Pet ripped to pieces by dog in front of owner

Echo: Anne Fotheringham with Jodie Maynard and her children Albie and Georgia Anne Fotheringham with Jodie Maynard and her children Albie and Georgia

A BELOVED little dog was ripped to pieces by another dog in front of her horrified owner and two small children.

Anne Fotheringham, 56, watched as her bichon frize had her stomach torn open by the snarling dog as she walked with a friend and her youngsters in Plumberow Mount, Hockley, on Tuesday afternoon.

Ten-year-old Sophie died on Tuesday morning following surgery on the terrible wounds inflicted by the Bulgarian mountain dog who had been in the mount with a teenage boy. 

Mrs Fotheringham and her friend Jodie Maynard desperately tried to fight off the attack dog, while protecting Miss Maynard’s children, ten-month-old Albie and four-year-old Georgia.

Devastated Mrs Fotheringham of Beckney Avenue, Hockley, “Before we could do anything his dog picked Sophie up and pulled her apart.

“She was ripped to pieces in front of the children. It was all over in seconds.

“There was nothing we could do. “We rushed her to a vet but she was so badly injured.”

The dog who attacked Sophie has since been destroyed by its owner.

An Essex Police spokesman said: “Police were called and when officers arrived the victim’s dog had been taken to a nearby vets. We identified the owner of the other dog which has been destroyed.

“Legislation under the Dangerous Dogs Act has been examined by officers and there will be no further police action.

“The victim was advised about further action she could take through the civil courts.”

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2:48pm Fri 26 Apr 13

John T Pharro says...

Another dog breed for hunting and another example of how dangerous they can be. Cue again the defenders of these breeds who refuse to accept how dangerous they can be and will never even accept all dogs should be on a lead and muzzled in public, especially large dogs originally bred to hunt. It just plain happens too often to let this continue.
Another dog breed for hunting and another example of how dangerous they can be. Cue again the defenders of these breeds who refuse to accept how dangerous they can be and will never even accept all dogs should be on a lead and muzzled in public, especially large dogs originally bred to hunt. It just plain happens too often to let this continue. John T Pharro
  • Score: 13

3:05pm Fri 26 Apr 13

marybelle says...

It is about time these idiots that take these dangerous dogs for a walk in any public place that all dogs are potentially dangerous especially the dogs that are bred for fighting, hunting etc.

Firstly all dogs should be muzzled in public and should be kept on a lead where children are playing.

Having been a ictim of a dog bite it is terrifying to be bitten.

If our criminal justice system continues to let us down perhaps a private prosecution for damages might help if some of the idiots might possibly be sued for £30,000 for damages losing their homes etc the message might get thro.
It is about time these idiots that take these dangerous dogs for a walk in any public place that all dogs are potentially dangerous especially the dogs that are bred for fighting, hunting etc. Firstly all dogs should be muzzled in public and should be kept on a lead where children are playing. Having been a ictim of a dog bite it is terrifying to be bitten. If our criminal justice system continues to let us down perhaps a private prosecution for damages might help if some of the idiots might possibly be sued for £30,000 for damages losing their homes etc the message might get thro. marybelle
  • Score: 8

4:01pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Sensible Man says...

A "Bulgarian Hunting Dog" - what the hell is that?? And why would anyone want such a thing??? What on earth is wrong with these "trophy" dog lovers??

I know I have read in the past that men with powerful cars / big or aggressive dogs are compensating for the small size of their own - ahem - "masculine" equipment.. Perhaps there is more to that theory than one might initially assume???

Staffies , Akitas , Huskies , "Bulgarian Hunting Dogs" - WHY?????? a tragedy that yet another small creature has been ripped apart by one more "trophy" creature. And what was the "owner" ding whislt this disgusting attack was going on????
A "Bulgarian Hunting Dog" - what the hell is that?? And why would anyone want such a thing??? What on earth is wrong with these "trophy" dog lovers?? I know I have read in the past that men with powerful cars / big or aggressive dogs are compensating for the small size of their own - ahem - "masculine" equipment.. Perhaps there is more to that theory than one might initially assume??? Staffies , Akitas , Huskies , "Bulgarian Hunting Dogs" - WHY?????? a tragedy that yet another small creature has been ripped apart by one more "trophy" creature. And what was the "owner" ding whislt this disgusting attack was going on???? Sensible Man
  • Score: 7

5:31pm Fri 26 Apr 13

emcee says...

Quote: “Legislation under the Dangerous Dogs Act has been examined by officers and there will be no further police action."
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And there is the problem. Unless owners are brought to account then other laws like compulsory muzzling in public needs to be implemented.
Enough is, now, enough.
Quote: “Legislation under the Dangerous Dogs Act has been examined by officers and there will be no further police action." - And there is the problem. Unless owners are brought to account then other laws like compulsory muzzling in public needs to be implemented. Enough is, now, enough. emcee
  • Score: 6

5:37pm Fri 26 Apr 13

pembury53 says...

Sensible Man wrote:
A "Bulgarian Hunting Dog" - what the hell is that?? And why would anyone want such a thing??? What on earth is wrong with these "trophy" dog lovers??

I know I have read in the past that men with powerful cars / big or aggressive dogs are compensating for the small size of their own - ahem - "masculine" equipment.. Perhaps there is more to that theory than one might initially assume???

Staffies , Akitas , Huskies , "Bulgarian Hunting Dogs" - WHY?????? a tragedy that yet another small creature has been ripped apart by one more "trophy" creature. And what was the "owner" ding whislt this disgusting attack was going on????
Yep, didn't take long did it ? Not a 'staffie' this time but another killing machine all the same..... The governments inaction over this, allowing people, mostly kids, and harmless pets to be savaged on a depressingly regular basis is a disgraceful dereliction of duty .... carry a knife and prison awaits..... which is the more dangerous ?
[quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: A "Bulgarian Hunting Dog" - what the hell is that?? And why would anyone want such a thing??? What on earth is wrong with these "trophy" dog lovers?? I know I have read in the past that men with powerful cars / big or aggressive dogs are compensating for the small size of their own - ahem - "masculine" equipment.. Perhaps there is more to that theory than one might initially assume??? Staffies , Akitas , Huskies , "Bulgarian Hunting Dogs" - WHY?????? a tragedy that yet another small creature has been ripped apart by one more "trophy" creature. And what was the "owner" ding whislt this disgusting attack was going on????[/p][/quote]Yep, didn't take long did it ? Not a 'staffie' this time but another killing machine all the same..... The governments inaction over this, allowing people, mostly kids, and harmless pets to be savaged on a depressingly regular basis is a disgraceful dereliction of duty .... carry a knife and prison awaits..... which is the more dangerous ? pembury53
  • Score: 3

5:59pm Fri 26 Apr 13

John T Pharro says...

Sensible Man wrote:
A "Bulgarian Hunting Dog" - what the hell is that?? And why would anyone want such a thing??? What on earth is wrong with these "trophy" dog lovers??

I know I have read in the past that men with powerful cars / big or aggressive dogs are compensating for the small size of their own - ahem - "masculine" equipment.. Perhaps there is more to that theory than one might initially assume???

Staffies , Akitas , Huskies , "Bulgarian Hunting Dogs" - WHY?????? a tragedy that yet another small creature has been ripped apart by one more "trophy" creature. And what was the "owner" ding whislt this disgusting attack was going on????
Exactly what too many of those that own these dogs. Always assuming that their dog will never anything.
[quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: A "Bulgarian Hunting Dog" - what the hell is that?? And why would anyone want such a thing??? What on earth is wrong with these "trophy" dog lovers?? I know I have read in the past that men with powerful cars / big or aggressive dogs are compensating for the small size of their own - ahem - "masculine" equipment.. Perhaps there is more to that theory than one might initially assume??? Staffies , Akitas , Huskies , "Bulgarian Hunting Dogs" - WHY?????? a tragedy that yet another small creature has been ripped apart by one more "trophy" creature. And what was the "owner" ding whislt this disgusting attack was going on????[/p][/quote]Exactly what too many of those that own these dogs. Always assuming that their dog will never anything. John T Pharro
  • Score: 1

6:02pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Joe Wildman-Clark says...

All dogs no matter how big or small should be muzzled in public at all times.

Prehaps set aside a fenced section of parks where they must remain muzzled but can be off lead.

What must be remembered is that it is not the dogs fault its the irresponsible and idiotic owners, actually could we not put the owners on a lead and muzzle them, clearly the dogs have a higher IQ...!
All dogs no matter how big or small should be muzzled in public at all times. Prehaps set aside a fenced section of parks where they must remain muzzled but can be off lead. What must be remembered is that it is not the dogs fault its the irresponsible and idiotic owners, actually could we not put the owners on a lead and muzzle them, clearly the dogs have a higher IQ...! Joe Wildman-Clark
  • Score: -5

8:25pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Bonsrec says...

My name is James and I am a close friend of the dogs owner,

Please understand that the way this news article has portrayed the events that took place between these two dogs, is completely fabricated to coddle the victim dogs owners.

The Bulgarian "hunting" dog was actually rescued from their previous owners abroad. The dog has been In hockley for the past 5 years has always been in a secure environment, the dog in fact managed to escape from the property. "the teenage boy" was not taking his dog for a leisurely stroll through the park without a lead or muzzle, but was in fact trying to return the dog.

Yes this vicious attack did happen, but this dog felt intimidated and theatened by so many humans trying to restrain it. And due to its large size, and it's nature, and the fact that the smaller dog was present,.. You know the rest.

The hunting dog isn't a trophy dog it was rescued so it could have a better life. The dog wasn't "destroyed", how this news article can use such a word p describe a friendship of mans best friend disgusts me.
My name is James and I am a close friend of the dogs owner, Please understand that the way this news article has portrayed the events that took place between these two dogs, is completely fabricated to coddle the victim dogs owners. The Bulgarian "hunting" dog was actually rescued from their previous owners abroad. The dog has been In hockley for the past 5 years has always been in a secure environment, the dog in fact managed to escape from the property. "the teenage boy" was not taking his dog for a leisurely stroll through the park without a lead or muzzle, but was in fact trying to return the dog. Yes this vicious attack did happen, but this dog felt intimidated and theatened by so many humans trying to restrain it. And due to its large size, and it's nature, and the fact that the smaller dog was present,.. You know the rest. The hunting dog isn't a trophy dog it was rescued so it could have a better life. The dog wasn't "destroyed", how this news article can use such a word p describe a friendship of mans best friend disgusts me. Bonsrec
  • Score: 3

8:58pm Fri 26 Apr 13

John T Pharro says...

Bonsrec wrote:
My name is James and I am a close friend of the dogs owner,

Please understand that the way this news article has portrayed the events that took place between these two dogs, is completely fabricated to coddle the victim dogs owners.

The Bulgarian "hunting" dog was actually rescued from their previous owners abroad. The dog has been In hockley for the past 5 years has always been in a secure environment, the dog in fact managed to escape from the property. "the teenage boy" was not taking his dog for a leisurely stroll through the park without a lead or muzzle, but was in fact trying to return the dog.

Yes this vicious attack did happen, but this dog felt intimidated and theatened by so many humans trying to restrain it. And due to its large size, and it's nature, and the fact that the smaller dog was present,.. You know the rest.

The hunting dog isn't a trophy dog it was rescued so it could have a better life. The dog wasn't "destroyed", how this news article can use such a word p describe a friendship of mans best friend disgusts me.
"Completely fabricated to coddle the victims dog's owners". Well I think I have heard everything now. All sympathy for the dog that attacked and it's owners. Not a shred of sympathy shown for the victims.
I despair.
[quote][p][bold]Bonsrec[/bold] wrote: My name is James and I am a close friend of the dogs owner, Please understand that the way this news article has portrayed the events that took place between these two dogs, is completely fabricated to coddle the victim dogs owners. The Bulgarian "hunting" dog was actually rescued from their previous owners abroad. The dog has been In hockley for the past 5 years has always been in a secure environment, the dog in fact managed to escape from the property. "the teenage boy" was not taking his dog for a leisurely stroll through the park without a lead or muzzle, but was in fact trying to return the dog. Yes this vicious attack did happen, but this dog felt intimidated and theatened by so many humans trying to restrain it. And due to its large size, and it's nature, and the fact that the smaller dog was present,.. You know the rest. The hunting dog isn't a trophy dog it was rescued so it could have a better life. The dog wasn't "destroyed", how this news article can use such a word p describe a friendship of mans best friend disgusts me.[/p][/quote]"Completely fabricated to coddle the victims dog's owners". Well I think I have heard everything now. All sympathy for the dog that attacked and it's owners. Not a shred of sympathy shown for the victims. I despair. John T Pharro
  • Score: 2

9:04pm Fri 26 Apr 13

marybelle says...

Bonsrec wrote:
My name is James and I am a close friend of the dogs owner,

Please understand that the way this news article has portrayed the events that took place between these two dogs, is completely fabricated to coddle the victim dogs owners.

The Bulgarian "hunting" dog was actually rescued from their previous owners abroad. The dog has been In hockley for the past 5 years has always been in a secure environment, the dog in fact managed to escape from the property. "the teenage boy" was not taking his dog for a leisurely stroll through the park without a lead or muzzle, but was in fact trying to return the dog.

Yes this vicious attack did happen, but this dog felt intimidated and theatened by so many humans trying to restrain it. And due to its large size, and it's nature, and the fact that the smaller dog was present,.. You know the rest.

The hunting dog isn't a trophy dog it was rescued so it could have a better life. The dog wasn't "destroyed", how this news article can use such a word p describe a friendship of mans best friend disgusts me.
Oh well it alright then all is forgiven!

The terrified people should Sue, Sue Sue.

Next time this ignorant family will rescue a Lion they feel sorry for!
[quote][p][bold]Bonsrec[/bold] wrote: My name is James and I am a close friend of the dogs owner, Please understand that the way this news article has portrayed the events that took place between these two dogs, is completely fabricated to coddle the victim dogs owners. The Bulgarian "hunting" dog was actually rescued from their previous owners abroad. The dog has been In hockley for the past 5 years has always been in a secure environment, the dog in fact managed to escape from the property. "the teenage boy" was not taking his dog for a leisurely stroll through the park without a lead or muzzle, but was in fact trying to return the dog. Yes this vicious attack did happen, but this dog felt intimidated and theatened by so many humans trying to restrain it. And due to its large size, and it's nature, and the fact that the smaller dog was present,.. You know the rest. The hunting dog isn't a trophy dog it was rescued so it could have a better life. The dog wasn't "destroyed", how this news article can use such a word p describe a friendship of mans best friend disgusts me.[/p][/quote]Oh well it alright then all is forgiven! The terrified people should Sue, Sue Sue. Next time this ignorant family will rescue a Lion they feel sorry for! marybelle
  • Score: 0

2:41am Sat 27 Apr 13

emcee says...

Bonsrec wrote:
My name is James and I am a close friend of the dogs owner,

Please understand that the way this news article has portrayed the events that took place between these two dogs, is completely fabricated to coddle the victim dogs owners.

The Bulgarian "hunting" dog was actually rescued from their previous owners abroad. The dog has been In hockley for the past 5 years has always been in a secure environment, the dog in fact managed to escape from the property. "the teenage boy" was not taking his dog for a leisurely stroll through the park without a lead or muzzle, but was in fact trying to return the dog.

Yes this vicious attack did happen, but this dog felt intimidated and theatened by so many humans trying to restrain it. And due to its large size, and it's nature, and the fact that the smaller dog was present,.. You know the rest.

The hunting dog isn't a trophy dog it was rescued so it could have a better life. The dog wasn't "destroyed", how this news article can use such a word p describe a friendship of mans best friend disgusts me.
How dare you come on here to defend a dangerous, out of control dog without even the slightest word of sympathy for the owners of the other dog that was killed.
Also, let us look at some facts:
1. This Bulgarian Hunting Dog, as you have said, "has always been in a secure environment". So, why did it need to be in a secure environment in the first place? Because it was a potential danger, perhaps?
2. This "secure environment" was not, evidently, secure enough. Owner was, therefore, at fault.
3. The teenager, it seems, was not in control of said dog otherwise it would have come when called and would not need chasing. This means the dog was untrained and a potential danger.
4. Intimidation and feeling threatened would not have even been a factor had the dog been trained (ref. point 3 above). The fact that it did kill, threatened, intimidated or otherwise, made it a volatile and, thus, a dangerous animal.
These are all facts, James.
And you can feel disgusted, that the this killer dog was "destroyed", all you like but this dog was, indeed, dangerous and out of control and the word "destroyed" is the correct terminology for killing a dangerous, out of control animal.
Oh, and finally, just for your information, there are thousands of dogs that need rescuing, including poodles, yorkshire terriers, chihuahuas and scruffy little mongrels. However, I do not suppose any of these portrayed the correct image for the "rescuers", did they?
[quote][p][bold]Bonsrec[/bold] wrote: My name is James and I am a close friend of the dogs owner, Please understand that the way this news article has portrayed the events that took place between these two dogs, is completely fabricated to coddle the victim dogs owners. The Bulgarian "hunting" dog was actually rescued from their previous owners abroad. The dog has been In hockley for the past 5 years has always been in a secure environment, the dog in fact managed to escape from the property. "the teenage boy" was not taking his dog for a leisurely stroll through the park without a lead or muzzle, but was in fact trying to return the dog. Yes this vicious attack did happen, but this dog felt intimidated and theatened by so many humans trying to restrain it. And due to its large size, and it's nature, and the fact that the smaller dog was present,.. You know the rest. The hunting dog isn't a trophy dog it was rescued so it could have a better life. The dog wasn't "destroyed", how this news article can use such a word p describe a friendship of mans best friend disgusts me.[/p][/quote]How dare you come on here to defend a dangerous, out of control dog without even the slightest word of sympathy for the owners of the other dog that was killed. Also, let us look at some facts: 1. This Bulgarian Hunting Dog, as you have said, "has always been in a secure environment". So, why did it need to be in a secure environment in the first place? Because it was a potential danger, perhaps? 2. This "secure environment" was not, evidently, secure enough. Owner was, therefore, at fault. 3. The teenager, it seems, was not in control of said dog otherwise it would have come when called and would not need chasing. This means the dog was untrained and a potential danger. 4. Intimidation and feeling threatened would not have even been a factor had the dog been trained (ref. point 3 above). The fact that it did kill, threatened, intimidated or otherwise, made it a volatile and, thus, a dangerous animal. These are all facts, James. And you can feel disgusted, that the this killer dog was "destroyed", all you like but this dog was, indeed, dangerous and out of control and the word "destroyed" is the correct terminology for killing a dangerous, out of control animal. Oh, and finally, just for your information, there are thousands of dogs that need rescuing, including poodles, yorkshire terriers, chihuahuas and scruffy little mongrels. However, I do not suppose any of these portrayed the correct image for the "rescuers", did they? emcee
  • Score: 7

10:17am Sat 27 Apr 13

Harris9 says...

There can be no sympathy for these dog owners. The dog has previously attacked at least two other dogs that I know of and I reported the attacks to the Police on both occasions but after inspecting the property they said everything was ok.
Don't blame the boy, he was trying to get the dog back. If the owner, or the Police had acted after the first attack the other two would never had happened. But they didn't so Mrs Fotheringham has to see her dog be ripped to pieces before something is done.
There can be no sympathy for these dog owners. The dog has previously attacked at least two other dogs that I know of and I reported the attacks to the Police on both occasions but after inspecting the property they said everything was ok. Don't blame the boy, he was trying to get the dog back. If the owner, or the Police had acted after the first attack the other two would never had happened. But they didn't so Mrs Fotheringham has to see her dog be ripped to pieces before something is done. Harris9
  • Score: 7

10:38am Sat 27 Apr 13

Kursaal76 says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Another dog breed for hunting and another example of how dangerous they can be. Cue again the defenders of these breeds who refuse to accept how dangerous they can be and will never even accept all dogs should be on a lead and muzzled in public, especially large dogs originally bred to hunt. It just plain happens too often to let this continue.
Think you need to do some research before you look an idiot! most dogs where bred for hunting!
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: Another dog breed for hunting and another example of how dangerous they can be. Cue again the defenders of these breeds who refuse to accept how dangerous they can be and will never even accept all dogs should be on a lead and muzzled in public, especially large dogs originally bred to hunt. It just plain happens too often to let this continue.[/p][/quote]Think you need to do some research before you look an idiot! most dogs where bred for hunting! Kursaal76
  • Score: 1

12:43pm Sat 27 Apr 13

SAXONS says...

Bonsrec:
Fact; My dog was attacked on a public path.
Fact: No owner or person was chasing said dog:
Fact; No apoligies or help towards vet bills offered or paid by Owner of Killer dog'
Fact:Owner did not even ask if my dog was dead or alive:When told of attack;
Fact; 17 year old boy was afraid of his dog.
Fact; Police told owners to secure the fence in November and to put a chain on door to stop dog escaping:

Dog lived next to a path which leads to two local schools. IT COULD HAVE BEEN A CHILD THAT WAS MAULED.
Bonsrec: Fact; My dog was attacked on a public path. Fact: No owner or person was chasing said dog: Fact; No apoligies or help towards vet bills offered or paid by Owner of Killer dog' Fact:Owner did not even ask if my dog was dead or alive:When told of attack; Fact; 17 year old boy was afraid of his dog. Fact; Police told owners to secure the fence in November and to put a chain on door to stop dog escaping: Dog lived next to a path which leads to two local schools. IT COULD HAVE BEEN A CHILD THAT WAS MAULED. SAXONS
  • Score: 9

3:50pm Sat 27 Apr 13

John T Pharro says...

Kursaal76 wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Another dog breed for hunting and another example of how dangerous they can be. Cue again the defenders of these breeds who refuse to accept how dangerous they can be and will never even accept all dogs should be on a lead and muzzled in public, especially large dogs originally bred to hunt. It just plain happens too often to let this continue.
Think you need to do some research before you look an idiot! most dogs where bred for hunting!
Think you're opinion is in a minority if you think I am an idiot. I referred to the SIZE of dog and some breeds that are bred to hunt sometimes bears. I also think all dogs should be on a lead in public and big dangerous dogs muzzled as well. Jack Russels are bred to hunt, but there is a damned difference between a bear and a rabbit or rat. Retrievers are breed to do what their name says to retrieve shot game.
Bet if you have a dog it isn't a retriever or spaniel.
[quote][p][bold]Kursaal76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: Another dog breed for hunting and another example of how dangerous they can be. Cue again the defenders of these breeds who refuse to accept how dangerous they can be and will never even accept all dogs should be on a lead and muzzled in public, especially large dogs originally bred to hunt. It just plain happens too often to let this continue.[/p][/quote]Think you need to do some research before you look an idiot! most dogs where bred for hunting![/p][/quote]Think you're opinion is in a minority if you think I am an idiot. I referred to the SIZE of dog and some breeds that are bred to hunt sometimes bears. I also think all dogs should be on a lead in public and big dangerous dogs muzzled as well. Jack Russels are bred to hunt, but there is a damned difference between a bear and a rabbit or rat. Retrievers are breed to do what their name says to retrieve shot game. Bet if you have a dog it isn't a retriever or spaniel. John T Pharro
  • Score: 2

3:52pm Sat 27 Apr 13

John T Pharro says...

SAXONS wrote:
Bonsrec:
Fact; My dog was attacked on a public path.
Fact: No owner or person was chasing said dog:
Fact; No apoligies or help towards vet bills offered or paid by Owner of Killer dog'
Fact:Owner did not even ask if my dog was dead or alive:When told of attack;
Fact; 17 year old boy was afraid of his dog.
Fact; Police told owners to secure the fence in November and to put a chain on door to stop dog escaping:

Dog lived next to a path which leads to two local schools. IT COULD HAVE BEEN A CHILD THAT WAS MAULED.
Fortunately like me, you have the sympathy of most posters.
Your last sentence is the thing I dread the most.
[quote][p][bold]SAXONS[/bold] wrote: Bonsrec: Fact; My dog was attacked on a public path. Fact: No owner or person was chasing said dog: Fact; No apoligies or help towards vet bills offered or paid by Owner of Killer dog' Fact:Owner did not even ask if my dog was dead or alive:When told of attack; Fact; 17 year old boy was afraid of his dog. Fact; Police told owners to secure the fence in November and to put a chain on door to stop dog escaping: Dog lived next to a path which leads to two local schools. IT COULD HAVE BEEN A CHILD THAT WAS MAULED.[/p][/quote]Fortunately like me, you have the sympathy of most posters. Your last sentence is the thing I dread the most. John T Pharro
  • Score: 3

8:59pm Sat 27 Apr 13

WestcliffWarrior says...

Lol!
Lol! WestcliffWarrior
  • Score: -3

5:21pm Sun 28 Apr 13

Kursaal76 says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Kursaal76 wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Another dog breed for hunting and another example of how dangerous they can be. Cue again the defenders of these breeds who refuse to accept how dangerous they can be and will never even accept all dogs should be on a lead and muzzled in public, especially large dogs originally bred to hunt. It just plain happens too often to let this continue.
Think you need to do some research before you look an idiot! most dogs where bred for hunting!
Think you're opinion is in a minority if you think I am an idiot. I referred to the SIZE of dog and some breeds that are bred to hunt sometimes bears. I also think all dogs should be on a lead in public and big dangerous dogs muzzled as well. Jack Russels are bred to hunt, but there is a damned difference between a bear and a rabbit or rat. Retrievers are breed to do what their name says to retrieve shot game.
Bet if you have a dog it isn't a retriever or spaniel.
no i have a staffie but he was brought up right! he has been trained and is never of the lead. even in my place he has a collar on. although he is soft i would never trust him off the lead and that goes for any dog i own. even my boxer
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kursaal76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: Another dog breed for hunting and another example of how dangerous they can be. Cue again the defenders of these breeds who refuse to accept how dangerous they can be and will never even accept all dogs should be on a lead and muzzled in public, especially large dogs originally bred to hunt. It just plain happens too often to let this continue.[/p][/quote]Think you need to do some research before you look an idiot! most dogs where bred for hunting![/p][/quote]Think you're opinion is in a minority if you think I am an idiot. I referred to the SIZE of dog and some breeds that are bred to hunt sometimes bears. I also think all dogs should be on a lead in public and big dangerous dogs muzzled as well. Jack Russels are bred to hunt, but there is a damned difference between a bear and a rabbit or rat. Retrievers are breed to do what their name says to retrieve shot game. Bet if you have a dog it isn't a retriever or spaniel.[/p][/quote]no i have a staffie but he was brought up right! he has been trained and is never of the lead. even in my place he has a collar on. although he is soft i would never trust him off the lead and that goes for any dog i own. even my boxer Kursaal76
  • Score: 0

10:30am Mon 29 Apr 13

Pinker2012 says...

I'm amazed at the ignorance of some of you hysterical people. Where does it say the dog was a hunting dog? It was actually a Bulgarian Mountain Dog, which is a sheepdog! The reporter in her laziness misquoted Wikipedia. Any dog should defend its owner, and mountain dogs defend their flock, whether they are sheep or human. So get your facts right. I know the owner of this dog very well, the dog was rescued in a terrible state years ago and lived happily in a very large house and garden with a normal,family, not a load of chavs as you're all implying. And Antonius you should be ashamed of yourself. Are you one of those animal liberation cyber weirdos who mouths off online but isn't brave enough in the real world?
I'm amazed at the ignorance of some of you hysterical people. Where does it say the dog was a hunting dog? It was actually a Bulgarian Mountain Dog, which is a sheepdog! The reporter in her laziness misquoted Wikipedia. Any dog should defend its owner, and mountain dogs defend their flock, whether they are sheep or human. So get your facts right. I know the owner of this dog very well, the dog was rescued in a terrible state years ago and lived happily in a very large house and garden with a normal,family, not a load of chavs as you're all implying. And Antonius you should be ashamed of yourself. Are you one of those animal liberation cyber weirdos who mouths off online but isn't brave enough in the real world? Pinker2012
  • Score: 4

11:04am Mon 29 Apr 13

Fairness91 says...

Ok so all your comments are actually making me feel sick. I have the utmost sympathy for the victim dog as I too have lost mans best friend due to unforeseen circumstances.
The big dog in question was a Karacachan. A very large Bulgarian Mountain dog. These dogs are known for their shepharding skills and loyal nature when appropriately trained. This particular dog was found in Bulgaria and she was tied to a fence with barbed wire. Now all you nasty people answer me this - You're on holiday with your children. You come across a beautiful creature, attached to a fence by barbed wire. The poor thing is starved nearly to death. You have enough money to get the dog, pay vets bills, even go to a therapist to give this poor creature a chance. Eventually you give in, knowing that whatever you do for the dog, it will be better than staying there starving and being beaten.
So you get it home after thousands of pounds are spent and after many months in quarantine. You introduce her to your own Jack Russell, and they get along great after the initial shock of her meeting another dog.
FACT: The dog was in a secure environment because ALL DOGS MUST BE KEPT IN A SECURE ENVIRONMENT.
FACT: Owners son WAS chasing dog but you may of noticed that DOGS RUN VERY FAST.
FACT: Help was not offered due to the rudeness of the owner of the victims dog, they were very verbally abusive and did NOT stop to ask what had happened.
FACT: Boy was not scared of his dog. IF THAT WAS THE CASE THEN HE WOULDN'T OF GRABBED HER.
FACT: THIS FAMILY HAS HAD TO LOSE A DOG THAT THEY LOVED DEARLY, TO THE POINT WHERE THEY SPENT THOUSANDS OF POUNDS ON THE CARE OF SAID DOG.
FACT: This incident, as tragic as it was, was an ACCIDENT. Google the definition if you're going to argue with me.
FACT: Victims dog was off it's lead.
How dare you, as supposedly 'FAIR' humans beings, attack this wonderful family for caring for this poor creature.
How dare you, as human beings, not understand that dogs do sometimes attack smaller creatures (cats, foxes, rats etc.)

Quite frankly, I think you all sound like petty schoolchildren, making empty threats and hurling abuse at this family who have taken in a disturbed creature and helped with her in any way they could. The children loved the big girl. she was fantastic. My baby girl is 3 months old and she loved her too. Maybe if the dog was on a lead then things would be different.


I would have more sympathy for the victim dogs owner but they are nasty and abusive and so I will not give them the time of day. Maybe things would be settled like adults if they stop all the abuse.
Ok so all your comments are actually making me feel sick. I have the utmost sympathy for the victim dog as I too have lost mans best friend due to unforeseen circumstances. The big dog in question was a Karacachan. A very large Bulgarian Mountain dog. These dogs are known for their shepharding skills and loyal nature when appropriately trained. This particular dog was found in Bulgaria and she was tied to a fence with barbed wire. Now all you nasty people answer me this - You're on holiday with your children. You come across a beautiful creature, attached to a fence by barbed wire. The poor thing is starved nearly to death. You have enough money to get the dog, pay vets bills, even go to a therapist to give this poor creature a chance. Eventually you give in, knowing that whatever you do for the dog, it will be better than staying there starving and being beaten. So you get it home after thousands of pounds are spent and after many months in quarantine. You introduce her to your own Jack Russell, and they get along great after the initial shock of her meeting another dog. FACT: The dog was in a secure environment because ALL DOGS MUST BE KEPT IN A SECURE ENVIRONMENT. FACT: Owners son WAS chasing dog but you may of noticed that DOGS RUN VERY FAST. FACT: Help was not offered due to the rudeness of the owner of the victims dog, they were very verbally abusive and did NOT stop to ask what had happened. FACT: Boy was not scared of his dog. IF THAT WAS THE CASE THEN HE WOULDN'T OF GRABBED HER. FACT: THIS FAMILY HAS HAD TO LOSE A DOG THAT THEY LOVED DEARLY, TO THE POINT WHERE THEY SPENT THOUSANDS OF POUNDS ON THE CARE OF SAID DOG. FACT: This incident, as tragic as it was, was an ACCIDENT. Google the definition if you're going to argue with me. FACT: Victims dog was off it's lead. How dare you, as supposedly 'FAIR' humans beings, attack this wonderful family for caring for this poor creature. How dare you, as human beings, not understand that dogs do sometimes attack smaller creatures (cats, foxes, rats etc.) Quite frankly, I think you all sound like petty schoolchildren, making empty threats and hurling abuse at this family who have taken in a disturbed creature and helped with her in any way they could. The children loved the big girl. she was fantastic. My baby girl is 3 months old and she loved her too. Maybe if the dog was on a lead then things would be different. I would have more sympathy for the victim dogs owner but they are nasty and abusive and so I will not give them the time of day. Maybe things would be settled like adults if they stop all the abuse. Fairness91
  • Score: 1

11:28am Mon 29 Apr 13

Willow Moores says...

People are so narrow minded! Yes the dog was a Bulgarian hunting dog, but does it occur to people this dog was also a family pet and the owners of this dog have done the correct and devastating thing of having the dog put to sleep. Any irresponsible dog owner would have protested and fought against doing such a thing!!
It is extremely sad - but as an owner of two beautiful dogs myself you cannot trust animals 100% the same as humans, anything could make the most well behaved dog turn and I think the family of the Bulgarian dog deserve to be cut some slack after taking the necessary actions they did so quickly after the event - they have lost their family pet and are also receiving nasty comments and abuse - does it occur to people they will also feel guilty that the other family have lost their pet??
It is a sad, sad thing that happened but people need to look at all angles before taking a nasty one sided stance on things.
My thoughts are with both families
People are so narrow minded! Yes the dog was a Bulgarian hunting dog, but does it occur to people this dog was also a family pet and the owners of this dog have done the correct and devastating thing of having the dog put to sleep. Any irresponsible dog owner would have protested and fought against doing such a thing!! It is extremely sad - but as an owner of two beautiful dogs myself you cannot trust animals 100% the same as humans, anything could make the most well behaved dog turn and I think the family of the Bulgarian dog deserve to be cut some slack after taking the necessary actions they did so quickly after the event - they have lost their family pet and are also receiving nasty comments and abuse - does it occur to people they will also feel guilty that the other family have lost their pet?? It is a sad, sad thing that happened but people need to look at all angles before taking a nasty one sided stance on things. My thoughts are with both families Willow Moores
  • Score: 0

1:13pm Mon 29 Apr 13

John T Pharro says...

Fairness91 wrote:
Ok so all your comments are actually making me feel sick. I have the utmost sympathy for the victim dog as I too have lost mans best friend due to unforeseen circumstances.
The big dog in question was a Karacachan. A very large Bulgarian Mountain dog. These dogs are known for their shepharding skills and loyal nature when appropriately trained. This particular dog was found in Bulgaria and she was tied to a fence with barbed wire. Now all you nasty people answer me this - You're on holiday with your children. You come across a beautiful creature, attached to a fence by barbed wire. The poor thing is starved nearly to death. You have enough money to get the dog, pay vets bills, even go to a therapist to give this poor creature a chance. Eventually you give in, knowing that whatever you do for the dog, it will be better than staying there starving and being beaten.
So you get it home after thousands of pounds are spent and after many months in quarantine. You introduce her to your own Jack Russell, and they get along great after the initial shock of her meeting another dog.
FACT: The dog was in a secure environment because ALL DOGS MUST BE KEPT IN A SECURE ENVIRONMENT.
FACT: Owners son WAS chasing dog but you may of noticed that DOGS RUN VERY FAST.
FACT: Help was not offered due to the rudeness of the owner of the victims dog, they were very verbally abusive and did NOT stop to ask what had happened.
FACT: Boy was not scared of his dog. IF THAT WAS THE CASE THEN HE WOULDN'T OF GRABBED HER.
FACT: THIS FAMILY HAS HAD TO LOSE A DOG THAT THEY LOVED DEARLY, TO THE POINT WHERE THEY SPENT THOUSANDS OF POUNDS ON THE CARE OF SAID DOG.
FACT: This incident, as tragic as it was, was an ACCIDENT. Google the definition if you're going to argue with me.
FACT: Victims dog was off it's lead.
How dare you, as supposedly 'FAIR' humans beings, attack this wonderful family for caring for this poor creature.
How dare you, as human beings, not understand that dogs do sometimes attack smaller creatures (cats, foxes, rats etc.)

Quite frankly, I think you all sound like petty schoolchildren, making empty threats and hurling abuse at this family who have taken in a disturbed creature and helped with her in any way they could. The children loved the big girl. she was fantastic. My baby girl is 3 months old and she loved her too. Maybe if the dog was on a lead then things would be different.


I would have more sympathy for the victim dogs owner but they are nasty and abusive and so I will not give them the time of day. Maybe things would be settled like adults if they stop all the abuse.
As we now know it had attacked another dog before. Dogs do attack smaller animals including children. Can you seriously know that this dog wouldn't have done that?
So why don't you start a campaign to get all dogs on a lead in public and if large muzzled? That way the big dogs couldn't bite and the smaller ones could be pulled away. Don't try and deflect the blame by attacking the victims attitude. Say you are a dog lover you haven't even shown sympathy for the dog that was attacked and have the nerve to suggest the attack might not have happened if the dog was on a lead. It might have gone after a child, but of course you are certain it wouldn't.
[quote][p][bold]Fairness91[/bold] wrote: Ok so all your comments are actually making me feel sick. I have the utmost sympathy for the victim dog as I too have lost mans best friend due to unforeseen circumstances. The big dog in question was a Karacachan. A very large Bulgarian Mountain dog. These dogs are known for their shepharding skills and loyal nature when appropriately trained. This particular dog was found in Bulgaria and she was tied to a fence with barbed wire. Now all you nasty people answer me this - You're on holiday with your children. You come across a beautiful creature, attached to a fence by barbed wire. The poor thing is starved nearly to death. You have enough money to get the dog, pay vets bills, even go to a therapist to give this poor creature a chance. Eventually you give in, knowing that whatever you do for the dog, it will be better than staying there starving and being beaten. So you get it home after thousands of pounds are spent and after many months in quarantine. You introduce her to your own Jack Russell, and they get along great after the initial shock of her meeting another dog. FACT: The dog was in a secure environment because ALL DOGS MUST BE KEPT IN A SECURE ENVIRONMENT. FACT: Owners son WAS chasing dog but you may of noticed that DOGS RUN VERY FAST. FACT: Help was not offered due to the rudeness of the owner of the victims dog, they were very verbally abusive and did NOT stop to ask what had happened. FACT: Boy was not scared of his dog. IF THAT WAS THE CASE THEN HE WOULDN'T OF GRABBED HER. FACT: THIS FAMILY HAS HAD TO LOSE A DOG THAT THEY LOVED DEARLY, TO THE POINT WHERE THEY SPENT THOUSANDS OF POUNDS ON THE CARE OF SAID DOG. FACT: This incident, as tragic as it was, was an ACCIDENT. Google the definition if you're going to argue with me. FACT: Victims dog was off it's lead. How dare you, as supposedly 'FAIR' humans beings, attack this wonderful family for caring for this poor creature. How dare you, as human beings, not understand that dogs do sometimes attack smaller creatures (cats, foxes, rats etc.) Quite frankly, I think you all sound like petty schoolchildren, making empty threats and hurling abuse at this family who have taken in a disturbed creature and helped with her in any way they could. The children loved the big girl. she was fantastic. My baby girl is 3 months old and she loved her too. Maybe if the dog was on a lead then things would be different. I would have more sympathy for the victim dogs owner but they are nasty and abusive and so I will not give them the time of day. Maybe things would be settled like adults if they stop all the abuse.[/p][/quote]As we now know it had attacked another dog before. Dogs do attack smaller animals including children. Can you seriously know that this dog wouldn't have done that? So why don't you start a campaign to get all dogs on a lead in public and if large muzzled? That way the big dogs couldn't bite and the smaller ones could be pulled away. Don't try and deflect the blame by attacking the victims attitude. Say you are a dog lover you haven't even shown sympathy for the dog that was attacked and have the nerve to suggest the attack might not have happened if the dog was on a lead. It might have gone after a child, but of course you are certain it wouldn't. John T Pharro
  • Score: 2

2:07pm Mon 29 Apr 13

Salad fingers says...

If the dog was "unsuitable" it wouldn't have been allowed to enter the UK in the first place. The dog didn't attack any humans, and who was there to witness the attack? How do you know the dead dog wasn't jumping around annoying the other dog to begin with? ALL little dogs are like that. The dog has since been put to sleep so what more can be done? It's a dog eat dog world.
If the dog was "unsuitable" it wouldn't have been allowed to enter the UK in the first place. The dog didn't attack any humans, and who was there to witness the attack? How do you know the dead dog wasn't jumping around annoying the other dog to begin with? ALL little dogs are like that. The dog has since been put to sleep so what more can be done? It's a dog eat dog world. Salad fingers
  • Score: 0

2:08pm Mon 29 Apr 13

Pinker2012 says...

Sensible Man wrote:
A "Bulgarian Hunting Dog" - what the hell is that?? And why would anyone want such a thing??? What on earth is wrong with these "trophy" dog lovers??

I know I have read in the past that men with powerful cars / big or aggressive dogs are compensating for the small size of their own - ahem - "masculine" equipment.. Perhaps there is more to that theory than one might initially assume???

Staffies , Akitas , Huskies , "Bulgarian Hunting Dogs" - WHY?????? a tragedy that yet another small creature has been ripped apart by one more "trophy" creature. And what was the "owner" ding whislt this disgusting attack was going on????
You absolute idiot. What a stupid and unintelligent thing to say. If you did have any intelligence you would research before you sit there in your beige slacks making comments. The dog was a Mountain Dog....not a hunting dog. She was rescued by a normal family, not as a result of penis envy. The fact that this tragedy has happened and you are talking about "equipment" shows what sort of person you are. You idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Sensible Man[/bold] wrote: A "Bulgarian Hunting Dog" - what the hell is that?? And why would anyone want such a thing??? What on earth is wrong with these "trophy" dog lovers?? I know I have read in the past that men with powerful cars / big or aggressive dogs are compensating for the small size of their own - ahem - "masculine" equipment.. Perhaps there is more to that theory than one might initially assume??? Staffies , Akitas , Huskies , "Bulgarian Hunting Dogs" - WHY?????? a tragedy that yet another small creature has been ripped apart by one more "trophy" creature. And what was the "owner" ding whislt this disgusting attack was going on????[/p][/quote]You absolute idiot. What a stupid and unintelligent thing to say. If you did have any intelligence you would research before you sit there in your beige slacks making comments. The dog was a Mountain Dog....not a hunting dog. She was rescued by a normal family, not as a result of penis envy. The fact that this tragedy has happened and you are talking about "equipment" shows what sort of person you are. You idiot. Pinker2012
  • Score: -1

2:44pm Mon 29 Apr 13

emcee says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Fairness91 wrote:
Ok so all your comments are actually making me feel sick. I have the utmost sympathy for the victim dog as I too have lost mans best friend due to unforeseen circumstances.
The big dog in question was a Karacachan. A very large Bulgarian Mountain dog. These dogs are known for their shepharding skills and loyal nature when appropriately trained. This particular dog was found in Bulgaria and she was tied to a fence with barbed wire. Now all you nasty people answer me this - You're on holiday with your children. You come across a beautiful creature, attached to a fence by barbed wire. The poor thing is starved nearly to death. You have enough money to get the dog, pay vets bills, even go to a therapist to give this poor creature a chance. Eventually you give in, knowing that whatever you do for the dog, it will be better than staying there starving and being beaten.
So you get it home after thousands of pounds are spent and after many months in quarantine. You introduce her to your own Jack Russell, and they get along great after the initial shock of her meeting another dog.
FACT: The dog was in a secure environment because ALL DOGS MUST BE KEPT IN A SECURE ENVIRONMENT.
FACT: Owners son WAS chasing dog but you may of noticed that DOGS RUN VERY FAST.
FACT: Help was not offered due to the rudeness of the owner of the victims dog, they were very verbally abusive and did NOT stop to ask what had happened.
FACT: Boy was not scared of his dog. IF THAT WAS THE CASE THEN HE WOULDN'T OF GRABBED HER.
FACT: THIS FAMILY HAS HAD TO LOSE A DOG THAT THEY LOVED DEARLY, TO THE POINT WHERE THEY SPENT THOUSANDS OF POUNDS ON THE CARE OF SAID DOG.
FACT: This incident, as tragic as it was, was an ACCIDENT. Google the definition if you're going to argue with me.
FACT: Victims dog was off it's lead.
How dare you, as supposedly 'FAIR' humans beings, attack this wonderful family for caring for this poor creature.
How dare you, as human beings, not understand that dogs do sometimes attack smaller creatures (cats, foxes, rats etc.)

Quite frankly, I think you all sound like petty schoolchildren, making empty threats and hurling abuse at this family who have taken in a disturbed creature and helped with her in any way they could. The children loved the big girl. she was fantastic. My baby girl is 3 months old and she loved her too. Maybe if the dog was on a lead then things would be different.


I would have more sympathy for the victim dogs owner but they are nasty and abusive and so I will not give them the time of day. Maybe things would be settled like adults if they stop all the abuse.
As we now know it had attacked another dog before. Dogs do attack smaller animals including children. Can you seriously know that this dog wouldn't have done that?
So why don't you start a campaign to get all dogs on a lead in public and if large muzzled? That way the big dogs couldn't bite and the smaller ones could be pulled away. Don't try and deflect the blame by attacking the victims attitude. Say you are a dog lover you haven't even shown sympathy for the dog that was attacked and have the nerve to suggest the attack might not have happened if the dog was on a lead. It might have gone after a child, but of course you are certain it wouldn't.
Absolutely. All dogs can be unpredictable but in this case it had attacked previously and, failing it being destroyed last time, the owners should, at the very least, have ensured EVERYTHING was secure enough to hold it and it should have been trained enough to come to heel IMMEDIATELY when called.
Either this dog was untrainable or the owners were dismissive of the dogs nature and/or too lazy to ensure safety of others. I fear it may have been a bit of each.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fairness91[/bold] wrote: Ok so all your comments are actually making me feel sick. I have the utmost sympathy for the victim dog as I too have lost mans best friend due to unforeseen circumstances. The big dog in question was a Karacachan. A very large Bulgarian Mountain dog. These dogs are known for their shepharding skills and loyal nature when appropriately trained. This particular dog was found in Bulgaria and she was tied to a fence with barbed wire. Now all you nasty people answer me this - You're on holiday with your children. You come across a beautiful creature, attached to a fence by barbed wire. The poor thing is starved nearly to death. You have enough money to get the dog, pay vets bills, even go to a therapist to give this poor creature a chance. Eventually you give in, knowing that whatever you do for the dog, it will be better than staying there starving and being beaten. So you get it home after thousands of pounds are spent and after many months in quarantine. You introduce her to your own Jack Russell, and they get along great after the initial shock of her meeting another dog. FACT: The dog was in a secure environment because ALL DOGS MUST BE KEPT IN A SECURE ENVIRONMENT. FACT: Owners son WAS chasing dog but you may of noticed that DOGS RUN VERY FAST. FACT: Help was not offered due to the rudeness of the owner of the victims dog, they were very verbally abusive and did NOT stop to ask what had happened. FACT: Boy was not scared of his dog. IF THAT WAS THE CASE THEN HE WOULDN'T OF GRABBED HER. FACT: THIS FAMILY HAS HAD TO LOSE A DOG THAT THEY LOVED DEARLY, TO THE POINT WHERE THEY SPENT THOUSANDS OF POUNDS ON THE CARE OF SAID DOG. FACT: This incident, as tragic as it was, was an ACCIDENT. Google the definition if you're going to argue with me. FACT: Victims dog was off it's lead. How dare you, as supposedly 'FAIR' humans beings, attack this wonderful family for caring for this poor creature. How dare you, as human beings, not understand that dogs do sometimes attack smaller creatures (cats, foxes, rats etc.) Quite frankly, I think you all sound like petty schoolchildren, making empty threats and hurling abuse at this family who have taken in a disturbed creature and helped with her in any way they could. The children loved the big girl. she was fantastic. My baby girl is 3 months old and she loved her too. Maybe if the dog was on a lead then things would be different. I would have more sympathy for the victim dogs owner but they are nasty and abusive and so I will not give them the time of day. Maybe things would be settled like adults if they stop all the abuse.[/p][/quote]As we now know it had attacked another dog before. Dogs do attack smaller animals including children. Can you seriously know that this dog wouldn't have done that? So why don't you start a campaign to get all dogs on a lead in public and if large muzzled? That way the big dogs couldn't bite and the smaller ones could be pulled away. Don't try and deflect the blame by attacking the victims attitude. Say you are a dog lover you haven't even shown sympathy for the dog that was attacked and have the nerve to suggest the attack might not have happened if the dog was on a lead. It might have gone after a child, but of course you are certain it wouldn't.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. All dogs can be unpredictable but in this case it had attacked previously and, failing it being destroyed last time, the owners should, at the very least, have ensured EVERYTHING was secure enough to hold it and it should have been trained enough to come to heel IMMEDIATELY when called. Either this dog was untrainable or the owners were dismissive of the dogs nature and/or too lazy to ensure safety of others. I fear it may have been a bit of each. emcee
  • Score: 1

2:56pm Mon 29 Apr 13

Fairness91 says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Fairness91 wrote:
Ok so all your comments are actually making me feel sick. I have the utmost sympathy for the victim dog as I too have lost mans best friend due to unforeseen circumstances.
The big dog in question was a Karacachan. A very large Bulgarian Mountain dog. These dogs are known for their shepharding skills and loyal nature when appropriately trained. This particular dog was found in Bulgaria and she was tied to a fence with barbed wire. Now all you nasty people answer me this - You're on holiday with your children. You come across a beautiful creature, attached to a fence by barbed wire. The poor thing is starved nearly to death. You have enough money to get the dog, pay vets bills, even go to a therapist to give this poor creature a chance. Eventually you give in, knowing that whatever you do for the dog, it will be better than staying there starving and being beaten.
So you get it home after thousands of pounds are spent and after many months in quarantine. You introduce her to your own Jack Russell, and they get along great after the initial shock of her meeting another dog.
FACT: The dog was in a secure environment because ALL DOGS MUST BE KEPT IN A SECURE ENVIRONMENT.
FACT: Owners son WAS chasing dog but you may of noticed that DOGS RUN VERY FAST.
FACT: Help was not offered due to the rudeness of the owner of the victims dog, they were very verbally abusive and did NOT stop to ask what had happened.
FACT: Boy was not scared of his dog. IF THAT WAS THE CASE THEN HE WOULDN'T OF GRABBED HER.
FACT: THIS FAMILY HAS HAD TO LOSE A DOG THAT THEY LOVED DEARLY, TO THE POINT WHERE THEY SPENT THOUSANDS OF POUNDS ON THE CARE OF SAID DOG.
FACT: This incident, as tragic as it was, was an ACCIDENT. Google the definition if you're going to argue with me.
FACT: Victims dog was off it's lead.
How dare you, as supposedly 'FAIR' humans beings, attack this wonderful family for caring for this poor creature.
How dare you, as human beings, not understand that dogs do sometimes attack smaller creatures (cats, foxes, rats etc.)

Quite frankly, I think you all sound like petty schoolchildren, making empty threats and hurling abuse at this family who have taken in a disturbed creature and helped with her in any way they could. The children loved the big girl. she was fantastic. My baby girl is 3 months old and she loved her too. Maybe if the dog was on a lead then things would be different.


I would have more sympathy for the victim dogs owner but they are nasty and abusive and so I will not give them the time of day. Maybe things would be settled like adults if they stop all the abuse.
As we now know it had attacked another dog before. Dogs do attack smaller animals including children. Can you seriously know that this dog wouldn't have done that?
So why don't you start a campaign to get all dogs on a lead in public and if large muzzled? That way the big dogs couldn't bite and the smaller ones could be pulled away. Don't try and deflect the blame by attacking the victims attitude. Say you are a dog lover you haven't even shown sympathy for the dog that was attacked and have the nerve to suggest the attack might not have happened if the dog was on a lead. It might have gone after a child, but of course you are certain it wouldn't.
Any dog can attack children when provoked. Why should the bigger ones be muzzled just because they have a bigger bite? All dogs should be muzzled. If the victims dog was bigger then maybe things would be different. But it wasn't. It was tiny in comparison. Therefore these events are unfortunately but not blameful. The small dog was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Can you seriously know that other dogs wouldn't do the same? Had the small dog killed a cat these things would not be said. So wind your neck in and read the facts I listed above. I maintain that the small dog could have survived had it been on a lead as it could of been pulled back. And I think you read it wrong. I said ' I have the utmost sympathy for the victim dog as I too have lost mans best friend due to unforeseen circumstances.'... I also said ' How dare you, as human beings, not understand that dogs do sometimes attack smaller creatures (cats, foxes, rats etc.) I didn't add children in there because it is a very, very rare occurrence. You are making yourself look silly by misreading what I have said. I think we should leave it there shall we?
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fairness91[/bold] wrote: Ok so all your comments are actually making me feel sick. I have the utmost sympathy for the victim dog as I too have lost mans best friend due to unforeseen circumstances. The big dog in question was a Karacachan. A very large Bulgarian Mountain dog. These dogs are known for their shepharding skills and loyal nature when appropriately trained. This particular dog was found in Bulgaria and she was tied to a fence with barbed wire. Now all you nasty people answer me this - You're on holiday with your children. You come across a beautiful creature, attached to a fence by barbed wire. The poor thing is starved nearly to death. You have enough money to get the dog, pay vets bills, even go to a therapist to give this poor creature a chance. Eventually you give in, knowing that whatever you do for the dog, it will be better than staying there starving and being beaten. So you get it home after thousands of pounds are spent and after many months in quarantine. You introduce her to your own Jack Russell, and they get along great after the initial shock of her meeting another dog. FACT: The dog was in a secure environment because ALL DOGS MUST BE KEPT IN A SECURE ENVIRONMENT. FACT: Owners son WAS chasing dog but you may of noticed that DOGS RUN VERY FAST. FACT: Help was not offered due to the rudeness of the owner of the victims dog, they were very verbally abusive and did NOT stop to ask what had happened. FACT: Boy was not scared of his dog. IF THAT WAS THE CASE THEN HE WOULDN'T OF GRABBED HER. FACT: THIS FAMILY HAS HAD TO LOSE A DOG THAT THEY LOVED DEARLY, TO THE POINT WHERE THEY SPENT THOUSANDS OF POUNDS ON THE CARE OF SAID DOG. FACT: This incident, as tragic as it was, was an ACCIDENT. Google the definition if you're going to argue with me. FACT: Victims dog was off it's lead. How dare you, as supposedly 'FAIR' humans beings, attack this wonderful family for caring for this poor creature. How dare you, as human beings, not understand that dogs do sometimes attack smaller creatures (cats, foxes, rats etc.) Quite frankly, I think you all sound like petty schoolchildren, making empty threats and hurling abuse at this family who have taken in a disturbed creature and helped with her in any way they could. The children loved the big girl. she was fantastic. My baby girl is 3 months old and she loved her too. Maybe if the dog was on a lead then things would be different. I would have more sympathy for the victim dogs owner but they are nasty and abusive and so I will not give them the time of day. Maybe things would be settled like adults if they stop all the abuse.[/p][/quote]As we now know it had attacked another dog before. Dogs do attack smaller animals including children. Can you seriously know that this dog wouldn't have done that? So why don't you start a campaign to get all dogs on a lead in public and if large muzzled? That way the big dogs couldn't bite and the smaller ones could be pulled away. Don't try and deflect the blame by attacking the victims attitude. Say you are a dog lover you haven't even shown sympathy for the dog that was attacked and have the nerve to suggest the attack might not have happened if the dog was on a lead. It might have gone after a child, but of course you are certain it wouldn't.[/p][/quote]Any dog can attack children when provoked. Why should the bigger ones be muzzled just because they have a bigger bite? All dogs should be muzzled. If the victims dog was bigger then maybe things would be different. But it wasn't. It was tiny in comparison. Therefore these events are unfortunately but not blameful. The small dog was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Can you seriously know that other dogs wouldn't do the same? Had the small dog killed a cat these things would not be said. So wind your neck in and read the facts I listed above. I maintain that the small dog could have survived had it been on a lead as it could of been pulled back. And I think you read it wrong. I said ' I have the utmost sympathy for the victim dog as I too have lost mans best friend due to unforeseen circumstances.'... I also said ' How dare you, as human beings, not understand that dogs do sometimes attack smaller creatures (cats, foxes, rats etc.) I didn't add children in there because it is a very, very rare occurrence. You are making yourself look silly by misreading what I have said. I think we should leave it there shall we? Fairness91
  • Score: -1

3:05pm Mon 29 Apr 13

Fairness91 says...

You people are too small minded too see the big picture. I've got better things to be doing with myself than arguing to incompetent people incapable of seeing things from another perspective, let alone through some comments on a website. This is my first and last time on here. Have you people got nothing better to do? Obviously not. Enjoy your little lives behind your little machines reading your little comments. I have a life. And I'm going to get a dog :) a big one.
You people are too small minded too see the big picture. I've got better things to be doing with myself than arguing to incompetent people incapable of seeing things from another perspective, let alone through some comments on a website. This is my first and last time on here. Have you people got nothing better to do? Obviously not. Enjoy your little lives behind your little machines reading your little comments. I have a life. And I'm going to get a dog :) a big one. Fairness91
  • Score: -2

3:59pm Mon 29 Apr 13

emcee says...

Fairness91 wrote:
You people are too small minded too see the big picture. I've got better things to be doing with myself than arguing to incompetent people incapable of seeing things from another perspective, let alone through some comments on a website. This is my first and last time on here. Have you people got nothing better to do? Obviously not. Enjoy your little lives behind your little machines reading your little comments. I have a life. And I'm going to get a dog :) a big one.
Small minded and incompetent? Just for having a point of view? Namecalling is a trait of someone who has no argument.
Also, it seems, it is you who are unable to see the bigger picture or see things from another perspective...that of the victim(s)/potential victims.
Oh, and erm...goodbye.
[quote][p][bold]Fairness91[/bold] wrote: You people are too small minded too see the big picture. I've got better things to be doing with myself than arguing to incompetent people incapable of seeing things from another perspective, let alone through some comments on a website. This is my first and last time on here. Have you people got nothing better to do? Obviously not. Enjoy your little lives behind your little machines reading your little comments. I have a life. And I'm going to get a dog :) a big one.[/p][/quote]Small minded and incompetent? Just for having a point of view? Namecalling is a trait of someone who has no argument. Also, it seems, it is you who are unable to see the bigger picture or see things from another perspective...that of the victim(s)/potential victims. Oh, and erm...goodbye. emcee
  • Score: 1

5:27pm Mon 29 Apr 13

Missymastiff says...

I personally know the family of the Bulgarian mountain dog... I feel I too must comment as I can't bear to read such tosh.... Firstly Genie, was a beautiful family pet. the family, whilst on holiday, found her abandoned and left for dead, tied up with barbed wire... She was not vicious.. Had she been they would not have approached her... She was in desperate need of a caring home... They spent thousands of pounds having her carefully nursed back to health and safely bought home to Britain... Here she blended in well and soon became a part of the family, bonding with their other ,VERY SMALL, dog...... This family has four children so the decision to bring her into their home was not one they undertook lightly...... Genie, was not a killer and lived happily in their secure environment, the environment where their children lived, where other families children came... She was no threat.... This was home..... Let's be very clear that she was NOT a trophy dog, she was not bred for hunting, she was just their baby... She was not trained to kill nor fed on blood, she wasn't involved in fighting and the family kept her safe. The family in question are a great family, not chavs looking to breed her for a quick buck, but the type of family who went over and above to save this beautiful animal. But genie was a big dog and tragically a bad thing happened and the family did the only thing they could... They had their pet put to sleep... Now let's remember that both families here have lost pets, both families are devastated .... No one wanted this to happen...... Genie had escaped, they hadn't let her out to look for a bichon frise .. Why wasn't the frise on a lead.... Had genie been leaded would the frise have yapped and barked, probably.... Had the frise been leaded the owners could have lifted her away... We can spend ll day asking what ifs and whys but the fact remains a big dog attacked a small dog in a horrific accident... And there lies the key word...ACCIDENT.... genies family have acted responsibly... Why then are they being targeted for abuse and anonymous threats.... How is that right?.... Sadly this story has been fabricated and twisted to make it appear that Genie was a killer waiting to pounce... That is NOT the case...... The family involved knew her, knew how to handle her, they knew how to look after her.... But this was an accident...
so before you all get on your high horses shouting the odds and whining about dangerous dogs, and screaming about things you clearly no nothing about..... Check the facts.... There's a lot here you dont know..... Abusive comments, threats, anonymous verbal attacks....... It's ville

And on the subject of large breeds, I myself have 2 mastiffs and i cannot tell you how many times small dogs have come over yapping and barking and snarling at my leaded dogs.... My dogs have not retaliated but I am continually amazed by the owners who still feel its my fault as I have the large dog ... It's ok for their dog to bite mine but if mine bit theirs, mine is labelled the killer...... Get the facts and stop making up rubbish
I personally know the family of the Bulgarian mountain dog... I feel I too must comment as I can't bear to read such tosh.... Firstly Genie, was a beautiful family pet. the family, whilst on holiday, found her abandoned and left for dead, tied up with barbed wire... She was not vicious.. Had she been they would not have approached her... She was in desperate need of a caring home... They spent thousands of pounds having her carefully nursed back to health and safely bought home to Britain... Here she blended in well and soon became a part of the family, bonding with their other ,VERY SMALL, dog...... This family has four children so the decision to bring her into their home was not one they undertook lightly...... Genie, was not a killer and lived happily in their secure environment, the environment where their children lived, where other families children came... She was no threat.... This was home..... Let's be very clear that she was NOT a trophy dog, she was not bred for hunting, she was just their baby... She was not trained to kill nor fed on blood, she wasn't involved in fighting and the family kept her safe. The family in question are a great family, not chavs looking to breed her for a quick buck, but the type of family who went over and above to save this beautiful animal. But genie was a big dog and tragically a bad thing happened and the family did the only thing they could... They had their pet put to sleep... Now let's remember that both families here have lost pets, both families are devastated .... No one wanted this to happen...... Genie had escaped, they hadn't let her out to look for a bichon frise .. Why wasn't the frise on a lead.... Had genie been leaded would the frise have yapped and barked, probably.... Had the frise been leaded the owners could have lifted her away... We can spend ll day asking what ifs and whys but the fact remains a big dog attacked a small dog in a horrific accident... And there lies the key word...ACCIDENT.... genies family have acted responsibly... Why then are they being targeted for abuse and anonymous threats.... How is that right?.... Sadly this story has been fabricated and twisted to make it appear that Genie was a killer waiting to pounce... That is NOT the case...... The family involved knew her, knew how to handle her, they knew how to look after her.... But this was an accident... so before you all get on your high horses shouting the odds and whining about dangerous dogs, and screaming about things you clearly no nothing about..... Check the facts.... There's a lot here you dont know..... Abusive comments, threats, anonymous verbal attacks....... It's ville And on the subject of large breeds, I myself have 2 mastiffs and i cannot tell you how many times small dogs have come over yapping and barking and snarling at my leaded dogs.... My dogs have not retaliated but I am continually amazed by the owners who still feel its my fault as I have the large dog ... It's ok for their dog to bite mine but if mine bit theirs, mine is labelled the killer...... Get the facts and stop making up rubbish Missymastiff
  • Score: 6

6:36pm Mon 29 Apr 13

elle1911 says...

What has happened is a very sad affair. I think people are forgetting that it is not just 1 owner and family who have lost a dog, a companion and a family member, BUT 2!! People are starting to jump on the band-wagon, and are being very, VERY unfair and unkind. NO ONE deserves this amount of abuse, harassment or unnecessary aggravation.
YES it is sad and everything that could be done has been. I do not see the need for all these NASTY comments. Imagine if it was you that this had happened to. I’m sure the majority of people on here wouldn’t want to hear these awful and unfair slanderous remarks. People need to grow up and stop acting in this horrendous manner.
This breed of dog was and are still used as ‘sheep dogs’ NOT hunting dogs as has so wrongly been written in the articles. This is the miswriting of the reporter who obviously has very poor research skills, questioning their ability as a journalist, if you can actually call them that. Due to their incapability to research and write this story has been written incorrectly and is therefore obviously swaying people’s views on this.
“Pet ripped to pieces by dog in front of owner” and “pulled her apart” these phrases used would make you think that there was missing limbs from the animal? Once again the use of language used here influences the thoughts of others. This has all created unnecessary drama, just for effect… Steering the readers away from the truth.
Would people make such a big deal of this if it were two dogs of the same breed in which this had ended? Probably not.
I think all these people writing these nasty posts seriously need to take a step back and think about the stress and upset that the family of Genie have gone through.
What has happened is a very sad affair. I think people are forgetting that it is not just 1 owner and family who have lost a dog, a companion and a family member, BUT 2!! People are starting to jump on the band-wagon, and are being very, VERY unfair and unkind. NO ONE deserves this amount of abuse, harassment or unnecessary aggravation. YES it is sad and everything that could be done has been. I do not see the need for all these NASTY comments. Imagine if it was you that this had happened to. I’m sure the majority of people on here wouldn’t want to hear these awful and unfair slanderous remarks. People need to grow up and stop acting in this horrendous manner. This breed of dog was and are still used as ‘sheep dogs’ NOT hunting dogs as has so wrongly been written in the articles. This is the miswriting of the reporter who obviously has very poor research skills, questioning their ability as a journalist, if you can actually call them that. Due to their incapability to research and write this story has been written incorrectly and is therefore obviously swaying people’s views on this. “Pet ripped to pieces by dog in front of owner” and “pulled her apart” these phrases used would make you think that there was missing limbs from the animal? Once again the use of language used here influences the thoughts of others. This has all created unnecessary drama, just for effect… Steering the readers away from the truth. Would people make such a big deal of this if it were two dogs of the same breed in which this had ended? Probably not. I think all these people writing these nasty posts seriously need to take a step back and think about the stress and upset that the family of Genie have gone through. elle1911
  • Score: 2

7:31pm Mon 29 Apr 13

dreamsweep says...

Two dogs died here, Two devastated owners, a tragic accident indeed.
I too am a dog owner. it would break my heart if anything happened to her and I feel for the owners of both dogs.

BUT... if you walk your dog off the lead you are RISKING THEM. It matters not where you are, you never know what is around the corner or how your dog will react OR if there is an escaped dog on the loose that perceives it as a threat (Any breed of dog can be vicious in certain circumstances, they are animals and therefore unpredictable). If it hadn't have been the other dog it could have been kids on a motorbike, or a runaway horse for example. You take your chances with a dog off the lead, the owners of the Bichon Frise need to accept that they are equally responsible, small dogs can be just as vicious if cornered and all dogs should be kept on the lead. If you check out the stories about children being attacked you will find it is very rarely big dogs, its more often the small breeds that owners overlook. The ECHO need to stop writing such inflamatory pieces and remember that journalism is about reporting the FACTS and not sensationalised rubbish.

Also, why is it that when a story like this breaks misguided people automatically think that the dog belongs to some 'chav' family who've beaten it to be vicious? It seems to me looking at the photo of the family that as far as irresponsibility goes the finger is being pointed in the wrong direction. Fancy putting pictures of your kids in the echo and making them relive the experience talking about it to prove your point! That in my humble opinion is a far more worrying. leave the kids out of it and let them mourn the dog like ALL the family members for both dogs involved in this sorry tale need to do.
Two dogs died here, Two devastated owners, a tragic accident indeed. I too am a dog owner. it would break my heart if anything happened to her and I feel for the owners of both dogs. BUT... if you walk your dog off the lead you are RISKING THEM. It matters not where you are, you never know what is around the corner or how your dog will react OR if there is an escaped dog on the loose that perceives it as a threat (Any breed of dog can be vicious in certain circumstances, they are animals and therefore unpredictable). If it hadn't have been the other dog it could have been kids on a motorbike, or a runaway horse for example. You take your chances with a dog off the lead, the owners of the Bichon Frise need to accept that they are equally responsible, small dogs can be just as vicious if cornered and all dogs should be kept on the lead. If you check out the stories about children being attacked you will find it is very rarely big dogs, its more often the small breeds that owners overlook. The ECHO need to stop writing such inflamatory pieces and remember that journalism is about reporting the FACTS and not sensationalised rubbish. Also, why is it that when a story like this breaks misguided people automatically think that the dog belongs to some 'chav' family who've beaten it to be vicious? It seems to me looking at the photo of the family that as far as irresponsibility goes the finger is being pointed in the wrong direction. Fancy putting pictures of your kids in the echo and making them relive the experience talking about it to prove your point! That in my humble opinion is a far more worrying. leave the kids out of it and let them mourn the dog like ALL the family members for both dogs involved in this sorry tale need to do. dreamsweep
  • Score: 0

8:44pm Mon 29 Apr 13

Harris9 says...

Missymastiff wrote:
I personally know the family of the Bulgarian mountain dog... I feel I too must comment as I can't bear to read such tosh.... Firstly Genie, was a beautiful family pet. the family, whilst on holiday, found her abandoned and left for dead, tied up with barbed wire... She was not vicious.. Had she been they would not have approached her... She was in desperate need of a caring home... They spent thousands of pounds having her carefully nursed back to health and safely bought home to Britain... Here she blended in well and soon became a part of the family, bonding with their other ,VERY SMALL, dog...... This family has four children so the decision to bring her into their home was not one they undertook lightly...... Genie, was not a killer and lived happily in their secure environment, the environment where their children lived, where other families children came... She was no threat.... This was home..... Let's be very clear that she was NOT a trophy dog, she was not bred for hunting, she was just their baby... She was not trained to kill nor fed on blood, she wasn't involved in fighting and the family kept her safe. The family in question are a great family, not chavs looking to breed her for a quick buck, but the type of family who went over and above to save this beautiful animal. But genie was a big dog and tragically a bad thing happened and the family did the only thing they could... They had their pet put to sleep... Now let's remember that both families here have lost pets, both families are devastated .... No one wanted this to happen...... Genie had escaped, they hadn't let her out to look for a bichon frise .. Why wasn't the frise on a lead.... Had genie been leaded would the frise have yapped and barked, probably.... Had the frise been leaded the owners could have lifted her away... We can spend ll day asking what ifs and whys but the fact remains a big dog attacked a small dog in a horrific accident... And there lies the key word...ACCIDENT.... genies family have acted responsibly... Why then are they being targeted for abuse and anonymous threats.... How is that right?.... Sadly this story has been fabricated and twisted to make it appear that Genie was a killer waiting to pounce... That is NOT the case...... The family involved knew her, knew how to handle her, they knew how to look after her.... But this was an accident...
so before you all get on your high horses shouting the odds and whining about dangerous dogs, and screaming about things you clearly no nothing about..... Check the facts.... There's a lot here you dont know..... Abusive comments, threats, anonymous verbal attacks....... It's ville

And on the subject of large breeds, I myself have 2 mastiffs and i cannot tell you how many times small dogs have come over yapping and barking and snarling at my leaded dogs.... My dogs have not retaliated but I am continually amazed by the owners who still feel its my fault as I have the large dog ... It's ok for their dog to bite mine but if mine bit theirs, mine is labelled the killer...... Get the facts and stop making up rubbish
Gets the facts? Could they not have acted after the first attack? Secure environment? How did she get out then? So you are blaming the small dog for not being on a lead? Pathetic. Read the other story about the previous attack. That dog was on a lead and far bigger than a Bichon Frise. Seems like your'e the one who needs to stop making up rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]Missymastiff[/bold] wrote: I personally know the family of the Bulgarian mountain dog... I feel I too must comment as I can't bear to read such tosh.... Firstly Genie, was a beautiful family pet. the family, whilst on holiday, found her abandoned and left for dead, tied up with barbed wire... She was not vicious.. Had she been they would not have approached her... She was in desperate need of a caring home... They spent thousands of pounds having her carefully nursed back to health and safely bought home to Britain... Here she blended in well and soon became a part of the family, bonding with their other ,VERY SMALL, dog...... This family has four children so the decision to bring her into their home was not one they undertook lightly...... Genie, was not a killer and lived happily in their secure environment, the environment where their children lived, where other families children came... She was no threat.... This was home..... Let's be very clear that she was NOT a trophy dog, she was not bred for hunting, she was just their baby... She was not trained to kill nor fed on blood, she wasn't involved in fighting and the family kept her safe. The family in question are a great family, not chavs looking to breed her for a quick buck, but the type of family who went over and above to save this beautiful animal. But genie was a big dog and tragically a bad thing happened and the family did the only thing they could... They had their pet put to sleep... Now let's remember that both families here have lost pets, both families are devastated .... No one wanted this to happen...... Genie had escaped, they hadn't let her out to look for a bichon frise .. Why wasn't the frise on a lead.... Had genie been leaded would the frise have yapped and barked, probably.... Had the frise been leaded the owners could have lifted her away... We can spend ll day asking what ifs and whys but the fact remains a big dog attacked a small dog in a horrific accident... And there lies the key word...ACCIDENT.... genies family have acted responsibly... Why then are they being targeted for abuse and anonymous threats.... How is that right?.... Sadly this story has been fabricated and twisted to make it appear that Genie was a killer waiting to pounce... That is NOT the case...... The family involved knew her, knew how to handle her, they knew how to look after her.... But this was an accident... so before you all get on your high horses shouting the odds and whining about dangerous dogs, and screaming about things you clearly no nothing about..... Check the facts.... There's a lot here you dont know..... Abusive comments, threats, anonymous verbal attacks....... It's ville And on the subject of large breeds, I myself have 2 mastiffs and i cannot tell you how many times small dogs have come over yapping and barking and snarling at my leaded dogs.... My dogs have not retaliated but I am continually amazed by the owners who still feel its my fault as I have the large dog ... It's ok for their dog to bite mine but if mine bit theirs, mine is labelled the killer...... Get the facts and stop making up rubbish[/p][/quote]Gets the facts? Could they not have acted after the first attack? Secure environment? How did she get out then? So you are blaming the small dog for not being on a lead? Pathetic. Read the other story about the previous attack. That dog was on a lead and far bigger than a Bichon Frise. Seems like your'e the one who needs to stop making up rubbish. Harris9
  • Score: 0

9:50pm Mon 29 Apr 13

Missymastiff says...

Harris9 wrote:
Missymastiff wrote:
I personally know the family of the Bulgarian mountain dog... I feel I too must comment as I can't bear to read such tosh.... Firstly Genie, was a beautiful family pet. the family, whilst on holiday, found her abandoned and left for dead, tied up with barbed wire... She was not vicious.. Had she been they would not have approached her... She was in desperate need of a caring home... They spent thousands of pounds having her carefully nursed back to health and safely bought home to Britain... Here she blended in well and soon became a part of the family, bonding with their other ,VERY SMALL, dog...... This family has four children so the decision to bring her into their home was not one they undertook lightly...... Genie, was not a killer and lived happily in their secure environment, the environment where their children lived, where other families children came... She was no threat.... This was home..... Let's be very clear that she was NOT a trophy dog, she was not bred for hunting, she was just their baby... She was not trained to kill nor fed on blood, she wasn't involved in fighting and the family kept her safe. The family in question are a great family, not chavs looking to breed her for a quick buck, but the type of family who went over and above to save this beautiful animal. But genie was a big dog and tragically a bad thing happened and the family did the only thing they could... They had their pet put to sleep... Now let's remember that both families here have lost pets, both families are devastated .... No one wanted this to happen...... Genie had escaped, they hadn't let her out to look for a bichon frise .. Why wasn't the frise on a lead.... Had genie been leaded would the frise have yapped and barked, probably.... Had the frise been leaded the owners could have lifted her away... We can spend ll day asking what ifs and whys but the fact remains a big dog attacked a small dog in a horrific accident... And there lies the key word...ACCIDENT.... genies family have acted responsibly... Why then are they being targeted for abuse and anonymous threats.... How is that right?.... Sadly this story has been fabricated and twisted to make it appear that Genie was a killer waiting to pounce... That is NOT the case...... The family involved knew her, knew how to handle her, they knew how to look after her.... But this was an accident...
so before you all get on your high horses shouting the odds and whining about dangerous dogs, and screaming about things you clearly no nothing about..... Check the facts.... There's a lot here you dont know..... Abusive comments, threats, anonymous verbal attacks....... It's ville

And on the subject of large breeds, I myself have 2 mastiffs and i cannot tell you how many times small dogs have come over yapping and barking and snarling at my leaded dogs.... My dogs have not retaliated but I am continually amazed by the owners who still feel its my fault as I have the large dog ... It's ok for their dog to bite mine but if mine bit theirs, mine is labelled the killer...... Get the facts and stop making up rubbish
Gets the facts? Could they not have acted after the first attack? Secure environment? How did she get out then? So you are blaming the small dog for not being on a lead? Pathetic. Read the other story about the previous attack. That dog was on a lead and far bigger than a Bichon Frise. Seems like your'e the one who needs to stop making up rubbish.
I'm trying not to blame anyone actually, but it seems that many
People are just seeing it from one point of view...... Where exactly is the rubbish I'm making up... All of my facts are actually true.... Unlike the echo, pulled apart, ripped to pieces.... The other attack isn't important now..Infact as two dogs are now dead is any of it really relevant now..... Why bring it all up..... What happened then was dealt with, then...not to be dealt with now...Now she's dead....the bichon frise is dead and 2 families are absolutely distraught.... Does it really help to bring up what happened previously... It's not going to help now is it?... .....maybe that's how you get your kicks from abusing people.. .. I personally think its disgusting..... Why not spend less time trying to blacken the name of the family or the dog and more time trying to see that accidents happen..... Yes some can be prevented, what a wonderful world that would be to live in, but it's not reality......and it's not helping now ?...and now one family is receiving anonymous threats, I'm sure you think that's probably ok too...... Maybe you should keep your stupid comments to yourself, but I doubt it....are you a dog owner? Do you have children?.. Have you ever had a thought for anyone but yourself.....all I'm saying is that there are 2 sides.....
[quote][p][bold]Harris9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Missymastiff[/bold] wrote: I personally know the family of the Bulgarian mountain dog... I feel I too must comment as I can't bear to read such tosh.... Firstly Genie, was a beautiful family pet. the family, whilst on holiday, found her abandoned and left for dead, tied up with barbed wire... She was not vicious.. Had she been they would not have approached her... She was in desperate need of a caring home... They spent thousands of pounds having her carefully nursed back to health and safely bought home to Britain... Here she blended in well and soon became a part of the family, bonding with their other ,VERY SMALL, dog...... This family has four children so the decision to bring her into their home was not one they undertook lightly...... Genie, was not a killer and lived happily in their secure environment, the environment where their children lived, where other families children came... She was no threat.... This was home..... Let's be very clear that she was NOT a trophy dog, she was not bred for hunting, she was just their baby... She was not trained to kill nor fed on blood, she wasn't involved in fighting and the family kept her safe. The family in question are a great family, not chavs looking to breed her for a quick buck, but the type of family who went over and above to save this beautiful animal. But genie was a big dog and tragically a bad thing happened and the family did the only thing they could... They had their pet put to sleep... Now let's remember that both families here have lost pets, both families are devastated .... No one wanted this to happen...... Genie had escaped, they hadn't let her out to look for a bichon frise .. Why wasn't the frise on a lead.... Had genie been leaded would the frise have yapped and barked, probably.... Had the frise been leaded the owners could have lifted her away... We can spend ll day asking what ifs and whys but the fact remains a big dog attacked a small dog in a horrific accident... And there lies the key word...ACCIDENT.... genies family have acted responsibly... Why then are they being targeted for abuse and anonymous threats.... How is that right?.... Sadly this story has been fabricated and twisted to make it appear that Genie was a killer waiting to pounce... That is NOT the case...... The family involved knew her, knew how to handle her, they knew how to look after her.... But this was an accident... so before you all get on your high horses shouting the odds and whining about dangerous dogs, and screaming about things you clearly no nothing about..... Check the facts.... There's a lot here you dont know..... Abusive comments, threats, anonymous verbal attacks....... It's ville And on the subject of large breeds, I myself have 2 mastiffs and i cannot tell you how many times small dogs have come over yapping and barking and snarling at my leaded dogs.... My dogs have not retaliated but I am continually amazed by the owners who still feel its my fault as I have the large dog ... It's ok for their dog to bite mine but if mine bit theirs, mine is labelled the killer...... Get the facts and stop making up rubbish[/p][/quote]Gets the facts? Could they not have acted after the first attack? Secure environment? How did she get out then? So you are blaming the small dog for not being on a lead? Pathetic. Read the other story about the previous attack. That dog was on a lead and far bigger than a Bichon Frise. Seems like your'e the one who needs to stop making up rubbish.[/p][/quote]I'm trying not to blame anyone actually, but it seems that many People are just seeing it from one point of view...... Where exactly is the rubbish I'm making up... All of my facts are actually true.... Unlike the echo, pulled apart, ripped to pieces.... The other attack isn't important now..Infact as two dogs are now dead is any of it really relevant now..... Why bring it all up..... What happened then was dealt with, then...not to be dealt with now...Now she's dead....the bichon frise is dead and 2 families are absolutely distraught.... Does it really help to bring up what happened previously... It's not going to help now is it?... .....maybe that's how you get your kicks from abusing people.. .. I personally think its disgusting..... Why not spend less time trying to blacken the name of the family or the dog and more time trying to see that accidents happen..... Yes some can be prevented, what a wonderful world that would be to live in, but it's not reality......and it's not helping now ?...and now one family is receiving anonymous threats, I'm sure you think that's probably ok too...... Maybe you should keep your stupid comments to yourself, but I doubt it....are you a dog owner? Do you have children?.. Have you ever had a thought for anyone but yourself.....all I'm saying is that there are 2 sides..... Missymastiff
  • Score: 1

10:21pm Mon 29 Apr 13

Harris9 says...

Well you accused others of making up rubbish. The secure environment you speak of obviously wasn't secure enough - that's pretty obvious. So you are talking rubbish.
The Frise had its bell;y ripped open. That's actually true so again you talk rubbish.
The previous attack is completely relevant - the dog should have been dealt with then, it was only a matter of time before it made the next attack.

Yes I do have a dog and do have children which is why I was obviously concerned that a dangerous animal was likely to be on the loose at any time.

The facts you are trying to ignore are the dog had previous violent history - the owners made no effort to enquire as to the welfare or even contribute to the vets bills of the other dog which was attacked- I don't think it needs anyone to blacken the name of the family - people can make their own judgements. And its difficult to blacken the name of the dog any further.

You may think my comments are stupid but they are factual - unlike yours which are just trying to hide the facts and cover up what actually happened. I didnt at any time abuse anyone. Maybe you should have read my post properly before you began your tirade.
Well you accused others of making up rubbish. The secure environment you speak of obviously wasn't secure enough - that's pretty obvious. So you are talking rubbish. The Frise had its bell;y ripped open. That's actually true so again you talk rubbish. The previous attack is completely relevant - the dog should have been dealt with then, it was only a matter of time before it made the next attack. Yes I do have a dog and do have children which is why I was obviously concerned that a dangerous animal was likely to be on the loose at any time. The facts you are trying to ignore are the dog had previous violent history - the owners made no effort to enquire as to the welfare or even contribute to the vets bills of the other dog which was attacked- I don't think it needs anyone to blacken the name of the family - people can make their own judgements. And its difficult to blacken the name of the dog any further. You may think my comments are stupid but they are factual - unlike yours which are just trying to hide the facts and cover up what actually happened. I didnt at any time abuse anyone. Maybe you should have read my post properly before you began your tirade. Harris9
  • Score: -1

10:45pm Mon 29 Apr 13

Pinker2012 says...

Harris9 wrote:
Well you accused others of making up rubbish. The secure environment you speak of obviously wasn't secure enough - that's pretty obvious. So you are talking rubbish.
The Frise had its bell;y ripped open. That's actually true so again you talk rubbish.
The previous attack is completely relevant - the dog should have been dealt with then, it was only a matter of time before it made the next attack.

Yes I do have a dog and do have children which is why I was obviously concerned that a dangerous animal was likely to be on the loose at any time.

The facts you are trying to ignore are the dog had previous violent history - the owners made no effort to enquire as to the welfare or even contribute to the vets bills of the other dog which was attacked- I don't think it needs anyone to blacken the name of the family - people can make their own judgements. And its difficult to blacken the name of the dog any further.

You may think my comments are stupid but they are factual - unlike yours which are just trying to hide the facts and cover up what actually happened. I didnt at any time abuse anyone. Maybe you should have read my post properly before you began your tirade.
For your information....THE DOG IN THE PREVIOUS ATTACK WAS NOT ON A LEAD AND THE ATTACK HAPPENED OUTSIDE THE OWNERS HOUSE. The owner offered to pay the excess of the insurance, until Saxons owner screamed at her daughter and accused her of bad parenting. Again, get your facts 100% right before typos start with your accusations.
[quote][p][bold]Harris9[/bold] wrote: Well you accused others of making up rubbish. The secure environment you speak of obviously wasn't secure enough - that's pretty obvious. So you are talking rubbish. The Frise had its bell;y ripped open. That's actually true so again you talk rubbish. The previous attack is completely relevant - the dog should have been dealt with then, it was only a matter of time before it made the next attack. Yes I do have a dog and do have children which is why I was obviously concerned that a dangerous animal was likely to be on the loose at any time. The facts you are trying to ignore are the dog had previous violent history - the owners made no effort to enquire as to the welfare or even contribute to the vets bills of the other dog which was attacked- I don't think it needs anyone to blacken the name of the family - people can make their own judgements. And its difficult to blacken the name of the dog any further. You may think my comments are stupid but they are factual - unlike yours which are just trying to hide the facts and cover up what actually happened. I didnt at any time abuse anyone. Maybe you should have read my post properly before you began your tirade.[/p][/quote]For your information....THE DOG IN THE PREVIOUS ATTACK WAS NOT ON A LEAD AND THE ATTACK HAPPENED OUTSIDE THE OWNERS HOUSE. The owner offered to pay the excess of the insurance, until Saxons owner screamed at her daughter and accused her of bad parenting. Again, get your facts 100% right before typos start with your accusations. Pinker2012
  • Score: 1

11:34pm Mon 29 Apr 13

Harris9 says...

You obviously heard this from the owner and beloved it. Did you think Saxons owner would be politely asking them round for tea? Of course he would be screaming his dog had been the victim of an unprovoked attack. Why are you screaming or is your caps lock key playing up?
You obviously heard this from the owner and beloved it. Did you think Saxons owner would be politely asking them round for tea? Of course he would be screaming his dog had been the victim of an unprovoked attack. Why are you screaming or is your caps lock key playing up? Harris9
  • Score: -2

7:57am Tue 30 Apr 13

Pinker2012 says...

Caps lock denotes shouting, not screaming. Speak to the police. Saxons owner was NOT on a lead. And the owners daughter received abuse not on the day of the attack, but some time after. You yourself are believing what you see on here.
Caps lock denotes shouting, not screaming. Speak to the police. Saxons owner was NOT on a lead. And the owners daughter received abuse not on the day of the attack, but some time after. You yourself are believing what you see on here. Pinker2012
  • Score: 0

9:14am Tue 30 Apr 13

Pinker2012 says...

SAXONS wrote:
Bonsrec:
Fact; My dog was attacked on a public path.
Fact: No owner or person was chasing said dog:
Fact; No apoligies or help towards vet bills offered or paid by Owner of Killer dog'
Fact:Owner did not even ask if my dog was dead or alive:When told of attack;
Fact; 17 year old boy was afraid of his dog.
Fact; Police told owners to secure the fence in November and to put a chain on door to stop dog escaping:

Dog lived next to a path which leads to two local schools. IT COULD HAVE BEEN A CHILD THAT WAS MAULED.
Sir. Fact: You tell outrageous mistruths. Fact:Your dog was indeed on a public path, outside the owners home, not wearing a lead. It was literally outside the owners home, therefore why would their dog be chased? Fact:The owner called to speak to you numerous times, apologised, entered into dialogue with you and offered to pay the excess of your insurance, but after receiving threats from your wife withdrew the offer. Fact: all of you who walk near the owners house would like to congregate at the bottom of her drive, with your dogs off their leads.
[quote][p][bold]SAXONS[/bold] wrote: Bonsrec: Fact; My dog was attacked on a public path. Fact: No owner or person was chasing said dog: Fact; No apoligies or help towards vet bills offered or paid by Owner of Killer dog' Fact:Owner did not even ask if my dog was dead or alive:When told of attack; Fact; 17 year old boy was afraid of his dog. Fact; Police told owners to secure the fence in November and to put a chain on door to stop dog escaping: Dog lived next to a path which leads to two local schools. IT COULD HAVE BEEN A CHILD THAT WAS MAULED.[/p][/quote]Sir. Fact: You tell outrageous mistruths. Fact:Your dog was indeed on a public path, outside the owners home, not wearing a lead. It was literally outside the owners home, therefore why would their dog be chased? Fact:The owner called to speak to you numerous times, apologised, entered into dialogue with you and offered to pay the excess of your insurance, but after receiving threats from your wife withdrew the offer. Fact: all of you who walk near the owners house would like to congregate at the bottom of her drive, with your dogs off their leads. Pinker2012
  • Score: 0

4:20pm Tue 30 Apr 13

The Cowboy says...

Who goes on holiday to Bulgaria?

Anyway, I hate dogs, so even if I saw one tied to a fence with its own tongue I'd walk on and ignore it. Spending thousands to bring home some mangey mutt from Eastern Europe, you must be mad.
Who goes on holiday to Bulgaria? Anyway, I hate dogs, so even if I saw one tied to a fence with its own tongue I'd walk on and ignore it. Spending thousands to bring home some mangey mutt from Eastern Europe, you must be mad. The Cowboy
  • Score: -1

4:47pm Tue 30 Apr 13

sapphire199 says...

Missymastiff wrote:
I personally know the family of the Bulgarian mountain dog... I feel I too must comment as I can't bear to read such tosh.... Firstly Genie, was a beautiful family pet. the family, whilst on holiday, found her abandoned and left for dead, tied up with barbed wire... She was not vicious.. Had she been they would not have approached her... She was in desperate need of a caring home... They spent thousands of pounds having her carefully nursed back to health and safely bought home to Britain... Here she blended in well and soon became a part of the family, bonding with their other ,VERY SMALL, dog...... This family has four children so the decision to bring her into their home was not one they undertook lightly...... Genie, was not a killer and lived happily in their secure environment, the environment where their children lived, where other families children came... She was no threat.... This was home..... Let's be very clear that she was NOT a trophy dog, she was not bred for hunting, she was just their baby... She was not trained to kill nor fed on blood, she wasn't involved in fighting and the family kept her safe. The family in question are a great family, not chavs looking to breed her for a quick buck, but the type of family who went over and above to save this beautiful animal. But genie was a big dog and tragically a bad thing happened and the family did the only thing they could... They had their pet put to sleep... Now let's remember that both families here have lost pets, both families are devastated .... No one wanted this to happen...... Genie had escaped, they hadn't let her out to look for a bichon frise .. Why wasn't the frise on a lead.... Had genie been leaded would the frise have yapped and barked, probably.... Had the frise been leaded the owners could have lifted her away... We can spend ll day asking what ifs and whys but the fact remains a big dog attacked a small dog in a horrific accident... And there lies the key word...ACCIDENT.... genies family have acted responsibly... Why then are they being targeted for abuse and anonymous threats.... How is that right?.... Sadly this story has been fabricated and twisted to make it appear that Genie was a killer waiting to pounce... That is NOT the case...... The family involved knew her, knew how to handle her, they knew how to look after her.... But this was an accident...
so before you all get on your high horses shouting the odds and whining about dangerous dogs, and screaming about things you clearly no nothing about..... Check the facts.... There's a lot here you dont know..... Abusive comments, threats, anonymous verbal attacks....... It's ville

And on the subject of large breeds, I myself have 2 mastiffs and i cannot tell you how many times small dogs have come over yapping and barking and snarling at my leaded dogs.... My dogs have not retaliated but I am continually amazed by the owners who still feel its my fault as I have the large dog ... It's ok for their dog to bite mine but if mine bit theirs, mine is labelled the killer...... Get the facts and stop making up rubbish
Well said. I too have a very large dog (crossbreed of great dane size) who is as gentle as can be, that got bitten by a bichon frise just over a week ago (and didn't retaliate). Resulted in a surgery and a VERY large vets bill. The responsibility did lie with both parties as both dogs were off lead, however not a single word was muttered by the other owner, not so much as an apology. You can bet if it was the other way round I would have got what for and then some!
[quote][p][bold]Missymastiff[/bold] wrote: I personally know the family of the Bulgarian mountain dog... I feel I too must comment as I can't bear to read such tosh.... Firstly Genie, was a beautiful family pet. the family, whilst on holiday, found her abandoned and left for dead, tied up with barbed wire... She was not vicious.. Had she been they would not have approached her... She was in desperate need of a caring home... They spent thousands of pounds having her carefully nursed back to health and safely bought home to Britain... Here she blended in well and soon became a part of the family, bonding with their other ,VERY SMALL, dog...... This family has four children so the decision to bring her into their home was not one they undertook lightly...... Genie, was not a killer and lived happily in their secure environment, the environment where their children lived, where other families children came... She was no threat.... This was home..... Let's be very clear that she was NOT a trophy dog, she was not bred for hunting, she was just their baby... She was not trained to kill nor fed on blood, she wasn't involved in fighting and the family kept her safe. The family in question are a great family, not chavs looking to breed her for a quick buck, but the type of family who went over and above to save this beautiful animal. But genie was a big dog and tragically a bad thing happened and the family did the only thing they could... They had their pet put to sleep... Now let's remember that both families here have lost pets, both families are devastated .... No one wanted this to happen...... Genie had escaped, they hadn't let her out to look for a bichon frise .. Why wasn't the frise on a lead.... Had genie been leaded would the frise have yapped and barked, probably.... Had the frise been leaded the owners could have lifted her away... We can spend ll day asking what ifs and whys but the fact remains a big dog attacked a small dog in a horrific accident... And there lies the key word...ACCIDENT.... genies family have acted responsibly... Why then are they being targeted for abuse and anonymous threats.... How is that right?.... Sadly this story has been fabricated and twisted to make it appear that Genie was a killer waiting to pounce... That is NOT the case...... The family involved knew her, knew how to handle her, they knew how to look after her.... But this was an accident... so before you all get on your high horses shouting the odds and whining about dangerous dogs, and screaming about things you clearly no nothing about..... Check the facts.... There's a lot here you dont know..... Abusive comments, threats, anonymous verbal attacks....... It's ville And on the subject of large breeds, I myself have 2 mastiffs and i cannot tell you how many times small dogs have come over yapping and barking and snarling at my leaded dogs.... My dogs have not retaliated but I am continually amazed by the owners who still feel its my fault as I have the large dog ... It's ok for their dog to bite mine but if mine bit theirs, mine is labelled the killer...... Get the facts and stop making up rubbish[/p][/quote]Well said. I too have a very large dog (crossbreed of great dane size) who is as gentle as can be, that got bitten by a bichon frise just over a week ago (and didn't retaliate). Resulted in a surgery and a VERY large vets bill. The responsibility did lie with both parties as both dogs were off lead, however not a single word was muttered by the other owner, not so much as an apology. You can bet if it was the other way round I would have got what for and then some! sapphire199
  • Score: 2

4:50pm Tue 30 Apr 13

sapphire199 says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Another dog breed for hunting and another example of how dangerous they can be. Cue again the defenders of these breeds who refuse to accept how dangerous they can be and will never even accept all dogs should be on a lead and muzzled in public, especially large dogs originally bred to hunt. It just plain happens too often to let this continue.
You'll be hard pushed to find a dog that wasn't originally bred for hunting
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: Another dog breed for hunting and another example of how dangerous they can be. Cue again the defenders of these breeds who refuse to accept how dangerous they can be and will never even accept all dogs should be on a lead and muzzled in public, especially large dogs originally bred to hunt. It just plain happens too often to let this continue.[/p][/quote]You'll be hard pushed to find a dog that wasn't originally bred for hunting sapphire199
  • Score: 0

4:55pm Tue 30 Apr 13

sapphire199 says...

Joe Wildman-Clark wrote:
All dogs no matter how big or small should be muzzled in public at all times.

Prehaps set aside a fenced section of parks where they must remain muzzled but can be off lead.

What must be remembered is that it is not the dogs fault its the irresponsible and idiotic owners, actually could we not put the owners on a lead and muzzle them, clearly the dogs have a higher IQ...!
Don't quite understand all the down votes here. While I don't agree that all dogs should be muzzled in public you are right that it is how responsible or irrepsonsible owners are. When out with my dog, if she runs to other people and jumps up I take that as a little reminder that my training is not yet complete.
[quote][p][bold]Joe Wildman-Clark[/bold] wrote: All dogs no matter how big or small should be muzzled in public at all times. Prehaps set aside a fenced section of parks where they must remain muzzled but can be off lead. What must be remembered is that it is not the dogs fault its the irresponsible and idiotic owners, actually could we not put the owners on a lead and muzzle them, clearly the dogs have a higher IQ...![/p][/quote]Don't quite understand all the down votes here. While I don't agree that all dogs should be muzzled in public you are right that it is how responsible or irrepsonsible owners are. When out with my dog, if she runs to other people and jumps up I take that as a little reminder that my training is not yet complete. sapphire199
  • Score: 0

4:59pm Tue 30 Apr 13

sapphire199 says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Kursaal76 wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Another dog breed for hunting and another example of how dangerous they can be. Cue again the defenders of these breeds who refuse to accept how dangerous they can be and will never even accept all dogs should be on a lead and muzzled in public, especially large dogs originally bred to hunt. It just plain happens too often to let this continue.
Think you need to do some research before you look an idiot! most dogs where bred for hunting!
Think you're opinion is in a minority if you think I am an idiot. I referred to the SIZE of dog and some breeds that are bred to hunt sometimes bears. I also think all dogs should be on a lead in public and big dangerous dogs muzzled as well. Jack Russels are bred to hunt, but there is a damned difference between a bear and a rabbit or rat. Retrievers are breed to do what their name says to retrieve shot game.
Bet if you have a dog it isn't a retriever or spaniel.
not much difference between a jack russell and a larger breed 'danger' wise. My dog (very large crossbreed) got bitten by a jack russell just over a week ago resulting in a lengthy and very costly syrgery. so if you think dogs are only dangerous according to size then yes you are an idiot
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kursaal76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: Another dog breed for hunting and another example of how dangerous they can be. Cue again the defenders of these breeds who refuse to accept how dangerous they can be and will never even accept all dogs should be on a lead and muzzled in public, especially large dogs originally bred to hunt. It just plain happens too often to let this continue.[/p][/quote]Think you need to do some research before you look an idiot! most dogs where bred for hunting![/p][/quote]Think you're opinion is in a minority if you think I am an idiot. I referred to the SIZE of dog and some breeds that are bred to hunt sometimes bears. I also think all dogs should be on a lead in public and big dangerous dogs muzzled as well. Jack Russels are bred to hunt, but there is a damned difference between a bear and a rabbit or rat. Retrievers are breed to do what their name says to retrieve shot game. Bet if you have a dog it isn't a retriever or spaniel.[/p][/quote]not much difference between a jack russell and a larger breed 'danger' wise. My dog (very large crossbreed) got bitten by a jack russell just over a week ago resulting in a lengthy and very costly syrgery. so if you think dogs are only dangerous according to size then yes you are an idiot sapphire199
  • Score: 4

6:44pm Tue 30 Apr 13

Harris9 says...

Pinker2012 wrote:
Caps lock denotes shouting, not screaming. Speak to the police. Saxons owner was NOT on a lead. And the owners daughter received abuse not on the day of the attack, but some time after. You yourself are believing what you see on here.
Hang on a minute can you clear something up. You are telling me Saxon was in the wrong for being of lead when he was attacked whilst at the same time trying to excuse the behaviour of the Bulgarian dog. So presumably the Bulgarian dog was on a lead when she attacked Saxon. You cant have it both ways.
[quote][p][bold]Pinker2012[/bold] wrote: Caps lock denotes shouting, not screaming. Speak to the police. Saxons owner was NOT on a lead. And the owners daughter received abuse not on the day of the attack, but some time after. You yourself are believing what you see on here.[/p][/quote]Hang on a minute can you clear something up. You are telling me Saxon was in the wrong for being of lead when he was attacked whilst at the same time trying to excuse the behaviour of the Bulgarian dog. So presumably the Bulgarian dog was on a lead when she attacked Saxon. You cant have it both ways. Harris9
  • Score: 0

7:20pm Tue 30 Apr 13

Missymastiff says...

Harris9 wrote:
Well you accused others of making up rubbish. The secure environment you speak of obviously wasn't secure enough - that's pretty obvious. So you are talking rubbish.
The Frise had its bell;y ripped open. That's actually true so again you talk rubbish.
The previous attack is completely relevant - the dog should have been dealt with then, it was only a matter of time before it made the next attack.

Yes I do have a dog and do have children which is why I was obviously concerned that a dangerous animal was likely to be on the loose at any time.

The facts you are trying to ignore are the dog had previous violent history - the owners made no effort to enquire as to the welfare or even contribute to the vets bills of the other dog which was attacked- I don't think it needs anyone to blacken the name of the family - people can make their own judgements. And its difficult to blacken the name of the dog any further.

You may think my comments are stupid but they are factual - unlike yours which are just trying to hide the facts and cover up what actually happened. I didnt at any time abuse anyone. Maybe you should have read my post properly before you began your tirade.
Tirade,.... Hardly...... Just pointing out that it's now totally unnecessary to bring up previous incidents... They are not helping anyone.....and as for talking rubbish ... No.... ripped open, the dog was bitten, not torn limb from limb, not ripped apart..... It was a small dog bitten by a very large dog... Why make it sound any worse,..isn't that bad enough.......it doesn't matter NOW whether or not the dog had attacked before... It may have been relevant had the owner not had the dog put to sleep.......the owners are very responsible people, they are devastated by the effects of this attack.....you know nothing, you clearly just want to fuel this ... Do you get some peverse pleasure from people's tragedy...... You say you are a concerned dog owner, I say you are vile...... I have 2 very large dogs.... Mine are kept well within my secure environment....but if someone left a gate or a door open they may well escape...... Surely even someone as dense as you can see that......for goodness sake you ridiculos person.... This was a horrific accident... Stop making it out to be some deliberate attack ......god forbid you ever have an accident or cause an accident..... Carry on with your fairy tale facts......make believe all you want.... I knew Genie, she was not a trained killer, she was a beautiful, magnificent creature that deserved the very best.... She bit a small dog.. That dog lost its life... Then she lost hers... A life for a life..... Let that be an end to it......
[quote][p][bold]Harris9[/bold] wrote: Well you accused others of making up rubbish. The secure environment you speak of obviously wasn't secure enough - that's pretty obvious. So you are talking rubbish. The Frise had its bell;y ripped open. That's actually true so again you talk rubbish. The previous attack is completely relevant - the dog should have been dealt with then, it was only a matter of time before it made the next attack. Yes I do have a dog and do have children which is why I was obviously concerned that a dangerous animal was likely to be on the loose at any time. The facts you are trying to ignore are the dog had previous violent history - the owners made no effort to enquire as to the welfare or even contribute to the vets bills of the other dog which was attacked- I don't think it needs anyone to blacken the name of the family - people can make their own judgements. And its difficult to blacken the name of the dog any further. You may think my comments are stupid but they are factual - unlike yours which are just trying to hide the facts and cover up what actually happened. I didnt at any time abuse anyone. Maybe you should have read my post properly before you began your tirade.[/p][/quote]Tirade,.... Hardly...... Just pointing out that it's now totally unnecessary to bring up previous incidents... They are not helping anyone.....and as for talking rubbish ... No.... ripped open, the dog was bitten, not torn limb from limb, not ripped apart..... It was a small dog bitten by a very large dog... Why make it sound any worse,..isn't that bad enough.......it doesn't matter NOW whether or not the dog had attacked before... It may have been relevant had the owner not had the dog put to sleep.......the owners are very responsible people, they are devastated by the effects of this attack.....you know nothing, you clearly just want to fuel this ... Do you get some peverse pleasure from people's tragedy...... You say you are a concerned dog owner, I say you are vile...... I have 2 very large dogs.... Mine are kept well within my secure environment....but if someone left a gate or a door open they may well escape...... Surely even someone as dense as you can see that......for goodness sake you ridiculos person.... This was a horrific accident... Stop making it out to be some deliberate attack ......god forbid you ever have an accident or cause an accident..... Carry on with your fairy tale facts......make believe all you want.... I knew Genie, she was not a trained killer, she was a beautiful, magnificent creature that deserved the very best.... She bit a small dog.. That dog lost its life... Then she lost hers... A life for a life..... Let that be an end to it...... Missymastiff
  • Score: 0

7:28pm Tue 30 Apr 13

Missymastiff says...

sapphire199 wrote:
Missymastiff wrote:
I personally know the family of the Bulgarian mountain dog... I feel I too must comment as I can't bear to read such tosh.... Firstly Genie, was a beautiful family pet. the family, whilst on holiday, found her abandoned and left for dead, tied up with barbed wire... She was not vicious.. Had she been they would not have approached her... She was in desperate need of a caring home... They spent thousands of pounds having her carefully nursed back to health and safely bought home to Britain... Here she blended in well and soon became a part of the family, bonding with their other ,VERY SMALL, dog...... This family has four children so the decision to bring her into their home was not one they undertook lightly...... Genie, was not a killer and lived happily in their secure environment, the environment where their children lived, where other families children came... She was no threat.... This was home..... Let's be very clear that she was NOT a trophy dog, she was not bred for hunting, she was just their baby... She was not trained to kill nor fed on blood, she wasn't involved in fighting and the family kept her safe. The family in question are a great family, not chavs looking to breed her for a quick buck, but the type of family who went over and above to save this beautiful animal. But genie was a big dog and tragically a bad thing happened and the family did the only thing they could... They had their pet put to sleep... Now let's remember that both families here have lost pets, both families are devastated .... No one wanted this to happen...... Genie had escaped, they hadn't let her out to look for a bichon frise .. Why wasn't the frise on a lead.... Had genie been leaded would the frise have yapped and barked, probably.... Had the frise been leaded the owners could have lifted her away... We can spend ll day asking what ifs and whys but the fact remains a big dog attacked a small dog in a horrific accident... And there lies the key word...ACCIDENT.... genies family have acted responsibly... Why then are they being targeted for abuse and anonymous threats.... How is that right?.... Sadly this story has been fabricated and twisted to make it appear that Genie was a killer waiting to pounce... That is NOT the case...... The family involved knew her, knew how to handle her, they knew how to look after her.... But this was an accident...
so before you all get on your high horses shouting the odds and whining about dangerous dogs, and screaming about things you clearly no nothing about..... Check the facts.... There's a lot here you dont know..... Abusive comments, threats, anonymous verbal attacks....... It's ville

And on the subject of large breeds, I myself have 2 mastiffs and i cannot tell you how many times small dogs have come over yapping and barking and snarling at my leaded dogs.... My dogs have not retaliated but I am continually amazed by the owners who still feel its my fault as I have the large dog ... It's ok for their dog to bite mine but if mine bit theirs, mine is labelled the killer...... Get the facts and stop making up rubbish
Well said. I too have a very large dog (crossbreed of great dane size) who is as gentle as can be, that got bitten by a bichon frise just over a week ago (and didn't retaliate). Resulted in a surgery and a VERY large vets bill. The responsibility did lie with both parties as both dogs were off lead, however not a single word was muttered by the other owner, not so much as an apology. You can bet if it was the other way round I would have got what for and then some!
This is so true..... My dogs ( both mastiffs) are very gentle and I'm sick of being labelled as some kind of lunatic just because I don't want a tiny dog to put in my handbag.... My dogs have NEVER so much as growled at a small dog.. I keep mine leaded around the smaller dogs due to their sheer size, just I case one of mine tread on the small ones.... This is always seen as aggressive...ppl think mine are leaded because they are vicious..... Ridiculous.....small minded dog owners..
[quote][p][bold]sapphire199[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Missymastiff[/bold] wrote: I personally know the family of the Bulgarian mountain dog... I feel I too must comment as I can't bear to read such tosh.... Firstly Genie, was a beautiful family pet. the family, whilst on holiday, found her abandoned and left for dead, tied up with barbed wire... She was not vicious.. Had she been they would not have approached her... She was in desperate need of a caring home... They spent thousands of pounds having her carefully nursed back to health and safely bought home to Britain... Here she blended in well and soon became a part of the family, bonding with their other ,VERY SMALL, dog...... This family has four children so the decision to bring her into their home was not one they undertook lightly...... Genie, was not a killer and lived happily in their secure environment, the environment where their children lived, where other families children came... She was no threat.... This was home..... Let's be very clear that she was NOT a trophy dog, she was not bred for hunting, she was just their baby... She was not trained to kill nor fed on blood, she wasn't involved in fighting and the family kept her safe. The family in question are a great family, not chavs looking to breed her for a quick buck, but the type of family who went over and above to save this beautiful animal. But genie was a big dog and tragically a bad thing happened and the family did the only thing they could... They had their pet put to sleep... Now let's remember that both families here have lost pets, both families are devastated .... No one wanted this to happen...... Genie had escaped, they hadn't let her out to look for a bichon frise .. Why wasn't the frise on a lead.... Had genie been leaded would the frise have yapped and barked, probably.... Had the frise been leaded the owners could have lifted her away... We can spend ll day asking what ifs and whys but the fact remains a big dog attacked a small dog in a horrific accident... And there lies the key word...ACCIDENT.... genies family have acted responsibly... Why then are they being targeted for abuse and anonymous threats.... How is that right?.... Sadly this story has been fabricated and twisted to make it appear that Genie was a killer waiting to pounce... That is NOT the case...... The family involved knew her, knew how to handle her, they knew how to look after her.... But this was an accident... so before you all get on your high horses shouting the odds and whining about dangerous dogs, and screaming about things you clearly no nothing about..... Check the facts.... There's a lot here you dont know..... Abusive comments, threats, anonymous verbal attacks....... It's ville And on the subject of large breeds, I myself have 2 mastiffs and i cannot tell you how many times small dogs have come over yapping and barking and snarling at my leaded dogs.... My dogs have not retaliated but I am continually amazed by the owners who still feel its my fault as I have the large dog ... It's ok for their dog to bite mine but if mine bit theirs, mine is labelled the killer...... Get the facts and stop making up rubbish[/p][/quote]Well said. I too have a very large dog (crossbreed of great dane size) who is as gentle as can be, that got bitten by a bichon frise just over a week ago (and didn't retaliate). Resulted in a surgery and a VERY large vets bill. The responsibility did lie with both parties as both dogs were off lead, however not a single word was muttered by the other owner, not so much as an apology. You can bet if it was the other way round I would have got what for and then some![/p][/quote]This is so true..... My dogs ( both mastiffs) are very gentle and I'm sick of being labelled as some kind of lunatic just because I don't want a tiny dog to put in my handbag.... My dogs have NEVER so much as growled at a small dog.. I keep mine leaded around the smaller dogs due to their sheer size, just I case one of mine tread on the small ones.... This is always seen as aggressive...ppl think mine are leaded because they are vicious..... Ridiculous.....small minded dog owners.. Missymastiff
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9:00pm Tue 30 Apr 13

Harris9 says...

"Surely even someone as dense as you can see that......for goodness sake you ridiculos person."

Of course the previous attack was relevant. If a dog attacks once it shouldnt have been allowed to attack again.You only see what you want to as you are obviously a friend of the family. Take the blinkers off and stop trying to defend the indefensible. "Bit a small dog?" You really don't have a clue do you.
Go back to make believe land love and keep on believing this "magnificent creature" is some sort of super hero.
"Surely even someone as dense as you can see that......for goodness sake you ridiculos person." Of course the previous attack was relevant. If a dog attacks once it shouldnt have been allowed to attack again.You only see what you want to as you are obviously a friend of the family. Take the blinkers off and stop trying to defend the indefensible. "Bit a small dog?" You really don't have a clue do you. Go back to make believe land love and keep on believing this "magnificent creature" is some sort of super hero. Harris9
  • Score: 2

8:28pm Wed 1 May 13

Kursaal76 says...

sapphire199 wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Kursaal76 wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
Another dog breed for hunting and another example of how dangerous they can be. Cue again the defenders of these breeds who refuse to accept how dangerous they can be and will never even accept all dogs should be on a lead and muzzled in public, especially large dogs originally bred to hunt. It just plain happens too often to let this continue.
Think you need to do some research before you look an idiot! most dogs where bred for hunting!
Think you're opinion is in a minority if you think I am an idiot. I referred to the SIZE of dog and some breeds that are bred to hunt sometimes bears. I also think all dogs should be on a lead in public and big dangerous dogs muzzled as well. Jack Russels are bred to hunt, but there is a damned difference between a bear and a rabbit or rat. Retrievers are breed to do what their name says to retrieve shot game.
Bet if you have a dog it isn't a retriever or spaniel.
not much difference between a jack russell and a larger breed 'danger' wise. My dog (very large crossbreed) got bitten by a jack russell just over a week ago resulting in a lengthy and very costly syrgery. so if you think dogs are only dangerous according to size then yes you are an idiot
when i was a kid we had a boxer and was given a Yorkshire terrier, the Yorkshire terrier kept biting it's legs so had to get rid of it.
[quote][p][bold]sapphire199[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kursaal76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: Another dog breed for hunting and another example of how dangerous they can be. Cue again the defenders of these breeds who refuse to accept how dangerous they can be and will never even accept all dogs should be on a lead and muzzled in public, especially large dogs originally bred to hunt. It just plain happens too often to let this continue.[/p][/quote]Think you need to do some research before you look an idiot! most dogs where bred for hunting![/p][/quote]Think you're opinion is in a minority if you think I am an idiot. I referred to the SIZE of dog and some breeds that are bred to hunt sometimes bears. I also think all dogs should be on a lead in public and big dangerous dogs muzzled as well. Jack Russels are bred to hunt, but there is a damned difference between a bear and a rabbit or rat. Retrievers are breed to do what their name says to retrieve shot game. Bet if you have a dog it isn't a retriever or spaniel.[/p][/quote]not much difference between a jack russell and a larger breed 'danger' wise. My dog (very large crossbreed) got bitten by a jack russell just over a week ago resulting in a lengthy and very costly syrgery. so if you think dogs are only dangerous according to size then yes you are an idiot[/p][/quote]when i was a kid we had a boxer and was given a Yorkshire terrier, the Yorkshire terrier kept biting it's legs so had to get rid of it. Kursaal76
  • Score: 0

9:57pm Wed 1 May 13

Missymastiff says...

Harris9 wrote:
"Surely even someone as dense as you can see that......for goodness sake you ridiculos person."

Of course the previous attack was relevant. If a dog attacks once it shouldnt have been allowed to attack again.You only see what you want to as you are obviously a friend of the family. Take the blinkers off and stop trying to defend the indefensible. "Bit a small dog?" You really don't have a clue do you.
Go back to make believe land love and keep on believing this "magnificent creature" is some sort of super hero.
Regardless of whom I am, or what my connection may or may not be... Your response makes me see very clearly what you are... And I'm far too polite to write that here as insults won't help anyone..... Maybe you are a"friend" of the other family..... You seem very intent on defending them although it appears they were very rude and aggressive.... No doubt you'll say that's acceptable as their animal was attacked.... Well I don't agree with that.... Yes we all feel sorry for them.... Sad that they lost their pet, but 2 families are suffering.... Not one......I can understand their distress at the initial attack but to be abusive to the family.... I don't see that's acceptable....genie made a terrible mistake and she paid with her life........ . Anyway "love" ( how charming ) I'm tired and bored with you and your fairy tales... You don't have the intelligence to make a worthy discussion ..... Carry on with the abuse...I shall just now laugh at your pathetic attempts to engage me in more of this...... I need say no more.... Enough people are now aware of what actually happened....... I shall sleep well in my large home with my enormous dogs..... Goodbye. And RIP Genie
[quote][p][bold]Harris9[/bold] wrote: "Surely even someone as dense as you can see that......for goodness sake you ridiculos person." Of course the previous attack was relevant. If a dog attacks once it shouldnt have been allowed to attack again.You only see what you want to as you are obviously a friend of the family. Take the blinkers off and stop trying to defend the indefensible. "Bit a small dog?" You really don't have a clue do you. Go back to make believe land love and keep on believing this "magnificent creature" is some sort of super hero.[/p][/quote]Regardless of whom I am, or what my connection may or may not be... Your response makes me see very clearly what you are... And I'm far too polite to write that here as insults won't help anyone..... Maybe you are a"friend" of the other family..... You seem very intent on defending them although it appears they were very rude and aggressive.... No doubt you'll say that's acceptable as their animal was attacked.... Well I don't agree with that.... Yes we all feel sorry for them.... Sad that they lost their pet, but 2 families are suffering.... Not one......I can understand their distress at the initial attack but to be abusive to the family.... I don't see that's acceptable....genie made a terrible mistake and she paid with her life........ . Anyway "love" ( how charming ) I'm tired and bored with you and your fairy tales... You don't have the intelligence to make a worthy discussion ..... Carry on with the abuse...I shall just now laugh at your pathetic attempts to engage me in more of this...... I need say no more.... Enough people are now aware of what actually happened....... I shall sleep well in my large home with my enormous dogs..... Goodbye. And RIP Genie Missymastiff
  • Score: -2

10:29pm Wed 1 May 13

Harris9 says...

Thats very good Missy, you almost managed to string a sentence together.Read the posts. I didn't abuse you simply because it would have been too easy and too cruel to ridicule with your ridiculous fantasy and even more ridiculous use of full stops.. You resorted to name calling when you started losing sight of what the debate was about.
You still are missing the point that your beloved Genie KILLED, yes that;s KILLED an innocent dog and you seem to think that's ok because you knew the owner. Incidentally I don't know the other family, you are of course referring to the one that had their dog torn to pieces through no fault of their own - did you expect them to be happy knowing that the killer dog had a previous record?
I have not tried to engage you in more of anything - you should have quit while you were behind.
Thats very good Missy, you almost managed to string a sentence together.Read the posts. I didn't abuse you simply because it would have been too easy and too cruel to ridicule with your ridiculous fantasy and even more ridiculous use of full stops.. You resorted to name calling when you started losing sight of what the debate was about. You still are missing the point that your beloved Genie KILLED, yes that;s KILLED an innocent dog and you seem to think that's ok because you knew the owner. Incidentally I don't know the other family, you are of course referring to the one that had their dog torn to pieces through no fault of their own - did you expect them to be happy knowing that the killer dog had a previous record? I have not tried to engage you in more of anything - you should have quit while you were behind. Harris9
  • Score: 2

10:50pm Wed 1 May 13

Missymastiff says...

Yawn
Yawn Missymastiff
  • Score: -1

3:51pm Thu 2 May 13

Bonsrec says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Bonsrec wrote:
My name is James and I am a close friend of the dogs owner,

Please understand that the way this news article has portrayed the events that took place between these two dogs, is completely fabricated to coddle the victim dogs owners.

The Bulgarian "hunting" dog was actually rescued from their previous owners abroad. The dog has been In hockley for the past 5 years has always been in a secure environment, the dog in fact managed to escape from the property. "the teenage boy" was not taking his dog for a leisurely stroll through the park without a lead or muzzle, but was in fact trying to return the dog.

Yes this vicious attack did happen, but this dog felt intimidated and theatened by so many humans trying to restrain it. And due to its large size, and it's nature, and the fact that the smaller dog was present,.. You know the rest.

The hunting dog isn't a trophy dog it was rescued so it could have a better life. The dog wasn't "destroyed", how this news article can use such a word p describe a friendship of mans best friend disgusts me.
"Completely fabricated to coddle the victims dog's owners". Well I think I have heard everything now. All sympathy for the dog that attacked and it's owners. Not a shred of sympathy shown for the victims.
I despair.
"Completely fabricated to coddle the victims dog's owners". Well I think I have heard everything now. All sympathy for the dog that attacked and it's owners. Not a shred of sympathy shown for the victims.
I despair.

Well. If you read the **** news article it is All sympathy for the victims owners and not for the dog that attacked and their owners. Because the story is fabricated that way. And you're the idiot who believes everything that is wrote in a local newspaper when I'm clearly telling you what happened and the whole story.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bonsrec[/bold] wrote: My name is James and I am a close friend of the dogs owner, Please understand that the way this news article has portrayed the events that took place between these two dogs, is completely fabricated to coddle the victim dogs owners. The Bulgarian "hunting" dog was actually rescued from their previous owners abroad. The dog has been In hockley for the past 5 years has always been in a secure environment, the dog in fact managed to escape from the property. "the teenage boy" was not taking his dog for a leisurely stroll through the park without a lead or muzzle, but was in fact trying to return the dog. Yes this vicious attack did happen, but this dog felt intimidated and theatened by so many humans trying to restrain it. And due to its large size, and it's nature, and the fact that the smaller dog was present,.. You know the rest. The hunting dog isn't a trophy dog it was rescued so it could have a better life. The dog wasn't "destroyed", how this news article can use such a word p describe a friendship of mans best friend disgusts me.[/p][/quote]"Completely fabricated to coddle the victims dog's owners". Well I think I have heard everything now. All sympathy for the dog that attacked and it's owners. Not a shred of sympathy shown for the victims. I despair.[/p][/quote]"Completely fabricated to coddle the victims dog's owners". Well I think I have heard everything now. All sympathy for the dog that attacked and it's owners. Not a shred of sympathy shown for the victims. I despair. Well. If you read the **** news article it is All sympathy for the victims owners and not for the dog that attacked and their owners. Because the story is fabricated that way. And you're the idiot who believes everything that is wrote in a local newspaper when I'm clearly telling you what happened and the whole story. Bonsrec
  • Score: 0

5:00pm Thu 2 May 13

Bonsrec says...

The Cowboy wrote:
Who goes on holiday to Bulgaria?

Anyway, I hate dogs, so even if I saw one tied to a fence with its own tongue I'd walk on and ignore it. Spending thousands to bring home some mangey mutt from Eastern Europe, you must be mad.
Or they just have a heart. You cold lonely man.
[quote][p][bold]The Cowboy[/bold] wrote: Who goes on holiday to Bulgaria? Anyway, I hate dogs, so even if I saw one tied to a fence with its own tongue I'd walk on and ignore it. Spending thousands to bring home some mangey mutt from Eastern Europe, you must be mad.[/p][/quote]Or they just have a heart. You cold lonely man. Bonsrec
  • Score: 0

3:11am Fri 3 May 13

Expat Jack Russell lover says...

Certainly until a few years ago Jack Russells were responsible for more injuries to people than any other type of dog - so size has nothing to do with it. Accidents do happen, and they're dogs, this is how they behave.
A while back, our Jack Russell escaped in the middle of a house move, with police on hand and everything.. he dashed across the street and lunged at a passing terrier (from memory something a little less aggressive, a cairn or norfolk?). We dragged him off and the other dog was bitten, and would've needed to see a vet, but not in a terrible way. We were sure the police were going to do something, but they said "that's what dogs do.. You had taken every measure to keep him locked up whilst the move was happening, but these things happen. It was an ACCIDENT, and we're not going to do anything". The other dog owner felt the same way! We knew that we had a tricky pet, he was rescued from horrible circumstances but was always on a leash etc. That was the only time in 15 years that this happened. I think the newspaper and the victim family suffer from tabloid-itis. Make it as shocking and horrific as possible, and make everyone and anyone pay.
Certainly until a few years ago Jack Russells were responsible for more injuries to people than any other type of dog - so size has nothing to do with it. Accidents do happen, and they're dogs, this is how they behave. A while back, our Jack Russell escaped in the middle of a house move, with police on hand and everything.. he dashed across the street and lunged at a passing terrier (from memory something a little less aggressive, a cairn or norfolk?). We dragged him off and the other dog was bitten, and would've needed to see a vet, but not in a terrible way. We were sure the police were going to do something, but they said "that's what dogs do.. You had taken every measure to keep him locked up whilst the move was happening, but these things happen. It was an ACCIDENT, and we're not going to do anything". The other dog owner felt the same way! We knew that we had a tricky pet, he was rescued from horrible circumstances but was always on a leash etc. That was the only time in 15 years that this happened. I think the newspaper and the victim family suffer from tabloid-itis. Make it as shocking and horrific as possible, and make everyone and anyone pay. Expat Jack Russell lover
  • Score: 1

2:41pm Fri 3 May 13

Missymastiff says...

Expat Jack Russell lover wrote:
Certainly until a few years ago Jack Russells were responsible for more injuries to people than any other type of dog - so size has nothing to do with it. Accidents do happen, and they're dogs, this is how they behave.
A while back, our Jack Russell escaped in the middle of a house move, with police on hand and everything.. he dashed across the street and lunged at a passing terrier (from memory something a little less aggressive, a cairn or norfolk?). We dragged him off and the other dog was bitten, and would've needed to see a vet, but not in a terrible way. We were sure the police were going to do something, but they said "that's what dogs do.. You had taken every measure to keep him locked up whilst the move was happening, but these things happen. It was an ACCIDENT, and we're not going to do anything". The other dog owner felt the same way! We knew that we had a tricky pet, he was rescued from horrible circumstances but was always on a leash etc. That was the only time in 15 years that this happened. I think the newspaper and the victim family suffer from tabloid-itis. Make it as shocking and horrific as possible, and make everyone and anyone pay.
Voice of reason..... Well said..... Accidents happen
[quote][p][bold]Expat Jack Russell lover[/bold] wrote: Certainly until a few years ago Jack Russells were responsible for more injuries to people than any other type of dog - so size has nothing to do with it. Accidents do happen, and they're dogs, this is how they behave. A while back, our Jack Russell escaped in the middle of a house move, with police on hand and everything.. he dashed across the street and lunged at a passing terrier (from memory something a little less aggressive, a cairn or norfolk?). We dragged him off and the other dog was bitten, and would've needed to see a vet, but not in a terrible way. We were sure the police were going to do something, but they said "that's what dogs do.. You had taken every measure to keep him locked up whilst the move was happening, but these things happen. It was an ACCIDENT, and we're not going to do anything". The other dog owner felt the same way! We knew that we had a tricky pet, he was rescued from horrible circumstances but was always on a leash etc. That was the only time in 15 years that this happened. I think the newspaper and the victim family suffer from tabloid-itis. Make it as shocking and horrific as possible, and make everyone and anyone pay.[/p][/quote]Voice of reason..... Well said..... Accidents happen Missymastiff
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