Calls for survey to assess Canvey's failing road network

First published in Local News

A SENIOR councillor is calling for an in depth survey to be carried out to assess the condition of Canvey’s road network.

Concerned residents claim the road infrastructure on the island is at breaking point, as major roads such as Canvey Way, Somnes Avenue and Long Road as well as key junctions such as Sadlers Farm and Waterside Farm roundabout are regularly at a standstill.

Fears are the situation will only get worse as in the next five years Castle Point Council anticipates building 449 homes on the island as part of their development strategy for the borough.

More homes are also in the pipeline as prospective plans for 700 homes at Thorney Bay Caravan Park and Point Road have already been approved.

Now, Dave Blackwell, leader of the Canvey Independent Party, says conducting a detailed survey of the road network should be made the top priority in 2013 if new homes are on the horizon.

He said: “I have been absolutely inundated with emails and phone calls from people complaining about the terrible traffic on the roads. People are shouting from the rooftops Canvey’s roads can’t take any more large scale developments, so it’s about time an in depth survey was done to really assess just how our roads are doing.

“Everyone who lives here knows what they are like, and doing this would prove it once and for all. Before any more homes are built we need new roads.”

This comes after Rebecca Harris, Tory MP for Castle Point lobbied the Government in the House of Commons to change planning laws requiring infrastructure to be in place before major developments are approved.

In October, an exclusive Echo investigation revealed seven out of nine GP practices on the island were oversubscribed by in some cases up to 770 patients over the national average.

Essex County Council also confirmed the schools would not be able to cope with the additional pupils.

Mrs Harris said: “This is a huge issue in Castle Point. Often what statutory consultees such as the utility companies and the Highways Agency assure people is sustainable for the local infrastructure, does not tie up with the reality of people’s everyday existence on the ground.

“A lot of MPs share this concern that developments should only be approved where the infrastructure is in place to cope with more homes.”

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9:05am Wed 2 Jan 13

Brunning999 says...

If you are a resident in Castle Point all you ever read about is CANVEY CANVEY CANVEY!!!!!

I know many many roads in Benfleet that are far worse and can be easily compared with third world roads.
If you are a resident in Castle Point all you ever read about is CANVEY CANVEY CANVEY!!!!! I know many many roads in Benfleet that are far worse and can be easily compared with third world roads. Brunning999
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9:18am Wed 2 Jan 13

AndyBSG says...

Brunning999 wrote:
If you are a resident in Castle Point all you ever read about is CANVEY CANVEY CANVEY!!!!!

I know many many roads in Benfleet that are far worse and can be easily compared with third world roads.
The difference is that in Benfleet you always have alternative options.

Yes, the main roads may have problems at times but if, for example, Tarpots is gridlocked for someone wishing to go London bound then you can go through Rayleigh to the A127 or down Essex Way and via Canvey Way.

Once Canvey is gridlocked at Waterside there are NO alternatives for the whole 50,000 Island population.
[quote][p][bold]Brunning999[/bold] wrote: If you are a resident in Castle Point all you ever read about is CANVEY CANVEY CANVEY!!!!! I know many many roads in Benfleet that are far worse and can be easily compared with third world roads.[/p][/quote]The difference is that in Benfleet you always have alternative options. Yes, the main roads may have problems at times but if, for example, Tarpots is gridlocked for someone wishing to go London bound then you can go through Rayleigh to the A127 or down Essex Way and via Canvey Way. Once Canvey is gridlocked at Waterside there are NO alternatives for the whole 50,000 Island population. AndyBSG
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11:58am Wed 2 Jan 13

John T Pharro says...

This article may concentrate on the roads issue, but it also about the whole infrastructure such as drainage and sewers. Our MP and Councillor Blackwell are singing from the same hymn sheet here I hope. The problem with all of Castle Point is it cannot cope with more properties with the current infrastructure. The problem for Canvey is plans have been approved for 700 properties and no account has been taken if the infrastructure which cannot cope now.
Burning999 do you seriously believe that the over 700 properties because they are being built on Canvey won't affect Benfleet at all? They will only add to the present road congestion everywhere in the Borough. Put on too what is planned, but opposed by Castle Point in Benfleet which most probably will get approved on appeal and the floodgates will be opened.
Both our MP. And Councillors of all parties should support this no build without the infrastructure.
This article may concentrate on the roads issue, but it also about the whole infrastructure such as drainage and sewers. Our MP and Councillor Blackwell are singing from the same hymn sheet here I hope. The problem with all of Castle Point is it cannot cope with more properties with the current infrastructure. The problem for Canvey is plans have been approved for 700 properties and no account has been taken if the infrastructure which cannot cope now. Burning999 do you seriously believe that the over 700 properties because they are being built on Canvey won't affect Benfleet at all? They will only add to the present road congestion everywhere in the Borough. Put on too what is planned, but opposed by Castle Point in Benfleet which most probably will get approved on appeal and the floodgates will be opened. Both our MP. And Councillors of all parties should support this no build without the infrastructure. John T Pharro
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12:18pm Wed 2 Jan 13

MrFrogFace says...

John T Pharro I think you will find that what you have said has already been said by the Canvey Party Councillors for many years. An awful lot of the issues are mainly issues that are currently the responsibility of our County council and for the next 5 months we will be bamboozled with all this 'I will fight' from the candidates. I must add that if the lot we currently have representing us is anything to go by then they have had their chance in the past as this 'building new homes' idea hasn't just fallen out of the sky today. if I remember rightly Councillors at all levels including County have all been working on a 'local plan' for many years and the County ones who are responsible for the roads have not made any noises during the last few years otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it today.
I will also take this opportunity to comment about the Essex County Council response of the schools will not be able to cope !!! This infuriates me as Mr Castle who was responsible for education at the time of closing Furtherwick Park school on Canvey Island. He stated a drop in pupil numbers at primary level meant that Furtherwick Park would no longer be needed. In my opinion money 'allocated' for the 2 schools should have been made available to refurbish the 3 schools. He also promised No dwellings would be build on the old castle view site but there are plans for this. These promises are made by so called county Councillors who are all up for re-election this year.....Heaven helps us
John T Pharro I think you will find that what you have said has already been said by the Canvey Party Councillors for many years. An awful lot of the issues are mainly issues that are currently the responsibility of our County council and for the next 5 months we will be bamboozled with all this 'I will fight' from the candidates. I must add that if the lot we currently have representing us is anything to go by then they have had their chance in the past as this 'building new homes' idea hasn't just fallen out of the sky today. if I remember rightly Councillors at all levels including County have all been working on a 'local plan' for many years and the County ones who are responsible for the roads have not made any noises during the last few years otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it today. I will also take this opportunity to comment about the Essex County Council response of the schools will not be able to cope !!! This infuriates me as Mr Castle who was responsible for education at the time of closing Furtherwick Park school on Canvey Island. He stated a drop in pupil numbers at primary level meant that Furtherwick Park would no longer be needed. In my opinion money 'allocated' for the 2 schools should have been made available to refurbish the 3 schools. He also promised No dwellings would be build on the old castle view site but there are plans for this. These promises are made by so called county Councillors who are all up for re-election this year.....Heaven helps us MrFrogFace
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1:15pm Wed 2 Jan 13

upset says...

It's good to see DB is at last supporting our MP, or is he jumping on the band wagon?
Who does that remind me of?
It's good to see DB is at last supporting our MP, or is he jumping on the band wagon? Who does that remind me of? upset
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1:40pm Wed 2 Jan 13

MrFrogFace says...

Upset sorry to UPSET you but from my recollection Becca is jumping on his bandwagon after all DB has been on the local council for many years and been campaigning against building on green belt, drainage and about lack of infrastructure to our local County Councillors. Up until a few years years ago we'd never heard of her and many of us still do not know who or what she really does for us apart from stand in photographs and occasionally smile
Upset sorry to UPSET you but from my recollection Becca is jumping on his bandwagon after all DB has been on the local council for many years and been campaigning against building on green belt, drainage and about lack of infrastructure to our local County Councillors. Up until a few years years ago we'd never heard of her and many of us still do not know who or what she really does for us apart from stand in photographs and occasionally smile MrFrogFace
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1:48pm Wed 2 Jan 13

iknowbetter says...

upset wrote:
It's good to see DB is at last supporting our MP, or is he jumping on the band wagon?
Who does that remind me of?
Actually Dave B has been arguing this case for years, long before our MP even entered the political arena, Our MP has no choice but to support Dave in this as it has become such a major issue for residents that she can no longer carry on brushing it under the carpet.
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: It's good to see DB is at last supporting our MP, or is he jumping on the band wagon? Who does that remind me of?[/p][/quote]Actually Dave B has been arguing this case for years, long before our MP even entered the political arena, Our MP has no choice but to support Dave in this as it has become such a major issue for residents that she can no longer carry on brushing it under the carpet. iknowbetter
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1:49pm Wed 2 Jan 13

iknowbetter says...

MrFrogFace wrote:
Upset sorry to UPSET you but from my recollection Becca is jumping on his bandwagon after all DB has been on the local council for many years and been campaigning against building on green belt, drainage and about lack of infrastructure to our local County Councillors. Up until a few years years ago we'd never heard of her and many of us still do not know who or what she really does for us apart from stand in photographs and occasionally smile
You beat me to it, well said..
[quote][p][bold]MrFrogFace[/bold] wrote: Upset sorry to UPSET you but from my recollection Becca is jumping on his bandwagon after all DB has been on the local council for many years and been campaigning against building on green belt, drainage and about lack of infrastructure to our local County Councillors. Up until a few years years ago we'd never heard of her and many of us still do not know who or what she really does for us apart from stand in photographs and occasionally smile[/p][/quote]You beat me to it, well said.. iknowbetter
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2:34pm Wed 2 Jan 13

MrFrogFace says...

likewise :)
likewise :) MrFrogFace
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2:43pm Wed 2 Jan 13

upset says...

iknowbetter wrote:
MrFrogFace wrote:
Upset sorry to UPSET you but from my recollection Becca is jumping on his bandwagon after all DB has been on the local council for many years and been campaigning against building on green belt, drainage and about lack of infrastructure to our local County Councillors. Up until a few years years ago we'd never heard of her and many of us still do not know who or what she really does for us apart from stand in photographs and occasionally smile
You beat me to it, well said..
I know very well what you are saying and I agree, since BD set up CIIP all they have done is campaigned!!
When Labour were in power at CPDC, BD was deputy leader and the developers still built so whats different today?
My comment about the band wagon was due to the Echo's editorial
"This comes after Rebecca Harris, Tory MP for Castle Point lobbied the Government in the House of Commons to change planning laws requiring infrastructure to be in place before major developments are approved.
So who is wrong?
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrFrogFace[/bold] wrote: Upset sorry to UPSET you but from my recollection Becca is jumping on his bandwagon after all DB has been on the local council for many years and been campaigning against building on green belt, drainage and about lack of infrastructure to our local County Councillors. Up until a few years years ago we'd never heard of her and many of us still do not know who or what she really does for us apart from stand in photographs and occasionally smile[/p][/quote]You beat me to it, well said..[/p][/quote]I know very well what you are saying and I agree, since BD set up CIIP all they have done is campaigned!! When Labour were in power at CPDC, BD was deputy leader and the developers still built so whats different today? My comment about the band wagon was due to the Echo's editorial "This comes after Rebecca Harris, Tory MP for Castle Point lobbied the Government in the House of Commons to change planning laws requiring infrastructure to be in place before major developments are approved. So who is wrong? upset
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2:50pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Nebs says...

We need all these extra houses, and we need them quick. It is only a year until Romanians and Bulgarians will be allowed to live and work in the UK, and they are going to need houses.
We need all these extra houses, and we need them quick. It is only a year until Romanians and Bulgarians will be allowed to live and work in the UK, and they are going to need houses. Nebs
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3:26pm Wed 2 Jan 13

iknowbetter says...

upset wrote:
iknowbetter wrote:
MrFrogFace wrote:
Upset sorry to UPSET you but from my recollection Becca is jumping on his bandwagon after all DB has been on the local council for many years and been campaigning against building on green belt, drainage and about lack of infrastructure to our local County Councillors. Up until a few years years ago we'd never heard of her and many of us still do not know who or what she really does for us apart from stand in photographs and occasionally smile
You beat me to it, well said..
I know very well what you are saying and I agree, since BD set up CIIP all they have done is campaigned!!
When Labour were in power at CPDC, BD was deputy leader and the developers still built so whats different today?
My comment about the band wagon was due to the Echo's editorial
"This comes after Rebecca Harris, Tory MP for Castle Point lobbied the Government in the House of Commons to change planning laws requiring infrastructure to be in place before major developments are approved.
So who is wrong?
The difference Upset is that The tories are in favour of development, irrelevant of the residents concerns, and clearly have never taken into account the infrastructure until its to late and the fact that Dave has campaigned way before RH even came on to the local Political scene to ensure the infrastructure is in place before more houses are built. But of course as is the norm the people in power that can and should do something about it never have, All they have ever cared about is their political careers, and they have shown time and time again the residents of Canvey mean nothing. RH has only just lobbied the House of Commons but sadly as usual the horse has already bolted..to little to late..but then nothing will change until those in power do.
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrFrogFace[/bold] wrote: Upset sorry to UPSET you but from my recollection Becca is jumping on his bandwagon after all DB has been on the local council for many years and been campaigning against building on green belt, drainage and about lack of infrastructure to our local County Councillors. Up until a few years years ago we'd never heard of her and many of us still do not know who or what she really does for us apart from stand in photographs and occasionally smile[/p][/quote]You beat me to it, well said..[/p][/quote]I know very well what you are saying and I agree, since BD set up CIIP all they have done is campaigned!! When Labour were in power at CPDC, BD was deputy leader and the developers still built so whats different today? My comment about the band wagon was due to the Echo's editorial "This comes after Rebecca Harris, Tory MP for Castle Point lobbied the Government in the House of Commons to change planning laws requiring infrastructure to be in place before major developments are approved. So who is wrong?[/p][/quote]The difference Upset is that The tories are in favour of development, irrelevant of the residents concerns, and clearly have never taken into account the infrastructure until its to late and the fact that Dave has campaigned way before RH even came on to the local Political scene to ensure the infrastructure is in place before more houses are built. But of course as is the norm the people in power that can and should do something about it never have, All they have ever cared about is their political careers, and they have shown time and time again the residents of Canvey mean nothing. RH has only just lobbied the House of Commons but sadly as usual the horse has already bolted..to little to late..but then nothing will change until those in power do. iknowbetter
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3:54pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

I'm getting tired of reading about the roads that lead off Canvey Island, they've got two, where as for years they had the one.
When people moved to that place, they would have known about the roads, yet still they must moan.
I'm getting tired of reading about the roads that lead off Canvey Island, they've got two, where as for years they had the one. When people moved to that place, they would have known about the roads, yet still they must moan. Carnabackable
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3:59pm Wed 2 Jan 13

upset says...

iknowbetter wrote:
upset wrote:
iknowbetter wrote:
MrFrogFace wrote:
Upset sorry to UPSET you but from my recollection Becca is jumping on his bandwagon after all DB has been on the local council for many years and been campaigning against building on green belt, drainage and about lack of infrastructure to our local County Councillors. Up until a few years years ago we'd never heard of her and many of us still do not know who or what she really does for us apart from stand in photographs and occasionally smile
You beat me to it, well said..
I know very well what you are saying and I agree, since BD set up CIIP all they have done is campaigned!!
When Labour were in power at CPDC, BD was deputy leader and the developers still built so whats different today?
My comment about the band wagon was due to the Echo's editorial
"This comes after Rebecca Harris, Tory MP for Castle Point lobbied the Government in the House of Commons to change planning laws requiring infrastructure to be in place before major developments are approved.
So who is wrong?
The difference Upset is that The tories are in favour of development, irrelevant of the residents concerns, and clearly have never taken into account the infrastructure until its to late and the fact that Dave has campaigned way before RH even came on to the local Political scene to ensure the infrastructure is in place before more houses are built. But of course as is the norm the people in power that can and should do something about it never have, All they have ever cared about is their political careers, and they have shown time and time again the residents of Canvey mean nothing. RH has only just lobbied the House of Commons but sadly as usual the horse has already bolted..to little to late..but then nothing will change until those in power do.
The majority in Castle Point dont agree that's why DB & Co will only ever be able to complain and campaign, what a wasted vote, the only thing we get from the INDIES is a higher council tax.
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrFrogFace[/bold] wrote: Upset sorry to UPSET you but from my recollection Becca is jumping on his bandwagon after all DB has been on the local council for many years and been campaigning against building on green belt, drainage and about lack of infrastructure to our local County Councillors. Up until a few years years ago we'd never heard of her and many of us still do not know who or what she really does for us apart from stand in photographs and occasionally smile[/p][/quote]You beat me to it, well said..[/p][/quote]I know very well what you are saying and I agree, since BD set up CIIP all they have done is campaigned!! When Labour were in power at CPDC, BD was deputy leader and the developers still built so whats different today? My comment about the band wagon was due to the Echo's editorial "This comes after Rebecca Harris, Tory MP for Castle Point lobbied the Government in the House of Commons to change planning laws requiring infrastructure to be in place before major developments are approved. So who is wrong?[/p][/quote]The difference Upset is that The tories are in favour of development, irrelevant of the residents concerns, and clearly have never taken into account the infrastructure until its to late and the fact that Dave has campaigned way before RH even came on to the local Political scene to ensure the infrastructure is in place before more houses are built. But of course as is the norm the people in power that can and should do something about it never have, All they have ever cared about is their political careers, and they have shown time and time again the residents of Canvey mean nothing. RH has only just lobbied the House of Commons but sadly as usual the horse has already bolted..to little to late..but then nothing will change until those in power do.[/p][/quote]The majority in Castle Point dont agree that's why DB & Co will only ever be able to complain and campaign, what a wasted vote, the only thing we get from the INDIES is a higher council tax. upset
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4:51pm Wed 2 Jan 13

MrFrogFace says...

How do we get higher council tax with the 'INDIES'?
How is a vote for the 'INDIES' wasted when they complain and campaign and GET THINGS DONE !!
To me that's the whole idea of having a Councillor who will work for the people they represent.
I'd be interested to see how many campaigns and complaints the 'TORIES' have won on the mainland as from what I can see out of the area of Castle Point Canvey seems to be better off
How do we get higher council tax with the 'INDIES'? How is a vote for the 'INDIES' wasted when they complain and campaign and GET THINGS DONE !! To me that's the whole idea of having a Councillor who will work for the people they represent. I'd be interested to see how many campaigns and complaints the 'TORIES' have won on the mainland as from what I can see out of the area of Castle Point Canvey seems to be better off MrFrogFace
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5:02pm Wed 2 Jan 13

upset says...

Mr Frog come back from dream world, before the INDIES invented the Town council and conned 1500 people out of 40000 to vote for it the council tax went up for us on Canvey.
Give me a list of things the INDIES have actual achieved.
In your world did they not tell you the Tories are the ruling party they get things done as and when they want, please or a fend they just get it done, you end by saying who is better of but you dont actually name the lucky tax payers.
Mr Frog come back from dream world, before the INDIES invented the Town council and conned 1500 people out of 40000 to vote for it the council tax went up for us on Canvey. Give me a list of things the INDIES have actual achieved. In your world did they not tell you the Tories are the ruling party they get things done as and when they want, please or a fend they just get it done, you end by saying who is better of but you dont actually name the lucky tax payers. upset
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5:16pm Wed 2 Jan 13

MrFrogFace says...

oh your telling me you are griping about Canvey paying an extra £20 a year on their council tax to have a Town Council that puts on community events such as the more recent Christmas lights switch on that despite the weather 1000's still turned out.
And what did the the people of benfleet get for £20 a year less Ummmmmmmmm yeah NOTHING !!!
How many people voted for a cabinet system??? A system that pays Councillors that area already paid an even higher astronomical expense to do WHAT ! They don't listen to the public as 'IKnowBetter' has already said. If I was you I would add up the cost of having a useless cabinet system and nodding with their leader Councillors before you start on the town council
oh your telling me you are griping about Canvey paying an extra £20 a year on their council tax to have a Town Council that puts on community events such as the more recent Christmas lights switch on that despite the weather 1000's still turned out. And what did the the people of benfleet get for £20 a year less Ummmmmmmmm yeah NOTHING !!! How many people voted for a cabinet system??? A system that pays Councillors that area already paid an even higher astronomical expense to do WHAT ! They don't listen to the public as 'IKnowBetter' has already said. If I was you I would add up the cost of having a useless cabinet system and nodding with their leader Councillors before you start on the town council MrFrogFace
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5:58pm Wed 2 Jan 13

iknowbetter says...

Carnabackable wrote:
I'm getting tired of reading about the roads that lead off Canvey Island, they've got two, where as for years they had the one.
When people moved to that place, they would have known about the roads, yet still they must moan.
The simple answer is dont read it then. Incidently, the population on Canvey has grown by almost double over the past 20 years, you dont need a great deal of intelligence to work out how that effects the infrastructure.
**
Upset are you really claiming the Indies invented the Town Council? There have been Town Councils around the Country long before Canvey had its own.
Also those 1500 out of the 40,000 residents that voted was the majority of votes, how many came out and voted Tory? what ever the figure it was less then voted for the Indie party otherwise they would be in power would they not.
Happy new year by the way,
..
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: I'm getting tired of reading about the roads that lead off Canvey Island, they've got two, where as for years they had the one. When people moved to that place, they would have known about the roads, yet still they must moan.[/p][/quote]The simple answer is dont read it then. Incidently, the population on Canvey has grown by almost double over the past 20 years, you dont need a great deal of intelligence to work out how that effects the infrastructure. ** Upset are you really claiming the Indies invented the Town Council? There have been Town Councils around the Country long before Canvey had its own. Also those 1500 out of the 40,000 residents that voted was the majority of votes, how many came out and voted Tory? what ever the figure it was less then voted for the Indie party otherwise they would be in power would they not. Happy new year by the way, .. iknowbetter
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6:27pm Wed 2 Jan 13

upset says...

iknowbetter wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
I'm getting tired of reading about the roads that lead off Canvey Island, they've got two, where as for years they had the one.
When people moved to that place, they would have known about the roads, yet still they must moan.
The simple answer is dont read it then. Incidently, the population on Canvey has grown by almost double over the past 20 years, you dont need a great deal of intelligence to work out how that effects the infrastructure.
**
Upset are you really claiming the Indies invented the Town Council? There have been Town Councils around the Country long before Canvey had its own.
Also those 1500 out of the 40,000 residents that voted was the majority of votes, how many came out and voted Tory? what ever the figure it was less then voted for the Indie party otherwise they would be in power would they not.
Happy new year by the way,
..
The Indies did not invent the first TC but they invented ours as they will never control the BC.
As far as who voted them into office, the same goes for CP bye election so stop moaning about the Tories, if you agree with majority rules.
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: I'm getting tired of reading about the roads that lead off Canvey Island, they've got two, where as for years they had the one. When people moved to that place, they would have known about the roads, yet still they must moan.[/p][/quote]The simple answer is dont read it then. Incidently, the population on Canvey has grown by almost double over the past 20 years, you dont need a great deal of intelligence to work out how that effects the infrastructure. ** Upset are you really claiming the Indies invented the Town Council? There have been Town Councils around the Country long before Canvey had its own. Also those 1500 out of the 40,000 residents that voted was the majority of votes, how many came out and voted Tory? what ever the figure it was less then voted for the Indie party otherwise they would be in power would they not. Happy new year by the way, ..[/p][/quote]The Indies did not invent the first TC but they invented ours as they will never control the BC. As far as who voted them into office, the same goes for CP bye election so stop moaning about the Tories, if you agree with majority rules. upset
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6:35pm Wed 2 Jan 13

John T Pharro says...

upset wrote:
Mr Frog come back from dream world, before the INDIES invented the Town council and conned 1500 people out of 40000 to vote for it the council tax went up for us on Canvey.
Give me a list of things the INDIES have actual achieved.
In your world did they not tell you the Tories are the ruling party they get things done as and when they want, please or a fend they just get it done, you end by saying who is better of but you dont actually name the lucky tax payers.
Actually upset Colin MaClean (Conservative Chair) criticised the CIIP for not delivering a separate Council which he says the residents voted for. I agreed with him, however when I asked him in the "Echo" to meet up with Councillor Blackwell so that the residents could have what they voted for put forward I HAVE HEARD NOTHING!!
Now you tell me why? If Mr MaClean was so keen to see what the residents voted for, a separate Council, put in place why won't he say so? Or is it just another cheap political shot?
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: Mr Frog come back from dream world, before the INDIES invented the Town council and conned 1500 people out of 40000 to vote for it the council tax went up for us on Canvey. Give me a list of things the INDIES have actual achieved. In your world did they not tell you the Tories are the ruling party they get things done as and when they want, please or a fend they just get it done, you end by saying who is better of but you dont actually name the lucky tax payers.[/p][/quote]Actually upset Colin MaClean (Conservative Chair) criticised the CIIP for not delivering a separate Council which he says the residents voted for. I agreed with him, however when I asked him in the "Echo" to meet up with Councillor Blackwell so that the residents could have what they voted for put forward I HAVE HEARD NOTHING!! Now you tell me why? If Mr MaClean was so keen to see what the residents voted for, a separate Council, put in place why won't he say so? Or is it just another cheap political shot? John T Pharro
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6:40pm Wed 2 Jan 13

John T Pharro says...

upset wrote:
Mr Frog come back from dream world, before the INDIES invented the Town council and conned 1500 people out of 40000 to vote for it the council tax went up for us on Canvey.
Give me a list of things the INDIES have actual achieved.
In your world did they not tell you the Tories are the ruling party they get things done as and when they want, please or a fend they just get it done, you end by saying who is better of but you dont actually name the lucky tax payers.
Not a lot upset because the Tories refuse to support what the Canvey residents want and voted for.
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: Mr Frog come back from dream world, before the INDIES invented the Town council and conned 1500 people out of 40000 to vote for it the council tax went up for us on Canvey. Give me a list of things the INDIES have actual achieved. In your world did they not tell you the Tories are the ruling party they get things done as and when they want, please or a fend they just get it done, you end by saying who is better of but you dont actually name the lucky tax payers.[/p][/quote]Not a lot upset because the Tories refuse to support what the Canvey residents want and voted for. John T Pharro
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7:13pm Wed 2 Jan 13

upset says...

John T Pharro wrote:
upset wrote:
Mr Frog come back from dream world, before the INDIES invented the Town council and conned 1500 people out of 40000 to vote for it the council tax went up for us on Canvey.
Give me a list of things the INDIES have actual achieved.
In your world did they not tell you the Tories are the ruling party they get things done as and when they want, please or a fend they just get it done, you end by saying who is better of but you dont actually name the lucky tax payers.
Not a lot upset because the Tories refuse to support what the Canvey residents want and voted for.
Agreed!!
There's a surprise.
Because those who voted were not representative quota of those eligible to vote.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: Mr Frog come back from dream world, before the INDIES invented the Town council and conned 1500 people out of 40000 to vote for it the council tax went up for us on Canvey. Give me a list of things the INDIES have actual achieved. In your world did they not tell you the Tories are the ruling party they get things done as and when they want, please or a fend they just get it done, you end by saying who is better of but you dont actually name the lucky tax payers.[/p][/quote]Not a lot upset because the Tories refuse to support what the Canvey residents want and voted for.[/p][/quote]Agreed!! There's a surprise. Because those who voted were not representative quota of those eligible to vote. upset
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7:29pm Wed 2 Jan 13

John T Pharro says...

upset wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
upset wrote:
Mr Frog come back from dream world, before the INDIES invented the Town council and conned 1500 people out of 40000 to vote for it the council tax went up for us on Canvey.
Give me a list of things the INDIES have actual achieved.
In your world did they not tell you the Tories are the ruling party they get things done as and when they want, please or a fend they just get it done, you end by saying who is better of but you dont actually name the lucky tax payers.
Not a lot upset because the Tories refuse to support what the Canvey residents want and voted for.
Agreed!!
There's a surprise.
Because those who voted were not representative quota of those eligible to vote.
They never are because only those that vote count, and sadly they are in the minority. Fact is all, but one seat, were voted as CIIP, although 3 have since decided to leave the party. I think anyone that is elected for one party, but then decides to change/leave should stand down and be reflected. Said the same thing to Bob Spink when he left the Conservatives and became UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: Mr Frog come back from dream world, before the INDIES invented the Town council and conned 1500 people out of 40000 to vote for it the council tax went up for us on Canvey. Give me a list of things the INDIES have actual achieved. In your world did they not tell you the Tories are the ruling party they get things done as and when they want, please or a fend they just get it done, you end by saying who is better of but you dont actually name the lucky tax payers.[/p][/quote]Not a lot upset because the Tories refuse to support what the Canvey residents want and voted for.[/p][/quote]Agreed!! There's a surprise. Because those who voted were not representative quota of those eligible to vote.[/p][/quote]They never are because only those that vote count, and sadly they are in the minority. Fact is all, but one seat, were voted as CIIP, although 3 have since decided to leave the party. I think anyone that is elected for one party, but then decides to change/leave should stand down and be reflected. Said the same thing to Bob Spink when he left the Conservatives and became UKIP. John T Pharro
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7:53pm Wed 2 Jan 13

iknowbetter says...

upset wrote:
iknowbetter wrote:
Carnabackable wrote: I'm getting tired of reading about the roads that lead off Canvey Island, they've got two, where as for years they had the one. When people moved to that place, they would have known about the roads, yet still they must moan.
The simple answer is dont read it then. Incidently, the population on Canvey has grown by almost double over the past 20 years, you dont need a great deal of intelligence to work out how that effects the infrastructure. ** Upset are you really claiming the Indies invented the Town Council? There have been Town Councils around the Country long before Canvey had its own. Also those 1500 out of the 40,000 residents that voted was the majority of votes, how many came out and voted Tory? what ever the figure it was less then voted for the Indie party otherwise they would be in power would they not. Happy new year by the way, ..
The Indies did not invent the first TC but they invented ours as they will never control the BC. As far as who voted them into office, the same goes for CP bye election so stop moaning about the Tories, if you agree with majority rules.
Your not making any sense at all Upset, the CIIP invented Canvey Town Council?
So because the Tories won the majority and are in power, your saying people should not "moan" (some would say have an opinion), on how they are running the Council? Maybe you should take your own advice where the local Council is concerened or move to a Tory held area. You sound exactly like one or Two Tory councillors I could mention, dont do as we do, do as we say!!!
[quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: I'm getting tired of reading about the roads that lead off Canvey Island, they've got two, where as for years they had the one. When people moved to that place, they would have known about the roads, yet still they must moan.[/p][/quote]The simple answer is dont read it then. Incidently, the population on Canvey has grown by almost double over the past 20 years, you dont need a great deal of intelligence to work out how that effects the infrastructure. ** Upset are you really claiming the Indies invented the Town Council? There have been Town Councils around the Country long before Canvey had its own. Also those 1500 out of the 40,000 residents that voted was the majority of votes, how many came out and voted Tory? what ever the figure it was less then voted for the Indie party otherwise they would be in power would they not. Happy new year by the way, ..[/p][/quote]The Indies did not invent the first TC but they invented ours as they will never control the BC. As far as who voted them into office, the same goes for CP bye election so stop moaning about the Tories, if you agree with majority rules.[/p][/quote]Your not making any sense at all Upset, the CIIP invented Canvey Town Council? So because the Tories won the majority and are in power, your saying people should not "moan" (some would say have an opinion), on how they are running the Council? Maybe you should take your own advice where the local Council is concerened or move to a Tory held area. You sound exactly like one or Two Tory councillors I could mention, dont do as we do, do as we say!!! iknowbetter
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8:07pm Wed 2 Jan 13

upset says...

iknowbetter wrote:
upset wrote:
iknowbetter wrote:
Carnabackable wrote: I'm getting tired of reading about the roads that lead off Canvey Island, they've got two, where as for years they had the one. When people moved to that place, they would have known about the roads, yet still they must moan.
The simple answer is dont read it then. Incidently, the population on Canvey has grown by almost double over the past 20 years, you dont need a great deal of intelligence to work out how that effects the infrastructure. ** Upset are you really claiming the Indies invented the Town Council? There have been Town Councils around the Country long before Canvey had its own. Also those 1500 out of the 40,000 residents that voted was the majority of votes, how many came out and voted Tory? what ever the figure it was less then voted for the Indie party otherwise they would be in power would they not. Happy new year by the way, ..
The Indies did not invent the first TC but they invented ours as they will never control the BC. As far as who voted them into office, the same goes for CP bye election so stop moaning about the Tories, if you agree with majority rules.
Your not making any sense at all Upset, the CIIP invented Canvey Town Council?
So because the Tories won the majority and are in power, your saying people should not "moan" (some would say have an opinion), on how they are running the Council? Maybe you should take your own advice where the local Council is concerened or move to a Tory held area. You sound exactly like one or Two Tory councillors I could mention, dont do as we do, do as we say!!!
You have missed the point again, I do live in a Tory majority council area that keeps everything working & not a TC area that only manages to arrange a few events (how ever good they are).
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: I'm getting tired of reading about the roads that lead off Canvey Island, they've got two, where as for years they had the one. When people moved to that place, they would have known about the roads, yet still they must moan.[/p][/quote]The simple answer is dont read it then. Incidently, the population on Canvey has grown by almost double over the past 20 years, you dont need a great deal of intelligence to work out how that effects the infrastructure. ** Upset are you really claiming the Indies invented the Town Council? There have been Town Councils around the Country long before Canvey had its own. Also those 1500 out of the 40,000 residents that voted was the majority of votes, how many came out and voted Tory? what ever the figure it was less then voted for the Indie party otherwise they would be in power would they not. Happy new year by the way, ..[/p][/quote]The Indies did not invent the first TC but they invented ours as they will never control the BC. As far as who voted them into office, the same goes for CP bye election so stop moaning about the Tories, if you agree with majority rules.[/p][/quote]Your not making any sense at all Upset, the CIIP invented Canvey Town Council? So because the Tories won the majority and are in power, your saying people should not "moan" (some would say have an opinion), on how they are running the Council? Maybe you should take your own advice where the local Council is concerened or move to a Tory held area. You sound exactly like one or Two Tory councillors I could mention, dont do as we do, do as we say!!![/p][/quote]You have missed the point again, I do live in a Tory majority council area that keeps everything working & not a TC area that only manages to arrange a few events (how ever good they are). upset
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8:36pm Wed 2 Jan 13

iknowbetter says...

How could I have missed your point, you have claimed CIIP invented Town Councils, I corrected you and you then admitted you were wrong and went on to claim Canvey Town Council was invented by the CIIP, I merely stated your not making any sense.(as per normal).
You moan more then most Upset usually about Canvey Town Council because it is run by a party that is headed by someone you have serious personal issues with, rather then admit the fact they have and are continuing to acheive, against the odds, a community feel as well as voiced residents concerns in Council and highlighted on numerous occassions the incompitance's of aTory Lead Borough Council.
**
Again you moan about paying higher taxes then many other area's but still continue to live there.
I dont condone you for supporting the Tories, indeed I commend your staunch support for a Party that has no consideration for its residents other then to acheive gain for their individual political carreers.
How could I have missed your point, you have claimed CIIP invented Town Councils, I corrected you and you then admitted you were wrong and went on to claim Canvey Town Council was invented by the CIIP, I merely stated your not making any sense.(as per normal). You moan more then most Upset usually about Canvey Town Council because it is run by a party that is headed by someone you have serious personal issues with, rather then admit the fact they have and are continuing to acheive, against the odds, a community feel as well as voiced residents concerns in Council and highlighted on numerous occassions the incompitance's of aTory Lead Borough Council. ** Again you moan about paying higher taxes then many other area's but still continue to live there. I dont condone you for supporting the Tories, indeed I commend your staunch support for a Party that has no consideration for its residents other then to acheive gain for their individual political carreers. iknowbetter
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8:40pm Wed 2 Jan 13

iknowbetter says...

And you talkk about wasted votes!!!
And you talkk about wasted votes!!! iknowbetter
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8:46pm Wed 2 Jan 13

iknowbetter says...

P.S you mention you live in a Tory run Council area that keep things working, Does an increase in serious crime over the past 3 years constitute keeping things working, or the many cuts in Council services, or the loss of a full time fire crew. Just exactly what do you mena by keeping things working. And please save us all from the "It was all the previous Governments fault" speach...
P.S you mention you live in a Tory run Council area that keep things working, Does an increase in serious crime over the past 3 years constitute keeping things working, or the many cuts in Council services, or the loss of a full time fire crew. Just exactly what do you mena by keeping things working. And please save us all from the "It was all the previous Governments fault" speach... iknowbetter
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8:47pm Wed 2 Jan 13

iknowbetter says...

Forgot to mention the increase in major developement! and the decimation of open spaces. The list goes on..
Forgot to mention the increase in major developement! and the decimation of open spaces. The list goes on.. iknowbetter
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8:02am Thu 3 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

For things to get better, they have to be worse than they are now, you have to suffer, to enjoy future improvements, be grateful, and attempt to see the bigger picture......
For things to get better, they have to be worse than they are now, you have to suffer, to enjoy future improvements, be grateful, and attempt to see the bigger picture...... Carnabackable
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9:28am Thu 3 Jan 13

Whatthe* says...

John T Pharro wrote:
This article may concentrate on the roads issue, but it also about the whole infrastructure such as drainage and sewers. Our MP and Councillor Blackwell are singing from the same hymn sheet here I hope. The problem with all of Castle Point is it cannot cope with more properties with the current infrastructure. The problem for Canvey is plans have been approved for 700 properties and no account has been taken if the infrastructure which cannot cope now. Burning999 do you seriously believe that the over 700 properties because they are being built on Canvey won't affect Benfleet at all? They will only add to the present road congestion everywhere in the Borough. Put on too what is planned, but opposed by Castle Point in Benfleet which most probably will get approved on appeal and the floodgates will be opened. Both our MP. And Councillors of all parties should support this no build without the infrastructure.
well said
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: This article may concentrate on the roads issue, but it also about the whole infrastructure such as drainage and sewers. Our MP and Councillor Blackwell are singing from the same hymn sheet here I hope. The problem with all of Castle Point is it cannot cope with more properties with the current infrastructure. The problem for Canvey is plans have been approved for 700 properties and no account has been taken if the infrastructure which cannot cope now. Burning999 do you seriously believe that the over 700 properties because they are being built on Canvey won't affect Benfleet at all? They will only add to the present road congestion everywhere in the Borough. Put on too what is planned, but opposed by Castle Point in Benfleet which most probably will get approved on appeal and the floodgates will be opened. Both our MP. And Councillors of all parties should support this no build without the infrastructure.[/p][/quote]well said Whatthe*
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7:12pm Thu 3 Jan 13

upset says...

Whatthe* wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
This article may concentrate on the roads issue, but it also about the whole infrastructure such as drainage and sewers. Our MP and Councillor Blackwell are singing from the same hymn sheet here I hope. The problem with all of Castle Point is it cannot cope with more properties with the current infrastructure. The problem for Canvey is plans have been approved for 700 properties and no account has been taken if the infrastructure which cannot cope now. Burning999 do you seriously believe that the over 700 properties because they are being built on Canvey won't affect Benfleet at all? They will only add to the present road congestion everywhere in the Borough. Put on too what is planned, but opposed by Castle Point in Benfleet which most probably will get approved on appeal and the floodgates will be opened. Both our MP. And Councillors of all parties should support this no build without the infrastructure.
well said
HERE HERE John
[quote][p][bold]Whatthe*[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: This article may concentrate on the roads issue, but it also about the whole infrastructure such as drainage and sewers. Our MP and Councillor Blackwell are singing from the same hymn sheet here I hope. The problem with all of Castle Point is it cannot cope with more properties with the current infrastructure. The problem for Canvey is plans have been approved for 700 properties and no account has been taken if the infrastructure which cannot cope now. Burning999 do you seriously believe that the over 700 properties because they are being built on Canvey won't affect Benfleet at all? They will only add to the present road congestion everywhere in the Borough. Put on too what is planned, but opposed by Castle Point in Benfleet which most probably will get approved on appeal and the floodgates will be opened. Both our MP. And Councillors of all parties should support this no build without the infrastructure.[/p][/quote]well said[/p][/quote]HERE HERE John upset
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10:08am Fri 4 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

Oh well I hear the cranes, diggers,haulage lorries and bridging equipment are being stored on the ferry road for a few weeks, so lights it is, to get onto Canvey Island.
TIME TO QUEUE............
Oh well I hear the cranes, diggers,haulage lorries and bridging equipment are being stored on the ferry road for a few weeks, so lights it is, to get onto Canvey Island. TIME TO QUEUE............ Carnabackable
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