Woman's £167 fine for seven seconds of stopping car

Echo: Woman slapped with £167 fine by Southend Council spy car after pulling over for seven seconds Woman slapped with £167 fine by Southend Council spy car after pulling over for seven seconds

A daughter says she will fight all the way to court after she was slapped with a fine for stopping her car for SEVEN seconds.

Susan Hatton pulled over at the end of a bus stop in Eastwood Road North, Leigh, to let her 84-year-old father, Ken, out.

Southend Council’s spy car spotted her and slapped her with a £35 ticket including two pictures of her dropping her dad off - one with the passenger door open taken at 11.21am and 38 seconds and by 11.21am and 45 seconds he was completely out of the car.

Mrs Hatton, 61, said: “My father was 84 at the time and six weeks later he was in hospital with pneumonia. He has emphysema in both lungs and he can’t walk that far. I thought why get a blue badge as he only goes up the road.

“I didn’t even get out the car.”

The fine came through the post stating she had been watched for one minute pulling over in the bus stop.

Mrs Hatton, who lives in Leigh, appealed but it was rejected and bailiffs instructed to chase her for the bill which has now spiralled to £167.

She says she will take the case to court if she has to.

She said: “£167 for all of ten seconds or less.

“We are talking about a few seconds and I wasn’t parked I’d stopped to let him out. I’d like to go to court, I want to have my say. It doesn’t seem at all fair that it can go on for a year and I haven’t been taken to court.

“It must have cost them a fortune to do this.”

Derek Kenyon, Southend Council’s parking manager, said the council had rejected the challenge.

He said: “However – as with all our correspondence- when we sent our response we also included details of the next stage of the process, if the objector wished to take the matter further.

“The latest communications we have sent to the resident also give information about the procedure. If the resident wishes to continue with her challenge we would strongly advise the follow the steps given in the details provided.”

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10:39am Tue 8 Jan 13

troopdogg says...

Pay up. You broke the parking regulations which are there to help ease congestion and to allow buses to get into the bus stops quickly and safely.
Pay up. You broke the parking regulations which are there to help ease congestion and to allow buses to get into the bus stops quickly and safely. troopdogg
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10:48am Tue 8 Jan 13

Sir Peter Pantsless the 3rd says...

Derek Kenyan do you have an any common sense, or even a functioning braincell?
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I'm guessing you must be a product of the Anna Waite droid army legacy.
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You must have been assimilated!
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You have no doubt had your EPROM reprogrammed with the SBC Tory ethos of 'revenue at all costs'.
Derek Kenyan do you have an any common sense, or even a functioning braincell? . I'm guessing you must be a product of the Anna Waite droid army legacy. . You must have been assimilated! . You have no doubt had your EPROM reprogrammed with the SBC Tory ethos of 'revenue at all costs'. Sir Peter Pantsless the 3rd
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11:13am Tue 8 Jan 13

english_cj says...

I'm all for upholding parking regulations in the interest of safety and reducing congestion, but in situations like this common sense needs to be applied otherwise the public lose confidence in the system.
I'm all for upholding parking regulations in the interest of safety and reducing congestion, but in situations like this common sense needs to be applied otherwise the public lose confidence in the system. english_cj
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11:30am Tue 8 Jan 13

Nebs says...

english_cj wrote:
I'm all for upholding parking regulations in the interest of safety and reducing congestion, but in situations like this common sense needs to be applied otherwise the public lose confidence in the system.
Common sense would mean getting a blue badge. She made the conscious decision not to get one, then broke the law, then complains when she was caught. If she gets away with this then the rest of the driving public, who obey the law, will lose faith in the system.
[quote][p][bold]english_cj[/bold] wrote: I'm all for upholding parking regulations in the interest of safety and reducing congestion, but in situations like this common sense needs to be applied otherwise the public lose confidence in the system.[/p][/quote]Common sense would mean getting a blue badge. She made the conscious decision not to get one, then broke the law, then complains when she was caught. If she gets away with this then the rest of the driving public, who obey the law, will lose faith in the system. Nebs
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11:30am Tue 8 Jan 13

Test Tickle says...

I think in this instance a warning would have been more than sufficient , discretion and common sense is the key.
I think in this instance a warning would have been more than sufficient , discretion and common sense is the key. Test Tickle
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11:32am Tue 8 Jan 13

davedobbin says...

If there was a single broad yellow line alongside the bus stop then she should not have stopped there even for 7 seconds unless she was driving a bus.
If there was a single broad yellow line alongside the bus stop then she should not have stopped there even for 7 seconds unless she was driving a bus. davedobbin
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11:32am Tue 8 Jan 13

colsmith says...

english_cj wrote:
I'm all for upholding parking regulations in the interest of safety and reducing congestion, but in situations like this common sense needs to be applied otherwise the public lose confidence in the system.
Glad you mentioned it and I agree with you. The words "common sense" and anything similar related to the local Authority are severely misplaced. The Council insults our intelligence by ignoring the fact that most rate payers with more than half a brain cell are quite aware that it is greed coupled with extremely poor management be the motivating factors behind the Council's "operation" to acquire as much money as possible utilising any method they are able. All Councils are "run" by people usually berift of any ability to think other than an automaton. They are in office a short period and what the ratepayer thinks is almost totally irrelevant. Do not pay the amount Mrs. Hatton under any circumstances and do not be detered by the threat of bailiffs.....Stand up to the morons and the best of luck.
[quote][p][bold]english_cj[/bold] wrote: I'm all for upholding parking regulations in the interest of safety and reducing congestion, but in situations like this common sense needs to be applied otherwise the public lose confidence in the system.[/p][/quote]Glad you mentioned it and I agree with you. The words "common sense" and anything similar related to the local Authority are severely misplaced. The Council insults our intelligence by ignoring the fact that most rate payers with more than half a brain cell are quite aware that it is greed coupled with extremely poor management be the motivating factors behind the Council's "operation" to acquire as much money as possible utilising any method they are able. All Councils are "run" by people usually berift of any ability to think other than an automaton. They are in office a short period and what the ratepayer thinks is almost totally irrelevant. Do not pay the amount Mrs. Hatton under any circumstances and do not be detered by the threat of bailiffs.....Stand up to the morons and the best of luck. colsmith
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11:42am Tue 8 Jan 13

Rouge9 says...

Keep appealing, while it is in the process of appeal, baliffs cannot be employed, and for the Trolls who say "you broke the law" I trust you are whiter than white when parking/stopping for a few seconds to let a passenger out ?
Keep appealing, while it is in the process of appeal, baliffs cannot be employed, and for the Trolls who say "you broke the law" I trust you are whiter than white when parking/stopping for a few seconds to let a passenger out ? Rouge9
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2:29pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Alan Jacobs says...

These Spy camera cars are out of hand and just there to raise revenue.
the situation is so bad in billericay now that i have fitted my numberplates with velcro.
When i take my mum up the high street i quickly whip em off and put em back on around the corner.
If a Cuntstable of the law pulls me over I would feign ignorance and say theyv'e been nicked..............
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These Spy camera cars are out of hand and just there to raise revenue. the situation is so bad in billericay now that i have fitted my numberplates with velcro. When i take my mum up the high street i quickly whip em off and put em back on around the corner. If a Cuntstable of the law pulls me over I would feign ignorance and say theyv'e been nicked.............. . Alan Jacobs
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2:32pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Alan Jacobs says...

Rouge9 wrote:
Keep appealing, while it is in the process of appeal, baliffs cannot be employed, and for the Trolls who say "you broke the law" I trust you are whiter than white when parking/stopping for a few seconds to let a passenger out ?
of course they are , they never speed either or drop litter..............
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[quote][p][bold]Rouge9[/bold] wrote: Keep appealing, while it is in the process of appeal, baliffs cannot be employed, and for the Trolls who say "you broke the law" I trust you are whiter than white when parking/stopping for a few seconds to let a passenger out ?[/p][/quote]of course they are , they never speed either or drop litter.............. ..... Alan Jacobs
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2:47pm Tue 8 Jan 13

volunteer driver says...

The appeal panel in the case of Gould v Shepway Council ruked that it is pemissable to stop to pick up or drop off an eldery disabled or minor which includes taking them to or from a place of safety The costs that Derek Kenyon incurrs the Council by apeals must cost thousands of pounds He could quite easily be made redunant
The appeal panel in the case of Gould v Shepway Council ruked that it is pemissable to stop to pick up or drop off an eldery disabled or minor which includes taking them to or from a place of safety The costs that Derek Kenyon incurrs the Council by apeals must cost thousands of pounds He could quite easily be made redunant volunteer driver
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3:19pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Displeased of Shoebury says...

WORDS JUST FAIL ME WITH THIS COUNCIL

Southend Parking Manager what is that? Tea boy in a suite
WORDS JUST FAIL ME WITH THIS COUNCIL Southend Parking Manager what is that? Tea boy in a suite Displeased of Shoebury
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3:44pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Cockle says...

volunteer driver wrote:
The appeal panel in the case of Gould v Shepway Council ruked that it is pemissable to stop to pick up or drop off an eldery disabled or minor which includes taking them to or from a place of safety The costs that Derek Kenyon incurrs the Council by apeals must cost thousands of pounds He could quite easily be made redunant
Perfectly correct with regard to single or double yellows however Highway code Rule 243 states that you cannot STOP or park at a bus stop, tram stop or taxi rank. Had Mrs Hatton stopped a few yards away on the double yellows then she would have a defence, as you state, sadly, for her she didn't and STOPPED in the bus stop marked with a wide solid yellow line and has therefore fallen foul of Rule 243.
Incidentally, having a blue badge is also not a defence against contravention of Rule 243, although some seem to think it is a licence to park anywhere at any time.......
[quote][p][bold]volunteer driver[/bold] wrote: The appeal panel in the case of Gould v Shepway Council ruked that it is pemissable to stop to pick up or drop off an eldery disabled or minor which includes taking them to or from a place of safety The costs that Derek Kenyon incurrs the Council by apeals must cost thousands of pounds He could quite easily be made redunant[/p][/quote]Perfectly correct with regard to single or double yellows however Highway code Rule 243 states that you cannot STOP or park at a bus stop, tram stop or taxi rank. Had Mrs Hatton stopped a few yards away on the double yellows then she would have a defence, as you state, sadly, for her she didn't and STOPPED in the bus stop marked with a wide solid yellow line and has therefore fallen foul of Rule 243. Incidentally, having a blue badge is also not a defence against contravention of Rule 243, although some seem to think it is a licence to park anywhere at any time....... Cockle
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3:55pm Tue 8 Jan 13

DogsMessInLeigh says...

A few seconds...? wow that ill old boy can get in and out of that car swiftly..!!!
its not worth fighting, she was in the wrong should have took it on the chin and coughed up the £30 fine and think not to park in/use the bus stop again, guess that sneaky spy car must of already been there seeing as we are talking seconds, she should have looked around first to see if the coast was clear then she may have seen it, the amount has escalated and could go further...the £30 seems a small amount now, also i thought they filmed longer than that before the issue tickets., funnily enough the other day it was raining and the spy car had a victim in its sights....but the lens must of been covered in water, so the little chap got out really fast and cleaned the lens and jumped back in before the victim escaped....he did move fast too.
A few seconds...? wow that ill old boy can get in and out of that car swiftly..!!! its not worth fighting, she was in the wrong should have took it on the chin and coughed up the £30 fine and think not to park in/use the bus stop again, guess that sneaky spy car must of already been there seeing as we are talking seconds, she should have looked around first to see if the coast was clear then she may have seen it, the amount has escalated and could go further...the £30 seems a small amount now, also i thought they filmed longer than that before the issue tickets., funnily enough the other day it was raining and the spy car had a victim in its sights....but the lens must of been covered in water, so the little chap got out really fast and cleaned the lens and jumped back in before the victim escaped....he did move fast too. DogsMessInLeigh
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4:11pm Tue 8 Jan 13

AndyBSG says...

So when does it become unacceptable to break the rules regarding stopping at Bus Stops?

We're saying she should be let off because it was only 7 seconds, what if it was 14 seconds or 10 seconds or a minute?

By that logic if I go up to a stranger in the street am I allowed to punch them in the face and get away with it but if I punch them 2 times or maybe 5 times then I should be prosecuted?

The law is the law and if you break it you run the risk of getting caught.
So when does it become unacceptable to break the rules regarding stopping at Bus Stops? We're saying she should be let off because it was only 7 seconds, what if it was 14 seconds or 10 seconds or a minute? By that logic if I go up to a stranger in the street am I allowed to punch them in the face and get away with it but if I punch them 2 times or maybe 5 times then I should be prosecuted? The law is the law and if you break it you run the risk of getting caught. AndyBSG
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4:19pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Keptquiettillnow says...

Sometimes you get away with things, sometimes you get caught if you play that game.
You got caught Ms Hatton, pay up.
Sometimes you get away with things, sometimes you get caught if you play that game. You got caught Ms Hatton, pay up. Keptquiettillnow
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4:41pm Tue 8 Jan 13

maywood says...

Its just a case of "Go out and catch as many as possible",we all know its a cash cow,and to those of you makeing comments regarding should not have stoped there,no doubt you have never done anything wrong,no doubt compassion should have prevailed here,surely the spy car driver was able to see the man get out of the car and was not able to walk,I had a similar thing happen to me sitting in the car waiting just for another driver to pull away just seconds to take a parking space, spy camera got me,,I made an appeal and won.
Its just a case of "Go out and catch as many as possible",we all know its a cash cow,and to those of you makeing comments regarding should not have stoped there,no doubt you have never done anything wrong,no doubt compassion should have prevailed here,surely the spy car driver was able to see the man get out of the car and was not able to walk,I had a similar thing happen to me sitting in the car waiting just for another driver to pull away just seconds to take a parking space, spy camera got me,,I made an appeal and won. maywood
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4:43pm Tue 8 Jan 13

J_blond says...

Alan Jacobs wrote:
These Spy camera cars are out of hand and just there to raise revenue. the situation is so bad in billericay now that i have fitted my numberplates with velcro. When i take my mum up the high street i quickly whip em off and put em back on around the corner. If a Cuntstable of the law pulls me over I would feign ignorance and say theyv'e been nicked.............. .
I think when they see the velcro attached to your car they'll have something to say - for a start they won't let you drive it away, as it won't be displaying a numberplate. They'll either impound it, or let you make arrangements, but I doubt they'll leave you.

If you're caught driving without numberplates that's even worse, the car will be deemed unroadworthy and will be impounded, and you'll face points and a fine...
[quote][p][bold]Alan Jacobs[/bold] wrote: These Spy camera cars are out of hand and just there to raise revenue. the situation is so bad in billericay now that i have fitted my numberplates with velcro. When i take my mum up the high street i quickly whip em off and put em back on around the corner. If a Cuntstable of the law pulls me over I would feign ignorance and say theyv'e been nicked.............. .[/p][/quote]I think when they see the velcro attached to your car they'll have something to say - for a start they won't let you drive it away, as it won't be displaying a numberplate. They'll either impound it, or let you make arrangements, but I doubt they'll leave you. If you're caught driving without numberplates that's even worse, the car will be deemed unroadworthy and will be impounded, and you'll face points and a fine... J_blond
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4:44pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Overthegate says...

Pay up then fight your case or the fine will get huge
Pay up then fight your case or the fine will get huge Overthegate
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4:55pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Play-Off Pete says...

In such circumstances - generally speaking - is it best to pay first; then appeal???
Does this work in your favour?
In such circumstances - generally speaking - is it best to pay first; then appeal??? Does this work in your favour? Play-Off Pete
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4:55pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

Pay up, and shut up......
Pay up, and shut up...... Carnabackable
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5:07pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Rouge9 says...

Play-Off Pete wrote:
In such circumstances - generally speaking - is it best to pay first; then appeal??? Does this work in your favour?
No, because by paying you are accepting the guilty verdict/fine
[quote][p][bold]Play-Off Pete[/bold] wrote: In such circumstances - generally speaking - is it best to pay first; then appeal??? Does this work in your favour?[/p][/quote]No, because by paying you are accepting the guilty verdict/fine Rouge9
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6:50pm Tue 8 Jan 13

BIRLIS says...

Rouge9 wrote:
Keep appealing, while it is in the process of appeal, baliffs cannot be employed, and for the Trolls who say "you broke the law" I trust you are whiter than white when parking/stopping for a few seconds to let a passenger out ?
No, but if you break the law you take it on the chin if you get caught, not cry to the paper.

You make a decision to chance parking illegally, speed, whatever for your own reasons. You know the risks if you get caught.
[quote][p][bold]Rouge9[/bold] wrote: Keep appealing, while it is in the process of appeal, baliffs cannot be employed, and for the Trolls who say "you broke the law" I trust you are whiter than white when parking/stopping for a few seconds to let a passenger out ?[/p][/quote]No, but if you break the law you take it on the chin if you get caught, not cry to the paper. You make a decision to chance parking illegally, speed, whatever for your own reasons. You know the risks if you get caught. BIRLIS
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7:29pm Tue 8 Jan 13

tippy2001 says...

I dont care what anybody says but I got a parking ticket that I didn't know I had until I had a hand delivered bailiffs letter so I appealed & it got declined & I didn't hear nothing until a 2nd hand delivered bailiffs letter was on my doorstep for nearly £500 so I called them back just to get prove that there was actually a parking ticket i got a rude & arrogant lady on the phone saying i can't do nothing about it now as my appeal had been declined & all i wanted was prove of the ticket she said i would have to wait till they could send it out to me but i told them if im not receiving my post then im not going to receive it eventually she agreed for me to pick it up from behind the reception desk in the civic centre & guess what the traffic warden issued the ticket illegally him self & to be honest if there was a ticket on the car when i got back to the car i would of paid it but there wasn't & how can you pay something when you dont know you owe it
I dont care what anybody says but I got a parking ticket that I didn't know I had until I had a hand delivered bailiffs letter so I appealed & it got declined & I didn't hear nothing until a 2nd hand delivered bailiffs letter was on my doorstep for nearly £500 so I called them back just to get prove that there was actually a parking ticket i got a rude & arrogant lady on the phone saying i can't do nothing about it now as my appeal had been declined & all i wanted was prove of the ticket she said i would have to wait till they could send it out to me but i told them if im not receiving my post then im not going to receive it eventually she agreed for me to pick it up from behind the reception desk in the civic centre & guess what the traffic warden issued the ticket illegally him self & to be honest if there was a ticket on the car when i got back to the car i would of paid it but there wasn't & how can you pay something when you dont know you owe it tippy2001
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8:00pm Tue 8 Jan 13

jolllyboy says...

Get a blue badge - however dont count on it being enough with money grabbig councils. How could they observe for a minute without being seen along that road.
Get a blue badge - however dont count on it being enough with money grabbig councils. How could they observe for a minute without being seen along that road. jolllyboy
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8:49pm Tue 8 Jan 13

DogsMessInLeigh says...

maywood wrote:
Its just a case of "Go out and catch as many as possible",we all know its a cash cow,and to those of you makeing comments regarding should not have stoped there,no doubt you have never done anything wrong,no doubt compassion should have prevailed here,surely the spy car driver was able to see the man get out of the car and was not able to walk,I had a similar thing happen to me sitting in the car waiting just for another driver to pull away just seconds to take a parking space, spy camera got me,,I made an appeal and won.
Yes maybe some of us do stop where we shouldn't...but the differance is i wouldn't cry about it if i did get a ticket, just face up be a man and cough up the fine..
[quote][p][bold]maywood[/bold] wrote: Its just a case of "Go out and catch as many as possible",we all know its a cash cow,and to those of you makeing comments regarding should not have stoped there,no doubt you have never done anything wrong,no doubt compassion should have prevailed here,surely the spy car driver was able to see the man get out of the car and was not able to walk,I had a similar thing happen to me sitting in the car waiting just for another driver to pull away just seconds to take a parking space, spy camera got me,,I made an appeal and won.[/p][/quote]Yes maybe some of us do stop where we shouldn't...but the differance is i wouldn't cry about it if i did get a ticket, just face up be a man and cough up the fine.. DogsMessInLeigh
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10:55pm Tue 8 Jan 13

Kentish Alex says...

SBC are nothing more than fatcat uncaring bullies. Time for a pro motorist candidate to get voted in and knock some humanity into them.
SBC are nothing more than fatcat uncaring bullies. Time for a pro motorist candidate to get voted in and knock some humanity into them. Kentish Alex
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11:27pm Tue 8 Jan 13

woolstone says...

Don't you just get fed up with Big Brother watching you too much technology not enough good old fashioned common sense.
Don't you just get fed up with Big Brother watching you too much technology not enough good old fashioned common sense. woolstone
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3:10am Wed 9 Jan 13

WhateverS says...

english_cj wrote:
I'm all for upholding parking regulations in the interest of safety and reducing congestion, but in situations like this common sense needs to be applied otherwise the public lose confidence in the system.
In your view we can all brake the law just because it suit us.
You muppet!!!
[quote][p][bold]english_cj[/bold] wrote: I'm all for upholding parking regulations in the interest of safety and reducing congestion, but in situations like this common sense needs to be applied otherwise the public lose confidence in the system.[/p][/quote]In your view we can all brake the law just because it suit us. You muppet!!! WhateverS
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3:14am Wed 9 Jan 13

WhateverS says...

Cockle wrote:
volunteer driver wrote:
The appeal panel in the case of Gould v Shepway Council ruked that it is pemissable to stop to pick up or drop off an eldery disabled or minor which includes taking them to or from a place of safety The costs that Derek Kenyon incurrs the Council by apeals must cost thousands of pounds He could quite easily be made redunant
Perfectly correct with regard to single or double yellows however Highway code Rule 243 states that you cannot STOP or park at a bus stop, tram stop or taxi rank. Had Mrs Hatton stopped a few yards away on the double yellows then she would have a defence, as you state, sadly, for her she didn't and STOPPED in the bus stop marked with a wide solid yellow line and has therefore fallen foul of Rule 243.
Incidentally, having a blue badge is also not a defence against contravention of Rule 243, although some seem to think it is a licence to park anywhere at any time.......
Hear hear!!!!
She WILL lose with costs against her
[quote][p][bold]Cockle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]volunteer driver[/bold] wrote: The appeal panel in the case of Gould v Shepway Council ruked that it is pemissable to stop to pick up or drop off an eldery disabled or minor which includes taking them to or from a place of safety The costs that Derek Kenyon incurrs the Council by apeals must cost thousands of pounds He could quite easily be made redunant[/p][/quote]Perfectly correct with regard to single or double yellows however Highway code Rule 243 states that you cannot STOP or park at a bus stop, tram stop or taxi rank. Had Mrs Hatton stopped a few yards away on the double yellows then she would have a defence, as you state, sadly, for her she didn't and STOPPED in the bus stop marked with a wide solid yellow line and has therefore fallen foul of Rule 243. Incidentally, having a blue badge is also not a defence against contravention of Rule 243, although some seem to think it is a licence to park anywhere at any time.......[/p][/quote]Hear hear!!!! She WILL lose with costs against her WhateverS
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5:27am Wed 9 Jan 13

Brunning999 says...

WhateverS wrote:
Cockle wrote:
volunteer driver wrote:
The appeal panel in the case of Gould v Shepway Council ruked that it is pemissable to stop to pick up or drop off an eldery disabled or minor which includes taking them to or from a place of safety The costs that Derek Kenyon incurrs the Council by apeals must cost thousands of pounds He could quite easily be made redunant
Perfectly correct with regard to single or double yellows however Highway code Rule 243 states that you cannot STOP or park at a bus stop, tram stop or taxi rank. Had Mrs Hatton stopped a few yards away on the double yellows then she would have a defence, as you state, sadly, for her she didn't and STOPPED in the bus stop marked with a wide solid yellow line and has therefore fallen foul of Rule 243.
Incidentally, having a blue badge is also not a defence against contravention of Rule 243, although some seem to think it is a licence to park anywhere at any time.......
Hear hear!!!!
She WILL lose with costs against her
A very good return comment.
[quote][p][bold]WhateverS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]volunteer driver[/bold] wrote: The appeal panel in the case of Gould v Shepway Council ruked that it is pemissable to stop to pick up or drop off an eldery disabled or minor which includes taking them to or from a place of safety The costs that Derek Kenyon incurrs the Council by apeals must cost thousands of pounds He could quite easily be made redunant[/p][/quote]Perfectly correct with regard to single or double yellows however Highway code Rule 243 states that you cannot STOP or park at a bus stop, tram stop or taxi rank. Had Mrs Hatton stopped a few yards away on the double yellows then she would have a defence, as you state, sadly, for her she didn't and STOPPED in the bus stop marked with a wide solid yellow line and has therefore fallen foul of Rule 243. Incidentally, having a blue badge is also not a defence against contravention of Rule 243, although some seem to think it is a licence to park anywhere at any time.......[/p][/quote]Hear hear!!!! She WILL lose with costs against her[/p][/quote]A very good return comment. Brunning999
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9:41am Wed 9 Jan 13

ChampKind says...

Haven't read all the comments but I believe stopping in a bus stop is a complete no no, so she should just admit her error and pay up before her bill, and stress levels, get out of control.
Haven't read all the comments but I believe stopping in a bus stop is a complete no no, so she should just admit her error and pay up before her bill, and stress levels, get out of control. ChampKind
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12:35pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

The fine has now doubled.....you parked illegally NOW YOU MUST PAY THE PRICE..
The fine has now doubled.....you parked illegally NOW YOU MUST PAY THE PRICE.. Carnabackable
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1:29pm Wed 9 Jan 13

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Well she was clamped as the amount has risen to £695 see todays Echo, BUT the clamp was removed...mysterious
ly.....spooky.
Well she was clamped as the amount has risen to £695 see todays Echo, BUT the clamp was removed...mysterious ly.....spooky. DogsMessInLeigh
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1:49pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Devils Advocate says...

I'm pleased to see so many people in favour of upholding the law, whatever the problem.

This at least will mean the end of people verbally (or worse) assaulting our poor old parking officers when they return to their car and find them writing a ticket.

Also remember, the traffic officers would be breaking the law if they had started writing your ticket and then stopped because you appealed to them. So nobody here will be trying that on? Remember, the officer will get dismissed if he is caught giving favour to a law-breaker.

Perhaps, in the light of this new understanding, a few more of you will try for this job with the council?
I'm pleased to see so many people in favour of upholding the law, whatever the problem. This at least will mean the end of people verbally (or worse) assaulting our poor old parking officers when they return to their car and find them writing a ticket. Also remember, the traffic officers would be breaking the law if they had started writing your ticket and then stopped because you appealed to them. So nobody here will be trying that on? Remember, the officer will get dismissed if he is caught giving favour to a law-breaker. Perhaps, in the light of this new understanding, a few more of you will try for this job with the council? Devils Advocate
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2:13pm Wed 9 Jan 13

r6keith says...

Did anybody see the program about parking and camera cars last night (Tuesday) about 10.30. I agree with principles and whats right and wrong but when it got as far a one chap had allowed chasing his ideas in the high court it was going to cost him his home.
Like above you might not be happy about this ticket but laws are laws you should have bitten the bullet and paid. Sorry.
Did anybody see the program about parking and camera cars last night (Tuesday) about 10.30. I agree with principles and whats right and wrong but when it got as far a one chap had allowed chasing his ideas in the high court it was going to cost him his home. Like above you might not be happy about this ticket but laws are laws you should have bitten the bullet and paid. Sorry. r6keith
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3:29pm Wed 9 Jan 13

drofmor1 says...

reminds me of the woman in the shoebury launderette years ago. We were all sitting waiting for our washing to finish and a man came in and asked if the owner of the car parked right on the corner was in there as it was about to be booked. A woman got up and went out and as she did so declared "you would think they'd have better things to do with their time!!" Yes dear ....like booking illegally parked cars!! Fair enough complain if its a genuine gripe but stopping where you are not allowed (and you also know that fact) is a gamble,even for a few seconds and does not always pay off.
reminds me of the woman in the shoebury launderette years ago. We were all sitting waiting for our washing to finish and a man came in and asked if the owner of the car parked right on the corner was in there as it was about to be booked. A woman got up and went out and as she did so declared "you would think they'd have better things to do with their time!!" Yes dear ....like booking illegally parked cars!! Fair enough complain if its a genuine gripe but stopping where you are not allowed (and you also know that fact) is a gamble,even for a few seconds and does not always pay off. drofmor1
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5:24pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Nebs says...

Kentish Alex wrote:
SBC are nothing more than fatcat uncaring bullies. Time for a pro motorist candidate to get voted in and knock some humanity into them.
Why don't you stand. See how many votes you get. A lot of motorists are fed up with the small minority that think the law doesn't apply to them. If you get voted in then make it free parking everywhere and get rid of all parking restrictions and let people park anywhere they like, then watch the town grind to a halt.
[quote][p][bold]Kentish Alex[/bold] wrote: SBC are nothing more than fatcat uncaring bullies. Time for a pro motorist candidate to get voted in and knock some humanity into them.[/p][/quote]Why don't you stand. See how many votes you get. A lot of motorists are fed up with the small minority that think the law doesn't apply to them. If you get voted in then make it free parking everywhere and get rid of all parking restrictions and let people park anywhere they like, then watch the town grind to a halt. Nebs
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5:59pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Sir Peter Pantsless the 3rd wrote:
Derek Kenyan do you have an any common sense, or even a functioning braincell?
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I'm guessing you must be a product of the Anna Waite droid army legacy.
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You must have been assimilated!
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You have no doubt had your EPROM reprogrammed with the SBC Tory ethos of 'revenue at all costs'.
But it's only taking revenue from those ignorant drivers who think they're above the law.

That's all good with me.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Peter Pantsless the 3rd[/bold] wrote: Derek Kenyan do you have an any common sense, or even a functioning braincell? . I'm guessing you must be a product of the Anna Waite droid army legacy. . You must have been assimilated! . You have no doubt had your EPROM reprogrammed with the SBC Tory ethos of 'revenue at all costs'.[/p][/quote]But it's only taking revenue from those ignorant drivers who think they're above the law. That's all good with me. Shoebury_Cyclist
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6:50pm Wed 9 Jan 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Set down and pick up on double yellow lines = legal
Set down and pick up on broad yellow line = illegal
Pay up, shut up
Set down and pick up on double yellow lines = legal Set down and pick up on broad yellow line = illegal Pay up, shut up stopmoaning1
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6:55pm Wed 9 Jan 13

paulatepc says...

The fine sits well with one for assault.....

http://www.horncastl
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I thought we were supposed to be a compassionate society.
The fine sits well with one for assault..... http://www.horncastl enews.co.uk/news/cri me/tattershall-man-f ined-after-assault-1 -4613310 I thought we were supposed to be a compassionate society. paulatepc
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6:58pm Wed 9 Jan 13

paulatepc says...

davedobbin wrote:
If there was a single broad yellow line alongside the bus stop then she should not have stopped there even for 7 seconds unless she was driving a bus.
--and yet in Wickford there is a bus stop actually on the zebra crossing zig zag lines!!!

Lesson - even the rule makes break the rules sometimes...
[quote][p][bold]davedobbin[/bold] wrote: If there was a single broad yellow line alongside the bus stop then she should not have stopped there even for 7 seconds unless she was driving a bus.[/p][/quote]--and yet in Wickford there is a bus stop actually on the zebra crossing zig zag lines!!! Lesson - even the rule makes break the rules sometimes... paulatepc
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7:03pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Likesalist says...

I recently broke down on a busy roundabout during morning rush hour, luckily my husband was nearby and drove to me. There was a bus stop very close so he stopped his car at the front of it (plenty of room for 2 buses to pull in behind him) and we pushed my broken down car off the roundabout and into the bus stop (still room for 1 if not 2 buses to pull in). We raised the bonnet of my car and phoned the breakdown service. during that time the CCTV car drove past and got two pictures of both of our cars (mine with the bonnet up) and both of us standing with the cars- yet we each received fines through the post. I paid them but I will be appealing them- had I have left the car on the roundabout where it lost all power and died it would have caused mayhem to all road users using the busy roundabout and been dangerous to those approaching the roundabout from the otherside who wouldn't expect a car to be stopped there! and before anyone comments- I look after my car, it is serviced and MOT'd regularly and I had no previous warning there was anything wrong with it.
I recently broke down on a busy roundabout during morning rush hour, luckily my husband was nearby and drove to me. There was a bus stop very close so he stopped his car at the front of it (plenty of room for 2 buses to pull in behind him) and we pushed my broken down car off the roundabout and into the bus stop (still room for 1 if not 2 buses to pull in). We raised the bonnet of my car and phoned the breakdown service. during that time the CCTV car drove past and got two pictures of both of our cars (mine with the bonnet up) and both of us standing with the cars- yet we each received fines through the post. I paid them but I will be appealing them- had I have left the car on the roundabout where it lost all power and died it would have caused mayhem to all road users using the busy roundabout and been dangerous to those approaching the roundabout from the otherside who wouldn't expect a car to be stopped there! and before anyone comments- I look after my car, it is serviced and MOT'd regularly and I had no previous warning there was anything wrong with it. Likesalist
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7:43pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Anna Waite says...

Sir Peter Pantsless the 3rd wrote:
Derek Kenyan do you have an any common sense, or even a functioning braincell?
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I'm guessing you must be a product of the Anna Waite droid army legacy.
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You must have been assimilated!
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You have no doubt had your EPROM reprogrammed with the SBC Tory ethos of 'revenue at all costs'.
I opposed the spy cars and refused to introduce them, preferring instead to put the 'wardens' onto mopeds or bikes and to use static cctv in particularly dangerous black spots. It was my successor Cllr Flewit who brought them in. I still oppose them and think they do the image of Southend no good at all.

As for 'droid army' how little you really know.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Peter Pantsless the 3rd[/bold] wrote: Derek Kenyan do you have an any common sense, or even a functioning braincell? . I'm guessing you must be a product of the Anna Waite droid army legacy. . You must have been assimilated! . You have no doubt had your EPROM reprogrammed with the SBC Tory ethos of 'revenue at all costs'.[/p][/quote]I opposed the spy cars and refused to introduce them, preferring instead to put the 'wardens' onto mopeds or bikes and to use static cctv in particularly dangerous black spots. It was my successor Cllr Flewit who brought them in. I still oppose them and think they do the image of Southend no good at all. As for 'droid army' how little you really know. Anna Waite
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8:19pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Devils Advocate says...

I think sometimes though, the letter of the law can be viewed as harsh. I have regularly dropped my son and his children off in a bus lay by adjacent to his house. Although having the single wide yellow line, the only buses that run here are the twice daily school buses. Stopping outside his house, a few feet further on, on double yellow lines, invariably causes a hold up to the main road traffic whilst they disembark. And, on a road where a speed indicator shows most people well over 40mph in a 30mph limit, you feel endangered when one of the speed merchants comes hammering towards your rear. Surely, the offense this woman was fined for would have been fairer had a bus been obstructed at the lay by. Having said that, in the light of this fine, I won't be pulling into the bus lay by anymore. (I thought it was a no parking line!) So at least I have learned from her crime!
I think sometimes though, the letter of the law can be viewed as harsh. I have regularly dropped my son and his children off in a bus lay by adjacent to his house. Although having the single wide yellow line, the only buses that run here are the twice daily school buses. Stopping outside his house, a few feet further on, on double yellow lines, invariably causes a hold up to the main road traffic whilst they disembark. And, on a road where a speed indicator shows most people well over 40mph in a 30mph limit, you feel endangered when one of the speed merchants comes hammering towards your rear. Surely, the offense this woman was fined for would have been fairer had a bus been obstructed at the lay by. Having said that, in the light of this fine, I won't be pulling into the bus lay by anymore. (I thought it was a no parking line!) So at least I have learned from her crime! Devils Advocate
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9:20pm Wed 9 Jan 13

tippy2001 says...

But it is ok for the traffic wardens to break the law as I saw at about 7:45pm tonight I drove past 3 traffic wardens giving just 1 car a parking ticket that was parked in a proper parking bay & guess where the traffic wardens car was parked if you haven't guessed it was in a bus stop so it looks like one rule for one & another rule for the other & I thought they were punishing the people breaking the law when they break the law themselves so who is going to punish them then ????
But it is ok for the traffic wardens to break the law as I saw at about 7:45pm tonight I drove past 3 traffic wardens giving just 1 car a parking ticket that was parked in a proper parking bay & guess where the traffic wardens car was parked if you haven't guessed it was in a bus stop so it looks like one rule for one & another rule for the other & I thought they were punishing the people breaking the law when they break the law themselves so who is going to punish them then ???? tippy2001
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10:17pm Wed 9 Jan 13

stopmoaning1 says...

tippy2001 wrote:
But it is ok for the traffic wardens to break the law as I saw at about 7:45pm tonight I drove past 3 traffic wardens giving just 1 car a parking ticket that was parked in a proper parking bay & guess where the traffic wardens car was parked if you haven't guessed it was in a bus stop so it looks like one rule for one & another rule for the other & I thought they were punishing the people breaking the law when they break the law themselves so who is going to punish them then ????
Couldn't agre more. Yes enforce the rules but don't break them in doing so. In response to the broken down car receiving a ticket, a broken down car is a lawful reason for a vehicle to stop on zig zags at crossings so should be the same for the wide yellow line, i would certainly appeal that as it must be the same. I wouldnt bother for the second one that stopped to help though
[quote][p][bold]tippy2001[/bold] wrote: But it is ok for the traffic wardens to break the law as I saw at about 7:45pm tonight I drove past 3 traffic wardens giving just 1 car a parking ticket that was parked in a proper parking bay & guess where the traffic wardens car was parked if you haven't guessed it was in a bus stop so it looks like one rule for one & another rule for the other & I thought they were punishing the people breaking the law when they break the law themselves so who is going to punish them then ????[/p][/quote]Couldn't agre more. Yes enforce the rules but don't break them in doing so. In response to the broken down car receiving a ticket, a broken down car is a lawful reason for a vehicle to stop on zig zags at crossings so should be the same for the wide yellow line, i would certainly appeal that as it must be the same. I wouldnt bother for the second one that stopped to help though stopmoaning1
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12:40am Thu 10 Jan 13

aspokesman says...

Under the rules stated on the parking programme on Tuesday night the parking car cannot issue a ticket according to the statutory regulations. This is a situation where wardens can deal thus it would be invalid. It's all done for raising money not to deter /stop....
Under the rules stated on the parking programme on Tuesday night the parking car cannot issue a ticket according to the statutory regulations. This is a situation where wardens can deal thus it would be invalid. It's all done for raising money not to deter /stop.... aspokesman
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12:40am Thu 10 Jan 13

aspokesman says...

Under the rules stated on the parking programme on Tuesday night the parking car cannot issue a ticket according to the statutory regulations. This is a situation where wardens can deal thus it would be invalid. It's all done for raising money not to deter /stop....
Under the rules stated on the parking programme on Tuesday night the parking car cannot issue a ticket according to the statutory regulations. This is a situation where wardens can deal thus it would be invalid. It's all done for raising money not to deter /stop.... aspokesman
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8:51am Thu 10 Jan 13

Rich"Carol says...

I wont say what I feel about the spy cars and the drivers of them because if I did I would be kicked off of this site and would be terrorised by the mongrels that agree with spy cars, so I will say nothing.
I wont say what I feel about the spy cars and the drivers of them because if I did I would be kicked off of this site and would be terrorised by the mongrels that agree with spy cars, so I will say nothing. Rich"Carol
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9:27am Thu 10 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

tippy2001 wrote:
But it is ok for the traffic wardens to break the law as I saw at about 7:45pm tonight I drove past 3 traffic wardens giving just 1 car a parking ticket that was parked in a proper parking bay & guess where the traffic wardens car was parked if you haven't guessed it was in a bus stop so it looks like one rule for one & another rule for the other & I thought they were punishing the people breaking the law when they break the law themselves so who is going to punish them then ????
Certain vehicles are exempt from parking rules in the execution of their duties, this includes police, ambulance, fire, and parking enforcement vehicles.

I don't see anything to complain about, if you don't want a parking fine then don't park illegally. It's pretty simple really.
[quote][p][bold]tippy2001[/bold] wrote: But it is ok for the traffic wardens to break the law as I saw at about 7:45pm tonight I drove past 3 traffic wardens giving just 1 car a parking ticket that was parked in a proper parking bay & guess where the traffic wardens car was parked if you haven't guessed it was in a bus stop so it looks like one rule for one & another rule for the other & I thought they were punishing the people breaking the law when they break the law themselves so who is going to punish them then ????[/p][/quote]Certain vehicles are exempt from parking rules in the execution of their duties, this includes police, ambulance, fire, and parking enforcement vehicles. I don't see anything to complain about, if you don't want a parking fine then don't park illegally. It's pretty simple really. Shoebury_Cyclist
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10:11am Thu 10 Jan 13

Essex Medja says...

Rich"Carol wrote:
I wont say what I feel about the spy cars and the drivers of them because if I did I would be kicked off of this site and would be terrorised by the mongrels that agree with spy cars, so I will say nothing.
That's good then, because the drivers of those so called spy cars are paid by us the taxpayer to enforce the laws we the voters have signed up to.
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Win win all round as those who fail to abide by the majority view get fined and contribute to the common good.
[quote][p][bold]Rich"Carol[/bold] wrote: I wont say what I feel about the spy cars and the drivers of them because if I did I would be kicked off of this site and would be terrorised by the mongrels that agree with spy cars, so I will say nothing.[/p][/quote]That's good then, because the drivers of those so called spy cars are paid by us the taxpayer to enforce the laws we the voters have signed up to. . Win win all round as those who fail to abide by the majority view get fined and contribute to the common good. Essex Medja
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10:42am Thu 10 Jan 13

Rouge9 says...

Essex Medja wrote:
Rich"Carol wrote: I wont say what I feel about the spy cars and the drivers of them because if I did I would be kicked off of this site and would be terrorised by the mongrels that agree with spy cars, so I will say nothing.
That's good then, because the drivers of those so called spy cars are paid by us the taxpayer to enforce the laws we the voters have signed up to. . Win win all round as those who fail to abide by the majority view get fined and contribute to the common good.
I don't ever recall being asked to vote or even for my agreement on some of the "laws" we have. However by voting people in, we say you do the job for us. If they do what we don't like and stay quiet, then we are complicit in its execution upon us.
It is only by challenging rules that we can get any change. This fine the woman had, while "correct" is wrong (imo) as discretion could have been used. By draconian enforcement we end up with a them/us state where we become too scared to do anything. The Labour government started this with their banning of politcal protest. And we now live in a socielty fearing a minor transgression.
[quote][p][bold]Essex Medja[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rich"Carol[/bold] wrote: I wont say what I feel about the spy cars and the drivers of them because if I did I would be kicked off of this site and would be terrorised by the mongrels that agree with spy cars, so I will say nothing.[/p][/quote]That's good then, because the drivers of those so called spy cars are paid by us the taxpayer to enforce the laws we the voters have signed up to. . Win win all round as those who fail to abide by the majority view get fined and contribute to the common good.[/p][/quote]I don't ever recall being asked to vote or even for my agreement on some of the "laws" we have. However by voting people in, we say you do the job for us. If they do what we don't like and stay quiet, then we are complicit in its execution upon us. It is only by challenging rules that we can get any change. This fine the woman had, while "correct" is wrong (imo) as discretion could have been used. By draconian enforcement we end up with a them/us state where we become too scared to do anything. The Labour government started this with their banning of politcal protest. And we now live in a socielty fearing a minor transgression. Rouge9
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11:13am Thu 10 Jan 13

tippy2001 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
tippy2001 wrote: But it is ok for the traffic wardens to break the law as I saw at about 7:45pm tonight I drove past 3 traffic wardens giving just 1 car a parking ticket that was parked in a proper parking bay & guess where the traffic wardens car was parked if you haven't guessed it was in a bus stop so it looks like one rule for one & another rule for the other & I thought they were punishing the people breaking the law when they break the law themselves so who is going to punish them then ????
Certain vehicles are exempt from parking rules in the execution of their duties, this includes police, ambulance, fire, and parking enforcement vehicles. I don't see anything to complain about, if you don't want a parking fine then don't park illegally. It's pretty simple really.
Traffic wardens are not allowed to park there own personal cars while working to issue a ticket to someone as this makes the ticket void cause for example it would be like a fireman starting an illegal fire to do there jobs & as a matter of fact I've seen tv programs & newspapers where police cars have had a parking tickets for breaking the law where they have parked illegally
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tippy2001[/bold] wrote: But it is ok for the traffic wardens to break the law as I saw at about 7:45pm tonight I drove past 3 traffic wardens giving just 1 car a parking ticket that was parked in a proper parking bay & guess where the traffic wardens car was parked if you haven't guessed it was in a bus stop so it looks like one rule for one & another rule for the other & I thought they were punishing the people breaking the law when they break the law themselves so who is going to punish them then ????[/p][/quote]Certain vehicles are exempt from parking rules in the execution of their duties, this includes police, ambulance, fire, and parking enforcement vehicles. I don't see anything to complain about, if you don't want a parking fine then don't park illegally. It's pretty simple really.[/p][/quote]Traffic wardens are not allowed to park there own personal cars while working to issue a ticket to someone as this makes the ticket void cause for example it would be like a fireman starting an illegal fire to do there jobs & as a matter of fact I've seen tv programs & newspapers where police cars have had a parking tickets for breaking the law where they have parked illegally tippy2001
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11:37am Thu 10 Jan 13

stopmoaning1 says...

tippy2001 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
tippy2001 wrote: But it is ok for the traffic wardens to break the law as I saw at about 7:45pm tonight I drove past 3 traffic wardens giving just 1 car a parking ticket that was parked in a proper parking bay & guess where the traffic wardens car was parked if you haven't guessed it was in a bus stop so it looks like one rule for one & another rule for the other & I thought they were punishing the people breaking the law when they break the law themselves so who is going to punish them then ????
Certain vehicles are exempt from parking rules in the execution of their duties, this includes police, ambulance, fire, and parking enforcement vehicles. I don't see anything to complain about, if you don't want a parking fine then don't park illegally. It's pretty simple really.
Traffic wardens are not allowed to park there own personal cars while working to issue a ticket to someone as this makes the ticket void cause for example it would be like a fireman starting an illegal fire to do there jobs & as a matter of fact I've seen tv programs & newspapers where police cars have had a parking tickets for breaking the law where they have parked illegally
All emergency vehicles - including Coastguard, are exempt from parking rules in 'the execution of their duty' which is why you woud have seen tickets on police vehicles if they had just gone to get some chips. The key here is EMERGENCY vehicles. 'Traffic Enforcement' vehicles? I don't think so
[quote][p][bold]tippy2001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tippy2001[/bold] wrote: But it is ok for the traffic wardens to break the law as I saw at about 7:45pm tonight I drove past 3 traffic wardens giving just 1 car a parking ticket that was parked in a proper parking bay & guess where the traffic wardens car was parked if you haven't guessed it was in a bus stop so it looks like one rule for one & another rule for the other & I thought they were punishing the people breaking the law when they break the law themselves so who is going to punish them then ????[/p][/quote]Certain vehicles are exempt from parking rules in the execution of their duties, this includes police, ambulance, fire, and parking enforcement vehicles. I don't see anything to complain about, if you don't want a parking fine then don't park illegally. It's pretty simple really.[/p][/quote]Traffic wardens are not allowed to park there own personal cars while working to issue a ticket to someone as this makes the ticket void cause for example it would be like a fireman starting an illegal fire to do there jobs & as a matter of fact I've seen tv programs & newspapers where police cars have had a parking tickets for breaking the law where they have parked illegally[/p][/quote]All emergency vehicles - including Coastguard, are exempt from parking rules in 'the execution of their duty' which is why you woud have seen tickets on police vehicles if they had just gone to get some chips. The key here is EMERGENCY vehicles. 'Traffic Enforcement' vehicles? I don't think so stopmoaning1
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11:37am Thu 10 Jan 13

stopmoaning1 says...

tippy2001 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
tippy2001 wrote: But it is ok for the traffic wardens to break the law as I saw at about 7:45pm tonight I drove past 3 traffic wardens giving just 1 car a parking ticket that was parked in a proper parking bay & guess where the traffic wardens car was parked if you haven't guessed it was in a bus stop so it looks like one rule for one & another rule for the other & I thought they were punishing the people breaking the law when they break the law themselves so who is going to punish them then ????
Certain vehicles are exempt from parking rules in the execution of their duties, this includes police, ambulance, fire, and parking enforcement vehicles. I don't see anything to complain about, if you don't want a parking fine then don't park illegally. It's pretty simple really.
Traffic wardens are not allowed to park there own personal cars while working to issue a ticket to someone as this makes the ticket void cause for example it would be like a fireman starting an illegal fire to do there jobs & as a matter of fact I've seen tv programs & newspapers where police cars have had a parking tickets for breaking the law where they have parked illegally
All emergency vehicles - including Coastguard, are exempt from parking rules in 'the execution of their duty' which is why you woud have seen tickets on police vehicles if they had just gone to get some chips. The key here is EMERGENCY vehicles. 'Traffic Enforcement' vehicles? I don't think so
[quote][p][bold]tippy2001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tippy2001[/bold] wrote: But it is ok for the traffic wardens to break the law as I saw at about 7:45pm tonight I drove past 3 traffic wardens giving just 1 car a parking ticket that was parked in a proper parking bay & guess where the traffic wardens car was parked if you haven't guessed it was in a bus stop so it looks like one rule for one & another rule for the other & I thought they were punishing the people breaking the law when they break the law themselves so who is going to punish them then ????[/p][/quote]Certain vehicles are exempt from parking rules in the execution of their duties, this includes police, ambulance, fire, and parking enforcement vehicles. I don't see anything to complain about, if you don't want a parking fine then don't park illegally. It's pretty simple really.[/p][/quote]Traffic wardens are not allowed to park there own personal cars while working to issue a ticket to someone as this makes the ticket void cause for example it would be like a fireman starting an illegal fire to do there jobs & as a matter of fact I've seen tv programs & newspapers where police cars have had a parking tickets for breaking the law where they have parked illegally[/p][/quote]All emergency vehicles - including Coastguard, are exempt from parking rules in 'the execution of their duty' which is why you woud have seen tickets on police vehicles if they had just gone to get some chips. The key here is EMERGENCY vehicles. 'Traffic Enforcement' vehicles? I don't think so stopmoaning1
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11:40am Thu 10 Jan 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Anyway, another misleading Echo headline. The woman was NOT fined £167 for stopping for seven seconds. She received the standard penalty which SHE has now escelated by refusing to this amount by not accepting she had stopped illeagaly
Anyway, another misleading Echo headline. The woman was NOT fined £167 for stopping for seven seconds. She received the standard penalty which SHE has now escelated by refusing to this amount by not accepting she had stopped illeagaly stopmoaning1
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11:57am Thu 10 Jan 13

tippy2001 says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
tippy2001 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
tippy2001 wrote: But it is ok for the traffic wardens to break the law as I saw at about 7:45pm tonight I drove past 3 traffic wardens giving just 1 car a parking ticket that was parked in a proper parking bay & guess where the traffic wardens car was parked if you haven't guessed it was in a bus stop so it looks like one rule for one & another rule for the other & I thought they were punishing the people breaking the law when they break the law themselves so who is going to punish them then ????
Certain vehicles are exempt from parking rules in the execution of their duties, this includes police, ambulance, fire, and parking enforcement vehicles. I don't see anything to complain about, if you don't want a parking fine then don't park illegally. It's pretty simple really.
Traffic wardens are not allowed to park there own personal cars while working to issue a ticket to someone as this makes the ticket void cause for example it would be like a fireman starting an illegal fire to do there jobs & as a matter of fact I've seen tv programs & newspapers where police cars have had a parking tickets for breaking the law where they have parked illegally
All emergency vehicles - including Coastguard, are exempt from parking rules in 'the execution of their duty' which is why you woud have seen tickets on police vehicles if they had just gone to get some chips. The key here is EMERGENCY vehicles. 'Traffic Enforcement' vehicles? I don't think so
That's my point & im not too sure about the spy car if they have been given that rule & I've even seen the spy car miss a few cars out when they have been in loading bays & double yellow lines even when they could of parked up safely themselves & other days I've seen them parking illegally to take photos of cars that where there back wheels have just been on the loading bay or double yellow lines
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tippy2001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tippy2001[/bold] wrote: But it is ok for the traffic wardens to break the law as I saw at about 7:45pm tonight I drove past 3 traffic wardens giving just 1 car a parking ticket that was parked in a proper parking bay & guess where the traffic wardens car was parked if you haven't guessed it was in a bus stop so it looks like one rule for one & another rule for the other & I thought they were punishing the people breaking the law when they break the law themselves so who is going to punish them then ????[/p][/quote]Certain vehicles are exempt from parking rules in the execution of their duties, this includes police, ambulance, fire, and parking enforcement vehicles. I don't see anything to complain about, if you don't want a parking fine then don't park illegally. It's pretty simple really.[/p][/quote]Traffic wardens are not allowed to park there own personal cars while working to issue a ticket to someone as this makes the ticket void cause for example it would be like a fireman starting an illegal fire to do there jobs & as a matter of fact I've seen tv programs & newspapers where police cars have had a parking tickets for breaking the law where they have parked illegally[/p][/quote]All emergency vehicles - including Coastguard, are exempt from parking rules in 'the execution of their duty' which is why you woud have seen tickets on police vehicles if they had just gone to get some chips. The key here is EMERGENCY vehicles. 'Traffic Enforcement' vehicles? I don't think so[/p][/quote]That's my point & im not too sure about the spy car if they have been given that rule & I've even seen the spy car miss a few cars out when they have been in loading bays & double yellow lines even when they could of parked up safely themselves & other days I've seen them parking illegally to take photos of cars that where there back wheels have just been on the loading bay or double yellow lines tippy2001
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1:21pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Firestormgjc says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
Anyway, another misleading Echo headline. The woman was NOT fined £167 for stopping for seven seconds. She received the standard penalty which SHE has now escelated by refusing to this amount by not accepting she had stopped illeagaly
As well as the SEVEN Seconds bit

>>including two pictures of her dropping her dad off - one with the passenger door open taken at 11.21am and 38 seconds and by 11.21am and 45 seconds he was completely out of the car
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: Anyway, another misleading Echo headline. The woman was NOT fined £167 for stopping for seven seconds. She received the standard penalty which SHE has now escelated by refusing to this amount by not accepting she had stopped illeagaly[/p][/quote]As well as the SEVEN Seconds bit >>including two pictures of her dropping her dad off - one with the passenger door open taken at 11.21am and 38 seconds and by 11.21am and 45 seconds he was completely out of the car Firestormgjc
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1:59pm Thu 10 Jan 13

r6keith says...

See the follow on story today it gets better (Thursday ) !
See the follow on story today it gets better (Thursday ) ! r6keith
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3:45pm Thu 10 Jan 13

HK9597 says...

Pah!
She's always stopping for 7 seconds.
Calculate it over a year, and she has parked illegally for hours... :-)
Pah! She's always stopping for 7 seconds. Calculate it over a year, and she has parked illegally for hours... :-) HK9597
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8:17pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Essex Medja says...

Yeh, No problem let's ignore the law. Co's your special princess !!!
Yeh, No problem let's ignore the law. Co's your special princess !!! Essex Medja
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