I am a liberal who believes in PUNISHING criminals instead of 'understanding' them. You say I have politicised this issue? How so? I feel the responsibility to vote. I will not fault anyone here for not doing so. You must all act according to your own conscience. But I personally have a zeal and passion for the democratic process. And in this election, the Conservative was the only one who seemed to have the experience necessary to take Essex back from the vandals and pond-life who have made life unbearable in areas like Canvey Island. I did not vote for him because he was a Conservative. It may shock you to learn that I have become disenchanted with Cameron and view him as an arrogant, vicious paper tyrant. Trying to privatise both the police and the NHS, threatening the sanctity of the Ecuadorian embassy, insulting our European allies, pimping out his office via Peter Cruddas. I have grown to HATE our Prime Minister. I wish that wasn't so, but it is. I voted for Alston based purely on the easily-accesible statements each candidate made. It was a pragmatic decision, not one motivated by any kind of partisan bias. Saxonpride

9:31pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Jatamab says...

There was information out there if you read the local free papers, or checked the websites, some people are forgetting that for a normal election it is for a very small area, so the candidates have the capacity to canvass their whole patch, this election was for for the whole of Essex, a massive area! The Tory was lucky enough to have a large established network and substantial financial backing, the independant Mick Thwaites did so well and had people voting for him as a credible candidate with real understanding and knowledge of the huge organisation this role involves. Can Alston say the same?
There was information out there if you read the local free papers, or checked the websites, some people are forgetting that for a normal election it is for a very small area, so the candidates have the capacity to canvass their whole patch, this election was for for the whole of Essex, a massive area! The Tory was lucky enough to have a large established network and substantial financial backing, the independant Mick Thwaites did so well and had people voting for him as a credible candidate with real understanding and knowledge of the huge organisation this role involves. Can Alston say the same? Jatamab

9:31pm Fri 16 Nov 12

James Stratstone says...

Congratulations and what an excellent choice of candidate for the post second and bar to none.
My cousin in Colchester inadvertently gave 5 votes to Thwaites and what a mistake that was,however they ticked Nick as the second choice box.
As Nick did not get the 50% required the second choice votes where taken into account thank the good lord.
Thwaites was the choice because the old bill wanted him in the post for their own nepotistic reasons.
Alston is the ideal candidate with the background and pedigree of James Bond.
The ideal person for Essex with the Licence to kick backsides into touch.
One hopes and prays that he does not get too cosy with his feet under the table, as some of the Tory predecessors. One liners and sarcastic responses to complaint letters was the general order of the day with past Police Authority Chairpersons well done Nick now lets have some Nick on both sides of the coin. James Stratstone
Congratulations and what an excellent choice of candidate for the post second and bar to none. My cousin in Colchester inadvertently gave 5 votes to Thwaites and what a mistake that was,however they ticked Nick as the second choice box. As Nick did not get the 50% required the second choice votes where taken into account thank the good lord. Thwaites was the choice because the old bill wanted him in the post for their own nepotistic reasons. Alston is the ideal candidate with the background and pedigree of James Bond. The ideal person for Essex with the Licence to kick backsides into touch. One hopes and prays that he does not get too cosy with his feet under the table, as some of the Tory predecessors. One liners and sarcastic responses to complaint letters was the general order of the day with past Police Authority Chairpersons well done Nick now lets have some Nick on both sides of the coin. James Stratstone James Stratstone

9:44pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Soouthchurch59 says...

It got the attention it deserved!
It got the attention it deserved! Soouthchurch59

9:48pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Brunning999 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
If this was not a political appointment, and candidates had to swear an oath of impartiality, why were they standing as tory, Labour, LibDem, Ukip, INdependent etc?
For once we agree.

What a joke how can you vote for a guy that is working for a government that has done more to harm Essex Police than any Government since 1840.

It is madness the people that voted for Alston have just blindly voted for a party representative that is unable to improve anything with a 20% cut.

Crazy, crazy Tory voters.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: If this was not a political appointment, and candidates had to swear an oath of impartiality, why were they standing as tory, Labour, LibDem, Ukip, INdependent etc?[/p][/quote]For once we agree. What a joke how can you vote for a guy that is working for a government that has done more to harm Essex Police than any Government since 1840. It is madness the people that voted for Alston have just blindly voted for a party representative that is unable to improve anything with a 20% cut. Crazy, crazy Tory voters. Brunning999

9:54pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Saxonpride says...

Brunning999 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
If this was not a political appointment, and candidates had to swear an oath of impartiality, why were they standing as tory, Labour, LibDem, Ukip, INdependent etc?
For once we agree.

What a joke how can you vote for a guy that is working for a government that has done more to harm Essex Police than any Government since 1840.

It is madness the people that voted for Alston have just blindly voted for a party representative that is unable to improve anything with a 20% cut.

Crazy, crazy Tory voters.
Well, my esteemed friend, who would have been a better choice? The drunk-coddling Labour candidate? Or maybe the xenophobic buffoon from the English Democrats?
The sad truth is that there were only two candidates with any legitimacy in this election. Two out of six.

Trust me, I WANTED someone to make a convincing case on the more left-wing side. But all I saw were the same failed policies of criminal appeasement that failed during the Blair era and will fail now.
[quote][p][bold]Brunning999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: If this was not a political appointment, and candidates had to swear an oath of impartiality, why were they standing as tory, Labour, LibDem, Ukip, INdependent etc?[/p][/quote]For once we agree. What a joke how can you vote for a guy that is working for a government that has done more to harm Essex Police than any Government since 1840. It is madness the people that voted for Alston have just blindly voted for a party representative that is unable to improve anything with a 20% cut. Crazy, crazy Tory voters.[/p][/quote]Well, my esteemed friend, who would have been a better choice? The drunk-coddling Labour candidate? Or maybe the xenophobic buffoon from the English Democrats? The sad truth is that there were only two candidates with any legitimacy in this election. Two out of six. Trust me, I WANTED someone to make a convincing case on the more left-wing side. But all I saw were the same failed policies of criminal appeasement that failed during the Blair era and will fail now. Saxonpride

10:05pm Fri 16 Nov 12

mikepaterson says...

Broadwaywatch wrote:
Never did quite honestly understand any of it. No one knocked on my door. no one stopped me in the street, no one sent me a letter all I got was a polling card..
Who ever this Nick Alston is I wish him well in his new, I presume well paid position.
With due respect to my Alston I feel that the whole excercise was a waste of puplic money which if needed to be spent on this could well have waited untill we were out of finacial restraints the majority of this county and indeed country, is under
Agree - what a complete waste of money - we could have had our vote on Europe instead and really made a difference!
[quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: Never did quite honestly understand any of it. No one knocked on my door. no one stopped me in the street, no one sent me a letter all I got was a polling card.. Who ever this Nick Alston is I wish him well in his new, I presume well paid position. With due respect to my Alston I feel that the whole excercise was a waste of puplic money which if needed to be spent on this could well have waited untill we were out of finacial restraints the majority of this county and indeed country, is under[/p][/quote]Agree - what a complete waste of money - we could have had our vote on Europe instead and really made a difference! mikepaterson

10:08pm Fri 16 Nov 12

mikepaterson says...

Jatamab wrote:
There was information out there if you read the local free papers, or checked the websites, some people are forgetting that for a normal election it is for a very small area, so the candidates have the capacity to canvass their whole patch, this election was for for the whole of Essex, a massive area! The Tory was lucky enough to have a large established network and substantial financial backing, the independant Mick Thwaites did so well and had people voting for him as a credible candidate with real understanding and knowledge of the huge organisation this role involves. Can Alston say the same?
What free papers? What websites? What a waste!
[quote][p][bold]Jatamab[/bold] wrote: There was information out there if you read the local free papers, or checked the websites, some people are forgetting that for a normal election it is for a very small area, so the candidates have the capacity to canvass their whole patch, this election was for for the whole of Essex, a massive area! The Tory was lucky enough to have a large established network and substantial financial backing, the independant Mick Thwaites did so well and had people voting for him as a credible candidate with real understanding and knowledge of the huge organisation this role involves. Can Alston say the same?[/p][/quote]What free papers? What websites? What a waste! mikepaterson

10:20pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Louise Brooks says...

Having received no info at all about candidates, I looked online about 10 days ago. I then contacted 4 of the candidates asking why I'd received nothing and didn't they want our votes? Nick Alstom had a Facebook page so I put the comment on there - he deleted it and didn't even have the courtesy to reply! There is no way he was going to get my vote after that.
The only reply I got was from Andrew Smith at 11.00pm the night before the vote .

What a shambles.
Having received no info at all about candidates, I looked online about 10 days ago. I then contacted 4 of the candidates asking why I'd received nothing and didn't they want our votes? Nick Alstom had a Facebook page so I put the comment on there - he deleted it and didn't even have the courtesy to reply! There is no way he was going to get my vote after that. The only reply I got was from Andrew Smith at 11.00pm the night before the vote . What a shambles. Louise Brooks

10:24pm Fri 16 Nov 12

jayman says...

someone has yet to explain to me what the fundamental point to all this was..

is there any extra money going to the police force... no

will there be laws the police no longer have to enforce and investigate... no

will there be any extra police officers.... no

will there be new laws for the police to enforce due to all this.... no

is it just another chip of responsibility/accou
ntability that has been torn off the back of a very unpopular government... yes,
someone has yet to explain to me what the fundamental point to all this was.. is there any extra money going to the police force... no will there be laws the police no longer have to enforce and investigate... no will there be any extra police officers.... no will there be new laws for the police to enforce due to all this.... no is it just another chip of responsibility/accou ntability that has been torn off the back of a very unpopular government... yes, jayman

10:27pm Fri 16 Nov 12

emcee says...

setbuilder wrote:
emcee wrote:
Policing under a political banner is all bad news in my opinion. I did not vote purely for this reason. I do not disagree with having one person, answerable to the public, in which the police chiefs of each force, in turn, have to answer to. I do not even care who is the commisioner of police as long as he/she is not politically motivated and are able to take the police chiefs and the Government of the day to task.
Unfortunately, politicising the police only plays into the hands of the party/Government who has a commisioner affiliated to them. This is no good for policing as a whole and we will now see different police forces around the country being run with completely differing agendas from each other.
You could have voted for an independent - there were two! Don't vote, can't complain!
There was no independent I thought suitable. Therefore, what more should I have done? Voted for a political affiliated candidate or someone I did not think was up to the job.
All candidates should have been independent of any political affiliation. As it goes the best person won the job, based on his experience and abilities. However, he is politically affiliated and I would never have voted for him because of this. Had he been independent then I would have turned out to vote for him.
What will the tories do if he does not tow tories policies? And if he does not agree or act within tory policy what is the point of him being a conservative candidate?
Yesterday was a bad day for British policing, allowing politics to steer the agendas of police forces around the country.
[quote][p][bold]setbuilder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: Policing under a political banner is all bad news in my opinion. I did not vote purely for this reason. I do not disagree with having one person, answerable to the public, in which the police chiefs of each force, in turn, have to answer to. I do not even care who is the commisioner of police as long as he/she is not politically motivated and are able to take the police chiefs and the Government of the day to task. Unfortunately, politicising the police only plays into the hands of the party/Government who has a commisioner affiliated to them. This is no good for policing as a whole and we will now see different police forces around the country being run with completely differing agendas from each other.[/p][/quote]You could have voted for an independent - there were two! Don't vote, can't complain![/p][/quote]There was no independent I thought suitable. Therefore, what more should I have done? Voted for a political affiliated candidate or someone I did not think was up to the job. All candidates should have been independent of any political affiliation. As it goes the best person won the job, based on his experience and abilities. However, he is politically affiliated and I would never have voted for him because of this. Had he been independent then I would have turned out to vote for him. What will the tories do if he does not tow tories policies? And if he does not agree or act within tory policy what is the point of him being a conservative candidate? Yesterday was a bad day for British policing, allowing politics to steer the agendas of police forces around the country. emcee

10:31pm Fri 16 Nov 12

asbo industries inc says...

yeah right. independent as a hog on ice. just look at southend council politics
yeah right. independent as a hog on ice. just look at southend council politics asbo industries inc

1:06am Sat 17 Nov 12

setbuilder says...

asbo industries inc wrote:
yeah right. independent as a hog on ice. just look at southend council politics
Whatever did Tom Waits do at Southend Council? ;)
[quote][p][bold]asbo industries inc[/bold] wrote: yeah right. independent as a hog on ice. just look at southend council politics[/p][/quote]Whatever did Tom Waits do at Southend Council? ;) setbuilder

5:54am Sat 17 Nov 12

rodgdodge says...

Nebs wrote:
When do we get to vote for the Essex judge and sentencing commissioner.
Good idea. I believe in the good old USA. Judges are ` elected` .At least the `public` get a say in justice, where as here ,they are appointed by the government! ( Maintain the establishment and status quo?)
Democracy rules ok?
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: When do we get to vote for the Essex judge and sentencing commissioner.[/p][/quote]Good idea. I believe in the good old USA. Judges are ` elected` .At least the `public` get a say in justice, where as here ,they are appointed by the government! ( Maintain the establishment and status quo?) Democracy rules ok? rodgdodge

7:13am Sat 17 Nov 12

Brunning999 says...

Captain Nick Alston RN starts the job with a 20% cut, which he must agree with because he stands elected under the Conservative banner.

I dare say if Garry Glitter had stood for the same party he would have been elected by the blind voters of Essex.

There is no way if you feel a change is needed with Policing that any half wit would vote from a starting point of accepting 20% cuts that is beyond any normal reasonable thinking person.

This decision by that pathetic bombastic Home Secretary Mrs May to fully back this dangerous road to controlling the Police feels me with horror.

Didn't a certain person in Germany gain control of the Police.

This Government will go down soon with the worst record in both Law and Order and Policing since 1840.
Captain Nick Alston RN starts the job with a 20% cut, which he must agree with because he stands elected under the Conservative banner. I dare say if Garry Glitter had stood for the same party he would have been elected by the blind voters of Essex. There is no way if you feel a change is needed with Policing that any half wit would vote from a starting point of accepting 20% cuts that is beyond any normal reasonable thinking person. This decision by that pathetic bombastic Home Secretary Mrs May to fully back this dangerous road to controlling the Police feels me with horror. Didn't a certain person in Germany gain control of the Police. This Government will go down soon with the worst record in both Law and Order and Policing since 1840. Brunning999

7:35am Sat 17 Nov 12

upset says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Saxonpride wrote:
trell wrote:
Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police.
Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.
It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats.
I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals.
I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.
Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV.
You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial.
So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party.
For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.
You can turn your aerial round to receive London news that covers our Island John.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trell[/bold] wrote: Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police. Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.[/p][/quote]It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats. I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals. I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.[/p][/quote]Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV. You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial. So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party. For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.[/p][/quote]You can turn your aerial round to receive London news that covers our Island John. upset

7:37am Sat 17 Nov 12

upset says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Saxonpride wrote:
trell wrote:
Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police.
Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.
It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats.
I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals.
I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.
Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV.
You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial.
So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party.
For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.
It's the Echo that made this political with their headline John.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trell[/bold] wrote: Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police. Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.[/p][/quote]It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats. I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals. I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.[/p][/quote]Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV. You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial. So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party. For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.[/p][/quote]It's the Echo that made this political with their headline John. upset

8:33am Sat 17 Nov 12

wellnow says...

when i voted i had to shake the team at the station awake and clean the cobwebs from the ballot box.
when i voted i had to shake the team at the station awake and clean the cobwebs from the ballot box. wellnow

9:52am Sat 17 Nov 12

newcommuter says...

The word many posters have been grasping for is "omnishambles".
I have a little more faith in the PCs, I don't think they will lie down and take it when it becomes political. They know that they police by consent and rely on public support, they have a real mandate from the electorate. Perhaps the anti trade union posters will come to thank the Police Federation for standing up for their interests, which no current political party seems able to do.
The word many posters have been grasping for is "omnishambles". I have a little more faith in the PCs, I don't think they will lie down and take it when it becomes political. They know that they police by consent and rely on public support, they have a real mandate from the electorate. Perhaps the anti trade union posters will come to thank the Police Federation for standing up for their interests, which no current political party seems able to do. newcommuter

10:20am Sat 17 Nov 12

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

newcommuter wrote:
The word many posters have been grasping for is "omnishambles".

I have a little more faith in the PCs, I don't think they will lie down and take it when it becomes political. They know that they police by consent and rely on public support, they have a real mandate from the electorate. Perhaps the anti trade union posters will come to thank the Police Federation for standing up for their interests, which no current political party seems able to do.
It's been political before and all the police did was cash in.
[quote][p][bold]newcommuter[/bold] wrote: The word many posters have been grasping for is "omnishambles". I have a little more faith in the PCs, I don't think they will lie down and take it when it becomes political. They know that they police by consent and rely on public support, they have a real mandate from the electorate. Perhaps the anti trade union posters will come to thank the Police Federation for standing up for their interests, which no current political party seems able to do.[/p][/quote]It's been political before and all the police did was cash in. Shoebury_Cyclist

12:03pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Sdapeze says...

What were the votes for all the candidates? I have only seen two of the candidate's results.
What were the votes for all the candidates? I have only seen two of the candidate's results. Sdapeze

12:08pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Sdapeze says...

I found it at the East Anglian site. Other candidates who ran for the £85,000 job were Labour’s Val Morris-Cook, who secured 27,926 of first preference votes; Linda Belgrove (Independent) with 22,163; Andrew Smith (UKIP) with 15,138 and Robin Tilbrook (English Democrats) with 11,550. So no surprises there then.
I found it at the East Anglian site. Other candidates who ran for the £85,000 job were Labour’s Val Morris-Cook, who secured 27,926 of first preference votes; Linda Belgrove (Independent) with 22,163; Andrew Smith (UKIP) with 15,138 and Robin Tilbrook (English Democrats) with 11,550. So no surprises there then. Sdapeze

12:47pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Olivia2847 says...

I notice that Noddy is out with his censors blue crayon again - the one his Mum got in that pack of pencils in Wetherspoons. If we have the ability to comment here, why can't we respond to the new hot topic - 'Turnout concerns mar police votes' ?
I notice that Noddy is out with his censors blue crayon again - the one his Mum got in that pack of pencils in Wetherspoons. If we have the ability to comment here, why can't we respond to the new hot topic - 'Turnout concerns mar police votes' ? Olivia2847

2:06pm Sat 17 Nov 12

jaywick grinch says...

Wast of time in cracktown the police do sod all even when its happening under there noses in the road they operate from , It wont change a thing.
Wast of time in cracktown the police do sod all even when its happening under there noses in the road they operate from , It wont change a thing. jaywick grinch

2:12pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Aint it just the truth says...

The Tories are off with the fairies if they think anyone really cares about Police Commissioners or gay marriage, what does concern people is the recession, lack of growth, the banks not lending money, ridiculous differentials and Camerons war on the poor. At this rate the Tories don't stand a chance of re-election for decades. Then again Labour are just as bad as they would drag us even further into the claws of the EU. Grrr!
The Tories are off with the fairies if they think anyone really cares about Police Commissioners or gay marriage, what does concern people is the recession, lack of growth, the banks not lending money, ridiculous differentials and Camerons war on the poor. At this rate the Tories don't stand a chance of re-election for decades. Then again Labour are just as bad as they would drag us even further into the claws of the EU. Grrr! Aint it just the truth

7:33pm Sat 17 Nov 12

John T Pharro says...

setbuilder wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Saxonpride wrote:
trell wrote:
Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police.
Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.
It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats.
I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals.
I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.
Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV.
You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial.
So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party.
For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.
Poor excuse. You're on-line now and all the details from the candidates have been on-line for some time.
The only people who might be excused for not voting are those who are computer-illiterate.
Well that is interesting as the electoral commission is investigating the very reason I gave for not voting. Just because I am on the net, the net has not been used before as the MAIN source of information. So why do you think it was a poor turnout and do you think there should be a political sponsored candidate, of any party, running?
[quote][p][bold]setbuilder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trell[/bold] wrote: Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police. Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.[/p][/quote]It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats. I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals. I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.[/p][/quote]Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV. You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial. So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party. For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.[/p][/quote]Poor excuse. You're on-line now and all the details from the candidates have been on-line for some time. The only people who might be excused for not voting are those who are computer-illiterate.[/p][/quote]Well that is interesting as the electoral commission is investigating the very reason I gave for not voting. Just because I am on the net, the net has not been used before as the MAIN source of information. So why do you think it was a poor turnout and do you think there should be a political sponsored candidate, of any party, running? John T Pharro

7:35pm Sat 17 Nov 12

John T Pharro says...

Saxonpride wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Saxonpride wrote:
trell wrote:
Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police.
Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.
It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats.
I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals.
I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.
Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV.
You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial.
So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party.
For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.
I am not a member of the Conservative party. I admit to voting for Cameron in the general elections, but it was because of his pledge to give us a British bill of rights and introduce prison barges to deal with overcrowding.

Let us just say that I am a liberal who believes in PUNISHING criminals instead of 'understanding' them.

You say I have politicised this issue? How so? I feel the responsibility to vote. I will not fault anyone here for not doing so. You must all act according to your own conscience.
But I personally have a zeal and passion for the democratic process. And in this election, the Conservative was the only one who seemed to have the experience necessary to take Essex back from the vandals and pond-life who have made life unbearable in areas like Canvey Island.

I did not vote for him because he was a Conservative. It may shock you to learn that I have become disenchanted with Cameron and view him as an arrogant, vicious paper tyrant. Trying to privatise both the police and the NHS, threatening the sanctity of the Ecuadorian embassy, insulting our European allies, pimping out his office via Peter Cruddas. I have grown to HATE our Prime Minister. I wish that wasn't so, but it is.

I voted for Alston based purely on the easily-accesible statements each candidate made. It was a pragmatic decision, not one motivated by any kind of partisan bias.
Well you didn't say that first time did you?
[quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trell[/bold] wrote: Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police. Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.[/p][/quote]It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats. I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals. I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.[/p][/quote]Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV. You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial. So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party. For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.[/p][/quote]I am not a member of the Conservative party. I admit to voting for Cameron in the general elections, but it was because of his pledge to give us a British bill of rights and introduce prison barges to deal with overcrowding. Let us just say that I am a liberal who believes in PUNISHING criminals instead of 'understanding' them. You say I have politicised this issue? How so? I feel the responsibility to vote. I will not fault anyone here for not doing so. You must all act according to your own conscience. But I personally have a zeal and passion for the democratic process. And in this election, the Conservative was the only one who seemed to have the experience necessary to take Essex back from the vandals and pond-life who have made life unbearable in areas like Canvey Island. I did not vote for him because he was a Conservative. It may shock you to learn that I have become disenchanted with Cameron and view him as an arrogant, vicious paper tyrant. Trying to privatise both the police and the NHS, threatening the sanctity of the Ecuadorian embassy, insulting our European allies, pimping out his office via Peter Cruddas. I have grown to HATE our Prime Minister. I wish that wasn't so, but it is. I voted for Alston based purely on the easily-accesible statements each candidate made. It was a pragmatic decision, not one motivated by any kind of partisan bias.[/p][/quote]Well you didn't say that first time did you? John T Pharro

7:39pm Sat 17 Nov 12

John T Pharro says...

upset wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Saxonpride wrote:
trell wrote:
Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police.
Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.
It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats.
I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals.
I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.
Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV.
You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial.
So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party.
For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.
You can turn your aerial round to receive London news that covers our Island John.
Want to get up on my roof to change it and the company that fitted it said that when, as now, the signal is put on full strength you may have problems as the signal from Kent may try and override the London signal. I notice most areas on Canvey point to Kent.
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trell[/bold] wrote: Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police. Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.[/p][/quote]It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats. I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals. I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.[/p][/quote]Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV. You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial. So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party. For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.[/p][/quote]You can turn your aerial round to receive London news that covers our Island John.[/p][/quote]Want to get up on my roof to change it and the company that fitted it said that when, as now, the signal is put on full strength you may have problems as the signal from Kent may try and override the London signal. I notice most areas on Canvey point to Kent. John T Pharro

7:45pm Sat 17 Nov 12

John T Pharro says...

upset wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Saxonpride wrote:
trell wrote:
Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police.
Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.
It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats.
I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals.
I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.
Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV.
You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial.
So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party.
For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.
It's the Echo that made this political with their headline John.
No I came to that on my own I don't think any Police Commisioner of police, just like the police should be politically sponsored. So,they sign a declaration that he will be impartial, well,I will soon know about that as I have already written an email with concerns I have.
Actually politicians say the same thing prior to,election, that is they will represent their constituents regardless of whether you voted for them.
Do,you really believe that?
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trell[/bold] wrote: Well done to all the people who didn't vote, and all those who voted for Mr. Alston. - Congratulations! You've contributed to the politicization of Essex Police. Expect more Home Office bureaucracy and further Government cuts as this Tory stooge reinforces Theresa May's unrealistic and shambolic decisions.[/p][/quote]It was either Alston or the criminal coddling Labour candidate. To say nothing of the flag-waving imbecile from the English Democrats. I was convinced by Alston's military service, his actions in Northern Ireland and the comparative incompetence of his rivals. I voted for him and I won't apologise for it.[/p][/quote]Well Saxonpride you know more about the candidates than I do. I had no literature, nothing on the TV of course, because us on Canvey can only get Kent and Sussex not our local TV. You are a wonderful advert for the reason so many are sceptical. You have made it political. That is despite the Commissioner having to swear an oath of being impartial. So are you are your a typical Tory supporter and/or party member? If you are the latter trust they will distance themselves from you and kick you out of their party. For the first time ever I did not vote because I had no idea about any of the candidates.[/p][/quote]It's the Echo that made this political with their headline John.[/p][/quote]No I came to that on my own I don't think any Police Commisioner of police, just like the police should be politically sponsored. So,they sign a declaration that he will be impartial, well,I will soon know about that as I have already written an email with concerns I have. Actually politicians say the same thing prior to,election, that is they will represent their constituents regardless of whether you voted for them. Do,you really believe that? John T Pharro

7:50pm Sat 17 Nov 12

John T Pharro says...

Aint it just the truth wrote:
The Tories are off with the fairies if they think anyone really cares about Police Commissioners or gay marriage, what does concern people is the recession, lack of growth, the banks not lending money, ridiculous differentials and Camerons war on the poor. At this rate the Tories don't stand a chance of re-election for decades. Then again Labour are just as bad as they would drag us even further into the claws of the EU. Grrr!
"Off with the fairies" or off on cannabis?
[quote][p][bold]Aint it just the truth[/bold] wrote: The Tories are off with the fairies if they think anyone really cares about Police Commissioners or gay marriage, what does concern people is the recession, lack of growth, the banks not lending money, ridiculous differentials and Camerons war on the poor. At this rate the Tories don't stand a chance of re-election for decades. Then again Labour are just as bad as they would drag us even further into the claws of the EU. Grrr![/p][/quote]"Off with the fairies" or off on cannabis? John T Pharro

8:16pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Aint it just the truth says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Aint it just the truth wrote: The Tories are off with the fairies if they think anyone really cares about Police Commissioners or gay marriage, what does concern people is the recession, lack of growth, the banks not lending money, ridiculous differentials and Camerons war on the poor. At this rate the Tories don't stand a chance of re-election for decades. Then again Labour are just as bad as they would drag us even further into the claws of the EU. Grrr!
"Off with the fairies" or off on cannabis?
Silly comment John, or do you know something we don't? Since you mention it...MPs and politicians who have publicly admitted smoking cannabis, most of whom have supported decriminalisation legislation:- Peter Ainsworth, Baroness Ashton of Upholland, Hazel Blears, Andy Burnham, Charles Clarke, Vernon Coaker, Yvette Cooper, Bruce Crawford, Alistair Darling, John Denham, Fergus Ewing, Caroline Flint, Harriet Harman, John Hutton, Fiona Hyslop, Bernard Jenkin, Boris Johnson, Jon Owen Jones, Ruth Kelly, Susan Kramer, Oliver Letwin, Tricia Marwick, Tony McNulty, Francis Maude, Stewart Maxwell, Mo Mowlam, Archie Norman, Shona Robison, Jacqui Smith, Nicola Sturgeon, Matthew Taylor, David Willetts, Tim Yeo, And then there is David Cameron who has stated he is in favour of medicinal cannabis but refuses to comment on stories in the press that he has used cannabis and cocaine.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aint it just the truth[/bold] wrote: The Tories are off with the fairies if they think anyone really cares about Police Commissioners or gay marriage, what does concern people is the recession, lack of growth, the banks not lending money, ridiculous differentials and Camerons war on the poor. At this rate the Tories don't stand a chance of re-election for decades. Then again Labour are just as bad as they would drag us even further into the claws of the EU. Grrr![/p][/quote]"Off with the fairies" or off on cannabis?[/p][/quote]Silly comment John, or do you know something we don't? Since you mention it...MPs and politicians who have publicly admitted smoking cannabis, most of whom have supported decriminalisation legislation:- Peter Ainsworth, Baroness Ashton of Upholland, Hazel Blears, Andy Burnham, Charles Clarke, Vernon Coaker, Yvette Cooper, Bruce Crawford, Alistair Darling, John Denham, Fergus Ewing, Caroline Flint, Harriet Harman, John Hutton, Fiona Hyslop, Bernard Jenkin, Boris Johnson, Jon Owen Jones, Ruth Kelly, Susan Kramer, Oliver Letwin, Tricia Marwick, Tony McNulty, Francis Maude, Stewart Maxwell, Mo Mowlam, Archie Norman, Shona Robison, Jacqui Smith, Nicola Sturgeon, Matthew Taylor, David Willetts, Tim Yeo, And then there is David Cameron who has stated he is in favour of medicinal cannabis but refuses to comment on stories in the press that he has used cannabis and cocaine. Aint it just the truth

9:46pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Nebs says...

Aint it just the truth wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Aint it just the truth wrote: The Tories are off with the fairies if they think anyone really cares about Police Commissioners or gay marriage, what does concern people is the recession, lack of growth, the banks not lending money, ridiculous differentials and Camerons war on the poor. At this rate the Tories don't stand a chance of re-election for decades. Then again Labour are just as bad as they would drag us even further into the claws of the EU. Grrr!
"Off with the fairies" or off on cannabis?
Silly comment John, or do you know something we don't? Since you mention it...MPs and politicians who have publicly admitted smoking cannabis, most of whom have supported decriminalisation legislation:- Peter Ainsworth, Baroness Ashton of Upholland, Hazel Blears, Andy Burnham, Charles Clarke, Vernon Coaker, Yvette Cooper, Bruce Crawford, Alistair Darling, John Denham, Fergus Ewing, Caroline Flint, Harriet Harman, John Hutton, Fiona Hyslop, Bernard Jenkin, Boris Johnson, Jon Owen Jones, Ruth Kelly, Susan Kramer, Oliver Letwin, Tricia Marwick, Tony McNulty, Francis Maude, Stewart Maxwell, Mo Mowlam, Archie Norman, Shona Robison, Jacqui Smith, Nicola Sturgeon, Matthew Taylor, David Willetts, Tim Yeo, And then there is David Cameron who has stated he is in favour of medicinal cannabis but refuses to comment on stories in the press that he has used cannabis and cocaine.
Now we know why the country is in such a mess.
[quote][p][bold]Aint it just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aint it just the truth[/bold] wrote: The Tories are off with the fairies if they think anyone really cares about Police Commissioners or gay marriage, what does concern people is the recession, lack of growth, the banks not lending money, ridiculous differentials and Camerons war on the poor. At this rate the Tories don't stand a chance of re-election for decades. Then again Labour are just as bad as they would drag us even further into the claws of the EU. Grrr![/p][/quote]"Off with the fairies" or off on cannabis?[/p][/quote]Silly comment John, or do you know something we don't? Since you mention it...MPs and politicians who have publicly admitted smoking cannabis, most of whom have supported decriminalisation legislation:- Peter Ainsworth, Baroness Ashton of Upholland, Hazel Blears, Andy Burnham, Charles Clarke, Vernon Coaker, Yvette Cooper, Bruce Crawford, Alistair Darling, John Denham, Fergus Ewing, Caroline Flint, Harriet Harman, John Hutton, Fiona Hyslop, Bernard Jenkin, Boris Johnson, Jon Owen Jones, Ruth Kelly, Susan Kramer, Oliver Letwin, Tricia Marwick, Tony McNulty, Francis Maude, Stewart Maxwell, Mo Mowlam, Archie Norman, Shona Robison, Jacqui Smith, Nicola Sturgeon, Matthew Taylor, David Willetts, Tim Yeo, And then there is David Cameron who has stated he is in favour of medicinal cannabis but refuses to comment on stories in the press that he has used cannabis and cocaine.[/p][/quote]Now we know why the country is in such a mess. Nebs

9:52pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Aint it just the truth says...

This is the wrong thread for this but are you seriously saying that Mo Mowlam was a fool?
This is the wrong thread for this but are you seriously saying that Mo Mowlam was a fool? Aint it just the truth

10:08pm Sat 17 Nov 12

shoeburylad says...

I did go out and vote and I think the best candidate won. Here in my part of Shoebury, I received a personal letter from my local councillors introducing Nick Alston as well as explaining the role of the Police Commissioners. I also received a leaflet from Nick Alston two days before the election. This was the only information I received from any of the candidates

I also looked online for information on all the other candidates. I didn't vote for Mick Thwaites as I didn't like the idea of a former policeman running the police. Also, without having to spend too muck time searching it was clear that Mick Thwaites is about as independent as Tibet!

Also, the full page colour advert in the Echo from Mick couldn't have been cheap. I would be surprised if a retired copper on a police pension could fund such a campaign, if so they obviously get far too much. His campaign therefore could only have been funded by big businesses. If he was elected I wonder what favours he would have had to pay back?
I did go out and vote and I think the best candidate won. Here in my part of Shoebury, I received a personal letter from my local councillors introducing Nick Alston as well as explaining the role of the Police Commissioners. I also received a leaflet from Nick Alston two days before the election. This was the only information I received from any of the candidates I also looked online for information on all the other candidates. I didn't vote for Mick Thwaites as I didn't like the idea of a former policeman running the police. Also, without having to spend too muck time searching it was clear that Mick Thwaites is about as independent as Tibet! Also, the full page colour advert in the Echo from Mick couldn't have been cheap. I would be surprised if a retired copper on a police pension could fund such a campaign, if so they obviously get far too much. His campaign therefore could only have been funded by big businesses. If he was elected I wonder what favours he would have had to pay back? shoeburylad

11:04pm Sat 17 Nov 12

1nails says...

I telephoned the civic centre asked the question, and the next day, I received a booklet through my letter box with all the candidates details. Alston's write up was, in MY opinion the least impressive. But, there again, he's a tory !!!!!.
I telephoned the civic centre asked the question, and the next day, I received a booklet through my letter box with all the candidates details. Alston's write up was, in MY opinion the least impressive. But, there again, he's a tory !!!!!. 1nails

11:49pm Sat 17 Nov 12

asbo industries inc says...

Aint it just the truth wrote:
This is the wrong thread for this but are you seriously saying that Mo Mowlam was a fool?
ho ho. the role call of losers. nicola face of a sturgeon, ruth kelly, charles clarke!!! hilarious
[quote][p][bold]Aint it just the truth[/bold] wrote: This is the wrong thread for this but are you seriously saying that Mo Mowlam was a fool?[/p][/quote]ho ho. the role call of losers. nicola face of a sturgeon, ruth kelly, charles clarke!!! hilarious asbo industries inc

5:38pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Ossiepith says...

I see Mr Alston managed to obtain just under 5% of the vote. Some mandate!
I see Mr Alston managed to obtain just under 5% of the vote. Some mandate! Ossiepith

11:56pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Boris says...

Ossiepith wrote:
I see Mr Alston managed to obtain just under 5% of the vote. Some mandate!
All the people who failed to vote were in fact stating they were happy with whoever won. So Mr Alston in fact had an overwhelming majority.
[quote][p][bold]Ossiepith[/bold] wrote: I see Mr Alston managed to obtain just under 5% of the vote. Some mandate![/p][/quote]All the people who failed to vote were in fact stating they were happy with whoever won. So Mr Alston in fact had an overwhelming majority. Boris

11:59pm Sun 18 Nov 12

Boris says...

Sdapeze wrote:
I found it at the East Anglian site. Other candidates who ran for the £85,000 job were Labour’s Val Morris-Cook, who secured 27,926 of first preference votes; Linda Belgrove (Independent) with 22,163; Andrew Smith (UKIP) with 15,138 and Robin Tilbrook (English Democrats) with 11,550. So no surprises there then.
Here is the same information but in greater detail:
http://www.chelmsfor
d.gov.uk/pcc-electio
n-results
Thjis tells you how many voted for each candidate in each district.
[quote][p][bold]Sdapeze[/bold] wrote: I found it at the East Anglian site. Other candidates who ran for the £85,000 job were Labour’s Val Morris-Cook, who secured 27,926 of first preference votes; Linda Belgrove (Independent) with 22,163; Andrew Smith (UKIP) with 15,138 and Robin Tilbrook (English Democrats) with 11,550. So no surprises there then.[/p][/quote]Here is the same information but in greater detail: http://www.chelmsfor d.gov.uk/pcc-electio n-results Thjis tells you how many voted for each candidate in each district. Boris

11:07am Mon 19 Nov 12

Checkout says...

Thanks for the link Boris. I wonder why it's posted on the City of Chelmsford site and not the ECC site. Perhaps it's a Freudian slip!
Thanks for the link Boris. I wonder why it's posted on the City of Chelmsford site and not the ECC site. Perhaps it's a Freudian slip! Checkout

7:20pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Aint it just the truth says...

Boris wrote:
Ossiepith wrote: I see Mr Alston managed to obtain just under 5% of the vote. Some mandate!
All the people who failed to vote were in fact stating they were happy with whoever won. So Mr Alston in fact had an overwhelming majority.
Absolute rubbish, everyone I know who didn't vote did so because they don't agree with more political influence in the Police and they think this was a petty unimportant issue, like gay marriage, which should have been looked at when the recession is over and the banks start lending again, not now. I have voted Tory before but I never will again after the lies Cameron has told us - "the NHS is safe in our hands" etc - and his despicable war on the poor. Then again I'm not voting Labour either as they are still obsessed with obeying the EU.
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossiepith[/bold] wrote: I see Mr Alston managed to obtain just under 5% of the vote. Some mandate![/p][/quote]All the people who failed to vote were in fact stating they were happy with whoever won. So Mr Alston in fact had an overwhelming majority.[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish, everyone I know who didn't vote did so because they don't agree with more political influence in the Police and they think this was a petty unimportant issue, like gay marriage, which should have been looked at when the recession is over and the banks start lending again, not now. I have voted Tory before but I never will again after the lies Cameron has told us - "the NHS is safe in our hands" etc - and his despicable war on the poor. Then again I'm not voting Labour either as they are still obsessed with obeying the EU. Aint it just the truth

7:22pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Brunning999 says...

The campaign is over and you have won, personally I think it has been a disaster for democracy and the Police.

However I have no complaint with Nick Alston and wish him well in his new role as I know it is one heck of a job and any person undertaking such a role I needs to be careful and watch their health.

I wish him good luck in the job, I hope and pray he can both improve Essex Police and I am sure he also hopes he can look at be 20% cut in budget more sensibly.
The campaign is over and you have won, personally I think it has been a disaster for democracy and the Police. However I have no complaint with Nick Alston and wish him well in his new role as I know it is one heck of a job and any person undertaking such a role I needs to be careful and watch their health. I wish him good luck in the job, I hope and pray he can both improve Essex Police and I am sure he also hopes he can look at be 20% cut in budget more sensibly. Brunning999

11:48am Tue 20 Nov 12

r6keith says...

Boris wrote:
I should have added: Is it known how much money the Essex Tories threw at this election? I actually got a leaflet from Mr Alston, the only candidate who distributed one in my area. Which leading Tory used his Essex County Council credit card to pay the printer's bill?
Even this is not right I will assume that a Tory or Labour candidate for this posistion would have some finacial backing from his or hers party.Enabling them to distribute leaflets etc to put thier case across and maybe even an army of assistants to distibute them. On the other hand a true independant would have no finacial backing to be able to do this, not really a fair system is it. As someone else mentioned how can you have an unbiased party supported candidate ?
[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote: I should have added: Is it known how much money the Essex Tories threw at this election? I actually got a leaflet from Mr Alston, the only candidate who distributed one in my area. Which leading Tory used his Essex County Council credit card to pay the printer's bill?[/p][/quote]Even this is not right I will assume that a Tory or Labour candidate for this posistion would have some finacial backing from his or hers party.Enabling them to distribute leaflets etc to put thier case across and maybe even an army of assistants to distibute them. On the other hand a true independant would have no finacial backing to be able to do this, not really a fair system is it. As someone else mentioned how can you have an unbiased party supported candidate ? r6keith

9:49pm Tue 20 Nov 12

woolstone says...

As there was a low turnout to vote across the country it seems to me that a majority of the public felt like I did and that the only way to show our feelings against this new pcc role was to withold our vote to show our disapproval of how it would be too political in the future. It was badly managed and a farce, most people did not know enough about the candidates, some people voted because they thought it was their duty never mind that they really did not agree with it.
I hope the Government comes to it senses and admit they got it wrong, but I won't hold my breath for that.
As there was a low turnout to vote across the country it seems to me that a majority of the public felt like I did and that the only way to show our feelings against this new pcc role was to withold our vote to show our disapproval of how it would be too political in the future. It was badly managed and a farce, most people did not know enough about the candidates, some people voted because they thought it was their duty never mind that they really did not agree with it. I hope the Government comes to it senses and admit they got it wrong, but I won't hold my breath for that. woolstone

5:04pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Farmhouse France says...

jayman wrote:
someone has yet to explain to me what the fundamental point to all this was.. is there any extra money going to the police force... no will there be laws the police no longer have to enforce and investigate... no will there be any extra police officers.... no will there be new laws for the police to enforce due to all this.... no is it just another chip of responsibility/accou ntability that has been torn off the back of a very unpopular government... yes,
Well put Jayman. How can one officer do more than he does now? How does funding cuts help the public? Can't wait to see this miraculous transformation of Essex Police Force and what great things they have in store for our already overworked force.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: someone has yet to explain to me what the fundamental point to all this was.. is there any extra money going to the police force... no will there be laws the police no longer have to enforce and investigate... no will there be any extra police officers.... no will there be new laws for the police to enforce due to all this.... no is it just another chip of responsibility/accou ntability that has been torn off the back of a very unpopular government... yes,[/p][/quote]Well put Jayman. How can one officer do more than he does now? How does funding cuts help the public? Can't wait to see this miraculous transformation of Essex Police Force and what great things they have in store for our already overworked force. Farmhouse France

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