Man launches petition following sanctions to job seekers (From Echo)

I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.

I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.

Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.

everyoneh850 wrote:

Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.

There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.

Nebs wrote:

everyoneh850 wrote:

Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.

There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.

On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.

smallguy wrote:
Was the job centre asked to comment?

supermadmax wrote:
Its my understanding that benefits are not just stopped, claimants are given a number of warnings & chances, and even after that they can appeal, during the appeal period benefits will continued to be paid. As far as I'm concerned its very reasonable that claimants have to provide proof that they are approaching 5-10 employers a week (remember all they have to do is look on the site, send a cv to a job, and follow it up (that alone counts as three steeps!! and they only have to do 15 steps a week!) I believe the real problem is that now their adviser can log into the on line account to see what search activity the claimants have been doing, and they are quite rightly pulling up the people refusing to do the bear minimum. Like it or loath it the British benefits system is one of the best in the world & the only people who have issue with these changes are those who were abusing the system & have no intention of getting a job. "Mr Cooke said he would now be launching a petition outside the job centre to find out how many people are in the same boat and want the system changed." I doubt he will, words are cheap, but if he does I concede that is proactive & displays get up & go, although I cant help but feel if he put that attitude into his job search someone would have given him a chance by now. Please review Mr Cooke : http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2284542/Art-Bouvier- Man-spots-Jhaqueil-R eagan-walking-10-mil es-job-interview-giv es-job.html

essex_man wrote:
If you are ready to accept minimum wage and work in care sector.There are jobs available.

everyoneh850 wrote:

Nebs wrote:

everyoneh850 wrote:

Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.

There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.

On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.

How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??

DrSpiffSpaffington wrote:
People act like benefit claimants live the high life at our expense, they get £45 a week dont they? I spend more than that on food alone. Fact is we are in a recession and employers only want cheap foreign labour. The job centre will pull out all the stops to try and cut somebodys benefits, the government is pressuring them to get asmany people off as they can, same as they are finding 60% of disability claimants "fit to work" conveniently forgetting to tell us that most win on appeal or die soon after

Red Under Your Bed wrote:

DrSpiffSpaffington wrote:
People act like benefit claimants live the high life at our expense, they get £45 a week dont they? I spend more than that on food alone. Fact is we are in a recession and employers only want cheap foreign labour. The job centre will pull out all the stops to try and cut somebodys benefits, the government is pressuring them to get asmany people off as they can, same as they are finding 60% of disability claimants "fit to work" conveniently forgetting to tell us that most win on appeal or die soon after

JSA is £71 a week. If anyone is living the high life on that after paying gas, electric, water, possibly a phone bill, (and soon they'll have to pay council tax too) I'd be surprised.

DrSpiffSpaffington wrote:
Working for you? I thought flashing schoolkids was a solo persuit asbo?

southchurchroad wrote:
There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks).

Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20.

There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax.

You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.

Nebs wrote:

everyoneh850 wrote:

Nebs wrote:

everyoneh850 wrote:

Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.

There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.

On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.

How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??

Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance.
Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages.

I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.

jayman wrote:

I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.

or not.....

this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work.

if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work.

try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding..

The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare..

How-ironic wrote:

jayman wrote:

I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.

or not.....

this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work.

if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work.

try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding..

The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare..

Why should the state have to support people who become unemployed?
I pay monthly to have income protection in case of redundancy which covers my salary of the worse happens, this should be mandatory.

I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.

I hate the police wrote:
Mr Cooke could easily get a job if he tried. The fact is, Mr Cooke is a sad 34 year old man, living at home with his parents, and is quite happy with recieving the benefits his getting, so he can spend it on drink and drugs.

s00s93 wrote:
things like this just annoy me. like people have said, there are plenty of jobs out there. maybe he should go back to college instead of applying for jobs he cant qualify for! and as for benefits dont even get me started.....

Carnabackable wrote:
Time to knuckle down and face the realities of the 21st century. No one will be carried, at the expense of others, those who haven't got a job, must find one, or two.
The good times of doing sweet FA are over, when my Father needed work, he got upon his bike..............

jayman wrote:

How-ironic wrote:

jayman wrote:

I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.

or not.....

this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work.

if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work.

try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding..

The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare..

Why should the state have to support people who become unemployed?
I pay monthly to have income protection in case of redundancy which covers my salary of the worse happens, this should be mandatory.

such protection is an abstract consideration on minimum wage when financial provision for food is your top priority!

Carnabackable wrote:
Time to knuckle down and face the realities of the 21st century. No one will be carried, at the expense of others, those who haven't got a job, must find one, or two. The good times of doing sweet FA are over, when my Father needed work, he got upon his bike..............

Carnabackable wrote:
Time to knuckle down and face the realities of the 21st century. No one will be carried, at the expense of others, those who haven't got a job, must find one, or two. The good times of doing sweet FA are over, when my Father needed work, he got upon his bike..............

heartbeat wrote:

southchurchroad wrote:
There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks).

Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20.

There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax.

You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.

A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality!

It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation.

Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a

shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc.

All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be.

If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into.

The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us.

FoxyLady wrote:

heartbeat wrote:

southchurchroad wrote: There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks). Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20. There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax. You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.

A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality! It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation. Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc. All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be. If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into. The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us.

Heartbeat & Southchurch road - you are both so right. X

pembury53 wrote:

FoxyLady wrote:

heartbeat wrote:

southchurchroad wrote: There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks). Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20. There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax. You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.

A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality! It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation. Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc. All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be. If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into. The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us.

Heartbeat & Southchurch road - you are both so right. X

Spot on...

George80 wrote:
I can see both sides to this, there are plenty of people out there who will do whatever it takes to get a job but just seem to get knocked back, as a couple of examples someone i know who worked up in the City lost his job and now washes cars, but to him its a job, not saying there is anything wrong with washing cars but he's took whatever he could just so he can say he has a job. Another one is a useless waste of space he has been offered jobs and for every job he makes an excuse as to why he cant do it, the best being it cost too much to push bike to a location and to run his bike? then starts to kick up a fuss when what happened to this guy happened to him, he seemed to think looking at the echo and making up company names on his job sheet was enough, he was a little shocked when they started to check this out. the amazing thing about him is he pleads poverty yet he swims by taking advantage of this cheap pass thing, plays golf and cycles miles on that bike that would cost too much to run, as has been said if he put that much effort into getting a job he'd have one the fact is he doesnt want one until they stop his £70 pw and mortgage interest payments. bottom line is not everyon on JSA is the same and its easy for us that are fortunate to have jobs to judge, however dont feel sorry for all of them some are playing the system and giving everyone else a bad name.

BIRLIS wrote:
OK, there seems to be some professional people on here. Mr Cooke, if you really want a job stop dicking about with protests and post here with your skills and experience. Let's see if the community can give you a helping hand.

I assume you are logging on to read about your story....

stopmoaning1 wrote:

George80 wrote: I can see both sides to this, there are plenty of people out there who will do whatever it takes to get a job but just seem to get knocked back, as a couple of examples someone i know who worked up in the City lost his job and now washes cars, but to him its a job, not saying there is anything wrong with washing cars but he's took whatever he could just so he can say he has a job. Another one is a useless waste of space he has been offered jobs and for every job he makes an excuse as to why he cant do it, the best being it cost too much to push bike to a location and to run his bike? then starts to kick up a fuss when what happened to this guy happened to him, he seemed to think looking at the echo and making up company names on his job sheet was enough, he was a little shocked when they started to check this out. the amazing thing about him is he pleads poverty yet he swims by taking advantage of this cheap pass thing, plays golf and cycles miles on that bike that would cost too much to run, as has been said if he put that much effort into getting a job he'd have one the fact is he doesnt want one until they stop his £70 pw and mortgage interest payments. bottom line is not everyon on JSA is the same and its easy for us that are fortunate to have jobs to judge, however dont feel sorry for all of them some are playing the system and giving everyone else a bad name.

Well said. I continually try and point out that there are always two sides to a story, and in the recent item about the homeless shelter I was repeatedly shot down by the blinkered fluffy brigade, who did not even want a discussion but continued with their own beliefs that anybody who is out of work must receive as much as they can completely free. Glad you have personal examples to show, not that it will provoke any reasonable response. I wonder how long it will take for the abuse to start rolling in on your post?

Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.

Tiger Rider wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.

Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.

Tiger Rider wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.

Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.

asbo in a coma wrote:
well on this issue you and i agree. exit the european union and make foreign nationals require work visas

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.

Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.

ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.

Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK.


Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.

Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK.


Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?

reptile wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.

Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK. Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?

Suppose it's because we are now plumbing the depths immigration wise.

Tiger Rider wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.

Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK. Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?

I have no problem with immigration either as long as it's not to the detriment of those who live here. The problem I have is with MASS IMMIGRATION which is totally different, this has seen all services under immense pressure, ie NHS, education, infrastructure, not enough affordable housing means demand outstrips supply, and of course less work that pays a living wage means that more people will claim benefits wether that means in work benefits such as tax credits or unemployment benefit which is subject to sanction. We also need to understand that much of the money earned or claimed from the benefits system by immigrants in this country is sent back to their home land. The evidence of this is on our streets in the form of money transfer shops. This is not good for our economy. Mass immigration also drives our standard of living down wages suffer, and housing supply is not enough or affordable.

Tiger Rider wrote:

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.

Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK.


Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?

I have no problem with immigration either as long as it's not to the detriment of those who live here. The problem I have is with MASS IMMIGRATION which is totally different, this has seen all services under immense pressure, ie NHS, education, infrastructure, not enough affordable housing means demand outstrips supply, and of course less work that pays a living wage means that more people will claim benefits wether that means in work benefits such as tax credits or unemployment benefit which is subject to sanction. We also need to understand that much of the money earned or claimed from the benefits system by immigrants in this country is sent back to their home land. The evidence of this is on our streets in the form of money transfer shops. This is not good for our economy. Mass immigration also drives our standard of living down wages suffer, and housing supply is not enough or affordable.

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.

Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK.


Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.

Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.

ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished

Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic.

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.

Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.

ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished

Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic.

heartbeat wrote:

southchurchroad wrote:
There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks).

Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20.

There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax.

You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.

A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality!

It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation.

Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a

shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc.

All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be.

If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into.

The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us.

Noteworthy wrote:
What I find interesting is how the story doesn't mention how long Mr Cooke has been out of work.

I had to go on Jobseekers a few years ago when I was made redundant. I didn't do it straight away - didn't like the idea of being on Benefits. £65 a week though helped me to travel to interviews, put petrol in the car, but then I had n living expenses - moved back with parents and gave up my flat to save money.

Still, I was on JSA for four months and found a job. Now I run my own (small) business.

The job seeking form did indeed consist of 'I searched job website, applied and followed up' but at the same time, I actually did this. Not concentrating on my specialist area of Journalism - which is incredibly hard to get a job in - but also retail work. Lucky I found a position in the end.

Work is out there if you're willing to take it, and if you are not, expect the consequences.

Again, how long has Mr Cooke been in receipt of JSA?

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.

Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.

ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished

Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic.

they are not the minority. to be eligible for job seekers allowance you have to be actively looking for work. put the effort in, evidence it and you are not denied your benefit. it's as simple as that. if you think an unemployed person should be remunerated more than an employed person you are misguided.

I hate the police wrote:

heartbeat wrote:

southchurchroad wrote:
There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks).

Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20.

There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax.

You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.

A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality!

It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation.

Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a


shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc.

All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be.

If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into.

The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us.

I think its best to just become a drug dealer. No taxes or anything.

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.

Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.

ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished

Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic.

One of my examples worked in the City lost his job and is now washing cars for a living, he isnt loaded or very well off by anyones standard but he is providing for himself and his family in a way the other one just wouldnt, he has that attitude of im better off on benefits, and by the time his mortgage interest is paid and not paying petrol costs to get to work he's only about £50 a week down on what he would be doing aminimum wage job, but as ive said to hime time and time again sometimes you have to restart at the bottom in a compnany to get opportunitys. again there are plenty out there that will jump at the opportunity to work for minimum wage just so they have a job and many more that wont. and thats why a wage type scheme wont work, because you will still have this attitude in some people and if there on more money they wont ever work again. it amazes me though how quick he and others i know on JSA will jump up and do some cash in hand work. Help needs to be there for the genuine that are in trouble and do want to work, the others need to have there benefits dropped like him and maybe even this charcter i cant say on that as i dont know him.

ORACUS wrote:
2 pages of job search is a days worth give him a days money as for homelessness he should have claimed housing benefit and hardship payments.

In the last quarter of last year the number of people of working age in work increased by 154 thousand however the number of people of working age not in work only decreased by 108 thousand these are official statistics.

Its obvious that 46 thousand people arrived in the UK and found work almost immediately in that quarter mostly from eastern Europe.

As for work ethic its not ethics its fear or desperation those thing that employers love they make employees ignore health and safety regs keep their mouths shut about crime and cause the secretary to bend over the desk when the boss demands it a step backwards in employment rights.

All the mainstream political parties have had the opportunity to wipe their bottoms on the treaty that allows eastern Europeans to live and work here.

If and its a big if the government gets around to doing its duty 1.5 million will go home a least 1 million will suddenly have work and unemployment will no longer be a issue.

The third Reich = The big society.
The Jews = The unemployed..

Have they started building death camps yet will they use polish labour?

Optional Extra wrote:

Carnabackable wrote:
Time to knuckle down and face the realities of the 21st century. No one will be carried, at the expense of others, those who haven't got a job, must find one, or two. The good times of doing sweet FA are over, when my Father needed work, he got upon his bike..............

The deluded has arose, will take it that your parents never got child allowance outta my taxes, another deluded mongoose.

supermadmax wrote:
Its my understanding that benefits are not just stopped, claimants are given a number of warnings & chances, and even after that they can appeal, during the appeal period benefits will continued to be paid.

As far as I'm concerned its very reasonable that claimants have to provide proof that they are approaching 5-10 employers a week (remember all they have to do is look on the site, send a cv to a job, and follow it up (that alone counts as three steeps!! and they only have to do 15 steps a week!)

I believe the real problem is that now their adviser can log into the on line account to see what search activity the claimants have been doing, and they are quite rightly pulling up the people refusing to do the bear minimum.

Like it or loath it the British benefits system is one of the best in the world & the only people who have issue with these changes are those who were abusing the system & have no intention of getting a job.

"Mr Cooke said he would now be launching a petition outside the job centre to find out how many people are in the same boat and want the system changed."

I doubt he will, words are cheap, but if he does I concede that is proactive & displays get up & go, although I cant help but feel if he put that attitude into his job search someone would have given him a chance by now.

Please review Mr Cooke :
http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2284542/Art-Bouvier-

Man-spots-Jhaqueil-R

eagan-walking-10-mil

es-job-interview-giv

es-job.html

Tiger Rider wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote:

George80 wrote:

Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.

I agree with this.

Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!

unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.

Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.

ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished

Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic.

they are not the minority. to be eligible for job seekers allowance you have to be actively looking for work. put the effort in, evidence it and you are not denied your benefit. it's as simple as that. if you think an unemployed person should be remunerated more than an employed person you are misguided.

Well thats just silly of course the unemployed should not be paid more than those who work, and yes they should be looking for work but the problem is a much more complex one. Those who are unemployed with private rent to pay are at a disadvantage when looking for work that will pay them a living wage and we should all be striving for a living wage. We are constantly being told that we should save for a pension, (they have even raised the pensionable age) but how the hell can we do that when the min wage hardly affords the most basic cost of living? the policies of the 3 main parties are impoverishing the working poor even more and will continue to do so if we keep on working for less and paying more for homes.

everyoneh850 wrote:

Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.

There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.

I hate the police wrote:
Mr Cooke could easily get a job if he tried. The fact is, Mr Cooke is a sad 34 year old man, living at home with his parents, and is quite happy with recieving the benefits his getting, so he can spend it on drink and drugs.

andy:) wrote:

supermadmax wrote:
Its my understanding that benefits are not just stopped, claimants are given a number of warnings & chances, and even after that they can appeal, during the appeal period benefits will continued to be paid.

As far as I'm concerned its very reasonable that claimants have to provide proof that they are approaching 5-10 employers a week (remember all they have to do is look on the site, send a cv to a job, and follow it up (that alone counts as three steeps!! and they only have to do 15 steps a week!)

I believe the real problem is that now their adviser can log into the on line account to see what search activity the claimants have been doing, and they are quite rightly pulling up the people refusing to do the bear minimum.

Like it or loath it the British benefits system is one of the best in the world & the only people who have issue with these changes are those who were abusing the system & have no intention of getting a job.

"Mr Cooke said he would now be launching a petition outside the job centre to find out how many people are in the same boat and want the system changed."

I doubt he will, words are cheap, but if he does I concede that is proactive & displays get up & go, although I cant help but feel if he put that attitude into his job search someone would have given him a chance by now.

Please review Mr Cooke :
http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/news/article-


2284542/Art-Bouvier-


Man-spots-Jhaqueil-R


eagan-walking-10-mil


es-job-interview-giv


es-job.html

Then your 'understanding' is wrong.

I am 45 and have worked since I was 17 non-stop, I was made redundant and of course looked for a new job, making 100's of applications per week.

One week, the advisor briefly mentioned a totally unsuitable job, (weapons testing !), I have always been employed in IT, so i continued looking for an IT job as thats where my skills lie, and there was no shortgage of jobs to apply for.

Then out of the blue I was given a sanction for failing to apply for the job mentioned, at no time, was i told that I MUSt apply for it and at the time the advisor agreed it was unsuitable and appeared to me misfiled, i had to complain to the Job Centre about this which I did in strongly worded terms, I felt like I had been tricked into getting a sanction.

Luckily they saw sense and the sanction was removed but I'm sure these sanctions can be handed to almost anyone, even if you are slogging your guts out and applying for 100s of jobs and having interviews.

I am now fully employed but have no trust for the job center, it appears to me that these sanctions are not helping people into work they are money driven handed down by the government.

And I am certainly not one of the people you say are 'abusing the sytem & not wanting a job'.

Andy

chunkus10 wrote:
i have just read the biggest load of rubbish ever!!

4 yrs ago i got in a bit of trouble and ended up in prison for my crimes which i have now well and trully paid for. When i come out we were in deep recession. not a job in sight or so i thought, 14months later after sending application after application and with the job centres help in getting my forlift licence i landed the best job i have ever had. 12 months later im still there working towards my promotion to assistant manager!

moroal of the story is: if you want a job bad enough you'll get one! even if you have no qualifictations or even have a crimial record. all this there are not enough jobs is pure rubbish there are jobs if you want it bad enough!

I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.

chunkus10 wrote:
now i wonder how hard this chap has actully looked for a job?? is it that he cant find a job at all or is it he cant find one that he would do?? i think you'll fiind that there are plenty of jobs out there but alot of people cant or wont do some of them!!

jolllyboy wrote:
if you dont have a computer you cannot do it. Only allowed the library ones for a limited time and its not long enough to fill in any forms. Especially when the forms are rubbish at downloading.
The Jobcentre is there to help people get jobs - they should be helping people with forms and not just pointing them to machines. If someone is not very literate they should be sent on courses whilst still getting their job-seekers money.

Tiger Rider wrote:

Noteworthy wrote: What I find interesting is how the story doesn't mention how long Mr Cooke has been out of work. I had to go on Jobseekers a few years ago when I was made redundant. I didn't do it straight away - didn't like the idea of being on Benefits. £65 a week though helped me to travel to interviews, put petrol in the car, but then I had n living expenses - moved back with parents and gave up my flat to save money. Still, I was on JSA for four months and found a job. Now I run my own (small) business. The job seeking form did indeed consist of 'I searched job website, applied and followed up' but at the same time, I actually did this. Not concentrating on my specialist area of Journalism - which is incredibly hard to get a job in - but also retail work. Lucky I found a position in the end. Work is out there if you're willing to take it, and if you are not, expect the consequences. Again, how long has Mr Cooke been in receipt of JSA?

Well aren't you the lucky one having parents to fall back on. You obviously have no idea what problems min wage earners without supportive parents face or you would have had to claim benefits straight away. It's a lot easier starting up a small business or taking low paid work if you are living at home with your mum and dad, than struggling to pay private rent without falling into arrears and facing destitution. If your small business grows and you need to employ staff I hope you will pay them a living wage.

chunkus10 wrote:
i have just read the biggest load of rubbish ever!!

4 yrs ago i got in a bit of trouble and ended up in prison for my crimes which i have now well and trully paid for. When i come out we were in deep recession. not a job in sight or so i thought, 14months later after sending application after application and with the job centres help in getting my forlift licence i landed the best job i have ever had. 12 months later im still there working towards my promotion to assistant manager!

moroal of the story is: if you want a job bad enough you'll get one! even if you have no qualifictations or even have a crimial record. all this there are not enough jobs is pure rubbish there are jobs if you want it bad enough!

southchurchroad wrote:

chunkus10 wrote:
i have just read the biggest load of rubbish ever!!

4 yrs ago i got in a bit of trouble and ended up in prison for my crimes which i have now well and trully paid for. When i come out we were in deep recession. not a job in sight or so i thought, 14months later after sending application after application and with the job centres help in getting my forlift licence i landed the best job i have ever had. 12 months later im still there working towards my promotion to assistant manager!

moroal of the story is: if you want a job bad enough you'll get one! even if you have no qualifictations or even have a crimial record. all this there are not enough jobs is pure rubbish there are jobs if you want it bad enough!

You have 46 sweets. 260 people want a sweet, badly. Please explain how each person can have a sweet?

It simply doesn't work. The numbers do not add up whatsoever. There aren't enough jobs. It's not going to get much better anytime soon, as most people are really feeling the pinch, driving down demand for pretty much all goods and services, while the government does it's best to take from the poor to give to the already rich, telling people it will somehow trickle down, rather than end up in offshore accounts.

Congratulations for getting through your troubles and finding work by the way- just remember that you were one of the lucky 46 to get a sweetie.

ladyvcw@aol.com wrote:
Hi
I actually work as a processor for jobseekers allowance and I am amazed and sad at the comments on this article. Firstly I would like to clear up the myth that jobcentre staff fanny around on facebook etc. You have absolutely no idea of the pressure and workload that we have. You have no right to assume that we are lazy or dont care. Our top brass bosses impose hard targets and constantly remind us we are lucky to have a job and we work hard to keep them. Sanctions are imposed in a lot of cases on the lazy and the unwilling but sometimes they are imposed on the genuine jobseeker, but there is ALWAYS a reason for a disallowance. If you feel that you have been wronged you may ask for a reconsideration of the decision and you may also ask for hardship help. There is a processing time but I can assure you the decision making staff are working as hard and fast as they can to get the decisions made as quickly as possible. There are jobs out there. Not many I know and Not necessary the sort of job you feel is worthy of you. But the fact is that if you receive a benefit you are asking the already overloaded tax payer to assist you with your living costs. They pay for your prescriptions, your housing benefit, your share of the refuse collection, your denistry etc.etc. They then have to pay the costs again for themselves! All the taxpayer asks, via jobseekers allowance is that you do your best to help yourself. Seriously, stop moaning about how hard done by you are! If you get a job, even a part time job, there are other top up benefits which you may be able to claim to help you. We are a hand held society these days, when really we need to be a society that helps itself... not to taxpayers money, but to a better way of life through our hard work and ability to do whats necessary to support ourselves. Whatever it takes. And yes, I was also made redundant and claimed jobseekers allowance before I got my job...and this is my view and NOT the official stance on this article.

Nebs wrote:

everyoneh850 wrote:

Nebs wrote:

everyoneh850 wrote:

Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.

There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.

On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.

How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??

Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance.
Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages.

How-ironic wrote:

jayman wrote:

I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.

or not.....

this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work.

if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work.

try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding..

The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare..

Why should the state have to support people who become unemployed?
I pay monthly to have income protection in case of redundancy which covers my salary of the worse happens, this should be mandatory.

ladyvcw@aol.com wrote:
Hi
I actually work as a processor for jobseekers allowance and I am amazed and sad at the comments on this article. Firstly I would like to clear up the myth that jobcentre staff fanny around on facebook etc. You have absolutely no idea of the pressure and workload that we have. You have no right to assume that we are lazy or dont care. Our top brass bosses impose hard targets and constantly remind us we are lucky to have a job and we work hard to keep them. Sanctions are imposed in a lot of cases on the lazy and the unwilling but sometimes they are imposed on the genuine jobseeker, but there is ALWAYS a reason for a disallowance. If you feel that you have been wronged you may ask for a reconsideration of the decision and you may also ask for hardship help. There is a processing time but I can assure you the decision making staff are working as hard and fast as they can to get the decisions made as quickly as possible. There are jobs out there. Not many I know and Not necessary the sort of job you feel is worthy of you. But the fact is that if you receive a benefit you are asking the already overloaded tax payer to assist you with your living costs. They pay for your prescriptions, your housing benefit, your share of the refuse collection, your denistry etc.etc. They then have to pay the costs again for themselves! All the taxpayer asks, via jobseekers allowance is that you do your best to help yourself. Seriously, stop moaning about how hard done by you are! If you get a job, even a part time job, there are other top up benefits which you may be able to claim to help you. We are a hand held society these days, when really we need to be a society that helps itself... not to taxpayers money, but to a better way of life through our hard work and ability to do whats necessary to support ourselves. Whatever it takes. And yes, I was also made redundant and claimed jobseekers allowance before I got my job...and this is my view and NOT the official stance on this article.

u dont have a clue wrote:
This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke.

asbo in a coma wrote:
"people are trying as hard as they can". the clown can't even fill out a form. try inhabiting the real world. communism failed. let's not rework a failed experiment

stopmoaning1 wrote:

u dont have a clue wrote:
This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke.

and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".

It is NOT a 'human right' to expect me to support you

asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?

stopmoaning1 wrote:

u dont have a clue wrote:
This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke.

and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".

It is NOT a 'human right' to expect me to support you

emcee wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

u dont have a clue wrote:
This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke.

and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".

It is NOT a 'human right' to expect me to support you

Did you not read the article, or Mr Cooke's response?
The fact you live here, in the UK, means you, like it or not, are signed up to help your fellow man, in their hour of need, through payment of your taxes. This has nothing to do with human rights, it is all to do with living in a modern, (supposedly) caring society. If you do not like this arrangement there are other countries of this world that will be happy to accommodate the fascist idealism many posters have spewed in this comments section.

heartbeat wrote:

jayman wrote:

How-ironic wrote:

jayman wrote:

I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.

or not.....

this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work.

if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work.

try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding..

The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare..

Why should the state have to support people who become unemployed?
I pay monthly to have income protection in case of redundancy which covers my salary of the worse happens, this should be mandatory.

such protection is an abstract consideration on minimum wage when financial provision for food is your top priority!

Yes and apart from the cost which is absolutely prohibitive for anyone on minimum wage, or in "we'll call you when we want you" kind of employment, just try getting insurance to cover redundancy if you've ever had a serious illness! Or even if you're over 50 (and don't forget we've all now got to work or be considered "scroungers" until our late 60s - no arthritis or getting doddery allowed! Who on EARTH is going to want to employ the millions of people who have had serious illnesses and are the wrong side of 50 (or even 60) when there aren't even enough jobs for fit and healthy, fast-learning 20-somethings? I'm quite sure I wouldn't if I was an employer and my main concern was to have a successful business that was viable financially.

And what a complete joke that age-discrimination is supposed to be illegal - application forms always ask the date you passed your exams - something of a giveaway if you passed your O levels in the 1960s!

Don't let something like that worry you though - all those "holier than thou's" who are practically perfect in every way obviously seem to know they have a Divine Right to unfailing perfect health for the next 60 years or so and will never, ever fall foul of a company "reshuffle".

asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?

southchurchroad wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote: "people are trying as hard as they can". the clown can't even fill out a form. try inhabiting the real world. communism failed. let's not rework a failed experiment

We do have socialism in this country, only it applies only to the very rich- the ones getting subsidies, the ones dodging hundreds of billions of pounds in tax, the ones getting fat contracts with no oversight from the government. They take far, far, far more than any fictional "dole scrounging jeremy kyle wannabe druggie yobbo criminal scum" could dream of. But you seem just fine with that. Of course, if you actually looked at why people are being sanctioned, rather than relying on your convenient prejudices, you would find out that due to ever increasing rules and regulations, genuine jobseekers are getting sanctioned for the pettiest of reasons, or flat out mistakes from overworked DWP staff. Hence the use of foodbanks e.t.c raising 5 fold in the last year. But hey, they aren't working jobs that don't exist, so maybe they should starve to reduce the excess population, after all, we should aspire to be like third world countries apparently. Or hey, maybe you can explain how 5 people can work 1 job. I guess they just aren't trying hard enough?

ricardo62 wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?

Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,

asbo in a coma wrote:

ricardo62 wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?

Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,

why confine yourself to just car sales...?

ricardo62 wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?

Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,

emcee wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

u dont have a clue wrote:
This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke.

and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".

It is NOT a 'human right' to expect me to support you

Did you not read the article, or Mr Cooke's response?
The fact you live here, in the UK, means you, like it or not, are signed up to help your fellow man, in their hour of need, through payment of your taxes. This has nothing to do with human rights, it is all to do with living in a modern, (supposedly) caring society. If you do not like this arrangement there are other countries of this world that will be happy to accommodate the fascist idealism many posters have spewed in this comments section.

stopmoaning1 wrote:

ricardo62 wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?

Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,

Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.

ricardo62 wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

ricardo62 wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?

Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,

Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.

Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business
im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .

stopmoaning1 wrote:

ricardo62 wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

ricardo62 wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?

Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,

Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.

Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business
im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .

I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’
There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone
Any of these reasonable enough?

DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON
East Tilbury
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EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin

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Full details & apply
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Grays
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ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone: 01702 344933 Website: www.st-thomasmore.so

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THE FITZWIMARC SCHOOL Hockley Road, Rayleigh SS6 8EB 01268 743884 2 SITE ASSISTANTS Required as soon as possible 1x PERMANENT 1 x 6 MONTH CONTRACT...

ricardo62 wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

ricardo62 wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

ricardo62 wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?

Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,

Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.

Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business
im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .

I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’
There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone
Any of these reasonable enough?

DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON
East Tilbury
N/A
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EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin


g from the City of London Must be polite &...
Save this job
Email this job
Full details & apply
DEPUTY MANAGER
Grays
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers...
CARETAKER / MAINTENANCE WORKER
Westcliff On Sea
N/A
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ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone: 01702 344933 Website: www.st-thomasmore.so


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Care & Support Workers
Benfleet
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Care & Support workers required Are you a caring person? Be rewarded in doing what you do best. Full training & NVQ provided. Must be able to work
Care Assistants
Braintree
N/A
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Care & Support Forest Homecare Would you like to work in your own community, delivering high quality care and support to people in their own home?...
SITE ASSISTANTS
RAYLEIGH
N/A
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THE FITZWIMARC SCHOOL Hockley Road, Rayleigh SS6 8EB 01268 743884 2 SITE ASSISTANTS Required as soon as possible 1x PERMANENT 1 x 6 MONTH CONTRACT...

Thank you rachie for your reply , and as to the above post i ought to mention that i live in great bentley nr clacton , so obviously the jobs above would unsuitable owing to the cost in commuting every day , however if i was to be offered a car sales position than that would be worth the commute owing to the potential high earnings which can be achieved .
As i posted earlier it would not be possible for me to work in the care sector it would bring back to many memorys after seeing what my late father had to endure, also i believe its best to use your skills to a job that your suited to , im finding it almost impossible to find employment , i believe my age is a factor ,i think the majority of employers would rather take on a young person than someone of my years , even though i have experiance of managing staff and running a small business ,apart from the fact most jobs nowadays are part time and with my outgoings i need a full time position to cover my living costs .

stopmoaning1 wrote:

ricardo62 wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

ricardo62 wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

ricardo62 wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?

Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,

Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.

Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business
im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .

I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’
There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone
Any of these reasonable enough?

DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON
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THE FITZWIMARC SCHOOL Hockley Road, Rayleigh SS6 8EB 01268 743884 2 SITE ASSISTANTS Required as soon as possible 1x PERMANENT 1 x 6 MONTH CONTRACT...

Thank you rachie for your reply , and as to the above post i ought to mention that i live in great bentley nr clacton , so obviously the jobs above would unsuitable owing to the cost in commuting every day , however if i was to be offered a car sales position than that would be worth the commute owing to the potential high earnings which can be achieved .
As i posted earlier it would not be possible for me to work in the care sector it would bring back to many memorys after seeing what my late father had to endure, also i believe its best to use your skills to a job that your suited to , im finding it almost impossible to find employment , i believe my age is a factor ,i think the majority of employers would rather take on a young person than someone of my years , even though i have experiance of managing staff and running a small business ,apart from the fact most jobs nowadays are part time and with my outgoings i need a full time position to cover my living costs .

Well there we are. Reasons NOT to apply for a job. Enough said.

stopmoaning1 wrote:
Look at the latest posts with jobs more local to you.
As for caring for and watching my own parents die, been there, done that. TWICE. Fully qualified thank you very much!

Rachie wrote:

Nebs wrote:

everyoneh850 wrote:

Nebs wrote:

everyoneh850 wrote:

Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.

There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.

On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.

How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??

Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance.
Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages.

Are you joking? I have my own business.

6 years ago though our previous one collapsed, not a fly by night you understand? A well respected local printing firm started 30 years previously by my father in law. With the invention of home PC's and 'vistaprint' it has become a dying trade and we were dependent on our few large customers. In the space of a year one of our biggest started an in house print shop, and another went bust owing us £1000s.

We lost everything. Our home, our business and our self respect. We lived in B & B provided by the council and our children suffered for it.

We were lucky. Some friends helped us out and slowly we picked up the pieces and started again working from a rented house.

Start a business.... you make me laugh. Do you know how much we pay in taxes and VAT and all the other sundries and paperwork that companies house insists on?

You have no idea or concept of reality!

ricardo62 wrote:
I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .

Nebs wrote:

Rachie wrote:

Nebs wrote:

everyoneh850 wrote:

Nebs wrote:

everyoneh850 wrote:

Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.

There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.

On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.

How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??

Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance.
Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages.

Are you joking? I have my own business.

6 years ago though our previous one collapsed, not a fly by night you understand? A well respected local printing firm started 30 years previously by my father in law. With the invention of home PC's and 'vistaprint' it has become a dying trade and we were dependent on our few large customers. In the space of a year one of our biggest started an in house print shop, and another went bust owing us £1000s.

We lost everything. Our home, our business and our self respect. We lived in B & B provided by the council and our children suffered for it.

We were lucky. Some friends helped us out and slowly we picked up the pieces and started again working from a rented house.

Start a business.... you make me laugh. Do you know how much we pay in taxes and VAT and all the other sundries and paperwork that companies house insists on?

You have no idea or concept of reality!

Yes, I do know about taxes and paperwork and companies house. I run my own businesses.
So do you by the sounds of it, so why do you have a problem with other people starting their own business.

Rachie wrote:

Nebs wrote:

Rachie wrote:

Nebs wrote:

everyoneh850 wrote:

Nebs wrote:

everyoneh850 wrote:

Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.

There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.

On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.

How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??

Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance.
Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages.

Are you joking? I have my own business.

6 years ago though our previous one collapsed, not a fly by night you understand? A well respected local printing firm started 30 years previously by my father in law. With the invention of home PC's and 'vistaprint' it has become a dying trade and we were dependent on our few large customers. In the space of a year one of our biggest started an in house print shop, and another went bust owing us £1000s.

We lost everything. Our home, our business and our self respect. We lived in B & B provided by the council and our children suffered for it.

We were lucky. Some friends helped us out and slowly we picked up the pieces and started again working from a rented house.

Start a business.... you make me laugh. Do you know how much we pay in taxes and VAT and all the other sundries and paperwork that companies house insists on?

You have no idea or concept of reality!

Yes, I do know about taxes and paperwork and companies house. I run my own businesses.
So do you by the sounds of it, so why do you have a problem with other people starting their own business.

LOL what gave it away? Was it the first line where I said I did? (smiles in a jocular fashion so as not to be misconstrued)

Because waking up one morning and saying 'today I think I'll start my own business' isn't a good plan for anyone. Neither is trawling through the Yellow Pages looking for an idea to form a business. Both ways are destined to fail ultimately.

You need to research, use your own skills and have the capital for whatever it is you choose to do.

I'm not against starting a business, I believe the small businesses are what's holding it all together at the moment. What I AM against is starting a business without looking into potential pitfalls and regulations etc.

I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.

ricardo62 wrote:
I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .

southchurchroad wrote:

I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.

I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?

stopmoaning1 wrote:

southchurchroad wrote:

I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.

I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?

I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.

stopmoaning1 wrote:

ricardo62 wrote:
I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .

Like the merchant raiders, Mr Cooke now pins his true colours to the mast. There are 155 posts on this story, most of them supporting you. Some have found vacancies on this very site and twice you have given reasons NOT to even apply. It is a very well known fact that it is easier to get a job if you already have one, simply because you have a proven work ethic – willing to take anything just to get a foot in the door, but still you give your reasons for not doing this.
And now the truth is out, you ‘bow out of this debate unless people are able to offer you real solutions’
Well they have Mr Cooke, but you don’t like them so you ‘bow out’
I hope the fluffy brigade take the time to read all of you excuses and are happy to carry on paying their taxes for you to continue making excuses at every opportunity.

asbo in a coma wrote:

ricardo62 wrote:
I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .

stay positive but be more flexible. remember it's always easier to get a job when you're in employment already. so as a step stone just roll up your sleeves and be less picky. consider it an investment in yourself. good luck to you.

southchurchroad wrote:

I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.

I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?

ricardo62 wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

ricardo62 wrote:
I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .

stay positive but be more flexible. remember it's always easier to get a job when you're in employment already. so as a step stone just roll up your sleeves and be less picky. consider it an investment in yourself. good luck to you.

Thank you .... and i find it hard to comprehend the bigots on here who are obviosly in decent jobs , i was once too , all i can say is enjoy because one day you might be in my position and maybe you wont be quite so quick to judge ,i am a qualified person with a background of management and sales up to middle management boardroom level , im just hoping i can find employment where i can best utilise my skills , and better myself ..

ORACUS wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

ricardo62 wrote:
I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .

Like the merchant raiders, Mr Cooke now pins his true colours to the mast. There are 155 posts on this story, most of them supporting you. Some have found vacancies on this very site and twice you have given reasons NOT to even apply. It is a very well known fact that it is easier to get a job if you already have one, simply because you have a proven work ethic – willing to take anything just to get a foot in the door, but still you give your reasons for not doing this.
And now the truth is out, you ‘bow out of this debate unless people are able to offer you real solutions’
Well they have Mr Cooke, but you don’t like them so you ‘bow out’
I hope the fluffy brigade take the time to read all of you excuses and are happy to carry on paying their taxes for you to continue making excuses at every opportunity.

On this thread Mr Cooke posted once under the ussername u dont have a clue.
ricardo62 who lives in great Bentley nr clacton is not Mr Cooke.
stopmoaning1 you really dont have a clue you.
You have defamed Mr Cooke by name on a public thread hope for your sake he doesn’t seek legal advice.

southchurchroad wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

southchurchroad wrote:

I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.

I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?

I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.

What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts?

ricardo62 wrote:

asbo in a coma wrote:

ricardo62 wrote:
I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .

stay positive but be more flexible. remember it's always easier to get a job when you're in employment already. so as a step stone just roll up your sleeves and be less picky. consider it an investment in yourself. good luck to you.

Thank you .... and i find it hard to comprehend the bigots on here who are obviosly in decent jobs , i was once too , all i can say is enjoy because one day you might be in my position and maybe you wont be quite so quick to judge ,i am a qualified person with a background of management and sales up to middle management boardroom level , im just hoping i can find employment where i can best utilise my skills , and better myself ..

stopmoaning1 wrote:

southchurchroad wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

southchurchroad wrote:

I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.

I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?

I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.

What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts?

Ooo, a quiz. I’ll answer the three questions one at a time (although 2 and 3 are kind of merged into one question)

1/ None of it. I do understand there are around 460000 jobs.
2/ Yes
3/ No

How did I do?

southchurchroad wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

southchurchroad wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

southchurchroad wrote:

I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.

I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?

I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.

What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts?

Ooo, a quiz. I’ll answer the three questions one at a time (although 2 and 3 are kind of merged into one question)

1/ None of it. I do understand there are around 460000 jobs.
2/ Yes
3/ No

How did I do?

Then what exactly was your point? Or, if you prefer, what do you think mine is, because I don't think you grasp what I'm actually talking about.

stopmoaning1 wrote:

southchurchroad wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

southchurchroad wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

southchurchroad wrote:

I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.

I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?

I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.

What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts?

Ooo, a quiz. I’ll answer the three questions one at a time (although 2 and 3 are kind of merged into one question)

1/ None of it. I do understand there are around 460000 jobs.
2/ Yes
3/ No

How did I do?

Then what exactly was your point? Or, if you prefer, what do you think mine is, because I don't think you grasp what I'm actually talking about.

Sorry, I’ll see if I can make mine clearer.
If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available. – New bit…. And would then get the sympathy and help they deserve because there genuinely are NO jobs available.
Your bit; Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "e “plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nation-wide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy
I’ve also corrected your spelling and grammar for you.

stopmoaning1 wrote:

southchurchroad wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

southchurchroad wrote:

stopmoaning1 wrote:

southchurchroad wrote:

I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.

I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?

I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.

What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts?

Ooo, a quiz. I’ll answer the three questions one at a time (although 2 and 3 are kind of merged into one question)

1/ None of it. I do understand there are around 460000 jobs.
2/ Yes
3/ No

How did I do?

Then what exactly was your point? Or, if you prefer, what do you think mine is, because I don't think you grasp what I'm actually talking about.

Sorry, I’ll see if I can make mine clearer.
If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available. – New bit…. And would then get the sympathy and help they deserve because there genuinely are NO jobs available.
Your bit; Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "e “plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nation-wide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy
I’ve also corrected your spelling and grammar for you.