Mum and newborn left without heating and hot water for 10 days

Mum and newborn left without heating and hot water for 10 days

Mum and newborn left without heating and hot water for 10 days

First published in Local News

A MOTHER of a ten-week-old baby has criticised a housing charity after being left without hot water and heating for ten days over the festive period.

Single parent Jemma Pepper, 18, claims she has been forced to leave her home in The Leas, Canvey, after she was left without hot water since before Christmas, leaving her unable to properly care for her newborn son, Jasper.

The young mum says she was having to spend an hour ferrying saucepans of hot water upstairs just to give her baby a bath.

She said: “Having a nine-week old baby at the time, it was awful. I wanted to spend some quality time with my son over Christmas, but instead I was going from one family member’s house to the next for somewhere to stay.

“It’s been really stressful because being in an unfamiliar place my baby’s just not getting settled. Just as we’ve settled in one place we’ve had to move because my mum and my aunt just don’t have the room.

“I went back to my house the Saturday after Christmas and it still wasn’t fixed, so I phoned up the landlord and they basically told me I was not classed as an emergency. It’s just not acceptable.

I can’t stay there as it’s getting so cold now, I cannot do without proper heating.

“I was having to ferry kettles and saucepans of hot water upstairs to the bath, which is ridiculous.

“They think it’s going to snow soon or so I hear, so I hope it’ll be fixed before then.”

Miss Pepper was moved into the property by the charity Nacro after having nowhere else to go when she left social care.

A Nacro spokeswoman said: “A fault was reported to us on December 23.

“Nacro made an attempt for repair specialists to attend the property that day, however, unfortunately, Ms Pepper could not receive the repair in person at the property.

“Several other attempts have been made to arrange a convenient day for repair. A repair has now been arranged for a third time on January 3.

“Nacro is committed to ensuring all of our residents have any repairs completed with utmost urgency and we are doing everything we can to expedite this for Ms Pepper as quickly as possible.”

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7:30am Mon 6 Jan 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

sounds like Ms Pepper was always out when the repairer came even on the very same day it was reported, so what are they s'posed to do ? you have to put yourself out too you know, so easily could of had heat over christmas, live and learn.
sounds like Ms Pepper was always out when the repairer came even on the very same day it was reported, so what are they s'posed to do ? you have to put yourself out too you know, so easily could of had heat over christmas, live and learn. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 56

9:31am Mon 6 Jan 14

supermadmax says...

"I can’t stay there as it’s getting so cold now"

You can get a plug in heater for a score. Wake up.
"I can’t stay there as it’s getting so cold now" You can get a plug in heater for a score. Wake up. supermadmax
  • Score: 46

9:39am Mon 6 Jan 14

bob7 says...

Why not wash the baby in the kitchen sink as many mums have done before? A folded towel in the bottom first so it isn't slippery, quick splash, giggles, cuddle dry. What an easy life. Spend your early days in care, get given a home, get pregnant, let everyone else run about at your convenience.
Why not wash the baby in the kitchen sink as many mums have done before? A folded towel in the bottom first so it isn't slippery, quick splash, giggles, cuddle dry. What an easy life. Spend your early days in care, get given a home, get pregnant, let everyone else run about at your convenience. bob7
  • Score: 74

9:42am Mon 6 Jan 14

fletch12107 says...

18 years old, has a kid she cant afford, single parent, Just out of social care, yet wants everyone else to bail her out. I have no sympathy for her but the baby deserves better as it had no choice in its parent.
18 years old, has a kid she cant afford, single parent, Just out of social care, yet wants everyone else to bail her out. I have no sympathy for her but the baby deserves better as it had no choice in its parent. fletch12107
  • Score: 59

9:42am Mon 6 Jan 14

Bigmama1 says...

She could have moved in with family! She was only one extra person as you couldn't count a small baby requiring a bed. Why wasn't a mutually convenient time arranged? With regards to carrying hot water upstairs, how does she think we older people managed when we had our children? Central heating didn't exist! We heated water up in saucepans and bathed the children in the kitchen sink. That's the trouble with the young now,they have been used to the luxuries and haven't a clue how to manage without.
She could have moved in with family! She was only one extra person as you couldn't count a small baby requiring a bed. Why wasn't a mutually convenient time arranged? With regards to carrying hot water upstairs, how does she think we older people managed when we had our children? Central heating didn't exist! We heated water up in saucepans and bathed the children in the kitchen sink. That's the trouble with the young now,they have been used to the luxuries and haven't a clue how to manage without. Bigmama1
  • Score: 79

10:13am Mon 6 Jan 14

The Stinker Returns says...

These stories make me mad. Silly little girl. Presumably she chose this course in life to get a free home and now expects charities to run around after her. Why did she come off the social? Where's her parents?
These stories make me mad. Silly little girl. Presumably she chose this course in life to get a free home and now expects charities to run around after her. Why did she come off the social? Where's her parents? The Stinker Returns
  • Score: 41

10:23am Mon 6 Jan 14

Jack222 says...

Yep, what a whinger.
Yep, what a whinger. Jack222
  • Score: 31

10:45am Mon 6 Jan 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Bigmama1 wrote:
She could have moved in with family! She was only one extra person as you couldn't count a small baby requiring a bed. Why wasn't a mutually convenient time arranged? With regards to carrying hot water upstairs, how does she think we older people managed when we had our children? Central heating didn't exist! We heated water up in saucepans and bathed the children in the kitchen sink. That's the trouble with the young now,they have been used to the luxuries and haven't a clue how to manage without.
why carry all that water upstairs....and why is she using a bath to bath baby in, surely someone told her about the small plastic baby baths, so light and small(and silly cheap) you can bath baby downstairs and save all her efforts ferrying saucepans and kettles upstairs...besides how much boiling water does a babys bath need...not much, hopefully she is mixing with cold water also.

'some quality time at Christmas' Ms Pepper says.......surely thats every day..!! a baby is for life..not just Christmas.
[quote][p][bold]Bigmama1[/bold] wrote: She could have moved in with family! She was only one extra person as you couldn't count a small baby requiring a bed. Why wasn't a mutually convenient time arranged? With regards to carrying hot water upstairs, how does she think we older people managed when we had our children? Central heating didn't exist! We heated water up in saucepans and bathed the children in the kitchen sink. That's the trouble with the young now,they have been used to the luxuries and haven't a clue how to manage without.[/p][/quote]why carry all that water upstairs....and why is she using a bath to bath baby in, surely someone told her about the small plastic baby baths, so light and small(and silly cheap) you can bath baby downstairs and save all her efforts ferrying saucepans and kettles upstairs...besides how much boiling water does a babys bath need...not much, hopefully she is mixing with cold water also. 'some quality time at Christmas' Ms Pepper says.......surely thats every day..!! a baby is for life..not just Christmas. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 15

11:32am Mon 6 Jan 14

Kim Gandy says...

Although I have to agree with some of the comments made above, once again it's all delivered in the usual uncharitable way. And what gets me is most of the critics on here slam everybody that appears in a news story on this website.

This site reminds me of a pool of piranha...

Oh I know I criticise but it's usually for a good reason - for example if it's about Dale Farm, I actually KNOW what I'm talking about as I was a school governor in the local school and a resident there but on here you all set yourselves up as judge and jury to everyone who features in an Echo story.

And you're more than happy to keep on regurgitating all the RUMOURS about me and yet you've never even met me.

Tell me, are you all perfect? You've never made a mistake, never put a foot wrong, never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, never had anyone misunderstand what you say - or not bother to listen to everything you said in total, in order to get a more balanced view. And of course you are all paragons of virtue, sooo charitable and caring aren't you..

Funny that, the number of times on here I'VE been accused of being uncaring yet if you look I am quite balanced in my views, often commending people for good things they've done.

Funny how I don't see you lot doing the same. You know who you are.

I'm the first to criticise people for screwing the system in order to get themselves a house and benefits. However, I look at the WHOLE picture - and what offends me more is the constant influx of immigrants putting pressure on the housing system - and people who build illegal developments in the borough and contribute absolutely nothing to the community..

There are plenty of people exploiting the system if you look.

And some of the worst are in public office -- and their cronies.. They know who they are too.

You see, I make it my business to know about REAL abuses of my taxes - and highlight those. Funny thing is, those doing it are the ones that gob off the most about the rest of us. Why don't you expend your energy doing the same? Find people who really ARE a drain on public finances. People YOU have elected - or not as the case may be - and pursue them with the same degree of venom and anger as you do the likes of me. And anybody who appears on the Echo website that you don't approve of.

At least I've stood for - and held - public office; I've put myself out to help others in more ways than one, which is why I am not on here 24/7 like a lot of you curtain twitchers appear to be.

Once again, don't bother to respond. You should know by now I've gone past being interested in what you have to say.

Ye who is without sin.....
Although I have to agree with some of the comments made above, once again it's all delivered in the usual uncharitable way. And what gets me is most of the critics on here slam everybody that appears in a news story on this website. This site reminds me of a pool of piranha... Oh I know I criticise but it's usually for a good reason - for example if it's about Dale Farm, I actually KNOW what I'm talking about as I was a school governor in the local school and a resident there but on here you all set yourselves up as judge and jury to everyone who features in an Echo story. And you're more than happy to keep on regurgitating all the RUMOURS about me and yet you've never even met me. Tell me, are you all perfect? You've never made a mistake, never put a foot wrong, never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, never had anyone misunderstand what you say - or not bother to listen to everything you said in total, in order to get a more balanced view. And of course you are all paragons of virtue, sooo charitable and caring aren't you.. Funny that, the number of times on here I'VE been accused of being uncaring yet if you look I am quite balanced in my views, often commending people for good things they've done. Funny how I don't see you lot doing the same. You know who you are. I'm the first to criticise people for screwing the system in order to get themselves a house and benefits. However, I look at the WHOLE picture - and what offends me more is the constant influx of immigrants putting pressure on the housing system - and people who build illegal developments in the borough and contribute absolutely nothing to the community.. There are plenty of people exploiting the system if you look. And some of the worst are in public office -- and their cronies.. They know who they are too. You see, I make it my business to know about REAL abuses of my taxes - and highlight those. Funny thing is, those doing it are the ones that gob off the most about the rest of us. Why don't you expend your energy doing the same? Find people who really ARE a drain on public finances. People YOU have elected - or not as the case may be - and pursue them with the same degree of venom and anger as you do the likes of me. And anybody who appears on the Echo website that you don't approve of. At least I've stood for - and held - public office; I've put myself out to help others in more ways than one, which is why I am not on here 24/7 like a lot of you curtain twitchers appear to be. Once again, don't bother to respond. You should know by now I've gone past being interested in what you have to say. Ye who is without sin..... Kim Gandy
  • Score: -54

11:54am Mon 6 Jan 14

fletch12107 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Although I have to agree with some of the comments made above, once again it's all delivered in the usual uncharitable way. And what gets me is most of the critics on here slam everybody that appears in a news story on this website.

This site reminds me of a pool of piranha...

Oh I know I criticise but it's usually for a good reason - for example if it's about Dale Farm, I actually KNOW what I'm talking about as I was a school governor in the local school and a resident there but on here you all set yourselves up as judge and jury to everyone who features in an Echo story.

And you're more than happy to keep on regurgitating all the RUMOURS about me and yet you've never even met me.

Tell me, are you all perfect? You've never made a mistake, never put a foot wrong, never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, never had anyone misunderstand what you say - or not bother to listen to everything you said in total, in order to get a more balanced view. And of course you are all paragons of virtue, sooo charitable and caring aren't you..

Funny that, the number of times on here I'VE been accused of being uncaring yet if you look I am quite balanced in my views, often commending people for good things they've done.

Funny how I don't see you lot doing the same. You know who you are.

I'm the first to criticise people for screwing the system in order to get themselves a house and benefits. However, I look at the WHOLE picture - and what offends me more is the constant influx of immigrants putting pressure on the housing system - and people who build illegal developments in the borough and contribute absolutely nothing to the community..

There are plenty of people exploiting the system if you look.

And some of the worst are in public office -- and their cronies.. They know who they are too.

You see, I make it my business to know about REAL abuses of my taxes - and highlight those. Funny thing is, those doing it are the ones that gob off the most about the rest of us. Why don't you expend your energy doing the same? Find people who really ARE a drain on public finances. People YOU have elected - or not as the case may be - and pursue them with the same degree of venom and anger as you do the likes of me. And anybody who appears on the Echo website that you don't approve of.

At least I've stood for - and held - public office; I've put myself out to help others in more ways than one, which is why I am not on here 24/7 like a lot of you curtain twitchers appear to be.

Once again, don't bother to respond. You should know by now I've gone past being interested in what you have to say.

Ye who is without sin.....
I will reply to your egotistical rant and I don't care if it offends you. You have come on to this story to say you agree with most of the comments and then go off at a party political broadcast about how good you are. Well this site actively encourages comments and that what most people do. If you don't agree with others then that's fine but calling us a pool of piranhas is a tad strong as you don't know all of us. If others having a different viewpoint to yours offends then don't come on this site and keep your views nicely wrapped up in your own insecurity.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Although I have to agree with some of the comments made above, once again it's all delivered in the usual uncharitable way. And what gets me is most of the critics on here slam everybody that appears in a news story on this website. This site reminds me of a pool of piranha... Oh I know I criticise but it's usually for a good reason - for example if it's about Dale Farm, I actually KNOW what I'm talking about as I was a school governor in the local school and a resident there but on here you all set yourselves up as judge and jury to everyone who features in an Echo story. And you're more than happy to keep on regurgitating all the RUMOURS about me and yet you've never even met me. Tell me, are you all perfect? You've never made a mistake, never put a foot wrong, never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, never had anyone misunderstand what you say - or not bother to listen to everything you said in total, in order to get a more balanced view. And of course you are all paragons of virtue, sooo charitable and caring aren't you.. Funny that, the number of times on here I'VE been accused of being uncaring yet if you look I am quite balanced in my views, often commending people for good things they've done. Funny how I don't see you lot doing the same. You know who you are. I'm the first to criticise people for screwing the system in order to get themselves a house and benefits. However, I look at the WHOLE picture - and what offends me more is the constant influx of immigrants putting pressure on the housing system - and people who build illegal developments in the borough and contribute absolutely nothing to the community.. There are plenty of people exploiting the system if you look. And some of the worst are in public office -- and their cronies.. They know who they are too. You see, I make it my business to know about REAL abuses of my taxes - and highlight those. Funny thing is, those doing it are the ones that gob off the most about the rest of us. Why don't you expend your energy doing the same? Find people who really ARE a drain on public finances. People YOU have elected - or not as the case may be - and pursue them with the same degree of venom and anger as you do the likes of me. And anybody who appears on the Echo website that you don't approve of. At least I've stood for - and held - public office; I've put myself out to help others in more ways than one, which is why I am not on here 24/7 like a lot of you curtain twitchers appear to be. Once again, don't bother to respond. You should know by now I've gone past being interested in what you have to say. Ye who is without sin.....[/p][/quote]I will reply to your egotistical rant and I don't care if it offends you. You have come on to this story to say you agree with most of the comments and then go off at a party political broadcast about how good you are. Well this site actively encourages comments and that what most people do. If you don't agree with others then that's fine but calling us a pool of piranhas is a tad strong as you don't know all of us. If others having a different viewpoint to yours offends then don't come on this site and keep your views nicely wrapped up in your own insecurity. fletch12107
  • Score: 36

12:28pm Mon 6 Jan 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
"Tell me, are you all perfect? You've never made a mistake, never put a foot wrong, never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, never had anyone misunderstand what you say - or not bother to listen to everything you said in total, in order to get a more balanced view. And of course you are all paragons of virtue, sooo charitable and caring aren't you"..


No no one is perfect probably done all those things too and everyone can be wrong...but not all of us go running to the Echo with a story that will inevitably backfire..as this one has, think the posts are telling it how it is...ask the reporter that took the story deep down they will agree and they just knew the responses this will get.

NOW if she really was told no we ain't coming for 10 days to fix it then maybe would attract more sympathy and we could join in the rant at the Housing charity,,,but when it says that the problem would have been fixed same day 23rd but Ms Pepper was not there(and a few attempts after) well surely thats not the fault of the Housing people is it, people do need to make an effort sometimes and not rely on everyone else....besides i am sure she has heat back now(as per story) as this is a few days out of date.
Kim Gandy wrote: "Tell me, are you all perfect? You've never made a mistake, never put a foot wrong, never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, never had anyone misunderstand what you say - or not bother to listen to everything you said in total, in order to get a more balanced view. And of course you are all paragons of virtue, sooo charitable and caring aren't you".. No no one is perfect probably done all those things too and everyone can be wrong...but not all of us go running to the Echo with a story that will inevitably backfire..as this one has, think the posts are telling it how it is...ask the reporter that took the story deep down they will agree and they just knew the responses this will get. NOW if she really was told no we ain't coming for 10 days to fix it then maybe would attract more sympathy and we could join in the rant at the Housing charity,,,but when it says that the problem would have been fixed same day 23rd but Ms Pepper was not there(and a few attempts after) well surely thats not the fault of the Housing people is it, people do need to make an effort sometimes and not rely on everyone else....besides i am sure she has heat back now(as per story) as this is a few days out of date. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 18

1:30pm Mon 6 Jan 14

bazza 1 says...

Sorry, but it is only the same as millions of us had to cope with when we were kids. No heating and no hot water was the norm when I was a kid in the fifties. We managed ok, for years like this. Stop moaning, the weather isn't that cold, and it doesnt take much hot water to bathe a baby. People these days really don't know when they are well off.
Sorry, but it is only the same as millions of us had to cope with when we were kids. No heating and no hot water was the norm when I was a kid in the fifties. We managed ok, for years like this. Stop moaning, the weather isn't that cold, and it doesnt take much hot water to bathe a baby. People these days really don't know when they are well off. bazza 1
  • Score: 41

2:43pm Mon 6 Jan 14

LastLaugh2 says...

bazza 1 wrote:
Sorry, but it is only the same as millions of us had to cope with when we were kids. No heating and no hot water was the norm when I was a kid in the fifties. We managed ok, for years like this. Stop moaning, the weather isn't that cold, and it doesnt take much hot water to bathe a baby. People these days really don't know when they are well off.
No real hardship, prior to the 70's we had crittal windows with a coal fire downstairs, and an outside loo, imagine the numpties of today, just getting on with it
[quote][p][bold]bazza 1[/bold] wrote: Sorry, but it is only the same as millions of us had to cope with when we were kids. No heating and no hot water was the norm when I was a kid in the fifties. We managed ok, for years like this. Stop moaning, the weather isn't that cold, and it doesnt take much hot water to bathe a baby. People these days really don't know when they are well off.[/p][/quote]No real hardship, prior to the 70's we had crittal windows with a coal fire downstairs, and an outside loo, imagine the numpties of today, just getting on with it LastLaugh2
  • Score: 36

2:52pm Mon 6 Jan 14

LastLaugh2 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Although I have to agree with some of the comments made above, once again it's all delivered in the usual uncharitable way. And what gets me is most of the critics on here slam everybody that appears in a news story on this website.

This site reminds me of a pool of piranha...

Oh I know I criticise but it's usually for a good reason - for example if it's about Dale Farm, I actually KNOW what I'm talking about as I was a school governor in the local school and a resident there but on here you all set yourselves up as judge and jury to everyone who features in an Echo story.

And you're more than happy to keep on regurgitating all the RUMOURS about me and yet you've never even met me.

Tell me, are you all perfect? You've never made a mistake, never put a foot wrong, never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, never had anyone misunderstand what you say - or not bother to listen to everything you said in total, in order to get a more balanced view. And of course you are all paragons of virtue, sooo charitable and caring aren't you..

Funny that, the number of times on here I'VE been accused of being uncaring yet if you look I am quite balanced in my views, often commending people for good things they've done.

Funny how I don't see you lot doing the same. You know who you are.

I'm the first to criticise people for screwing the system in order to get themselves a house and benefits. However, I look at the WHOLE picture - and what offends me more is the constant influx of immigrants putting pressure on the housing system - and people who build illegal developments in the borough and contribute absolutely nothing to the community..

There are plenty of people exploiting the system if you look.

And some of the worst are in public office -- and their cronies.. They know who they are too.

You see, I make it my business to know about REAL abuses of my taxes - and highlight those. Funny thing is, those doing it are the ones that gob off the most about the rest of us. Why don't you expend your energy doing the same? Find people who really ARE a drain on public finances. People YOU have elected - or not as the case may be - and pursue them with the same degree of venom and anger as you do the likes of me. And anybody who appears on the Echo website that you don't approve of.

At least I've stood for - and held - public office; I've put myself out to help others in more ways than one, which is why I am not on here 24/7 like a lot of you curtain twitchers appear to be.

Once again, don't bother to respond. You should know by now I've gone past being interested in what you have to say.

Ye who is without sin.....
Your a fine example, of vile bile.It's high time people got back to the basics, too many luxuries these days, folk are are oh so fragile, cold house is good for you
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Although I have to agree with some of the comments made above, once again it's all delivered in the usual uncharitable way. And what gets me is most of the critics on here slam everybody that appears in a news story on this website. This site reminds me of a pool of piranha... Oh I know I criticise but it's usually for a good reason - for example if it's about Dale Farm, I actually KNOW what I'm talking about as I was a school governor in the local school and a resident there but on here you all set yourselves up as judge and jury to everyone who features in an Echo story. And you're more than happy to keep on regurgitating all the RUMOURS about me and yet you've never even met me. Tell me, are you all perfect? You've never made a mistake, never put a foot wrong, never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, never had anyone misunderstand what you say - or not bother to listen to everything you said in total, in order to get a more balanced view. And of course you are all paragons of virtue, sooo charitable and caring aren't you.. Funny that, the number of times on here I'VE been accused of being uncaring yet if you look I am quite balanced in my views, often commending people for good things they've done. Funny how I don't see you lot doing the same. You know who you are. I'm the first to criticise people for screwing the system in order to get themselves a house and benefits. However, I look at the WHOLE picture - and what offends me more is the constant influx of immigrants putting pressure on the housing system - and people who build illegal developments in the borough and contribute absolutely nothing to the community.. There are plenty of people exploiting the system if you look. And some of the worst are in public office -- and their cronies.. They know who they are too. You see, I make it my business to know about REAL abuses of my taxes - and highlight those. Funny thing is, those doing it are the ones that gob off the most about the rest of us. Why don't you expend your energy doing the same? Find people who really ARE a drain on public finances. People YOU have elected - or not as the case may be - and pursue them with the same degree of venom and anger as you do the likes of me. And anybody who appears on the Echo website that you don't approve of. At least I've stood for - and held - public office; I've put myself out to help others in more ways than one, which is why I am not on here 24/7 like a lot of you curtain twitchers appear to be. Once again, don't bother to respond. You should know by now I've gone past being interested in what you have to say. Ye who is without sin.....[/p][/quote]Your a fine example, of vile bile.It's high time people got back to the basics, too many luxuries these days, folk are are oh so fragile, cold house is good for you LastLaugh2
  • Score: 11

4:11pm Mon 6 Jan 14

benfleet101 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Although I have to agree with some of the comments made above, once again it's all delivered in the usual uncharitable way. And what gets me is most of the critics on here slam everybody that appears in a news story on this website.

This site reminds me of a pool of piranha...

Oh I know I criticise but it's usually for a good reason - for example if it's about Dale Farm, I actually KNOW what I'm talking about as I was a school governor in the local school and a resident there but on here you all set yourselves up as judge and jury to everyone who features in an Echo story.

And you're more than happy to keep on regurgitating all the RUMOURS about me and yet you've never even met me.

Tell me, are you all perfect? You've never made a mistake, never put a foot wrong, never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, never had anyone misunderstand what you say - or not bother to listen to everything you said in total, in order to get a more balanced view. And of course you are all paragons of virtue, sooo charitable and caring aren't you..

Funny that, the number of times on here I'VE been accused of being uncaring yet if you look I am quite balanced in my views, often commending people for good things they've done.

Funny how I don't see you lot doing the same. You know who you are.

I'm the first to criticise people for screwing the system in order to get themselves a house and benefits. However, I look at the WHOLE picture - and what offends me more is the constant influx of immigrants putting pressure on the housing system - and people who build illegal developments in the borough and contribute absolutely nothing to the community..

There are plenty of people exploiting the system if you look.

And some of the worst are in public office -- and their cronies.. They know who they are too.

You see, I make it my business to know about REAL abuses of my taxes - and highlight those. Funny thing is, those doing it are the ones that gob off the most about the rest of us. Why don't you expend your energy doing the same? Find people who really ARE a drain on public finances. People YOU have elected - or not as the case may be - and pursue them with the same degree of venom and anger as you do the likes of me. And anybody who appears on the Echo website that you don't approve of.

At least I've stood for - and held - public office; I've put myself out to help others in more ways than one, which is why I am not on here 24/7 like a lot of you curtain twitchers appear to be.

Once again, don't bother to respond. You should know by now I've gone past being interested in what you have to say.

Ye who is without sin.....
Did I miss something... was the article about you?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Although I have to agree with some of the comments made above, once again it's all delivered in the usual uncharitable way. And what gets me is most of the critics on here slam everybody that appears in a news story on this website. This site reminds me of a pool of piranha... Oh I know I criticise but it's usually for a good reason - for example if it's about Dale Farm, I actually KNOW what I'm talking about as I was a school governor in the local school and a resident there but on here you all set yourselves up as judge and jury to everyone who features in an Echo story. And you're more than happy to keep on regurgitating all the RUMOURS about me and yet you've never even met me. Tell me, are you all perfect? You've never made a mistake, never put a foot wrong, never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, never had anyone misunderstand what you say - or not bother to listen to everything you said in total, in order to get a more balanced view. And of course you are all paragons of virtue, sooo charitable and caring aren't you.. Funny that, the number of times on here I'VE been accused of being uncaring yet if you look I am quite balanced in my views, often commending people for good things they've done. Funny how I don't see you lot doing the same. You know who you are. I'm the first to criticise people for screwing the system in order to get themselves a house and benefits. However, I look at the WHOLE picture - and what offends me more is the constant influx of immigrants putting pressure on the housing system - and people who build illegal developments in the borough and contribute absolutely nothing to the community.. There are plenty of people exploiting the system if you look. And some of the worst are in public office -- and their cronies.. They know who they are too. You see, I make it my business to know about REAL abuses of my taxes - and highlight those. Funny thing is, those doing it are the ones that gob off the most about the rest of us. Why don't you expend your energy doing the same? Find people who really ARE a drain on public finances. People YOU have elected - or not as the case may be - and pursue them with the same degree of venom and anger as you do the likes of me. And anybody who appears on the Echo website that you don't approve of. At least I've stood for - and held - public office; I've put myself out to help others in more ways than one, which is why I am not on here 24/7 like a lot of you curtain twitchers appear to be. Once again, don't bother to respond. You should know by now I've gone past being interested in what you have to say. Ye who is without sin.....[/p][/quote]Did I miss something... was the article about you? benfleet101
  • Score: 27

4:11pm Mon 6 Jan 14

niki-loo says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Although I have to agree with some of the comments made above, once again it's all delivered in the usual uncharitable way. And what gets me is most of the critics on here slam everybody that appears in a news story on this website.

This site reminds me of a pool of piranha...

Oh I know I criticise but it's usually for a good reason - for example if it's about Dale Farm, I actually KNOW what I'm talking about as I was a school governor in the local school and a resident there but on here you all set yourselves up as judge and jury to everyone who features in an Echo story.

And you're more than happy to keep on regurgitating all the RUMOURS about me and yet you've never even met me.

Tell me, are you all perfect? You've never made a mistake, never put a foot wrong, never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, never had anyone misunderstand what you say - or not bother to listen to everything you said in total, in order to get a more balanced view. And of course you are all paragons of virtue, sooo charitable and caring aren't you..

Funny that, the number of times on here I'VE been accused of being uncaring yet if you look I am quite balanced in my views, often commending people for good things they've done.

Funny how I don't see you lot doing the same. You know who you are.

I'm the first to criticise people for screwing the system in order to get themselves a house and benefits. However, I look at the WHOLE picture - and what offends me more is the constant influx of immigrants putting pressure on the housing system - and people who build illegal developments in the borough and contribute absolutely nothing to the community..

There are plenty of people exploiting the system if you look.

And some of the worst are in public office -- and their cronies.. They know who they are too.

You see, I make it my business to know about REAL abuses of my taxes - and highlight those. Funny thing is, those doing it are the ones that gob off the most about the rest of us. Why don't you expend your energy doing the same? Find people who really ARE a drain on public finances. People YOU have elected - or not as the case may be - and pursue them with the same degree of venom and anger as you do the likes of me. And anybody who appears on the Echo website that you don't approve of.

At least I've stood for - and held - public office; I've put myself out to help others in more ways than one, which is why I am not on here 24/7 like a lot of you curtain twitchers appear to be.

Once again, don't bother to respond. You should know by now I've gone past being interested in what you have to say.

Ye who is without sin.....
im not sure what this load of selfish egotistical verbal diarrhoea has to do with this story......
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Although I have to agree with some of the comments made above, once again it's all delivered in the usual uncharitable way. And what gets me is most of the critics on here slam everybody that appears in a news story on this website. This site reminds me of a pool of piranha... Oh I know I criticise but it's usually for a good reason - for example if it's about Dale Farm, I actually KNOW what I'm talking about as I was a school governor in the local school and a resident there but on here you all set yourselves up as judge and jury to everyone who features in an Echo story. And you're more than happy to keep on regurgitating all the RUMOURS about me and yet you've never even met me. Tell me, are you all perfect? You've never made a mistake, never put a foot wrong, never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, never had anyone misunderstand what you say - or not bother to listen to everything you said in total, in order to get a more balanced view. And of course you are all paragons of virtue, sooo charitable and caring aren't you.. Funny that, the number of times on here I'VE been accused of being uncaring yet if you look I am quite balanced in my views, often commending people for good things they've done. Funny how I don't see you lot doing the same. You know who you are. I'm the first to criticise people for screwing the system in order to get themselves a house and benefits. However, I look at the WHOLE picture - and what offends me more is the constant influx of immigrants putting pressure on the housing system - and people who build illegal developments in the borough and contribute absolutely nothing to the community.. There are plenty of people exploiting the system if you look. And some of the worst are in public office -- and their cronies.. They know who they are too. You see, I make it my business to know about REAL abuses of my taxes - and highlight those. Funny thing is, those doing it are the ones that gob off the most about the rest of us. Why don't you expend your energy doing the same? Find people who really ARE a drain on public finances. People YOU have elected - or not as the case may be - and pursue them with the same degree of venom and anger as you do the likes of me. And anybody who appears on the Echo website that you don't approve of. At least I've stood for - and held - public office; I've put myself out to help others in more ways than one, which is why I am not on here 24/7 like a lot of you curtain twitchers appear to be. Once again, don't bother to respond. You should know by now I've gone past being interested in what you have to say. Ye who is without sin.....[/p][/quote]im not sure what this load of selfish egotistical verbal diarrhoea has to do with this story...... niki-loo
  • Score: 22

5:17pm Mon 6 Jan 14

LastLaugh,,, says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
sounds like Ms Pepper was always out when the repairer came even on the very same day it was reported, so what are they s'posed to do ? you have to put yourself out too you know, so easily could of had heat over christmas, live and learn.
Do you always believe what those who mess up say as an excuse for messing up?

Perhaps they would only give a window ( 4/5 hours) for attending to fix the repair meaning she would have to spend hours in a freezing house with or without a newborn baby!
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: sounds like Ms Pepper was always out when the repairer came even on the very same day it was reported, so what are they s'posed to do ? you have to put yourself out too you know, so easily could of had heat over christmas, live and learn.[/p][/quote]Do you always believe what those who mess up say as an excuse for messing up? Perhaps they would only give a window ( 4/5 hours) for attending to fix the repair meaning she would have to spend hours in a freezing house with or without a newborn baby! LastLaugh,,,
  • Score: -6

5:18pm Mon 6 Jan 14

DannyButcher says...

So they tried to fix it but she was unavailable. What exactly does she expect them to do? Another case of someone moaning about being in a situation caused directly by their own actions.
So they tried to fix it but she was unavailable. What exactly does she expect them to do? Another case of someone moaning about being in a situation caused directly by their own actions. DannyButcher
  • Score: 14

5:23pm Mon 6 Jan 14

LastLaugh,,, says...

bob7 wrote:
Why not wash the baby in the kitchen sink as many mums have done before? A folded towel in the bottom first so it isn't slippery, quick splash, giggles, cuddle dry. What an easy life. Spend your early days in care, get given a home, get pregnant, let everyone else run about at your convenience.
The girl might of had a rather difficult life hence why she was in care..Its this sort of indifference to each other that make you so prone to control, loneliness, mental health issue etc etc...you really are as lacking in empathy as a tiger for a deer...only the tiger has more excuse...

There was a newborn baby in the equation?

Doesn't that mean anything?
[quote][p][bold]bob7[/bold] wrote: Why not wash the baby in the kitchen sink as many mums have done before? A folded towel in the bottom first so it isn't slippery, quick splash, giggles, cuddle dry. What an easy life. Spend your early days in care, get given a home, get pregnant, let everyone else run about at your convenience.[/p][/quote]The girl might of had a rather difficult life hence why she was in care..Its this sort of indifference to each other that make you so prone to control, loneliness, mental health issue etc etc...you really are as lacking in empathy as a tiger for a deer...only the tiger has more excuse... There was a newborn baby in the equation? Doesn't that mean anything? LastLaugh,,,
  • Score: -12

6:06pm Mon 6 Jan 14

bob7 says...

LastLaugh,,, wrote:
bob7 wrote: Why not wash the baby in the kitchen sink as many mums have done before? A folded towel in the bottom first so it isn't slippery, quick splash, giggles, cuddle dry. What an easy life. Spend your early days in care, get given a home, get pregnant, let everyone else run about at your convenience.
The girl might of had a rather difficult life hence why she was in care..Its this sort of indifference to each other that make you so prone to control, loneliness, mental health issue etc etc...you really are as lacking in empathy as a tiger for a deer...only the tiger has more excuse... There was a newborn baby in the equation? Doesn't that mean anything?
Of course I'm sympathetic to the baby but if the authorities have deemed that this young lady is a fit mother and capable of living in her own place, she should have a little more savvy. If she isn’t capable, should she still have the child?
Those of us who work have to take time off when repairs need to be done, something she doesn’t have to do. If this situation was so desperate, the baby could have been left with the grandmother for the day while mum stayed in and waited for the work to be done.
It seems that when everything is offered on a plate, some will continue to take. Sometimes a little hardship is needed to make you a better more determined and organised person.
Maybe this young lady will try to improve herself and get into work of some sort. Maybe then she will appreciate what others have to do day in day out, juggling family, work and other responsibilities instead of complaining and be thankful for what she has.
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bob7[/bold] wrote: Why not wash the baby in the kitchen sink as many mums have done before? A folded towel in the bottom first so it isn't slippery, quick splash, giggles, cuddle dry. What an easy life. Spend your early days in care, get given a home, get pregnant, let everyone else run about at your convenience.[/p][/quote]The girl might of had a rather difficult life hence why she was in care..Its this sort of indifference to each other that make you so prone to control, loneliness, mental health issue etc etc...you really are as lacking in empathy as a tiger for a deer...only the tiger has more excuse... There was a newborn baby in the equation? Doesn't that mean anything?[/p][/quote]Of course I'm sympathetic to the baby but if the authorities have deemed that this young lady is a fit mother and capable of living in her own place, she should have a little more savvy. If she isn’t capable, should she still have the child? Those of us who work have to take time off when repairs need to be done, something she doesn’t have to do. If this situation was so desperate, the baby could have been left with the grandmother for the day while mum stayed in and waited for the work to be done. It seems that when everything is offered on a plate, some will continue to take. Sometimes a little hardship is needed to make you a better more determined and organised person. Maybe this young lady will try to improve herself and get into work of some sort. Maybe then she will appreciate what others have to do day in day out, juggling family, work and other responsibilities instead of complaining and be thankful for what she has. bob7
  • Score: 29

6:21pm Mon 6 Jan 14

LastLaugh,,, says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Although I have to agree with some of the comments made above, once again it's all delivered in the usual uncharitable way. And what gets me is most of the critics on here slam everybody that appears in a news story on this website.

This site reminds me of a pool of piranha...

Oh I know I criticise but it's usually for a good reason - for example if it's about Dale Farm, I actually KNOW what I'm talking about as I was a school governor in the local school and a resident there but on here you all set yourselves up as judge and jury to everyone who features in an Echo story.

And you're more than happy to keep on regurgitating all the RUMOURS about me and yet you've never even met me.

Tell me, are you all perfect? You've never made a mistake, never put a foot wrong, never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, never had anyone misunderstand what you say - or not bother to listen to everything you said in total, in order to get a more balanced view. And of course you are all paragons of virtue, sooo charitable and caring aren't you..

Funny that, the number of times on here I'VE been accused of being uncaring yet if you look I am quite balanced in my views, often commending people for good things they've done.

Funny how I don't see you lot doing the same. You know who you are.

I'm the first to criticise people for screwing the system in order to get themselves a house and benefits. However, I look at the WHOLE picture - and what offends me more is the constant influx of immigrants putting pressure on the housing system - and people who build illegal developments in the borough and contribute absolutely nothing to the community..

There are plenty of people exploiting the system if you look.

And some of the worst are in public office -- and their cronies.. They know who they are too.

You see, I make it my business to know about REAL abuses of my taxes - and highlight those. Funny thing is, those doing it are the ones that gob off the most about the rest of us. Why don't you expend your energy doing the same? Find people who really ARE a drain on public finances. People YOU have elected - or not as the case may be - and pursue them with the same degree of venom and anger as you do the likes of me. And anybody who appears on the Echo website that you don't approve of.

At least I've stood for - and held - public office; I've put myself out to help others in more ways than one, which is why I am not on here 24/7 like a lot of you curtain twitchers appear to be.

Once again, don't bother to respond. You should know by now I've gone past being interested in what you have to say.

Ye who is without sin.....
Deary, you know nothing about Dale farm other than the limited connection as a school governor...for all the insight that would give you...bit like saying being a governor of a school with Asian children gives you any deep insight into their culture.

You whinging about people picking on you is in the same post as you pick on other people...rather strange don't you think? ( there is no comma between strange and dont)? Are only your concerns of interest or is everybody allowed to have concerns too?

But I do agree there are some very heartless people on these boards who seemed to have left their humanity and empathy way behind them..
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Although I have to agree with some of the comments made above, once again it's all delivered in the usual uncharitable way. And what gets me is most of the critics on here slam everybody that appears in a news story on this website. This site reminds me of a pool of piranha... Oh I know I criticise but it's usually for a good reason - for example if it's about Dale Farm, I actually KNOW what I'm talking about as I was a school governor in the local school and a resident there but on here you all set yourselves up as judge and jury to everyone who features in an Echo story. And you're more than happy to keep on regurgitating all the RUMOURS about me and yet you've never even met me. Tell me, are you all perfect? You've never made a mistake, never put a foot wrong, never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, never had anyone misunderstand what you say - or not bother to listen to everything you said in total, in order to get a more balanced view. And of course you are all paragons of virtue, sooo charitable and caring aren't you.. Funny that, the number of times on here I'VE been accused of being uncaring yet if you look I am quite balanced in my views, often commending people for good things they've done. Funny how I don't see you lot doing the same. You know who you are. I'm the first to criticise people for screwing the system in order to get themselves a house and benefits. However, I look at the WHOLE picture - and what offends me more is the constant influx of immigrants putting pressure on the housing system - and people who build illegal developments in the borough and contribute absolutely nothing to the community.. There are plenty of people exploiting the system if you look. And some of the worst are in public office -- and their cronies.. They know who they are too. You see, I make it my business to know about REAL abuses of my taxes - and highlight those. Funny thing is, those doing it are the ones that gob off the most about the rest of us. Why don't you expend your energy doing the same? Find people who really ARE a drain on public finances. People YOU have elected - or not as the case may be - and pursue them with the same degree of venom and anger as you do the likes of me. And anybody who appears on the Echo website that you don't approve of. At least I've stood for - and held - public office; I've put myself out to help others in more ways than one, which is why I am not on here 24/7 like a lot of you curtain twitchers appear to be. Once again, don't bother to respond. You should know by now I've gone past being interested in what you have to say. Ye who is without sin.....[/p][/quote]Deary, you know nothing about Dale farm other than the limited connection as a school governor...for all the insight that would give you...bit like saying being a governor of a school with Asian children gives you any deep insight into their culture. You whinging about people picking on you is in the same post as you pick on other people...rather strange don't you think? ( there is no comma between strange and dont)? Are only your concerns of interest or is everybody allowed to have concerns too? But I do agree there are some very heartless people on these boards who seemed to have left their humanity and empathy way behind them.. LastLaugh,,,
  • Score: -8

6:37pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Living the La Vida Legra says...

Typical social housing tenant I want! Thank god social housing ends in 2025
Typical social housing tenant I want! Thank god social housing ends in 2025 Living the La Vida Legra
  • Score: 13

6:57pm Mon 6 Jan 14

LastLaugh,,, says...

LastLaugh2 wrote:
bazza 1 wrote:
Sorry, but it is only the same as millions of us had to cope with when we were kids. No heating and no hot water was the norm when I was a kid in the fifties. We managed ok, for years like this. Stop moaning, the weather isn't that cold, and it doesnt take much hot water to bathe a baby. People these days really don't know when they are well off.
No real hardship, prior to the 70's we had crittal windows with a coal fire downstairs, and an outside loo, imagine the numpties of today, just getting on with it
So what? Just because you had to start walking on monday to get to work on friday and work 86 hours a day at pit head to put stale bread on the table doesn't mean people have to live like that today..how can anyone take you seriously? You can't even come up with your own user name...th'knows
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bazza 1[/bold] wrote: Sorry, but it is only the same as millions of us had to cope with when we were kids. No heating and no hot water was the norm when I was a kid in the fifties. We managed ok, for years like this. Stop moaning, the weather isn't that cold, and it doesnt take much hot water to bathe a baby. People these days really don't know when they are well off.[/p][/quote]No real hardship, prior to the 70's we had crittal windows with a coal fire downstairs, and an outside loo, imagine the numpties of today, just getting on with it[/p][/quote]So what? Just because you had to start walking on monday to get to work on friday and work 86 hours a day at pit head to put stale bread on the table doesn't mean people have to live like that today..how can anyone take you seriously? You can't even come up with your own user name...th'knows LastLaugh,,,
  • Score: -19

7:00pm Mon 6 Jan 14

LastLaugh,,, says...

LastLaugh2 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Although I have to agree with some of the comments made above, once again it's all delivered in the usual uncharitable way. And what gets me is most of the critics on here slam everybody that appears in a news story on this website.

This site reminds me of a pool of piranha...

Oh I know I criticise but it's usually for a good reason - for example if it's about Dale Farm, I actually KNOW what I'm talking about as I was a school governor in the local school and a resident there but on here you all set yourselves up as judge and jury to everyone who features in an Echo story.

And you're more than happy to keep on regurgitating all the RUMOURS about me and yet you've never even met me.

Tell me, are you all perfect? You've never made a mistake, never put a foot wrong, never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, never had anyone misunderstand what you say - or not bother to listen to everything you said in total, in order to get a more balanced view. And of course you are all paragons of virtue, sooo charitable and caring aren't you..

Funny that, the number of times on here I'VE been accused of being uncaring yet if you look I am quite balanced in my views, often commending people for good things they've done.

Funny how I don't see you lot doing the same. You know who you are.

I'm the first to criticise people for screwing the system in order to get themselves a house and benefits. However, I look at the WHOLE picture - and what offends me more is the constant influx of immigrants putting pressure on the housing system - and people who build illegal developments in the borough and contribute absolutely nothing to the community..

There are plenty of people exploiting the system if you look.

And some of the worst are in public office -- and their cronies.. They know who they are too.

You see, I make it my business to know about REAL abuses of my taxes - and highlight those. Funny thing is, those doing it are the ones that gob off the most about the rest of us. Why don't you expend your energy doing the same? Find people who really ARE a drain on public finances. People YOU have elected - or not as the case may be - and pursue them with the same degree of venom and anger as you do the likes of me. And anybody who appears on the Echo website that you don't approve of.

At least I've stood for - and held - public office; I've put myself out to help others in more ways than one, which is why I am not on here 24/7 like a lot of you curtain twitchers appear to be.

Once again, don't bother to respond. You should know by now I've gone past being interested in what you have to say.

Ye who is without sin.....
Your a fine example, of vile bile.It's high time people got back to the basics, too many luxuries these days, folk are are oh so fragile, cold house is good for you
Yes bring back rickets too and children up chimneys...Why i remember when men were men and bosses would whip us soundly everyday just to show they cared, ahh the good old days" dribble dribble dribble..
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Although I have to agree with some of the comments made above, once again it's all delivered in the usual uncharitable way. And what gets me is most of the critics on here slam everybody that appears in a news story on this website. This site reminds me of a pool of piranha... Oh I know I criticise but it's usually for a good reason - for example if it's about Dale Farm, I actually KNOW what I'm talking about as I was a school governor in the local school and a resident there but on here you all set yourselves up as judge and jury to everyone who features in an Echo story. And you're more than happy to keep on regurgitating all the RUMOURS about me and yet you've never even met me. Tell me, are you all perfect? You've never made a mistake, never put a foot wrong, never said the wrong thing at the wrong time, never had anyone misunderstand what you say - or not bother to listen to everything you said in total, in order to get a more balanced view. And of course you are all paragons of virtue, sooo charitable and caring aren't you.. Funny that, the number of times on here I'VE been accused of being uncaring yet if you look I am quite balanced in my views, often commending people for good things they've done. Funny how I don't see you lot doing the same. You know who you are. I'm the first to criticise people for screwing the system in order to get themselves a house and benefits. However, I look at the WHOLE picture - and what offends me more is the constant influx of immigrants putting pressure on the housing system - and people who build illegal developments in the borough and contribute absolutely nothing to the community.. There are plenty of people exploiting the system if you look. And some of the worst are in public office -- and their cronies.. They know who they are too. You see, I make it my business to know about REAL abuses of my taxes - and highlight those. Funny thing is, those doing it are the ones that gob off the most about the rest of us. Why don't you expend your energy doing the same? Find people who really ARE a drain on public finances. People YOU have elected - or not as the case may be - and pursue them with the same degree of venom and anger as you do the likes of me. And anybody who appears on the Echo website that you don't approve of. At least I've stood for - and held - public office; I've put myself out to help others in more ways than one, which is why I am not on here 24/7 like a lot of you curtain twitchers appear to be. Once again, don't bother to respond. You should know by now I've gone past being interested in what you have to say. Ye who is without sin.....[/p][/quote]Your a fine example, of vile bile.It's high time people got back to the basics, too many luxuries these days, folk are are oh so fragile, cold house is good for you[/p][/quote]Yes bring back rickets too and children up chimneys...Why i remember when men were men and bosses would whip us soundly everyday just to show they cared, ahh the good old days" dribble dribble dribble.. LastLaugh,,,
  • Score: -15

7:14pm Mon 6 Jan 14

LastLaugh,,, says...

bob7 wrote:
LastLaugh,,, wrote:
bob7 wrote: Why not wash the baby in the kitchen sink as many mums have done before? A folded towel in the bottom first so it isn't slippery, quick splash, giggles, cuddle dry. What an easy life. Spend your early days in care, get given a home, get pregnant, let everyone else run about at your convenience.
The girl might of had a rather difficult life hence why she was in care..Its this sort of indifference to each other that make you so prone to control, loneliness, mental health issue etc etc...you really are as lacking in empathy as a tiger for a deer...only the tiger has more excuse... There was a newborn baby in the equation? Doesn't that mean anything?
Of course I'm sympathetic to the baby but if the authorities have deemed that this young lady is a fit mother and capable of living in her own place, she should have a little more savvy. If she isn’t capable, should she still have the child?
Those of us who work have to take time off when repairs need to be done, something she doesn’t have to do. If this situation was so desperate, the baby could have been left with the grandmother for the day while mum stayed in and waited for the work to be done.
It seems that when everything is offered on a plate, some will continue to take. Sometimes a little hardship is needed to make you a better more determined and organised person.
Maybe this young lady will try to improve herself and get into work of some sort. Maybe then she will appreciate what others have to do day in day out, juggling family, work and other responsibilities instead of complaining and be thankful for what she has.
'the authorities' listen to yourself...the authorities presume too much because of idiots like you allowing them to..

Do authorities now vet women to see if they are a "fit mother"

You imply they do!

The mother in question was reporting a lack of water/heat not under scrutiny for neglecting her child...in fact it was the authorities who were doing that!

The fact those who work have to take time off is neither here nor there and is a strawman argument!

Could she leave her baby with someone else...would she want to? Would not some think she was neglecting her child to leave baby with someone for hours on end?

Its not all black or white is it?

What has the mothers work status got to do with lack of hot water/heating?

You post is ridiculous...you are off loading all the ills you feel are in society on this young mother because she was bereft of hot water/heating at christmas time...Just because you find yourself in the boat you're in doesn't mean all others have to be in the same one!
[quote][p][bold]bob7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bob7[/bold] wrote: Why not wash the baby in the kitchen sink as many mums have done before? A folded towel in the bottom first so it isn't slippery, quick splash, giggles, cuddle dry. What an easy life. Spend your early days in care, get given a home, get pregnant, let everyone else run about at your convenience.[/p][/quote]The girl might of had a rather difficult life hence why she was in care..Its this sort of indifference to each other that make you so prone to control, loneliness, mental health issue etc etc...you really are as lacking in empathy as a tiger for a deer...only the tiger has more excuse... There was a newborn baby in the equation? Doesn't that mean anything?[/p][/quote]Of course I'm sympathetic to the baby but if the authorities have deemed that this young lady is a fit mother and capable of living in her own place, she should have a little more savvy. If she isn’t capable, should she still have the child? Those of us who work have to take time off when repairs need to be done, something she doesn’t have to do. If this situation was so desperate, the baby could have been left with the grandmother for the day while mum stayed in and waited for the work to be done. It seems that when everything is offered on a plate, some will continue to take. Sometimes a little hardship is needed to make you a better more determined and organised person. Maybe this young lady will try to improve herself and get into work of some sort. Maybe then she will appreciate what others have to do day in day out, juggling family, work and other responsibilities instead of complaining and be thankful for what she has.[/p][/quote]'the authorities' listen to yourself...the authorities presume too much because of idiots like you allowing them to.. Do authorities now vet women to see if they are a "fit mother" You imply they do! The mother in question was reporting a lack of water/heat not under scrutiny for neglecting her child...in fact it was the authorities who were doing that! The fact those who work have to take time off is neither here nor there and is a strawman argument! Could she leave her baby with someone else...would she want to? Would not some think she was neglecting her child to leave baby with someone for hours on end? Its not all black or white is it? What has the mothers work status got to do with lack of hot water/heating? You post is ridiculous...you are off loading all the ills you feel are in society on this young mother because she was bereft of hot water/heating at christmas time...Just because you find yourself in the boat you're in doesn't mean all others have to be in the same one! LastLaugh,,,
  • Score: -14

7:47pm Mon 6 Jan 14

LastLaugh2 says...

Today, in the 21st century, with double glazing, central heating, warm bedrooms, endless hot water, comforts abound, along with colds, flu,aches and pains, why? we are having it all too easy, turn the heating off, wear a sweater, as you wallow, when not at work, track suit to bed, hot porridge for breakfast.Live into your 90's no problem.
Today, in the 21st century, with double glazing, central heating, warm bedrooms, endless hot water, comforts abound, along with colds, flu,aches and pains, why? we are having it all too easy, turn the heating off, wear a sweater, as you wallow, when not at work, track suit to bed, hot porridge for breakfast.Live into your 90's no problem. LastLaugh2
  • Score: -3

7:51pm Mon 6 Jan 14

LastLaugh,,, says...

LastLaugh2 wrote:
Today, in the 21st century, with double glazing, central heating, warm bedrooms, endless hot water, comforts abound, along with colds, flu,aches and pains, why? we are having it all too easy, turn the heating off, wear a sweater, as you wallow, when not at work, track suit to bed, hot porridge for breakfast.Live into your 90's no problem.
Until they cap living at 60... for us the masses..
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh2[/bold] wrote: Today, in the 21st century, with double glazing, central heating, warm bedrooms, endless hot water, comforts abound, along with colds, flu,aches and pains, why? we are having it all too easy, turn the heating off, wear a sweater, as you wallow, when not at work, track suit to bed, hot porridge for breakfast.Live into your 90's no problem.[/p][/quote]Until they cap living at 60... for us the masses.. LastLaugh,,,
  • Score: -4

8:25pm Mon 6 Jan 14

LastLaugh2 says...

We've all been very lucky, as for the last 12 days, it has been very mild, 10c during the day, time to open the bedroom window, and enjoy the fresh air.
We've all been very lucky, as for the last 12 days, it has been very mild, 10c during the day, time to open the bedroom window, and enjoy the fresh air. LastLaugh2
  • Score: 8

7:52am Tue 7 Jan 14

bob7 says...

Where's "dad" by the way? Shouldn't he be helping?
Where's "dad" by the way? Shouldn't he be helping? bob7
  • Score: 9

7:53am Tue 7 Jan 14

LastIaugh,,. says...

It seems I have several 'sockpuppets' these days.

Remember ersatz trolls, I'm Sparticus !!

I really should be flattered.

As for this story. No comment. Makes a change eh?
It seems I have several 'sockpuppets' these days. Remember ersatz trolls, I'm Sparticus !! I really should be flattered. As for this story. No comment. Makes a change eh? LastIaugh,,.
  • Score: -5

11:00am Tue 7 Jan 14

Eric the Red says...

bob7 wrote:
Where's "dad" by the way? Shouldn't he be helping?
Beat me to it! Benefits Britain - just do what you want and somebody who's working and paying taxes will pick up the bill.
[quote][p][bold]bob7[/bold] wrote: Where's "dad" by the way? Shouldn't he be helping?[/p][/quote]Beat me to it! Benefits Britain - just do what you want and somebody who's working and paying taxes will pick up the bill. Eric the Red
  • Score: 11

2:21pm Tue 7 Jan 14

LastLaugh,,, says...

Eric the Red wrote:
bob7 wrote:
Where's "dad" by the way? Shouldn't he be helping?
Beat me to it! Benefits Britain - just do what you want and somebody who's working and paying taxes will pick up the bill.
Working or not we ALL pay taxes..
[quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bob7[/bold] wrote: Where's "dad" by the way? Shouldn't he be helping?[/p][/quote]Beat me to it! Benefits Britain - just do what you want and somebody who's working and paying taxes will pick up the bill.[/p][/quote]Working or not we ALL pay taxes.. LastLaugh,,,
  • Score: -10

2:56pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Eric the Red says...

LastLaugh,,, wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
bob7 wrote:
Where's "dad" by the way? Shouldn't he be helping?
Beat me to it! Benefits Britain - just do what you want and somebody who's working and paying taxes will pick up the bill.
Working or not we ALL pay taxes..
Some seem to withdraw a great deal and pay very little in.
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bob7[/bold] wrote: Where's "dad" by the way? Shouldn't he be helping?[/p][/quote]Beat me to it! Benefits Britain - just do what you want and somebody who's working and paying taxes will pick up the bill.[/p][/quote]Working or not we ALL pay taxes..[/p][/quote]Some seem to withdraw a great deal and pay very little in. Eric the Red
  • Score: 7

4:35pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Letmetryagain says...

There's always either a baby or elderly person in these sob stories.

If you have a baby, you are responsible for it's welfare, nobody else.
You chose to have a baby, look after it.
There's always either a baby or elderly person in these sob stories. If you have a baby, you are responsible for it's welfare, nobody else. You chose to have a baby, look after it. Letmetryagain
  • Score: 5

5:39pm Tue 7 Jan 14

runwellian says...

LastLaugh,,, wrote:
bob7 wrote:
Why not wash the baby in the kitchen sink as many mums have done before? A folded towel in the bottom first so it isn't slippery, quick splash, giggles, cuddle dry. What an easy life. Spend your early days in care, get given a home, get pregnant, let everyone else run about at your convenience.
The girl might of had a rather difficult life hence why she was in care..Its this sort of indifference to each other that make you so prone to control, loneliness, mental health issue etc etc...you really are as lacking in empathy as a tiger for a deer...only the tiger has more excuse...

There was a newborn baby in the equation?

Doesn't that mean anything?
Why leave a tiny baby alone upstairs whilst you carry water up and down?

Babies have two parents so what happened to the responsibility of the father / grandparents on both sides of the family?

Some folk expect the state to keep them not those who chose to have child in the first place!
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bob7[/bold] wrote: Why not wash the baby in the kitchen sink as many mums have done before? A folded towel in the bottom first so it isn't slippery, quick splash, giggles, cuddle dry. What an easy life. Spend your early days in care, get given a home, get pregnant, let everyone else run about at your convenience.[/p][/quote]The girl might of had a rather difficult life hence why she was in care..Its this sort of indifference to each other that make you so prone to control, loneliness, mental health issue etc etc...you really are as lacking in empathy as a tiger for a deer...only the tiger has more excuse... There was a newborn baby in the equation? Doesn't that mean anything?[/p][/quote]Why leave a tiny baby alone upstairs whilst you carry water up and down? Babies have two parents so what happened to the responsibility of the father / grandparents on both sides of the family? Some folk expect the state to keep them not those who chose to have child in the first place! runwellian
  • Score: 3

6:27pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Ally1984 says...

No. 1 these were not her words, yet again a reporter has changed people's words
No. 2 how could she leave her baby with parents when 1 she don't see and the other works
No. 3 the father of the baby don't want to know, that's not her fault
No. 4 she did work before she had the baby
No. 5 she is in shared accommodation, with a worker that comes round once a week to make sure everything is ok (property and baby wise)
No. 6 the baby was not left alone upstairs as it's a flat, again words changed
No. 7 she pays her rent so why shouldn't her Heating and hot water work!?
No. 8 see couldn't be at the flat for the repair to be done because of Doctors appointment
No. 9 her baby comes 1st in everything, she is a good mother (I'm fed up with young mum's getting stick!)
no. 10 heating is now working but the hot water is broke again!

Anything else I've missed let me know :D

I can't stand people the read an article and think they know it all, you don't know the full story and the paper makes mistakes!
No. 1 these were not her words, yet again a reporter has changed people's words No. 2 how could she leave her baby with parents when 1 she don't see and the other works No. 3 the father of the baby don't want to know, that's not her fault No. 4 she did work before she had the baby No. 5 she is in shared accommodation, with a worker that comes round once a week to make sure everything is ok (property and baby wise) No. 6 the baby was not left alone upstairs as it's a flat, again words changed No. 7 she pays her rent so why shouldn't her Heating and hot water work!? No. 8 see couldn't be at the flat for the repair to be done because of Doctors appointment No. 9 her baby comes 1st in everything, she is a good mother (I'm fed up with young mum's getting stick!) no. 10 heating is now working but the hot water is broke again! Anything else I've missed let me know :D I can't stand people the read an article and think they know it all, you don't know the full story and the paper makes mistakes! Ally1984
  • Score: -1

6:58pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Ally1984 wrote:
No. 1 these were not her words, yet again a reporter has changed people's words
No. 2 how could she leave her baby with parents when 1 she don't see and the other works
No. 3 the father of the baby don't want to know, that's not her fault
No. 4 she did work before she had the baby
No. 5 she is in shared accommodation, with a worker that comes round once a week to make sure everything is ok (property and baby wise)
No. 6 the baby was not left alone upstairs as it's a flat, again words changed
No. 7 she pays her rent so why shouldn't her Heating and hot water work!?
No. 8 see couldn't be at the flat for the repair to be done because of Doctors appointment
No. 9 her baby comes 1st in everything, she is a good mother (I'm fed up with young mum's getting stick!)
no. 10 heating is now working but the hot water is broke again!

Anything else I've missed let me know :D

I can't stand people the read an article and think they know it all, you don't know the full story and the paper makes mistakes!
No 1 you say the heating works, yet no hot water, hows that possible?
No 2 you say see, when you really mean she.
No 3 you say shared accommodation with WORKER not landlord.
No 4 Baby is left alone, in another room.
No 5 Paying rent or flying on a trapeze, wont ensure you have heating
No 6 these are my words
[quote][p][bold]Ally1984[/bold] wrote: No. 1 these were not her words, yet again a reporter has changed people's words No. 2 how could she leave her baby with parents when 1 she don't see and the other works No. 3 the father of the baby don't want to know, that's not her fault No. 4 she did work before she had the baby No. 5 she is in shared accommodation, with a worker that comes round once a week to make sure everything is ok (property and baby wise) No. 6 the baby was not left alone upstairs as it's a flat, again words changed No. 7 she pays her rent so why shouldn't her Heating and hot water work!? No. 8 see couldn't be at the flat for the repair to be done because of Doctors appointment No. 9 her baby comes 1st in everything, she is a good mother (I'm fed up with young mum's getting stick!) no. 10 heating is now working but the hot water is broke again! Anything else I've missed let me know :D I can't stand people the read an article and think they know it all, you don't know the full story and the paper makes mistakes![/p][/quote]No 1 you say the heating works, yet no hot water, hows that possible? No 2 you say see, when you really mean she. No 3 you say shared accommodation with WORKER not landlord. No 4 Baby is left alone, in another room. No 5 Paying rent or flying on a trapeze, wont ensure you have heating No 6 these are my words Nowthatsworthknowing
  • Score: 1

7:36pm Tue 7 Jan 14

shay321 says...

poor **** I feel sorry for her..NOT...get a grip woman and try living through a war.
poor **** I feel sorry for her..NOT...get a grip woman and try living through a war. shay321
  • Score: 1

8:35pm Tue 7 Jan 14

LastLaugh,,, says...

Eric the Red wrote:
LastLaugh,,, wrote:
Eric the Red wrote:
bob7 wrote:
Where's "dad" by the way? Shouldn't he be helping?
Beat me to it! Benefits Britain - just do what you want and somebody who's working and paying taxes will pick up the bill.
Working or not we ALL pay taxes..
Some seem to withdraw a great deal and pay very little in.
"seems" is not always what it seems..but the point was the fact EVERYBODY pays tax in this country...so 'taxpayer' covers us all...just one of those media buzz words that the thick use without thinking of what they are saying or what it actually mean..
[quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bob7[/bold] wrote: Where's "dad" by the way? Shouldn't he be helping?[/p][/quote]Beat me to it! Benefits Britain - just do what you want and somebody who's working and paying taxes will pick up the bill.[/p][/quote]Working or not we ALL pay taxes..[/p][/quote]Some seem to withdraw a great deal and pay very little in.[/p][/quote]"seems" is not always what it seems..but the point was the fact EVERYBODY pays tax in this country...so 'taxpayer' covers us all...just one of those media buzz words that the thick use without thinking of what they are saying or what it actually mean.. LastLaugh,,,
  • Score: 0

8:40pm Tue 7 Jan 14

LastLaugh,,, says...

runwellian wrote:
LastLaugh,,, wrote:
bob7 wrote:
Why not wash the baby in the kitchen sink as many mums have done before? A folded towel in the bottom first so it isn't slippery, quick splash, giggles, cuddle dry. What an easy life. Spend your early days in care, get given a home, get pregnant, let everyone else run about at your convenience.
The girl might of had a rather difficult life hence why she was in care..Its this sort of indifference to each other that make you so prone to control, loneliness, mental health issue etc etc...you really are as lacking in empathy as a tiger for a deer...only the tiger has more excuse...

There was a newborn baby in the equation?

Doesn't that mean anything?
Why leave a tiny baby alone upstairs whilst you carry water up and down?

Babies have two parents so what happened to the responsibility of the father / grandparents on both sides of the family?

Some folk expect the state to keep them not those who chose to have child in the first place!
Does not the state have a duty to people?

Do a bit of research before posting about things you have no idea about..
[quote][p][bold]runwellian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LastLaugh,,,[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bob7[/bold] wrote: Why not wash the baby in the kitchen sink as many mums have done before? A folded towel in the bottom first so it isn't slippery, quick splash, giggles, cuddle dry. What an easy life. Spend your early days in care, get given a home, get pregnant, let everyone else run about at your convenience.[/p][/quote]The girl might of had a rather difficult life hence why she was in care..Its this sort of indifference to each other that make you so prone to control, loneliness, mental health issue etc etc...you really are as lacking in empathy as a tiger for a deer...only the tiger has more excuse... There was a newborn baby in the equation? Doesn't that mean anything?[/p][/quote]Why leave a tiny baby alone upstairs whilst you carry water up and down? Babies have two parents so what happened to the responsibility of the father / grandparents on both sides of the family? Some folk expect the state to keep them not those who chose to have child in the first place![/p][/quote]Does not the state have a duty to people? Do a bit of research before posting about things you have no idea about.. LastLaugh,,,
  • Score: -1

8:47pm Tue 7 Jan 14

LastLaugh,,, says...

Ally1984 wrote:
No. 1 these were not her words, yet again a reporter has changed people's words
No. 2 how could she leave her baby with parents when 1 she don't see and the other works
No. 3 the father of the baby don't want to know, that's not her fault
No. 4 she did work before she had the baby
No. 5 she is in shared accommodation, with a worker that comes round once a week to make sure everything is ok (property and baby wise)
No. 6 the baby was not left alone upstairs as it's a flat, again words changed
No. 7 she pays her rent so why shouldn't her Heating and hot water work!?
No. 8 see couldn't be at the flat for the repair to be done because of Doctors appointment
No. 9 her baby comes 1st in everything, she is a good mother (I'm fed up with young mum's getting stick!)
no. 10 heating is now working but the hot water is broke again!

Anything else I've missed let me know :D

I can't stand people the read an article and think they know it all, you don't know the full story and the paper makes mistakes!
Some of the posters on here would hesitate to help their own family members never mind strangers...they have the empathy level of the psychopath.

I hope the young lady gets her water on asap...no weather for a baby or mother to be without hot water, regardless of what the dead souls in human form on here think
[quote][p][bold]Ally1984[/bold] wrote: No. 1 these were not her words, yet again a reporter has changed people's words No. 2 how could she leave her baby with parents when 1 she don't see and the other works No. 3 the father of the baby don't want to know, that's not her fault No. 4 she did work before she had the baby No. 5 she is in shared accommodation, with a worker that comes round once a week to make sure everything is ok (property and baby wise) No. 6 the baby was not left alone upstairs as it's a flat, again words changed No. 7 she pays her rent so why shouldn't her Heating and hot water work!? No. 8 see couldn't be at the flat for the repair to be done because of Doctors appointment No. 9 her baby comes 1st in everything, she is a good mother (I'm fed up with young mum's getting stick!) no. 10 heating is now working but the hot water is broke again! Anything else I've missed let me know :D I can't stand people the read an article and think they know it all, you don't know the full story and the paper makes mistakes![/p][/quote]Some of the posters on here would hesitate to help their own family members never mind strangers...they have the empathy level of the psychopath. I hope the young lady gets her water on asap...no weather for a baby or mother to be without hot water, regardless of what the dead souls in human form on here think LastLaugh,,,
  • Score: -4

8:49pm Tue 7 Jan 14

LastLaugh,,, says...

shay321 wrote:
poor **** I feel sorry for her..NOT...get a grip woman and try living through a war.
Why?
[quote][p][bold]shay321[/bold] wrote: poor **** I feel sorry for her..NOT...get a grip woman and try living through a war.[/p][/quote]Why? LastLaugh,,,
  • Score: 1

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