Girl, 4, suffers facial injuries after dog attack in Southend

First published in Local News

A FOUR-year-old girl has been rushed to hospital with facial injuries after being attacked by a dog in Southend.

Police were contacted just after 11.35am  this morning, Saturday, following reports that a child had received injuries to her face while in Eastern Esplanade near the Kursaal.

The girl, from Southend, has been taken to Chelmsford’s Broomfield Hospital for treatment.

An Essex Police spokeswoman said officers are investigating the incident and are working with the owner of the dog, believed to be a Labrador.

Any witnesses are urged to contact PC Daniel Hedges at Southend police station on 101.

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3:33pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Brunning999 says...

Shame for all concerned.
Shame for all concerned. Brunning999
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4:05pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Sean4u says...

Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do. Sean4u
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4:16pm Sat 5 Jan 13

firedog says...

Until we know the facts,you cannot make a comment,though know it alls will of course.
Until we know the facts,you cannot make a comment,though know it alls will of course. firedog
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4:25pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Seasider90 says...

Ban all dogs from the seafront and public parks. How many more kids have to get injured? Am waiting for the "bad owners" responses. Fact is even the best behaved dogs can turn in an instant and no one can guarantee their darling little pooch won't bite. If the owners were subject to nice big fines then we might see less of this type of incident. Hope the little girl gets better soon.
Ban all dogs from the seafront and public parks. How many more kids have to get injured? Am waiting for the "bad owners" responses. Fact is even the best behaved dogs can turn in an instant and no one can guarantee their darling little pooch won't bite. If the owners were subject to nice big fines then we might see less of this type of incident. Hope the little girl gets better soon. Seasider90
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4:25pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

Muzzles make compulsory or put 'em down, ban owners from keeping these status symbols
Muzzles make compulsory or put 'em down, ban owners from keeping these status symbols Carnabackable
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4:46pm Sat 5 Jan 13

purpleflower says...

I am a dog owner and agree with every dog to wear muzzles. Also, it would be a fab idea if the council could sort out a large dog park to prevent attacks


I wish the young girl a speedy recovery.
I am a dog owner and agree with every dog to wear muzzles. Also, it would be a fab idea if the council could sort out a large dog park to prevent attacks I wish the young girl a speedy recovery. purpleflower
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5:02pm Sat 5 Jan 13

hellen says...

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
[quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner. hellen
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5:05pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
Punish both, the moronic owner, and the blood thirsty mutt. Put the mutt to sleep fine/imprison the owner.
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]Punish both, the moronic owner, and the blood thirsty mutt. Put the mutt to sleep fine/imprison the owner. Carnabackable
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5:14pm Sat 5 Jan 13

EssexVicky says...

What's the guessing if it was a staffie type the breed of the dog would not have been reserved for the end of the article?
What's the guessing if it was a staffie type the breed of the dog would not have been reserved for the end of the article? EssexVicky
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5:19pm Sat 5 Jan 13

EssexVicky says...

Goes without saying that I hope the girl is ok
Goes without saying that I hope the girl is ok EssexVicky
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5:36pm Sat 5 Jan 13

psorias says...

EssexVicky wrote:
What's the guessing if it was a staffie type the breed of the dog would not have been reserved for the end of the article?
It says Labrador type never heard of one of them attacking before. I am a dog owner and only walk mine on a lead. I would not take the risk to let him off in public. I know I can only be sure with a dog on a lead. Really wish we had ball parks for dogs like in America. I too hope the little girl gets well soon.
[quote][p][bold]EssexVicky[/bold] wrote: What's the guessing if it was a staffie type the breed of the dog would not have been reserved for the end of the article?[/p][/quote]It says Labrador type never heard of one of them attacking before. I am a dog owner and only walk mine on a lead. I would not take the risk to let him off in public. I know I can only be sure with a dog on a lead. Really wish we had ball parks for dogs like in America. I too hope the little girl gets well soon. psorias
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5:37pm Sat 5 Jan 13

ShrimperSS0 says...

Having had a dog go for my arm while on my way to work am grateful the dog was muzzled. Would've been another story if it hadn't! Wish the young girl a speedy recovery.
Having had a dog go for my arm while on my way to work am grateful the dog was muzzled. Would've been another story if it hadn't! Wish the young girl a speedy recovery. ShrimperSS0
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5:48pm Sat 5 Jan 13

hellen says...

Carnabackable wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
Punish both, the moronic owner, and the blood thirsty mutt. Put the mutt to sleep fine/imprison the owner.
why are people so ignorant
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]Punish both, the moronic owner, and the blood thirsty mutt. Put the mutt to sleep fine/imprison the owner.[/p][/quote]why are people so ignorant hellen
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5:56pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

hellen wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
Punish both, the moronic owner, and the blood thirsty mutt. Put the mutt to sleep fine/imprison the owner.
why are people so ignorant
High time you removed your rose tinted glasses, A CHILD WAS MAULED
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]Punish both, the moronic owner, and the blood thirsty mutt. Put the mutt to sleep fine/imprison the owner.[/p][/quote]why are people so ignorant[/p][/quote]High time you removed your rose tinted glasses, A CHILD WAS MAULED Carnabackable
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6:07pm Sat 5 Jan 13

steve@eastwood says...

All dogs should be on a lead.
All dogs should be on a lead. steve@eastwood
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6:15pm Sat 5 Jan 13

madebysimon says...

I am a dog owner who keeps his dog on a lead at all times even when walking him at 6 in the morning, I agree that in public places such as streets and parks where the public are dogs should be kept on a lead.

I wish people would stop commenting unless they are in a position of all the facts the echo is known for printing false information and getting there information incorrect.

Why would a lab attack a child? was it being wound up? as always we will never know the true facts of the matter as all parents will say that there child was not doing anything wrong and the dog just attacked them for no good reason
I am a dog owner who keeps his dog on a lead at all times even when walking him at 6 in the morning, I agree that in public places such as streets and parks where the public are dogs should be kept on a lead. I wish people would stop commenting unless they are in a position of all the facts the echo is known for printing false information and getting there information incorrect. Why would a lab attack a child? was it being wound up? as always we will never know the true facts of the matter as all parents will say that there child was not doing anything wrong and the dog just attacked them for no good reason madebysimon
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6:21pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Muzzles make compulsory or put 'em down, ban owners from keeping these status symbols
It was a Labrador you muppet. Learn to read and comprehend what is written.
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Muzzles make compulsory or put 'em down, ban owners from keeping these status symbols[/p][/quote]It was a Labrador you muppet. Learn to read and comprehend what is written. Shoebury_Cyclist
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6:33pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Soouthchurch59 says...

'Muzzles make compulsory or put 'em down, ban owners from keeping these status symbols'

It's you that needs muzzling!
'Muzzles make compulsory or put 'em down, ban owners from keeping these status symbols' It's you that needs muzzling! Soouthchurch59
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6:40pm Sat 5 Jan 13

emcee says...

hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite. emcee
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7:12pm Sat 5 Jan 13

hellen says...

emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled. hellen
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7:16pm Sat 5 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

hellen wrote:
emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
we'd never have guesses you were a staffie owner (honest)
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.[/p][/quote]we'd never have guesses you were a staffie owner (honest) asbo. just the truth
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7:37pm Sat 5 Jan 13

hellen says...

asbo. just the truth wrote:
hellen wrote:
emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
we'd never have guesses you were a staffie owner (honest)
being sarcastic is another form of wit .
[quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.[/p][/quote]we'd never have guesses you were a staffie owner (honest)[/p][/quote]being sarcastic is another form of wit . hellen
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7:38pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

hellen wrote:
emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ?

It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.[/p][/quote]Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ? It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways Carnabackable
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7:40pm Sat 5 Jan 13

hellen says...

hellen wrote:
asbo. just the truth wrote:
hellen wrote:
emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
we'd never have guesses you were a staffie owner (honest)
being sarcastic is another form of wit .
you want to have a dig at humans and leave the animals alone
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.[/p][/quote]we'd never have guesses you were a staffie owner (honest)[/p][/quote]being sarcastic is another form of wit .[/p][/quote]you want to have a dig at humans and leave the animals alone hellen
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8:16pm Sat 5 Jan 13

mark-986 says...

Carnabackable wrote:
hellen wrote:
emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ?

It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways
i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.[/p][/quote]Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ? It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways[/p][/quote]i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them. mark-986
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9:06pm Sat 5 Jan 13

emcee says...

hellen wrote:
emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
Then you are Dr Dolittle and I claim my £5.
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.[/p][/quote]Then you are Dr Dolittle and I claim my £5. emcee
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9:15pm Sat 5 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

anyone who is a responsible dog owner should argue for muzzles. a leash is insufficient
anyone who is a responsible dog owner should argue for muzzles. a leash is insufficient asbo. just the truth
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9:17pm Sat 5 Jan 13

hadleighhag says...

Yes I'm a dog owner and also a mother. My dogs are never off the lead and I'll always stand aside to let others go by. I taught my children never to assume a dog is friendly and always ask the owner if it is ok to pet their dog. On the odd occasion they have had a resounding no whereas I've seen many parents let their children rush over to touch dogs they don't know. That being said my thoughts are with the little girl and her family ****
Yes I'm a dog owner and also a mother. My dogs are never off the lead and I'll always stand aside to let others go by. I taught my children never to assume a dog is friendly and always ask the owner if it is ok to pet their dog. On the odd occasion they have had a resounding no whereas I've seen many parents let their children rush over to touch dogs they don't know. That being said my thoughts are with the little girl and her family **** hadleighhag
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9:48pm Sat 5 Jan 13

bongking says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Muzzles make compulsory or put 'em down, ban owners from keeping these status symbols
i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Muzzles make compulsory or put 'em down, ban owners from keeping these status symbols[/p][/quote]i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!! bongking
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9:56pm Sat 5 Jan 13

bongking says...

asbo. just the truth wrote:
hellen wrote:
emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
we'd never have guesses you were a staffie owner (honest)
all Dogs can be unpredictable, it all depends on the event, what will make a dog bite!!!
[quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.[/p][/quote]we'd never have guesses you were a staffie owner (honest)[/p][/quote]all Dogs can be unpredictable, it all depends on the event, what will make a dog bite!!! bongking
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9:57pm Sat 5 Jan 13

bongking says...

hellen wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
Punish both, the moronic owner, and the blood thirsty mutt. Put the mutt to sleep fine/imprison the owner.
why are people so ignorant
all Dogs can be unpredictable, it all depends on the event, what will make a dog bite!!!
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]Punish both, the moronic owner, and the blood thirsty mutt. Put the mutt to sleep fine/imprison the owner.[/p][/quote]why are people so ignorant[/p][/quote]all Dogs can be unpredictable, it all depends on the event, what will make a dog bite!!! bongking
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10:00pm Sat 5 Jan 13

bongking says...

mark-986 wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
hellen wrote:
emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ?

It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways
i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.
i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]mark-986[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.[/p][/quote]Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ? It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways[/p][/quote]i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.[/p][/quote]i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!! bongking
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10:15pm Sat 5 Jan 13

TheStraightTalker says...

Carnabackable wrote:
hellen wrote:
emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ?

It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways
You must b a child or an adult with a very low I q and poor education to say such stupid things. Not all dog owners are irresponsible and is very unusual for that type of dog to bite someone without a good reason.with all your sarcastic comments I noticed you forgot to wish the little girl a speedy recoverywhich just about sums you up.....
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.[/p][/quote]Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ? It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways[/p][/quote]You must b a child or an adult with a very low I q and poor education to say such stupid things. Not all dog owners are irresponsible and is very unusual for that type of dog to bite someone without a good reason.with all your sarcastic comments I noticed you forgot to wish the little girl a speedy recoverywhich just about sums you up..... TheStraightTalker
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10:52pm Sat 5 Jan 13

mark-986 says...

bongking wrote:
mark-986 wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
hellen wrote:
emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ?

It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways
i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.
i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!!
my dog will never be muzzled it stays on a lead that is enough. it's the kids who run over to my dog that needs to be controlled. all due to bad parenting.
[quote][p][bold]bongking[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark-986[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.[/p][/quote]Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ? It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways[/p][/quote]i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.[/p][/quote]i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!![/p][/quote]my dog will never be muzzled it stays on a lead that is enough. it's the kids who run over to my dog that needs to be controlled. all due to bad parenting. mark-986
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11:05pm Sat 5 Jan 13

wishblossom says...

mark-986 wrote:
bongking wrote:
mark-986 wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
hellen wrote:
emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ?

It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways
i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.
i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!!
my dog will never be muzzled it stays on a lead that is enough. it's the kids who run over to my dog that needs to be controlled. all due to bad parenting.
I have a husky and a lab and agree dogs should be kept on a lead but not muzzled.

Also agree that the council should have dog parks only. And all dogs can turn that's true but so can humans!!
[quote][p][bold]mark-986[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bongking[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark-986[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.[/p][/quote]Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ? It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways[/p][/quote]i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.[/p][/quote]i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!![/p][/quote]my dog will never be muzzled it stays on a lead that is enough. it's the kids who run over to my dog that needs to be controlled. all due to bad parenting.[/p][/quote]I have a husky and a lab and agree dogs should be kept on a lead but not muzzled. Also agree that the council should have dog parks only. And all dogs can turn that's true but so can humans!! wishblossom
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11:12pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Almeda11 says...

mark-986 wrote:
bongking wrote:
mark-986 wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
hellen wrote:
emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ? It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways
i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.
i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!!
my dog will never be muzzled it stays on a lead that is enough. it's the kids who run over to my dog that needs to be controlled. all due to bad parenting.
lt isn`t always the kids running over to the dogs, often it`s the reverse. l was in Chalkwell park recently, and there was a young mother with her two little girls, about 4 and 5 years old.
Two people with their dogs off the lead, and one of these dogs ran up and almost knocked the pair over. The stupid owner didn`t even apologise,just said " it`s alright, he won`t hurt you" and the mother said nothing! unbelievable, if that had happened to me l would have had quite a lot to say about it, these owners need educating, in common sense, respect and courtesy!
[quote][p][bold]mark-986[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bongking[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark-986[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.[/p][/quote]Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ? It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways[/p][/quote]i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.[/p][/quote]i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!![/p][/quote]my dog will never be muzzled it stays on a lead that is enough. it's the kids who run over to my dog that needs to be controlled. all due to bad parenting.[/p][/quote]lt isn`t always the kids running over to the dogs, often it`s the reverse. l was in Chalkwell park recently, and there was a young mother with her two little girls, about 4 and 5 years old. Two people with their dogs off the lead, and one of these dogs ran up and almost knocked the pair over. The stupid owner didn`t even apologise,just said " it`s alright, he won`t hurt you" and the mother said nothing! unbelievable, if that had happened to me l would have had quite a lot to say about it, these owners need educating, in common sense, respect and courtesy! Almeda11
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11:14pm Sat 5 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

Almeda11 wrote:
mark-986 wrote:
bongking wrote:
mark-986 wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
hellen wrote:
emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ? It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways
i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.
i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!!
my dog will never be muzzled it stays on a lead that is enough. it's the kids who run over to my dog that needs to be controlled. all due to bad parenting.
lt isn`t always the kids running over to the dogs, often it`s the reverse. l was in Chalkwell park recently, and there was a young mother with her two little girls, about 4 and 5 years old.
Two people with their dogs off the lead, and one of these dogs ran up and almost knocked the pair over. The stupid owner didn`t even apologise,just said " it`s alright, he won`t hurt you" and the mother said nothing! unbelievable, if that had happened to me l would have had quite a lot to say about it, these owners need educating, in common sense, respect and courtesy!
there is no debate. a muzzle is not an imposition on the dog.
[quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark-986[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bongking[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark-986[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.[/p][/quote]Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ? It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways[/p][/quote]i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.[/p][/quote]i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!![/p][/quote]my dog will never be muzzled it stays on a lead that is enough. it's the kids who run over to my dog that needs to be controlled. all due to bad parenting.[/p][/quote]lt isn`t always the kids running over to the dogs, often it`s the reverse. l was in Chalkwell park recently, and there was a young mother with her two little girls, about 4 and 5 years old. Two people with their dogs off the lead, and one of these dogs ran up and almost knocked the pair over. The stupid owner didn`t even apologise,just said " it`s alright, he won`t hurt you" and the mother said nothing! unbelievable, if that had happened to me l would have had quite a lot to say about it, these owners need educating, in common sense, respect and courtesy![/p][/quote]there is no debate. a muzzle is not an imposition on the dog. asbo. just the truth
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12:21am Sun 6 Jan 13

jenessex says...

ok lets handcuff all humans incase the steal if we are going to muzzle dogs incase they bite! anyone would think humans are perfect. my thoughts are with the girls family but some of the comments on here a stupied. do we live in a world of what if's????
ok lets handcuff all humans incase the steal if we are going to muzzle dogs incase they bite! anyone would think humans are perfect. my thoughts are with the girls family but some of the comments on here a stupied. do we live in a world of what if's???? jenessex
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5:37am Sun 6 Jan 13

LeighNorton says...

First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery. However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk. In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year. As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog. To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph. LeighNorton
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7:07am Sun 6 Jan 13

Essex Medja says...

LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.
best wishes for the child.
.
Good to see that you put a childs life before your need to own a mobile faeces machine.
[quote][p][bold]LeighNorton[/bold] wrote: First I wish this girl a speedy recovery. However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk. In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year. As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog. To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.[/p][/quote]best wishes for the child. . Good to see that you put a childs life before your need to own a mobile faeces machine. Essex Medja
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8:57am Sun 6 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.
Exactly. So many commenters here reacting out of all proportion.
[quote][p][bold]LeighNorton[/bold] wrote: First I wish this girl a speedy recovery. However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk. In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year. As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog. To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.[/p][/quote]Exactly. So many commenters here reacting out of all proportion. Shoebury_Cyclist
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10:14am Sun 6 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.
an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.
[quote][p][bold]LeighNorton[/bold] wrote: First I wish this girl a speedy recovery. However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk. In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year. As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog. To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.[/p][/quote]an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag. asbo. just the truth
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10:15am Sun 6 Jan 13

Jb2013 says...

hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong.... I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned! Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know.... I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike... Jb2013
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10:28am Sun 6 Jan 13

LeighNorton says...

Essex Medja wrote:
LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.
best wishes for the child.
.
Good to see that you put a childs life before your need to own a mobile faeces machine.
Essex Medja wrote:Good to see that you put a childs life before your need to own a mobile faeces machine.


Your emotive description isn't adding anything to the debate especially as it fits a human child just as well as a dog.

You don't seem to understand the point I was making - there are literally thousands of things we do every day which put others at very low risk of serious consequences. We have to balance our freedom to live our lives against the risks we impose on others (and ourselves). If there are things we can reasonably do to reduce the risk we should do them but only when the cost or effort is proportionate to the risk. For example 1000 people in the UK die a year from falling down stairs (so unless you live in a single story dwelling, you are 500 times more likely to kill a child than a dog owner). If we have children, we use a stair gate as they are cheap and easily available. We don't go to the extreme of permanently blocking up the staircase of all multi-storey properties as this would be an over-reaction. In the same way, we shouldn't ban dogs or insist all dogs be permanently muzzled - we can use a muzzle when appropriate though.
[quote][p][bold]Essex Medja[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeighNorton[/bold] wrote: First I wish this girl a speedy recovery. However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk. In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year. As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog. To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.[/p][/quote]best wishes for the child. . Good to see that you put a childs life before your need to own a mobile faeces machine.[/p][/quote][quote][p][bold]Essex Medja[/bold] wrote:[/p]Good to see that you put a childs life before your need to own a mobile faeces machine.[/quote] Your emotive description isn't adding anything to the debate especially as it fits a human child just as well as a dog. You don't seem to understand the point I was making - there are literally thousands of things we do every day which put others at very low risk of serious consequences. We have to balance our freedom to live our lives against the risks we impose on others (and ourselves). If there are things we can reasonably do to reduce the risk we should do them but only when the cost or effort is proportionate to the risk. For example 1000 people in the UK die a year from falling down stairs (so unless you live in a single story dwelling, you are 500 times more likely to kill a child than a dog owner). If we have children, we use a stair gate as they are cheap and easily available. We don't go to the extreme of permanently blocking up the staircase of all multi-storey properties as this would be an over-reaction. In the same way, we shouldn't ban dogs or insist all dogs be permanently muzzled - we can use a muzzle when appropriate though. LeighNorton
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10:31am Sun 6 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

asbo. just the truth wrote:
LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.
an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.
The analogy is spot on. People failing to correctly control dogs can result in injury or death to others, likewise people failing to correctly control cars results in injury and death to others. The red flag man would be the equivalent of a muzzle.
[quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeighNorton[/bold] wrote: First I wish this girl a speedy recovery. However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk. In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year. As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog. To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.[/p][/quote]an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.[/p][/quote]The analogy is spot on. People failing to correctly control dogs can result in injury or death to others, likewise people failing to correctly control cars results in injury and death to others. The red flag man would be the equivalent of a muzzle. Shoebury_Cyclist
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10:34am Sun 6 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

asbo. just the truth wrote:
LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.
an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.
The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct.
[quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeighNorton[/bold] wrote: First I wish this girl a speedy recovery. However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk. In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year. As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog. To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.[/p][/quote]an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.[/p][/quote]The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct. Shoebury_Cyclist
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10:38am Sun 6 Jan 13

LeighNorton says...

LeighNorton wrote: To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year. As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog. To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.


asbo. just the truth wrote: an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.


No the analogy is fair - driving over 4mph is putting the lives of others at risk. Wearing a seatbelt only reduces the risk to you and your passengers.
[quote][p][bold]LeighNorton[/bold] wrote: To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year. As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog. To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.[/p][/quote] [quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.[/p][/quote] No the analogy is fair - driving over 4mph is putting the lives of others at risk. Wearing a seatbelt only reduces the risk to you and your passengers. LeighNorton
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10:52am Sun 6 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
asbo. just the truth wrote:
LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.
an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.
The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct.
no there is overkill which is ban all dogs (the red flag) and there is use of sensible, available safety features which are no impingement on the dog - leash and muzzle (the seatbelt)
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeighNorton[/bold] wrote: First I wish this girl a speedy recovery. However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk. In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year. As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog. To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.[/p][/quote]an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.[/p][/quote]The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct.[/p][/quote]no there is overkill which is ban all dogs (the red flag) and there is use of sensible, available safety features which are no impingement on the dog - leash and muzzle (the seatbelt) asbo. just the truth
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11:01am Sun 6 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

if owners refuse to muzzle their dog (which is no impingement on the dog) they must underwrite (financially) the liability of their dog. permanent facial scarring would not come cheap.
if owners refuse to muzzle their dog (which is no impingement on the dog) they must underwrite (financially) the liability of their dog. permanent facial scarring would not come cheap. asbo. just the truth
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11:34am Sun 6 Jan 13

Keptquiettillnow says...

Partly to blame the owners, and partly to blame is the council for not setting aside parts of parks, the beach etc for dog walking. All other tims dogs should be on leads, no excuses.
Partly to blame the owners, and partly to blame is the council for not setting aside parts of parks, the beach etc for dog walking. All other tims dogs should be on leads, no excuses. Keptquiettillnow
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11:35am Sun 6 Jan 13

LeighNorton says...

asbo. just the truth wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
asbo. just the truth wrote:
LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.
an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.
The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct.
no there is overkill which is ban all dogs (the red flag) and there is use of sensible, available safety features which are no impingement on the dog - leash and muzzle (the seatbelt)
Muzzling a dog is of course an impingement on both dog and owner. There is the cost and time putting the muzzle on and off for the owner and the dog may be frightened by the expereince and is unable to pick up a stick or ball. More seriously, most muzzle designs prevent drinking which dogs need to do regularly. However, in situations where there is a reasonable chance the dog might get itself into trouble or where it would be allowed greater freedom that would otherwise be reasonable it may be better for the dog to be muzzled - these things are not black & white and each situation has to be considered individually. No one is trying to minimise the impact of being attacked by a dog - just pointing out that the chance of it happening is low.

Around 36 children are killed each year by thier parents. Should we ban parenthood altogether or make it compulsory for all parents to be monitored 24/7 by a live-in government official? That would save 18 times as many children as compulsory muzzling.

Re: the motoring analogy. Reducing the speed limit to 20mph in urban areas and 30mph everywhere else would likely reduce the number of road deaths by 90% as speed is the biggest factor in road fatalities. 40mph would be too high - the chance of being killed is 4 times greater at 40mph than 30mph. It could certainly be done and would be analogous to muzzling dogs in your argument.
[quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeighNorton[/bold] wrote: First I wish this girl a speedy recovery. However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk. In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year. As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog. To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.[/p][/quote]an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.[/p][/quote]The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct.[/p][/quote]no there is overkill which is ban all dogs (the red flag) and there is use of sensible, available safety features which are no impingement on the dog - leash and muzzle (the seatbelt)[/p][/quote]Muzzling a dog is of course an impingement on both dog and owner. There is the cost and time putting the muzzle on and off for the owner and the dog may be frightened by the expereince and is unable to pick up a stick or ball. More seriously, most muzzle designs prevent drinking which dogs need to do regularly. However, in situations where there is a reasonable chance the dog might get itself into trouble or where it would be allowed greater freedom that would otherwise be reasonable it may be better for the dog to be muzzled - these things are not black & white and each situation has to be considered individually. No one is trying to minimise the impact of being attacked by a dog - just pointing out that the chance of it happening is low. Around 36 children are killed each year by thier parents. Should we ban parenthood altogether or make it compulsory for all parents to be monitored 24/7 by a live-in government official? That would save 18 times as many children as compulsory muzzling. Re: the motoring analogy. Reducing the speed limit to 20mph in urban areas and 30mph everywhere else would likely reduce the number of road deaths by 90% as speed is the biggest factor in road fatalities. 40mph would be too high - the chance of being killed is 4 times greater at 40mph than 30mph. It could certainly be done and would be analogous to muzzling dogs in your argument. LeighNorton
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11:37am Sun 6 Jan 13

LeighNorton says...

asbo. just the truth wrote:
if owners refuse to muzzle their dog (which is no impingement on the dog) they must underwrite (financially) the liability of their dog. permanent facial scarring would not come cheap.
That is just your opinion. The law will take into account whether the dog owner acted reasonably.
[quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: if owners refuse to muzzle their dog (which is no impingement on the dog) they must underwrite (financially) the liability of their dog. permanent facial scarring would not come cheap.[/p][/quote]That is just your opinion. The law will take into account whether the dog owner acted reasonably. LeighNorton
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11:39am Sun 6 Jan 13

Keptquiettillnow says...

If you want to see how dog owners have ruined a once lovely park go to Gunners Park in the summer and try and eat a sandwich without being surrounded by bluebottles. Dog mess and dogs off the lead all around.
If you want to see how dog owners have ruined a once lovely park go to Gunners Park in the summer and try and eat a sandwich without being surrounded by bluebottles. Dog mess and dogs off the lead all around. Keptquiettillnow
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11:40am Sun 6 Jan 13

smithy741 says...

We need to muzzle some humans and some of you on here the keyboard warriors who sre no better behaved than the chavs in our society. I love the way you give your opinion but then start having a go at women and and staffie owners, seriously internet trolls like yourself have serious issues. I hope the girl is okay and makes a speedy recovery. As a staffie owner myself I don't let children touch my dogs while out not because I think they will bite but im a responsible dog owner and wouldnt put myself, any children or dogs in any unwanted situation. If the law says we need to muzzle our dogs then I would do it but I don't believe it will ever happen, you still get pitbulls walking around and the breed was banned about 20 years ago. The problem is chavs that use this misunderstood breed as weapons. I will now get slagged off by the trolls on here about how I'm a chav because I'm a staff owner, but as I said earlier you need to look at your opinions on here its pathetic and you are behaving no better than the scum in our society. How about putting all your keyboard anger and skills in to help changing the law on dog breeding and protecting children and dogs from humans because that is where the blame is.
We need to muzzle some humans and some of you on here the keyboard warriors who sre no better behaved than the chavs in our society. I love the way you give your opinion but then start having a go at women and and staffie owners, seriously internet trolls like yourself have serious issues. I hope the girl is okay and makes a speedy recovery. As a staffie owner myself I don't let children touch my dogs while out not because I think they will bite but im a responsible dog owner and wouldnt put myself, any children or dogs in any unwanted situation. If the law says we need to muzzle our dogs then I would do it but I don't believe it will ever happen, you still get pitbulls walking around and the breed was banned about 20 years ago. The problem is chavs that use this misunderstood breed as weapons. I will now get slagged off by the trolls on here about how I'm a chav because I'm a staff owner, but as I said earlier you need to look at your opinions on here its pathetic and you are behaving no better than the scum in our society. How about putting all your keyboard anger and skills in to help changing the law on dog breeding and protecting children and dogs from humans because that is where the blame is. smithy741
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11:46am Sun 6 Jan 13

smithy741 says...

Jb2013 wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...
Thank you jb2013 good to read a comment from someone who actually see it, of course the dog hating brigade will still blame the dog. I wish the girl a speedy recovery and lets hope a lesson was learnt by all involved including the dog owner.
[quote][p][bold]Jb2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong.... I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned! Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know.... I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...[/p][/quote]Thank you jb2013 good to read a comment from someone who actually see it, of course the dog hating brigade will still blame the dog. I wish the girl a speedy recovery and lets hope a lesson was learnt by all involved including the dog owner. smithy741
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11:47am Sun 6 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

asbo. just the truth wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
asbo. just the truth wrote:
LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.
an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.
The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct.
no there is overkill which is ban all dogs (the red flag) and there is use of sensible, available safety features which are no impingement on the dog - leash and muzzle (the seatbelt)
The red flag doesn't ban all cars, it severely limits the possibility of them harming others, just like a muzzle doesn't ban all dogs, it strictly limits the possibility of them harming others.

The analogy is spot on.
[quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeighNorton[/bold] wrote: First I wish this girl a speedy recovery. However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk. In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year. As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog. To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.[/p][/quote]an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.[/p][/quote]The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct.[/p][/quote]no there is overkill which is ban all dogs (the red flag) and there is use of sensible, available safety features which are no impingement on the dog - leash and muzzle (the seatbelt)[/p][/quote]The red flag doesn't ban all cars, it severely limits the possibility of them harming others, just like a muzzle doesn't ban all dogs, it strictly limits the possibility of them harming others. The analogy is spot on. Shoebury_Cyclist
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11:48am Sun 6 Jan 13

LeighNorton says...

Keptquiettillnow wrote:
Partly to blame the owners, and partly to blame is the council for not setting aside parts of parks, the beach etc for dog walking. All other tims dogs should be on leads, no excuses.
Most beaches don't allow dogs at all except out of season but I agree there should be more designated areas where you can take a dog.

I can't agree with keeping dogs on leads at all times. In many situations, it is perfectly safe for a dog to be off-lead. This will vary with each dog, owner and situation. I can't find any reliable statistics, but I'm sure the majority of incidents are caused by irresponsible owners (someone referred to them as 'chavs with status dogs' - I don't like the description we I think we all know what is meant by this). It seems unfair to penalise responsible dog owners for the actions of an irresponsible minority.
[quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: Partly to blame the owners, and partly to blame is the council for not setting aside parts of parks, the beach etc for dog walking. All other tims dogs should be on leads, no excuses.[/p][/quote]Most beaches don't allow dogs at all except out of season but I agree there should be more designated areas where you can take a dog. I can't agree with keeping dogs on leads at all times. In many situations, it is perfectly safe for a dog to be off-lead. This will vary with each dog, owner and situation. I can't find any reliable statistics, but I'm sure the majority of incidents are caused by irresponsible owners (someone referred to them as 'chavs with status dogs' - I don't like the description we I think we all know what is meant by this). It seems unfair to penalise responsible dog owners for the actions of an irresponsible minority. LeighNorton
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11:54am Sun 6 Jan 13

LeighNorton says...

Keptquiettillnow wrote:
If you want to see how dog owners have ruined a once lovely park go to Gunners Park in the summer and try and eat a sandwich without being surrounded by bluebottles. Dog mess and dogs off the lead all around.
I quite agree with this - dog owners should always pick up. Unfortunately, many local parks have banned dogs for this reason but it hasn't solved the problem - law abiding dog owners stay away while those who don't pick up ignore the ban and continue to leave a mess behind.
[quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: If you want to see how dog owners have ruined a once lovely park go to Gunners Park in the summer and try and eat a sandwich without being surrounded by bluebottles. Dog mess and dogs off the lead all around.[/p][/quote]I quite agree with this - dog owners should always pick up. Unfortunately, many local parks have banned dogs for this reason but it hasn't solved the problem - law abiding dog owners stay away while those who don't pick up ignore the ban and continue to leave a mess behind. LeighNorton
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12:10pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Keptquiettillnow wrote:
If you want to see how dog owners have ruined a once lovely park go to Gunners Park in the summer and try and eat a sandwich without being surrounded by bluebottles. Dog mess and dogs off the lead all around.
That, and the fact that despite all their promises the Garrison developers have failed to replace the land they built on. Instead there is a large stagnant pond, glass strewn paths and grassland, and yes, dog mess everywhere.
[quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: If you want to see how dog owners have ruined a once lovely park go to Gunners Park in the summer and try and eat a sandwich without being surrounded by bluebottles. Dog mess and dogs off the lead all around.[/p][/quote]That, and the fact that despite all their promises the Garrison developers have failed to replace the land they built on. Instead there is a large stagnant pond, glass strewn paths and grassland, and yes, dog mess everywhere. Shoebury_Cyclist
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12:41pm Sun 6 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
asbo. just the truth wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
asbo. just the truth wrote:
LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.
an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.
The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct.
no there is overkill which is ban all dogs (the red flag) and there is use of sensible, available safety features which are no impingement on the dog - leash and muzzle (the seatbelt)
The red flag doesn't ban all cars, it severely limits the possibility of them harming others, just like a muzzle doesn't ban all dogs, it strictly limits the possibility of them harming others.

The analogy is spot on.
in theory it doesn't but in practice it does - who would bother with a car that only travelled 4mph - quicker to walk.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeighNorton[/bold] wrote: First I wish this girl a speedy recovery. However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk. In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year. As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog. To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.[/p][/quote]an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.[/p][/quote]The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct.[/p][/quote]no there is overkill which is ban all dogs (the red flag) and there is use of sensible, available safety features which are no impingement on the dog - leash and muzzle (the seatbelt)[/p][/quote]The red flag doesn't ban all cars, it severely limits the possibility of them harming others, just like a muzzle doesn't ban all dogs, it strictly limits the possibility of them harming others. The analogy is spot on.[/p][/quote]in theory it doesn't but in practice it does - who would bother with a car that only travelled 4mph - quicker to walk. asbo. just the truth
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12:45pm Sun 6 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

LeighNorton wrote:
asbo. just the truth wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
asbo. just the truth wrote:
LeighNorton wrote:
First I wish this girl a speedy recovery.

However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk.

In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year.

As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog.

To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.
an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.
The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct.
no there is overkill which is ban all dogs (the red flag) and there is use of sensible, available safety features which are no impingement on the dog - leash and muzzle (the seatbelt)
Muzzling a dog is of course an impingement on both dog and owner. There is the cost and time putting the muzzle on and off for the owner and the dog may be frightened by the expereince and is unable to pick up a stick or ball. More seriously, most muzzle designs prevent drinking which dogs need to do regularly. However, in situations where there is a reasonable chance the dog might get itself into trouble or where it would be allowed greater freedom that would otherwise be reasonable it may be better for the dog to be muzzled - these things are not black & white and each situation has to be considered individually. No one is trying to minimise the impact of being attacked by a dog - just pointing out that the chance of it happening is low.

Around 36 children are killed each year by thier parents. Should we ban parenthood altogether or make it compulsory for all parents to be monitored 24/7 by a live-in government official? That would save 18 times as many children as compulsory muzzling.

Re: the motoring analogy. Reducing the speed limit to 20mph in urban areas and 30mph everywhere else would likely reduce the number of road deaths by 90% as speed is the biggest factor in road fatalities. 40mph would be too high - the chance of being killed is 4 times greater at 40mph than 30mph. It could certainly be done and would be analogous to muzzling dogs in your argument.
well you are spot on re speed and i agree with that analogy. as to the additional hassle for the owner of a muzzle - this is not onerous and if you feel it is that goes with the territory. i don't buy stress to dog. any concern is overcome the second time out when the dog equates the muzzle with a walk as they do with the leash.
[quote][p][bold]LeighNorton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeighNorton[/bold] wrote: First I wish this girl a speedy recovery. However, the reaction to this is quite disproportionate. Many things in life carry risk. In the UK, around 6000 people are injured and 2 people killed a year by dogs. More people are injured by kettles than dogs (7000). To really put things in context, around 200000 people are injured and 2000 killed in road traffic accidents each year. As it is 1000 times more likely to kill an innocent stranger, unless you are prepared to give up your car, you have no right to ask anyone else to give up their dog. To those who say muzzle all dogs, I say bring back the man with the red flag who walks in front of your car to ensure you don't exceed 4mph.[/p][/quote]an incorrect analogy. try using the seatbelt instead of the red flag.[/p][/quote]The red flag man in front of a car is the equivalent of a dog muzzle. The analogy is correct.[/p][/quote]no there is overkill which is ban all dogs (the red flag) and there is use of sensible, available safety features which are no impingement on the dog - leash and muzzle (the seatbelt)[/p][/quote]Muzzling a dog is of course an impingement on both dog and owner. There is the cost and time putting the muzzle on and off for the owner and the dog may be frightened by the expereince and is unable to pick up a stick or ball. More seriously, most muzzle designs prevent drinking which dogs need to do regularly. However, in situations where there is a reasonable chance the dog might get itself into trouble or where it would be allowed greater freedom that would otherwise be reasonable it may be better for the dog to be muzzled - these things are not black & white and each situation has to be considered individually. No one is trying to minimise the impact of being attacked by a dog - just pointing out that the chance of it happening is low. Around 36 children are killed each year by thier parents. Should we ban parenthood altogether or make it compulsory for all parents to be monitored 24/7 by a live-in government official? That would save 18 times as many children as compulsory muzzling. Re: the motoring analogy. Reducing the speed limit to 20mph in urban areas and 30mph everywhere else would likely reduce the number of road deaths by 90% as speed is the biggest factor in road fatalities. 40mph would be too high - the chance of being killed is 4 times greater at 40mph than 30mph. It could certainly be done and would be analogous to muzzling dogs in your argument.[/p][/quote]well you are spot on re speed and i agree with that analogy. as to the additional hassle for the owner of a muzzle - this is not onerous and if you feel it is that goes with the territory. i don't buy stress to dog. any concern is overcome the second time out when the dog equates the muzzle with a walk as they do with the leash. asbo. just the truth
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12:47pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Seasider90 says...

Notice the responsible dog owners agree that all dogs should be muzzled in public. Then there's the "my little pooch is an angel and would never hurt a fly" attitudes from people with half a brain and even a comment blaming kids for going near dogs. Shoebury East Beach is one big dog toilet yet families with kids crowd the place in summer. Southend council should be sued if any child gets ill from dog mess - can you believe this does not come under an environmental health issue?
Notice the responsible dog owners agree that all dogs should be muzzled in public. Then there's the "my little pooch is an angel and would never hurt a fly" attitudes from people with half a brain and even a comment blaming kids for going near dogs. Shoebury East Beach is one big dog toilet yet families with kids crowd the place in summer. Southend council should be sued if any child gets ill from dog mess - can you believe this does not come under an environmental health issue? Seasider90
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12:51pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Essex Medja says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Keptquiettillnow wrote:
If you want to see how dog owners have ruined a once lovely park go to Gunners Park in the summer and try and eat a sandwich without being surrounded by bluebottles. Dog mess and dogs off the lead all around.
That, and the fact that despite all their promises the Garrison developers have failed to replace the land they built on. Instead there is a large stagnant pond, glass strewn paths and grassland, and yes, dog mess everywhere.
Same for east beach and ALL our parks, they are covered in dog SH&%t.
.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keptquiettillnow[/bold] wrote: If you want to see how dog owners have ruined a once lovely park go to Gunners Park in the summer and try and eat a sandwich without being surrounded by bluebottles. Dog mess and dogs off the lead all around.[/p][/quote]That, and the fact that despite all their promises the Garrison developers have failed to replace the land they built on. Instead there is a large stagnant pond, glass strewn paths and grassland, and yes, dog mess everywhere.[/p][/quote]Same for east beach and ALL our parks, they are covered in dog SH&%t. . Essex Medja
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12:51pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Seasider90 wrote:
Notice the responsible dog owners agree that all dogs should be muzzled in public. Then there's the "my little pooch is an angel and would never hurt a fly" attitudes from people with half a brain and even a comment blaming kids for going near dogs. Shoebury East Beach is one big dog toilet yet families with kids crowd the place in summer. Southend council should be sued if any child gets ill from dog mess - can you believe this does not come under an environmental health issue?
What about all the bird mess, should the council be sued for that too? And then there's people who p*ss in the sea, should the council be sued for that? And then there, the millions of fish and the millions of crabs and all the shellfish that all crap in the sea and on the beaches, should the council be sued for that too?
[quote][p][bold]Seasider90[/bold] wrote: Notice the responsible dog owners agree that all dogs should be muzzled in public. Then there's the "my little pooch is an angel and would never hurt a fly" attitudes from people with half a brain and even a comment blaming kids for going near dogs. Shoebury East Beach is one big dog toilet yet families with kids crowd the place in summer. Southend council should be sued if any child gets ill from dog mess - can you believe this does not come under an environmental health issue?[/p][/quote]What about all the bird mess, should the council be sued for that too? And then there's people who p*ss in the sea, should the council be sued for that? And then there, the millions of fish and the millions of crabs and all the shellfish that all crap in the sea and on the beaches, should the council be sued for that too? Shoebury_Cyclist
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1:32pm Sun 6 Jan 13

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
Yeah right, so it was the dog owner that mauled the girl then.
[quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]Yeah right, so it was the dog owner that mauled the girl then. DogsMessInLeigh
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1:39pm Sun 6 Jan 13

DogsMessInLeigh says...

hellen wrote:
emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
Taught them to be nice to people..? how funny.
way too much dogs s**t around too hope you pick it all up including the sloppy stuff.
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.[/p][/quote]Taught them to be nice to people..? how funny. way too much dogs s**t around too hope you pick it all up including the sloppy stuff. DogsMessInLeigh
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2:26pm Sun 6 Jan 13

hellen says...

smithy741 wrote:
Jb2013 wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...
Thank you jb2013 good to read a comment from someone who actually see it, of course the dog hating brigade will still blame the dog. I wish the girl a speedy recovery and lets hope a lesson was learnt by all involved including the dog owner.
Having read most of the comments, I have a few things to add. Labradors rarely attack. They must be under extreme stress to do so. I have been around labs for over 50years and at times we have had three at any one time. Labs, like all other dogs need to be trained, To sit, stay etc etc. All dogs need to be trained. As regards to the muzzling. WHY!!!!! I have a wee dog {by the way I'm using my friends pc - my name in Heather} He was trained to do as told from a pup. I take him to the park everyday and he is not allowed to run up to people and especially children. However I cant say the same for parents. I know I have a well trained wee dog, other people dont, so why do they allow their kids to run up and try to touch him. I am always saying NO! STOP! You dont know me or my dog, I do allow them to stroke him but only after they have asked me. I wouldn't go up to someone and touch their dog, kid or whatever. As for muzzling, dont be so blooding stupid. It would only be the responsible dog owners that would use a muzzle. The beach, well dont get me started on that. Dog owners are only allowed to use the beach with their dog from Oct to end of march, I take him down there, he has a wee run and I clean up after him. What a pity other folk dont clean up after themselves, we have come across used sanitary ware, cans, broken bottles and other rubbish. I have also been castigated for being on the beach by folk who are down there with their kids. Why is that, its our time for taking pets to the beach. Regarding parks, why should we have to put our dogs on a lead, I dont ask that parents put their kids on reins. They run all over the place, shouting, screaming, banging into you, using bikes and scooters, coming up behind you and barging past. The end result is always going to be the same. They're shouldn't be an us and them, we all have good days and bad, some irresponsible parents, some irresponsible dog owners, some badly behaved children and dogs. That life and unless you want to opt out of it, thats hows its always going to be. The wee girl, well it doesn't say how badly she was hurt, I do hope it wasn't too bad and on behalf of responsible dog owners, I am so very very sorry that this has happened to you. I hope you get better soon.
[quote][p][bold]smithy741[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jb2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong.... I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned! Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know.... I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...[/p][/quote]Thank you jb2013 good to read a comment from someone who actually see it, of course the dog hating brigade will still blame the dog. I wish the girl a speedy recovery and lets hope a lesson was learnt by all involved including the dog owner.[/p][/quote]Having read most of the comments, I have a few things to add. Labradors rarely attack. They must be under extreme stress to do so. I have been around labs for over 50years and at times we have had three at any one time. Labs, like all other dogs need to be trained, To sit, stay etc etc. All dogs need to be trained. As regards to the muzzling. WHY!!!!! I have a wee dog {by the way I'm using my friends pc - my name in Heather} He was trained to do as told from a pup. I take him to the park everyday and he is not allowed to run up to people and especially children. However I cant say the same for parents. I know I have a well trained wee dog, other people dont, so why do they allow their kids to run up and try to touch him. I am always saying NO! STOP! You dont know me or my dog, I do allow them to stroke him but only after they have asked me. I wouldn't go up to someone and touch their dog, kid or whatever. As for muzzling, dont be so blooding stupid. It would only be the responsible dog owners that would use a muzzle. The beach, well dont get me started on that. Dog owners are only allowed to use the beach with their dog from Oct to end of march, I take him down there, he has a wee run and I clean up after him. What a pity other folk dont clean up after themselves, we have come across used sanitary ware, cans, broken bottles and other rubbish. I have also been castigated for being on the beach by folk who are down there with their kids. Why is that, its our time for taking pets to the beach. Regarding parks, why should we have to put our dogs on a lead, I dont ask that parents put their kids on reins. They [ the kids] run all over the place, shouting, screaming, banging into you, using bikes and scooters, coming up behind you and barging past. The end result is always going to be the same. They're shouldn't be an us and them, we all have good days and bad, some irresponsible parents, some irresponsible dog owners, some badly behaved children and dogs. That life and unless you want to opt out of it, thats hows its always going to be. The wee girl, well it doesn't say how badly she was hurt, I do hope it wasn't too bad and on behalf of responsible dog owners, I am so very very sorry that this has happened to you. I hope you get better soon. hellen
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2:29pm Sun 6 Jan 13

hellen says...

The evening echo, should have reported responsibly, giving all details especially how badly the wee girl was injured. And yes I am a scot,
The evening echo, should have reported responsibly, giving all details especially how badly the wee girl was injured. And yes I am a scot, hellen
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2:49pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
Yeah right, so it was the dog owner that mauled the girl then.
I don't see any mention of 'mauling' in the story. I see a sensationalist headline, a lot of unsubstantiated supposition and kneejerk reactions in the comments, but no mention of 'mauling'.
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]Yeah right, so it was the dog owner that mauled the girl then.[/p][/quote]I don't see any mention of 'mauling' in the story. I see a sensationalist headline, a lot of unsubstantiated supposition and kneejerk reactions in the comments, but no mention of 'mauling'. Shoebury_Cyclist
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3:52pm Sun 6 Jan 13

mattyc404 says...

Jb2013 wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...
Right just so everyone knows our little girl is ok and should make a nice recovery so thank you for you wishes, as for that comment "callously" I thought was a bit harsh my other half had not even noticed the dog tied up when she turned to speak to her friend and i think we can all agree that we all do that everyday. Our kids are taught to ask permission and on the whole knowing how much our daughter loves dogs and animals alike we are always one step ahead when out on the streets just unfortunately this was un-forseen. We all like animals in our house and I dont think dogs should always be muzzled but if a dog is left unattended then maybe they should be even if its just a precaution thanks again for all the nice comments
[quote][p][bold]Jb2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong.... I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned! Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know.... I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...[/p][/quote]Right just so everyone knows our little girl is ok and should make a nice recovery so thank you for you wishes, as for that comment "callously" I thought was a bit harsh my other half had not even noticed the dog tied up when she turned to speak to her friend and i think we can all agree that we all do that everyday. Our kids are taught to ask permission and on the whole knowing how much our daughter loves dogs and animals alike we are always one step ahead when out on the streets just unfortunately this was un-forseen. We all like animals in our house and I dont think dogs should always be muzzled but if a dog is left unattended then maybe they should be even if its just a precaution thanks again for all the nice comments mattyc404
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4:22pm Sun 6 Jan 13

hellen says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
hellen wrote:
emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
Taught them to be nice to people..? how funny.
way too much dogs s**t around too hope you pick it all up including the sloppy stuff.
i bet you I have cleaned up more s..t than you have and yes I do pick my dogs s..t up unlike some people .you want to try and criticize humans animals was here before humans dont forget .
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.[/p][/quote]Taught them to be nice to people..? how funny. way too much dogs s**t around too hope you pick it all up including the sloppy stuff.[/p][/quote]i bet you I have cleaned up more s..t than you have and yes I do pick my dogs s..t up unlike some people .you want to try and criticize humans animals was here before humans dont forget . hellen
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4:25pm Sun 6 Jan 13

StuckInTraffic says...

Jb2013 wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...
Hope the little girl makes a full recovery.

Thankyou for your account of the incident, it does make a bit more sense now why the dog attacked the child. I can't understand what the Dog Owner was doing at this time, although my dogs are tame and in a controlled environment they can be introduced to children, I wouldn't let any child hang from my dogs ears, they would be asked to keep away from the dogs, and if they ignored that I would shout at them. They would get the message. If the dog had been left tied up outside the shop, while the owner was shopping then the Owner should never have dogs again, that is one of the most stupid and irresponsible things anyone can do.
Dog owners must realise that dogs are a potential weapon and must be monitored at all times, they can attack for any reason. I have recently been aware of a Dog who was the most docile and gentle animal going, turn on someone for absolutely no obvious reason, and cause a significant injury. It turned out the Dog had developed a brain tumour which hadn't been identified and this had caused a significant mood swing. If a dog is on a lead and the owner has control of the dog then it will not be able to bite someone, whether it is muzzled or not.
[quote][p][bold]Jb2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong.... I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned! Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know.... I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...[/p][/quote]Hope the little girl makes a full recovery. Thankyou for your account of the incident, it does make a bit more sense now why the dog attacked the child. I can't understand what the Dog Owner was doing at this time, although my dogs are tame and in a controlled environment they can be introduced to children, I wouldn't let any child hang from my dogs ears, they would be asked to keep away from the dogs, and if they ignored that I would shout at them. They would get the message. If the dog had been left tied up outside the shop, while the owner was shopping then the Owner should never have dogs again, that is one of the most stupid and irresponsible things anyone can do. Dog owners must realise that dogs are a potential weapon and must be monitored at all times, they can attack for any reason. I have recently been aware of a Dog who was the most docile and gentle animal going, turn on someone for absolutely no obvious reason, and cause a significant injury. It turned out the Dog had developed a brain tumour which hadn't been identified and this had caused a significant mood swing. If a dog is on a lead and the owner has control of the dog then it will not be able to bite someone, whether it is muzzled or not. StuckInTraffic
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5:07pm Sun 6 Jan 13

hellen says...

StuckInTraffic wrote:
Jb2013 wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...
Hope the little girl makes a full recovery.

Thankyou for your account of the incident, it does make a bit more sense now why the dog attacked the child. I can't understand what the Dog Owner was doing at this time, although my dogs are tame and in a controlled environment they can be introduced to children, I wouldn't let any child hang from my dogs ears, they would be asked to keep away from the dogs, and if they ignored that I would shout at them. They would get the message. If the dog had been left tied up outside the shop, while the owner was shopping then the Owner should never have dogs again, that is one of the most stupid and irresponsible things anyone can do.
Dog owners must realise that dogs are a potential weapon and must be monitored at all times, they can attack for any reason. I have recently been aware of a Dog who was the most docile and gentle animal going, turn on someone for absolutely no obvious reason, and cause a significant injury. It turned out the Dog had developed a brain tumour which hadn't been identified and this had caused a significant mood swing. If a dog is on a lead and the owner has control of the dog then it will not be able to bite someone, whether it is muzzled or not.
I quite agree dogs should not be left outside shops unattended its very irresponsible I never leave my dogs outside by themselves.all animals & humans have mood swings from time to time they can also attack for no reason some people only want dogs for fighting so people like that give good dogs a bad name bring back vetting .
[quote][p][bold]StuckInTraffic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jb2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong.... I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned! Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know.... I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...[/p][/quote]Hope the little girl makes a full recovery. Thankyou for your account of the incident, it does make a bit more sense now why the dog attacked the child. I can't understand what the Dog Owner was doing at this time, although my dogs are tame and in a controlled environment they can be introduced to children, I wouldn't let any child hang from my dogs ears, they would be asked to keep away from the dogs, and if they ignored that I would shout at them. They would get the message. If the dog had been left tied up outside the shop, while the owner was shopping then the Owner should never have dogs again, that is one of the most stupid and irresponsible things anyone can do. Dog owners must realise that dogs are a potential weapon and must be monitored at all times, they can attack for any reason. I have recently been aware of a Dog who was the most docile and gentle animal going, turn on someone for absolutely no obvious reason, and cause a significant injury. It turned out the Dog had developed a brain tumour which hadn't been identified and this had caused a significant mood swing. If a dog is on a lead and the owner has control of the dog then it will not be able to bite someone, whether it is muzzled or not.[/p][/quote]I quite agree dogs should not be left outside shops unattended its very irresponsible I never leave my dogs outside by themselves.all animals & humans have mood swings from time to time they can also attack for no reason some people only want dogs for fighting so people like that give good dogs a bad name bring back vetting . hellen
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5:18pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Sean4u says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
Yeah right, so it was the dog owner that mauled the girl then.
I don't believe I've ever failed so hard at sarcasm before.

I don't hate dogs; I would happily eat one every week. Nothing short of keeping carnivorous 'companion' (WTF? Why don't their owners just get real friends, or take their kids out for a run and a carp in a plastic bag in the park?) animals in secure compounds and transporting them in secure cages would satisfy me.
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]Yeah right, so it was the dog owner that mauled the girl then.[/p][/quote]I don't believe I've ever failed so hard at sarcasm before. I don't hate dogs; I would happily eat one every week. Nothing short of keeping carnivorous 'companion' (WTF? Why don't their owners just get real friends, or take their kids out for a run and a carp in a plastic bag in the park?) animals in secure compounds and transporting them in secure cages would satisfy me. Sean4u
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5:18pm Sun 6 Jan 13

mark-986 says...

Almeda11 wrote:
mark-986 wrote:
bongking wrote:
mark-986 wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
hellen wrote:
emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.
Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ? It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways
i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.
i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!!
my dog will never be muzzled it stays on a lead that is enough. it's the kids who run over to my dog that needs to be controlled. all due to bad parenting.
lt isn`t always the kids running over to the dogs, often it`s the reverse. l was in Chalkwell park recently, and there was a young mother with her two little girls, about 4 and 5 years old.
Two people with their dogs off the lead, and one of these dogs ran up and almost knocked the pair over. The stupid owner didn`t even apologise,just said " it`s alright, he won`t hurt you" and the mother said nothing! unbelievable, if that had happened to me l would have had quite a lot to say about it, these owners need educating, in common sense, respect and courtesy!
i know what you mean there are a lot of stupid owners out there. lost count the amount of time i have told dog owners to leave my dog alone.
[quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark-986[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bongking[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark-986[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]I can guarantee my dogs( oh by the way I have got a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie ) would not hurt anyone because I taught them to be nice to people so dont tarn people with the same brush they are also always on the lead and not muzzled.[/p][/quote]Oh you taught them did you............to be nice and well mannered, tell whats it like in the dream world ? It;s against the law not to have a dog on a lead, when walking on the public highway paths, footpaths and bridleways[/p][/quote]i have a staffie to would not hurt a thing. bring them up right and they make brilliant dogs. shame that chavs ruined it for them.[/p][/quote]i agree with you i have a lab, and she is a soft dog. but i would muzzle her. because you never know what could happen. all dogs should be muzzled when taken out in public, if she did bite someone and had to be put down, i could not forgive myself! MUZZLE ALL DOGS!!!!![/p][/quote]my dog will never be muzzled it stays on a lead that is enough. it's the kids who run over to my dog that needs to be controlled. all due to bad parenting.[/p][/quote]lt isn`t always the kids running over to the dogs, often it`s the reverse. l was in Chalkwell park recently, and there was a young mother with her two little girls, about 4 and 5 years old. Two people with their dogs off the lead, and one of these dogs ran up and almost knocked the pair over. The stupid owner didn`t even apologise,just said " it`s alright, he won`t hurt you" and the mother said nothing! unbelievable, if that had happened to me l would have had quite a lot to say about it, these owners need educating, in common sense, respect and courtesy![/p][/quote]i know what you mean there are a lot of stupid owners out there. lost count the amount of time i have told dog owners to leave my dog alone. mark-986
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6:23pm Sun 6 Jan 13

mattyc404 says...

Right just so everyone knows our little girl is ok and should make a nice recovery so thank you for you wishes, as for that comment "callously" I thought was a bit harsh my other half had not even noticed the dog tied up when she turned to speak to her friend and i think we can all agree that we all do that everyday. Our kids are taught to ask permission and on the whole knowing how much our daughter loves dogs and animals alike we are always one step ahead when out on the streets just unfortunately this was un-forseen. We all like animals in our house and I dont think dogs should always be muzzled but if a dog is left unattended then maybe they should be even if its just a precaution thanks again for all the nice comments
Right just so everyone knows our little girl is ok and should make a nice recovery so thank you for you wishes, as for that comment "callously" I thought was a bit harsh my other half had not even noticed the dog tied up when she turned to speak to her friend and i think we can all agree that we all do that everyday. Our kids are taught to ask permission and on the whole knowing how much our daughter loves dogs and animals alike we are always one step ahead when out on the streets just unfortunately this was un-forseen. We all like animals in our house and I dont think dogs should always be muzzled but if a dog is left unattended then maybe they should be even if its just a precaution thanks again for all the nice comments mattyc404
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6:58pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Sean4u says...

mattyc404 wrote:
Right just so everyone knows our little girl is ok and should make a nice recovery so thank you for you wishes, as for that comment "callously" I thought was a bit harsh my other half had not even noticed the dog tied up when she turned to speak to her friend and i think we can all agree that we all do that everyday. Our kids are taught to ask permission and on the whole knowing how much our daughter loves dogs and animals alike we are always one step ahead when out on the streets just unfortunately this was un-forseen. We all like animals in our house and I dont think dogs should always be muzzled but if a dog is left unattended then maybe they should be even if its just a precaution thanks again for all the nice comments
Commendable of you to provide a followup! Kids have fantastic powers of recovery, I expect she'll forget all about it soon enough. We'll all have to crawl back under our bridges until the next time...
[quote][p][bold]mattyc404[/bold] wrote: Right just so everyone knows our little girl is ok and should make a nice recovery so thank you for you wishes, as for that comment "callously" I thought was a bit harsh my other half had not even noticed the dog tied up when she turned to speak to her friend and i think we can all agree that we all do that everyday. Our kids are taught to ask permission and on the whole knowing how much our daughter loves dogs and animals alike we are always one step ahead when out on the streets just unfortunately this was un-forseen. We all like animals in our house and I dont think dogs should always be muzzled but if a dog is left unattended then maybe they should be even if its just a precaution thanks again for all the nice comments[/p][/quote]Commendable of you to provide a followup! Kids have fantastic powers of recovery, I expect she'll forget all about it soon enough. We'll all have to crawl back under our bridges until the next time... Sean4u
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7:40pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Hannah Foster says...

hellen wrote:
smithy741 wrote:
Jb2013 wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...
Thank you jb2013 good to read a comment from someone who actually see it, of course the dog hating brigade will still blame the dog. I wish the girl a speedy recovery and lets hope a lesson was learnt by all involved including the dog owner.
Having read most of the comments, I have a few things to add. Labradors rarely attack. They must be under extreme stress to do so. I have been around labs for over 50years and at times we have had three at any one time. Labs, like all other dogs need to be trained, To sit, stay etc etc. All dogs need to be trained. As regards to the muzzling. WHY!!!!! I have a wee dog {by the way I'm using my friends pc - my name in Heather} He was trained to do as told from a pup. I take him to the park everyday and he is not allowed to run up to people and especially children. However I cant say the same for parents. I know I have a well trained wee dog, other people dont, so why do they allow their kids to run up and try to touch him. I am always saying NO! STOP! You dont know me or my dog, I do allow them to stroke him but only after they have asked me. I wouldn't go up to someone and touch their dog, kid or whatever. As for muzzling, dont be so blooding stupid. It would only be the responsible dog owners that would use a muzzle. The beach, well dont get me started on that. Dog owners are only allowed to use the beach with their dog from Oct to end of march, I take him down there, he has a wee run and I clean up after him. What a pity other folk dont clean up after themselves, we have come across used sanitary ware, cans, broken bottles and other rubbish. I have also been castigated for being on the beach by folk who are down there with their kids. Why is that, its our time for taking pets to the beach. Regarding parks, why should we have to put our dogs on a lead, I dont ask that parents put their kids on reins. They run all over the place, shouting, screaming, banging into you, using bikes and scooters, coming up behind you and barging past. The end result is always going to be the same. They're shouldn't be an us and them, we all have good days and bad, some irresponsible parents, some irresponsible dog owners, some badly behaved children and dogs. That life and unless you want to opt out of it, thats hows its always going to be. The wee girl, well it doesn't say how badly she was hurt, I do hope it wasn't too bad and on behalf of responsible dog owners, I am so very very sorry that this has happened to you. I hope you get better soon.
Very well said and very true.

If you have responsible dog owners and properly controlled and trained dogs and if parents teach their children how to approach a dog and to ask permission for its owner before they touch the dog then I just don't think we would have these problems. Young children should never be left alone with dogs and neither should be kids be sent out to walk powerful dogs that hey have no hope,of,controlling. Simple, effective steps and dog owners can enjoy their dogs, children are kept safe and everyone is happy.
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smithy741[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jb2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong.... I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned! Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know.... I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...[/p][/quote]Thank you jb2013 good to read a comment from someone who actually see it, of course the dog hating brigade will still blame the dog. I wish the girl a speedy recovery and lets hope a lesson was learnt by all involved including the dog owner.[/p][/quote]Having read most of the comments, I have a few things to add. Labradors rarely attack. They must be under extreme stress to do so. I have been around labs for over 50years and at times we have had three at any one time. Labs, like all other dogs need to be trained, To sit, stay etc etc. All dogs need to be trained. As regards to the muzzling. WHY!!!!! I have a wee dog {by the way I'm using my friends pc - my name in Heather} He was trained to do as told from a pup. I take him to the park everyday and he is not allowed to run up to people and especially children. However I cant say the same for parents. I know I have a well trained wee dog, other people dont, so why do they allow their kids to run up and try to touch him. I am always saying NO! STOP! You dont know me or my dog, I do allow them to stroke him but only after they have asked me. I wouldn't go up to someone and touch their dog, kid or whatever. As for muzzling, dont be so blooding stupid. It would only be the responsible dog owners that would use a muzzle. The beach, well dont get me started on that. Dog owners are only allowed to use the beach with their dog from Oct to end of march, I take him down there, he has a wee run and I clean up after him. What a pity other folk dont clean up after themselves, we have come across used sanitary ware, cans, broken bottles and other rubbish. I have also been castigated for being on the beach by folk who are down there with their kids. Why is that, its our time for taking pets to the beach. Regarding parks, why should we have to put our dogs on a lead, I dont ask that parents put their kids on reins. They [ the kids] run all over the place, shouting, screaming, banging into you, using bikes and scooters, coming up behind you and barging past. The end result is always going to be the same. They're shouldn't be an us and them, we all have good days and bad, some irresponsible parents, some irresponsible dog owners, some badly behaved children and dogs. That life and unless you want to opt out of it, thats hows its always going to be. The wee girl, well it doesn't say how badly she was hurt, I do hope it wasn't too bad and on behalf of responsible dog owners, I am so very very sorry that this has happened to you. I hope you get better soon.[/p][/quote]Very well said and very true. If you have responsible dog owners and properly controlled and trained dogs and if parents teach their children how to approach a dog and to ask permission for its owner before they touch the dog then I just don't think we would have these problems. Young children should never be left alone with dogs and neither should be kids be sent out to walk powerful dogs that hey have no hope,of,controlling. Simple, effective steps and dog owners can enjoy their dogs, children are kept safe and everyone is happy. Hannah Foster
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8:21pm Sun 6 Jan 13

hellen says...

Hannah Foster wrote:
hellen wrote:
smithy741 wrote:
Jb2013 wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...
Thank you jb2013 good to read a comment from someone who actually see it, of course the dog hating brigade will still blame the dog. I wish the girl a speedy recovery and lets hope a lesson was learnt by all involved including the dog owner.
Having read most of the comments, I have a few things to add. Labradors rarely attack. They must be under extreme stress to do so. I have been around labs for over 50years and at times we have had three at any one time. Labs, like all other dogs need to be trained, To sit, stay etc etc. All dogs need to be trained. As regards to the muzzling. WHY!!!!! I have a wee dog {by the way I'm using my friends pc - my name in Heather} He was trained to do as told from a pup. I take him to the park everyday and he is not allowed to run up to people and especially children. However I cant say the same for parents. I know I have a well trained wee dog, other people dont, so why do they allow their kids to run up and try to touch him. I am always saying NO! STOP! You dont know me or my dog, I do allow them to stroke him but only after they have asked me. I wouldn't go up to someone and touch their dog, kid or whatever. As for muzzling, dont be so blooding stupid. It would only be the responsible dog owners that would use a muzzle. The beach, well dont get me started on that. Dog owners are only allowed to use the beach with their dog from Oct to end of march, I take him down there, he has a wee run and I clean up after him. What a pity other folk dont clean up after themselves, we have come across used sanitary ware, cans, broken bottles and other rubbish. I have also been castigated for being on the beach by folk who are down there with their kids. Why is that, its our time for taking pets to the beach. Regarding parks, why should we have to put our dogs on a lead, I dont ask that parents put their kids on reins. They run all over the place, shouting, screaming, banging into you, using bikes and scooters, coming up behind you and barging past. The end result is always going to be the same. They're shouldn't be an us and them, we all have good days and bad, some irresponsible parents, some irresponsible dog owners, some badly behaved children and dogs. That life and unless you want to opt out of it, thats hows its always going to be. The wee girl, well it doesn't say how badly she was hurt, I do hope it wasn't too bad and on behalf of responsible dog owners, I am so very very sorry that this has happened to you. I hope you get better soon.
Very well said and very true.

If you have responsible dog owners and properly controlled and trained dogs and if parents teach their children how to approach a dog and to ask permission for its owner before they touch the dog then I just don't think we would have these problems. Young children should never be left alone with dogs and neither should be kids be sent out to walk powerful dogs that hey have no hope,of,controlling. Simple, effective steps and dog owners can enjoy their dogs, children are kept safe and everyone is happy.
you said it all well done
[quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smithy741[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jb2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong.... I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned! Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know.... I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...[/p][/quote]Thank you jb2013 good to read a comment from someone who actually see it, of course the dog hating brigade will still blame the dog. I wish the girl a speedy recovery and lets hope a lesson was learnt by all involved including the dog owner.[/p][/quote]Having read most of the comments, I have a few things to add. Labradors rarely attack. They must be under extreme stress to do so. I have been around labs for over 50years and at times we have had three at any one time. Labs, like all other dogs need to be trained, To sit, stay etc etc. All dogs need to be trained. As regards to the muzzling. WHY!!!!! I have a wee dog {by the way I'm using my friends pc - my name in Heather} He was trained to do as told from a pup. I take him to the park everyday and he is not allowed to run up to people and especially children. However I cant say the same for parents. I know I have a well trained wee dog, other people dont, so why do they allow their kids to run up and try to touch him. I am always saying NO! STOP! You dont know me or my dog, I do allow them to stroke him but only after they have asked me. I wouldn't go up to someone and touch their dog, kid or whatever. As for muzzling, dont be so blooding stupid. It would only be the responsible dog owners that would use a muzzle. The beach, well dont get me started on that. Dog owners are only allowed to use the beach with their dog from Oct to end of march, I take him down there, he has a wee run and I clean up after him. What a pity other folk dont clean up after themselves, we have come across used sanitary ware, cans, broken bottles and other rubbish. I have also been castigated for being on the beach by folk who are down there with their kids. Why is that, its our time for taking pets to the beach. Regarding parks, why should we have to put our dogs on a lead, I dont ask that parents put their kids on reins. They [ the kids] run all over the place, shouting, screaming, banging into you, using bikes and scooters, coming up behind you and barging past. The end result is always going to be the same. They're shouldn't be an us and them, we all have good days and bad, some irresponsible parents, some irresponsible dog owners, some badly behaved children and dogs. That life and unless you want to opt out of it, thats hows its always going to be. The wee girl, well it doesn't say how badly she was hurt, I do hope it wasn't too bad and on behalf of responsible dog owners, I am so very very sorry that this has happened to you. I hope you get better soon.[/p][/quote]Very well said and very true. If you have responsible dog owners and properly controlled and trained dogs and if parents teach their children how to approach a dog and to ask permission for its owner before they touch the dog then I just don't think we would have these problems. Young children should never be left alone with dogs and neither should be kids be sent out to walk powerful dogs that hey have no hope,of,controlling. Simple, effective steps and dog owners can enjoy their dogs, children are kept safe and everyone is happy.[/p][/quote]you said it all well done hellen
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10:27pm Sun 6 Jan 13

jenessex says...

asbo. just the truth wrote:
if owners refuse to muzzle their dog (which is no impingement on the dog) they must underwrite (financially) the liability of their dog. permanent facial scarring would not come cheap.
have you ever seen a dog that isnt used to being muzzled? they panic! imagen something being stuck round your face when you wasnt expecting it!
[quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: if owners refuse to muzzle their dog (which is no impingement on the dog) they must underwrite (financially) the liability of their dog. permanent facial scarring would not come cheap.[/p][/quote]have you ever seen a dog that isnt used to being muzzled? they panic! imagen something being stuck round your face when you wasnt expecting it! jenessex
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10:35pm Sun 6 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

jenessex wrote:
asbo. just the truth wrote:
if owners refuse to muzzle their dog (which is no impingement on the dog) they must underwrite (financially) the liability of their dog. permanent facial scarring would not come cheap.
have you ever seen a dog that isnt used to being muzzled? they panic! imagen something being stuck round your face when you wasnt expecting it!
yes and just imagine the panic of the victim that has a dog's jaws clamped around their neck. i'm sure there's no comparison.
[quote][p][bold]jenessex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: if owners refuse to muzzle their dog (which is no impingement on the dog) they must underwrite (financially) the liability of their dog. permanent facial scarring would not come cheap.[/p][/quote]have you ever seen a dog that isnt used to being muzzled? they panic! imagen something being stuck round your face when you wasnt expecting it![/p][/quote]yes and just imagine the panic of the victim that has a dog's jaws clamped around their neck. i'm sure there's no comparison. asbo. just the truth
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10:36pm Sun 6 Jan 13

woolstone says...

If we teach children never run in the road or go off with strangers why don't we teach children not to pet dogs unless they ask permission from the owner ?
I have heard dog owners tell children not to touch their dogs as the dog doesn't know them which I thought was very sensible.
If we teach children never run in the road or go off with strangers why don't we teach children not to pet dogs unless they ask permission from the owner ? I have heard dog owners tell children not to touch their dogs as the dog doesn't know them which I thought was very sensible. woolstone
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12:23am Mon 7 Jan 13

TheStraightTalker says...

Seasider90 wrote:
Notice the responsible dog owners agree that all dogs should be muzzled in public. Then there's the "my little pooch is an angel and would never hurt a fly" attitudes from people with half a brain and even a comment blaming kids for going near dogs. Shoebury East Beach is one big dog toilet yet families with kids crowd the place in summer. Southend council should be sued if any child gets ill from dog mess - can you believe this does not come under an environmental health issue?
Stupid, many dogs are child friendly and do not need to be on a muzzle as is mine. Also responsible owners like myself bag up and dispose of the waste. Perhaps the already existing laws need to be applied this lays in the hands of the local borough council, perhaps your anger and ignorance should be aimed there. I bought a dog after my son was bitten by a dog, my son now is not any longer afraid of dogs and knows how to educate a dog and be responsible. The joy on some children's faces when they play with my dog more than compensates for the many ludicrous comments that have been posted.
[quote][p][bold]Seasider90[/bold] wrote: Notice the responsible dog owners agree that all dogs should be muzzled in public. Then there's the "my little pooch is an angel and would never hurt a fly" attitudes from people with half a brain and even a comment blaming kids for going near dogs. Shoebury East Beach is one big dog toilet yet families with kids crowd the place in summer. Southend council should be sued if any child gets ill from dog mess - can you believe this does not come under an environmental health issue?[/p][/quote]Stupid, many dogs are child friendly and do not need to be on a muzzle as is mine. Also responsible owners like myself bag up and dispose of the waste. Perhaps the already existing laws need to be applied this lays in the hands of the local borough council, perhaps your anger and ignorance should be aimed there. I bought a dog after my son was bitten by a dog, my son now is not any longer afraid of dogs and knows how to educate a dog and be responsible. The joy on some children's faces when they play with my dog more than compensates for the many ludicrous comments that have been posted. TheStraightTalker
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12:22pm Mon 7 Jan 13

sueysue says...

Jb2013 wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong....
I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned!

Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know....

I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...
i wish the girl a speedy recovery
but i have seen this happen out side my express store i work in (child didnt get bitten thank god)
but a springer spaniel (i know this dog and owner) was tied up outside (yes it shouldnt be left outside alone i know) it doesnt live with children or know any,
2 young kids of 3 and 4 went up to the dog mother standing chatting, child had hands either side of dogs face kissing it, the dog looked worried ears back tail down backing away, still the mother said nothing,
i went and told the owner and she went out to tell them not to touch the dog

i have 2 dogs i would never leave them tied up alone anywhere plus my kids know not to go up to another dog or even run past one they stop and walk then run once dog has passed

anyone under 18 shouldn't be aloud to walk any dog without an adult over 18

i have also witnessed a girl of 8 trying to control her mastiff to stop it pulling her over to me and my dog well can say she didnt succeed and was a good job i wasnt across a main road
[quote][p][bold]Jb2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]How can you say this. I was THERE walking by and the mother of the child was callously talking to a friend while the child was lliterally hanging off the dogs ears and dancing around it. When the dog went for her it then straight way backed off and started wagging its tail at ME when it could see it had done wrong.... I know that things like this happen and its all bad timing, im not blaming the parent or the dog owner but i think its wrong that the dog owner should be shamed when a dog cant speak for itself... opinions like the one quoted should be banned! Lesson here is to look after your child when in the street ESPECIALLY a 4yr old and NEVER...EVER let your child near a dog that it doesnt know.... I just hope the little girl gets better and maybe this should be a warning to dog owners and parents alike...[/p][/quote]i wish the girl a speedy recovery but i have seen this happen out side my express store i work in (child didnt get bitten thank god) but a springer spaniel (i know this dog and owner) was tied up outside (yes it shouldnt be left outside alone i know) it doesnt live with children or know any, 2 young kids of 3 and 4 went up to the dog mother standing chatting, child had hands either side of dogs face kissing it, the dog looked worried ears back tail down backing away, still the mother said nothing, i went and told the owner and she went out to tell them not to touch the dog i have 2 dogs i would never leave them tied up alone anywhere plus my kids know not to go up to another dog or even run past one they stop and walk then run once dog has passed anyone under 18 shouldn't be aloud to walk any dog without an adult over 18 i have also witnessed a girl of 8 trying to control her mastiff to stop it pulling her over to me and my dog well can say she didnt succeed and was a good job i wasnt across a main road sueysue
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2:02pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Greyhoundlover says...

emcee wrote:
hellen wrote:
Sean4u wrote:
Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.
well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.
What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners.
Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.
Ah! it seems that Desmond Morris has risen from the grave.
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sean4u[/bold] wrote: Dogs don't bite people, irresponsible owners do.[/p][/quote]well said I have got 2 dogs and they would not hurt anyone its the way people train them. sorry I Don't believe dogs should not have to were muzzles maybe some humans should. dogs cant speak for themselves so humans have to speak for them so Don't punish the dog punish the owner.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT guarantee your dogs will not bite anyone. The most docile, good mannered, friendly dog can have an off day (as can the friendliest of humans). Dogs are basically wolves with different traits bred out of them. Not every wolf gene has or can be removed. ALL dogs can be volatile, even though they may be kept by loving responsible owners. Muzzles are the only way to guarantee any dog will not (can not) bite.[/p][/quote]Ah! it seems that Desmond Morris has risen from the grave. Greyhoundlover
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3:44pm Mon 7 Jan 13

saltydawg says...

Looking at this in slightly diffrent way and looking at this article alone ,this is a not a very wide pavement along side a very busy seafront road junction beloved of seafront cruisers and racers ,as the child unfortunaltley had the time to reach a tetherd dog (of lets be honest a very unaggressive breed ) lets us count our blessing that the poor child didnt walk the other way and end up in the road with even worse consequenses .
Surely in this instance the parent /carer is the one in error here ,im not by anymeans saying they are a poor guardian generally but if the child had enough time to reach a Dog tied up and then be bitten /nipped then in this situation they are to blame they took there eye of the ball and with chidlren 30 seconds is to long,accidents happen but of course normaly someone is to blame, had the Dog run up to the child and bitten it thats very diffrent .This Dog may well always be kept/walked on a lead normally and be very placid ,left alone without his/her owner may well have have put it on it guard. As we all know children especially youngsters dont have built into them a "dont touch" it has to be learnt or instructed the same as dont walk in the road .
Im sure the poor owner is just as devestated as to what has happened .
Fingers crossed its not to serious and the child is not marked mentaly or physically and best thoughts with them . After reading this article I have orderd a Soft Muzzle for My soft breed dog ( that is when hes not picking up game for me) as many comments have said had the dog been muzzeld this couldnt have happened and I wouldnt want my dog been put in the same situation by someone elses error .
Looking at this in slightly diffrent way and looking at this article alone ,this is a not a very wide pavement along side a very busy seafront road junction beloved of seafront cruisers and racers ,as the child unfortunaltley had the time to reach a tetherd dog (of lets be honest a very unaggressive breed ) lets us count our blessing that the poor child didnt walk the other way and end up in the road with even worse consequenses . Surely in this instance the parent /carer is the one in error here ,im not by anymeans saying they are a poor guardian generally but if the child had enough time to reach a Dog tied up and then be bitten /nipped then in this situation they are to blame they took there eye of the ball and with chidlren 30 seconds is to long,accidents happen but of course normaly someone is to blame, had the Dog run up to the child and bitten it thats very diffrent .This Dog may well always be kept/walked on a lead normally and be very placid ,left alone without his/her owner may well have have put it on it guard. As we all know children especially youngsters dont have built into them a "dont touch" it has to be learnt or instructed the same as dont walk in the road . Im sure the poor owner is just as devestated as to what has happened . Fingers crossed its not to serious and the child is not marked mentaly or physically and best thoughts with them . After reading this article I have orderd a Soft Muzzle for My soft breed dog ( that is when hes not picking up game for me) as many comments have said had the dog been muzzeld this couldnt have happened and I wouldnt want my dog been put in the same situation by someone elses error . saltydawg
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4:09pm Mon 7 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

saltydawg wrote:
Looking at this in slightly diffrent way and looking at this article alone ,this is a not a very wide pavement along side a very busy seafront road junction beloved of seafront cruisers and racers ,as the child unfortunaltley had the time to reach a tetherd dog (of lets be honest a very unaggressive breed ) lets us count our blessing that the poor child didnt walk the other way and end up in the road with even worse consequenses .
Surely in this instance the parent /carer is the one in error here ,im not by anymeans saying they are a poor guardian generally but if the child had enough time to reach a Dog tied up and then be bitten /nipped then in this situation they are to blame they took there eye of the ball and with chidlren 30 seconds is to long,accidents happen but of course normaly someone is to blame, had the Dog run up to the child and bitten it thats very diffrent .This Dog may well always be kept/walked on a lead normally and be very placid ,left alone without his/her owner may well have have put it on it guard. As we all know children especially youngsters dont have built into them a "dont touch" it has to be learnt or instructed the same as dont walk in the road .
Im sure the poor owner is just as devestated as to what has happened .
Fingers crossed its not to serious and the child is not marked mentaly or physically and best thoughts with them . After reading this article I have orderd a Soft Muzzle for My soft breed dog ( that is when hes not picking up game for me) as many comments have said had the dog been muzzeld this couldnt have happened and I wouldnt want my dog been put in the same situation by someone elses error .
a rare sensible comment from a dog owner. if you take your dog into a public, busy place events will occur that you have no control over whether your dog is well behaved or not. you are not in a vacuum. whether or not your dog is provoked would you want your pet mauling a young child?
[quote][p][bold]saltydawg[/bold] wrote: Looking at this in slightly diffrent way and looking at this article alone ,this is a not a very wide pavement along side a very busy seafront road junction beloved of seafront cruisers and racers ,as the child unfortunaltley had the time to reach a tetherd dog (of lets be honest a very unaggressive breed ) lets us count our blessing that the poor child didnt walk the other way and end up in the road with even worse consequenses . Surely in this instance the parent /carer is the one in error here ,im not by anymeans saying they are a poor guardian generally but if the child had enough time to reach a Dog tied up and then be bitten /nipped then in this situation they are to blame they took there eye of the ball and with chidlren 30 seconds is to long,accidents happen but of course normaly someone is to blame, had the Dog run up to the child and bitten it thats very diffrent .This Dog may well always be kept/walked on a lead normally and be very placid ,left alone without his/her owner may well have have put it on it guard. As we all know children especially youngsters dont have built into them a "dont touch" it has to be learnt or instructed the same as dont walk in the road . Im sure the poor owner is just as devestated as to what has happened . Fingers crossed its not to serious and the child is not marked mentaly or physically and best thoughts with them . After reading this article I have orderd a Soft Muzzle for My soft breed dog ( that is when hes not picking up game for me) as many comments have said had the dog been muzzeld this couldnt have happened and I wouldnt want my dog been put in the same situation by someone elses error .[/p][/quote]a rare sensible comment from a dog owner. if you take your dog into a public, busy place events will occur that you have no control over whether your dog is well behaved or not. you are not in a vacuum. whether or not your dog is provoked would you want your pet mauling a young child? asbo. just the truth
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4:23pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Letmetryagain says...

...and so it goes on.

Nothing changes :(
...and so it goes on. Nothing changes :( Letmetryagain
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8:12pm Mon 7 Jan 13

mattyc404 says...

Letmetryagain wrote:
...and so it goes on.

Nothing changes :(
and on
[quote][p][bold]Letmetryagain[/bold] wrote: ...and so it goes on. Nothing changes :([/p][/quote]and on mattyc404
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11:18pm Mon 7 Jan 13

Diannah says...

mattyc404 wrote:
Right just so everyone knows our little girl is ok and should make a nice recovery so thank you for you wishes, as for that comment "callously" I thought was a bit harsh my other half had not even noticed the dog tied up when she turned to speak to her friend and i think we can all agree that we all do that everyday. Our kids are taught to ask permission and on the whole knowing how much our daughter loves dogs and animals alike we are always one step ahead when out on the streets just unfortunately this was un-forseen. We all like animals in our house and I dont think dogs should always be muzzled but if a dog is left unattended then maybe they should be even if its just a precaution thanks again for all the nice comments
Glad your girl is ok.

I looked twice at the word 'callously' but came to the conclusion that the poster actually meant to say 'casually' which would make more sense.
[quote][p][bold]mattyc404[/bold] wrote: Right just so everyone knows our little girl is ok and should make a nice recovery so thank you for you wishes, as for that comment "callously" I thought was a bit harsh my other half had not even noticed the dog tied up when she turned to speak to her friend and i think we can all agree that we all do that everyday. Our kids are taught to ask permission and on the whole knowing how much our daughter loves dogs and animals alike we are always one step ahead when out on the streets just unfortunately this was un-forseen. We all like animals in our house and I dont think dogs should always be muzzled but if a dog is left unattended then maybe they should be even if its just a precaution thanks again for all the nice comments[/p][/quote]Glad your girl is ok. I looked twice at the word 'callously' but came to the conclusion that the poster actually meant to say 'casually' which would make more sense. Diannah
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12:45am Tue 8 Jan 13

CoastalWaters says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Muzzles make compulsory or put 'em down, ban owners from keeping these status symbols
Since when was a Labrador a status symbol?
It seems people are happy to blame the owners and dogs, but (and this is my view as I don't know the circumstances involved in the attack) parents of children need to take responsibility too when dogs are around. Children need to be taught to ask (or if too young, it should be parents responsibility) if the dog is ok to be stroked.
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Muzzles make compulsory or put 'em down, ban owners from keeping these status symbols[/p][/quote]Since when was a Labrador a status symbol? It seems people are happy to blame the owners and dogs, but (and this is my view as I don't know the circumstances involved in the attack) parents of children need to take responsibility too when dogs are around. Children need to be taught to ask (or if too young, it should be parents responsibility) if the dog is ok to be stroked. CoastalWaters
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8:20am Tue 8 Jan 13

Wise Words 123 says...

The dog shouldn't have been left unattended, And neither should the little girl. But in my eyes leaving a 4 year old child to wonder around whether it be inside the shop and shes walked outside or just her wondering around outside is more serious than what the dog owner did, the owner had their dog tied up outside ( so they had taken some precautions as ive seen many of dogs sitting outside that tesco with no lead on at all) but where was the precautions for the little girl? no one was looking to where she was otherwise they would have seen she was near a dog and probably would have moved her away. For locals of tesco the parents should have been aware that there are always dogs outside that store in particular. The blame shouldnt all be passed onto the owner and his dog, for unpredictable situations like this one the blame has to be evened out.
The dog shouldn't have been left unattended, And neither should the little girl. But in my eyes leaving a 4 year old child to wonder around whether it be inside the shop and shes walked outside or just her wondering around outside is more serious than what the dog owner did, the owner had their dog tied up outside ( so they had taken some precautions as ive seen many of dogs sitting outside that tesco with no lead on at all) but where was the precautions for the little girl? no one was looking to where she was otherwise they would have seen she was near a dog and probably would have moved her away. For locals of tesco the parents should have been aware that there are always dogs outside that store in particular. The blame shouldnt all be passed onto the owner and his dog, for unpredictable situations like this one the blame has to be evened out. Wise Words 123
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10:34am Tue 8 Jan 13

tallblokerobbie says...

Get a grip!! 'Dog Savages Girl'! No it didn't. It bit once or twice because it was clearly feeling threatened. I was taught at a young age not to go up to dogs in case they bit me. If it had it would've been my fault, not the dogs fault. If the Labrador had wanted to'savage' the girl, it could have. The muzzle all dogs brigade are ridiculous. Next they'll be wanting soft pavements just in case they should slip over. This is not a cotton wool world! Stuff happens, stop blaming others!
Get a grip!! 'Dog Savages Girl'! No it didn't. It bit once or twice because it was clearly feeling threatened. I was taught at a young age not to go up to dogs in case they bit me. If it had it would've been my fault, not the dogs fault. If the Labrador had wanted to'savage' the girl, it could have. The muzzle all dogs brigade are ridiculous. Next they'll be wanting soft pavements just in case they should slip over. This is not a cotton wool world! Stuff happens, stop blaming others! tallblokerobbie
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10:58am Tue 8 Jan 13

hellen says...

tallblokerobbie wrote:
Get a grip!! 'Dog Savages Girl'! No it didn't. It bit once or twice because it was clearly feeling threatened. I was taught at a young age not to go up to dogs in case they bit me. If it had it would've been my fault, not the dogs fault. If the Labrador had wanted to'savage' the girl, it could have. The muzzle all dogs brigade are ridiculous. Next they'll be wanting soft pavements just in case they should slip over. This is not a cotton wool world! Stuff happens, stop blaming others!
well said no dogs like to be pulled.
[quote][p][bold]tallblokerobbie[/bold] wrote: Get a grip!! 'Dog Savages Girl'! No it didn't. It bit once or twice because it was clearly feeling threatened. I was taught at a young age not to go up to dogs in case they bit me. If it had it would've been my fault, not the dogs fault. If the Labrador had wanted to'savage' the girl, it could have. The muzzle all dogs brigade are ridiculous. Next they'll be wanting soft pavements just in case they should slip over. This is not a cotton wool world! Stuff happens, stop blaming others![/p][/quote]well said no dogs like to be pulled. hellen
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11:20am Tue 8 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

if i were a betting man (which i am) i would say more than half of the anti muzzle brigade here on this blog are staffie owners. i'll let you draw your own conclusions.
if i were a betting man (which i am) i would say more than half of the anti muzzle brigade here on this blog are staffie owners. i'll let you draw your own conclusions. asbo. just the truth
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11:30am Tue 8 Jan 13

hellen says...

asbo. just the truth wrote:
if i were a betting man (which i am) i would say more than half of the anti muzzle brigade here on this blog are staffie owners. i'll let you draw your own conclusions.
you said you are a better man if that is so why did you not wright more to defend the breed of dog
[quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: if i were a betting man (which i am) i would say more than half of the anti muzzle brigade here on this blog are staffie owners. i'll let you draw your own conclusions.[/p][/quote]you said you are a better man if that is so why did you not wright more to defend the breed of dog hellen
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8:26pm Tue 8 Jan 13

doglover says...

Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog.
What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame.
Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places.
BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible.
Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child.
Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl.
I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous
Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog. What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame. Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places. BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible. Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child. Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl. I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous doglover
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9:18pm Tue 8 Jan 13

hellen says...

doglover wrote:
Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog.
What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame.
Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places.
BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible.
Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child.
Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl.
I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous
well said I am so glad that a dog lover commented on here its getting ridiculous now people saying muzzle them if people train there dog's not to bite then there is no need to put muzzle's on them.
[quote][p][bold]doglover[/bold] wrote: Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog. What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame. Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places. BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible. Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child. Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl. I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous[/p][/quote]well said I am so glad that a dog lover commented on here its getting ridiculous now people saying muzzle them if people train there dog's not to bite then there is no need to put muzzle's on them. hellen
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9:27pm Tue 8 Jan 13

I love Essex says...

I feel that all comments are pretty much the same, (apart form the nasty buggers on here any way - regardless of topic), non dog owners accusing those that do. Occasionally a normal, individual states their case. I feel that end of, as much I hope the little pickle a speedy recovery - which am sure will happen, having been a long time visitor at Bromfield, that on this occasion parent/s in charge at the time of the unfortunate kiddy need to readjust their perspective of what it means to be 'in charge of'. How many times does a kid need to be 'screamed' to get attention enough for the parent to stop chatting / get off their phone to administer support generally?. An example only but..... as said before - what's going to happen - a dog gets penalised because it had approx. 3 stone tugging off it's ear??? Second breath as a 'responsible owner' what on earth possessed them to tie it to whatever and not consistently observe it.??? Then allow this to happen. Unfortunately I blame the parent in charge - not the dog - but feel both should be more 'aware' next time.
I feel that all comments are pretty much the same, (apart form the nasty buggers on here any way - regardless of topic), non dog owners accusing those that do. Occasionally a normal, individual states their case. I feel that end of, as much I hope the little pickle a speedy recovery - which am sure will happen, having been a long time visitor at Bromfield, that on this occasion parent/s in charge at the time of the unfortunate kiddy need to readjust their perspective of what it means to be 'in charge of'. How many times does a kid need to be 'screamed' to get attention enough for the parent to stop chatting / get off their phone to administer support generally?. An example only but..... as said before - what's going to happen - a dog gets penalised because it had approx. 3 stone tugging off it's ear??? Second breath as a 'responsible owner' what on earth possessed them to tie it to whatever and not consistently observe it.??? Then allow this to happen. Unfortunately I blame the parent in charge - not the dog - but feel both should be more 'aware' next time. I love Essex
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9:36pm Tue 8 Jan 13

I love Essex says...

hellen wrote:
doglover wrote:
Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog.
What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame.
Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places.
BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible.
Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child.
Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl.
I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous
well said I am so glad that a dog lover commented on here its getting ridiculous now people saying muzzle them if people train there dog's not to bite then there is no need to put muzzle's on them.
got to admit, am fed up with public who want to pet my dog when tied up....he is big and lovely looking, but would fear bite. So is muzzled - labs are attackers - got done over today by one - again
. whole in the boot- third time...
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]doglover[/bold] wrote: Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog. What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame. Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places. BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible. Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child. Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl. I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous[/p][/quote]well said I am so glad that a dog lover commented on here its getting ridiculous now people saying muzzle them if people train there dog's not to bite then there is no need to put muzzle's on them.[/p][/quote]got to admit, am fed up with public who want to pet my dog when tied up....he is big and lovely looking, but would fear bite. So is muzzled - labs are attackers - got done over today by one - again . whole in the boot- third time... I love Essex
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11:11pm Tue 8 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

doglover wrote:
Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog.
What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame.
Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places.
BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible.
Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child.
Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl.
I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous
i guess if you call yourself dog lover only the foaming mutt owning maniacs will take you seriously. so best of luck with your integration with the rest of the human race.
[quote][p][bold]doglover[/bold] wrote: Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog. What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame. Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places. BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible. Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child. Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl. I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous[/p][/quote]i guess if you call yourself dog lover only the foaming mutt owning maniacs will take you seriously. so best of luck with your integration with the rest of the human race. asbo. just the truth
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11:16pm Tue 8 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

hellen wrote:
doglover wrote:
Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog.
What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame.
Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places.
BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible.
Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child.
Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl.
I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous
well said I am so glad that a dog lover commented on here its getting ridiculous now people saying muzzle them if people train there dog's not to bite then there is no need to put muzzle's on them.
hellen, if your earlier response hadn't been so unintelligible i might have given you the courtesy of a reply. my apologies but muzzle away (hannibal lechter stylee) as far as i'm concerned.
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]doglover[/bold] wrote: Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog. What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame. Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places. BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible. Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child. Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl. I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous[/p][/quote]well said I am so glad that a dog lover commented on here its getting ridiculous now people saying muzzle them if people train there dog's not to bite then there is no need to put muzzle's on them.[/p][/quote]hellen, if your earlier response hadn't been so unintelligible i might have given you the courtesy of a reply. my apologies but muzzle away (hannibal lechter stylee) as far as i'm concerned. asbo. just the truth
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11:21pm Tue 8 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

I love Essex wrote:
hellen wrote:
doglover wrote:
Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog.
What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame.
Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places.
BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible.
Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child.
Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl.
I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous
well said I am so glad that a dog lover commented on here its getting ridiculous now people saying muzzle them if people train there dog's not to bite then there is no need to put muzzle's on them.
got to admit, am fed up with public who want to pet my dog when tied up....he is big and lovely looking, but would fear bite. So is muzzled - labs are attackers - got done over today by one - again
. whole in the boot- third time...
well we have the evidence. labs might take out your jugular next time around. btw english is our chosen language of communication here. if you could leave the kosovan in kosovo that would be be much appreciated
[quote][p][bold]I love Essex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]doglover[/bold] wrote: Wow, what a lot of dog haters and people who cant look past the dog. What happened here was a tragic accident, both parties are to blame. Personally I wouldnt ever tie my dog up outside a shop, but people do and shops even encourage it with a dog tie ring/post at lots of places. BUT IF I did tie my dog up outside a shop, I wouldnt expect anyone to approach/touch it and I would never allow one of my children to approach/touch a dog without asking myself first in the owner, of course a 4 yr old couldnt quite undertand the danger, so the parent should be responsible. Dog alone outside shop{now we dont know if this dog has ear problems/ear infection or sensitive to having ears pulled} but that aside, no dog should have its ears pulled by a stranger/child, and the repsonse was a simple basic one, the dog snapped throug FEAR! not savaged the child. Now I would like to say that I wish a full and speedy recovery to the little girl. I am sure both the dog owner and the childs mother feel terrible about the whole situation, but calling for the dogs death and prosecution and all dogs muzzled is beyond rediculaous[/p][/quote]well said I am so glad that a dog lover commented on here its getting ridiculous now people saying muzzle them if people train there dog's not to bite then there is no need to put muzzle's on them.[/p][/quote]got to admit, am fed up with public who want to pet my dog when tied up....he is big and lovely looking, but would fear bite. So is muzzled - labs are attackers - got done over today by one - again . whole in the boot- third time...[/p][/quote]well we have the evidence. labs might take out your jugular next time around. btw english is our chosen language of communication here. if you could leave the kosovan in kosovo that would be be much appreciated asbo. just the truth
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9:54am Wed 9 Jan 13

luvinlife says...

I have two young children who are nervous of dogs, stemming from negative experiences, almost always it's inconsiderate, inexperienced or inept dog owners to blame.

A little advice: if you tie a dog up, it becomes a different animal.

I have owned dogs all my life, usually it's not the dog to blame it's owners.
I have two young children who are nervous of dogs, stemming from negative experiences, almost always it's inconsiderate, inexperienced or inept dog owners to blame. A little advice: if you tie a dog up, it becomes a different animal. I have owned dogs all my life, usually it's not the dog to blame it's owners. luvinlife
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11:22am Wed 9 Jan 13

hellen says...

hellen wrote:
asbo. just the truth wrote:
if i were a betting man (which i am) i would say more than half of the anti muzzle brigade here on this blog are staffie owners. i'll let you draw your own conclusions.
you said you are a better man if that is so why did you not wright more to defend the breed of dog
reference your statement If I were a better man etc,
I have a WEST HIGHLAND TERRIER NOT A RUDDY STAFFIE.
I know people with staffs and they are very well trained. I myself am not keen on bigger dogs but have come to the conclusion that as I an a bit wary of them then they of course sense this and are wary of me in return. Dogs are pack animals and will always need to be trained to a decent level even small dogs can be vicious when they want. .Its now not about the wee lassie its about dogs and the anti dog brigade. Also it was mentioned in an earlier post about Shoebury East beach being a big dog toilet. Well I'm fed up, telling my dog not to pick up used nappies, used tampons and used sanitary towels. I and my dog could get an infection from then and that is disgusting to find those sorts of rubbish anywhere. Kids could find, stumble or fall on them too.

And this from people who should know better
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: if i were a betting man (which i am) i would say more than half of the anti muzzle brigade here on this blog are staffie owners. i'll let you draw your own conclusions.[/p][/quote]you said you are a better man if that is so why did you not wright more to defend the breed of dog[/p][/quote]reference your statement If I were a better man etc, I have a WEST HIGHLAND TERRIER NOT A RUDDY STAFFIE. I know people with staffs and they are very well trained. I myself am not keen on bigger dogs but have come to the conclusion that as I an a bit wary of them then they of course sense this and are wary of me in return. Dogs are pack animals and will always need to be trained to a decent level even small dogs can be vicious when they want. .Its now not about the wee lassie its about dogs and the anti dog brigade. Also it was mentioned in an earlier post about Shoebury East beach being a big dog toilet. Well I'm fed up, telling my dog not to pick up used nappies, used tampons and used sanitary towels. I and my dog could get an infection from then and that is disgusting to find those sorts of rubbish anywhere. Kids could find, stumble or fall on them too. And this from people who should know better hellen
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11:32am Wed 9 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

betting meaning that i like to place bets. you should check your post of 7.12pm on saturday where you state you have a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie.
betting meaning that i like to place bets. you should check your post of 7.12pm on saturday where you state you have a Siberian husky type wolf & a staffie. asbo. just the truth
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11:44am Wed 9 Jan 13

hellen says...

for the idiot who just replied to my post. If you check previous posts you will see that I am using my friends pc and have used her details to reply. She has the siberian husky and staff I have a wee terrier. How about you get a life and stop putting stupid posts on here. Do you even have a dog because as I stated in my previous post, this is no longer about the wee girl its about dog haters. Thats all.
for the idiot who just replied to my post. If you check previous posts you will see that I am using my friends pc and have used her details to reply. She has the siberian husky and staff I have a wee terrier. How about you get a life and stop putting stupid posts on here. Do you even have a dog because as I stated in my previous post, this is no longer about the wee girl its about dog haters. Thats all. hellen
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1:34pm Wed 9 Jan 13

DogsMessInLeigh says...

luvinlife wrote:
I have two young children who are nervous of dogs, stemming from negative experiences, almost always it's inconsiderate, inexperienced or inept dog owners to blame.

A little advice: if you tie a dog up, it becomes a different animal.

I have owned dogs all my life, usually it's not the dog to blame it's owners.
Me too...my little one was jumped by a roaming free large dog in Belfairs woods when he was 4, the owner said ohhh don't worry he won't hurt, well explain that to a 4 year old thats just been jumped on by a heavy large excitable dog...but looking back maybe not such a bad thing as he don't go anywhere near them now...and thats 4 years on..!!
[quote][p][bold]luvinlife[/bold] wrote: I have two young children who are nervous of dogs, stemming from negative experiences, almost always it's inconsiderate, inexperienced or inept dog owners to blame. A little advice: if you tie a dog up, it becomes a different animal. I have owned dogs all my life, usually it's not the dog to blame it's owners.[/p][/quote]Me too...my little one was jumped by a roaming free large dog in Belfairs woods when he was 4, the owner said ohhh don't worry he won't hurt, well explain that to a 4 year old thats just been jumped on by a heavy large excitable dog...but looking back maybe not such a bad thing as he don't go anywhere near them now...and thats 4 years on..!! DogsMessInLeigh
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1:56pm Wed 9 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

hellen wrote:
for the idiot who just replied to my post. If you check previous posts you will see that I am using my friends pc and have used her details to reply. She has the siberian husky and staff I have a wee terrier. How about you get a life and stop putting stupid posts on here. Do you even have a dog because as I stated in my previous post, this is no longer about the wee girl its about dog haters. Thats all.
presumably your definition of dog hater is someone who doesn't own a dog...
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: for the idiot who just replied to my post. If you check previous posts you will see that I am using my friends pc and have used her details to reply. She has the siberian husky and staff I have a wee terrier. How about you get a life and stop putting stupid posts on here. Do you even have a dog because as I stated in my previous post, this is no longer about the wee girl its about dog haters. Thats all.[/p][/quote]presumably your definition of dog hater is someone who doesn't own a dog... asbo. just the truth
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2:42pm Wed 9 Jan 13

DogsMessInLeigh says...

It is confusing when people use other peoples log in details., if using another pc surely you can still use your own log in details thus saving confusion and delay.
It is confusing when people use other peoples log in details., if using another pc surely you can still use your own log in details thus saving confusion and delay. DogsMessInLeigh
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4:25pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Antonius says...

Love me, love my kids..........and dog(s)
Love me, love my kids..........and dog(s) Antonius
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6:15pm Thu 10 Jan 13

aaronslater says...

Firstly, thoughts and best wishes are with the girl on making a speedy and successful recovery.
Secondly, how anyone can pass judgement without knowing specifics is beyond me. The dog could have, for no apparent reason, ran 50 metres and started attacking her. On the other hand the girl could have ran up to the dog and startled it. Who knows?!
Thirdly, and most importantly, these comments should be used to wish a speedy recovery to the poor girl and to help find the totally irresponsible dog owner, rather than a platform for keyboard arguments between ignoramuses.
Firstly, thoughts and best wishes are with the girl on making a speedy and successful recovery. Secondly, how anyone can pass judgement without knowing specifics is beyond me. The dog could have, for no apparent reason, ran 50 metres and started attacking her. On the other hand the girl could have ran up to the dog and startled it. Who knows?! Thirdly, and most importantly, these comments should be used to wish a speedy recovery to the poor girl and to help find the totally irresponsible dog owner, rather than a platform for keyboard arguments between ignoramuses. aaronslater
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9:58pm Thu 10 Jan 13

I love Essex says...

I for one, as a large dog owner am confident enough in my training to happily allow anyone who needs more confidence in 'big dog socialising' a go. Yes my pooch is BIG, does not mean he is going to attach you....
I for one, as a large dog owner am confident enough in my training to happily allow anyone who needs more confidence in 'big dog socialising' a go. Yes my pooch is BIG, does not mean he is going to attach you.... I love Essex
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10:01pm Thu 10 Jan 13

I love Essex says...

or attack you even...
or attack you even... I love Essex
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10:32pm Thu 10 Jan 13

sunflowers karen says...

sunflowers karen:
my son 13 yrs, too was bitten badly by a dog, staffie/terrier cross, 3 weeks ago, called police they investigated, my son had done no wrong his friend was startled by the dog causing it to bit. (from behind) the dog owner see the bit and carried on walking his dog!!! and admits the children did no wrong it come from no where... the owner was 87 yrs old so has been CAUTIONED!!! mainly due to his age. And advised but not ENFORCED the dog to be muzzled. I am sure if he'd had been 'a chavvy' owner as mentioned by some others it would had been different. My son is still receiving treatment at docs for bite. I think this is disguising and am now waiting from a response from the newly elected Police and Crime Commissioner.
sunflowers karen: my son 13 yrs, too was bitten badly by a dog, staffie/terrier cross, 3 weeks ago, called police they investigated, my son had done no wrong his friend was startled by the dog causing it to bit. (from behind) the dog owner see the bit and carried on walking his dog!!! and admits the children did no wrong it come from no where... the owner was 87 yrs old so has been CAUTIONED!!! mainly due to his age. And advised but not ENFORCED the dog to be muzzled. I am sure if he'd had been 'a chavvy' owner as mentioned by some others it would had been different. My son is still receiving treatment at docs for bite. I think this is disguising and am now waiting from a response from the newly elected Police and Crime Commissioner. sunflowers karen
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12:24pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Peter245 says...

I have registered just to comment on this story because of all the small minded people that have commented. Why should an animal be put down for biting someone? A person doesn't get slaughtered for punching someone. No animal should be murdered for harming someone, the owner should be made to pay compensation and have to pay for the dog to be put through rehabilitation, and if they fail to do so, the dog should then be removed from that persons care, and placed into rehab, then re-homed. No animal should die because of this, It is the owners fault, not the animals.

If a young child was to commit a crime, its the parents that are to blame for a poor up-bringing. Why is it different with animals?

Think about it before you comment.

I hope the young girl isn't scarred, and recovers well
I have registered just to comment on this story because of all the small minded people that have commented. Why should an animal be put down for biting someone? A person doesn't get slaughtered for punching someone. No animal should be murdered for harming someone, the owner should be made to pay compensation and have to pay for the dog to be put through rehabilitation, and if they fail to do so, the dog should then be removed from that persons care, and placed into rehab, then re-homed. No animal should die because of this, It is the owners fault, not the animals. If a young child was to commit a crime, its the parents that are to blame for a poor up-bringing. Why is it different with animals? Think about it before you comment. I hope the young girl isn't scarred, and recovers well Peter245
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2:31pm Fri 11 Jan 13

smiffy1980 says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Muzzles make compulsory or put 'em down, ban owners from keeping these status symbols
Since when has a Labrador been a status symbol ?

Bit narrow minded dont you think
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Muzzles make compulsory or put 'em down, ban owners from keeping these status symbols[/p][/quote]Since when has a Labrador been a status symbol ? Bit narrow minded dont you think smiffy1980
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3:45pm Fri 11 Jan 13

hellen says...

Peter245 wrote:
I have registered just to comment on this story because of all the small minded people that have commented. Why should an animal be put down for biting someone? A person doesn't get slaughtered for punching someone. No animal should be murdered for harming someone, the owner should be made to pay compensation and have to pay for the dog to be put through rehabilitation, and if they fail to do so, the dog should then be removed from that persons care, and placed into rehab, then re-homed. No animal should die because of this, It is the owners fault, not the animals.

If a young child was to commit a crime, its the parents that are to blame for a poor up-bringing. Why is it different with animals?

Think about it before you comment.

I hope the young girl isn't scarred, and recovers well
well said I quite agree at the end of the day its not the dogs fault.why does dont murderers get put down because the tax payer keeps them rapped up in cotton wool.
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: I have registered just to comment on this story because of all the small minded people that have commented. Why should an animal be put down for biting someone? A person doesn't get slaughtered for punching someone. No animal should be murdered for harming someone, the owner should be made to pay compensation and have to pay for the dog to be put through rehabilitation, and if they fail to do so, the dog should then be removed from that persons care, and placed into rehab, then re-homed. No animal should die because of this, It is the owners fault, not the animals. If a young child was to commit a crime, its the parents that are to blame for a poor up-bringing. Why is it different with animals? Think about it before you comment. I hope the young girl isn't scarred, and recovers well[/p][/quote]well said I quite agree at the end of the day its not the dogs fault.why does dont murderers get put down because the tax payer keeps them rapped up in cotton wool. hellen
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5:48pm Fri 11 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

Peter245 wrote:
I have registered just to comment on this story because of all the small minded people that have commented. Why should an animal be put down for biting someone? A person doesn't get slaughtered for punching someone. No animal should be murdered for harming someone, the owner should be made to pay compensation and have to pay for the dog to be put through rehabilitation, and if they fail to do so, the dog should then be removed from that persons care, and placed into rehab, then re-homed. No animal should die because of this, It is the owners fault, not the animals.

If a young child was to commit a crime, its the parents that are to blame for a poor up-bringing. Why is it different with animals?

Think about it before you comment.

I hope the young girl isn't scarred, and recovers well
should we just "murder" the owner then? are you going to pay for all these damaged animals to be rehabilitated and re-homed? if not then don't make ridiculous suggestions.
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: I have registered just to comment on this story because of all the small minded people that have commented. Why should an animal be put down for biting someone? A person doesn't get slaughtered for punching someone. No animal should be murdered for harming someone, the owner should be made to pay compensation and have to pay for the dog to be put through rehabilitation, and if they fail to do so, the dog should then be removed from that persons care, and placed into rehab, then re-homed. No animal should die because of this, It is the owners fault, not the animals. If a young child was to commit a crime, its the parents that are to blame for a poor up-bringing. Why is it different with animals? Think about it before you comment. I hope the young girl isn't scarred, and recovers well[/p][/quote]should we just "murder" the owner then? are you going to pay for all these damaged animals to be rehabilitated and re-homed? if not then don't make ridiculous suggestions. asbo. just the truth
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6:09pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Peter245 says...

As taxpayers, we all pay for 100,000 criminals to be rehabilitated, why cant the government have a scheme to rehabilitate animals? And any animal owner that actually cares about their animal would pay to do this themselves instead of having it taken away from them.

A person gets to carry on living at the cost of the taxpayer after taking anothers life, Why should an animal be killed for causing a flesh wound to someone?

If I was biten by a dog that I walked up to in the street, Its my own fault for approaching it. But if a dog ran at me and attacked me, it should be put into proper training.
As taxpayers, we all pay for 100,000 criminals to be rehabilitated, why cant the government have a scheme to rehabilitate animals? And any animal owner that actually cares about their animal would pay to do this themselves instead of having it taken away from them. A person gets to carry on living at the cost of the taxpayer after taking anothers life, Why should an animal be killed for causing a flesh wound to someone? If I was biten by a dog that I walked up to in the street, Its my own fault for approaching it. But if a dog ran at me and attacked me, it should be put into proper training. Peter245
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7:09pm Fri 11 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

Peter245 wrote:
As taxpayers, we all pay for 100,000 criminals to be rehabilitated, why cant the government have a scheme to rehabilitate animals? And any animal owner that actually cares about their animal would pay to do this themselves instead of having it taken away from them.

A person gets to carry on living at the cost of the taxpayer after taking anothers life, Why should an animal be killed for causing a flesh wound to someone?

If I was biten by a dog that I walked up to in the street, Its my own fault for approaching it. But if a dog ran at me and attacked me, it should be put into proper training.
you are joking. why are owners that mistreat their animals going to pay for rehabilition? they don't care about their animals full stop. an animal's life is expendable - cattle are slaughtered for our dinner table, a human being's life is not.
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: As taxpayers, we all pay for 100,000 criminals to be rehabilitated, why cant the government have a scheme to rehabilitate animals? And any animal owner that actually cares about their animal would pay to do this themselves instead of having it taken away from them. A person gets to carry on living at the cost of the taxpayer after taking anothers life, Why should an animal be killed for causing a flesh wound to someone? If I was biten by a dog that I walked up to in the street, Its my own fault for approaching it. But if a dog ran at me and attacked me, it should be put into proper training.[/p][/quote]you are joking. why are owners that mistreat their animals going to pay for rehabilition? they don't care about their animals full stop. an animal's life is expendable - cattle are slaughtered for our dinner table, a human being's life is not. asbo. just the truth
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7:54pm Fri 11 Jan 13

hellen says...

well said Peter they should do the same for the animals I dont think its right that a dog bites someone then they get put down they should do the same to killers, child molesters what is good for one should be good for the other.
well said Peter they should do the same for the animals I dont think its right that a dog bites someone then they get put down they should do the same to killers, child molesters what is good for one should be good for the other. hellen
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8:34pm Fri 11 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

hellen wrote:
well said Peter they should do the same for the animals I dont think its right that a dog bites someone then they get put down they should do the same to killers, child molesters what is good for one should be good for the other.
i take it you're vegetarian unless you place a dog's existence above a cow's existence.
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: well said Peter they should do the same for the animals I dont think its right that a dog bites someone then they get put down they should do the same to killers, child molesters what is good for one should be good for the other.[/p][/quote]i take it you're vegetarian unless you place a dog's existence above a cow's existence. asbo. just the truth
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8:53pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Essex Medja says...

What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...
What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe... Essex Medja
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8:59pm Fri 11 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

Essex Medja wrote:
What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...
i like you essex medja. you speak the truth
[quote][p][bold]Essex Medja[/bold] wrote: What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...[/p][/quote]i like you essex medja. you speak the truth asbo. just the truth
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9:11pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Peter245 says...

Essex Medja wrote:
What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...
A dog bonds with people if treated right, so do cats and other animals. Pets are excellent companions. They dont argue or answer back, because they cant speak. So someone has to speak up for them.

If you had a dog and it was murdered, you would be upset, and want to do the same to the person that done it. Exactly the same if it was a member of your family that was murdered. Its no different. Love is unconditional when it comes to animals and people. My argument isnt that murderers and rapists should be scentenced to death, its that animals shouldnt be!
[quote][p][bold]Essex Medja[/bold] wrote: What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...[/p][/quote]A dog bonds with people if treated right, so do cats and other animals. Pets are excellent companions. They dont argue or answer back, because they cant speak. So someone has to speak up for them. If you had a dog and it was murdered, you would be upset, and want to do the same to the person that done it. Exactly the same if it was a member of your family that was murdered. Its no different. Love is unconditional when it comes to animals and people. My argument isnt that murderers and rapists should be scentenced to death, its that animals shouldnt be! Peter245
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9:11pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Peter245 says...

Essex Medja wrote:
What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...
A dog bonds with people if treated right, so do cats and other animals. Pets are excellent companions. They dont argue or answer back, because they cant speak. So someone has to speak up for them.

If you had a dog and it was murdered, you would be upset, and want to do the same to the person that done it. Exactly the same if it was a member of your family that was murdered. Its no different. Love is unconditional when it comes to animals and people. My argument isnt that murderers and rapists should be scentenced to death, its that animals shouldnt be!
[quote][p][bold]Essex Medja[/bold] wrote: What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...[/p][/quote]A dog bonds with people if treated right, so do cats and other animals. Pets are excellent companions. They dont argue or answer back, because they cant speak. So someone has to speak up for them. If you had a dog and it was murdered, you would be upset, and want to do the same to the person that done it. Exactly the same if it was a member of your family that was murdered. Its no different. Love is unconditional when it comes to animals and people. My argument isnt that murderers and rapists should be scentenced to death, its that animals shouldnt be! Peter245
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9:11pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Peter245 says...

Essex Medja wrote:
What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...
A dog bonds with people if treated right, so do cats and other animals. Pets are excellent companions. They dont argue or answer back, because they cant speak. So someone has to speak up for them.

If you had a dog and it was murdered, you would be upset, and want to do the same to the person that done it. Exactly the same if it was a member of your family that was murdered. Its no different. Love is unconditional when it comes to animals and people. My argument isnt that murderers and rapists should be scentenced to death, its that animals shouldnt be!
[quote][p][bold]Essex Medja[/bold] wrote: What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...[/p][/quote]A dog bonds with people if treated right, so do cats and other animals. Pets are excellent companions. They dont argue or answer back, because they cant speak. So someone has to speak up for them. If you had a dog and it was murdered, you would be upset, and want to do the same to the person that done it. Exactly the same if it was a member of your family that was murdered. Its no different. Love is unconditional when it comes to animals and people. My argument isnt that murderers and rapists should be scentenced to death, its that animals shouldnt be! Peter245
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9:16pm Fri 11 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

Peter245 wrote:
Essex Medja wrote:
What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...
A dog bonds with people if treated right, so do cats and other animals. Pets are excellent companions. They dont argue or answer back, because they cant speak. So someone has to speak up for them.

If you had a dog and it was murdered, you would be upset, and want to do the same to the person that done it. Exactly the same if it was a member of your family that was murdered. Its no different. Love is unconditional when it comes to animals and people. My argument isnt that murderers and rapists should be scentenced to death, its that animals shouldnt be!
so should we take your vegan status as a given?
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Essex Medja[/bold] wrote: What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...[/p][/quote]A dog bonds with people if treated right, so do cats and other animals. Pets are excellent companions. They dont argue or answer back, because they cant speak. So someone has to speak up for them. If you had a dog and it was murdered, you would be upset, and want to do the same to the person that done it. Exactly the same if it was a member of your family that was murdered. Its no different. Love is unconditional when it comes to animals and people. My argument isnt that murderers and rapists should be scentenced to death, its that animals shouldnt be![/p][/quote]so should we take your vegan status as a given? asbo. just the truth
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10:36pm Fri 11 Jan 13

hellen says...

asbo. just the truth wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Essex Medja wrote:
What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...
A dog bonds with people if treated right, so do cats and other animals. Pets are excellent companions. They dont argue or answer back, because they cant speak. So someone has to speak up for them.

If you had a dog and it was murdered, you would be upset, and want to do the same to the person that done it. Exactly the same if it was a member of your family that was murdered. Its no different. Love is unconditional when it comes to animals and people. My argument isnt that murderers and rapists should be scentenced to death, its that animals shouldnt be!
so should we take your vegan status as a given?
I would trust a animal more than I would a human yes murderers and rapists should be hung.
[quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Essex Medja[/bold] wrote: What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...[/p][/quote]A dog bonds with people if treated right, so do cats and other animals. Pets are excellent companions. They dont argue or answer back, because they cant speak. So someone has to speak up for them. If you had a dog and it was murdered, you would be upset, and want to do the same to the person that done it. Exactly the same if it was a member of your family that was murdered. Its no different. Love is unconditional when it comes to animals and people. My argument isnt that murderers and rapists should be scentenced to death, its that animals shouldnt be![/p][/quote]so should we take your vegan status as a given?[/p][/quote]I would trust a animal more than I would a human yes murderers and rapists should be hung. hellen
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9:06am Sat 12 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

hellen wrote:
asbo. just the truth wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Essex Medja wrote:
What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...
A dog bonds with people if treated right, so do cats and other animals. Pets are excellent companions. They dont argue or answer back, because they cant speak. So someone has to speak up for them.

If you had a dog and it was murdered, you would be upset, and want to do the same to the person that done it. Exactly the same if it was a member of your family that was murdered. Its no different. Love is unconditional when it comes to animals and people. My argument isnt that murderers and rapists should be scentenced to death, its that animals shouldnt be!
so should we take your vegan status as a given?
I would trust a animal more than I would a human yes murderers and rapists should be hung.
so should we take your vegan status as a given?
[quote][p][bold]hellen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Essex Medja[/bold] wrote: What you have to remeber asbo is that there are a lot of people who hate humans but love animals.They get kind of screwed up living in the real world of people when what they really want to be is roaming free in the forest with the wolf pack chasing down a fawn and ripping it to pieces, maybe...[/p][/quote]A dog bonds with people if treated right, so do cats and other animals. Pets are excellent companions. They dont argue or answer back, because they cant speak. So someone has to speak up for them. If you had a dog and it was murdered, you would be upset, and want to do the same to the person that done it. Exactly the same if it was a member of your family that was murdered. Its no different. Love is unconditional when it comes to animals and people. My argument isnt that murderers and rapists should be scentenced to death, its that animals shouldnt be![/p][/quote]so should we take your vegan status as a given?[/p][/quote]I would trust a animal more than I would a human yes murderers and rapists should be hung.[/p][/quote]so should we take your vegan status as a given? asbo. just the truth
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