Hadleigh residents fear social housing proposals (From Echo)

“It sounds snobby, but I was born in Hackney and grew up in east London so I can’t really be accused of being a snob.”

Yes it is snobby! not in my back yard springs to mind here. Why should Hadleigh not get some affordable housing? it is no different from Rayleigh, or Southend or even Basildon in that young people need places to live, to settle, and why should that not be in Hadleigh?
Affordable housing is not always full of immigrants and low lifes, so stop carping and accept that we need more housing in this area and why not in Hadleigh?
and with a surname like Costa, is he not an immigrant himself...........

Why drag everywhere down to the level of (like you say) Basildon, why not have aspirational towns were older more mature better off people can live in peace.
As for your comment about his name well IMO it goes to show how bad it has got, 1st and 2nd genreration immigrants are now moving out of london because of what is becoming. Many people came to britain because it was britain, not an enclave of were they came from in britain.

Rayleigh mum wrote:
“It sounds snobby, but I was born in Hackney and grew up in east London so I can’t really be accused of being a snob.”

Yes it is snobby! not in my back yard springs to mind here. Why should Hadleigh not get some affordable housing? it is no different from Rayleigh, or Southend or even Basildon in that young people need places to live, to settle, and why should that not be in Hadleigh?
Affordable housing is not always full of immigrants and low lifes, so stop carping and accept that we need more housing in this area and why not in Hadleigh?
and with a surname like Costa, is he not an immigrant himself...........

'I can’t really be accused of being a snob.'

You can. I am, you are!

Soouthchurch59 wrote:

Rayleigh mum wrote:
“It sounds snobby, but I was born in Hackney and grew up in east London so I can’t really be accused of being a snob.”

Yes it is snobby! not in my back yard springs to mind here. Why should Hadleigh not get some affordable housing? it is no different from Rayleigh, or Southend or even Basildon in that young people need places to live, to settle, and why should that not be in Hadleigh?
Affordable housing is not always full of immigrants and low lifes, so stop carping and accept that we need more housing in this area and why not in Hadleigh?
and with a surname like Costa, is he not an immigrant himself...........

'I can’t really be accused of being a snob.'

You can. I am, you are!

Didn't mean to quote RM

whateverhappened wrote:
Why drag everywhere down to the level of (like you say) Basildon, why not have aspirational towns were older more mature better off people can live in peace. As for your comment about his name well IMO it goes to show how bad it has got, 1st and 2nd genreration immigrants are now moving out of london because of what is becoming. Many people came to britain because it was britain, not an enclave of were they came from in britain.

because 'aspirational' towns of older people are not the way forward. For a town to prosper, it needs a wide diversity of ages and families. so people are moving out of London because of immigration, they have been doing this for years. Essex is and always has been a good mix of diverse cultures and this is only a good thing. What we don't need is councils that are forced to give the affordable housing to foreign people who come over here for the benefit culture. there are plenty of local people who need affordable housing, who work for a living, and cannot find it, because of the sort of narrow minded people like these living in Hadleigh.

just anti social housing then for Hadleigh?

Well give me Hadleigh over westcliff anyday...unless i want a takeaway

Sorry "but residents say it could damage the character of the town. "
The town itself has no character it is a through road to Southend. It is a nice place to live becasue of its location.

This is pure NIMBYs at work. And as for I cant be snobby because I come from Hackney do not get me started what a comment.
The real people of Hadleigh are not like that most of us came to Hadleigh from other regions and areas. We should welcome people to the area and not just because they have the money to live here, we need young families who want to put down roots and contribute to the local area.
It embarrasses me when I hear people talk like this.

I can't believe what I'm reading to be honest. Hadleigh isn't very nice at all, everyone knows it. It's stuck between Leigh and Benfleet, which both have so much more going for them, including a train station for one! Hadleigh should support social housing as should every other town in the UK!

Well my first hand experience is that if housing association move in the local area will suffer. In my case increase car crime, increase police presence, increase in garden thefts and drunken abusive behaviour. I got out before they got in but my mother and many others where forced to sell up (at any price) and move away after living there for 35 years.

mys842 wrote:
I can't believe what I'm reading to be honest. Hadleigh isn't very nice at all, everyone knows it. It's stuck between Leigh and Benfleet, which both have so much more going for them, including a train station for one! Hadleigh should support social housing as should every other town in the UK!

mys842

Would guess you drive up the A13 only. Hadleigh is not that bad but it is not the quaint village that some of the residents seem to pretend it is. But I totally agree with you that every town should be made to support social housing. If everyone did it and it was not all concentrated into one development / area then it would be better for everyone.

HadleighBoy wrote:

mys842 wrote: I can't believe what I'm reading to be honest. Hadleigh isn't very nice at all, everyone knows it. It's stuck between Leigh and Benfleet, which both have so much more going for them, including a train station for one! Hadleigh should support social housing as should every other town in the UK!

mys842 Would guess you drive up the A13 only. Hadleigh is not that bad but it is not the quaint village that some of the residents seem to pretend it is. But I totally agree with you that every town should be made to support social housing. If everyone did it and it was not all concentrated into one development / area then it would be better for everyone.

I have seen other parts, but admit the A13 part isn't that appealing. I don't dislike Hadleigh, but false pretences about it being any better than any of the other towns in South Essex are a bit misguided, especially when it is so lacking in things that a lot of people look for.

Virtually every town around here has some great parts about it and some not so nice. Rayleigh, Hockley, Leigh, Benfleet, Southend, Westcliff, Shoeburyness, North Shoebury, Rochford, Wakering could go on and on. None of those towns has refused soical housing and none of them think it's beneath them. Every place needs to take on the responsibility of sharing the burden on society that social housing creates. But that's no different to schools, hospitals, etc.

Just think (some) Hadleigh residents need to drop the NIMBY snobbery - after all we all live in South Essex and are rubbished by even bigger snobs elsewhere!

Hadleigh. Gateway to Canvey Island!

Is the Ron Harrell (of Hadleigh Park Avenue) you quote actually Ron Hurrell (of Hadleigh Park Avenue)?

He's chairman of the local branch of UKIP isn't he?

Strange he's chosen not to use his official title in the story. Maybe he doesn't want us to know UKIP's plans for ghettoising the poor into the bad parts of town (Canvey and South Benfleet).

Hang on a mo, but isn't that Tory party policy? Demonise the poor, slash their benefit and take away their Sky dish etc. etc..

I'm confused now. Which right wing facists are stealing which policy from whom?

Oh heck, think I'll just pull the curtains closed and wait 'till it's safe to come out after 2015 - if the condems last that long of course. Personally I predict a riot (original version not a cover).

What happened to the Poll Tax anyway?

NIMBYism or a quite rational fear/ expectation that the social housing will quickly become "antisocial"?

GrumpyofLeigh wrote:
NIMBYism or a quite rational fear/ expectation that the social housing will quickly become "antisocial"?

NIMBYism there are plenty of people that do not need social housing that are anti social. Just the kind of comment I would expect from someone living in Leigh.
You cannot turn your backs on people just because they cannot afford to have a mortgage or own their own property. To many Daily Mail / Daily Telegraph readers who think that anyone who needs social housing is scum.

marshman wrote:
Is the Ron Harrell (of Hadleigh Park Avenue) you quote actually Ron Hurrell (of Hadleigh Park Avenue)? He's chairman of the local branch of UKIP isn't he? Strange he's chosen not to use his official title in the story. Maybe he doesn't want us to know UKIP's plans for ghettoising the poor into the bad parts of town (Canvey and South Benfleet). Hang on a mo, but isn't that Tory party policy? Demonise the poor, slash their benefit and take away their Sky dish etc. etc.. I'm confused now. Which right wing facists are stealing which policy from whom? Oh heck, think I'll just pull the curtains closed and wait 'till it's safe to come out after 2015 - if the condems last that long of course. Personally I predict a riot (original version not a cover). What happened to the Poll Tax anyway?

Yes it is but as usual the Echo do not proof read anything before they publish and typed his name wrong.

Luckily the roads never jammed up round here and will be able to cope with all these extra people, there is plenty of surplus capacity at local hospitals and doctors, we never have a problem with water shortages in the South East, and there are plenty of jobs for everyone that moves here. Whats the problem, build twice as many, just make sure they are ready in time for the Romanians who will be coming over next year/

I also beg to differ with "It’s not young people coming here. There is no such thing in Hadleigh as affordable homes in Hadleigh and the only people who can move here are those who own a property in London which they can sell. "

Take a look on Rightmove; there are plenty of houses below £300grand. Even 4 bed detached ones for 25ok. Not sure how much this person thinks property costs elsewhere, but the prices look very similar to all of the decent parts of South Essex. Yes, there are a few above a million, but there are plenty of those in Southend alone!

Nebs wrote:
Luckily the roads never jammed up round here and will be able to cope with all these extra people, there is plenty of surplus capacity at local hospitals and doctors, we never have a problem with water shortages in the South East, and there are plenty of jobs for everyone that moves here. Whats the problem, build twice as many, just make sure they are ready in time for the Romanians who will be coming over next year/

So where in the UK is free from these problems? Most people who need assistance in affordable housing are the people that are working in low paid jobs. Unfortunaltey if you make them live somewhere else in the UK no one will be able to do the jobs that they do like cleaning, some nurses, manual labour etc then where will we be.

HadleighBoy wrote:

Nebs wrote:
Luckily the roads never jammed up round here and will be able to cope with all these extra people, there is plenty of surplus capacity at local hospitals and doctors, we never have a problem with water shortages in the South East, and there are plenty of jobs for everyone that moves here. Whats the problem, build twice as many, just make sure they are ready in time for the Romanians who will be coming over next year/

So where in the UK is free from these problems? Most people who need assistance in affordable housing are the people that are working in low paid jobs. Unfortunaltey if you make them live somewhere else in the UK no one will be able to do the jobs that they do like cleaning, some nurses, manual labour etc then where will we be.

You'll have to pay more to your cleaner, so as they can afford to carry on working for you.

mys842 wrote:
I also beg to differ with "It’s not young people coming here. There is no such thing in Hadleigh as affordable homes in Hadleigh and the only people who can move here are those who own a property in London which they can sell. "

Take a look on Rightmove; there are plenty of houses below £300grand. Even 4 bed detached ones for 25ok. Not sure how much this person thinks property costs elsewhere, but the prices look very similar to all of the decent parts of South Essex. Yes, there are a few above a million, but there are plenty of those in Southend alone!

Have I fallen asleep and woken in a parallel universe? £300k is affordable? I think more in terms of a youngish couple with so-so jobs with a joint income of probably £30k. So "affordable" is £150k. And as a young couple, they want to think of kids so they want an affordable HOUSE not a flat.
So if the development is for houses costing £150k for LOCAL families/couples/pot
ential families, I would be the first to support it.
But, somehow, I dont think the maths work out.

GrumpyofLeigh wrote:

mys842 wrote:
I also beg to differ with "It’s not young people coming here. There is no such thing in Hadleigh as affordable homes in Hadleigh and the only people who can move here are those who own a property in London which they can sell. "

Take a look on Rightmove; there are plenty of houses below £300grand. Even 4 bed detached ones for 25ok. Not sure how much this person thinks property costs elsewhere, but the prices look very similar to all of the decent parts of South Essex. Yes, there are a few above a million, but there are plenty of those in Southend alone!

Have I fallen asleep and woken in a parallel universe? £300k is affordable? I think more in terms of a youngish couple with so-so jobs with a joint income of probably £30k. So "affordable" is £150k. And as a young couple, they want to think of kids so they want an affordable HOUSE not a flat.
So if the development is for houses costing £150k for LOCAL families/couples/pot

ential families, I would be the first to support it.
But, somehow, I dont think the maths work out.

On rightmove at the moment there are 86 2 bed houses within 5 miles of Southend at £150,000 (or less). Where is the problem, we don't need any more. We need more 6 bedroom council properties for the unemployed single parent breeding machines.

Nebs wrote:

HadleighBoy wrote:

Nebs wrote: Luckily the roads never jammed up round here and will be able to cope with all these extra people, there is plenty of surplus capacity at local hospitals and doctors, we never have a problem with water shortages in the South East, and there are plenty of jobs for everyone that moves here. Whats the problem, build twice as many, just make sure they are ready in time for the Romanians who will be coming over next year/

So where in the UK is free from these problems? Most people who need assistance in affordable housing are the people that are working in low paid jobs. Unfortunaltey if you make them live somewhere else in the UK no one will be able to do the jobs that they do like cleaning, some nurses, manual labour etc then where will we be.

You'll have to pay more to your cleaner, so as they can afford to carry on working for you.

Can't afford one Mrs Hadleigh boy makes me do it!

You can be born in Hackney and live in east London and still be a snob

Firstly, Hadleigh and Dawes Heath IS a lovely little place when you get off the A13, officially a low crime area, little anti social behaviour etc, certainly better than Leigh and Benfleet in that respect.
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Secondly there already IS social housing in Hadleigh, plenty of Council owned properties around the town centre but this has not degraded the town. However, the last thing we need is loads more flats, there are already loads of flats empty and up for sale around Hadleigh because no-one wants flats. This is just about a Tory Council doing what the Govt wants and flats are the easiest solution to satisfy the quotas but they are not wanted or needed in Hadleigh.
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Thirdly, yes you are a snob Rayleigh Mum and what's it got to do with you anyway, you don't live in Castle Point or in Hadleigh do you.

GrumpyofLeigh wrote:

mys842 wrote: I also beg to differ with "It’s not young people coming here. There is no such thing in Hadleigh as affordable homes in Hadleigh and the only people who can move here are those who own a property in London which they can sell. " Take a look on Rightmove; there are plenty of houses below £300grand. Even 4 bed detached ones for 25ok. Not sure how much this person thinks property costs elsewhere, but the prices look very similar to all of the decent parts of South Essex. Yes, there are a few above a million, but there are plenty of those in Southend alone!

Have I fallen asleep and woken in a parallel universe? £300k is affordable? I think more in terms of a youngish couple with so-so jobs with a joint income of probably £30k. So "affordable" is £150k. And as a young couple, they want to think of kids so they want an affordable HOUSE not a flat. So if the development is for houses costing £150k for LOCAL families/couples/pot ential families, I would be the first to support it. But, somehow, I dont think the maths work out.

Based on your comment. Any reason why a "couple" planning a family couldnt have a child in an afforable 2 bed flat ?

or better still, put off having children until you can actually afford it ?

Just a thought. Many families do just fine in flats do they not ?

Have to giggle to myself about the bleating going on over these' 'social housing plans'. We councillors on the planning committees enjoy seeing and hearing local people moan.
Luckily most of us don't live anywhere near the green belt areas that are threatened and most of us have huge mortgages and outgoings so need the backhanders we receive from the property developers.
Over the years I could have financed a small country with the amount of cash I've been handed, not to mention the little house (5 bedrooms, two bathrooms) I recently acquired in Florida.
There is also the free holidays to the Caribbean (Antigua and Barbados are particularly nice at this time of year).

Local yachtsman wrote:
Firstly, Hadleigh and Dawes Heath IS a lovely little place when you get off the A13, officially a low crime area, little anti social behaviour etc, certainly better than Leigh and Benfleet in that respect.
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Secondly there already IS social housing in Hadleigh, plenty of Council owned properties around the town centre but this has not degraded the town. However, the last thing we need is loads more flats, there are already loads of flats empty and up for sale around Hadleigh because no-one wants flats. This is just about a Tory Council doing what the Govt wants and flats are the easiest solution to satisfy the quotas but they are not wanted or needed in Hadleigh.
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Thirdly, yes you are a snob Rayleigh Mum and what's it got to do with you anyway, you don't live in Castle Point or in Hadleigh do you.

Yes flats flats and more flats. You are so spot on it is a numbers game. This rotten Borough voted for 4 storey flats at Canvey Supply despite there are no flats anywhere in the area and none anywhere in the whole Borough 4 storeys high. When Mr Steve Rogers the employed Officer in charge of the Borough's development and supposed to consult residents was criticised on this at a Neighbourhood Meeting he said "there at the back of the development". Just shows how little Castle Point Council care about their residents concerns doesn't it?