Speed bumps for rat run road (From Echo)

Russ13 wrote:
"Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!!

It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway?

If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Barry Bas wrote:
It's Saint and Greavsie isn't it?

Nebs wrote:
I never even knew that you could get through that way. Just checked it out on google maps and it looks to be a great way to miss the lights at the A127 and Bridgewater Drive. Thanks Echo, I will use it in future.

Nebs wrote:
I never even knew that you could get through that way. Just checked it out on google maps and it looks to be a great way to miss the lights at the A127 and Bridgewater Drive. Thanks Echo, I will use it in future.

eddicaine wrote:
I use this road every day coming from Dulverton Avenue and have never driven down a hill yet. NEARLY 1 in 5 breach the speed limit, says who?? the residents?. An accident involving a young girl is reported but no facts to the cause of the accident reported. This is a public road to be used by all and sundry not just the locals

Russ13 wrote:
"Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote:
"Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right...

'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so

'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so

The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

Test Tickle wrote:
“Cars really get a lot of speed up coming down the hill.”

What hill? Broomfield avenue is virtually flat, is this guy for real.

Is it speeding that is the problem or it's use as a Rat run, if speeding is the problem then put up speed cameras, after all is that not what they are for?, no need to waste money with speed humps which just serve to annoy drivers and cause damage to the underside of lower cars, not to mention do nothing to slow down motorcycles!

As for the term Rat run, well I was always lead to believe a road was used to get from point A to point B, or are we only meant to travel along main roads now?, no of course we are not.

To sum up...waste of time and money as usual!!!!!

leighman wrote:

Barry Bas wrote:
It's Saint and Greavsie isn't it?

More like Cox and Evans of Vic Reeves fame!

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote:
"Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right...

'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so

'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so

The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so"

How so? This is not a toll road.

John T Pharro wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote:
"Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right...

'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so

'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so

The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so"

How so? This is not a toll road.

By paying road tax which entitles them to use the road. Cyclist can use it as well and they pay nothing

John T Pharro wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote:
"Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right...

'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so

'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so

The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so"

How so? This is not a toll road.

By paying road tax which entitles them to use the road. Cyclist can use it as well and they pay nothing

southend_Dave wrote:
I live in a street with soeed bumps and have no issues with lorries making the house shake ?!!?!?

They work and I have no issues with them in my street.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote:
"Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right...

'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so

'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so

The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so"

How so? This is not a toll road.

By paying road tax which entitles them to use the road. Cyclist can use it as well and they pay nothing

Police cars, ambulances, fire engines, electric vehicles, very low emission vehicles, and every vehicle registered before january 1st 1973 don't pay for tax discs either.

There is no such thing as 'road tax'.'Road tax' was abolished in 1937. We pay VEHICLE Excise Duty, or car tax, which is a tax on engine size or CO2 emissions. It has precisely nothing to do with any 'right' to be on the road. No-one in the entire UK pays to use the roads, except on a few toll roads and bridges/tunnels.

Roads, cycle lanes, and pavements are paid for through council tax, income tax and every other tax that goes into the central government pot, all of which are also paid by cyclists. Plus 88% of cyclists also drive, so they pay all the same taxes as everyone else. There is only ONE hypothecated tax in the UK: the television licence. Every other tax goes into the central pot and is distributed as the exchequer sees fit.

Roads are free for anyone to use, that's why they are called the PUBLIC Highway. In fact pedestrians, horse riders, and cyclists have an automatic right to use roads. People in motor vehicles do not have an automatic right, they have to be licensed to say they are competent to safely operate a motor vehicle on the public highway.

John T Pharro wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote:
"Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right...

'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so

'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so

The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so"

How so? This is not a toll road.

By paying road tax which entitles them to use the road. Cyclist can use it as well and they pay nothing

Police cars, ambulances, fire engines, electric vehicles, very low emission vehicles, and every vehicle registered before january 1st 1973 don't pay for tax discs either.

There is no such thing as 'road tax'.'Road tax' was abolished in 1937. We pay VEHICLE Excise Duty, or car tax, which is a tax on engine size or CO2 emissions. It has precisely nothing to do with any 'right' to be on the road. No-one in the entire UK pays to use the roads, except on a few toll roads and bridges/tunnels.

Roads, cycle lanes, and pavements are paid for through council tax, income tax and every other tax that goes into the central government pot, all of which are also paid by cyclists. Plus 88% of cyclists also drive, so they pay all the same taxes as everyone else. There is only ONE hypothecated tax in the UK: the television licence. Every other tax goes into the central pot and is distributed as the exchequer sees fit.

Roads are free for anyone to use, that's why they are called the PUBLIC Highway. In fact pedestrians, horse riders, and cyclists have an automatic right to use roads. People in motor vehicles do not have an automatic right, they have to be licensed to say they are competent to safely operate a motor vehicle on the public highway.

Yes, but other than what you state are exempt cars/lorries/vans have to pay a vehicle excise duty and have to,display a disc to enable them to use the road. Don't be so pedantic lots of people call it road tax. Cyclist pay no excise duty or any form of charge to use the road do they? Before you climb onto your bike I am not advocating they should. Would prefer that cyclist don't cycle on the pavement, ignore red lights and displayed lights. Just for the record I ride a cycle as well.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote:
"Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right...

'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so

'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so

The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so"

How so? This is not a toll road.

By paying road tax which entitles them to use the road. Cyclist can use it as well and they pay nothing

Police cars, ambulances, fire engines, electric vehicles, very low emission vehicles, and every vehicle registered before january 1st 1973 don't pay for tax discs either.

There is no such thing as 'road tax'.'Road tax' was abolished in 1937. We pay VEHICLE Excise Duty, or car tax, which is a tax on engine size or CO2 emissions. It has precisely nothing to do with any 'right' to be on the road. No-one in the entire UK pays to use the roads, except on a few toll roads and bridges/tunnels.

Roads, cycle lanes, and pavements are paid for through council tax, income tax and every other tax that goes into the central government pot, all of which are also paid by cyclists. Plus 88% of cyclists also drive, so they pay all the same taxes as everyone else. There is only ONE hypothecated tax in the UK: the television licence. Every other tax goes into the central pot and is distributed as the exchequer sees fit.

Roads are free for anyone to use, that's why they are called the PUBLIC Highway. In fact pedestrians, horse riders, and cyclists have an automatic right to use roads. People in motor vehicles do not have an automatic right, they have to be licensed to say they are competent to safely operate a motor vehicle on the public highway.

Yes, but other than what you state are exempt cars/lorries/vans have to pay a vehicle excise duty and have to,display a disc to enable them to use the road. Don't be so pedantic lots of people call it road tax. Cyclist pay no excise duty or any form of charge to use the road do they? Before you climb onto your bike I am not advocating they should. Would prefer that cyclist don't cycle on the pavement, ignore red lights and displayed lights. Just for the record I ride a cycle as well.

Roads are free for anyone to use. No-one in the UK - including all motorists - pays to use the roads with the exception of a couple of toll roads/bridges/tunnel

s.

Ed in wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote:
"Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right...

'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so

'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so

The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so"

How so? This is not a toll road.

By paying road tax which entitles them to use the road. Cyclist can use it as well and they pay nothing

Police cars, ambulances, fire engines, electric vehicles, very low emission vehicles, and every vehicle registered before january 1st 1973 don't pay for tax discs either.

There is no such thing as 'road tax'.'Road tax' was abolished in 1937. We pay VEHICLE Excise Duty, or car tax, which is a tax on engine size or CO2 emissions. It has precisely nothing to do with any 'right' to be on the road. No-one in the entire UK pays to use the roads, except on a few toll roads and bridges/tunnels.

Roads, cycle lanes, and pavements are paid for through council tax, income tax and every other tax that goes into the central government pot, all of which are also paid by cyclists. Plus 88% of cyclists also drive, so they pay all the same taxes as everyone else. There is only ONE hypothecated tax in the UK: the television licence. Every other tax goes into the central pot and is distributed as the exchequer sees fit.

Roads are free for anyone to use, that's why they are called the PUBLIC Highway. In fact pedestrians, horse riders, and cyclists have an automatic right to use roads. People in motor vehicles do not have an automatic right, they have to be licensed to say they are competent to safely operate a motor vehicle on the public highway.

Yes, but other than what you state are exempt cars/lorries/vans have to pay a vehicle excise duty and have to,display a disc to enable them to use the road. Don't be so pedantic lots of people call it road tax. Cyclist pay no excise duty or any form of charge to use the road do they? Before you climb onto your bike I am not advocating they should. Would prefer that cyclist don't cycle on the pavement, ignore red lights and displayed lights. Just for the record I ride a cycle as well.

Roads are free for anyone to use. No-one in the UK - including all motorists - pays to use the roads with the exception of a couple of toll roads/bridges/tunnel


s.

Is that right, so how comes it cost nothing to keep my car on my driveway, but I have to pay for a tax disc to use it on the road, it does cost to use my car on the road so therefore it is not free.
And as such I have every right to call it a Road Tax, because that’s exactly what it is, no matter how you want to dress it up.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote: "Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right... 'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so 'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so" How so? This is not a toll road.

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote: "Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right... 'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so 'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so" How so? This is not a toll road.

I was assuming those using this road had paid vehicle excise duty, which is a pre-requisite of using the roads ????

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote: "Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right... 'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so 'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so" How so? This is not a toll road.

I was assuming those using this road had paid vehicle excise duty, which is a pre-requisite of using the roads ????

Vehicle Excise Duty is a tax for polluting, not for using roads. It is required to use a car, it is not required to use roads. That's why all these can use roads without having to buy VED:

Pedestrians.
Horse riders,
Cyclists,
Milk floats,
Disabled drivers,
Tractors,
Police vehicles,
Ambulances,
Fire engines,
Military vehicles,
Road gritters,
Snow ploughs,
Zero emission vehicles,
Very low emission vehicles,
And all vehicles registered before Jan 1st 1973.

Oh, and the Queen's limo.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote: "Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right... 'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so 'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so" How so? This is not a toll road.

I was assuming those using this road had paid vehicle excise duty, which is a pre-requisite of using the roads ????

Vehicle Excise Duty is a tax for polluting, not for using roads. It is required to use a car, it is not required to use roads. That's why all these can use roads without having to buy VED: Pedestrians. Horse riders, Cyclists, Milk floats, Disabled drivers, Tractors, Police vehicles, Ambulances, Fire engines, Military vehicles, Road gritters, Snow ploughs, Zero emission vehicles, Very low emission vehicles, And all vehicles registered before Jan 1st 1973. Oh, and the Queen's limo.

Ed in wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote: "Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right... 'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so 'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so" How so? This is not a toll road.

I was assuming those using this road had paid vehicle excise duty, which is a pre-requisite of using the roads ????

Vehicle Excise Duty is a tax for polluting, not for using roads. It is required to use a car, it is not required to use roads. That's why all these can use roads without having to buy VED:

Pedestrians.
Horse riders,
Cyclists,
Milk floats,
Disabled drivers,
Tractors,
Police vehicles,
Ambulances,
Fire engines,
Military vehicles,
Road gritters,
Snow ploughs,
Zero emission vehicles,
Very low emission vehicles,
And all vehicles registered before Jan 1st 1973.

Oh, and the Queen's limo.

Really, half of your list causes pollution, and I can use a vehicle which would cause pollution on private land without having to pay "road tax". So it is for the use of the road.

Ed in wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote: "Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right... 'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so 'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so" How so? This is not a toll road.

I was assuming those using this road had paid vehicle excise duty, which is a pre-requisite of using the roads ????

Vehicle Excise Duty is a tax for polluting, not for using roads. It is required to use a car, it is not required to use roads. That's why all these can use roads without having to buy VED:

Pedestrians.
Horse riders,
Cyclists,
Milk floats,
Disabled drivers,
Tractors,
Police vehicles,
Ambulances,
Fire engines,
Military vehicles,
Road gritters,
Snow ploughs,
Zero emission vehicles,
Very low emission vehicles,
And all vehicles registered before Jan 1st 1973.

Oh, and the Queen's limo.

Really, half of your list causes pollution, and I can use a vehicle which would cause pollution on private land without having to pay "road tax". So it is for the use of the road.

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote: "Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right... 'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so 'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so" How so? This is not a toll road.

I was assuming those using this road had paid vehicle excise duty, which is a pre-requisite of using the roads ????

Vehicle Excise Duty is a tax for polluting, not for using roads. It is required to use a car, it is not required to use roads. That's why all these can use roads without having to buy VED: Pedestrians. Horse riders, Cyclists, Milk floats, Disabled drivers, Tractors, Police vehicles, Ambulances, Fire engines, Military vehicles, Road gritters, Snow ploughs, Zero emission vehicles, Very low emission vehicles, And all vehicles registered before Jan 1st 1973. Oh, and the Queen's limo.

All very interesting, but so what ? The original point was that anyone has a right to drive down this particular road regardless if they are called 'crafty' or 'rat runners' ..... likewise does it really matter whether you call it 'tax' or 'VED' since you will have a job convincing the courts you don't need it either way. In actual fact, lawfully you don't, so long as you can absolve your contract with HM government and declare yourself a 'freeman' !

John T Pharro wrote:

Ed in wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote: "Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right... 'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so 'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so" How so? This is not a toll road.

I was assuming those using this road had paid vehicle excise duty, which is a pre-requisite of using the roads ????

Vehicle Excise Duty is a tax for polluting, not for using roads. It is required to use a car, it is not required to use roads. That's why all these can use roads without having to buy VED:

Pedestrians.
Horse riders,
Cyclists,
Milk floats,
Disabled drivers,
Tractors,
Police vehicles,
Ambulances,
Fire engines,
Military vehicles,
Road gritters,
Snow ploughs,
Zero emission vehicles,
Very low emission vehicles,
And all vehicles registered before Jan 1st 1973.

Oh, and the Queen's limo.

Really, half of your list causes pollution, and I can use a vehicle which would cause pollution on private land without having to pay "road tax". So it is for the use of the road.

Well said Ed in. As you probably noticed from post similar to yours like mine, this Shoebury Cyclist is never wrong even when he is. Bet he's a bundle of laughs to have a drink with.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote: "Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right... 'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so 'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so" How so? This is not a toll road.

I was assuming those using this road had paid vehicle excise duty, which is a pre-requisite of using the roads ????

Vehicle Excise Duty is a tax for polluting, not for using roads. It is required to use a car, it is not required to use roads. That's why all these can use roads without having to buy VED: Pedestrians. Horse riders, Cyclists, Milk floats, Disabled drivers, Tractors, Police vehicles, Ambulances, Fire engines, Military vehicles, Road gritters, Snow ploughs, Zero emission vehicles, Very low emission vehicles, And all vehicles registered before Jan 1st 1973. Oh, and the Queen's limo.

All very interesting, but so what ? The original point was that anyone has a right to drive down this particular road regardless if they are called 'crafty' or 'rat runners' ..... likewise does it really matter whether you call it 'tax' or 'VED' since you will have a job convincing the courts you don't need it either way. In actual fact, lawfully you don't, so long as you can absolve your contract with HM government and declare yourself a 'freeman' !

It was a response to the previous comment about drivers 'paying to use the road' when in fact they don't.

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote: "Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right... 'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so 'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so" How so? This is not a toll road.

I was assuming those using this road had paid vehicle excise duty, which is a pre-requisite of using the roads ????

Vehicle Excise Duty is a tax for polluting, not for using roads. It is required to use a car, it is not required to use roads. That's why all these can use roads without having to buy VED: Pedestrians. Horse riders, Cyclists, Milk floats, Disabled drivers, Tractors, Police vehicles, Ambulances, Fire engines, Military vehicles, Road gritters, Snow ploughs, Zero emission vehicles, Very low emission vehicles, And all vehicles registered before Jan 1st 1973. Oh, and the Queen's limo.

All very interesting, but so what ? The original point was that anyone has a right to drive down this particular road regardless if they are called 'crafty' or 'rat runners' ..... likewise does it really matter whether you call it 'tax' or 'VED' since you will have a job convincing the courts you don't need it either way. In actual fact, lawfully you don't, so long as you can absolve your contract with HM government and declare yourself a 'freeman' !

It was a response to the previous comment about drivers 'paying to use the road' when in fact they don't.

Well that's nonsense.... people pay to use the road, regardless of trivial points about what you call it, and the fact that VED is based on emissions, to most people is totally irrelavent.... The government prefer to avoid the word 'tax' whenever they can, but it's tax to use the road as far as i'm concerned.

Alekhine wrote:
I have to agree with pembury53. I could leave a car running on my driveway pumping out pollution and not pay any VED. It is not a tax on pollution as the car is not purposely designed to pollute. It is designed to use the road, any pollution is incidental.

We have a road use tax graded by vehicle emissions. However such a tax is calculated or applied (number of hedgehogs runover maybe?), it will always be a tax on road use (not roadkill).

notinwestcliffanymor
e wrote:
Is a tv licence too own a tv or to watch it? does internet tv count, if i have a tv in my loft but not plug in does it require hypothecated tax to be paid how about if i declare my tv SORN, how about if i watch tv in my car whilst sitting on my drive untaxed. Again is it the signal or the hardware that is taxable.

asbo. just the truth wrote:
the residents will regret it. speed bumps are noisy, dustcarts and skip lorries make your house shake when the roll over them and the boyracers typically don't slow down to go over them unless they're the ferocious variety like those in pall mall which still scrape the underside of your car at 10 mph.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Alekhine wrote: I have to agree with pembury53. I could leave a car running on my driveway pumping out pollution and not pay any VED. It is not a tax on pollution as the car is not purposely designed to pollute. It is designed to use the road, any pollution is incidental. We have a road use tax graded by vehicle emissions. However such a tax is calculated or applied (number of hedgehogs runover maybe?), it will always be a tax on road use (not roadkill).

It is not a tax on road use. If it was EVERYONE would have to pay it whether they owned a car or not.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

Ed in wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote: "Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right... 'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so 'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so" How so? This is not a toll road.

I was assuming those using this road had paid vehicle excise duty, which is a pre-requisite of using the roads ????

Vehicle Excise Duty is a tax for polluting, not for using roads. It is required to use a car, it is not required to use roads. That's why all these can use roads without having to buy VED:

Pedestrians.
Horse riders,
Cyclists,
Milk floats,
Disabled drivers,
Tractors,
Police vehicles,
Ambulances,
Fire engines,
Military vehicles,
Road gritters,
Snow ploughs,
Zero emission vehicles,
Very low emission vehicles,
And all vehicles registered before Jan 1st 1973.

Oh, and the Queen's limo.

Really, half of your list causes pollution, and I can use a vehicle which would cause pollution on private land without having to pay "road tax". So it is for the use of the road.

Well said Ed in. As you probably noticed from post similar to yours like mine, this Shoebury Cyclist is never wrong even when he is. Bet he's a bundle of laughs to have a drink with.

If you are too thck to comprehend there is no such thing as 'road tax', and that there hasn't been any such thing as 'road tax' for 75 years, that's your problem.

Roads are paid for through general taxation: council tax, income tax, VAT, VED, tobacco duty, alcohol duty, it all goes into a central pot and is then allocated as required. There is only one hypothecated (look it up in a dictionary) tax in Britain, the TV licence.

Broadwaywatch wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

Ed in wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote: "Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right... 'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so 'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so" How so? This is not a toll road.

I was assuming those using this road had paid vehicle excise duty, which is a pre-requisite of using the roads ????

Vehicle Excise Duty is a tax for polluting, not for using roads. It is required to use a car, it is not required to use roads. That's why all these can use roads without having to buy VED:

Pedestrians.
Horse riders,
Cyclists,
Milk floats,
Disabled drivers,
Tractors,
Police vehicles,
Ambulances,
Fire engines,
Military vehicles,
Road gritters,
Snow ploughs,
Zero emission vehicles,
Very low emission vehicles,
And all vehicles registered before Jan 1st 1973.

Oh, and the Queen's limo.

Really, half of your list causes pollution, and I can use a vehicle which would cause pollution on private land without having to pay "road tax". So it is for the use of the road.

Well said Ed in. As you probably noticed from post similar to yours like mine, this Shoebury Cyclist is never wrong even when he is. Bet he's a bundle of laughs to have a drink with.

If you are too thck to comprehend there is no such thing as 'road tax', and that there hasn't been any such thing as 'road tax' for 75 years, that's your problem.

Roads are paid for through general taxation: council tax, income tax, VAT, VED, tobacco duty, alcohol duty, it all goes into a central pot and is then allocated as required. There is only one hypothecated (look it up in a dictionary) tax in Britain, the TV licence.

who rang his bell. Give it a rest please. You have made your point. Go for a ride and cool down

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Broadwaywatch wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

Ed in wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote: "Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right... 'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so 'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so" How so? This is not a toll road.

I was assuming those using this road had paid vehicle excise duty, which is a pre-requisite of using the roads ????

Vehicle Excise Duty is a tax for polluting, not for using roads. It is required to use a car, it is not required to use roads. That's why all these can use roads without having to buy VED:

Pedestrians.
Horse riders,
Cyclists,
Milk floats,
Disabled drivers,
Tractors,
Police vehicles,
Ambulances,
Fire engines,
Military vehicles,
Road gritters,
Snow ploughs,
Zero emission vehicles,
Very low emission vehicles,
And all vehicles registered before Jan 1st 1973.

Oh, and the Queen's limo.

Really, half of your list causes pollution, and I can use a vehicle which would cause pollution on private land without having to pay "road tax". So it is for the use of the road.

Well said Ed in. As you probably noticed from post similar to yours like mine, this Shoebury Cyclist is never wrong even when he is. Bet he's a bundle of laughs to have a drink with.

If you are too thck to comprehend there is no such thing as 'road tax', and that there hasn't been any such thing as 'road tax' for 75 years, that's your problem.

Roads are paid for through general taxation: council tax, income tax, VAT, VED, tobacco duty, alcohol duty, it all goes into a central pot and is then allocated as required. There is only one hypothecated (look it up in a dictionary) tax in Britain, the TV licence.

who rang his bell. Give it a rest please. You have made your point. Go for a ride and cool down

Clearly the point is not getting home. Or I wouldn't have to keep repeating myself.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Broadwaywatch wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

Ed in wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote: "Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right... 'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so 'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so" How so? This is not a toll road.

I was assuming those using this road had paid vehicle excise duty, which is a pre-requisite of using the roads ????

Vehicle Excise Duty is a tax for polluting, not for using roads. It is required to use a car, it is not required to use roads. That's why all these can use roads without having to buy VED: Pedestrians. Horse riders, Cyclists, Milk floats, Disabled drivers, Tractors, Police vehicles, Ambulances, Fire engines, Military vehicles, Road gritters, Snow ploughs, Zero emission vehicles, Very low emission vehicles, And all vehicles registered before Jan 1st 1973. Oh, and the Queen's limo.

Really, half of your list causes pollution, and I can use a vehicle which would cause pollution on private land without having to pay "road tax". So it is for the use of the road.

Well said Ed in. As you probably noticed from post similar to yours like mine, this Shoebury Cyclist is never wrong even when he is. Bet he's a bundle of laughs to have a drink with.

If you are too thck to comprehend there is no such thing as 'road tax', and that there hasn't been any such thing as 'road tax' for 75 years, that's your problem. Roads are paid for through general taxation: council tax, income tax, VAT, VED, tobacco duty, alcohol duty, it all goes into a central pot and is then allocated as required. There is only one hypothecated (look it up in a dictionary) tax in Britain, the TV licence.

who rang his bell. Give it a rest please. You have made your point. Go for a ride and cool down

Clearly the point is not getting home. Or I wouldn't have to keep repeating myself.

J_blond wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Broadwaywatch wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

Ed in wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

pembury53 wrote:

Russ13 wrote: "Crafty motorists"..... Seriously!!! It is a ROAD, provided you've paid your VED, insurance, have a valid license and MOT why the hell shouldn't you be able to use any part of the public highway? If some motorists are exceeding the advertised speed limit then that needs to be dealt with but the residents have no right whatsoever to discourage people from using it!

Absolutely right... 'crafty motorist' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so 'rat run' = normal use of the queens highway by people who have paid to do so The real 'crafty' one's here are those trying to get effective private residential road status by whinning on about safety. Scrub lane in Hadleigh and Tattersal Gardens etc are classic examples of the same.....

"by people who have paid to do so" How so? This is not a toll road.

I was assuming those using this road had paid vehicle excise duty, which is a pre-requisite of using the roads ????

Vehicle Excise Duty is a tax for polluting, not for using roads. It is required to use a car, it is not required to use roads. That's why all these can use roads without having to buy VED: Pedestrians. Horse riders, Cyclists, Milk floats, Disabled drivers, Tractors, Police vehicles, Ambulances, Fire engines, Military vehicles, Road gritters, Snow ploughs, Zero emission vehicles, Very low emission vehicles, And all vehicles registered before Jan 1st 1973. Oh, and the Queen's limo.

Really, half of your list causes pollution, and I can use a vehicle which would cause pollution on private land without having to pay "road tax". So it is for the use of the road.

Well said Ed in. As you probably noticed from post similar to yours like mine, this Shoebury Cyclist is never wrong even when he is. Bet he's a bundle of laughs to have a drink with.

If you are too thck to comprehend there is no such thing as 'road tax', and that there hasn't been any such thing as 'road tax' for 75 years, that's your problem. Roads are paid for through general taxation: council tax, income tax, VAT, VED, tobacco duty, alcohol duty, it all goes into a central pot and is then allocated as required. There is only one hypothecated (look it up in a dictionary) tax in Britain, the TV licence.

who rang his bell. Give it a rest please. You have made your point. Go for a ride and cool down

Clearly the point is not getting home. Or I wouldn't have to keep repeating myself.

Why do you have to? Ok so people call it road tax, so what? Is it a big deal? Let them believe what they want - why do you want to change everyone's opinions? They're entitled to their own, right or wrong

Usually when I see someone say something I think is wrong, I leave it. Why do you have to go on and on repeating it!

Anyway to the post that started this - I do pay to use the roads, I pay council tax.

psorias wrote:
Goodness. What a lot of feeling over what people call that tax thingy. But is it cheaper to buy it if your car is off the road, than it is, if your going to be driving your car?

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

psorias wrote:
Goodness. What a lot of feeling over what people call that tax thingy. But is it cheaper to buy it if your car is off the road, than it is, if your going to be driving your car?

If you are not using your car, then it is not polluting. You therefore pay a few pounds for a SORN.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
That's the Daily Mail, inaccurate and scaremongering as ever. For starters they talk about a non-existent tax. They clearly have not done any research. The truth is driving in the UK is heavily subsidised to the tune of billions of pounds. It's time drivers paid the full cost of their choice of transport. At the moment drivers don't pay anywhere near the actual cost to society of motoring: http://m.guardian.co .uk/world/2012/dec/2 5/car-pollution-nois e-accidents-eu

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Gosh, how miserable the world must have been before the 50s car boom. Imagine having to support your local shops instead of driving a 60 mile round trip to spend money outside your local community. Must have been hell on Earth.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Gosh, how miserable the world must have been before the 50s car boom. Imagine having to support your local shops instead of driving a 60 mile round trip to spend money outside your local community. Must have been hell on Earth.

J_blond wrote:
You see to me, the best alternative to the current car is the hydrogen fuelled car, some of which are beginning to be developed by the larger car makers. Hyundai are launching a hydrogen powered car, and Ford are working on a program to produce a hydrogen fuelled engine.

It gives the range of a standard petrol / Diesel, without the pollution. That is the future of transport. It won't replace the petrol driven vehicles straight away, but electric will never replace them!

John T Pharro wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Gosh, how miserable the world must have been before the 50s car boom. Imagine having to support your local shops instead of driving a 60 mile round trip to spend money outside your local community. Must have been hell on Earth.

I'm surprised you have a computer or pad. Think of all the added CO2 you are putting the atmosphere using yours as well as the hot air you generate adding to global warming.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Gosh, how miserable the world must have been before the 50s car boom. Imagine having to support your local shops instead of driving a 60 mile round trip to spend money outside your local community. Must have been hell on Earth.

I'm surprised you have a computer or pad. Think of all the added CO2 you are putting the atmosphere using yours as well as the hot air you generate adding to global warming.

You can always tell when a person on this website has lost the argument, because they switch to attacking the person they disagree with.