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9:52am Fri 6 Dec 13

Kim Gandy says...

....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link...

http://www.biblebase
dministries.co.uk/wp
-content/uploads/201
3/07/Lest-We-Forget-
The-Truth-about-Nels
on-Mandela.pdf

The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi.

And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.
....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link... http://www.biblebase dministries.co.uk/wp -content/uploads/201 3/07/Lest-We-Forget- The-Truth-about-Nels on-Mandela.pdf The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi. And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 18

9:54am Fri 6 Dec 13

Kim Gandy says...

once again the left wing predominated media hides the truth. And the public swallow it. Except those of us who do NOT believe everything they read in newspapers. I reject a lot of what is online as everyone knows but where there is well documented and well researched evidence..rather than lies and conjecture....
once again the left wing predominated media hides the truth. And the public swallow it. Except those of us who do NOT believe everything they read in newspapers. I reject a lot of what is online as everyone knows but where there is well documented and well researched evidence..rather than lies and conjecture.... Kim Gandy
  • Score: 8

10:02am Fri 6 Dec 13

whateverhappened says...

So whats your point!
So whats your point! whateverhappened
  • Score: 0

10:14am Fri 6 Dec 13

Catchedicam says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link...

http://www.biblebase

dministries.co.uk/wp

-content/uploads/201

3/07/Lest-We-Forget-

The-Truth-about-Nels

on-Mandela.pdf

The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi.

And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.
Never agreed with you before, but I find myself doing so over this...
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: ....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link... http://www.biblebase dministries.co.uk/wp -content/uploads/201 3/07/Lest-We-Forget- The-Truth-about-Nels on-Mandela.pdf The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi. And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.[/p][/quote]Never agreed with you before, but I find myself doing so over this... Catchedicam
  • Score: 6

10:14am Fri 6 Dec 13

wormshero says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
once again the left wing predominated media hides the truth. And the public swallow it. Except those of us who do NOT believe everything they read in newspapers. I reject a lot of what is online as everyone knows but where there is well documented and well researched evidence..rather than lies and conjecture....
How on earth is this, for example, left wing media? I mean, it's not as right wing as the mail but it's definitely centre-right. The facts about the man are pretty well known to the public, he was in no way perfect but he was an important man in history who did a lot for equality and will be missed by pretty much everyone who isn't an insane extreme-right-winger
.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: once again the left wing predominated media hides the truth. And the public swallow it. Except those of us who do NOT believe everything they read in newspapers. I reject a lot of what is online as everyone knows but where there is well documented and well researched evidence..rather than lies and conjecture....[/p][/quote]How on earth is this, for example, left wing media? I mean, it's not as right wing as the mail but it's definitely centre-right. The facts about the man are pretty well known to the public, he was in no way perfect but he was an important man in history who did a lot for equality and will be missed by pretty much everyone who isn't an insane extreme-right-winger . wormshero
  • Score: -8

10:15am Fri 6 Dec 13

wormshero says...

Also I love how you go on about unreliable sources and then post an article from the site Bible Based Ministries with seemingly no irony at all.
Also I love how you go on about unreliable sources and then post an article from the site Bible Based Ministries with seemingly no irony at all. wormshero
  • Score: 0

10:24am Fri 6 Dec 13

super waluigi says...

You don't have to be left wing or right wing to appreciate what Nelson Mandela has done for the world.
The strength of one man has changed the way that most of the world think, let a lone South Africa.
Every man has his faults. Nelson knew this, and that is what made him the man he was.
People like Kim Gandi are narrow minded, tunnel vision idiots. To think he was all about politics shows this.
Nelson was for people.

Rest in peace.
You don't have to be left wing or right wing to appreciate what Nelson Mandela has done for the world. The strength of one man has changed the way that most of the world think, let a lone South Africa. Every man has his faults. Nelson knew this, and that is what made him the man he was. People like Kim Gandi are narrow minded, tunnel vision idiots. To think he was all about politics shows this. Nelson was for people. Rest in peace. super waluigi
  • Score: -7

10:29am Fri 6 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

brother can you spare some local news?
brother can you spare some local news? profondo asbo
  • Score: 10

10:31am Fri 6 Dec 13

scrounger‎ says...

The BBC went overboard on this story interrupting programs on a night when England was on flood alert, worse then when Thatcher died. The man was a terrorist who got caught blowing up electricity pylons and was sent to prison, end of.
The BBC went overboard on this story interrupting programs on a night when England was on flood alert, worse then when Thatcher died. The man was a terrorist who got caught blowing up electricity pylons and was sent to prison, end of. scrounger‎
  • Score: 8

10:36am Fri 6 Dec 13

happy75 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link...

http://www.biblebase

dministries.co.uk/wp

-content/uploads/201

3/07/Lest-We-Forget-

The-Truth-about-Nels

on-Mandela.pdf

The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi.

And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.
This is all well known, easily accessible info. Mandela was a great man. More inane, right wing drivel from Kim Gandy. Your predictability is just boring.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: ....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link... http://www.biblebase dministries.co.uk/wp -content/uploads/201 3/07/Lest-We-Forget- The-Truth-about-Nels on-Mandela.pdf The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi. And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.[/p][/quote]This is all well known, easily accessible info. Mandela was a great man. More inane, right wing drivel from Kim Gandy. Your predictability is just boring. happy75
  • Score: -6

10:56am Fri 6 Dec 13

pixiebell87 says...

i serious do not get how anyone can slag this man off especially hours after his death- HAVE SOME RESPECT!!
i serious do not get how anyone can slag this man off especially hours after his death- HAVE SOME RESPECT!! pixiebell87
  • Score: -10

10:57am Fri 6 Dec 13

Jess Jephcott says...

Mandela repented his sins and died a great man. Would that there were more like him in this violent world.
Mandela repented his sins and died a great man. Would that there were more like him in this violent world. Jess Jephcott
  • Score: -11

11:15am Fri 6 Dec 13

Howard Cháse says...

Was he from round here then?
Was he from round here then? Howard Cháse
  • Score: 8

11:45am Fri 6 Dec 13

reg reg says...

nelson Mandela was a terrorist and should never have been freed he was responsible for hundreds if not thousands of deaths
I used to own a T shirt with (lock nelson Mandela up)
once he got the momentum of western ( celebrates) he killed a lot of his opposition not (white) black (Inkatha Freedom Party) zulus
and wini Mandela,s football team were her personal assassins
any way is it going to snow this year
nelson Mandela was a terrorist and should never have been freed he was responsible for hundreds if not thousands of deaths I used to own a T shirt with (lock nelson Mandela up) once he got the momentum of western ( celebrates) he killed a lot of his opposition not (white) black (Inkatha Freedom Party) zulus and wini Mandela,s football team were her personal assassins any way is it going to snow this year reg reg
  • Score: 11

11:51am Fri 6 Dec 13

reg reg says...

super waluigi wrote:
You don't have to be left wing or right wing to appreciate what Nelson Mandela has done for the world.
The strength of one man has changed the way that most of the world think, let a lone South Africa.
Every man has his faults. Nelson knew this, and that is what made him the man he was.
People like Kim Gandi are narrow minded, tunnel vision idiots. To think he was all about politics shows this.
Nelson was for people.

Rest in peace.
changed the world ?
what like invented the steam engine ?
south Africa is the most violent place on earth mow pall.
you are right he did change the world.
see what happens when you let a violent thinking mans ideas spread
[quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: You don't have to be left wing or right wing to appreciate what Nelson Mandela has done for the world. The strength of one man has changed the way that most of the world think, let a lone South Africa. Every man has his faults. Nelson knew this, and that is what made him the man he was. People like Kim Gandi are narrow minded, tunnel vision idiots. To think he was all about politics shows this. Nelson was for people. Rest in peace.[/p][/quote]changed the world ? what like invented the steam engine ? south Africa is the most violent place on earth mow pall. you are right he did change the world. see what happens when you let a violent thinking mans ideas spread reg reg
  • Score: 10

12:03pm Fri 6 Dec 13

reg reg says...

NELSON MANDELA NEVER ENDED APATITE
HE JUST REVERSED IT
NELSON MANDELA NEVER ENDED APATITE HE JUST REVERSED IT reg reg
  • Score: 8

12:10pm Fri 6 Dec 13

super waluigi says...

Hush now Reg, you have had 95 years to bad mouth Nelson Mandela, so why chose to do it now. It would be best to keep your views to yourself.

Tell me, how did you react to Thatchers death a few years ago????

You don't have to appreciate Mandelas contributions to the world. I choose to acknowledge a black president in a white ruling country as a positive, further more a modern figure head.

It's my choice, you can't change that, so just accept it.
Hush now Reg, you have had 95 years to bad mouth Nelson Mandela, so why chose to do it now. It would be best to keep your views to yourself. Tell me, how did you react to Thatchers death a few years ago???? You don't have to appreciate Mandelas contributions to the world. I choose to acknowledge a black president in a white ruling country as a positive, further more a modern figure head. It's my choice, you can't change that, so just accept it. super waluigi
  • Score: -11

12:21pm Fri 6 Dec 13

sandgronun64 says...

reg reg wrote:
super waluigi wrote:
You don't have to be left wing or right wing to appreciate what Nelson Mandela has done for the world.
The strength of one man has changed the way that most of the world think, let a lone South Africa.
Every man has his faults. Nelson knew this, and that is what made him the man he was.
People like Kim Gandi are narrow minded, tunnel vision idiots. To think he was all about politics shows this.
Nelson was for people.

Rest in peace.
changed the world ?
what like invented the steam engine ?
south Africa is the most violent place on earth mow pall.
you are right he did change the world.
see what happens when you let a violent thinking mans ideas spread
Hero (or Heron) of Alexandria (c. AD 10–70), an ancient Greek mathematician and engineer, described (and is attributed with the invention of) the aeolipile (a version of which is known as Hero's engine) which was a rocket-like reaction engine and (as such) the first-recorded steam engine. It was created almost two millennia before the industrial revolution. Its origin is however more uncertain as Vitruvius mentioned the aeolipile in De Architectura some 100 years earlier than Hero. Both Hero and Vitruvius draw on the much earlier work by Ctesibius (285–222 BC), but it is not known whether or not Ctesibius himself was the inventor.

The point here is that no matter how important an invention or action might be, it depends upon what else is happening around at that time. The steam engine had no effect for two thousand years, until it was 'rediscovered' at a later date.

Mandela’s legacy might be as yet unclear as to how important it will be going into an uncertain future. Let us see how history and events yet to come in Africa affect his standing in respect of influence and importance in shaping the future of this troubled continent.

For now though, RIP.
[quote][p][bold]reg reg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: You don't have to be left wing or right wing to appreciate what Nelson Mandela has done for the world. The strength of one man has changed the way that most of the world think, let a lone South Africa. Every man has his faults. Nelson knew this, and that is what made him the man he was. People like Kim Gandi are narrow minded, tunnel vision idiots. To think he was all about politics shows this. Nelson was for people. Rest in peace.[/p][/quote]changed the world ? what like invented the steam engine ? south Africa is the most violent place on earth mow pall. you are right he did change the world. see what happens when you let a violent thinking mans ideas spread[/p][/quote]Hero (or Heron) of Alexandria (c. AD 10–70), an ancient Greek mathematician and engineer, described (and is attributed with the invention of) the aeolipile (a version of which is known as Hero's engine) which was a rocket-like reaction engine and (as such) the first-recorded steam engine. It was created almost two millennia before the industrial revolution. Its origin is however more uncertain as Vitruvius mentioned the aeolipile in De Architectura some 100 years earlier than Hero. Both Hero and Vitruvius draw on the much earlier work by Ctesibius (285–222 BC), but it is not known whether or not Ctesibius himself was the inventor. The point here is that no matter how important an invention or action might be, it depends upon what else is happening around at that time. The steam engine had no effect for two thousand years, until it was 'rediscovered' at a later date. Mandela’s legacy might be as yet unclear as to how important it will be going into an uncertain future. Let us see how history and events yet to come in Africa affect his standing in respect of influence and importance in shaping the future of this troubled continent. For now though, RIP. sandgronun64
  • Score: -11

1:51pm Fri 6 Dec 13

JayRSS1 says...

Why is this story in the local Southend stories section of the website? Are SE Council planning to twin Southend with Jo'berg?
Why is this story in the local Southend stories section of the website? Are SE Council planning to twin Southend with Jo'berg? JayRSS1
  • Score: 7

2:09pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Reginald47 says...

Why am I getting the Southend stories section of the Ecko website on the Colchester stories section of the Gazette website? We all know the Gazette is actually a Basildon newpaper, but this is taking things too far. As for Mandela, he was a bad man who in the end became a great force for freedom ........ but it's all getting a bit boring now as is the untra-right wing hijacking of this website.
Why am I getting the Southend stories section of the Ecko website on the Colchester stories section of the Gazette website? We all know the Gazette is actually a Basildon newpaper, but this is taking things too far. As for Mandela, he was a bad man who in the end became a great force for freedom ........ but it's all getting a bit boring now as is the untra-right wing hijacking of this website. Reginald47
  • Score: -11

2:16pm Fri 6 Dec 13

emcee says...

The way the press are acting you would have thought he was "glorious leader" of our planet and "supreme being" of the galaxy.

My feeling is, OK, RIP, but... so what!
The way the press are acting you would have thought he was "glorious leader" of our planet and "supreme being" of the galaxy. My feeling is, OK, RIP, but... so what! emcee
  • Score: 13

2:23pm Fri 6 Dec 13

reg reg says...

super waluigi wrote:
Hush now Reg, you have had 95 years to bad mouth Nelson Mandela, so why chose to do it now. It would be best to keep your views to yourself.

Tell me, how did you react to Thatchers death a few years ago????

You don't have to appreciate Mandelas contributions to the world. I choose to acknowledge a black president in a white ruling country as a positive, further more a modern figure head.

It's my choice, you can't change that, so just accept it.
I personally think this about this ordinary man .
but first i will address your statement.
95 years ? i am not even half that yet .
It would be best to keep your views to yourself.?
he should have kept his to himself in that case !!!
Tell me, how did you react to Thatchers death a few years ago??
the exact same way
more of a John Lennon fan (imagine)
southafrica is a country full of savage people kill each other by the shed load every day he alone is responsible for this
Johannesburg alone (1 city)
50 murders a day
800 serious assaults
150 rapes
350 aggravated robberies
these figures are logged by corrupt police goodess knows the true numbers
so if you want my opinion and i know you don't but your getting it any way
letting this terrorist go unleashed an ideology that we can do what ever we want we are FREE to do so
so is it going to snow this year or what
[quote][p][bold]super waluigi[/bold] wrote: Hush now Reg, you have had 95 years to bad mouth Nelson Mandela, so why chose to do it now. It would be best to keep your views to yourself. Tell me, how did you react to Thatchers death a few years ago???? You don't have to appreciate Mandelas contributions to the world. I choose to acknowledge a black president in a white ruling country as a positive, further more a modern figure head. It's my choice, you can't change that, so just accept it.[/p][/quote]I personally think this about this ordinary man . but first i will address your statement. 95 years ? i am not even half that yet . It would be best to keep your views to yourself.? he should have kept his to himself in that case !!! Tell me, how did you react to Thatchers death a few years ago?? the exact same way more of a John Lennon fan (imagine) southafrica is a country full of savage people kill each other by the shed load every day he alone is responsible for this Johannesburg alone (1 city) 50 murders a day 800 serious assaults 150 rapes 350 aggravated robberies these figures are logged by corrupt police goodess knows the true numbers so if you want my opinion and i know you don't but your getting it any way letting this terrorist go unleashed an ideology that we can do what ever we want we are FREE to do so so is it going to snow this year or what reg reg
  • Score: 12

2:44pm Fri 6 Dec 13

wormshero says...

"Johannesburg alone (1 city)
50 murders a day
800 serious assaults
150 rapes
350 aggravated robberies "

Where are you getting these statistics from? The South African Police Services stats for the entire region Johannesburg falls into are 8 murders per day, 110 serious asaults, 33 sexual crimes, 98 aggravated robberies. Not good, but not as bad as pointed out either. Like 4-5 new yorks. That is looking at a population nearly twice as big too.
"Johannesburg alone (1 city) 50 murders a day 800 serious assaults 150 rapes 350 aggravated robberies " Where are you getting these statistics from? The South African Police Services stats for the entire region Johannesburg falls into are 8 murders per day, 110 serious asaults, 33 sexual crimes, 98 aggravated robberies. Not good, but not as bad as pointed out either. Like 4-5 new yorks. That is looking at a population nearly twice as big too. wormshero
  • Score: -8

3:20pm Fri 6 Dec 13

profondo asbo says...

boet can you spare a kim gandage rant?
boet can you spare a kim gandage rant? profondo asbo
  • Score: -3

4:03pm Fri 6 Dec 13

pixiebell87 says...

DISGUSTED with the lack of respect some of you people have!
DISGUSTED with the lack of respect some of you people have! pixiebell87
  • Score: -10

4:13pm Fri 6 Dec 13

reg reg says...

wormshero wrote:
"Johannesburg alone (1 city)
50 murders a day
800 serious assaults
150 rapes
350 aggravated robberies "

Where are you getting these statistics from? The South African Police Services stats for the entire region Johannesburg falls into are 8 murders per day, 110 serious asaults, 33 sexual crimes, 98 aggravated robberies. Not good, but not as bad as pointed out either. Like 4-5 new yorks. That is looking at a population nearly twice as big too.
Johannesburg – The Most Dangerous City in the World
posted by Tom Davis
Sorry to give Joburg, South Africa, bad press, but truth is truth. Johannesburg is the most dangerous, deadly city on our planet. Recent stats show that there are over 50 murders per day, 700 assaults, 356 aggravated robberies, and 150 rapes. People, that’s more deadly than Iraq. And they are hosting the 2010 World Cup? You can read the gory details in an article by Reuters/Africa here. My buddy, Gary Black is there now picking up his wife, Lisa. Be careful Black family! The good news is that they are at least trying to make the place safer for The Cup by adding 11,000 new police every year. You can read the hyped up, overly positive version Here. One of the key reasons this happens in South Africa is the dividing line between the rich and poor. The rich live in luxury and look off their decks and the poor who are starving in the valley. And they don’t care. No compassion, no kindness, nothing. Apathy is the worst kind of sin and if compassion doesn’t take over in some way, there will be more bloodshed on the horizon.


Read more: http://www.beliefnet
.com/columnists/redl
etters/2007/04/johan
essburg-th.html#ixzz
2miCR1tcc

FROM HERE OK
[quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: "Johannesburg alone (1 city) 50 murders a day 800 serious assaults 150 rapes 350 aggravated robberies " Where are you getting these statistics from? The South African Police Services stats for the entire region Johannesburg falls into are 8 murders per day, 110 serious asaults, 33 sexual crimes, 98 aggravated robberies. Not good, but not as bad as pointed out either. Like 4-5 new yorks. That is looking at a population nearly twice as big too.[/p][/quote]Johannesburg – The Most Dangerous City in the World posted by Tom Davis Sorry to give Joburg, South Africa, bad press, but truth is truth. Johannesburg is the most dangerous, deadly city on our planet. Recent stats show that there are over 50 murders per day, 700 assaults, 356 aggravated robberies, and 150 rapes. People, that’s more deadly than Iraq. And they are hosting the 2010 World Cup? You can read the gory details in an article by Reuters/Africa here. My buddy, Gary Black is there now picking up his wife, Lisa. Be careful Black family! The good news is that they are at least trying to make the place safer for The Cup by adding 11,000 new police every year. You can read the hyped up, overly positive version Here. One of the key reasons this happens in South Africa is the dividing line between the rich and poor. The rich live in luxury and look off their decks and the poor who are starving in the valley. And they don’t care. No compassion, no kindness, nothing. Apathy is the worst kind of sin and if compassion doesn’t take over in some way, there will be more bloodshed on the horizon. Read more: http://www.beliefnet .com/columnists/redl etters/2007/04/johan essburg-th.html#ixzz 2miCR1tcc FROM HERE OK reg reg
  • Score: 12

4:17pm Fri 6 Dec 13

reg reg says...

profondo asbo wrote:
boet can you spare a kim gandage rant?
respect ?
what like jerry Adams and martin mcGuinness should have ?
former leaders of a terrorist organisation turned politicians .
so go on should we feel the same when they go ?
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: boet can you spare a kim gandage rant?[/p][/quote]respect ? what like jerry Adams and martin mcGuinness should have ? former leaders of a terrorist organisation turned politicians . so go on should we feel the same when they go ? reg reg
  • Score: 6

4:21pm Fri 6 Dec 13

reg reg says...

pixiebell87 wrote:
DISGUSTED with the lack of respect some of you people have!
respect ?
what like jerry Adams and martin mcGuinness should have ?
former leaders of a terrorist organisation turned politicians .
so go on should we feel the same when they go ?
[quote][p][bold]pixiebell87[/bold] wrote: DISGUSTED with the lack of respect some of you people have![/p][/quote]respect ? what like jerry Adams and martin mcGuinness should have ? former leaders of a terrorist organisation turned politicians . so go on should we feel the same when they go ? reg reg
  • Score: 8

4:23pm Fri 6 Dec 13

reg reg says...

reg reg wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
boet can you spare a kim gandage rant?
respect ?
what like jerry Adams and martin mcGuinness should have ?
former leaders of a terrorist organisation turned politicians .
so go on should we feel the same when they go ?
whoooops
sorry not you got all worked up and hit the wrong reply button
[quote][p][bold]reg reg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: boet can you spare a kim gandage rant?[/p][/quote]respect ? what like jerry Adams and martin mcGuinness should have ? former leaders of a terrorist organisation turned politicians . so go on should we feel the same when they go ?[/p][/quote]whoooops sorry not you got all worked up and hit the wrong reply button reg reg
  • Score: 2

4:27pm Fri 6 Dec 13

sandgronun64 says...

reg reg wrote:
wormshero wrote:
"Johannesburg alone (1 city)
50 murders a day
800 serious assaults
150 rapes
350 aggravated robberies "

Where are you getting these statistics from? The South African Police Services stats for the entire region Johannesburg falls into are 8 murders per day, 110 serious asaults, 33 sexual crimes, 98 aggravated robberies. Not good, but not as bad as pointed out either. Like 4-5 new yorks. That is looking at a population nearly twice as big too.
Johannesburg – The Most Dangerous City in the World
posted by Tom Davis
Sorry to give Joburg, South Africa, bad press, but truth is truth. Johannesburg is the most dangerous, deadly city on our planet. Recent stats show that there are over 50 murders per day, 700 assaults, 356 aggravated robberies, and 150 rapes. People, that’s more deadly than Iraq. And they are hosting the 2010 World Cup? You can read the gory details in an article by Reuters/Africa here. My buddy, Gary Black is there now picking up his wife, Lisa. Be careful Black family! The good news is that they are at least trying to make the place safer for The Cup by adding 11,000 new police every year. You can read the hyped up, overly positive version Here. One of the key reasons this happens in South Africa is the dividing line between the rich and poor. The rich live in luxury and look off their decks and the poor who are starving in the valley. And they don’t care. No compassion, no kindness, nothing. Apathy is the worst kind of sin and if compassion doesn’t take over in some way, there will be more bloodshed on the horizon.


Read more: http://www.beliefnet

.com/columnists/redl

etters/2007/04/johan

essburg-th.html#ixzz

2miCR1tcc

FROM HERE OK
Also from beliefnet.com, TODAY (i.e. not from a posting dating back some 3 years) Nelson Mandela has long been a worldwide inspirational icon. He is considered a hero for standing up against apartheid and serving 26 years in prison for fighting for what he believed was right.

Seems your source site is full of contrasting views?
(This is after all a story about Nelson mandella, not crime rates in South Africa)
[quote][p][bold]reg reg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: "Johannesburg alone (1 city) 50 murders a day 800 serious assaults 150 rapes 350 aggravated robberies " Where are you getting these statistics from? The South African Police Services stats for the entire region Johannesburg falls into are 8 murders per day, 110 serious asaults, 33 sexual crimes, 98 aggravated robberies. Not good, but not as bad as pointed out either. Like 4-5 new yorks. That is looking at a population nearly twice as big too.[/p][/quote]Johannesburg – The Most Dangerous City in the World posted by Tom Davis Sorry to give Joburg, South Africa, bad press, but truth is truth. Johannesburg is the most dangerous, deadly city on our planet. Recent stats show that there are over 50 murders per day, 700 assaults, 356 aggravated robberies, and 150 rapes. People, that’s more deadly than Iraq. And they are hosting the 2010 World Cup? You can read the gory details in an article by Reuters/Africa here. My buddy, Gary Black is there now picking up his wife, Lisa. Be careful Black family! The good news is that they are at least trying to make the place safer for The Cup by adding 11,000 new police every year. You can read the hyped up, overly positive version Here. One of the key reasons this happens in South Africa is the dividing line between the rich and poor. The rich live in luxury and look off their decks and the poor who are starving in the valley. And they don’t care. No compassion, no kindness, nothing. Apathy is the worst kind of sin and if compassion doesn’t take over in some way, there will be more bloodshed on the horizon. Read more: http://www.beliefnet .com/columnists/redl etters/2007/04/johan essburg-th.html#ixzz 2miCR1tcc FROM HERE OK[/p][/quote]Also from beliefnet.com, TODAY (i.e. not from a posting dating back some 3 years) Nelson Mandela has long been a worldwide inspirational icon. He is considered a hero for standing up against apartheid and serving 26 years in prison for fighting for what he believed was right. Seems your source site is full of contrasting views? (This is after all a story about Nelson mandella, not crime rates in South Africa) sandgronun64
  • Score: -8

4:32pm Fri 6 Dec 13

reg reg says...

sandgronun64 wrote:
reg reg wrote:
wormshero wrote:
"Johannesburg alone (1 city)
50 murders a day
800 serious assaults
150 rapes
350 aggravated robberies "

Where are you getting these statistics from? The South African Police Services stats for the entire region Johannesburg falls into are 8 murders per day, 110 serious asaults, 33 sexual crimes, 98 aggravated robberies. Not good, but not as bad as pointed out either. Like 4-5 new yorks. That is looking at a population nearly twice as big too.
Johannesburg – The Most Dangerous City in the World
posted by Tom Davis
Sorry to give Joburg, South Africa, bad press, but truth is truth. Johannesburg is the most dangerous, deadly city on our planet. Recent stats show that there are over 50 murders per day, 700 assaults, 356 aggravated robberies, and 150 rapes. People, that’s more deadly than Iraq. And they are hosting the 2010 World Cup? You can read the gory details in an article by Reuters/Africa here. My buddy, Gary Black is there now picking up his wife, Lisa. Be careful Black family! The good news is that they are at least trying to make the place safer for The Cup by adding 11,000 new police every year. You can read the hyped up, overly positive version Here. One of the key reasons this happens in South Africa is the dividing line between the rich and poor. The rich live in luxury and look off their decks and the poor who are starving in the valley. And they don’t care. No compassion, no kindness, nothing. Apathy is the worst kind of sin and if compassion doesn’t take over in some way, there will be more bloodshed on the horizon.


Read more: http://www.beliefnet


.com/columnists/redl


etters/2007/04/johan


essburg-th.html#ixzz


2miCR1tcc

FROM HERE OK
Also from beliefnet.com, TODAY (i.e. not from a posting dating back some 3 years) Nelson Mandela has long been a worldwide inspirational icon. He is considered a hero for standing up against apartheid and serving 26 years in prison for fighting for what he believed was right.

Seems your source site is full of contrasting views?
(This is after all a story about Nelson mandella, not crime rates in South Africa)
http://www.thetrutha
boutsouthafrica.com/
p/ancs-black-on-blac
k-killing-spree.html

is it ? well read this then this is his party
[quote][p][bold]sandgronun64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reg reg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: "Johannesburg alone (1 city) 50 murders a day 800 serious assaults 150 rapes 350 aggravated robberies " Where are you getting these statistics from? The South African Police Services stats for the entire region Johannesburg falls into are 8 murders per day, 110 serious asaults, 33 sexual crimes, 98 aggravated robberies. Not good, but not as bad as pointed out either. Like 4-5 new yorks. That is looking at a population nearly twice as big too.[/p][/quote]Johannesburg – The Most Dangerous City in the World posted by Tom Davis Sorry to give Joburg, South Africa, bad press, but truth is truth. Johannesburg is the most dangerous, deadly city on our planet. Recent stats show that there are over 50 murders per day, 700 assaults, 356 aggravated robberies, and 150 rapes. People, that’s more deadly than Iraq. And they are hosting the 2010 World Cup? You can read the gory details in an article by Reuters/Africa here. My buddy, Gary Black is there now picking up his wife, Lisa. Be careful Black family! The good news is that they are at least trying to make the place safer for The Cup by adding 11,000 new police every year. You can read the hyped up, overly positive version Here. One of the key reasons this happens in South Africa is the dividing line between the rich and poor. The rich live in luxury and look off their decks and the poor who are starving in the valley. And they don’t care. No compassion, no kindness, nothing. Apathy is the worst kind of sin and if compassion doesn’t take over in some way, there will be more bloodshed on the horizon. Read more: http://www.beliefnet .com/columnists/redl etters/2007/04/johan essburg-th.html#ixzz 2miCR1tcc FROM HERE OK[/p][/quote]Also from beliefnet.com, TODAY (i.e. not from a posting dating back some 3 years) Nelson Mandela has long been a worldwide inspirational icon. He is considered a hero for standing up against apartheid and serving 26 years in prison for fighting for what he believed was right. Seems your source site is full of contrasting views? (This is after all a story about Nelson mandella, not crime rates in South Africa)[/p][/quote]http://www.thetrutha boutsouthafrica.com/ p/ancs-black-on-blac k-killing-spree.html is it ? well read this then this is his party reg reg
  • Score: 8

6:07pm Fri 6 Dec 13

wormshero says...

reg reg wrote:
wormshero wrote:
"Johannesburg alone (1 city)
50 murders a day
800 serious assaults
150 rapes
350 aggravated robberies "

Where are you getting these statistics from? The South African Police Services stats for the entire region Johannesburg falls into are 8 murders per day, 110 serious asaults, 33 sexual crimes, 98 aggravated robberies. Not good, but not as bad as pointed out either. Like 4-5 new yorks. That is looking at a population nearly twice as big too.
Johannesburg – The Most Dangerous City in the World
posted by Tom Davis
Sorry to give Joburg, South Africa, bad press, but truth is truth. Johannesburg is the most dangerous, deadly city on our planet. Recent stats show that there are over 50 murders per day, 700 assaults, 356 aggravated robberies, and 150 rapes. People, that’s more deadly than Iraq. And they are hosting the 2010 World Cup? You can read the gory details in an article by Reuters/Africa here. My buddy, Gary Black is there now picking up his wife, Lisa. Be careful Black family! The good news is that they are at least trying to make the place safer for The Cup by adding 11,000 new police every year. You can read the hyped up, overly positive version Here. One of the key reasons this happens in South Africa is the dividing line between the rich and poor. The rich live in luxury and look off their decks and the poor who are starving in the valley. And they don’t care. No compassion, no kindness, nothing. Apathy is the worst kind of sin and if compassion doesn’t take over in some way, there will be more bloodshed on the horizon.


Read more: http://www.beliefnet

.com/columnists/redl

etters/2007/04/johan

essburg-th.html#ixzz

2miCR1tcc

FROM HERE OK
A six year old source? Funny that you choose to use an old extreme set of figures from an unreliable source rather than the more reasonable raw data from the best possible source...
[quote][p][bold]reg reg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wormshero[/bold] wrote: "Johannesburg alone (1 city) 50 murders a day 800 serious assaults 150 rapes 350 aggravated robberies " Where are you getting these statistics from? The South African Police Services stats for the entire region Johannesburg falls into are 8 murders per day, 110 serious asaults, 33 sexual crimes, 98 aggravated robberies. Not good, but not as bad as pointed out either. Like 4-5 new yorks. That is looking at a population nearly twice as big too.[/p][/quote]Johannesburg – The Most Dangerous City in the World posted by Tom Davis Sorry to give Joburg, South Africa, bad press, but truth is truth. Johannesburg is the most dangerous, deadly city on our planet. Recent stats show that there are over 50 murders per day, 700 assaults, 356 aggravated robberies, and 150 rapes. People, that’s more deadly than Iraq. And they are hosting the 2010 World Cup? You can read the gory details in an article by Reuters/Africa here. My buddy, Gary Black is there now picking up his wife, Lisa. Be careful Black family! The good news is that they are at least trying to make the place safer for The Cup by adding 11,000 new police every year. You can read the hyped up, overly positive version Here. One of the key reasons this happens in South Africa is the dividing line between the rich and poor. The rich live in luxury and look off their decks and the poor who are starving in the valley. And they don’t care. No compassion, no kindness, nothing. Apathy is the worst kind of sin and if compassion doesn’t take over in some way, there will be more bloodshed on the horizon. Read more: http://www.beliefnet .com/columnists/redl etters/2007/04/johan essburg-th.html#ixzz 2miCR1tcc FROM HERE OK[/p][/quote]A six year old source? Funny that you choose to use an old extreme set of figures from an unreliable source rather than the more reasonable raw data from the best possible source... wormshero
  • Score: -14

7:31pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
once again the left wing predominated media hides the truth. And the public swallow it. Except those of us who do NOT believe everything they read in newspapers. I reject a lot of what is online as everyone knows but where there is well documented and well researched evidence..rather than lies and conjecture....
Bloody right, Kim! The fact that the media is airbrushing out the fact he was a left-winger who led armed resistance, obviously proves the media's left-wing agenda. Turning him into somebody who wasn't left-wing at all, hiding all mention of his socialism, is exactly what the left would want, isn't it? Just like the French Resistance, the ANC chose terrorism against a democratically elected government (leftie scum must not forget, both Hitler, and apartheid, had a democratic mandate). It's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is, at the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation, and all those other commie media outlets, like the Mail, the Sun, the Telegraph, the Times, etc.

Apartheid carried on the great tradition of the 'white man's burden', and these lesser races, should have been grateful. But no, they became all uppity, they didn't know when they were well off.

Got to say, you speak much sense, for a woman. Obviously, like poor people, and blacks, you're a lesser species than a white man like me. But you do well, and I'd like to pat you on the head.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: once again the left wing predominated media hides the truth. And the public swallow it. Except those of us who do NOT believe everything they read in newspapers. I reject a lot of what is online as everyone knows but where there is well documented and well researched evidence..rather than lies and conjecture....[/p][/quote]Bloody right, Kim! The fact that the media is airbrushing out the fact he was a left-winger who led armed resistance, obviously proves the media's left-wing agenda. Turning him into somebody who wasn't left-wing at all, hiding all mention of his socialism, is exactly what the left would want, isn't it? Just like the French Resistance, the ANC chose terrorism against a democratically elected government (leftie scum must not forget, both Hitler, and apartheid, had a democratic mandate). It's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is, at the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation, and all those other commie media outlets, like the Mail, the Sun, the Telegraph, the Times, etc. Apartheid carried on the great tradition of the 'white man's burden', and these lesser races, should have been grateful. But no, they became all uppity, they didn't know when they were well off. Got to say, you speak much sense, for a woman. Obviously, like poor people, and blacks, you're a lesser species than a white man like me. But you do well, and I'd like to pat you on the head. Mail Member 4 Colchester
  • Score: -11

9:45pm Fri 6 Dec 13

costa-del-blowfly says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link...

http://www.biblebase

dministries.co.uk/wp

-content/uploads/201

3/07/Lest-We-Forget-

The-Truth-about-Nels

on-Mandela.pdf

The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi.

And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.
And there's no irony in the fact that almost every day you use these boards to condem those who seek to destroy your reputation through biased malicious websites.

Whilst I agree that Mandela would have likely been prosecuted for his actions in any western democracy. The problem is that he was prosecuted by a single party state. Who's foundation was one of division and segregation.

Your post Kim speaks volumes of your core beliefs. I suspect that you have had that post saved on your compute for several months.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: ....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link... http://www.biblebase dministries.co.uk/wp -content/uploads/201 3/07/Lest-We-Forget- The-Truth-about-Nels on-Mandela.pdf The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi. And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.[/p][/quote]And there's no irony in the fact that almost every day you use these boards to condem those who seek to destroy your reputation through biased malicious websites. Whilst I agree that Mandela would have likely been prosecuted for his actions in any western democracy. The problem is that he was prosecuted by a single party state. Who's foundation was one of division and segregation. Your post Kim speaks volumes of your core beliefs. I suspect that you have had that post saved on your compute for several months. costa-del-blowfly
  • Score: -9

11:51pm Fri 6 Dec 13

costa-del-blowfly says...

costa-del-blowfly wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link...

http://www.biblebase


dministries.co.uk/wp


-content/uploads/201


3/07/Lest-We-Forget-


The-Truth-about-Nels


on-Mandela.pdf

The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi.

And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.
And there's no irony in the fact that almost every day you use these boards to condem those who seek to destroy your reputation through biased malicious websites.

Whilst I agree that Mandela would have likely been prosecuted for his actions in any western democracy. The problem is that he was prosecuted by a single party state. Who's foundation was one of division and segregation.

Your post Kim speaks volumes of your core beliefs. I suspect that you have had that post saved on your compute for several months.
And like apartheid South Africa the only people voting here are...
[quote][p][bold]costa-del-blowfly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: ....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link... http://www.biblebase dministries.co.uk/wp -content/uploads/201 3/07/Lest-We-Forget- The-Truth-about-Nels on-Mandela.pdf The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi. And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.[/p][/quote]And there's no irony in the fact that almost every day you use these boards to condem those who seek to destroy your reputation through biased malicious websites. Whilst I agree that Mandela would have likely been prosecuted for his actions in any western democracy. The problem is that he was prosecuted by a single party state. Who's foundation was one of division and segregation. Your post Kim speaks volumes of your core beliefs. I suspect that you have had that post saved on your compute for several months.[/p][/quote]And like apartheid South Africa the only people voting here are... costa-del-blowfly
  • Score: -7

1:25am Sat 7 Dec 13

smiffy22 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link...

http://www.biblebase

dministries.co.uk/wp

-content/uploads/201

3/07/Lest-We-Forget-

The-Truth-about-Nels

on-Mandela.pdf

The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi.

And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.
Well said. I thought I was the only one irked at media weeping and a-wailing, and hero worshiping. I expect his type held back intervention by civilised nations and therfore reform and peace by decades. I am old enough to (just about) recall many of the horrific events of the seventies in that region committed by both sides.
Regards,
Smiffy22
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: ....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link... http://www.biblebase dministries.co.uk/wp -content/uploads/201 3/07/Lest-We-Forget- The-Truth-about-Nels on-Mandela.pdf The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi. And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.[/p][/quote]Well said. I thought I was the only one irked at media weeping and a-wailing, and hero worshiping. I expect his type held back intervention by civilised nations and therfore reform and peace by decades. I am old enough to (just about) recall many of the horrific events of the seventies in that region committed by both sides. Regards, Smiffy22 smiffy22
  • Score: 10

2:09am Sat 7 Dec 13

definitelymaybe says...

I was 15 and living in Southend when he got released from prison, it was a news story to me much like his election (as president, I'm not Chinese and talking about when he met the Spice Girls) and so is his death. I was in Brixton when he visited - the old women were excited and doing little dances and that but the truth is that the young kids just liked seeing a famous person. They didn't connect with his politics or struggle or equate it to their situation. The point that no one wants to make is that in Africa and to Africans around the World he really meant something but for the rest he is generationally irrelevant. RIP? Yeah of course. If you take inspiration from his life or anyone else's life for that matter, good for you. It's better than me having to read how Justin Bieber "cured my totes depression through his choice of hats lol".. What I don't get though is how it has turned into celebrity driven mass mourning of a 95 year old bloke where cameras and microphones are being shoved into people's faces to **** their shock and make sure that we can all agree on this one thing. "War in Afghan? bedroom tax? death of Mandela - YES that's definitely a bad thing." Like we are too thick to make our own minds up so we defer to individuals who do it on our behalf because they are famous. Ask Doris or Ken on the High St, they will tell you, its neither a bad nor a good thing. It's just a thing. I wish we would put this sort of combined focus on the issues that affect this country on a daily basis. Like actual politics rather than rhetoric. Aside from this, what has surprised me is how long his imprisonment and the apartheid regimen lasted when you consider how many old white South Africans and World leaders have been on my tele talking about how awful they thought it was.
I was 15 and living in Southend when he got released from prison, it was a news story to me much like his election (as president, I'm not Chinese and talking about when he met the Spice Girls) and so is his death. I was in Brixton when he visited - the old women were excited and doing little dances and that but the truth is that the young kids just liked seeing a famous person. They didn't connect with his politics or struggle or equate it to their situation. The point that no one wants to make is that in Africa and to Africans around the World he really meant something but for the rest he is generationally irrelevant. RIP? Yeah of course. If you take inspiration from his life or anyone else's life for that matter, good for you. It's better than me having to read how Justin Bieber "cured my totes depression through his choice of hats lol".. What I don't get though is how it has turned into celebrity driven mass mourning of a 95 year old bloke where cameras and microphones are being shoved into people's faces to **** their shock and make sure that we can all agree on this one thing. "War in Afghan? bedroom tax? death of Mandela - YES that's definitely a bad thing." Like we are too thick to make our own minds up so we defer to individuals who do it on our behalf because they are famous. Ask Doris or Ken on the High St, they will tell you, its neither a bad nor a good thing. It's just a thing. I wish we would put this sort of combined focus on the issues that affect this country on a daily basis. Like actual politics rather than rhetoric. Aside from this, what has surprised me is how long his imprisonment and the apartheid regimen lasted when you consider how many old white South Africans and World leaders have been on my tele talking about how awful they thought it was. definitelymaybe
  • Score: 4

8:40am Sat 7 Dec 13

Rochford Rob says...

South African ex terrorist carks it. BBC has gone into overdrive.

'Nelson Mandela dies at 95'.......

Respect where it's due...that's 5 miles an hour faster than Paul Walker...

Personally, I don't know how I'm going to cope. . . . .without reading about a gay diver and a coke snorting chef for a few days.
South African ex terrorist carks it. BBC has gone into overdrive. 'Nelson Mandela dies at 95'....... Respect where it's due...that's 5 miles an hour faster than Paul Walker... Personally, I don't know how I'm going to cope. . . . .without reading about a gay diver and a coke snorting chef for a few days. Rochford Rob
  • Score: -1

8:47am Sat 7 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

smiffy22 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link...

http://www.biblebase


dministries.co.uk/wp


-content/uploads/201


3/07/Lest-We-Forget-


The-Truth-about-Nels


on-Mandela.pdf

The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi.

And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.
Well said. I thought I was the only one irked at media weeping and a-wailing, and hero worshiping. I expect his type held back intervention by civilised nations and therfore reform and peace by decades. I am old enough to (just about) recall many of the horrific events of the seventies in that region committed by both sides.
Regards,
Smiffy22
Don't be so bloody silly, as if Mandela held up intervention. We in the West intervened to back up this wonderful system of apartheid throughout the Cold War, just as we intervened when democracy got it wrong in Chile, when the people there were silly enough to want socialism. We made sure the Chileans got what they needed, a good dose of Pinochet and the Chicago School. The terrible thing is after the Cold War ended we stopped intervening in South Africa, and allowed this bloke to win, and then he went round being really nice to his former opponents (well, he would never have done that, unless he had won, before that he was committed to winning by violence). Not having entire separation between the different races, thinking inferiors like women, poor people, and blacks, are as good as me, it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.
[quote][p][bold]smiffy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: ....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link... http://www.biblebase dministries.co.uk/wp -content/uploads/201 3/07/Lest-We-Forget- The-Truth-about-Nels on-Mandela.pdf The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi. And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.[/p][/quote]Well said. I thought I was the only one irked at media weeping and a-wailing, and hero worshiping. I expect his type held back intervention by civilised nations and therfore reform and peace by decades. I am old enough to (just about) recall many of the horrific events of the seventies in that region committed by both sides. Regards, Smiffy22[/p][/quote]Don't be so bloody silly, as if Mandela held up intervention. We in the West intervened to back up this wonderful system of apartheid throughout the Cold War, just as we intervened when democracy got it wrong in Chile, when the people there were silly enough to want socialism. We made sure the Chileans got what they needed, a good dose of Pinochet and the Chicago School. The terrible thing is after the Cold War ended we stopped intervening in South Africa, and allowed this bloke to win, and then he went round being really nice to his former opponents (well, he would never have done that, unless he had won, before that he was committed to winning by violence). Not having entire separation between the different races, thinking inferiors like women, poor people, and blacks, are as good as me, it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Mail Member 4 Colchester
  • Score: 0

12:30pm Sat 7 Dec 13

tomtheDJ says...

reg reg wrote:
profondo asbo wrote: boet can you spare a kim gandage rant?
respect ? what like jerry Adams and martin mcGuinness should have ? former leaders of a terrorist organisation turned politicians . so go on should we feel the same when they go ?
agree 100% reg reg

why is every known **** hole who passes thought of as an angel after ??
ok, maybe many years inside does make a person think straight, but as a trained lawyer come terrorist, just how would have mandela been dealt with in todays modern society ??
not in the way we saw him lately before his death.
he would have been "lost" a long time ago for his sins against fellow man.

another thing, why name roads & buildings after him in his name?
is there a known Hitler way, Hitler crescent, or Hitler building that we know of?
[quote][p][bold]reg reg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: boet can you spare a kim gandage rant?[/p][/quote]respect ? what like jerry Adams and martin mcGuinness should have ? former leaders of a terrorist organisation turned politicians . so go on should we feel the same when they go ?[/p][/quote]agree 100% reg reg why is every known **** hole who passes thought of as an angel after ?? ok, maybe many years inside does make a person think straight, but as a trained lawyer come terrorist, just how would have mandela been dealt with in todays modern society ?? not in the way we saw him lately before his death. he would have been "lost" a long time ago for his sins against fellow man. another thing, why name roads & buildings after him in his name? is there a known Hitler way, Hitler crescent, or Hitler building that we know of? tomtheDJ
  • Score: 2

12:34pm Sat 7 Dec 13

tomtheDJ says...

Rochford Rob wrote:
South African ex terrorist carks it. BBC has gone into overdrive. 'Nelson Mandela dies at 95'....... Respect where it's due...that's 5 miles an hour faster than Paul Walker... Personally, I don't know how I'm going to cope. . . . .without reading about a gay diver and a coke snorting chef for a few days.
dont be so daft, you can keep the gay driver,
oh sorry my eyes are watering,
but dont take my female chef away from me, with those eyes, looks and boobs....... makes my eyes water just looking
[quote][p][bold]Rochford Rob[/bold] wrote: South African ex terrorist carks it. BBC has gone into overdrive. 'Nelson Mandela dies at 95'....... Respect where it's due...that's 5 miles an hour faster than Paul Walker... Personally, I don't know how I'm going to cope. . . . .without reading about a gay diver and a coke snorting chef for a few days.[/p][/quote]dont be so daft, you can keep the gay driver, oh sorry my eyes are watering, but dont take my female chef away from me, with those eyes, looks and boobs....... makes my eyes water just looking tomtheDJ
  • Score: 0

1:05pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

tomtheDJ wrote:
Rochford Rob wrote:
South African ex terrorist carks it. BBC has gone into overdrive. 'Nelson Mandela dies at 95'....... Respect where it's due...that's 5 miles an hour faster than Paul Walker... Personally, I don't know how I'm going to cope. . . . .without reading about a gay diver and a coke snorting chef for a few days.
dont be so daft, you can keep the gay driver,
oh sorry my eyes are watering,
but dont take my female chef away from me, with those eyes, looks and boobs....... makes my eyes water just looking
I'm so glad you've turned up at the black Commie's dead party, Ian, it was never going to be the same without you. I'm just sick of all these bloody hypocrites like Cameron, The Sun, and The Mail. They had it right at the time (just as the Mail, and much of the Tory party did, at the German election of 1933), with their 'hang Mandela' demands. And now they're glorifying some commie lesser species, 'blackman' (sic). It just shows how the Marxist/Islamist/gay
/Jewish/feminist conspiracy has taken over. It's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.
[quote][p][bold]tomtheDJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rochford Rob[/bold] wrote: South African ex terrorist carks it. BBC has gone into overdrive. 'Nelson Mandela dies at 95'....... Respect where it's due...that's 5 miles an hour faster than Paul Walker... Personally, I don't know how I'm going to cope. . . . .without reading about a gay diver and a coke snorting chef for a few days.[/p][/quote]dont be so daft, you can keep the gay driver, oh sorry my eyes are watering, but dont take my female chef away from me, with those eyes, looks and boobs....... makes my eyes water just looking[/p][/quote]I'm so glad you've turned up at the black Commie's dead party, Ian, it was never going to be the same without you. I'm just sick of all these bloody hypocrites like Cameron, The Sun, and The Mail. They had it right at the time (just as the Mail, and much of the Tory party did, at the German election of 1933), with their 'hang Mandela' demands. And now they're glorifying some commie lesser species, 'blackman' (sic). It just shows how the Marxist/Islamist/gay /Jewish/feminist conspiracy has taken over. It's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Mail Member 4 Colchester
  • Score: 2

2:33pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Rochford Rob says...

I'm hoping Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness get beatified soon.

Oh, and St Tone of Bliar can join them.
I'm hoping Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness get beatified soon. Oh, and St Tone of Bliar can join them. Rochford Rob
  • Score: 4

2:56pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Lastlaugh,,. says...

Rochford Rob wrote:
I'm hoping Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness get beatified soon.

Oh, and St Tone of Bliar can join them.
Robert Peel has a lot to answer for if you're anything to go by!
[quote][p][bold]Rochford Rob[/bold] wrote: I'm hoping Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness get beatified soon. Oh, and St Tone of Bliar can join them.[/p][/quote]Robert Peel has a lot to answer for if you're anything to go by! Lastlaugh,,.
  • Score: -2

6:05pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Rochford Rob says...

Lastlaugh,,. wrote:
Rochford Rob wrote:
I'm hoping Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness get beatified soon.

Oh, and St Tone of Bliar can join them.
Robert Peel has a lot to answer for if you're anything to go by!
Trust you to come out in support of three terrorists and a man with the blood of thousands on his hands and millions in the bank for doing so.
[quote][p][bold]Lastlaugh,,.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rochford Rob[/bold] wrote: I'm hoping Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness get beatified soon. Oh, and St Tone of Bliar can join them.[/p][/quote]Robert Peel has a lot to answer for if you're anything to go by![/p][/quote]Trust you to come out in support of three terrorists and a man with the blood of thousands on his hands and millions in the bank for doing so. Rochford Rob
  • Score: 1

6:31pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Lastlaugh,,. says...

Rochford Rob wrote:
Lastlaugh,,. wrote:
Rochford Rob wrote:
I'm hoping Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness get beatified soon.

Oh, and St Tone of Bliar can join them.
Robert Peel has a lot to answer for if you're anything to go by!
Trust you to come out in support of three terrorists and a man with the blood of thousands on his hands and millions in the bank for doing so.
Oh dear the desperation to try association poor fellow...wishing the death of fellow human beings whilst trying to take the moral high ground...did not those you mention do the same?

The man who the article is about put himself above such things to effect changes...yet you use the space to him to lower the tone to man being predator to man

"Robert Peel has a lot to answer for if you're anything to go by" seems to have been proven by your post...
[quote][p][bold]Rochford Rob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lastlaugh,,.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rochford Rob[/bold] wrote: I'm hoping Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness get beatified soon. Oh, and St Tone of Bliar can join them.[/p][/quote]Robert Peel has a lot to answer for if you're anything to go by![/p][/quote]Trust you to come out in support of three terrorists and a man with the blood of thousands on his hands and millions in the bank for doing so.[/p][/quote]Oh dear the desperation to try association poor fellow...wishing the death of fellow human beings whilst trying to take the moral high ground...did not those you mention do the same? The man who the article is about put himself above such things to effect changes...yet you use the space to him to lower the tone to man being predator to man "Robert Peel has a lot to answer for if you're anything to go by" seems to have been proven by your post... Lastlaugh,,.
  • Score: 0

11:23pm Sat 7 Dec 13

smiffy22 says...

Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
smiffy22 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link...

http://www.biblebase



dministries.co.uk/wp



-content/uploads/201



3/07/Lest-We-Forget-



The-Truth-about-Nels



on-Mandela.pdf

The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi.

And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.
Well said. I thought I was the only one irked at media weeping and a-wailing, and hero worshiping. I expect his type held back intervention by civilised nations and therfore reform and peace by decades. I am old enough to (just about) recall many of the horrific events of the seventies in that region committed by both sides.
Regards,
Smiffy22
Don't be so bloody silly, as if Mandela held up intervention. We in the West intervened to back up this wonderful system of apartheid throughout the Cold War, just as we intervened when democracy got it wrong in Chile, when the people there were silly enough to want socialism. We made sure the Chileans got what they needed, a good dose of Pinochet and the Chicago School. The terrible thing is after the Cold War ended we stopped intervening in South Africa, and allowed this bloke to win, and then he went round being really nice to his former opponents (well, he would never have done that, unless he had won, before that he was committed to winning by violence). Not having entire separation between the different races, thinking inferiors like women, poor people, and blacks, are as good as me, it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.
Public opinion was for many, many decades anti-apartheid, but the violence committed by groups organised by the likes of Mr Mandela (against fellow blacks as much as against the white run state) held back the extra push by the people of the world needed to see the end of apartheid. Political and military machination has always led to interference one way or another, but the really significant changes usually need to have drive originating from a more unanimous world opinion.
Regards,
Smiffy22
[quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smiffy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: ....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link... http://www.biblebase dministries.co.uk/wp -content/uploads/201 3/07/Lest-We-Forget- The-Truth-about-Nels on-Mandela.pdf The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi. And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.[/p][/quote]Well said. I thought I was the only one irked at media weeping and a-wailing, and hero worshiping. I expect his type held back intervention by civilised nations and therfore reform and peace by decades. I am old enough to (just about) recall many of the horrific events of the seventies in that region committed by both sides. Regards, Smiffy22[/p][/quote]Don't be so bloody silly, as if Mandela held up intervention. We in the West intervened to back up this wonderful system of apartheid throughout the Cold War, just as we intervened when democracy got it wrong in Chile, when the people there were silly enough to want socialism. We made sure the Chileans got what they needed, a good dose of Pinochet and the Chicago School. The terrible thing is after the Cold War ended we stopped intervening in South Africa, and allowed this bloke to win, and then he went round being really nice to his former opponents (well, he would never have done that, unless he had won, before that he was committed to winning by violence). Not having entire separation between the different races, thinking inferiors like women, poor people, and blacks, are as good as me, it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.[/p][/quote]Public opinion was for many, many decades anti-apartheid, but the violence committed by groups organised by the likes of Mr Mandela (against fellow blacks as much as against the white run state) held back the extra push by the people of the world needed to see the end of apartheid. Political and military machination has always led to interference one way or another, but the really significant changes usually need to have drive originating from a more unanimous world opinion. Regards, Smiffy22 smiffy22
  • Score: 0

8:16am Sun 8 Dec 13

Rochford Rob says...

The world's worst and most idiotic troll wrote:

"Robert Peel has a lot to answer for if you're anything to go by" seems to have been proven by your post..."

Yes, of course he has given he died hundreds of years ago. What possible relevance is that in reference to this? I might as well claim that your career in shoddy tarmaccing has something to do with if you are to take that line.

You sad deluded moron.
The world's worst and most idiotic troll wrote: "Robert Peel has a lot to answer for if you're anything to go by" seems to have been proven by your post..." Yes, of course he has given he died hundreds of years ago. What possible relevance is that in reference to this? I might as well claim that your career in shoddy tarmaccing has something to do with if you are to take that line. You sad deluded moron. Rochford Rob
  • Score: 1

10:09am Sun 8 Dec 13

Mail Member 4 Colchester says...

smiffy22 wrote:
Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
smiffy22 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link...

http://www.biblebase




dministries.co.uk/wp




-content/uploads/201




3/07/Lest-We-Forget-




The-Truth-about-Nels




on-Mandela.pdf

The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi.

And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.
Well said. I thought I was the only one irked at media weeping and a-wailing, and hero worshiping. I expect his type held back intervention by civilised nations and therfore reform and peace by decades. I am old enough to (just about) recall many of the horrific events of the seventies in that region committed by both sides.
Regards,
Smiffy22
Don't be so bloody silly, as if Mandela held up intervention. We in the West intervened to back up this wonderful system of apartheid throughout the Cold War, just as we intervened when democracy got it wrong in Chile, when the people there were silly enough to want socialism. We made sure the Chileans got what they needed, a good dose of Pinochet and the Chicago School. The terrible thing is after the Cold War ended we stopped intervening in South Africa, and allowed this bloke to win, and then he went round being really nice to his former opponents (well, he would never have done that, unless he had won, before that he was committed to winning by violence). Not having entire separation between the different races, thinking inferiors like women, poor people, and blacks, are as good as me, it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.
Public opinion was for many, many decades anti-apartheid, but the violence committed by groups organised by the likes of Mr Mandela (against fellow blacks as much as against the white run state) held back the extra push by the people of the world needed to see the end of apartheid. Political and military machination has always led to interference one way or another, but the really significant changes usually need to have drive originating from a more unanimous world opinion.
Regards,
Smiffy22
Out of interest, what historical evidence can you point to back up what you're saying (other than the stupid public's opinion that there was anything wrong with apartheid)? I can point to the magnificent Maggie's unflinching support of apartheid, western arms sales that allowed the regime to violently put down the opposition, strong trade links, massive establishment opposition to the sporting boycott (Cameron tried to do something about this in '89, when he travelled to South Africa on behalf of a pro-apartheid, anti-boycott lobbying firm), and the fact the regime was a very good friend of the west. Maggie even managed to keep this going in the face of overwhelming public opposition, where even all these beat combo stars sang songs in support of Mandela and packed out Wembley Stadium. Now I don't if it was the end of the marvellous Mags, or the end of the Cold War, but for some reason this support seem to slip away as the 80s turned into the 90s, and very quickly, the regime came toppling down.

Smiffy, you're obviously a good lad, being prepared to speak out about Mandela when the rest of the world is fawning over him, shows your racist heart is in the (far) right place. But it seems your brain just isn't racist enough.

There's just too much of these lesser peoples like women, poor people, and blacks, thinking they're as good as me, around these days. It's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.
[quote][p][bold]smiffy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smiffy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: ....and the REAL side of the story is well documented... here is a well researched article...and no it is not religious or preachy despite the link... http://www.biblebase dministries.co.uk/wp -content/uploads/201 3/07/Lest-We-Forget- The-Truth-about-Nels on-Mandela.pdf The truth is in short that Mandela was a Marxist who sided with Khomeini, Castro and Gaddafi. And look up Mandela and necklacing... not nice reading.[/p][/quote]Well said. I thought I was the only one irked at media weeping and a-wailing, and hero worshiping. I expect his type held back intervention by civilised nations and therfore reform and peace by decades. I am old enough to (just about) recall many of the horrific events of the seventies in that region committed by both sides. Regards, Smiffy22[/p][/quote]Don't be so bloody silly, as if Mandela held up intervention. We in the West intervened to back up this wonderful system of apartheid throughout the Cold War, just as we intervened when democracy got it wrong in Chile, when the people there were silly enough to want socialism. We made sure the Chileans got what they needed, a good dose of Pinochet and the Chicago School. The terrible thing is after the Cold War ended we stopped intervening in South Africa, and allowed this bloke to win, and then he went round being really nice to his former opponents (well, he would never have done that, unless he had won, before that he was committed to winning by violence). Not having entire separation between the different races, thinking inferiors like women, poor people, and blacks, are as good as me, it's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.[/p][/quote]Public opinion was for many, many decades anti-apartheid, but the violence committed by groups organised by the likes of Mr Mandela (against fellow blacks as much as against the white run state) held back the extra push by the people of the world needed to see the end of apartheid. Political and military machination has always led to interference one way or another, but the really significant changes usually need to have drive originating from a more unanimous world opinion. Regards, Smiffy22[/p][/quote]Out of interest, what historical evidence can you point to back up what you're saying (other than the stupid public's opinion that there was anything wrong with apartheid)? I can point to the magnificent Maggie's unflinching support of apartheid, western arms sales that allowed the regime to violently put down the opposition, strong trade links, massive establishment opposition to the sporting boycott (Cameron tried to do something about this in '89, when he travelled to South Africa on behalf of a pro-apartheid, anti-boycott lobbying firm), and the fact the regime was a very good friend of the west. Maggie even managed to keep this going in the face of overwhelming public opposition, where even all these beat combo stars sang songs in support of Mandela and packed out Wembley Stadium. Now I don't if it was the end of the marvellous Mags, or the end of the Cold War, but for some reason this support seem to slip away as the 80s turned into the 90s, and very quickly, the regime came toppling down. Smiffy, you're obviously a good lad, being prepared to speak out about Mandela when the rest of the world is fawning over him, shows your racist heart is in the (far) right place. But it seems your brain just isn't racist enough. There's just too much of these lesser peoples like women, poor people, and blacks, thinking they're as good as me, around these days. It's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is. Mail Member 4 Colchester
  • Score: 2

4:30pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Rochford Rob says...

Maggie Thatcher helped break apartheid.

I suggest you do some reading on the subject.
Maggie Thatcher helped break apartheid. I suggest you do some reading on the subject. Rochford Rob
  • Score: 0

8:51pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Lastlaugh,,. says...

Rochford Rob wrote:
The world's worst and most idiotic troll wrote:

"Robert Peel has a lot to answer for if you're anything to go by" seems to have been proven by your post..."

Yes, of course he has given he died hundreds of years ago. What possible relevance is that in reference to this? I might as well claim that your career in shoddy tarmaccing has something to do with if you are to take that line.

You sad deluded moron.
Rochfords Booby definition of a troll being anyone who disagrees with this extreme right-wing ideology!

I can assure you if I ever tarmacced it wouldn't be shoddy..nor falsified, or misrepresented or reported as something other that it was...can you say the same...considering how you have reported on here how old sweats (policemen) did just that...did you?

More reason to consider RP has a lot to answer for..
[quote][p][bold]Rochford Rob[/bold] wrote: The world's worst and most idiotic troll wrote: "Robert Peel has a lot to answer for if you're anything to go by" seems to have been proven by your post..." Yes, of course he has given he died hundreds of years ago. What possible relevance is that in reference to this? I might as well claim that your career in shoddy tarmaccing has something to do with if you are to take that line. You sad deluded moron.[/p][/quote]Rochfords Booby definition of a troll being anyone who disagrees with this extreme right-wing ideology! I can assure you if I ever tarmacced it wouldn't be shoddy..nor falsified, or misrepresented or reported as something other that it was...can you say the same...considering how you have reported on here how old sweats (policemen) did just that...did you? More reason to consider RP has a lot to answer for.. Lastlaugh,,.
  • Score: -2

10:33pm Sun 8 Dec 13

25414nora says...

Mandela. Saint or sinner?. You Choose... The African continent, more especially South Africa (Rhodesia) Rich in natural resources. Copper, Tin, Zinc, Jute, Hemp, Cotton, rubber, Gold, etc. Britain colonised and exploited that country (among others) for many years. We built up our great industrial might on the backs of slavery and exploitation..(to cut a long story short) Mandela came along and pushed forward the process of fair play and freedom for his people. Hence today (again to cut a long story short) Britain is paying through it's nose for the same imports we used to get for practically Nix.
Could be why our standard of living is dropping like a stone.
Mandela. Saint or sinner?. You Choose... The African continent, more especially South Africa (Rhodesia) Rich in natural resources. Copper, Tin, Zinc, Jute, Hemp, Cotton, rubber, Gold, etc. Britain colonised and exploited that country (among others) for many years. We built up our great industrial might on the backs of slavery and exploitation..(to cut a long story short) Mandela came along and pushed forward the process of fair play and freedom for his people. Hence today (again to cut a long story short) Britain is paying through it's nose for the same imports we used to get for practically Nix. Could be why our standard of living is dropping like a stone. 25414nora
  • Score: 0

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