Pub wins its battle with neighbours to open an outside bar

Echo: Pub wins its battle with neighbours to open an outside bar Pub wins its battle with neighbours to open an outside bar

A BILLERICAY pub has won its bid to open an outside bar despite opposition from angry residents.

The Crown, in High Street, submitted an application to Basildon Council to change its license to serve alcohol in its beer garden.

The changes were approved by councillors after bosses at the pub insisted a CCTV system was in place and at least three bouncers would be on hand Friday and Saturday nights to ensure customers’ safety.

Residents fear the outside bar, which could remain open until 1am, will cause noise disruption and a rise in antisocial behaviour.

Susan Green, of Norsey Green, Billericay, claims revellers regularly throw items over her garden wall, which she shares with the Crown’s beer garden.

She said: “A parasol is still lodged on my shed roof after it was sent over one particularly drunken night by one of their customers from the beer garden.

“My children are unable to go in the garden in the summer when beer glasses and bottles come over our wall, not to mention the foul language used by their customers, which I do not want my children exposed to.

“On Saturday and Sunday mornings, I have to pick up broken glass lining our pavements before I can walk the dog.

“He has already had his paws cut twice in our own garden from broken glass.

“Billericay is becoming a town where people travel into to get drunk. Our lives have become a misery and it is bad enough that our children can’t go out because of the amount of drunkenness on the streets of Billericay. They cannot even have quiet enjoyment in our own small garden.”

John Baron, MP for Basildon and Billericay, wrote an objection letter to licensing officers at Basildon Council asking them to turn down the proposals following numerous complaints from residents.

He said: “We have a lot of places in the High Street where drinks can be bought. I therefore question whether we need more.

“It remains my view we must guard against Billericay High Street turning into a pub alley.”

The license change does not permit music to be played in the outside bar area.

David Rippo, co-owner of the Crown, said: “There are people making a fuss about noise and things that will not even happen.

The pub has been here 100 years and it’s just a matter of change.

“We are going to make every effort to work with the residents, but at the end of the day, this is a business and they have to accept we’re here in the same way we have to accept them.”

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4:53pm Sun 4 Aug 13

Eric the Red says...

Chloe
You still haven't got the spelling of LICENCE right. Are you in the right job?
Chloe You still haven't got the spelling of LICENCE right. Are you in the right job? Eric the Red

5:29pm Sun 4 Aug 13

Howard Chase says...

Eric the Red wrote:
Chloe
You still haven't got the spelling of LICENCE right. Are you in the right job?
Is there a different spelling in US English?

Might have their new spellchecker set up for that rather than UK English.....
[quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: Chloe You still haven't got the spelling of LICENCE right. Are you in the right job?[/p][/quote]Is there a different spelling in US English? Might have their new spellchecker set up for that rather than UK English..... Howard Chase

5:34pm Sun 4 Aug 13

billericay boy says...

Eric the Red wrote:
Chloe
You still haven't got the spelling of LICENCE right. Are you in the right job?
It's a Sonday who cares abowt spellink...
[quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: Chloe You still haven't got the spelling of LICENCE right. Are you in the right job?[/p][/quote]It's a Sonday who cares abowt spellink... billericay boy

5:41pm Sun 4 Aug 13

Howard Chase says...

it'll bea ll those out of towners coming in to that nice peaceful Billericay and swearing and getting drunk and all that nasty behaviour,
it'll bea ll those out of towners coming in to that nice peaceful Billericay and swearing and getting drunk and all that nasty behaviour, Howard Chase

5:52pm Sun 4 Aug 13

Eric the Red says...

Howard Chase wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
Chloe
You still haven't got the spelling of LICENCE right. Are you in the right job?
Is there a different spelling in US English?

Might have their new spellchecker set up for that rather than UK English.....
A real journalist would know how to spell; and certainly know that the rubbish from across the pond is not acceptable.
[quote][p][bold]Howard Chase[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: Chloe You still haven't got the spelling of LICENCE right. Are you in the right job?[/p][/quote]Is there a different spelling in US English? Might have their new spellchecker set up for that rather than UK English.....[/p][/quote]A real journalist would know how to spell; and certainly know that the rubbish from across the pond is not acceptable. Eric the Red

8:23pm Sun 4 Aug 13

Devils Advocate says...

"Billericay is becoming a town where people travel into to get drunk. Our lives have become a misery and it is bad enough that our children can’t go out because of the amount of drunkenness on the streets of Billericay." States Susan (nimby) Green.
How strange that people would come to Billericay for their fun. Most of the trouble makers in Bas Vegas and the walk to that town centre actually come from Billericay. However, none of that will equate with the amount of people dumped on Basildon by just one individual from Billericay! Can we get him banned?
"Billericay is becoming a town where people travel into to get drunk. Our lives have become a misery and it is bad enough that our children can’t go out because of the amount of drunkenness on the streets of Billericay." States Susan (nimby) Green. How strange that people would come to Billericay for their fun. Most of the trouble makers in Bas Vegas and the walk to that town centre actually come from Billericay. However, none of that will equate with the amount of people dumped on Basildon by just one individual from Billericay! Can we get him banned? Devils Advocate

9:07pm Sun 4 Aug 13

paulatepc says...

Many pubs have a "no-mans-land' strip between the beer garden and the nearest neighbour. Would that help?

Its alright labelling someone a "Nimby" if their lives have been made a misery and dismissing out of hand everything they say. Everyone has the right to a peaceful life. No doubt the people who use that term would be the first to complain if they were at the receiving end.
Many pubs have a "no-mans-land' strip between the beer garden and the nearest neighbour. Would that help? Its alright labelling someone a "Nimby" if their lives have been made a misery and dismissing out of hand everything they say. Everyone has the right to a peaceful life. No doubt the people who use that term would be the first to complain if they were at the receiving end. paulatepc

9:02am Mon 5 Aug 13

uncle_jarvis says...

If you live right next to a pub, no matter where it is, you're going to be affected by it. People drink and get drunk in pubs. People are often idiots when they're drunk, no matter where the pub is.

There's a reason houses next door to pubs are normally considerably cheaper than every other house down the road.
If you live right next to a pub, no matter where it is, you're going to be affected by it. People drink and get drunk in pubs. People are often idiots when they're drunk, no matter where the pub is. There's a reason houses next door to pubs are normally considerably cheaper than every other house down the road. uncle_jarvis

5:39pm Mon 5 Aug 13

ChampKind says...

The pub was there when they moved in, so what did they expect , peace and tranquillity ?
The pub was there when they moved in, so what did they expect , peace and tranquillity ? ChampKind

7:31pm Mon 5 Aug 13

Devils Advocate says...

paulatepc wrote:
Many pubs have a "no-mans-land' strip between the beer garden and the nearest neighbour. Would that help?

Its alright labelling someone a "Nimby" if their lives have been made a misery and dismissing out of hand everything they say. Everyone has the right to a peaceful life. No doubt the people who use that term would be the first to complain if they were at the receiving end.
As I am the only one to use that terrible anacronym I would guess you mean me. But The allusion to the noisome people from outside of that person's area is deserving of that title. As I stated in my post, "Most of the trouble in "Bas Vegas" comes from Billericay people. Not necessarily true, but carrying the same supposed stigma. In my back yard I have now for a number of years been disturbed by people from Bas Vegas walking to the town centre of Basildon. This can continue all night. Not one of those people live in my street, but my street suffers their inconsideration. Would I be a nimby if I complained? No, because I am against loutish behaviour all through the night inflicting upon any area where people are peacefully asleep, probably getting up at an unearthly hour to go to work.. Why be nimbyish? Why not try to get a little change in the rules of behaviour?
[quote][p][bold]paulatepc[/bold] wrote: Many pubs have a "no-mans-land' strip between the beer garden and the nearest neighbour. Would that help? Its alright labelling someone a "Nimby" if their lives have been made a misery and dismissing out of hand everything they say. Everyone has the right to a peaceful life. No doubt the people who use that term would be the first to complain if they were at the receiving end.[/p][/quote]As I am the only one to use that terrible anacronym I would guess you mean me. But The allusion to the noisome people from outside of that person's area is deserving of that title. As I stated in my post, "Most of the trouble in "Bas Vegas" comes from Billericay people. Not necessarily true, but carrying the same supposed stigma. In my back yard I have now for a number of years been disturbed by people from Bas Vegas walking to the town centre of Basildon. This can continue all night. Not one of those people live in my street, but my street suffers their inconsideration. Would I be a nimby if I complained? No, because I am against loutish behaviour all through the night inflicting upon any area where people are peacefully asleep, probably getting up at an unearthly hour to go to work.. Why be nimbyish? Why not try to get a little change in the rules of behaviour? Devils Advocate

8:53pm Mon 5 Aug 13

Lordmountfield says...

Im inviting my bagpipe band down to the new garden, seems they could do with a bit of och eye....
Im inviting my bagpipe band down to the new garden, seems they could do with a bit of och eye.... Lordmountfield

12:44pm Thu 8 Aug 13

Kim Gandy says...

I live in Rayleigh town centre and although I accept that living in a town centre means I am going to have to put up with noise, I agree with the poster above. Yes, even people in town centres are entitled to some level of peace and quiet and not to have their peace ruined by selfish morons.

You would think that after the pubs had turned out, people would have enough respect to leave at that time and not still be hanging around the streets at 2am shouting and bawling, fighting, vomiting and chucking their rubbish around.

Yes, if you live next door to a pub you have to put up with the noise. It's what happens after the pubs are shut that pees me off. I have to put up with prowlers around the back of my flat, long after the pubs have shut, being subjected to prolonged and protracted very public arguments, not to mention the trash that gets thrown in my garden by these idiots.

And yes, it's all very well and good referring to people as NIMBYS when you are not the one putting up with it.

I'd like to see the reaction if I found out where these people lived and turned up outside their properties at 2 and 3am yelling my head off, peeing in their front doorways (which I have also had to put up with), vomiting all over the pavement in front of their house and chucking empty wrappers in their gardens.
I live in Rayleigh town centre and although I accept that living in a town centre means I am going to have to put up with noise, I agree with the poster above. Yes, even people in town centres are entitled to some level of peace and quiet and not to have their peace ruined by selfish morons. You would think that after the pubs had turned out, people would have enough respect to leave at that time and not still be hanging around the streets at 2am shouting and bawling, fighting, vomiting and chucking their rubbish around. Yes, if you live next door to a pub you have to put up with the noise. It's what happens after the pubs are shut that pees me off. I have to put up with prowlers around the back of my flat, long after the pubs have shut, being subjected to prolonged and protracted very public arguments, not to mention the trash that gets thrown in my garden by these idiots. And yes, it's all very well and good referring to people as NIMBYS when you are not the one putting up with it. I'd like to see the reaction if I found out where these people lived and turned up outside their properties at 2 and 3am yelling my head off, peeing in their front doorways (which I have also had to put up with), vomiting all over the pavement in front of their house and chucking empty wrappers in their gardens. Kim Gandy

7:48pm Thu 8 Aug 13

Devils Advocate says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
I live in Rayleigh town centre and although I accept that living in a town centre means I am going to have to put up with noise, I agree with the poster above. Yes, even people in town centres are entitled to some level of peace and quiet and not to have their peace ruined by selfish morons.

You would think that after the pubs had turned out, people would have enough respect to leave at that time and not still be hanging around the streets at 2am shouting and bawling, fighting, vomiting and chucking their rubbish around.

Yes, if you live next door to a pub you have to put up with the noise. It's what happens after the pubs are shut that pees me off. I have to put up with prowlers around the back of my flat, long after the pubs have shut, being subjected to prolonged and protracted very public arguments, not to mention the trash that gets thrown in my garden by these idiots.

And yes, it's all very well and good referring to people as NIMBYS when you are not the one putting up with it.

I'd like to see the reaction if I found out where these people lived and turned up outside their properties at 2 and 3am yelling my head off, peeing in their front doorways (which I have also had to put up with), vomiting all over the pavement in front of their house and chucking empty wrappers in their gardens.
Kim, if you are referring to me, please read my post. I took an exception to the fact that the direction of the stories complainant seemed to be " Persons not from this area" which seemed to me to indicate that either, people from her immediate area (Billericay) would never misbehave, or, put another way, what else can you expect from people who live in (???)! I feel that remark and that remark alone justified the "nimby!" In my post I complain strongly about the people who do exactly what you are referring to. This is every night for my area. After the gentry finish their early hours fun in the town centre pub, they make their way to the BAS Vegas drinking emporium. But they are already enjoying the echoing nature of my street. at that time. Can you imaging the sheer foul-mouthed chicanery on their return?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I live in Rayleigh town centre and although I accept that living in a town centre means I am going to have to put up with noise, I agree with the poster above. Yes, even people in town centres are entitled to some level of peace and quiet and not to have their peace ruined by selfish morons. You would think that after the pubs had turned out, people would have enough respect to leave at that time and not still be hanging around the streets at 2am shouting and bawling, fighting, vomiting and chucking their rubbish around. Yes, if you live next door to a pub you have to put up with the noise. It's what happens after the pubs are shut that pees me off. I have to put up with prowlers around the back of my flat, long after the pubs have shut, being subjected to prolonged and protracted very public arguments, not to mention the trash that gets thrown in my garden by these idiots. And yes, it's all very well and good referring to people as NIMBYS when you are not the one putting up with it. I'd like to see the reaction if I found out where these people lived and turned up outside their properties at 2 and 3am yelling my head off, peeing in their front doorways (which I have also had to put up with), vomiting all over the pavement in front of their house and chucking empty wrappers in their gardens.[/p][/quote]Kim, if you are referring to me, please read my post. I took an exception to the fact that the direction of the stories complainant seemed to be " Persons not from this area" which seemed to me to indicate that either, people from her immediate area (Billericay) would never misbehave, or, put another way, what else can you expect from people who live in (???)! I feel that remark and that remark alone justified the "nimby!" In my post I complain strongly about the people who do exactly what you are referring to. This is every night for my area. After the gentry finish their early hours fun in the town centre pub, they make their way to the BAS Vegas drinking emporium. But they are already enjoying the echoing nature of my street. at that time. Can you imaging the sheer foul-mouthed chicanery on their return? Devils Advocate

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