Three south Essex MPs rebel over gay marriage vote (From Echo)

it's the thin end of the wedge. what's the next bit of urgent parliamentary business for cameron...men marrying donkeys?

Why am I not surprised that David Amess doesn't seem to have a decent bone in his body. Here's hoping all the rebels lose their seats at the earliest available opportunity.

When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman.

I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible.

I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman.

3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win.

What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

Rich=Carol wrote:
When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman. I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible. I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman. 3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win. What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

personally i couldn t care less , but if it comes down to a choice between a couple getting married or following the mad incoherent ramblings of the religious fraternity and their silly books of rules, then im happy to let people get on with it.
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would liked to see some qoutes from those who voted against as to their reasons.

When taking the wedding vowels

I think you'll find a few consonants in there too

Rich=Carol wrote:
When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman.

I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible.

I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman.

3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win.

What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

The wedding 'vowels'? Really? Typical Christian - being prejudiced and bombastic and you don't even have education enough to understand the tripe you're shoveling.

Tell the millions of hetrosexuals that are getting divorced to stop devaluing marriage before you have a go at the gay folk, eh?

It's a good thing. If a couple love each other and want a committed relationship then why shouldn't they be able to get married, regardless of their gender?
It's the only good, fair thing the coalition have done since taking power.

For the first time in years I have to congratulate James Duddridge on doing the right thing for a change when he voted in favour of the bill.

So, only God can change the bible, Carol. I was under the impression it was written by humans and several centuries after the fact as well (have you ever played Chinese Whispers?). Not only that but, at the risk of coming over all Dan Brown and conspiracy theorist, several books/gospels were not included in the final version because they perhaps showed Jesus in a more human and less miraculous light.

Rich=Carol wrote:
When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman.

I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible.

I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman.

3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win.

What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

Last week a heterosexual couple got married in 'onesies'.

It isn't same sex couples who are devaluing marriage.

Tone-Fu wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:
When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman.

I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible.

I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman.

3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win.

What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

The wedding 'vowels'? Really? Typical Christian - being prejudiced and bombastic and you don't even have education enough to understand the tripe you're shoveling.

Tell the millions of hetrosexuals that are getting divorced to stop devaluing marriage before you have a go at the gay folk, eh?

I hate religion and never been into it as its not my thing. I go to church and synagogues for weddings christinings and barmistvahs and I got married twice in registry offices because im not religous on little bit but i respect religions and the bible and according to tv progs that the bible does not support homosexual. I am annoyed that this country who were mostly christians have had their religion and beliefs changed by a government.

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:
When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman.

I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible.

I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman.

3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win.

What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

The wedding 'vowels'? Really? Typical Christian - being prejudiced and bombastic and you don't even have education enough to understand the tripe you're shoveling.

Tell the millions of hetrosexuals that are getting divorced to stop devaluing marriage before you have a go at the gay folk, eh?

I hate religion and never been into it as its not my thing. I go to church and synagogues for weddings christinings and barmistvahs and I got married twice in registry offices because im not religous on little bit but i respect religions and the bible and according to tv progs that the bible does not support homosexual. I am annoyed that this country who were mostly christians have had their religion and beliefs changed by a government.

So you yourself have been married more than once? Yet you're having a pop at gay people 'devaluing' marriage?

Turn it in.

Also, for what it's worth, this country isn't a poxy Christian country. Britons were happily Pagan before they had Christianity forced down their throats.

And as a post script, you should be aware that the majority in this country are no longer Christian.

Praise Odin.

Tone-Fu wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:
When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman.

I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible.

I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman.

3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win.

What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

The wedding 'vowels'? Really? Typical Christian - being prejudiced and bombastic and you don't even have education enough to understand the tripe you're shoveling.

Tell the millions of hetrosexuals that are getting divorced to stop devaluing marriage before you have a go at the gay folk, eh?

I hate religion and never been into it as its not my thing. I go to church and synagogues for weddings christinings and barmistvahs and I got married twice in registry offices because im not religous on little bit but i respect religions and the bible and according to tv progs that the bible does not support homosexual. I am annoyed that this country who were mostly christians have had their religion and beliefs changed by a government.

So you yourself have been married more than once? Yet you're having a pop at gay people 'devaluing' marriage?

Turn it in.

Also, for what it's worth, this country isn't a poxy Christian country. Britons were happily Pagan before they had Christianity forced down their throats.

And as a post script, you should be aware that the majority in this country are no longer Christian.

Praise Odin.

What a load of tripe you write. Your quoting this country is no longer christian well thats not true yet. You should respect other religions and stop being rude and abusive to other peoples beliefs. This discussion is about Homosexuals and lesbians and not a post for you to slaggg off christians

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
It's a good thing. If a couple love each other and want a committed relationship then why shouldn't they be able to get married, regardless of their gender? It's the only good, fair thing the coalition have done since taking power. For the first time in years I have to congratulate James Duddridge on doing the right thing for a change when he voted in favour of the bill.

Knock me down with a feather!! yesterday in support of the council today the goverment, tommorrow ukip ?

Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Tone-Fu wrote:
Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Your comments are absolutley tripe and ive read more sensible comments in the Beano. You quote so much ssshit and make yourself out to be intellegent when aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators. The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect. I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage. I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman. Thats my opinion. Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions. Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are.

Marriage as a union between a man and a woman is older than any religion or political ideology and Cameron is a fool if he thinks he can rewrite that.

And please, can we have our word back. It isn't gay marriage, it's homosexual marriage. So please let's not beat about the bush ... er, I'd best stop now, but you catch my drift.

notinwestcliffanymor
e wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
It's a good thing. If a couple love each other and want a committed relationship then why shouldn't they be able to get married, regardless of their gender? It's the only good, fair thing the coalition have done since taking power. For the first time in years I have to congratulate James Duddridge on doing the right thing for a change when he voted in favour of the bill.

Knock me down with a feather!! yesterday in support of the council today the goverment, tommorrow ukip ?

You don't read very well do you? I support this ONE thing, and congratulate James Duddridge on this ONE thing. That does not make me a supporter of this government, or Dudds. As for the monster raving little Englander party, I will never support them.

marshman wrote:
Marriage as a union between a man and a woman is older than any religion or political ideology and Cameron is a fool if he thinks he can rewrite that.

And please, can we have our word back. It isn't gay marriage, it's homosexual marriage. So please let's not beat about the bush ... er, I'd best stop now, but you catch my drift.

Its about time someone wrote sensible comments. Well said and well written marshman.

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:
Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Your comments are absolutley tripe and ive read more sensible comments in the Beano. You quote so much ssshit and make yourself out to be intellegent when aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators. The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect. I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage. I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman. Thats my opinion. Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions. Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are.

"The sacred vowels of marriage…" Were your TWO marriages consonanted in churches? (sic)

You claim equal marriage devalues marriage and ignore your own devaluing of marriage by doing it twice.

The government have spent weeks and god knows how much money on gay marriage, but in reality, the vast majority of people don't give a toss about gay marriage. With everything going on in the country and world, our so-called 'leaders' think that gay marriage is the most important thing going on right now.....what a complete waste of time and money.....WHO CARES???? (apart from the out of touch politicians)

Some food for thought here:
http://www.upworthy.
com/revealed-what-je
sus-had-to-say-about
-homosexuality-in-30
-seconds?c=ufb1

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:
Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Your comments are absolutley tripe and ive read more sensible comments in the Beano. You quote so much ssshit and make yourself out to be intellegent when aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators. The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect. I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage. I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman. Thats my opinion. Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions. Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are.

"The sacred vowels of marriage…" Were your TWO marriages consonanted in churches? (sic)

You claim equal marriage devalues marriage and ignore your own devaluing of marriage by doing it twice.

I got married twice and both in registry offices because im not religous one bit but i do repect other peoples beliefs. If you rembember my first husband died on duty in a RTA . Yes i feel strong that homosexuals and lesbians should not be allowed to get married in a church. I support all the people that are against this debacle

Parsnip wrote:
The government have spent weeks and god knows how much money on gay marriage, but in reality, the vast majority of people don't give a toss about gay marriage. With everything going on in the country and world, our so-called 'leaders' think that gay marriage is the most important thing going on right now.....what a complete waste of time and money.....WHO CARES???? (apart from the out of touch politicians)

heeeeeaaaaaarrrrr heeeeeaaaaaarrrrr. mind you many had their own vested interests at heart when they voted for so not out of touch with their own needs clearly.

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:
Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Your comments are absolutley tripe and ive read more sensible comments in the Beano. You quote so much ssshit and make yourself out to be intellegent when aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators. The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect. I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage. I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman. Thats my opinion. Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions. Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are.

"The sacred vowels of marriage…" Were your TWO marriages consonanted in churches? (sic)

You claim equal marriage devalues marriage and ignore your own devaluing of marriage by doing it twice.

I got married twice and both in registry offices because im not religous one bit but i do repect other peoples beliefs. If you rembember my first husband died on duty in a RTA . Yes i feel strong that homosexuals and lesbians should not be allowed to get married in a church. I support all the people that are against this debacle

I think people objecting on 'religious grounds' are just using that as a smokescreen for their prejudice and bigotry.

marshman wrote:
Marriage as a union between a man and a woman is older than any religion or political ideology and Cameron is a fool if he thinks he can rewrite that.

And please, can we have our word back. It isn't gay marriage, it's homosexual marriage. So please let's not beat about the bush ... er, I'd best stop now, but you catch my drift.

Actually it isn't 'gay' marriage or 'homosexual' marriage, its EQUAL marriage, or just 'marriage'.

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:
Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Your comments are absolutley tripe and ive read more sensible comments in the Beano. You quote so much ssshit and make yourself out to be intellegent when aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators. The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect. I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage. I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman. Thats my opinion. Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions. Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are.

"The sacred vowels of marriage…" Were your TWO marriages consonanted in churches? (sic)

You claim equal marriage devalues marriage and ignore your own devaluing of marriage by doing it twice.

I got married twice and both in registry offices because im not religous one bit but i do repect other peoples beliefs. If you rembember my first husband died on duty in a RTA . Yes i feel strong that homosexuals and lesbians should not be allowed to get married in a church. I support all the people that are against this debacle

If you respect other people's beliefs then you would not have got divorced. Hope you never had sex outside of wedlock, or never committed adultery. Hope you've never lied, or judged, or taken the 'lords' name in vain etc.

Funny how when they want to discriminate people suddenly coming over all Christian only cherry pick the bits that suit their prejudices.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:
Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Your comments are absolutley tripe and ive read more sensible comments in the Beano. You quote so much ssshit and make yourself out to be intellegent when aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators. The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect. I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage. I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman. Thats my opinion. Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions. Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are.

"The sacred vowels of marriage…" Were your TWO marriages consonanted in churches? (sic)

You claim equal marriage devalues marriage and ignore your own devaluing of marriage by doing it twice.

I got married twice and both in registry offices because im not religous one bit but i do repect other peoples beliefs. If you rembember my first husband died on duty in a RTA . Yes i feel strong that homosexuals and lesbians should not be allowed to get married in a church. I support all the people that are against this debacle

I think people objecting on 'religious grounds' are just using that as a smokescreen for their prejudice and bigotry.

I dont aggre with your statement. Most people dont care a iota but many people respect religion and I dont agree with you saying prejudice and bigorty. I think people are just fed up with listening to homosexuals telling the government what they want and the government saying ok i will change scared vowels and the rules that have been for thousands of years.

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:
Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Your comments are absolutley tripe and ive read more sensible comments in the Beano. You quote so much ssshit and make yourself out to be intellegent when aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators. The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect. I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage. I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman. Thats my opinion. Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions. Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are.

"The sacred vowels of marriage…" Were your TWO marriages consonanted in churches? (sic)

You claim equal marriage devalues marriage and ignore your own devaluing of marriage by doing it twice.

I got married twice and both in registry offices because im not religous one bit but i do repect other peoples beliefs. If you rembember my first husband died on duty in a RTA . Yes i feel strong that homosexuals and lesbians should not be allowed to get married in a church. I support all the people that are against this debacle

I think people objecting on 'religious grounds' are just using that as a smokescreen for their prejudice and bigotry.

I dont aggre with your statement. Most people dont care a iota but many people respect religion and I dont agree with you saying prejudice and bigorty. I think people are just fed up with listening to homosexuals telling the government what they want and the government saying ok i will change scared vowels and the rules that have been for thousands of years.

QED.

the irony is they will never have "equal status" as they will never be able to marry in a church. a pyrrhic victory at best.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

marshman wrote: Marriage as a union between a man and a woman is older than any religion or political ideology and Cameron is a fool if he thinks he can rewrite that. And please, can we have our word back. It isn't gay marriage, it's homosexual marriage. So please let's not beat about the bush ... er, I'd best stop now, but you catch my drift.

Actually it isn't 'gay' marriage or 'homosexual' marriage, its EQUAL marriage, or just 'marriage'.

Not according to every dictionary ever written. It's clearly defined as a union between a man and a woman since time immemorial. Otherwise why give it a prefix (gay, same sex, homosexual, equal etc)? It's this traditional definition of marriage parliament is attempting to rewrite and redefine and they really aren't qualified to do that. It's a bit like trying to change the name of a popular old pub. No matter what it's renamed as people still call it by the old name and after a few years it reverts back. No, union of same sex couples isn't a marriage, it's a relationship like one.

And before you ask, I don't consider myself homophobic, anti-gay or any of the other bricbats that are gonna come my way. I'm a man of the world, 20 years in the navy, been everywhere, seen everything, tried everything at least once and if I didn't like it I left it alone thereafter. I've been married twice, got 3 kids and left a string of broken hearts all over the world - male and female.

When does the House of Lords get a chance to kick it into the gutter?

Sam Carpenter wrote:
Why am I not surprised that David Amess doesn't seem to have a decent bone in his body. Here's hoping all the rebels lose their seats at the earliest available opportunity.

I am not against same sex marriage but I neither am I against people being ALLOWED their own opinion and being given the freedom to vote whatever way they want.

Why do you hope they lose their seats - because they don't agree with you?

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:
Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Your comments are absolutley tripe and ive read more sensible comments in the Beano. You quote so much ssshit and make yourself out to be intellegent when aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators. The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect. I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage. I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman. Thats my opinion. Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions. Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are.

"The sacred vowels of marriage…" Were your TWO marriages consonanted in churches? (sic)

You claim equal marriage devalues marriage and ignore your own devaluing of marriage by doing it twice.

I got married twice and both in registry offices because im not religous one bit but i do repect other peoples beliefs. If you rembember my first husband died on duty in a RTA . Yes i feel strong that homosexuals and lesbians should not be allowed to get married in a church. I support all the people that are against this debacle

I think people objecting on 'religious grounds' are just using that as a smokescreen for their prejudice and bigotry.

I dont aggre with your statement. Most people dont care a iota but many people respect religion and I dont agree with you saying prejudice and bigorty. I think people are just fed up with listening to homosexuals telling the government what they want and the government saying ok i will change scared vowels and the rules that have been for thousands of years.

QED.

But that's only one vowel!

Wow, did I really say only 20 years in the navy? If you count my time sailing under the red and blue ensigns as well it's actually 35 years. Doesn't time fly when you're having fun :)

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:
Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Your comments are absolutley tripe and ive read more sensible comments in the Beano. You quote so much ssshit and make yourself out to be intellegent when aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators. The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect. I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage. I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman. Thats my opinion. Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions. Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are.

"The sacred vowels of marriage…" Were your TWO marriages consonanted in churches? (sic)

You claim equal marriage devalues marriage and ignore your own devaluing of marriage by doing it twice.

I got married twice and both in registry offices because im not religous one bit but i do repect other peoples beliefs. If you rembember my first husband died on duty in a RTA . Yes i feel strong that homosexuals and lesbians should not be allowed to get married in a church. I support all the people that are against this debacle

I think people objecting on 'religious grounds' are just using that as a smokescreen for their prejudice and bigotry.

I dont aggre with your statement. Most people dont care a iota but many people respect religion and I dont agree with you saying prejudice and bigorty. I think people are just fed up with listening to homosexuals telling the government what they want and the government saying ok i will change scared vowels and the rules that have been for thousands of years.

You can't say things like "Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong." and then claim it's not prejudice and bigotry.

You've clearly laid out your case for what you consider normal and what you obviously consider to be aberrant behaviour.

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:
When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman.

I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible.

I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman.

3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win.

What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

The wedding 'vowels'? Really? Typical Christian - being prejudiced and bombastic and you don't even have education enough to understand the tripe you're shoveling.

Tell the millions of hetrosexuals that are getting divorced to stop devaluing marriage before you have a go at the gay folk, eh?

I hate religion and never been into it as its not my thing. I go to church and synagogues for weddings christinings and barmistvahs and I got married twice in registry offices because im not religous on little bit but i respect religions and the bible and according to tv progs that the bible does not support homosexual. I am annoyed that this country who were mostly christians have had their religion and beliefs changed by a government.

So you yourself have been married more than once? Yet you're having a pop at gay people 'devaluing' marriage?

Turn it in.

Also, for what it's worth, this country isn't a poxy Christian country. Britons were happily Pagan before they had Christianity forced down their throats.

And as a post script, you should be aware that the majority in this country are no longer Christian.

Praise Odin.

What a load of tripe you write. Your quoting this country is no longer christian well thats not true yet. You should respect other religions and stop being rude and abusive to other peoples beliefs. This discussion is about Homosexuals and lesbians and not a post for you to slaggg off christians

no surprise to see the bigotry isn't just reserved for people of different colour/ethnic backgrounds.

Chris Flunk wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:
Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Your comments are absolutley tripe and ive read more sensible comments in the Beano. You quote so much ssshit and make yourself out to be intellegent when aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators. The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect. I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage. I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman. Thats my opinion. Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions. Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are.

"The sacred vowels of marriage…" Were your TWO marriages consonanted in churches? (sic)

You claim equal marriage devalues marriage and ignore your own devaluing of marriage by doing it twice.

I got married twice and both in registry offices because im not religous one bit but i do repect other peoples beliefs. If you rembember my first husband died on duty in a RTA . Yes i feel strong that homosexuals and lesbians should not be allowed to get married in a church. I support all the people that are against this debacle

I think people objecting on 'religious grounds' are just using that as a smokescreen for their prejudice and bigotry.

I dont aggre with your statement. Most people dont care a iota but many people respect religion and I dont agree with you saying prejudice and bigorty. I think people are just fed up with listening to homosexuals telling the government what they want and the government saying ok i will change scared vowels and the rules that have been for thousands of years.

You can't say things like "Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong." and then claim it's not prejudice and bigotry.

You've clearly laid out your case for what you consider normal and what you obviously consider to be aberrant behaviour.

I dont understand what you are saying. Its normal for a man and woman to get married, thats normal. No I didnt say that if you read propley homosexuals said that and I only repeated what they said. Of course its not normal for 2 people of the same sex get married as marriage was made for a man and a woman. Many people try and make more out of what people say. I can stand up and say bravly that i have nothing to say about homosexuals and lesbians having a loving relationship they are entitled to do what they choose, but i am against them having the right to marry in a church or a synagoge or a mosque or a temple of worship.

Maybe im lucky i have no homosexuals or lesbians in my large family.

I stated my friends Mark and Lu are homosexual and they are 100% against marriage in a place of God and you and everyone have to respect their thoughts and feelings on the subject and you cant knock them because they feel so strong on this. They are a great couple.

Rich=Carol wrote:

Chris Flunk wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:
Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Your comments are absolutley tripe and ive read more sensible comments in the Beano. You quote so much ssshit and make yourself out to be intellegent when aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators. The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect. I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage. I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman. Thats my opinion. Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions. Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are.

"The sacred vowels of marriage…" Were your TWO marriages consonanted in churches? (sic)

You claim equal marriage devalues marriage and ignore your own devaluing of marriage by doing it twice.

I got married twice and both in registry offices because im not religous one bit but i do repect other peoples beliefs. If you rembember my first husband died on duty in a RTA . Yes i feel strong that homosexuals and lesbians should not be allowed to get married in a church. I support all the people that are against this debacle

I think people objecting on 'religious grounds' are just using that as a smokescreen for their prejudice and bigotry.

I dont aggre with your statement. Most people dont care a iota but many people respect religion and I dont agree with you saying prejudice and bigorty. I think people are just fed up with listening to homosexuals telling the government what they want and the government saying ok i will change scared vowels and the rules that have been for thousands of years.

You can't say things like "Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong." and then claim it's not prejudice and bigotry.

You've clearly laid out your case for what you consider normal and what you obviously consider to be aberrant behaviour.

I dont understand what you are saying. Its normal for a man and woman to get married, thats normal. No I didnt say that if you read propley homosexuals said that and I only repeated what they said. Of course its not normal for 2 people of the same sex get married as marriage was made for a man and a woman. Many people try and make more out of what people say. I can stand up and say bravly that i have nothing to say about homosexuals and lesbians having a loving relationship they are entitled to do what they choose, but i am against them having the right to marry in a church or a synagoge or a mosque or a temple of worship.

Maybe im lucky i have no homosexuals or lesbians in my large family.

I stated my friends Mark and Lu are homosexual and they are 100% against marriage in a place of God and you and everyone have to respect their thoughts and feelings on the subject and you cant knock them because they feel so strong on this. They are a great couple.

You're wrong.

Same sex marriage goes right back to ancient Mesopotamia and Egypt. It isn't new at all.b The ancient Greeks had same sex relationships and those weren't considered 'not normal' by anyone. Such was recorded in Plato's Symposium.

The vast majority of marriages end up in either divorce or the death of one of the parties. Neither is very pleasant. Rather than arguing about who should be allowed to get married, why not just scrap the whole thing. If you want to live together then do so.
The only valid reason for getting married seems to be to avoid inheritance tax for a few years.

The vast majority of marriages end up in either divorce or the death of one of the parties. Neither is very pleasant. Rather than arguing about who should be allowed to get married, why not just scrap the whole thing. If you want to live together then do so.
The only valid reason for getting married seems to be to avoid inheritance tax for a few years.

Gay people should have the same rights as anyone else to be miserable in marriage.

Interesting comments here but I think people are confusing two issues here Marriage and Religion.
In 2010 68% of marriages were conducted by registrars and therefore contained no religious content so all these quotes about what God does or does not say do not matter unless you are marrying in a religous ceremony. I think then all religions have the right to refuse to marry couples without the fear of being sued under the Equality Bill. The C of E and Church of Wales are opted out and you cannot marry in any of their churches even if the local parish priest consents.

So I do not understand why people are bringing religion into the debate as the majority of people are shunning a religous wedding anyway.

marshman wrote:
Marriage as a union between a man and a woman is older than any religion or political ideology and Cameron is a fool if he thinks he can rewrite that. And please, can we have our word back. It isn't gay marriage, it's homosexual marriage. So please let's not beat about the bush ... er, I'd best stop now, but you catch my drift.

Correct - 'gay' is wrong
Homosexual or lesbian is correct as is hetrosexual.
I believe 'queer' is offensive but 'gay' is inappropriate and a misuse of a very descriptive word.

Some posters are getting very high and mighty about gay marriage and religion, because being gay is seen as abnormal. Well about 800BC the greeks advocated homosexual relations and actively encouraged it as the older man would fight better in battle to protect the younger. Also guees why the island of Lesbos was so named.
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Meanwhile back in Britain the Celts who worshiped the old gods were polygamous and treated marriage more as a finacial contract, social and not religious and they didn't get to bothered about the whole business. It was the Johnnie come lately Christians who put a stop to that.
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So what is normal and what isn't ? Basically why does it bother people what two people get up to if it does no harm. Don't tell me it's to protect religion, because relgions come and they go and in the main they tend to to kill / burn / ostracise and exclude non believers anyhow.

If you believe in a man who has supernatural powers and who resides in the clouds who apparently loves us don't start assuming an intellectual or moral basis for what is and is not acceptable down on earth.

1) The avoidable slaughter of war and all the hate of mankind (bad)

2) The prejudice and practice of religion that separates and indoctrinates the practice of loving one another (Bad)

3) two males or two females that love one another and want to make the highest commitment to one another in the eyes of the law a church or the state. (good)

love and oaths are a precious commodity in this day and age. Its amazing that the houses of Westminster had to spend so much time debating a subject that has no legitimate 'earthly' basis for objection. it should have taken two minuets to pass through parliament..

Rich=Carol wrote:
When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman.

I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible.

I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman.

3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win.

What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

Will you stop saying "Vowels" you stupid woman. It's "Vows".

If the elected are homophobics, yhey should be taken to court.

babybird0404 wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:
When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman.

I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible.

I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman.

3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win.

What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

Will you stop saying "Vowels" you stupid woman. It's "Vows".

Sorry i cant spell and I write and i type as is sounds, so vowles sound fine with me so if you have a problem with people that cant spell thats another fault you have in life. Theres a word for people like you but i cant spell it

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:
Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Your comments are absolutley tripe and ive read more sensible comments in the Beano. You quote so much ssshit and make yourself out to be intellegent when aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators. The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect. I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage. I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman. Thats my opinion. Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions. Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are.

I don't know where you start, but let's try regardless:

"Your comments are absolutley tripe"

That's a rebuttal that Oscar Wilde would be proud of. Thanks for your opinion, though I'd value that of a baked potato more.

"You quote so much ****** and make yourself out to be intellegent"

The irony.

I haven't quoted anyone so far.

"aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators"

I don't know what one of those is. I'm just a person who believes that hatred and bigotry is wrong, and keeping silent in the face of it is almost as bad.

"The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect."

What are you babbling on about? Wipe the foam from your face, take a deep breath and brace yourself for a shock...

'Every newspapers and tv news' is wrong. Millions of people are losing their lives on the African continent because of AIDS, which could be prevented if Christian leaders would allow the indoctrinated, naive people to use contraception. A

Also, Muslims? Really?

"I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage."

It's those 'sacred vowels' again. The ones that you stood before a Justice of the Peace and swore, on a bible, before tossing them aside and getting divorced, only to use them again when you felt like it.

(It's 'vows' by the way. You're welcome.)

"I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman"

Well, so long as you think it's 'sufficiant', that's alright then. Just to play Devils Advocate for a mo though: your opinion doesn't mean a **** thing.

"Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions."

Coming from the person that told me my personal opinion was 'tripe'.

It's that irony again.

"Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are."

It seems that 'aggitator' and 'trouble maker' is your way of describing someone that pulls you up on your antiquated, offensive, bigoted nonsense.

To conclude, you appear to have the IQ of a plantain, so I shan't use too many big words for fear of making your eyes weld shut, but you're an offensive, out of date hypocrite who needs to seek out an education before they expose the general public to their opinion in the future.

I surmise that if I looked up the term 'oxygen thief' in the dictionary (were it to be therein) there would be a picture of your smiling face.

I don't know where you start, but let's try regardless:

"Your comments are absolutley tripe"

That's a rebuttal that Oscar Wilde would be proud of. Thanks for your opinion, though I'd value that of a baked potato more.

"You quote so much ****** and make yourself out to be intellegent"

The irony.

I haven't quoted anyone so far.

"aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators"

I don't know what one of those is. I'm just a person who believes that hatred and bigotry is wrong, and keeping silent in the face of it is almost as bad.

"The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect."

What are you babbling on about? Wipe the foam from your face, take a deep breath and brace yourself for a shock...

'Every newspapers and tv news' is wrong. Millions of people are losing their lives on the African continent because of AIDS, which could be prevented if Christian leaders would allow the indoctrinated, naive people to use contraception. A

Also, Muslims? Really?

"I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage."

It's those 'sacred vowels' again. The ones that you stood before a Justice of the Peace and swore, on a bible, before tossing them aside and getting divorced, only to use them again when you felt like it.

(It's 'vows' by the way. You're welcome.)

"I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman"

Well, so long as you think it's 'sufficiant', that's alright then. Just to play Devils Advocate for a mo though: your opinion doesn't mean a **** thing.

"Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions."

Coming from the person that told me my personal opinion was 'tripe'.

It's that irony again.

"Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are."

It seems that 'aggitator' and 'trouble maker' is your way of describing someone that pulls you up on your antiquated, offensive, bigoted nonsense.

To conclude, you appear to have the IQ of a plantain, so I shan't use too many big words for fear of making your eyes weld shut, but you're an offensive, out of date hypocrite who needs to seek out an education before they expose the general public to their opinion in the future.

I surmise that if I looked up the term 'oxygen thief' in the dictionary (were it to be therein) there would be a picture of your smiling face.

Well said Tone-Fu! People should not tolerate this antiquated, ill-informed and bigoted drivel.

I generally find that people who are homophobic are also racist. They often start a sentence with I have loads of Gay and immigrant friends, BUT......
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They then go on to expound on why the object of their hatred is the cause of all the ills in society. Just the fact that if you have a roof over your head, potable drinking water, one meal a day, access to healthcare, an education system, not being shot at or harrassed by the secret or armed agents of the state puts you way above a large percentage of the planets population.
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Therefore pretty much everything else then fall into insignificance, doesn't it?

How does one consumate one these marriages then? I thought legally you had to.

Has Drippy Dave thought about that? Probably not - pretty much like all the other knee jerk nonsense he espouses.

He really is the heir to Bliar.

This is outrageous. It's discrimination. We are not in the dark ages anymore. If men or women love those of the same sex they should not be penalised because of their genetic make-up. It is illegal for employers to do so, and illegal for any individual to make racist or discriminatory comments without legal action being taken, so why is it OK for government officials to openly discriminate? Being gay or lesbian is not a choice. These old-school, archaic figures need to read up on a bit of science and genetics and get their heads out of their backsides. Live and let live. Being gay is hard enough in society these days without further outrage.

Rich=Carol wrote:

Chris Flunk wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:
Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Your comments are absolutley tripe and ive read more sensible comments in the Beano. You quote so much ssshit and make yourself out to be intellegent when aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators. The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect. I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage. I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman. Thats my opinion. Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions. Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are.

"The sacred vowels of marriage…" Were your TWO marriages consonanted in churches? (sic)

You claim equal marriage devalues marriage and ignore your own devaluing of marriage by doing it twice.

I got married twice and both in registry offices because im not religous one bit but i do repect other peoples beliefs. If you rembember my first husband died on duty in a RTA . Yes i feel strong that homosexuals and lesbians should not be allowed to get married in a church. I support all the people that are against this debacle

I think people objecting on 'religious grounds' are just using that as a smokescreen for their prejudice and bigotry.

I dont aggre with your statement. Most people dont care a iota but many people respect religion and I dont agree with you saying prejudice and bigorty. I think people are just fed up with listening to homosexuals telling the government what they want and the government saying ok i will change scared vowels and the rules that have been for thousands of years.

You can't say things like "Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong." and then claim it's not prejudice and bigotry.

You've clearly laid out your case for what you consider normal and what you obviously consider to be aberrant behaviour.

I dont understand what you are saying. Its normal for a man and woman to get married, thats normal. No I didnt say that if you read propley homosexuals said that and I only repeated what they said. Of course its not normal for 2 people of the same sex get married as marriage was made for a man and a woman. Many people try and make more out of what people say. I can stand up and say bravly that i have nothing to say about homosexuals and lesbians having a loving relationship they are entitled to do what they choose, but i am against them having the right to marry in a church or a synagoge or a mosque or a temple of worship.

Maybe im lucky i have no homosexuals or lesbians in my large family.

I stated my friends Mark and Lu are homosexual and they are 100% against marriage in a place of God and you and everyone have to respect their thoughts and feelings on the subject and you cant knock them because they feel so strong on this. They are a great couple.

can you let mark and lu they have no need to worry as they have been missinformed as or by you about the contents of the Bill. It will not force churches to marry same sex couples. it will be ilegal for the CofE to marry same sex couples and other faiths can choose wether they want to or not.
As for degrading marriage vows that had been done beyond repair by divorce which goes directly againts the vows. Most church weddings are nothing to do with 'in the eyes of god' its just the brides big day where the bride and groom and most of the congregation could count the number of times they have been to church on one hand and those times being other peoples wedding that inturn dont attend church. Does that not devalue the vows and the whole church wedding.
As for Africa you must have had your eyes shut and ears closed when reading all those papers and watching TV not to have heard about the African christian country where the goverment backed by the countries religous leaders incite hatred towards gays and tried to bring in the death penalty for anyone found to be gay but was stopped by international pressure. One of many African christian countries that encite hatred of gays.
By saying you are lucky not to have gays in your family just goes to show you are homophobic in the same way if someone said they were lucky as no one in their family had married a black would be considered racist.
Why mark and lu want to be your friend i have no idea..i suppose its the old saying 'with friends like you who needs enemies'

Rochford Rob wrote:
How does one consumate one these marriages then? I thought legally you had to.

Has Drippy Dave thought about that? Probably not - pretty much like all the other knee jerk nonsense he espouses.

He really is the heir to Bliar.

Same way all marriages are consummated. Why are you so concerned? Is your marriage going to collapse now that gay people can get married too?

Here's a pie chart that explains the various effects on the world if gay people get married:

http://i1353.photobu
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Sorry Carol, but, at least to me, you are really shooting yourself in the foot here. In addition to many other absurd and ill-thought-out comments, you claim to be tolerant of homosexuality, then make statements such as, and I quote from one of your posts "...Maybe im lucky i have no homosexuals or lesbians in my large family." What is going on inside of your contradictory mind?

More generally, and away from Carol, nobody on here or anywhere else has yet put forward a meaningful, logical reason as to why same sex marriage is damaging to to the general concept and tradition of marriage. Why on earth should it?

elaen wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Chris Flunk wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:
Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Your comments are absolutley tripe and ive read more sensible comments in the Beano. You quote so much ssshit and make yourself out to be intellegent when aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators. The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect. I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage. I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman. Thats my opinion. Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions. Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are.

"The sacred vowels of marriage…" Were your TWO marriages consonanted in churches? (sic)

You claim equal marriage devalues marriage and ignore your own devaluing of marriage by doing it twice.

I got married twice and both in registry offices because im not religous one bit but i do repect other peoples beliefs. If you rembember my first husband died on duty in a RTA . Yes i feel strong that homosexuals and lesbians should not be allowed to get married in a church. I support all the people that are against this debacle

I think people objecting on 'religious grounds' are just using that as a smokescreen for their prejudice and bigotry.

I dont aggre with your statement. Most people dont care a iota but many people respect religion and I dont agree with you saying prejudice and bigorty. I think people are just fed up with listening to homosexuals telling the government what they want and the government saying ok i will change scared vowels and the rules that have been for thousands of years.

You can't say things like "Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong." and then claim it's not prejudice and bigotry.

You've clearly laid out your case for what you consider normal and what you obviously consider to be aberrant behaviour.

I dont understand what you are saying. Its normal for a man and woman to get married, thats normal. No I didnt say that if you read propley homosexuals said that and I only repeated what they said. Of course its not normal for 2 people of the same sex get married as marriage was made for a man and a woman. Many people try and make more out of what people say. I can stand up and say bravly that i have nothing to say about homosexuals and lesbians having a loving relationship they are entitled to do what they choose, but i am against them having the right to marry in a church or a synagoge or a mosque or a temple of worship.

Maybe im lucky i have no homosexuals or lesbians in my large family.

I stated my friends Mark and Lu are homosexual and they are 100% against marriage in a place of God and you and everyone have to respect their thoughts and feelings on the subject and you cant knock them because they feel so strong on this. They are a great couple.

can you let mark and lu they have no need to worry as they have been missinformed as or by you about the contents of the Bill. It will not force churches to marry same sex couples. it will be ilegal for the CofE to marry same sex couples and other faiths can choose wether they want to or not.
As for degrading marriage vows that had been done beyond repair by divorce which goes directly againts the vows. Most church weddings are nothing to do with 'in the eyes of god' its just the brides big day where the bride and groom and most of the congregation could count the number of times they have been to church on one hand and those times being other peoples wedding that inturn dont attend church. Does that not devalue the vows and the whole church wedding.
As for Africa you must have had your eyes shut and ears closed when reading all those papers and watching TV not to have heard about the African christian country where the goverment backed by the countries religous leaders incite hatred towards gays and tried to bring in the death penalty for anyone found to be gay but was stopped by international pressure. One of many African christian countries that encite hatred of gays.
By saying you are lucky not to have gays in your family just goes to show you are homophobic in the same way if someone said they were lucky as no one in their family had married a black would be considered racist.
Why mark and lu want to be your friend i have no idea..i suppose its the old saying 'with friends like you who needs enemies'

Mark was my area manager in east London back in the 60s and 70s when my dry cleaning business was thriving. Lovley man and still comes to my house 4 or 5 times a year. I let him buy one of my houses very cheap in Manor Park E.12 because he was a and still is a wonderful friend.

Ive been watching the news the past week and they say its muslims killing everone in africa so who do i believe you or bbc itv and sky ?

Of course im lucky none of my kids are homosexual or lesbians, im lucky they have given me wonderful grand kids and one great grand kid so far, wouldnt you say im lucky ? Cos I would say I was !

You know my daughter married a Jewish man and I love him cos hes so good to my daughter.

I also think its wrong bringing racist remarks into this posting talking about an English marrying an African, This comment I find racist and ask you to keep your vile racist remarks from this site and your thoughts to yourself.

Ive been to so many weddings in churches and one in a synagoge and the words said by both the Vicar and Rabbi definatley said and used the word God and said it more than once to bless the marriages.

babybird0404 wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:
When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman.

I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible.

I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman.

3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win.

What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

Will you stop saying "Vowels" you stupid woman. It's "Vows".

Oh I couldn’t agree more. The spelling, grammar and constant misuse of the word ‘your’ makes reading these rants painful. Hilarious though!

stopmoaning1 wrote:

babybird0404 wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:
When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman.

I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible.

I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman.

3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win.

What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

Will you stop saying "Vowels" you stupid woman. It's "Vows".

Oh I couldn’t agree more. The spelling, grammar and constant misuse of the word ‘your’ makes reading these rants painful. Hilarious though!

At least you understand what im saying with my spelling. Never been academic but always know that people understand what im saying . Bit old now to go to college im late 60s.

Rich=Carol wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

babybird0404 wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:
When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman.

I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible.

I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman.

3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win.

What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

Will you stop saying "Vowels" you stupid woman. It's "Vows".

Oh I couldn’t agree more. The spelling, grammar and constant misuse of the word ‘your’ makes reading these rants painful. Hilarious though!

At least you understand what im saying with my spelling. Never been academic but always know that people understand what im saying . Bit old now to go to college im late 60s.

Late 1860s judging by your outmoded rhetoric.

They are not rebels if they have an opinion which differs from others.
It is the fashion to support gay marriage. If this bill gets passed I am glad I will not be around in decades to come when this decision is called to account. This is not just a religious argument.
To change what is understood as tradition for years and was introduced for very good reasons for those who are not religious just to make a minority happy is wrong. Would you change the laws of a land to please a few extremists? If the rules on marriage are changed then anything can be changed. I forsee a lot of confused youngsters in years to come. This Bill will not make gays equal it will promote homosexuality and that cannot be right.

Tone-Fu wrote:
Colour me surprised that these three are opposed to human beings enjoying equality. The very foundation of their political and philosophical beliefs are centered around privilege for the minority, paid for by the sweat of the majority.

May the three of them develop septic haemorrhoids.

dont worry, there will be plenty with septic haemorroids

jolllyboy wrote:
They are not rebels if they have an opinion which differs from others.
It is the fashion to support gay marriage. If this bill gets passed I am glad I will not be around in decades to come when this decision is called to account. This is not just a religious argument.
To change what is understood as tradition for years and was introduced for very good reasons for those who are not religious just to make a minority happy is wrong. Would you change the laws of a land to please a few extremists? If the rules on marriage are changed then anything can be changed. I forsee a lot of confused youngsters in years to come. This Bill will not make gays equal it will promote homosexuality and that cannot be right.

Promote homosexuality? You make it sound like a it's lifestyle choice. I don't think people choose to be homosexual, you either are or you aren't. I'm not but I fully support people's rights for equality regardless of their sexual orientation.

jolllyboy wrote:
They are not rebels if they have an opinion which differs from others.
It is the fashion to support gay marriage. If this bill gets passed I am glad I will not be around in decades to come when this decision is called to account. This is not just a religious argument.
To change what is understood as tradition for years and was introduced for very good reasons for those who are not religious just to make a minority happy is wrong. Would you change the laws of a land to please a few extremists? If the rules on marriage are changed then anything can be changed. I forsee a lot of confused youngsters in years to come. This Bill will not make gays equal it will promote homosexuality and that cannot be right.

Nonsense.

What do you think will happen if gay people can get married? Do you think the word will end? Maybe society will collapse? Perhaps the terrorists will win? The Moon will collide with Earth possibly? Actually none of those. I'll tell you what will happen shall I? Here it is:

Gay people will get married. Nothing more nothing less.

jolllyboy says...
... Would you change the laws of a land to please a few extremists? ..
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Oh yes very much so. Thomas Paine, Tolpuddle Martyrs, Chartists, slavery, votes for women, trade unions, animal rights, equal pay, disability, equality, etc, etc. We have been doing it for centuries or didn't you notice?

the power of the media brainwash or is it purely vested interest? septic haemorrhoids may just be the clue

2shedsjackson wrote:
jolllyboy says...
... Would you change the laws of a land to please a few extremists? ..
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Oh yes very much so. Thomas Paine, Tolpuddle Martyrs, Chartists, slavery, votes for women, trade unions, animal rights, equal pay, disability, equality, etc, etc. We have been doing it for centuries or didn't you notice?

Great pseudonym and a great comment.

Interesting information on Sky News this morning the the majority of Tory dissenters were middle aged men. I think David Cameron is trying to completely shake up the Conservatives and remove once and for all the Blue Rinse Brigade who try to force their opinion on everyone. They need to move on and he is forcing the pace, the Labour party need to do the same thing and move away from Union domination and Cameron can see that this is difficutl for Milliband as he was elected by the Unions.
This is a brave action in the face of a revolt from his party, perhaps it shows that he is trying to do things that are right even if they upset his own followers something that I think we do not see very often in politics.

Rich=Carol wrote:
When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman. I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible. I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman. 3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win. What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

Whilst I totally disagree with gay marriage on religeous grounds, my main concern is that Churches may be forced to conduct gay marriages agaainst their beliefs and that schools may be forced to promote gay marriage as being 'normal'.
Does this ruling mean that all faiths must allow gay marriage ? i.e muslims,
hindus etc., etc., ---- I don't think they will allow it !. it is an insult to all religions.
Why does this pathetic coalition not stand up for the wishes of the majority
of it's people.

wagger wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote: When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman. I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible. I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman. 3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win. What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

Whilst I totally disagree with gay marriage on religeous grounds, my main concern is that Churches may be forced to conduct gay marriages agaainst their beliefs and that schools may be forced to promote gay marriage as being 'normal'. Does this ruling mean that all faiths must allow gay marriage ? i.e muslims, hindus etc., etc., ---- I don't think they will allow it !. it is an insult to all religions. Why does this pathetic coalition not stand up for the wishes of the majority of it's people.

I think you will find that the bill contains protection that there will be no prosecution if a religous establishment refuses to perform the service. The ony difference is the C of E and the C of W i believe where they are automatically exempted. Although the General Synod I think want to discuss and decide for themselves.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rochford Rob wrote: How does one consumate one these marriages then? I thought legally you had to. Has Drippy Dave thought about that? Probably not - pretty much like all the other knee jerk nonsense he espouses. He really is the heir to Bliar.

Same way all marriages are consummated. Why are you so concerned? Is your marriage going to collapse now that gay people can get married too? Here's a pie chart that explains the various effects on the world if gay people get married: http://i1353.photobu cket.com/albums/q672 /Forumstufftoo/Forum %20bits/GMgraph_zpsf 12e93ad.jpg

Ewwww ! Get you. Touch a nerve did I?

I only asked a question about the legality of it not what would happen to the world (ie nothing)

Badly thought out knee jerk legislation pandering to a minority in order to curry favour.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Chris Flunk wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:
Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Your comments are absolutley tripe and ive read more sensible comments in the Beano. You quote so much ssshit and make yourself out to be intellegent when aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators. The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect. I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage. I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman. Thats my opinion. Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions. Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are.

"The sacred vowels of marriage…" Were your TWO marriages consonanted in churches? (sic)

You claim equal marriage devalues marriage and ignore your own devaluing of marriage by doing it twice.

I got married twice and both in registry offices because im not religous one bit but i do repect other peoples beliefs. If you rembember my first husband died on duty in a RTA . Yes i feel strong that homosexuals and lesbians should not be allowed to get married in a church. I support all the people that are against this debacle

I think people objecting on 'religious grounds' are just using that as a smokescreen for their prejudice and bigotry.

I dont aggre with your statement. Most people dont care a iota but many people respect religion and I dont agree with you saying prejudice and bigorty. I think people are just fed up with listening to homosexuals telling the government what they want and the government saying ok i will change scared vowels and the rules that have been for thousands of years.

You can't say things like "Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong." and then claim it's not prejudice and bigotry.

You've clearly laid out your case for what you consider normal and what you obviously consider to be aberrant behaviour.

Sorry, but putting your gentleman's sausage up another mans botty is far from normal...

notinwestcliffanymor
e wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:
When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman. I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible. I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman. 3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win. What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

personally i couldn t care less , but if it comes down to a choice between a couple getting married or following the mad incoherent ramblings of the religious fraternity and their silly books of rules, then im happy to let people get on with it.
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would liked to see some qoutes from those who voted against as to their reasons.

This is a very good explanation from Sarah Teather who supports gay rights, but voted against

http://cvcomment.org
/2013/02/05/sarah-te
athers-statement-why
-i-voted-against-gay
-marriage/

notinwestcliffanymor
e wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:
When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman. I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible. I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman. 3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win. What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

personally i couldn t care less , but if it comes down to a choice between a couple getting married or following the mad incoherent ramblings of the religious fraternity and their silly books of rules, then im happy to let people get on with it.
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would liked to see some qoutes from those who voted against as to their reasons.

This is a very articulate response from Sarah Teather who supports Gay rights but voted against: http://cvcomment.org
/2013/02/05/sarah-te
athers-statement-why
-i-voted-against-gay
-marriage/

And you can read Steve Baker's reasoning here: http://www.stevebake
r.info/2013/02/why-i
-voted-against-the-m
arriage-same-sex-cou
ples-bill/#

Who cares? Even the gay couple we know don't care, there are far more important things for Government to do. And what's all this stuff about respecting religion? Why should anyone respect all that fairy tale nonsense?

Local yachtsman wrote:
Who cares? Even the gay couple we know don't care, there are far more important things for Government to do. And what's all this stuff about respecting religion? Why should anyone respect all that fairy tale nonsense?

FAIRY tale? Nice one!

Ivanna Goodhump wrote:

Chris Flunk wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:

Tone-Fu wrote:
Load of tripe? Really?! Coming from the hypocrite that's moaning about gay people devaluing marriage when they've been married more than once that's a good one.

When the census is filled out people scratch in 'C of E' as a default. The percentage of people in this country that are church going Christian is currently 14% and decreasing.

People are wising up and moving on.

They know they don't have to be controlled by a for profit organisation any longer. Gay people should be able to do the same as any other person and closeted homophobes like you need to learn to live with it, or maybe you should jog off to somewhere that Christianity still has a strong hold, like Africa - where it's causing millions of deaths each year.

The discussion is about gay marriage, yes, and you piped up citing your Christian nonsense, no one else, so don't try and back out now.

Your comments are absolutley tripe and ive read more sensible comments in the Beano. You quote so much ssshit and make yourself out to be intellegent when aftyer reading your silly comments i know your one of these foolish aggitators. The deaths in Africa according to every newspapers and tv news is caused by Muslims so again your incorrect. I do not believe that homosexuals or lesbians should be able to get married in a church a sysnagogue a mosque a temple as in my opinion it has degraded the sacred vowels of marriage. I also think a blessing or a civil partnership is sufficiant as the vowels of marriage is for a man and a woman. Thats my opinion. Stop being rude nasty and offesnsive to people that have opinions. Ive never liked aggitators and trouble makers and thats exactly what you are.

"The sacred vowels of marriage…" Were your TWO marriages consonanted in churches? (sic)

You claim equal marriage devalues marriage and ignore your own devaluing of marriage by doing it twice.

I got married twice and both in registry offices because im not religous one bit but i do repect other peoples beliefs. If you rembember my first husband died on duty in a RTA . Yes i feel strong that homosexuals and lesbians should not be allowed to get married in a church. I support all the people that are against this debacle

I think people objecting on 'religious grounds' are just using that as a smokescreen for their prejudice and bigotry.

I dont aggre with your statement. Most people dont care a iota but many people respect religion and I dont agree with you saying prejudice and bigorty. I think people are just fed up with listening to homosexuals telling the government what they want and the government saying ok i will change scared vowels and the rules that have been for thousands of years.

You can't say things like "Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong." and then claim it's not prejudice and bigotry.

You've clearly laid out your case for what you consider normal and what you obviously consider to be aberrant behaviour.

Sorry, but putting your gentleman's sausage up another mans botty is far from normal...

As Winston Churchill said "Buggers can't be choosers".....under Cameron they can be!

I have just one question......should I get the hat from John Lewis or Debenhams?

I have just one question......should I get the hat from John Lewis or Debenhams?

I have just one question......should I get the hat from John Lewis or Debenhams?

Debenhams IS part of John Lewis isn't it?

asbo. just the truth wrote:
it's the thin end of the wedge. what's the next bit of urgent parliamentary business for cameron...men marrying donkeys?

Why not.
Following the logic of all this.
Surely it means `ANY` person should be able to ` marry` anyone/thing.
Brothers/sisters, brothers/brothers,si
sters/sisters. mother,/daughter ectetera.

The absence of of any morality in our society ( thieving.lying politicians, clergy, royalty ect) , means the ` dream` of some, will lead to a complete absence of any rules in relationships.
Eventually reducing our society to the ` Law of the Jungle`. we already have the music!!

Rich=Carol wrote:

babybird0404 wrote:

Rich=Carol wrote:
When taking the wedding vowels the vicar or rabbi or registrar says the sacred joining of a man and woman.

I think this joining of a man to a man or a woman to a woman has degraded the wonderful word of marriage. Allowing homosexuals and lesbians to go through the same service as normal straight men and women is wrong. I really feel strong about this and I am very annoyed how the government can change what the bible says. I thought God was the only person to change the bible.

I asked 2 of my very good friends who are both homosexuals what they think of all this and both say the government are wrong to allow it. They both say Civil partnerships and blessings is good enough and marriage between 2 people of the same sex is an insult to straight people and degrades all Christians and the holy bible. Now that’s sensible statements and they are both agreeing this has degraded religion and the holy joining of a man and a woman.

3,848 homosexuals and lesbians asked parliament to change the rules and our government said YES . 23 million sensible English people want to stop immigration as things in the uk are now getting out of hand and parliament say NO. Again the small minority win.

What’s wrong with this country ? are they going make it compulsory that at least one person in every family has to be Gay

Will you stop saying "Vowels" you stupid woman. It's "Vows".

Sorry i cant spell and I write and i type as is sounds, so vowles sound fine with me so if you have a problem with people that cant spell thats another fault you have in life. Theres a word for people like you but i cant spell it

Misspelling the word "vows" is, in your case, nothing to do with a typographical error and everything to do with your lack of basic English vocabulary.

Re. Rich=Carol
"I also think its wrong bringing racist remarks into this posting talking about an English marrying an African, This comment I find racist and ask you to keep your vile racist remarks from this site and your thoughts to yourself."

How can you spout this crap whilst saying Muslims are responsible for all the deaths in Africa you daft old witch?!!
Thank god our world has moved on so dinosaurs like yourself can be resigned to the history books! The reason our world is so f'd-up is people like you, not only are you incredibly stupid, your a racist & homeophobic old bint. As a great man once said, I refuse to enter in a battle of wits with an unarmed person!

Sam Carpenter wrote:
Why am I not surprised that David Amess doesn't seem to have a decent bone in his body. Here's hoping all the rebels lose their seats at the earliest available opportunity.

Whilst not a fan of Mr Amess, I feel that I must point out that he is a practising Roman Catholic, & thus would have voted against in accordance with his beliefs. This was a free vote, so MPs were allowed to vote according to their conscience.
My only thought on the matter is that I am sure there are far more important things to be rushed through parliament.

Rochford Rob wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

Rochford Rob wrote: How does one consumate one these marriages then? I thought legally you had to. Has Drippy Dave thought about that? Probably not - pretty much like all the other knee jerk nonsense he espouses. He really is the heir to Bliar.

Same way all marriages are consummated. Why are you so concerned? Is your marriage going to collapse now that gay people can get married too? Here's a pie chart that explains the various effects on the world if gay people get married: http://i1353.photobu cket.com/albums/q672 /Forumstufftoo/Forum %20bits/GMgraph_zpsf 12e93ad.jpg

Ewwww ! Get you. Touch a nerve did I?

I only asked a question about the legality of it not what would happen to the world (ie nothing)

Badly thought out knee jerk legislation pandering to a minority in order to curry favour.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Oh dear. Your homophobia shines through.