Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels

IMMIGRATION, teenage pregnancies and family break-ups have all been put forward as possible causes of a rise in the number of people waiting for a council house.
 

A full meeting of Basildon Council tried to pinpoint why more than 4,000 people are currently waiting to be housed.
 

The council claimed in its latest budget the building of new homes will be made a priority, although the Tory administration insist this will be in the form of “desirable family properties” and not “unattractive estates”.
 

Tory councillor Stephen Hillier, who represents the Langdon Hills ward, believes that a rise in immigration has caused a strain on housing demand, both locally and nationally.
 

Daniel Munyambu, who recently rejoined the Labour party following a spell with the Independent group, puts the problem down to both growing and disbanding families.
 

Basildon Council wants to ensure that any empty homes are brought up to an appropriate standard and is spending tens of millions on its housing stock over the next four years.

The cash will include £37million towards renovating properties, £1million for improving communal heating systems, £2million on general improvements to council estates, £12million a year for repairs, and £500,000 on building affordable homes.

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5:12pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Cosmo Spring says...

plus the fact that after the selling off of many of them under the right to buy scheme the council haven't actually built that many, if any, new ones....
plus the fact that after the selling off of many of them under the right to buy scheme the council haven't actually built that many, if any, new ones.... Cosmo Spring

5:19pm Wed 20 Feb 13

iknowbetter says...

Cosmo Spring wrote:
plus the fact that after the selling off of many of them under the right to buy scheme the council haven't actually built that many, if any, new ones....
Spot on, thanks to Maggie selling off the housing stock and future Governments for not building any new dwellings. Is it any wonder we are where we are.
[quote][p][bold]Cosmo Spring[/bold] wrote: plus the fact that after the selling off of many of them under the right to buy scheme the council haven't actually built that many, if any, new ones....[/p][/quote]Spot on, thanks to Maggie selling off the housing stock and future Governments for not building any new dwellings. Is it any wonder we are where we are. iknowbetter

5:27pm Wed 20 Feb 13

SpiffSpaffington1984 says...

Why are immigrants on the council housing waiting list? If they cant afford to pay rent, they are not contributing enough to this country, they have no reason to even be here, and if they are immigrants then they have no local connection to basildon.
Why are immigrants on the council housing waiting list? If they cant afford to pay rent, they are not contributing enough to this country, they have no reason to even be here, and if they are immigrants then they have no local connection to basildon. SpiffSpaffington1984

5:34pm Wed 20 Feb 13

TheWizzard says...

Not forgetting that not everybody can afford a mortgage
Not forgetting that not everybody can afford a mortgage TheWizzard

6:04pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Discouraged says...

MPs with 2 houses, meaningless marriage vows so mummy lives here and daddy lives there, young women getting pregnant to get a flat, young women with a flat getting pregnant again to get a house, an economy so rotten no-one is buying homes, too many people coming here to get a home, and too many stupid politicians, both local and national.
MPs with 2 houses, meaningless marriage vows so mummy lives here and daddy lives there, young women getting pregnant to get a flat, young women with a flat getting pregnant again to get a house, an economy so rotten no-one is buying homes, too many people coming here to get a home, and too many stupid politicians, both local and national. Discouraged

6:32pm Wed 20 Feb 13

themarinadog says...

What about No.183 Whitmore Way?
What about No.183 Whitmore Way? themarinadog

6:34pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Carnabackable says...

I like my tenants, and they like me, as a Landlord, I feel I offer a valued service
I like my tenants, and they like me, as a Landlord, I feel I offer a valued service Carnabackable

6:34pm Wed 20 Feb 13

little n says...

there is a council house not far from me, that has been empty for nearly a year, the old lady that lived there passed away,and her daughter who owns her own house has put in for this council house,claiming that she lived there with her mum,all lies, the fraud department was informed of this months ago,yet she still has the keys and still dosnt live there ,so get them to explain that one ,as i cant understand it
there is a council house not far from me, that has been empty for nearly a year, the old lady that lived there passed away,and her daughter who owns her own house has put in for this council house,claiming that she lived there with her mum,all lies, the fraud department was informed of this months ago,yet she still has the keys and still dosnt live there ,so get them to explain that one ,as i cant understand it little n

6:39pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Nebs says...

Look at the Y-axis on the graphs at Figures 8, 9, and 12. UK figures are in a different parish to the rest.

Then spot the UK in Figure 10.

We are in deep trouble.

http://www.europarl.
europa.eu/committees
/en/studiesdownload.
html?languageDocumen
t=EN&file=83716
Look at the Y-axis on the graphs at Figures 8, 9, and 12. UK figures are in a different parish to the rest. Then spot the UK in Figure 10. We are in deep trouble. http://www.europarl. europa.eu/committees /en/studiesdownload. html?languageDocumen t=EN&file=83716 Nebs

6:39pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Carnabackable says...

little n wrote:
there is a council house not far from me, that has been empty for nearly a year, the old lady that lived there passed away,and her daughter who owns her own house has put in for this council house,claiming that she lived there with her mum,all lies, the fraud department was informed of this months ago,yet she still has the keys and still dosnt live there ,so get them to explain that one ,as i cant understand it
You can't count one as an exception to the rule...
[quote][p][bold]little n[/bold] wrote: there is a council house not far from me, that has been empty for nearly a year, the old lady that lived there passed away,and her daughter who owns her own house has put in for this council house,claiming that she lived there with her mum,all lies, the fraud department was informed of this months ago,yet she still has the keys and still dosnt live there ,so get them to explain that one ,as i cant understand it[/p][/quote]You can't count one as an exception to the rule... Carnabackable

7:01pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Eric the Red says...

Well done Basildon Council - the penny has dropped at last! As Basil Fawlty said "Speciality, the bleeding obvious!"
Well done Basildon Council - the penny has dropped at last! As Basil Fawlty said "Speciality, the bleeding obvious!" Eric the Red

7:18pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Soouthchurch59 says...

'Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels'

A bespoke banner for the bigots....
'Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels' A bespoke banner for the bigots.... Soouthchurch59

7:21pm Wed 20 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Eric the Red wrote:
Well done Basildon Council - the penny has dropped at last! As Basil Fawlty said "Speciality, the bleeding obvious!"
But it did take a full council meeting to work it out!
[quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: Well done Basildon Council - the penny has dropped at last! As Basil Fawlty said "Speciality, the bleeding obvious!"[/p][/quote]But it did take a full council meeting to work it out! stopmoaning1

7:46pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Cosmo Spring says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Well done Basildon Council - the penny has dropped at last! As Basil Fawlty said "Speciality, the bleeding obvious!"
But it did take a full council meeting to work it out!
someone's got to eat all those pies
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: Well done Basildon Council - the penny has dropped at last! As Basil Fawlty said "Speciality, the bleeding obvious!"[/p][/quote]But it did take a full council meeting to work it out![/p][/quote]someone's got to eat all those pies Cosmo Spring

7:53pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Ironman says...

Soouthchurch59 wrote:
'Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels'

A bespoke banner for the bigots....
why don't they publish the real, detail figures of how many on the list are actually immigrants.
[quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: 'Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels' A bespoke banner for the bigots....[/p][/quote]why don't they publish the real, detail figures of how many on the list are actually immigrants. Ironman

8:54pm Wed 20 Feb 13

benfleet101 says...

Agreed it was Margaret Thatcher who implemented the Right to Buy scheme nationally (after persuasion from Tory Horace Cutler), however, they took the idea from the Labour Party 1959 Manifesto. http://www.labour-pa
rty.org.uk/manifesto
s/1959/1959-labour-m
anifesto.shtml
Agreed it was Margaret Thatcher who implemented the Right to Buy scheme nationally (after persuasion from Tory Horace Cutler), however, they took the idea from the Labour Party 1959 Manifesto. http://www.labour-pa rty.org.uk/manifesto s/1959/1959-labour-m anifesto.shtml benfleet101

9:10pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Carnabackable says...

benfleet101 wrote:
Agreed it was Margaret Thatcher who implemented the Right to Buy scheme nationally (after persuasion from Tory Horace Cutler), however, they took the idea from the Labour Party 1959 Manifesto. http://www.labour-pa

rty.org.uk/manifesto

s/1959/1959-labour-m

anifesto.shtml
That was a tactical and economical move, to rid the burden from councils of dilapidated properties, under the guise of offering tenants the chance, to become owners..
[quote][p][bold]benfleet101[/bold] wrote: Agreed it was Margaret Thatcher who implemented the Right to Buy scheme nationally (after persuasion from Tory Horace Cutler), however, they took the idea from the Labour Party 1959 Manifesto. http://www.labour-pa rty.org.uk/manifesto s/1959/1959-labour-m anifesto.shtml[/p][/quote]That was a tactical and economical move, to rid the burden from councils of dilapidated properties, under the guise of offering tenants the chance, to become owners.. Carnabackable

9:35pm Wed 20 Feb 13

benfleet101 says...

Carnabackable wrote:
benfleet101 wrote:
Agreed it was Margaret Thatcher who implemented the Right to Buy scheme nationally (after persuasion from Tory Horace Cutler), however, they took the idea from the Labour Party 1959 Manifesto. http://www.labour-pa


rty.org.uk/manifesto


s/1959/1959-labour-m


anifesto.shtml
That was a tactical and economical move, to rid the burden from councils of dilapidated properties, under the guise of offering tenants the chance, to become owners..
Ah, so the Labour party were out to con the public? I see. ;)
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benfleet101[/bold] wrote: Agreed it was Margaret Thatcher who implemented the Right to Buy scheme nationally (after persuasion from Tory Horace Cutler), however, they took the idea from the Labour Party 1959 Manifesto. http://www.labour-pa rty.org.uk/manifesto s/1959/1959-labour-m anifesto.shtml[/p][/quote]That was a tactical and economical move, to rid the burden from councils of dilapidated properties, under the guise of offering tenants the chance, to become owners..[/p][/quote]Ah, so the Labour party were out to con the public? I see. ;) benfleet101

9:53pm Wed 20 Feb 13

DogsMessInLeigh says...

SpiffSpaffington1984 wrote:
Why are immigrants on the council housing waiting list? If they cant afford to pay rent, they are not contributing enough to this country, they have no reason to even be here, and if they are immigrants then they have no local connection to basildon.
In one spiffspaff,there would be plenty more housing if the immigrants where taken out of the equation.
[quote][p][bold]SpiffSpaffington1984[/bold] wrote: Why are immigrants on the council housing waiting list? If they cant afford to pay rent, they are not contributing enough to this country, they have no reason to even be here, and if they are immigrants then they have no local connection to basildon.[/p][/quote]In one spiffspaff,there would be plenty more housing if the immigrants where taken out of the equation. DogsMessInLeigh

10:18pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Soouthchurch59 says...

Ironman wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
'Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels'

A bespoke banner for the bigots....
why don't they publish the real, detail figures of how many on the list are actually immigrants.
Exactly. It simply wouldn't suit their agenda.
[quote][p][bold]Ironman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: 'Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels' A bespoke banner for the bigots....[/p][/quote]why don't they publish the real, detail figures of how many on the list are actually immigrants.[/p][/quote]Exactly. It simply wouldn't suit their agenda. Soouthchurch59

11:29pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Dids says...

SpiffSpaffington1984 wrote:
Why are immigrants on the council housing waiting list? If they cant afford to pay rent, they are not contributing enough to this country, they have no reason to even be here, and if they are immigrants then they have no local connection to basildon.
HEAR HEAR,Spot on,they should be the last to be considered if at all.
[quote][p][bold]SpiffSpaffington1984[/bold] wrote: Why are immigrants on the council housing waiting list? If they cant afford to pay rent, they are not contributing enough to this country, they have no reason to even be here, and if they are immigrants then they have no local connection to basildon.[/p][/quote]HEAR HEAR,Spot on,they should be the last to be considered if at all. Dids

8:36am Thu 21 Feb 13

perini says...

Dids wrote:
SpiffSpaffington1984 wrote: Why are immigrants on the council housing waiting list? If they cant afford to pay rent, they are not contributing enough to this country, they have no reason to even be here, and if they are immigrants then they have no local connection to basildon.
HEAR HEAR,Spot on,they should be the last to be considered if at all.
Dids - You're right! They should not even be considered, their home country can provide them with housing and if they want to come here then they should expect to support themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Dids[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpiffSpaffington1984[/bold] wrote: Why are immigrants on the council housing waiting list? If they cant afford to pay rent, they are not contributing enough to this country, they have no reason to even be here, and if they are immigrants then they have no local connection to basildon.[/p][/quote]HEAR HEAR,Spot on,they should be the last to be considered if at all.[/p][/quote]Dids - You're right! They should not even be considered, their home country can provide them with housing and if they want to come here then they should expect to support themselves. perini

11:47am Thu 21 Feb 13

Nebs says...

perini wrote:
Dids wrote:
SpiffSpaffington1984 wrote: Why are immigrants on the council housing waiting list? If they cant afford to pay rent, they are not contributing enough to this country, they have no reason to even be here, and if they are immigrants then they have no local connection to basildon.
HEAR HEAR,Spot on,they should be the last to be considered if at all.
Dids - You're right! They should not even be considered, their home country can provide them with housing and if they want to come here then they should expect to support themselves.
Or we could let them carry on coming here, give them a home, give them benefits, give them medical treatment, and give the bill for all of it to their home country.
[quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dids[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpiffSpaffington1984[/bold] wrote: Why are immigrants on the council housing waiting list? If they cant afford to pay rent, they are not contributing enough to this country, they have no reason to even be here, and if they are immigrants then they have no local connection to basildon.[/p][/quote]HEAR HEAR,Spot on,they should be the last to be considered if at all.[/p][/quote]Dids - You're right! They should not even be considered, their home country can provide them with housing and if they want to come here then they should expect to support themselves.[/p][/quote]Or we could let them carry on coming here, give them a home, give them benefits, give them medical treatment, and give the bill for all of it to their home country. Nebs

12:55pm Thu 21 Feb 13

perini says...

Nebs wrote:
perini wrote:
Dids wrote:
SpiffSpaffington1984 wrote: Why are immigrants on the council housing waiting list? If they cant afford to pay rent, they are not contributing enough to this country, they have no reason to even be here, and if they are immigrants then they have no local connection to basildon.
HEAR HEAR,Spot on,they should be the last to be considered if at all.
Dids - You're right! They should not even be considered, their home country can provide them with housing and if they want to come here then they should expect to support themselves.
Or we could let them carry on coming here, give them a home, give them benefits, give them medical treatment, and give the bill for all of it to their home country.
Gets my vote!
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dids[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpiffSpaffington1984[/bold] wrote: Why are immigrants on the council housing waiting list? If they cant afford to pay rent, they are not contributing enough to this country, they have no reason to even be here, and if they are immigrants then they have no local connection to basildon.[/p][/quote]HEAR HEAR,Spot on,they should be the last to be considered if at all.[/p][/quote]Dids - You're right! They should not even be considered, their home country can provide them with housing and if they want to come here then they should expect to support themselves.[/p][/quote]Or we could let them carry on coming here, give them a home, give them benefits, give them medical treatment, and give the bill for all of it to their home country.[/p][/quote]Gets my vote! perini

3:25pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Alekhine says...

Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Ironman wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote: 'Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels' A bespoke banner for the bigots....
why don't they publish the real, detail figures of how many on the list are actually immigrants.
Exactly. It simply wouldn't suit their agenda.
or perhaps council are simply not allowed by law to release the information in that form.
[quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ironman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: 'Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels' A bespoke banner for the bigots....[/p][/quote]why don't they publish the real, detail figures of how many on the list are actually immigrants.[/p][/quote]Exactly. It simply wouldn't suit their agenda.[/p][/quote]or perhaps council are simply not allowed by law to release the information in that form. Alekhine

3:42pm Thu 21 Feb 13

little n says...

Carnabackable wrote:
little n wrote:
there is a council house not far from me, that has been empty for nearly a year, the old lady that lived there passed away,and her daughter who owns her own house has put in for this council house,claiming that she lived there with her mum,all lies, the fraud department was informed of this months ago,yet she still has the keys and still dosnt live there ,so get them to explain that one ,as i cant understand it
You can't count one as an exception to the rule...
like mice, where there is one ,there are more.
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]little n[/bold] wrote: there is a council house not far from me, that has been empty for nearly a year, the old lady that lived there passed away,and her daughter who owns her own house has put in for this council house,claiming that she lived there with her mum,all lies, the fraud department was informed of this months ago,yet she still has the keys and still dosnt live there ,so get them to explain that one ,as i cant understand it[/p][/quote]You can't count one as an exception to the rule...[/p][/quote]like mice, where there is one ,there are more. little n

3:54pm Thu 21 Feb 13

whataday says...

Soouthchurch59 wrote:
'Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels'

A bespoke banner for the bigots....
the word should have been realists not bigots
[quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: 'Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels' A bespoke banner for the bigots....[/p][/quote]the word should have been realists not bigots whataday

5:10pm Thu 21 Feb 13

jolllyboy says...

Unless you have been in the area 5 years no social housing should be given.
this was why in 'the old days' support was only given to those whose residence for years was in that parish and they were returned or asked to return to their parish of settlement.

Stop giving child benefit if the children live abroad.
Unless you have been in the area 5 years no social housing should be given. this was why in 'the old days' support was only given to those whose residence for years was in that parish and they were returned or asked to return to their parish of settlement. Stop giving child benefit if the children live abroad. jolllyboy

6:16pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Soouthchurch59 says...

I doubt there is a person among you, that if in the same position, wouldn't take advantage of any prospect of a better life for yourself and children.

Blame those that you elect; not those you can't eject!
I doubt there is a person among you, that if in the same position, wouldn't take advantage of any prospect of a better life for yourself and children. Blame those that you elect; not those you can't eject! Soouthchurch59

6:30pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Soouthchurch59 says...

Alekhine wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Ironman wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote: 'Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels' A bespoke banner for the bigots....
why don't they publish the real, detail figures of how many on the list are actually immigrants.
Exactly. It simply wouldn't suit their agenda.
or perhaps council are simply not allowed by law to release the information in that form.
'IMMIGRATION, teenage pregnancies and family break-ups'

Out of the three reasons given above, I note that the Echo chose to focus their attention on the immigration aspect when it came to the headline.

Shameless....
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ironman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: 'Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels' A bespoke banner for the bigots....[/p][/quote]why don't they publish the real, detail figures of how many on the list are actually immigrants.[/p][/quote]Exactly. It simply wouldn't suit their agenda.[/p][/quote]or perhaps council are simply not allowed by law to release the information in that form.[/p][/quote]'IMMIGRATION, teenage pregnancies and family break-ups' Out of the three reasons given above, I note that the Echo chose to focus their attention on the immigration aspect when it came to the headline. Shameless.... Soouthchurch59

6:38pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Soouthchurch59 says...

whataday wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
'Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels'

A bespoke banner for the bigots....
the word should have been realists not bigots
I should know, what it should read!
[quote][p][bold]whataday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: 'Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels' A bespoke banner for the bigots....[/p][/quote]the word should have been realists not bigots[/p][/quote]I should know, what it should read! Soouthchurch59

11:52pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Ironman says...

Soouthchurch59 wrote:
I doubt there is a person among you, that if in the same position, wouldn't take advantage of any prospect of a better life for yourself and children.

Blame those that you elect; not those you can't eject!
Well said, Sir.
[quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: I doubt there is a person among you, that if in the same position, wouldn't take advantage of any prospect of a better life for yourself and children. Blame those that you elect; not those you can't eject![/p][/quote]Well said, Sir. Ironman

12:43am Fri 22 Feb 13

iknowbetter says...

Ironman wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
I doubt there is a person among you, that if in the same position, wouldn't take advantage of any prospect of a better life for yourself and children.

Blame those that you elect; not those you can't eject!
Well said, Sir.
I also agree.
The government should be charging the immigrants country of origin for the full cost of their stay if they are not in work and paying their own way.
[quote][p][bold]Ironman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: I doubt there is a person among you, that if in the same position, wouldn't take advantage of any prospect of a better life for yourself and children. Blame those that you elect; not those you can't eject![/p][/quote]Well said, Sir.[/p][/quote]I also agree. The government should be charging the immigrants country of origin for the full cost of their stay if they are not in work and paying their own way. iknowbetter

8:49am Fri 22 Feb 13

whateverhappened says...

Soouthchurch59 wrote:
I doubt there is a person among you, that if in the same position, wouldn't take advantage of any prospect of a better life for yourself and children. Blame those that you elect; not those you can't eject!
Have you ever tried to get into America,Canada, or Austrailia for a better life, not just a case of turning up and demanding benefits i believe.
[quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: I doubt there is a person among you, that if in the same position, wouldn't take advantage of any prospect of a better life for yourself and children. Blame those that you elect; not those you can't eject![/p][/quote]Have you ever tried to get into America,Canada, or Austrailia for a better life, not just a case of turning up and demanding benefits i believe. whateverhappened

9:20am Fri 22 Feb 13

Carnabackable says...

whateverhappened wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
I doubt there is a person among you, that if in the same position, wouldn't take advantage of any prospect of a better life for yourself and children. Blame those that you elect; not those you can't eject!
Have you ever tried to get into America,Canada, or Austrailia for a better life, not just a case of turning up and demanding benefits i believe.
You don't get into Aussie without 5 grand in your bank account, a clean record, and a profession, useful to their economy.
[quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: I doubt there is a person among you, that if in the same position, wouldn't take advantage of any prospect of a better life for yourself and children. Blame those that you elect; not those you can't eject![/p][/quote]Have you ever tried to get into America,Canada, or Austrailia for a better life, not just a case of turning up and demanding benefits i believe.[/p][/quote]You don't get into Aussie without 5 grand in your bank account, a clean record, and a profession, useful to their economy. Carnabackable

9:51am Fri 22 Feb 13

s00s93 says...

theres loads of houses at craylands that need filling! if they need a house that bad why dont they accept them?
and you know the worse thing, the plot of land behind the hospital, including the local riding school, livery yard and competition centre is going to be knocked down and built houses on....not any old houses that can be used to house people who need it, or even at a reasonable price for first time buyers, but 4-5 bedroom luxury houses with landscapped gardens!!!
theres loads of houses at craylands that need filling! if they need a house that bad why dont they accept them? and you know the worse thing, the plot of land behind the hospital, including the local riding school, livery yard and competition centre is going to be knocked down and built houses on....not any old houses that can be used to house people who need it, or even at a reasonable price for first time buyers, but 4-5 bedroom luxury houses with landscapped gardens!!! s00s93

6:34pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Devils Advocate says...

benfleet101 wrote:
Agreed it was Margaret Thatcher who implemented the Right to Buy scheme nationally (after persuasion from Tory Horace Cutler), however, they took the idea from the Labour Party 1959 Manifesto. http://www.labour-pa

rty.org.uk/manifesto

s/1959/1959-labour-m

anifesto.shtml
A little diversity in operation here? Without the Labour party how many council houses do you think would have been in existence, and do you remember how many people were living in the asbestos ridden Nissen huts under private landlords?
[quote][p][bold]benfleet101[/bold] wrote: Agreed it was Margaret Thatcher who implemented the Right to Buy scheme nationally (after persuasion from Tory Horace Cutler), however, they took the idea from the Labour Party 1959 Manifesto. http://www.labour-pa rty.org.uk/manifesto s/1959/1959-labour-m anifesto.shtml[/p][/quote]A little diversity in operation here? Without the Labour party how many council houses do you think would have been in existence, and do you remember how many people were living in the asbestos ridden Nissen huts under private landlords? Devils Advocate

9:58pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Lastlaugh... says...

whataday wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
'Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels'

A bespoke banner for the bigots....
the word should have been realists not bigots
Real bigots...I think id have to agree with you!
[quote][p][bold]whataday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: 'Homes crisis blamed on immigration levels' A bespoke banner for the bigots....[/p][/quote]the word should have been realists not bigots[/p][/quote]Real bigots...I think id have to agree with you! Lastlaugh...

10:58am Sat 23 Feb 13

RICH:;CAROL says...

Why do they keep saying the reason there is a shortage of housing is immigration. We dont need to be told because we can work this simple fact out ourselves. It was hard enough for the English families to get houses and now they drop down the housing list to accommodate the massive influx of migrating beggars.

Do we need to keep being told the problem, we already know the problem. It needs someone to say enough is enough and sort this debacle out and STOP anymore immigrants coming in and taking our homes. What party is going sort it and NO do not mention BNP as they are a racist party, but one of the others should be putting this issue first on there manifesto.
Why do they keep saying the reason there is a shortage of housing is immigration. We dont need to be told because we can work this simple fact out ourselves. It was hard enough for the English families to get houses and now they drop down the housing list to accommodate the massive influx of migrating beggars. Do we need to keep being told the problem, we already know the problem. It needs someone to say enough is enough and sort this debacle out and STOP anymore immigrants coming in and taking our homes. What party is going sort it and NO do not mention BNP as they are a racist party, but one of the others should be putting this issue first on there manifesto. RICH:;CAROL

12:08pm Sat 23 Feb 13

2shedsjackson says...

Extract from "Shelter " website . Are people from abroad eligible for a coucil house?
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Only certain people from abroad are eligible for council housing. The rules are very complicated if you are not a UK citizen and your rights will depend on your immigration status. Most people from abroad (including virtually all asylum seekers) do not qualify for council housing.
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Still why let the facts get in the way of a racist rant.
Extract from "Shelter " website . Are people from abroad eligible for a coucil house? . Only certain people from abroad are eligible for council housing. The rules are very complicated if you are not a UK citizen and your rights will depend on your immigration status. Most people from abroad (including virtually all asylum seekers) do not qualify for council housing. . Still why let the facts get in the way of a racist rant. 2shedsjackson

12:23pm Sat 23 Feb 13

RICH:;CAROL says...

2shedsjackson wrote:
Extract from "Shelter " website . Are people from abroad eligible for a coucil house?
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Only certain people from abroad are eligible for council housing. The rules are very complicated if you are not a UK citizen and your rights will depend on your immigration status. Most people from abroad (including virtually all asylum seekers) do not qualify for council housing.
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Still why let the facts get in the way of a racist rant.
Please explain. There are 9 asylum seeker families in Vange that arrived November and December and they have already been housed by the Basildon council. Please explain also that 3 migrants families from Eastern Europe who arrived here October have been given houses in Felmores and vange this Month ?

There are 68 English families on the Basildon council waiting list since April 2012 and since then 23 immigrant families including Congolese Somalian Iraqie Lithuanian and an Egyptian family been housed and all these did not arrive in the UK until september 2012.

Please explain because I would like to know as you seem to know everthing and will be able to tell me and all the other readers WHY ?
[quote][p][bold]2shedsjackson[/bold] wrote: Extract from "Shelter " website . Are people from abroad eligible for a coucil house? . Only certain people from abroad are eligible for council housing. The rules are very complicated if you are not a UK citizen and your rights will depend on your immigration status. Most people from abroad (including virtually all asylum seekers) do not qualify for council housing. . Still why let the facts get in the way of a racist rant.[/p][/quote]Please explain. There are 9 asylum seeker families in Vange that arrived November and December and they have already been housed by the Basildon council. Please explain also that 3 migrants families from Eastern Europe who arrived here October have been given houses in Felmores and vange this Month ? There are 68 English families on the Basildon council waiting list since April 2012 and since then 23 immigrant families including Congolese Somalian Iraqie Lithuanian and an Egyptian family been housed and all these did not arrive in the UK until september 2012. Please explain because I would like to know as you seem to know everthing and will be able to tell me and all the other readers WHY ? RICH:;CAROL

3:51pm Sat 23 Feb 13

2shedsjackson says...

Unlike most of the racist rants on this site I merely posted an extract from Shelter which states the rules and probability for obtaining a council house, rather than speculation and opinion..
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As to your request that I enlighten you, I am not aprised of the FACTS relating to these tenants circumstances . Are you or is this just more racist BNP propaganda?
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Maybe you work in the Housing Department and have access to their case files?
Unlike most of the racist rants on this site I merely posted an extract from Shelter which states the rules and probability for obtaining a council house, rather than speculation and opinion.. . As to your request that I enlighten you, I am not aprised of the FACTS relating to these tenants circumstances . Are you or is this just more racist BNP propaganda? . Maybe you work in the Housing Department and have access to their case files? 2shedsjackson

8:05pm Sat 23 Feb 13

Nebs says...

2shedsjackson wrote:
Unlike most of the racist rants on this site I merely posted an extract from Shelter which states the rules and probability for obtaining a council house, rather than speculation and opinion..
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As to your request that I enlighten you, I am not aprised of the FACTS relating to these tenants circumstances . Are you or is this just more racist BNP propaganda?
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Maybe you work in the Housing Department and have access to their case files?
If Rich Carol is right then it would seem that Shelter are wrong.
[quote][p][bold]2shedsjackson[/bold] wrote: Unlike most of the racist rants on this site I merely posted an extract from Shelter which states the rules and probability for obtaining a council house, rather than speculation and opinion.. . As to your request that I enlighten you, I am not aprised of the FACTS relating to these tenants circumstances . Are you or is this just more racist BNP propaganda? . Maybe you work in the Housing Department and have access to their case files?[/p][/quote]If Rich Carol is right then it would seem that Shelter are wrong. Nebs

7:12am Sun 24 Feb 13

2shedsjackson says...

Hmmmm so Nebs the choice is between Shelter, a charity since 1966 set up to tackle London's slum housing and advised over 2 million people last year and ................
Hmmmm so Nebs the choice is between Shelter, a charity since 1966 set up to tackle London's slum housing and advised over 2 million people last year and ................ 2shedsjackson

10:50am Sun 24 Feb 13

RICH:;CAROL says...

Nebs wrote:
2shedsjackson wrote:
Unlike most of the racist rants on this site I merely posted an extract from Shelter which states the rules and probability for obtaining a council house, rather than speculation and opinion..
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As to your request that I enlighten you, I am not aprised of the FACTS relating to these tenants circumstances . Are you or is this just more racist BNP propaganda?
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Maybe you work in the Housing Department and have access to their case files?
If Rich Carol is right then it would seem that Shelter are wrong.
I will only give you facts on all matters. I only tell truths What I have told you are exact numbers. Shelter is funded by the government and rely on donations and they will only print things that makes them look good and justifys them raking in big money. I do not believe anything that they say.

It annoys me very much that some of you keep quoting the BNP . I think the echo should ban anyone that supports a racist nazi party as this bnp are very offensive to many people including me as my daughter as you know married a Jewish man. Some people call others on this site racist and 99% of them are not. Some people turn this post into a racist rant and should not do this.
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]2shedsjackson[/bold] wrote: Unlike most of the racist rants on this site I merely posted an extract from Shelter which states the rules and probability for obtaining a council house, rather than speculation and opinion.. . As to your request that I enlighten you, I am not aprised of the FACTS relating to these tenants circumstances . Are you or is this just more racist BNP propaganda? . Maybe you work in the Housing Department and have access to their case files?[/p][/quote]If Rich Carol is right then it would seem that Shelter are wrong.[/p][/quote]I will only give you facts on all matters. I only tell truths What I have told you are exact numbers. Shelter is funded by the government and rely on donations and they will only print things that makes them look good and justifys them raking in big money. I do not believe anything that they say. It annoys me very much that some of you keep quoting the BNP . I think the echo should ban anyone that supports a racist nazi party as this bnp are very offensive to many people including me as my daughter as you know married a Jewish man. Some people call others on this site racist and 99% of them are not. Some people turn this post into a racist rant and should not do this. RICH:;CAROL

1:00pm Sun 24 Feb 13

barneydrop says...

It can only get worse when the Bulgarians arrive. There is a long queue to get a visa to travel to GB.
It can only get worse when the Bulgarians arrive. There is a long queue to get a visa to travel to GB. barneydrop

1:42pm Sun 24 Feb 13

2shedsjackson says...

9 asylum seeker families in Vange that arrived November and December and they have already been housed by the Basildon..
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families from Eastern Europe who arrived here October have been given houses in Felmores and vange this Month ?
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68 English families on the Basildon council waiting list since April 2012 and since then 23 immigrant families including Congolese Somalian Iraqie Lithuanian and an Egyptian family been housed and all these did not arrive in the UK until september 2012.

So please do tell , what is the source of your detailed facts and precise numbers for these families?
9 asylum seeker families in Vange that arrived November and December and they have already been housed by the Basildon.. . families from Eastern Europe who arrived here October have been given houses in Felmores and vange this Month ? . 68 English families on the Basildon council waiting list since April 2012 and since then 23 immigrant families including Congolese Somalian Iraqie Lithuanian and an Egyptian family been housed and all these did not arrive in the UK until september 2012. So please do tell , what is the source of your detailed facts and precise numbers for these families? 2shedsjackson

1:56pm Sun 24 Feb 13

2shedsjackson says...

BTW Shelter is a much respected charity of long standing which derives only 21% of its income from grants. It's advice comes from information in the public domain and is freely published it on its site.
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I eagerly await your post on the provenance for your facts. Just stating that what you post is the truth doesn't cut it i'm afraid.
BTW Shelter is a much respected charity of long standing which derives only 21% of its income from grants. It's advice comes from information in the public domain and is freely published it on its site. . I eagerly await your post on the provenance for your facts. Just stating that what you post is the truth doesn't cut it i'm afraid. 2shedsjackson

7:15pm Sun 24 Feb 13

jolllyboy says...

if you havent lived in the area for 5 years then you should not get a house. Single mothers should not be given a house or separate accommodation than that they were in before getting pregnant. Time for the errant fathers to be made to pay up and the mothers name them or lose benefit.
if you havent lived in the area for 5 years then you should not get a house. Single mothers should not be given a house or separate accommodation than that they were in before getting pregnant. Time for the errant fathers to be made to pay up and the mothers name them or lose benefit. jolllyboy

8:53pm Sun 24 Feb 13

Devils Advocate says...

jolllyboy wrote:
if you havent lived in the area for 5 years then you should not get a house. Single mothers should not be given a house or separate accommodation than that they were in before getting pregnant. Time for the errant fathers to be made to pay up and the mothers name them or lose benefit.
Whilst agreeing with the meat of your viewpoint, I think the time must be near when mothers take the responsibility of their decision not to marry, and then have children that will be kept by the state. They are old enough to have children then they are old enough to pay for their upkeep. This endless granting of cheque books at our expense to people who keep on having unprotected sex has got to stop.
[quote][p][bold]jolllyboy[/bold] wrote: if you havent lived in the area for 5 years then you should not get a house. Single mothers should not be given a house or separate accommodation than that they were in before getting pregnant. Time for the errant fathers to be made to pay up and the mothers name them or lose benefit.[/p][/quote]Whilst agreeing with the meat of your viewpoint, I think the time must be near when mothers take the responsibility of their decision not to marry, and then have children that will be kept by the state. They are old enough to have children then they are old enough to pay for their upkeep. This endless granting of cheque books at our expense to people who keep on having unprotected sex has got to stop. Devils Advocate

9:56pm Sun 24 Feb 13

Altravista says...

Are there 4,000 people sleeping rough on the streets of Basildon? No. So why are there 4,000 on the waiting list? If you take out people who are already adequately housed and only stay on the list "as a matter of principle", (yes they exist I know some of them) then the numbers will be greatly reduced. The council could do with analysing these numbers a lot more closely, contacting everyone on the list to assess if they really do have a pressing need for housing. Somehow I doubt it. What might alleviate the situation would be a crackdown on illegal subletting and a requirement for any single person or couple living in a property of more than 2 bedrooms to move to a smaller one, thus leaving larger flats and houses for families. Also closer checks in the first place as to the prospective tenants' family situation - there are countless numbers who claim to have larger families than they actually do, just to get a bigger house.
Are there 4,000 people sleeping rough on the streets of Basildon? No. So why are there 4,000 on the waiting list? If you take out people who are already adequately housed and only stay on the list "as a matter of principle", (yes they exist I know some of them) then the numbers will be greatly reduced. The council could do with analysing these numbers a lot more closely, contacting everyone on the list to assess if they really do have a pressing need for housing. Somehow I doubt it. What might alleviate the situation would be a crackdown on illegal subletting and a requirement for any single person or couple living in a property of more than 2 bedrooms to move to a smaller one, thus leaving larger flats and houses for families. Also closer checks in the first place as to the prospective tenants' family situation - there are countless numbers who claim to have larger families than they actually do, just to get a bigger house. Altravista

11:14pm Sun 24 Feb 13

Devils Advocate says...

Altravista wrote:
Are there 4,000 people sleeping rough on the streets of Basildon? No. So why are there 4,000 on the waiting list? If you take out people who are already adequately housed and only stay on the list "as a matter of principle", (yes they exist I know some of them) then the numbers will be greatly reduced. The council could do with analysing these numbers a lot more closely, contacting everyone on the list to assess if they really do have a pressing need for housing. Somehow I doubt it. What might alleviate the situation would be a crackdown on illegal subletting and a requirement for any single person or couple living in a property of more than 2 bedrooms to move to a smaller one, thus leaving larger flats and houses for families. Also closer checks in the first place as to the prospective tenants' family situation - there are countless numbers who claim to have larger families than they actually do, just to get a bigger house.
How do you actually know the reasons why there are 4000 people on the waiting list? Do you know all about overcrowding, living in shared accommodation, living in houses that are not suitable for human habitation? People sharing separated accommodation? condemned housing?
There are many reasons that people are put on to the waiting list and not all of them obvious.
To say "they are not sleeping on the streets" and "as a matter of principle" shows an oversimplified view, probably from someone not from the working class. As for "moving to a smaller house" that is a bit cruel I think. Without considering your circumstances, would you like it if you had a 4 bedroom house someone knocked at your door and said "Right, your property is too large for your circumstances, you have to move into a 1 bedroom flat!" Of course not. But then of course, you probably live in your own property, as do I, but is that any reason to under occupy in these hard times? Wouldn't it be better if the selfish classes paid everybody a decent living wage and enabled every working person to buy their own property? It would raise the living standards of all of us and allow for a huge increase in the number of employed. Trouble is, the fatted cats want everybody else to work for peanuts then moan when things like this happen. The government stated that we are desperately short of skilled workers, so wedged open the door to that sector of immigration. If they hadn't disbanded apprenticeships (once again out of greed) we would not have had this gap. No matter which way one looks at these problems, it always comes down to mismanagement.
[quote][p][bold]Altravista[/bold] wrote: Are there 4,000 people sleeping rough on the streets of Basildon? No. So why are there 4,000 on the waiting list? If you take out people who are already adequately housed and only stay on the list "as a matter of principle", (yes they exist I know some of them) then the numbers will be greatly reduced. The council could do with analysing these numbers a lot more closely, contacting everyone on the list to assess if they really do have a pressing need for housing. Somehow I doubt it. What might alleviate the situation would be a crackdown on illegal subletting and a requirement for any single person or couple living in a property of more than 2 bedrooms to move to a smaller one, thus leaving larger flats and houses for families. Also closer checks in the first place as to the prospective tenants' family situation - there are countless numbers who claim to have larger families than they actually do, just to get a bigger house.[/p][/quote]How do you actually know the reasons why there are 4000 people on the waiting list? Do you know all about overcrowding, living in shared accommodation, living in houses that are not suitable for human habitation? People sharing separated accommodation? condemned housing? There are many reasons that people are put on to the waiting list and not all of them obvious. To say "they are not sleeping on the streets" and "as a matter of principle" shows an oversimplified view, probably from someone not from the working class. As for "moving to a smaller house" that is a bit cruel I think. Without considering your circumstances, would you like it if you had a 4 bedroom house someone knocked at your door and said "Right, your property is too large for your circumstances, you have to move into a 1 bedroom flat!" Of course not. But then of course, you probably live in your own property, as do I, but is that any reason to under occupy in these hard times? Wouldn't it be better if the selfish classes paid everybody a decent living wage and enabled every working person to buy their own property? It would raise the living standards of all of us and allow for a huge increase in the number of employed. Trouble is, the fatted cats want everybody else to work for peanuts then moan when things like this happen. The government stated that we are desperately short of skilled workers, so wedged open the door to that sector of immigration. If they hadn't disbanded apprenticeships (once again out of greed) we would not have had this gap. No matter which way one looks at these problems, it always comes down to mismanagement. Devils Advocate

7:12am Mon 25 Feb 13

2shedsjackson says...

RICH:;CAROL says...
I will only give you facts on all matters. I only tell truths What I have told you are exact numbers.
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I am still awaiting where these facts originate from, perhaps they are not facts after all and are rumour and propaganda. To know the exact dates of arivals and housing circumstances of some 3 dozen families in another part of the county to where you live seems odd to me.
RICH:;CAROL says... I will only give you facts on all matters. I only tell truths What I have told you are exact numbers. . I am still awaiting where these facts originate from, perhaps they are not facts after all and are rumour and propaganda. To know the exact dates of arivals and housing circumstances of some 3 dozen families in another part of the county to where you live seems odd to me. 2shedsjackson

9:41pm Mon 25 Feb 13

parallax says...

2sheds
Maybe RICH:;CAROL has access to info but cant reveal the source so as to implicate themselves (ie whistle blowing)
like our MP's you can believe the data they spout or take a walk down any highstreet or housing estate and see the REAL situation.
Its time we faced up to the FACTS that we cannot afford to pay out to all and sundry unless they can show a history of contributions into the system.
there will be nothing left in the pot when we want to retire let alone when our children need help .
2sheds Maybe RICH:;CAROL has access to info but cant reveal the source so as to implicate themselves (ie whistle blowing) like our MP's you can believe the data they spout or take a walk down any highstreet or housing estate and see the REAL situation. Its time we faced up to the FACTS that we cannot afford to pay out to all and sundry unless they can show a history of contributions into the system. there will be nothing left in the pot when we want to retire let alone when our children need help . parallax

9:25am Tue 26 Feb 13

The Rothschild Cowgirl says...

parallax wrote:
2sheds
Maybe RICH:;CAROL has access to info but cant reveal the source so as to implicate themselves (ie whistle blowing)
like our MP's you can believe the data they spout or take a walk down any highstreet or housing estate and see the REAL situation.
Its time we faced up to the FACTS that we cannot afford to pay out to all and sundry unless they can show a history of contributions into the system.
there will be nothing left in the pot when we want to retire let alone when our children need help .
Perhaps we should all emmigrate to shorten the waiting list. Let those who remain support us in our new life of leisure. No need to work , just live off the social benefits afforded us by those hard grafting fools back home.

Now then, what time was that flight ?
[quote][p][bold]parallax[/bold] wrote: 2sheds Maybe RICH:;CAROL has access to info but cant reveal the source so as to implicate themselves (ie whistle blowing) like our MP's you can believe the data they spout or take a walk down any highstreet or housing estate and see the REAL situation. Its time we faced up to the FACTS that we cannot afford to pay out to all and sundry unless they can show a history of contributions into the system. there will be nothing left in the pot when we want to retire let alone when our children need help .[/p][/quote]Perhaps we should all emmigrate to shorten the waiting list. Let those who remain support us in our new life of leisure. No need to work , just live off the social benefits afforded us by those hard grafting fools back home. Now then, what time was that flight ? The Rothschild Cowgirl

9:18pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Devils Advocate says...

The Rothschild Cowgirl wrote:
parallax wrote:
2sheds
Maybe RICH:;CAROL has access to info but cant reveal the source so as to implicate themselves (ie whistle blowing)
like our MP's you can believe the data they spout or take a walk down any highstreet or housing estate and see the REAL situation.
Its time we faced up to the FACTS that we cannot afford to pay out to all and sundry unless they can show a history of contributions into the system.
there will be nothing left in the pot when we want to retire let alone when our children need help .
Perhaps we should all emmigrate to shorten the waiting list. Let those who remain support us in our new life of leisure. No need to work , just live off the social benefits afforded us by those hard grafting fools back home.

Now then, what time was that flight ?
"No need to work , just live off the social benefits afforded us by those hard grafting fools back home. Now then, what time was that flight ?"

Have you actually ever seen a hard grafting person? By which I mean someone who does not sit in a Revolving chair tapping comments onto various newspapers or social networks, doing what passes for earning a living?

I think that there are far too many people in this country who actually believe they earn a living. I am not talking about gamblers on the stock market, but people who leave the job dirty, sweaty, hungry and in need of a stiff pint. why does everybody blame the out of work for the countries ailments? How many of those in Basildon moved here because that's where the work went, only to be let down by useless, do nothing management. That is where you should look for the reason so many are unemployed, those that lived off the backs of the workforce did not do their share of the graft and keep us all gainfully employed!
[quote][p][bold]The Rothschild Cowgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]parallax[/bold] wrote: 2sheds Maybe RICH:;CAROL has access to info but cant reveal the source so as to implicate themselves (ie whistle blowing) like our MP's you can believe the data they spout or take a walk down any highstreet or housing estate and see the REAL situation. Its time we faced up to the FACTS that we cannot afford to pay out to all and sundry unless they can show a history of contributions into the system. there will be nothing left in the pot when we want to retire let alone when our children need help .[/p][/quote]Perhaps we should all emmigrate to shorten the waiting list. Let those who remain support us in our new life of leisure. No need to work , just live off the social benefits afforded us by those hard grafting fools back home. Now then, what time was that flight ?[/p][/quote]"No need to work , just live off the social benefits afforded us by those hard grafting fools back home. Now then, what time was that flight ?" Have you actually ever seen a hard grafting person? By which I mean someone who does not sit in a Revolving chair tapping comments onto various newspapers or social networks, doing what passes for earning a living? I think that there are far too many people in this country who actually believe they earn a living. I am not talking about gamblers on the stock market, but people who leave the job dirty, sweaty, hungry and in need of a stiff pint. why does everybody blame the out of work for the countries ailments? How many of those in Basildon moved here because that's where the work went, only to be let down by useless, do nothing management. That is where you should look for the reason so many are unemployed, those that lived off the backs of the workforce did not do their share of the graft and keep us all gainfully employed! Devils Advocate

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