Sunday road closures for peace rally

First published in Local News

A PEACE rally is being held on Sunday in Westcliff.

The Faizane Madina mosque is holding the rally from its base in Milton Road.

Southend Council is temporarily closing two roads between 12:45pm and 2:30pm on that day.

Traffic and pedestrians will be prohibited from entering North Road, Westcliff, and Chelmsford Avenue between North Road and Harcourt Avenue.

However, access for residents will be maintained where possible.

Vehicles belonging to Essex Police, Essex County Fire and Rescue Service, and the East of England Ambulance NHS Trust, are not affected by these temporary closures.

 

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4:25pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

So, lets get this right... SC will close roads affecting anyone, including residents, that wants to travel through, for a peace rally for a mosque, probably through fear of being called racist, but they wont allow a congregation of cars, in a car park, on the seafront which won't affect anyone as the roads will not be closed.



What good will this peace rally do for the local businesses? None.
So, lets get this right... SC will close roads affecting anyone, including residents, that wants to travel through, for a peace rally for a mosque, probably through fear of being called racist, but they wont allow a congregation of cars, in a car park, on the seafront which won't affect anyone as the roads will not be closed. What good will this peace rally do for the local businesses? None. Peter245
  • Score: 15

4:53pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Cosmo Spring says...

get the car rally people to say they're all moslem...
get the car rally people to say they're all moslem... Cosmo Spring
  • Score: 20

6:21pm Thu 7 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Peter245 says...
4:25pm Thu 7 Feb 13

So, lets get this right... SC will close roads affecting anyone, including residents, that wants to travel through, for a peace rally for a mosque, probably through fear of being called racist, but they wont allow a congregation of cars, in a car park, on the seafront which won't affect anyone as the roads will not be closed.


Yes, you've got that exactly right. well done SBC!
Peter245 says... 4:25pm Thu 7 Feb 13 So, lets get this right... SC will close roads affecting anyone, including residents, that wants to travel through, for a peace rally for a mosque, probably through fear of being called racist, but they wont allow a congregation of cars, in a car park, on the seafront which won't affect anyone as the roads will not be closed. Yes, you've got that exactly right. well done SBC! stopmoaning1
  • Score: 6

6:30pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.
They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: -18

6:36pm Thu 7 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.
No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events you mention. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that they are 9rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.[/p][/quote]No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events you mention. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that they are 9rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level. stopmoaning1
  • Score: 12

6:49pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.
Very very true.

The boy racers are known to cause issues with litter, noise and their standard of driving, they have said they will bring the entire seafront to a stand still, a mjaor road in Southend, they have not said how long it will go on for or what safety procedures have been put in place, they just said we WILL do it, the peace rally has been arranged with the police and council being contacted and everything being put in place as it should.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.[/p][/quote]Very very true. The boy racers are known to cause issues with litter, noise and their standard of driving, they have said they will bring the entire seafront to a stand still, a mjaor road in Southend, they have not said how long it will go on for or what safety procedures have been put in place, they just said we WILL do it, the peace rally has been arranged with the police and council being contacted and everything being put in place as it should. Joe Wildman-Clark
  • Score: -14

7:13pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.
No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events you mention. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that they are 9rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.
Not really. All the events I mentioned are either charity events or commemorative, and are held for a good cause.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.[/p][/quote]No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events you mention. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that they are 9rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.[/p][/quote]Not really. All the events I mentioned are either charity events or commemorative, and are held for a good cause. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: -14

7:15pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.
No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events you mention. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that they are 9rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.
Not really. All the events I mentioned are either charity events or commemorative, and are held for a good cause.
Lets face facts they probably do not know the meaning of the word.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.[/p][/quote]No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events you mention. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that they are 9rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.[/p][/quote]Not really. All the events I mentioned are either charity events or commemorative, and are held for a good cause.[/p][/quote]Lets face facts they probably do not know the meaning of the word. Joe Wildman-Clark
  • Score: -11

7:21pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.
Very very true.

The boy racers are known to cause issues with litter, noise and their standard of driving, they have said they will bring the entire seafront to a stand still, a mjaor road in Southend, they have not said how long it will go on for or what safety procedures have been put in place, they just said we WILL do it, the peace rally has been arranged with the police and council being contacted and everything being put in place as it should.
Yes they close roads for those events, Rememberance day is an event for our history of our nation, that people care about, carnivals are fun events that everyone can enjoy, the half marathon raises money for charities.

A peace rally for a local mosque, that has given no details about its rally apart from peace, is something that nobody cares about. What is the peace rally for? Who will benefit from it?

Joe W... Boy racers are known for all those things. The seafront will still be passable by all, because the road will not be shut. This was all posted on facebook, and clearly states its 8.30pm until 10.30pm. Safety is not a concern,the vehicles are insured if any such incedent were to happen. Why should the council be told that people will be parking in a car park? Why should the police be told? Do you tell tesco and the police you will be going out for an hour and parking in a car park?
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.[/p][/quote]Very very true. The boy racers are known to cause issues with litter, noise and their standard of driving, they have said they will bring the entire seafront to a stand still, a mjaor road in Southend, they have not said how long it will go on for or what safety procedures have been put in place, they just said we WILL do it, the peace rally has been arranged with the police and council being contacted and everything being put in place as it should.[/p][/quote]Yes they close roads for those events, Rememberance day is an event for our history of our nation, that people care about, carnivals are fun events that everyone can enjoy, the half marathon raises money for charities. A peace rally for a local mosque, that has given no details about its rally apart from peace, is something that nobody cares about. What is the peace rally for? Who will benefit from it? Joe W... Boy racers are known for all those things. The seafront will still be passable by all, because the road will not be shut. This was all posted on facebook, and clearly states its 8.30pm until 10.30pm. Safety is not a concern,the vehicles are insured if any such incedent were to happen. Why should the council be told that people will be parking in a car park? Why should the police be told? Do you tell tesco and the police you will be going out for an hour and parking in a car park? Peter245
  • Score: 12

7:53pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

Peter245 wrote:
Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.
Very very true.

The boy racers are known to cause issues with litter, noise and their standard of driving, they have said they will bring the entire seafront to a stand still, a mjaor road in Southend, they have not said how long it will go on for or what safety procedures have been put in place, they just said we WILL do it, the peace rally has been arranged with the police and council being contacted and everything being put in place as it should.
Yes they close roads for those events, Rememberance day is an event for our history of our nation, that people care about, carnivals are fun events that everyone can enjoy, the half marathon raises money for charities.

A peace rally for a local mosque, that has given no details about its rally apart from peace, is something that nobody cares about. What is the peace rally for? Who will benefit from it?

Joe W... Boy racers are known for all those things. The seafront will still be passable by all, because the road will not be shut. This was all posted on facebook, and clearly states its 8.30pm until 10.30pm. Safety is not a concern,the vehicles are insured if any such incedent were to happen. Why should the council be told that people will be parking in a car park? Why should the police be told? Do you tell tesco and the police you will be going out for an hour and parking in a car park?
Your comment clearly shows you do not know anything about setting up public events.

The peace rally people HAVE spoken to the Police and Council, what you have read about it is all that the Echo have published.

A few questions:

Is this cruise being run for charity?

Will there be First Aid on stand by?

Has a Traffic Flow Management Procedure been drawn up should the energency services require access to any part of the site you intend to take over?

Has a health & Safety Assessment been conducted?

Have to drawn up an Emergency Procedures Plan, for your event marshals to put in place to aid the evacuation of spectators should any incident happen?

Have you got marshals that hold an accredited qualification in event marshalling?

Do the organisers hold public liability insurance?

If you answer any of these with no than that is why this event should not go ahead, you can get temporary cover which is what a lot of events do to make them legal.
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.[/p][/quote]Very very true. The boy racers are known to cause issues with litter, noise and their standard of driving, they have said they will bring the entire seafront to a stand still, a mjaor road in Southend, they have not said how long it will go on for or what safety procedures have been put in place, they just said we WILL do it, the peace rally has been arranged with the police and council being contacted and everything being put in place as it should.[/p][/quote]Yes they close roads for those events, Rememberance day is an event for our history of our nation, that people care about, carnivals are fun events that everyone can enjoy, the half marathon raises money for charities. A peace rally for a local mosque, that has given no details about its rally apart from peace, is something that nobody cares about. What is the peace rally for? Who will benefit from it? Joe W... Boy racers are known for all those things. The seafront will still be passable by all, because the road will not be shut. This was all posted on facebook, and clearly states its 8.30pm until 10.30pm. Safety is not a concern,the vehicles are insured if any such incedent were to happen. Why should the council be told that people will be parking in a car park? Why should the police be told? Do you tell tesco and the police you will be going out for an hour and parking in a car park?[/p][/quote]Your comment clearly shows you do not know anything about setting up public events. The peace rally people HAVE spoken to the Police and Council, what you have read about it is all that the Echo have published. A few questions: Is this cruise being run for charity? Will there be First Aid on stand by? Has a Traffic Flow Management Procedure been drawn up should the energency services require access to any part of the site you intend to take over? Has a health & Safety Assessment been conducted? Have to drawn up an Emergency Procedures Plan, for your event marshals to put in place to aid the evacuation of spectators should any incident happen? Have you got marshals that hold an accredited qualification in event marshalling? Do the organisers hold public liability insurance? If you answer any of these with no than that is why this event should not go ahead, you can get temporary cover which is what a lot of events do to make them legal. Joe Wildman-Clark
  • Score: -11

8:10pm Thu 7 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.
Very very true.

The boy racers are known to cause issues with litter, noise and their standard of driving, they have said they will bring the entire seafront to a stand still, a mjaor road in Southend, they have not said how long it will go on for or what safety procedures have been put in place, they just said we WILL do it, the peace rally has been arranged with the police and council being contacted and everything being put in place as it should.
Yes they close roads for those events, Rememberance day is an event for our history of our nation, that people care about, carnivals are fun events that everyone can enjoy, the half marathon raises money for charities.

A peace rally for a local mosque, that has given no details about its rally apart from peace, is something that nobody cares about. What is the peace rally for? Who will benefit from it?

Joe W... Boy racers are known for all those things. The seafront will still be passable by all, because the road will not be shut. This was all posted on facebook, and clearly states its 8.30pm until 10.30pm. Safety is not a concern,the vehicles are insured if any such incedent were to happen. Why should the council be told that people will be parking in a car park? Why should the police be told? Do you tell tesco and the police you will be going out for an hour and parking in a car park?
Your comment clearly shows you do not know anything about setting up public events.

The peace rally people HAVE spoken to the Police and Council, what you have read about it is all that the Echo have published.

A few questions:

Is this cruise being run for charity?

Will there be First Aid on stand by?

Has a Traffic Flow Management Procedure been drawn up should the energency services require access to any part of the site you intend to take over?

Has a health & Safety Assessment been conducted?

Have to drawn up an Emergency Procedures Plan, for your event marshals to put in place to aid the evacuation of spectators should any incident happen?

Have you got marshals that hold an accredited qualification in event marshalling?

Do the organisers hold public liability insurance?

If you answer any of these with no than that is why this event should not go ahead, you can get temporary cover which is what a lot of events do to make them legal.
No need, just some cars coming to Southend, or not now. What difference does it make if it was for charity or not. Why can't people park their cars that are fully legal in a CAR PARK and show them off?
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.[/p][/quote]Very very true. The boy racers are known to cause issues with litter, noise and their standard of driving, they have said they will bring the entire seafront to a stand still, a mjaor road in Southend, they have not said how long it will go on for or what safety procedures have been put in place, they just said we WILL do it, the peace rally has been arranged with the police and council being contacted and everything being put in place as it should.[/p][/quote]Yes they close roads for those events, Rememberance day is an event for our history of our nation, that people care about, carnivals are fun events that everyone can enjoy, the half marathon raises money for charities. A peace rally for a local mosque, that has given no details about its rally apart from peace, is something that nobody cares about. What is the peace rally for? Who will benefit from it? Joe W... Boy racers are known for all those things. The seafront will still be passable by all, because the road will not be shut. This was all posted on facebook, and clearly states its 8.30pm until 10.30pm. Safety is not a concern,the vehicles are insured if any such incedent were to happen. Why should the council be told that people will be parking in a car park? Why should the police be told? Do you tell tesco and the police you will be going out for an hour and parking in a car park?[/p][/quote]Your comment clearly shows you do not know anything about setting up public events. The peace rally people HAVE spoken to the Police and Council, what you have read about it is all that the Echo have published. A few questions: Is this cruise being run for charity? Will there be First Aid on stand by? Has a Traffic Flow Management Procedure been drawn up should the energency services require access to any part of the site you intend to take over? Has a health & Safety Assessment been conducted? Have to drawn up an Emergency Procedures Plan, for your event marshals to put in place to aid the evacuation of spectators should any incident happen? Have you got marshals that hold an accredited qualification in event marshalling? Do the organisers hold public liability insurance? If you answer any of these with no than that is why this event should not go ahead, you can get temporary cover which is what a lot of events do to make them legal.[/p][/quote]No need, just some cars coming to Southend, or not now. What difference does it make if it was for charity or not. Why can't people park their cars that are fully legal in a CAR PARK and show them off? stopmoaning1
  • Score: 9

8:14pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Peter245 says...

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.
Very very true.

The boy racers are known to cause issues with litter, noise and their standard of driving, they have said they will bring the entire seafront to a stand still, a mjaor road in Southend, they have not said how long it will go on for or what safety procedures have been put in place, they just said we WILL do it, the peace rally has been arranged with the police and council being contacted and everything being put in place as it should.
Yes they close roads for those events, Rememberance day is an event for our history of our nation, that people care about, carnivals are fun events that everyone can enjoy, the half marathon raises money for charities.

A peace rally for a local mosque, that has given no details about its rally apart from peace, is something that nobody cares about. What is the peace rally for? Who will benefit from it?

Joe W... Boy racers are known for all those things. The seafront will still be passable by all, because the road will not be shut. This was all posted on facebook, and clearly states its 8.30pm until 10.30pm. Safety is not a concern,the vehicles are insured if any such incedent were to happen. Why should the council be told that people will be parking in a car park? Why should the police be told? Do you tell tesco and the police you will be going out for an hour and parking in a car park?
Your comment clearly shows you do not know anything about setting up public events.

The peace rally people HAVE spoken to the Police and Council, what you have read about it is all that the Echo have published.

A few questions:

Is this cruise being run for charity?

Will there be First Aid on stand by?

Has a Traffic Flow Management Procedure been drawn up should the energency services require access to any part of the site you intend to take over?

Has a health & Safety Assessment been conducted?

Have to drawn up an Emergency Procedures Plan, for your event marshals to put in place to aid the evacuation of spectators should any incident happen?

Have you got marshals that hold an accredited qualification in event marshalling?

Do the organisers hold public liability insurance?

If you answer any of these with no than that is why this event should not go ahead, you can get temporary cover which is what a lot of events do to make them legal.
You clearly dont understand what a public space is.

Just so you know, the public space we intend to use is a car park! We are using a car park that would otherwise be empty on a cold february evening.

Why should any motorist that pays to insure, tax and MOT their car be stopped from using it where they want to, unless its private property?

Yes, all I know about this peace rally is what the echo have published, which isn't very much. My question about who benefits from the peace rally still hasn't been answered, Whereas, the people that will benefit from the car rally are all the small businesses, arcades and cafe's on the seafront, that will make a profit at a time of the year when it is usually quiet. Southend is slowly becoming a no-go area, because everything is old, and needs rejuvinating, and its not possible to, because SC rely on tourism, which isnt going to happen if they stop people from coming to the town!
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.[/p][/quote]Very very true. The boy racers are known to cause issues with litter, noise and their standard of driving, they have said they will bring the entire seafront to a stand still, a mjaor road in Southend, they have not said how long it will go on for or what safety procedures have been put in place, they just said we WILL do it, the peace rally has been arranged with the police and council being contacted and everything being put in place as it should.[/p][/quote]Yes they close roads for those events, Rememberance day is an event for our history of our nation, that people care about, carnivals are fun events that everyone can enjoy, the half marathon raises money for charities. A peace rally for a local mosque, that has given no details about its rally apart from peace, is something that nobody cares about. What is the peace rally for? Who will benefit from it? Joe W... Boy racers are known for all those things. The seafront will still be passable by all, because the road will not be shut. This was all posted on facebook, and clearly states its 8.30pm until 10.30pm. Safety is not a concern,the vehicles are insured if any such incedent were to happen. Why should the council be told that people will be parking in a car park? Why should the police be told? Do you tell tesco and the police you will be going out for an hour and parking in a car park?[/p][/quote]Your comment clearly shows you do not know anything about setting up public events. The peace rally people HAVE spoken to the Police and Council, what you have read about it is all that the Echo have published. A few questions: Is this cruise being run for charity? Will there be First Aid on stand by? Has a Traffic Flow Management Procedure been drawn up should the energency services require access to any part of the site you intend to take over? Has a health & Safety Assessment been conducted? Have to drawn up an Emergency Procedures Plan, for your event marshals to put in place to aid the evacuation of spectators should any incident happen? Have you got marshals that hold an accredited qualification in event marshalling? Do the organisers hold public liability insurance? If you answer any of these with no than that is why this event should not go ahead, you can get temporary cover which is what a lot of events do to make them legal.[/p][/quote]You clearly dont understand what a public space is. Just so you know, the public space we intend to use is a car park! We are using a car park that would otherwise be empty on a cold february evening. Why should any motorist that pays to insure, tax and MOT their car be stopped from using it where they want to, unless its private property? Yes, all I know about this peace rally is what the echo have published, which isn't very much. My question about who benefits from the peace rally still hasn't been answered, Whereas, the people that will benefit from the car rally are all the small businesses, arcades and cafe's on the seafront, that will make a profit at a time of the year when it is usually quiet. Southend is slowly becoming a no-go area, because everything is old, and needs rejuvinating, and its not possible to, because SC rely on tourism, which isnt going to happen if they stop people from coming to the town! Peter245
  • Score: 13

9:28pm Thu 7 Feb 13

SpiffSpaffington1984 says...

SBC converted a church into a mosque, they ignored 200 complaints about a bungalow being used as a mosque, its clear that SBC are spineless cowards
SBC converted a church into a mosque, they ignored 200 complaints about a bungalow being used as a mosque, its clear that SBC are spineless cowards SpiffSpaffington1984
  • Score: 7

10:30pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

SpiffSpaffington1984 wrote:
SBC converted a church into a mosque, they ignored 200 complaints about a bungalow being used as a mosque, its clear that SBC are spineless cowards
It is clear you are a bigot.
[quote][p][bold]SpiffSpaffington1984[/bold] wrote: SBC converted a church into a mosque, they ignored 200 complaints about a bungalow being used as a mosque, its clear that SBC are spineless cowards[/p][/quote]It is clear you are a bigot. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: -3

12:01am Fri 8 Feb 13

SpiffSpaffington1984 says...

Oh look, a leftie, try saying that again without tony blair's penis in your mouth
Oh look, a leftie, try saying that again without tony blair's penis in your mouth SpiffSpaffington1984
  • Score: 2

7:52am Fri 8 Feb 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

Was planning to stay in and watch as much rugby and football as possible this weekend, but now i might venture out to a car cruise, give the "peace" march a miss though i know im a infidel i dont need telling.
Was planning to stay in and watch as much rugby and football as possible this weekend, but now i might venture out to a car cruise, give the "peace" march a miss though i know im a infidel i dont need telling. notinwestcliffanymore
  • Score: 1

8:30am Fri 8 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

I wonder how many objections from this website's raving far-right dinosaurs there would have been if this had been a church holding a peace rally.
I wonder how many objections from this website's raving far-right dinosaurs there would have been if this had been a church holding a peace rally. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: 0

8:37am Fri 8 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

SpiffSpaffington1984 wrote:
Oh look, a leftie, try saying that again without tony blair's penis in your mouth
Easy:

It is clear you are a bigot.
[quote][p][bold]SpiffSpaffington1984[/bold] wrote: Oh look, a leftie, try saying that again without tony blair's penis in your mouth[/p][/quote]Easy: It is clear you are a bigot. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: 0

8:53am Fri 8 Feb 13

Firestormgjc says...

Peter245 wrote:
Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
Peter245 wrote:
Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote: They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.
Very very true. The boy racers are known to cause issues with litter, noise and their standard of driving, they have said they will bring the entire seafront to a stand still, a mjaor road in Southend, they have not said how long it will go on for or what safety procedures have been put in place, they just said we WILL do it, the peace rally has been arranged with the police and council being contacted and everything being put in place as it should.
Yes they close roads for those events, Rememberance day is an event for our history of our nation, that people care about, carnivals are fun events that everyone can enjoy, the half marathon raises money for charities. A peace rally for a local mosque, that has given no details about its rally apart from peace, is something that nobody cares about. What is the peace rally for? Who will benefit from it? Joe W... Boy racers are known for all those things. The seafront will still be passable by all, because the road will not be shut. This was all posted on facebook, and clearly states its 8.30pm until 10.30pm. Safety is not a concern,the vehicles are insured if any such incedent were to happen. Why should the council be told that people will be parking in a car park? Why should the police be told? Do you tell tesco and the police you will be going out for an hour and parking in a car park?
Your comment clearly shows you do not know anything about setting up public events. The peace rally people HAVE spoken to the Police and Council, what you have read about it is all that the Echo have published. A few questions: Is this cruise being run for charity? Will there be First Aid on stand by? Has a Traffic Flow Management Procedure been drawn up should the energency services require access to any part of the site you intend to take over? Has a health & Safety Assessment been conducted? Have to drawn up an Emergency Procedures Plan, for your event marshals to put in place to aid the evacuation of spectators should any incident happen? Have you got marshals that hold an accredited qualification in event marshalling? Do the organisers hold public liability insurance? If you answer any of these with no than that is why this event should not go ahead, you can get temporary cover which is what a lot of events do to make them legal.
You clearly dont understand what a public space is. Just so you know, the public space we intend to use is a car park! We are using a car park that would otherwise be empty on a cold february evening. Why should any motorist that pays to insure, tax and MOT their car be stopped from using it where they want to, unless its private property? Yes, all I know about this peace rally is what the echo have published, which isn't very much. My question about who benefits from the peace rally still hasn't been answered, Whereas, the people that will benefit from the car rally are all the small businesses, arcades and cafe's on the seafront, that will make a profit at a time of the year when it is usually quiet. Southend is slowly becoming a no-go area, because everything is old, and needs rejuvinating, and its not possible to, because SC rely on tourism, which isnt going to happen if they stop people from coming to the town!
Its a car park owned by Southend BC , hence they can charge people to park, its not a public space to the extent you believe it to be.

And read the injunction, no one has been prevented from driving to southend,
[quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter245[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: They closed roads for the Anglian Regiment to march through the town. They close roads for Remembrance Day parades, they close roads for the carnival, they close roads for the annual half marathon. I see no problem at all with closing roads for a peace rally.[/p][/quote]Very very true. The boy racers are known to cause issues with litter, noise and their standard of driving, they have said they will bring the entire seafront to a stand still, a mjaor road in Southend, they have not said how long it will go on for or what safety procedures have been put in place, they just said we WILL do it, the peace rally has been arranged with the police and council being contacted and everything being put in place as it should.[/p][/quote]Yes they close roads for those events, Rememberance day is an event for our history of our nation, that people care about, carnivals are fun events that everyone can enjoy, the half marathon raises money for charities. A peace rally for a local mosque, that has given no details about its rally apart from peace, is something that nobody cares about. What is the peace rally for? Who will benefit from it? Joe W... Boy racers are known for all those things. The seafront will still be passable by all, because the road will not be shut. This was all posted on facebook, and clearly states its 8.30pm until 10.30pm. Safety is not a concern,the vehicles are insured if any such incedent were to happen. Why should the council be told that people will be parking in a car park? Why should the police be told? Do you tell tesco and the police you will be going out for an hour and parking in a car park?[/p][/quote]Your comment clearly shows you do not know anything about setting up public events. The peace rally people HAVE spoken to the Police and Council, what you have read about it is all that the Echo have published. A few questions: Is this cruise being run for charity? Will there be First Aid on stand by? Has a Traffic Flow Management Procedure been drawn up should the energency services require access to any part of the site you intend to take over? Has a health & Safety Assessment been conducted? Have to drawn up an Emergency Procedures Plan, for your event marshals to put in place to aid the evacuation of spectators should any incident happen? Have you got marshals that hold an accredited qualification in event marshalling? Do the organisers hold public liability insurance? If you answer any of these with no than that is why this event should not go ahead, you can get temporary cover which is what a lot of events do to make them legal.[/p][/quote]You clearly dont understand what a public space is. Just so you know, the public space we intend to use is a car park! We are using a car park that would otherwise be empty on a cold february evening. Why should any motorist that pays to insure, tax and MOT their car be stopped from using it where they want to, unless its private property? Yes, all I know about this peace rally is what the echo have published, which isn't very much. My question about who benefits from the peace rally still hasn't been answered, Whereas, the people that will benefit from the car rally are all the small businesses, arcades and cafe's on the seafront, that will make a profit at a time of the year when it is usually quiet. Southend is slowly becoming a no-go area, because everything is old, and needs rejuvinating, and its not possible to, because SC rely on tourism, which isnt going to happen if they stop people from coming to the town![/p][/quote]Its a car park owned by Southend BC , hence they can charge people to park, its not a public space to the extent you believe it to be. And read the injunction, no one has been prevented from driving to southend, Firestormgjc
  • Score: 0

2:44pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Rochford Rob says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
I wonder how many objections from this website's raving far-right dinosaurs there would have been if this had been a church holding a peace rally.
Not sure I've read many objections. Some comments about hypocrisy though.

Typical leftie - start screaming 'bigot' or 'nazi' once you have lost any argument / credibility.

Isn't a mosque a church by another name anyway? You're just sh*t stirring trying to invoke a muslem V christain argument because you have nothing to offer to the origianal - why one group have legal access and the others don't.

Typical marxist. 'Two wheels good, four or more bad' regardless.

Bloody troll.

If enough cars turned up there's not much Plod could do anyway. Summons everyone for driving legally on the highway??
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many objections from this website's raving far-right dinosaurs there would have been if this had been a church holding a peace rally.[/p][/quote]Not sure I've read many objections. Some comments about hypocrisy though. Typical leftie - start screaming 'bigot' or 'nazi' once you have lost any argument / credibility. Isn't a mosque a church by another name anyway? You're just sh*t stirring trying to invoke a muslem V christain argument because you have nothing to offer to the origianal - why one group have legal access and the others don't. Typical marxist. 'Two wheels good, four or more bad' regardless. Bloody troll. If enough cars turned up there's not much Plod could do anyway. Summons everyone for driving legally on the highway?? Rochford Rob
  • Score: -1

3:48pm Fri 8 Feb 13

norfolkbroad says...

It seems the bigotry is now extended to anyone who doesn't vote UKIP too... Can we tone down the ranting please? It's a PEACE march for god's sake, not the end of the world, and it's a good thing. It is a minor inconvenience,lasts a couple of hours, has been organised legally and will harm nobody. Get a grip. I am sometimes really ashamed to be british.
It seems the bigotry is now extended to anyone who doesn't vote UKIP too... Can we tone down the ranting please? It's a PEACE march for god's sake, not the end of the world, and it's a good thing. It is a minor inconvenience,lasts a couple of hours, has been organised legally and will harm nobody. Get a grip. I am sometimes really ashamed to be british. norfolkbroad
  • Score: 0

4:00pm Fri 8 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

norfolkbroad wrote:
It seems the bigotry is now extended to anyone who doesn't vote UKIP too... Can we tone down the ranting please? It's a PEACE march for god's sake, not the end of the world, and it's a good thing. It is a minor inconvenience,lasts a couple of hours, has been organised legally and will harm nobody. Get a grip. I am sometimes really ashamed to be british.
No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events mentioned - Peace Rall, Remembrance, Carnival etc.. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that SBC are (rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.”
[quote][p][bold]norfolkbroad[/bold] wrote: It seems the bigotry is now extended to anyone who doesn't vote UKIP too... Can we tone down the ranting please? It's a PEACE march for god's sake, not the end of the world, and it's a good thing. It is a minor inconvenience,lasts a couple of hours, has been organised legally and will harm nobody. Get a grip. I am sometimes really ashamed to be british.[/p][/quote]No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events mentioned - Peace Rall, Remembrance, Carnival etc.. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that SBC are (rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.” stopmoaning1
  • Score: 1

4:42pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
norfolkbroad wrote:
It seems the bigotry is now extended to anyone who doesn't vote UKIP too... Can we tone down the ranting please? It's a PEACE march for god's sake, not the end of the world, and it's a good thing. It is a minor inconvenience,lasts a couple of hours, has been organised legally and will harm nobody. Get a grip. I am sometimes really ashamed to be british.
No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events mentioned - Peace Rall, Remembrance, Carnival etc.. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that SBC are (rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.”
That's the difference between a properly organised event and a disorganised rabble.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]norfolkbroad[/bold] wrote: It seems the bigotry is now extended to anyone who doesn't vote UKIP too... Can we tone down the ranting please? It's a PEACE march for god's sake, not the end of the world, and it's a good thing. It is a minor inconvenience,lasts a couple of hours, has been organised legally and will harm nobody. Get a grip. I am sometimes really ashamed to be british.[/p][/quote]No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events mentioned - Peace Rall, Remembrance, Carnival etc.. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that SBC are (rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.”[/p][/quote]That's the difference between a properly organised event and a disorganised rabble. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: 0

6:38pm Fri 8 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
norfolkbroad wrote:
It seems the bigotry is now extended to anyone who doesn't vote UKIP too... Can we tone down the ranting please? It's a PEACE march for god's sake, not the end of the world, and it's a good thing. It is a minor inconvenience,lasts a couple of hours, has been organised legally and will harm nobody. Get a grip. I am sometimes really ashamed to be british.
No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events mentioned - Peace Rall, Remembrance, Carnival etc.. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that SBC are (rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.”
That's the difference between a properly organised event and a disorganised rabble.
So why do they have to be an ‘organised’ rabble. It would be fair to assume that any car taking part would be fully legal. If not, the police can deal with them just like any other motoring offence.
What’s so wrong with people parking their cars in a car park so other enthusiasts can look at them.
Why does it have to be called 'AN EVENT'
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]norfolkbroad[/bold] wrote: It seems the bigotry is now extended to anyone who doesn't vote UKIP too... Can we tone down the ranting please? It's a PEACE march for god's sake, not the end of the world, and it's a good thing. It is a minor inconvenience,lasts a couple of hours, has been organised legally and will harm nobody. Get a grip. I am sometimes really ashamed to be british.[/p][/quote]No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events mentioned - Peace Rall, Remembrance, Carnival etc.. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that SBC are (rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.”[/p][/quote]That's the difference between a properly organised event and a disorganised rabble.[/p][/quote]So why do they have to be an ‘organised’ rabble. It would be fair to assume that any car taking part would be fully legal. If not, the police can deal with them just like any other motoring offence. What’s so wrong with people parking their cars in a car park so other enthusiasts can look at them. Why does it have to be called 'AN EVENT' stopmoaning1
  • Score: 2

7:35pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
norfolkbroad wrote:
It seems the bigotry is now extended to anyone who doesn't vote UKIP too... Can we tone down the ranting please? It's a PEACE march for god's sake, not the end of the world, and it's a good thing. It is a minor inconvenience,lasts a couple of hours, has been organised legally and will harm nobody. Get a grip. I am sometimes really ashamed to be british.
No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events mentioned - Peace Rall, Remembrance, Carnival etc.. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that SBC are (rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.”
That's the difference between a properly organised event and a disorganised rabble.
So why do they have to be an ‘organised’ rabble. It would be fair to assume that any car taking part would be fully legal. If not, the police can deal with them just like any other motoring offence.
What’s so wrong with people parking their cars in a car park so other enthusiasts can look at them.
Why does it have to be called 'AN EVENT'
The biggest issue people have with this "event" is the fact that nobody from the organisers bothered to ask for permission from the Council to actually stage the event, but they just declared that they were going to “takeover Southend”

Yes it is a public car park but if it is taken over by cruisers members of the public will feel intimidated and stay away from a public car park is that fair on them?

If there is an accident in the car park how will the emergency service be able to attend to the injured parties if the car park is swarming with people and cars parked haphazardly?

There are ways to organise events and the way this cruise has been arranged has been wrong from the outset, which is why it should not be permitted to go ahead.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]norfolkbroad[/bold] wrote: It seems the bigotry is now extended to anyone who doesn't vote UKIP too... Can we tone down the ranting please? It's a PEACE march for god's sake, not the end of the world, and it's a good thing. It is a minor inconvenience,lasts a couple of hours, has been organised legally and will harm nobody. Get a grip. I am sometimes really ashamed to be british.[/p][/quote]No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events mentioned - Peace Rall, Remembrance, Carnival etc.. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that SBC are (rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.”[/p][/quote]That's the difference between a properly organised event and a disorganised rabble.[/p][/quote]So why do they have to be an ‘organised’ rabble. It would be fair to assume that any car taking part would be fully legal. If not, the police can deal with them just like any other motoring offence. What’s so wrong with people parking their cars in a car park so other enthusiasts can look at them. Why does it have to be called 'AN EVENT'[/p][/quote]The biggest issue people have with this "event" is the fact that nobody from the organisers bothered to ask for permission from the Council to actually stage the event, but they just declared that they were going to “takeover Southend” Yes it is a public car park but if it is taken over by cruisers members of the public will feel intimidated and stay away from a public car park is that fair on them? If there is an accident in the car park how will the emergency service be able to attend to the injured parties if the car park is swarming with people and cars parked haphazardly? There are ways to organise events and the way this cruise has been arranged has been wrong from the outset, which is why it should not be permitted to go ahead. Joe Wildman-Clark
  • Score: 0

4:42pm Sat 9 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
norfolkbroad wrote:
It seems the bigotry is now extended to anyone who doesn't vote UKIP too... Can we tone down the ranting please? It's a PEACE march for god's sake, not the end of the world, and it's a good thing. It is a minor inconvenience,lasts a couple of hours, has been organised legally and will harm nobody. Get a grip. I am sometimes really ashamed to be british.
No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events mentioned - Peace Rall, Remembrance, Carnival etc.. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that SBC are (rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.”
That's the difference between a properly organised event and a disorganised rabble.
So why do they have to be an ‘organised’ rabble. It would be fair to assume that any car taking part would be fully legal. If not, the police can deal with them just like any other motoring offence.
What’s so wrong with people parking their cars in a car park so other enthusiasts can look at them.
Why does it have to be called 'AN EVENT'
The biggest issue people have with this "event" is the fact that nobody from the organisers bothered to ask for permission from the Council to actually stage the event, but they just declared that they were going to “takeover Southend”

Yes it is a public car park but if it is taken over by cruisers members of the public will feel intimidated and stay away from a public car park is that fair on them?

If there is an accident in the car park how will the emergency service be able to attend to the injured parties if the car park is swarming with people and cars parked haphazardly?

There are ways to organise events and the way this cruise has been arranged has been wrong from the outset, which is why it should not be permitted to go ahead.
No argument. You said yourself it's a PUBLIC car park. This means ANYBODY can use it. I'm sure the roads will be full of famiies turned away from the full car park on a freezing February night, almost as many that can't get in to the same car parks on a hot August Sunday afternoon. Also, I think I might know how the emergency services would reach an accident you mentioned. I think they may do the same as they would on that same hot Sunday afternoon when the car park is just as full, if not more so.
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]norfolkbroad[/bold] wrote: It seems the bigotry is now extended to anyone who doesn't vote UKIP too... Can we tone down the ranting please? It's a PEACE march for god's sake, not the end of the world, and it's a good thing. It is a minor inconvenience,lasts a couple of hours, has been organised legally and will harm nobody. Get a grip. I am sometimes really ashamed to be british.[/p][/quote]No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events mentioned - Peace Rall, Remembrance, Carnival etc.. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that SBC are (rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.”[/p][/quote]That's the difference between a properly organised event and a disorganised rabble.[/p][/quote]So why do they have to be an ‘organised’ rabble. It would be fair to assume that any car taking part would be fully legal. If not, the police can deal with them just like any other motoring offence. What’s so wrong with people parking their cars in a car park so other enthusiasts can look at them. Why does it have to be called 'AN EVENT'[/p][/quote]The biggest issue people have with this "event" is the fact that nobody from the organisers bothered to ask for permission from the Council to actually stage the event, but they just declared that they were going to “takeover Southend” Yes it is a public car park but if it is taken over by cruisers members of the public will feel intimidated and stay away from a public car park is that fair on them? If there is an accident in the car park how will the emergency service be able to attend to the injured parties if the car park is swarming with people and cars parked haphazardly? There are ways to organise events and the way this cruise has been arranged has been wrong from the outset, which is why it should not be permitted to go ahead.[/p][/quote]No argument. You said yourself it's a PUBLIC car park. This means ANYBODY can use it. I'm sure the roads will be full of famiies turned away from the full car park on a freezing February night, almost as many that can't get in to the same car parks on a hot August Sunday afternoon. Also, I think I might know how the emergency services would reach an accident you mentioned. I think they may do the same as they would on that same hot Sunday afternoon when the car park is just as full, if not more so. stopmoaning1
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8:46pm Sat 9 Feb 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
norfolkbroad wrote:
It seems the bigotry is now extended to anyone who doesn't vote UKIP too... Can we tone down the ranting please? It's a PEACE march for god's sake, not the end of the world, and it's a good thing. It is a minor inconvenience,lasts a couple of hours, has been organised legally and will harm nobody. Get a grip. I am sometimes really ashamed to be british.
No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events mentioned - Peace Rall, Remembrance, Carnival etc.. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that SBC are (rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.”
That's the difference between a properly organised event and a disorganised rabble.
So why do they have to be an ‘organised’ rabble. It would be fair to assume that any car taking part would be fully legal. If not, the police can deal with them just like any other motoring offence.
What’s so wrong with people parking their cars in a car park so other enthusiasts can look at them.
Why does it have to be called 'AN EVENT'
The biggest issue people have with this "event" is the fact that nobody from the organisers bothered to ask for permission from the Council to actually stage the event, but they just declared that they were going to “takeover Southend”

Yes it is a public car park but if it is taken over by cruisers members of the public will feel intimidated and stay away from a public car park is that fair on them?

If there is an accident in the car park how will the emergency service be able to attend to the injured parties if the car park is swarming with people and cars parked haphazardly?

There are ways to organise events and the way this cruise has been arranged has been wrong from the outset, which is why it should not be permitted to go ahead.
No argument. You said yourself it's a PUBLIC car park. This means ANYBODY can use it. I'm sure the roads will be full of famiies turned away from the full car park on a freezing February night, almost as many that can't get in to the same car parks on a hot August Sunday afternoon. Also, I think I might know how the emergency services would reach an accident you mentioned. I think they may do the same as they would on that same hot Sunday afternoon when the car park is just as full, if not more so.
The yoofs in their cars will park however they want, the drunk and drugged up s yoofs going to view will be staggering about all over the place, a hot sunny Sunday afternoon the car park will be used as it should cars parked in neat rows, leaving the access routes clear.

yoof drivers think they own the road, they think they are above the law its time yoof drivers respected the rules.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]norfolkbroad[/bold] wrote: It seems the bigotry is now extended to anyone who doesn't vote UKIP too... Can we tone down the ranting please? It's a PEACE march for god's sake, not the end of the world, and it's a good thing. It is a minor inconvenience,lasts a couple of hours, has been organised legally and will harm nobody. Get a grip. I am sometimes really ashamed to be british.[/p][/quote]No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events mentioned - Peace Rall, Remembrance, Carnival etc.. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that SBC are (rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.”[/p][/quote]That's the difference between a properly organised event and a disorganised rabble.[/p][/quote]So why do they have to be an ‘organised’ rabble. It would be fair to assume that any car taking part would be fully legal. If not, the police can deal with them just like any other motoring offence. What’s so wrong with people parking their cars in a car park so other enthusiasts can look at them. Why does it have to be called 'AN EVENT'[/p][/quote]The biggest issue people have with this "event" is the fact that nobody from the organisers bothered to ask for permission from the Council to actually stage the event, but they just declared that they were going to “takeover Southend” Yes it is a public car park but if it is taken over by cruisers members of the public will feel intimidated and stay away from a public car park is that fair on them? If there is an accident in the car park how will the emergency service be able to attend to the injured parties if the car park is swarming with people and cars parked haphazardly? There are ways to organise events and the way this cruise has been arranged has been wrong from the outset, which is why it should not be permitted to go ahead.[/p][/quote]No argument. You said yourself it's a PUBLIC car park. This means ANYBODY can use it. I'm sure the roads will be full of famiies turned away from the full car park on a freezing February night, almost as many that can't get in to the same car parks on a hot August Sunday afternoon. Also, I think I might know how the emergency services would reach an accident you mentioned. I think they may do the same as they would on that same hot Sunday afternoon when the car park is just as full, if not more so.[/p][/quote]The yoofs in their cars will park however they want, the drunk and drugged up s yoofs going to view will be staggering about all over the place, a hot sunny Sunday afternoon the car park will be used as it should cars parked in neat rows, leaving the access routes clear. yoof drivers think they own the road, they think they are above the law its time yoof drivers respected the rules. Joe Wildman-Clark
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10:39pm Sat 9 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
norfolkbroad wrote:
It seems the bigotry is now extended to anyone who doesn't vote UKIP too... Can we tone down the ranting please? It's a PEACE march for god's sake, not the end of the world, and it's a good thing. It is a minor inconvenience,lasts a couple of hours, has been organised legally and will harm nobody. Get a grip. I am sometimes really ashamed to be british.
No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events mentioned - Peace Rall, Remembrance, Carnival etc.. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that SBC are (rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.”
That's the difference between a properly organised event and a disorganised rabble.
So why do they have to be an ‘organised’ rabble. It would be fair to assume that any car taking part would be fully legal. If not, the police can deal with them just like any other motoring offence.
What’s so wrong with people parking their cars in a car park so other enthusiasts can look at them.
Why does it have to be called 'AN EVENT'
The biggest issue people have with this "event" is the fact that nobody from the organisers bothered to ask for permission from the Council to actually stage the event, but they just declared that they were going to “takeover Southend”

Yes it is a public car park but if it is taken over by cruisers members of the public will feel intimidated and stay away from a public car park is that fair on them?

If there is an accident in the car park how will the emergency service be able to attend to the injured parties if the car park is swarming with people and cars parked haphazardly?

There are ways to organise events and the way this cruise has been arranged has been wrong from the outset, which is why it should not be permitted to go ahead.
No argument. You said yourself it's a PUBLIC car park. This means ANYBODY can use it. I'm sure the roads will be full of famiies turned away from the full car park on a freezing February night, almost as many that can't get in to the same car parks on a hot August Sunday afternoon. Also, I think I might know how the emergency services would reach an accident you mentioned. I think they may do the same as they would on that same hot Sunday afternoon when the car park is just as full, if not more so.
The yoofs in their cars will park however they want, the drunk and drugged up s yoofs going to view will be staggering about all over the place, a hot sunny Sunday afternoon the car park will be used as it should cars parked in neat rows, leaving the access routes clear.

yoof drivers think they own the road, they think they are above the law its time yoof drivers respected the rules.
What world do you live in
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]norfolkbroad[/bold] wrote: It seems the bigotry is now extended to anyone who doesn't vote UKIP too... Can we tone down the ranting please? It's a PEACE march for god's sake, not the end of the world, and it's a good thing. It is a minor inconvenience,lasts a couple of hours, has been organised legally and will harm nobody. Get a grip. I am sometimes really ashamed to be british.[/p][/quote]No, you’ve missed the point. There is no problem with closing the roads for any of the events mentioned - Peace Rall, Remembrance, Carnival etc.. In fact there would be an outcry if they didn’t. The point, is that SBC are (rightly) willing to close roads for these events, yet gained an injunction to stop others who wanted to come to Southend for an event in their cars and don’t need any roads closed. Hypocrisy at an unbelievable level.”[/p][/quote]That's the difference between a properly organised event and a disorganised rabble.[/p][/quote]So why do they have to be an ‘organised’ rabble. It would be fair to assume that any car taking part would be fully legal. If not, the police can deal with them just like any other motoring offence. What’s so wrong with people parking their cars in a car park so other enthusiasts can look at them. Why does it have to be called 'AN EVENT'[/p][/quote]The biggest issue people have with this "event" is the fact that nobody from the organisers bothered to ask for permission from the Council to actually stage the event, but they just declared that they were going to “takeover Southend” Yes it is a public car park but if it is taken over by cruisers members of the public will feel intimidated and stay away from a public car park is that fair on them? If there is an accident in the car park how will the emergency service be able to attend to the injured parties if the car park is swarming with people and cars parked haphazardly? There are ways to organise events and the way this cruise has been arranged has been wrong from the outset, which is why it should not be permitted to go ahead.[/p][/quote]No argument. You said yourself it's a PUBLIC car park. This means ANYBODY can use it. I'm sure the roads will be full of famiies turned away from the full car park on a freezing February night, almost as many that can't get in to the same car parks on a hot August Sunday afternoon. Also, I think I might know how the emergency services would reach an accident you mentioned. I think they may do the same as they would on that same hot Sunday afternoon when the car park is just as full, if not more so.[/p][/quote]The yoofs in their cars will park however they want, the drunk and drugged up s yoofs going to view will be staggering about all over the place, a hot sunny Sunday afternoon the car park will be used as it should cars parked in neat rows, leaving the access routes clear. yoof drivers think they own the road, they think they are above the law its time yoof drivers respected the rules.[/p][/quote]What world do you live in stopmoaning1
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2:17pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Cosmo Spring says...

they've got a lovely day for it.
they've got a lovely day for it. Cosmo Spring
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5:51pm Sun 10 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

I hope somebody from the Echo is reading this and can explain why comments are not allowed on todays follow up story
I hope somebody from the Echo is reading this and can explain why comments are not allowed on todays follow up story stopmoaning1
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1:11pm Mon 11 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
I hope somebody from the Echo is reading this and can explain why comments are not allowed on todays follow up story
No, I thought not
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: I hope somebody from the Echo is reading this and can explain why comments are not allowed on todays follow up story[/p][/quote]No, I thought not stopmoaning1
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