Girl, 4, suffers facial injuries after dog attack in Southend (From Echo)

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

EssexVicky wrote:
What's the guessing if it was a staffie type the breed of the dog would not have been reserved for the end of the article?

Carnabackable wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

Punish both, the moronic owner, and the blood thirsty mutt. Put the mutt to sleep fine/imprison the owner.

hellen wrote:

Carnabackable wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

Punish both, the moronic owner, and the blood thirsty mutt. Put the mutt to sleep fine/imprison the owner.

why are people so ignorant

Carnabackable wrote:
Muzzles make compulsory or put 'em down, ban owners from keeping these status symbols

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

hellen wrote:

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.

asbo. just the truth wrote:

hellen wrote:

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.

we'd never have guesses you were a staffie owner (honest)

hellen wrote:

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.

hellen wrote:

asbo. just the truth wrote:

hellen wrote:

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.

we'd never have guesses you were a staffie owner (honest)

being sarcastic is another form of wit .

Carnabackable wrote:

hellen wrote:

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.

Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ?

It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways

hellen wrote:

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.

Carnabackable wrote:
Muzzles make compulsory or put 'em down, ban owners from keeping these status symbols

asbo. just the truth wrote:

hellen wrote:

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.

we'd never have guesses you were a staffie owner (honest)

hellen wrote:

Carnabackable wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

Punish both, the moronic owner, and the blood thirsty mutt. Put the mutt to sleep fine/imprison the owner.

why are people so ignorant

mark-986 wrote:

Carnabackable wrote:

hellen wrote:

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.

Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ?

It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways

i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.

Carnabackable wrote:

hellen wrote:

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.

Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ?

It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways

bongking wrote:

mark-986 wrote:

Carnabackable wrote:

hellen wrote:

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.

Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ?

It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways

i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.

i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!!

mark-986 wrote:

bongking wrote:

mark-986 wrote:

Carnabackable wrote:

hellen wrote:

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.

Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ?

It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways

i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.

i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!!

my dog will never be muzzled it stays on a lead that is enough. it's the kids who run over to my dog that needs to be controlled. all due to bad parenting.

mark-986 wrote:

bongking wrote:

mark-986 wrote:

Carnabackable wrote:

hellen wrote:

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.

Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ? It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways

i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.

i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!!

my dog will never be muzzled it stays on a lead that is enough. it's the kids who run over to my dog that needs to be controlled. all due to bad parenting.

Almeda11 wrote:

mark-986 wrote:

bongking wrote:

mark-986 wrote:

Carnabackable wrote:

hellen wrote:

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.

Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ? It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways

i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.

i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!!

my dog will never be muzzled it stays on a lead that is enough. it's the kids who run over to my dog that needs to be controlled. all due to bad parenting.

lt isn`t always the kids running over to the dogs, often it`s the reverse. l was in Chalkwell park recently, and there was a young mother with her two little girls, about 4 and 5 years old.
Two people with their dogs off the lead, and one of these dogs ran up and almost knocked the pair over. The stupid owner didn`t even apologise,just said " it`s alright, he won`t hurt you" and the mother said nothing! unbelievable, if that had happened to me l would have had quite a lot to say about it, these owners need educating, in common sense, respect and courtesy!

LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.

LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.

LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

Essex Medja wrote:

LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.

best wishes for the child.
.
Good to see that you put a childs life before your need to own a mobile faeces machine.

Essex Medja wrote:Good to see that you put a childs life before your need to own a mobile faeces machine.

asbo. just the truth wrote:

LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.

an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.

asbo. just the truth wrote:

LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.

an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.

LeighNorton wrote: To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year. As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog. To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.

asbo. just the truth wrote: an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

asbo. just the truth wrote:

LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.

an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.

The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct.

asbo. just the truth wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

asbo. just the truth wrote:

LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.

an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.

The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct.

no there is overkill which is ban all dogs (the red flag) and there is use of sensible, available safety features which are no impingement on the dog - leash and muzzle (the seatbelt)

asbo. just the truth wrote:
if owners refuse to muzzle their dog (which is no impingement on the dog) they must underwrite (financially) the liability of their dog. permanent facial scarring would not come cheap.

Jb2013 wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...

asbo. just the truth wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

asbo. just the truth wrote:

LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.

an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.

The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct.

no there is overkill which is ban all dogs (the red flag) and there is use of sensible, available safety features which are no impingement on the dog - leash and muzzle (the seatbelt)

Keptquiettillnow wrote:
Partly to blame the owners, and partly to blame is the council for not setting aside parts of parks, the beach etc for dog walking. All other tims dogs should be on leads, no excuses.

Keptquiettillnow wrote:
If you want to see how dog owners have ruined a once lovely park go to Gunners Park in the summer and try and eat a sandwich without being surrounded by bluebottles. Dog mess and dogs off the lead all around.

Keptquiettillnow wrote:
If you want to see how dog owners have ruined a once lovely park go to Gunners Park in the summer and try and eat a sandwich without being surrounded by bluebottles. Dog mess and dogs off the lead all around.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

asbo. just the truth wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

asbo. just the truth wrote:

LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.

an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.

The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct.

no there is overkill which is ban all dogs (the red flag) and there is use of sensible, available safety features which are no impingement on the dog - leash and muzzle (the seatbelt)

The red flag doesn't ban all cars, it severely limits the possibility of them harming others, just like a muzzle doesn't ban all dogs, it strictly limits the possibility of them harming others.

The analogy is spot on.

LeighNorton wrote:

asbo. just the truth wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

asbo. just the truth wrote:

LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.

an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.

The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct.

no there is overkill which is ban all dogs (the red flag) and there is use of sensible, available safety features which are no impingement on the dog - leash and muzzle (the seatbelt)

Muzzling a dog is of course an impingement on both dog and owner. There is the cost and time putting the muzzle on and off for the owner and the dog may be frightened by the expereince and is unable to pick up a stick or ball. More seriously, most muzzle designs prevent drinking which dogs need to do regularly. However, in situations where there is a reasonable chance the dog might get itself into trouble or where it would be allowed greater freedom that would otherwise be reasonable it may be better for the dog to be muzzled - these things are not black & white and each situation has to be considered individually. No one is trying to minimise the impact of being attacked by a dog - just pointing out that the chance of it happening is low.

Around 36 children are killed each year by thier parents. Should we ban parenthood altogether or make it compulsory for all parents to be monitored 24/7 by a live-in government official? That would save 18 times as many children as compulsory muzzling.

Re: the motoring analogy. Reducing the speed limit to 20mph in urban areas and 30mph everywhere else would likely reduce the number of road deaths by 90% as speed is the biggest factor in road fatalities. 40mph would be too high - the chance of being killed is 4 times greater at 40mph than 30mph. It could certainly be done and would be analogous to muzzling dogs in your argument.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Keptquiettillnow wrote:
If you want to see how dog owners have ruined a once lovely park go to Gunners Park in the summer and try and eat a sandwich without being surrounded by bluebottles. Dog mess and dogs off the lead all around.

That, and the fact that despite all their promises the Garrison developers have failed to replace the land they built on. Instead there is a large stagnant pond, glass strewn paths and grassland, and yes, dog mess everywhere.

Seasider90 wrote:
Notice the responsible dog owners agree that all dogs should be muzzled in public. Then there's the "my little pooch is an angel and would never hurt a fly" attitudes from people with half a brain and even a comment blaming kids for going near dogs. Shoebury East Beach is one big dog toilet yet families with kids crowd the place in summer. Southend council should be sued if any child gets ill from dog mess - can you believe this does not come under an environmental health issue?

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

hellen wrote:

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.

smithy741 wrote:

Jb2013 wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...

Thank you jb2013 good to read a comment from someone who actually see it, of course the dog hating brigade will still blame the dog. I wish the girl a speedy recovery and lets hope a lesson was learnt by all involved including the dog owner.

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

Yeah right, so it was the dog owner that mauled the girl then.

Jb2013 wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:

hellen wrote:

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.

Taught them to be nice to people..? how funny.
way too much dogs s**t around too hope you pick it all up including the sloppy stuff.

Jb2013 wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...

StuckInTraffic wrote:

Jb2013 wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...

Hope the little girl makes a full recovery.

Thankyou for your account of the incident, it does make a bit more sense now why the dog attacked the child. I can't understand what the Dog Owner was doing at this time, although my dogs are tame and in a controlled environment they can be introduced to children, I wouldn't let any child hang from my dogs ears, they would be asked to keep away from the dogs, and if they ignored that I would shout at them. They would get the message. If the dog had been left tied up outside the shop, while the owner was shopping then the Owner should never have dogs again, that is one of the most stupid and irresponsible things anyone can do.
Dog owners must realise that dogs are a potential weapon and must be monitored at all times, they can attack for any reason. I have recently been aware of a Dog who was the most docile and gentle animal going, turn on someone for absolutely no obvious reason, and cause a significant injury. It turned out the Dog had developed a brain tumour which hadn't been identified and this had caused a significant mood swing. If a dog is on a lead and the owner has control of the dog then it will not be able to bite someone, whether it is muzzled or not.

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

Yeah right, so it was the dog owner that mauled the girl then.

Almeda11 wrote:

mark-986 wrote:

bongking wrote:

mark-986 wrote:

Carnabackable wrote:

hellen wrote:

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.

Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ? It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways

i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.

i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!!

my dog will never be muzzled it stays on a lead that is enough. it's the kids who run over to my dog that needs to be controlled. all due to bad parenting.

lt isn`t always the kids running over to the dogs, often it`s the reverse. l was in Chalkwell park recently, and there was a young mother with her two little girls, about 4 and 5 years old.
Two people with their dogs off the lead, and one of these dogs ran up and almost knocked the pair over. The stupid owner didn`t even apologise,just said " it`s alright, he won`t hurt you" and the mother said nothing! unbelievable, if that had happened to me l would have had quite a lot to say about it, these owners need educating, in common sense, respect and courtesy!

mattyc404 wrote:
Right just so everyone knows our little girl is ok and should make a nice recovery so thank you for you wishes, as for that comment "callously" I thought was a bit harsh my other half had not even noticed the dog tied up when she turned to speak to her friend and i think we can all agree that we all do that everyday. Our kids are taught to ask permission and on the whole knowing how much our daughter loves dogs and animals alike we are always one step ahead when out on the streets just unfortunately this was un-forseen. We all like animals in our house and I dont think dogs should always be muzzled but if a dog is left unattended then maybe they should be even if its just a precaution thanks again for all the nice comments

hellen wrote:

smithy741 wrote:

Jb2013 wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...

Thank you jb2013 good to read a comment from someone who actually see it, of course the dog hating brigade will still blame the dog. I wish the girl a speedy recovery and lets hope a lesson was learnt by all involved including the dog owner.

Having read most of the comments, I have a few things to add. Labradors rarely attack. They must be under extreme stress to do so. I have been around labs for over 50years and at times we have had three at any one time. Labs, like all other dogs need to be trained, To sit, stay etc etc. All dogs need to be trained. As regards to the muzzling. WHY!!!!! I have a wee dog {by the way I'm using my friends pc - my name in Heather} He was trained to do as told from a pup. I take him to the park everyday and he is not allowed to run up to people and especially children. However I cant say the same for parents. I know I have a well trained wee dog, other people dont, so why do they allow their kids to run up and try to touch him. I am always saying NO! STOP! You dont know me or my dog, I do allow them to stroke him but only after they have asked me. I wouldn't go up to someone and touch their dog, kid or whatever. As for muzzling, dont be so blooding stupid. It would only be the responsible dog owners that would use a muzzle. The beach, well dont get me started on that. Dog owners are only allowed to use the beach with their dog from Oct to end of march, I take him down there, he has a wee run and I clean up after him. What a pity other folk dont clean up after themselves, we have come across used sanitary ware, cans, broken bottles and other rubbish. I have also been castigated for being on the beach by folk who are down there with their kids. Why is that, its our time for taking pets to the beach. Regarding parks, why should we have to put our dogs on a lead, I dont ask that parents put their kids on reins. They run all over the place, shouting, screaming, banging into you, using bikes and scooters, coming up behind you and barging past. The end result is always going to be the same. They're shouldn't be an us and them, we all have good days and bad, some irresponsible parents, some irresponsible dog owners, some badly behaved children and dogs. That life and unless you want to opt out of it, thats hows its always going to be. The wee girl, well it doesn't say how badly she was hurt, I do hope it wasn't too bad and on behalf of responsible dog owners, I am so very very sorry that this has happened to you. I hope you get better soon.

Hannah Foster wrote:

hellen wrote:

smithy741 wrote:

Jb2013 wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...

Thank you jb2013 good to read a comment from someone who actually see it, of course the dog hating brigade will still blame the dog. I wish the girl a speedy recovery and lets hope a lesson was learnt by all involved including the dog owner.

Having read most of the comments, I have a few things to add. Labradors rarely attack. They must be under extreme stress to do so. I have been around labs for over 50years and at times we have had three at any one time. Labs, like all other dogs need to be trained, To sit, stay etc etc. All dogs need to be trained. As regards to the muzzling. WHY!!!!! I have a wee dog {by the way I'm using my friends pc - my name in Heather} He was trained to do as told from a pup. I take him to the park everyday and he is not allowed to run up to people and especially children. However I cant say the same for parents. I know I have a well trained wee dog, other people dont, so why do they allow their kids to run up and try to touch him. I am always saying NO! STOP! You dont know me or my dog, I do allow them to stroke him but only after they have asked me. I wouldn't go up to someone and touch their dog, kid or whatever. As for muzzling, dont be so blooding stupid. It would only be the responsible dog owners that would use a muzzle. The beach, well dont get me started on that. Dog owners are only allowed to use the beach with their dog from Oct to end of march, I take him down there, he has a wee run and I clean up after him. What a pity other folk dont clean up after themselves, we have come across used sanitary ware, cans, broken bottles and other rubbish. I have also been castigated for being on the beach by folk who are down there with their kids. Why is that, its our time for taking pets to the beach. Regarding parks, why should we have to put our dogs on a lead, I dont ask that parents put their kids on reins. They run all over the place, shouting, screaming, banging into you, using bikes and scooters, coming up behind you and barging past. The end result is always going to be the same. They're shouldn't be an us and them, we all have good days and bad, some irresponsible parents, some irresponsible dog owners, some badly behaved children and dogs. That life and unless you want to opt out of it, thats hows its always going to be. The wee girl, well it doesn't say how badly she was hurt, I do hope it wasn't too bad and on behalf of responsible dog owners, I am so very very sorry that this has happened to you. I hope you get better soon.

Very well said and very true.

If you have responsible dog owners and properly controlled and trained dogs and if parents teach their children how to approach a dog and to ask permission for its owner before they touch the dog then I just don't think we would have these problems. Young children should never be left alone with dogs and neither should be kids be sent out to walk powerful dogs that hey have no hope,of,controlling. Simple, effective steps and dog owners can enjoy their dogs, children are kept safe and everyone is happy.

asbo. just the truth wrote:
if owners refuse to muzzle their dog (which is no impingement on the dog) they must underwrite (financially) the liability of their dog. permanent facial scarring would not come cheap.

jenessex wrote:

asbo. just the truth wrote:
if owners refuse to muzzle their dog (which is no impingement on the dog) they must underwrite (financially) the liability of their dog. permanent facial scarring would not come cheap.

have you ever seen a dog that isnt used to being muzzled? they panic! imagen something being stuck round your face when you wasnt expecting it!

Seasider90 wrote:
Notice the responsible dog owners agree that all dogs should be muzzled in public. Then there's the "my little pooch is an angel and would never hurt a fly" attitudes from people with half a brain and even a comment blaming kids for going near dogs. Shoebury East Beach is one big dog toilet yet families with kids crowd the place in summer. Southend council should be sued if any child gets ill from dog mess - can you believe this does not come under an environmental health issue?

Jb2013 wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...

emcee wrote:

hellen wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.

well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.

What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.

saltydawg wrote:
Looking at this in slightly diffrent way and looking at this article alone ,this is a not a very wide pavement along side a very busy seafront road junction beloved of seafront cruisers and racers ,as the child unfortunaltley had the time to reach a tetherd dog (of lets be honest a very unaggressive breed ) lets us count our blessing that the poor child didnt walk the other way and end up in the road with even worse consequenses .
Surely in this instance the parent /carer is the one in error here ,im not by anymeans saying they are a poor guardian generally but if the child had enough time to reach a Dog tied up and then be bitten /nipped then in this situation they are to blame they took there eye of the ball and with chidlren 30 seconds is to long,accidents happen but of course normaly someone is to blame, had the Dog run up to the child and bitten it thats very diffrent .This Dog may well always be kept/walked on a lead normally and be very placid ,left alone without his/her owner may well have have put it on it guard. As we all know children especially youngsters dont have built into them a "dont touch" it has to be learnt or instructed the same as dont walk in the road .
Im sure the poor owner is just as devestated as to what has happened .
Fingers crossed its not to serious and the child is not marked mentaly or physically and best thoughts with them . After reading this article I have orderd a Soft Muzzle for My soft breed dog ( that is when hes not picking up game for me) as many comments have said had the dog been muzzeld this couldnt have happened and I wouldnt want my dog been put in the same situation by someone elses error .

Letmetryagain wrote:
...and so it goes on.

Nothing changes :(

mattyc404 wrote:
Right just so everyone knows our little girl is ok and should make a nice recovery so thank you for you wishes, as for that comment "callously" I thought was a bit harsh my other half had not even noticed the dog tied up when she turned to speak to her friend and i think we can all agree that we all do that everyday. Our kids are taught to ask permission and on the whole knowing how much our daughter loves dogs and animals alike we are always one step ahead when out on the streets just unfortunately this was un-forseen. We all like animals in our house and I dont think dogs should always be muzzled but if a dog is left unattended then maybe they should be even if its just a precaution thanks again for all the nice comments

Carnabackable wrote:
Muzzles make compulsory or put 'em down, ban owners from keeping these status symbols

tallblokerobbie wrote:
Get a grip!! 'Dog Savages Girl'! No it didn't. It bit once or twice because it was clearly feeling threatened. I was taught at a young age not to go up to dogs in case they bit me. If it had it would've been my fault, not the dogs fault. If the Labrador had wanted to'savage' the girl, it could have. The muzzle all dogs brigade are ridiculous. Next they'll be wanting soft pavements just in case they should slip over. This is not a cotton wool world! Stuff happens, stop blaming others!

asbo. just the truth wrote:
if i were a betting man (which i am) i would say more than half of the anti muzzle brigade here on this blog are staffie owners. i'll let you draw your own conclusions.

doglover wrote:
Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog.
What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame.
Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places.
BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible.
Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child.
Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl.
I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous

hellen wrote:

doglover wrote:
Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog.
What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame.
Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places.
BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible.
Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child.
Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl.
I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous

well said I am so glad that a dog lover commented on here its getting ridiculous now people saying muzzle them if people train there dog's not to bite then there is no need to put muzzle's on them.

doglover wrote:
Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog.
What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame.
Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places.
BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible.
Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child.
Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl.
I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous

hellen wrote:

doglover wrote:
Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog.
What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame.
Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places.
BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible.
Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child.
Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl.
I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous

well said I am so glad that a dog lover commented on here its getting ridiculous now people saying muzzle them if people train there dog's not to bite then there is no need to put muzzle's on them.

I love Essex wrote:

hellen wrote:

doglover wrote:
Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog.
What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame.
Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places.
BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible.
Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child.
Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl.
I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous

well said I am so glad that a dog lover commented on here its getting ridiculous now people saying muzzle them if people train there dog's not to bite then there is no need to put muzzle's on them.

got to admit, am fed up with public who want to pet my dog when tied up....he is big and lovely looking, but would fear bite. So is muzzled - labs are attackers - got done over today by one - again
. whole in the boot- third time...

hellen wrote:

asbo. just the truth wrote:
if i were a betting man (which i am) i would say more than half of the anti muzzle brigade here on this blog are staffie owners. i'll let you draw your own conclusions.

you said you are a better man if that is so why did you not wright more to defend the breed of dog

luvinlife wrote:
I have two young children who are nervous of dogs, stemming from negative experiences, almost always it's inconsiderate, inexperienced or inept dog owners to blame.

A little advice: if you tie a dog up, it becomes a different animal.

I have owned dogs all my life, usually it's not the dog to blame it's owners.

hellen wrote:
for the idiot who just replied to my post. If you check previous posts you will see that I am using my friends pc and have used her details to reply. She has the siberian husky and staff I have a wee terrier. How about you get a life and stop putting stupid posts on here. Do you even have a dog because as I stated in my previous post, this is no longer about the wee girl its about dog haters. Thats all.

Carnabackable wrote:
Muzzles make compulsory or put 'em down, ban owners from keeping these status symbols

Peter245 wrote:
I have registered just to comment on this story because of all the small minded people that have commented. Why should an animal be put down for biting someone? A person doesn't get slaughtered for punching someone. No animal should be murdered for harming someone, the owner should be made to pay compensation and have to pay for the dog to be put through rehabilitation, and if they fail to do so, the dog should then be removed from that persons care, and placed into rehab, then re-homed. No animal should die because of this, It is the owners fault, not the animals.

If a young child was to commit a crime, its the parents that are to blame for a poor up-bringing. Why is it different with animals?

Think about it before you comment.

I hope the young girl isn't scarred, and recovers well

Peter245 wrote:
I have registered just to comment on this story because of all the small minded people that have commented. Why should an animal be put down for biting someone? A person doesn't get slaughtered for punching someone. No animal should be murdered for harming someone, the owner should be made to pay compensation and have to pay for the dog to be put through rehabilitation, and if they fail to do so, the dog should then be removed from that persons care, and placed into rehab, then re-homed. No animal should die because of this, It is the owners fault, not the animals.

If a young child was to commit a crime, its the parents that are to blame for a poor up-bringing. Why is it different with animals?

Think about it before you comment.

I hope the young girl isn't scarred, and recovers well

Peter245 wrote:
As taxpayers, we all pay for 100,000 criminals to be rehabilitated, why cant the government have a scheme to rehabilitate animals? And any animal owner that actually cares about their animal would pay to do this themselves instead of having it taken away from them.

A person gets to carry on living at the cost of the taxpayer after taking anothers life, Why should an animal be killed for causing a flesh wound to someone?

If I was biten by a dog that I walked up to in the street, Its my own fault for approaching it. But if a dog ran at me and attacked me, it should be put into proper training.

hellen wrote:
well said Peter they should do the same for the animals I dont think its right that a dog bites someone then they get put down they should do the same to killers, child molesters what is good for one should be good for the other.

Essex Medja wrote:
What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...

Essex Medja wrote:
What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...

Essex Medja wrote:
What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...

Essex Medja wrote:
What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...

Peter245 wrote:

Essex Medja wrote:
What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...

A dog bonds with people if treated right, so do cats and other animals. Pets are excellent companions. They dont argue or answer back, because they cant speak. So someone has to speak up for them.

If you had a dog and it was murdered, you would be upset, and want to do the same to the person that done it. Exactly the same if it was a member of your family that was murdered. Its no different. Love is unconditional when it comes to animals and people. My argument isnt that murderers and rapists should be scentenced to death, its that animals shouldnt be!

asbo. just the truth wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Essex Medja wrote:
What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...

A dog bonds with people if treated right, so do cats and other animals. Pets are excellent companions. They dont argue or answer back, because they cant speak. So someone has to speak up for them.

If you had a dog and it was murdered, you would be upset, and want to do the same to the person that done it. Exactly the same if it was a member of your family that was murdered. Its no different. Love is unconditional when it comes to animals and people. My argument isnt that murderers and rapists should be scentenced to death, its that animals shouldnt be!

so should we take your vegan status as a given?

hellen wrote:

asbo. just the truth wrote:

Peter245 wrote:

Essex Medja wrote:
What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...

A dog bonds with people if treated right, so do cats and other animals. Pets are excellent companions. They dont argue or answer back, because they cant speak. So someone has to speak up for them.

If you had a dog and it was murdered, you would be upset, and want to do the same to the person that done it. Exactly the same if it was a member of your family that was murdered. Its no different. Love is unconditional when it comes to animals and people. My argument isnt that murderers and rapists should be scentenced to death, its that animals shouldnt be!

so should we take your vegan status as a given?

I would trust a animal more than I would a human yes murderers and rapists should be hung.