Updated: Motorists face jams after rush hour crashes (From Echo)

Too many idiots driving far too close to the car in front whilst busy on mobile phones - love to see the Police have a major crackdown on driving with a phone. It's proven to be more dangerous than driving whilst under the influence.

Fiat Ibiza ?? Come on again echo

Indeed, it's a Seat Ibiza...

The M25 accident happened in almost the same place as the crash on Monday night. It looked very bad, and I have a horrible feeling this story may be updated soon. I pray however that I am wrong.

perini wrote:
Too many idiots driving far too close to the car in front whilst busy on mobile phones - love to see the Police have a major crackdown on driving with a phone. It's proven to be more dangerous than driving whilst under the influence.

Whist driving my Touareg, I see other drivers all the time with mobile phones, in their laps, texting..
Lets see the law changed, that you lose your license if caught, and loads of stops by the police to check when the phone was last used.

Carnabackable wrote:

perini wrote: Too many idiots driving far too close to the car in front whilst busy on mobile phones - love to see the Police have a major crackdown on driving with a phone. It's proven to be more dangerous than driving whilst under the influence.

Whist driving my Touareg, I see other drivers all the time with mobile phones, in their laps, texting.. Lets see the law changed, that you lose your license if caught, and loads of stops by the police to check when the phone was last used.

I totally agree!

As a note I was pleased to hear that insurance costs for women are going up, bringing them in line with the hard working men.

Carnabackable wrote:

perini wrote:
Too many idiots driving far too close to the car in front whilst busy on mobile phones - love to see the Police have a major crackdown on driving with a phone. It's proven to be more dangerous than driving whilst under the influence.

Whist driving my Touareg, I see other drivers all the time with mobile phones, in their laps, texting..
Lets see the law changed, that you lose your license if caught, and loads of stops by the police to check when the phone was last used.

Agree totally.

Agree with the mobile phones comments, but is that in anyway relevant to the cause of the accidents?

On Motorways Id say accidents are far more likely to be caused by other things, general bad driving at speed and too close to others than using phones.

I drove past the accident this morning. It was at the point where the slip road leaves the A282 to go down to the roundabout. This is a point where cars and lorries using the left lane can only go down to the roundabout.

I've seen time and again drivers realise at the last minute, and rather than continue to the roundabout to rejoin the motorway, cut dangerously across.

I'm not saying this was the cause of the accident this morning, although a man has been arrested for dangerous driving and the damage to the lorry looked as though it has rammed something. But this does happen, and it's simply down to driving standards.

perini wrote:

Carnabackable wrote:

perini wrote: Too many idiots driving far too close to the car in front whilst busy on mobile phones - love to see the Police have a major crackdown on driving with a phone. It's proven to be more dangerous than driving whilst under the influence.

Whist driving my Touareg, I see other drivers all the time with mobile phones, in their laps, texting.. Lets see the law changed, that you lose your license if caught, and loads of stops by the police to check when the phone was last used.

I totally agree!

So do I. Driving round the M25 on Monday a driver passed me phone clamped to ear as I was listening to the traffic news on the radio about the accident. As I was doing 70 mph what was that idiot doing to pass me?

Carnabackable wrote:
As a note I was pleased to hear that insurance costs for women are going up, bringing them in line with the hard working men.

Would these be the sme men that are responsible for the vast majority of fatal car crashes rather than minor scrapes. How often do you you hear of a car full of teenage girls, or women in their early twenties driving like maniacs. Men should pay higher premiums until they have clinically proven that their testosterone levels are diminished sufficiently to reduce their moronic behaviour, Everyne who uses a mobile phone while driving should feel the full force of the law and the police should be out policing all road users. Not as I witnessed the other day driving along while rummaging around on the back seat and waving to their 'mates' from the station.

Hannah Foster wrote:

Carnabackable wrote:
As a note I was pleased to hear that insurance costs for women are going up, bringing them in line with the hard working men.

Would these be the sme men that are responsible for the vast majority of fatal car crashes rather than minor scrapes. How often do you you hear of a car full of teenage girls, or women in their early twenties driving like maniacs. Men should pay higher premiums until they have clinically proven that their testosterone levels are diminished sufficiently to reduce their moronic behaviour, Everyne who uses a mobile phone while driving should feel the full force of the law and the police should be out policing all road users. Not as I witnessed the other day driving along while rummaging around on the back seat and waving to their 'mates' from the station.

Utter rubbish, why should un-decisive phone texting women pay less, if anything they should pay more, after all men build the roads, men invented the cars, men write the legislation and men run this country...

Carnabackable wrote:

Hannah Foster wrote:

Carnabackable wrote:
As a note I was pleased to hear that insurance costs for women are going up, bringing them in line with the hard working men.

Would these be the sme men that are responsible for the vast majority of fatal car crashes rather than minor scrapes. How often do you you hear of a car full of teenage girls, or women in their early twenties driving like maniacs. Men should pay higher premiums until they have clinically proven that their testosterone levels are diminished sufficiently to reduce their moronic behaviour, Everyne who uses a mobile phone while driving should feel the full force of the law and the police should be out policing all road users. Not as I witnessed the other day driving along while rummaging around on the back seat and waving to their 'mates' from the station.

Utter rubbish, why should un-decisive phone texting women pay less, if anything they should pay more, after all men build the roads, men invented the cars, men write the legislation and men run this country...

....and look at the state of the country, the state of the roads, the corruption of the political system, the police force, the newspapers, the greed of bankers, the pollution caused by dependence on fast cars, the architects of war, men, men, men! Where would we be without them?
Many men struggle with so many things and statistically in terms of death and cost of treatment and rehabilitation from serious injuries, driving is one of them.
However men like you have no problem over inflating your sense of self importance and massaging each others ego's in the rugby club bar! 'Jobs for the boys eh?!
Soon enough women scientists ( of which I am one) will be able to allow women to reproduce without the input of men. You men are at risk of becoming extinct. Us women even get better satisfaction from a couple of AA batteries and a plastic rabbit than a man........Ohhhh yes yes yes!!
And incidently we will probably have better roads and cheaper insure then too.

I thought women wanted equality? If you drive carefully, whether you're male or female, you'll often get what is called a 'no-claims bonus' which rewards careful drivers with a discount on their insurance.

So with that in mind, if you're a careful driver, why shouldn't you pay the same?

Exactly my point, women and mechanics have never been a good mix

J_blond wrote:
I thought women wanted equality? If you drive carefully, whether you're male or female, you'll often get what is called a 'no-claims bonus' which rewards careful drivers with a discount on their insurance.

So with that in mind, if you're a careful driver, why shouldn't you pay the same?

Because the no claims bonus is not a uniform reduction which reflects the safely of the driver, especially when you have many years without a claim. The insurance companies manipulate the total price of the insurance depending on how hard a bargain you drive. It all gets

Hannah Foster wrote:

J_blond wrote:
I thought women wanted equality? If you drive carefully, whether you're male or female, you'll often get what is called a 'no-claims bonus' which rewards careful drivers with a discount on their insurance.

So with that in mind, if you're a careful driver, why shouldn't you pay the same?

Because the no claims bonus is not a uniform reduction which reflects the safely of the driver, especially when you have many years without a claim. The insurance companies manipulate the total price of the insurance depending on how hard a bargain you drive. It all gets

Buried in their calculations to squeeze every last penny out of you. They just take what they want and tell us we are getting a bargain. Giving with one hand and taking away with the other.

Hannah Foster wrote:

J_blond wrote:
I thought women wanted equality? If you drive carefully, whether you're male or female, you'll often get what is called a 'no-claims bonus' which rewards careful drivers with a discount on their insurance.

So with that in mind, if you're a careful driver, why shouldn't you pay the same?

Because the no claims bonus is not a uniform reduction which reflects the safely of the driver, especially when you have many years without a claim. The insurance companies manipulate the total price of the insurance depending on how hard a bargain you drive. It all gets

Buried in their calculations to squeeze every last penny out of you. They just take what they want and tell us we are getting a bargain. Giving with one hand and taking away with the other.

Hannah Foster wrote:

Hannah Foster wrote:

J_blond wrote:
I thought women wanted equality? If you drive carefully, whether you're male or female, you'll often get what is called a 'no-claims bonus' which rewards careful drivers with a discount on their insurance.

So with that in mind, if you're a careful driver, why shouldn't you pay the same?

Because the no claims bonus is not a uniform reduction which reflects the safely of the driver, especially when you have many years without a claim. The insurance companies manipulate the total price of the insurance depending on how hard a bargain you drive. It all gets

Buried in their calculations to squeeze every last penny out of you. They just take what they want and tell us we are getting a bargain. Giving with one hand and taking away with the other.

Posting the comment Once is enough Dearie, you have just answered my point, stick nto a couple of AA's hope you get them around the right way !

As well as people driving too close, don't forget those drivers that refuse to change lanes, plodding along completely oblivious to what is going on around them. The problem with driving in this manner is that they aren't staying alert, aren't keeping track of the cars around them and are poor at judging speed and distance.

Then there are those who decide to change lanes, but rather than check their mirrors first, they just flick their indicator (if you are lucky!) and then go. During the rush hour, I have taken to reducing the gap in front of me to stop this style of driving by other drivers.

A huge sum of money is spent on widening our roads to three or even four lanes, yet how many drivers use all the lanes effectively - very few!

However, above many other factors, the great variation in speeds by all road users is, I believe, at the crux of so many accidents - lorries limited to 56mph, legal drivers doing a steady 70mph (but tend to hog the lanes) and those on a mission travelling well in excess of 70mph. It is a dangerous combination at any time. Coupled with a reliance on sat nav, lack of journey planning, an inability to read road signs and last minute panic lane hopping to exit a road all add to the danger! Few drivers have a contingency plan if they find themselves in the wrong lane, instead just pushing in/through without remembering they are driving a ton of lethal metal.