Centre for dementia sufferers set to close

Echo: Closing – Larchwood Care’s sign outside Mundy House, with a separate sign for the care centre Closing – Larchwood Care’s sign outside Mundy House, with a separate sign for the care centre

A POPULAR day care centre for people with dementia is closing down.

Staff at Mundy House day care, in Church Road, Basildon, have been devastated after they were told yesterday morning the service will shut for good in one month.

Larchwood, the firm which runs the centre and adjoining residential home, claims the day care facility is not making any money.

Twelve staff, including carers and drivers, are set to lose their jobs.

Those who are eligible have been told they will receive redundancy payouts.

More than 20 dementia sufferers visit Mundy House day care every day to socialise, enjoy a range of activities and get specialist support.

One employee, who did not want to be named, said: “The carers are in absolute bits. Some of them have been there for 15 to 18 years.

“The company isn’t making any money out of the day care, and that’s the problem. It just doesn’t seem right.

“Relatives need a break from caring for people with dementia, and some send their loved ones up to three times a week.

“The decision to close the centre is going to cause a lot of people a lot of problems.

“Everyone knew this would happen, we could all see it coming.

“The buses which we use to ferry people to and from Mundy House have not been fit for purpose for a long time.

“When Larchwood took over it promised to buy new ones, but it never happened.

“It was obviously winding down to close all along.” It is thought the building will be used as extra residential space for Mundy House care home, which has 65 beds.

Larchwood, which is part of the Orchard group, took over the home and day care centre from previous provider, Adiemus Care, at the end of last year.

Mundy House is being turned around after inspectors from the Care Quality Commission raised concerns about cleanliness and infection control, staffing, records and monitoring.

During an unannounced visit in August, inspectors found bedrails smeared with food, drink and faeces, and a mattress soaked with urine, as well as dirty ensuite bathrooms.

A spokesman for Larchwood Care said: “We can confirm the day care facility at Mundy House will close in March.

“The home will continue to offer high-quality, full-time residential care, 24 hours a day.

“Larchwood only recently took over the management of the home and, having now completed an internal audit, it is with much regret we are having to take this action, as it is not financially viable to offer nonresidential care.

"We are entering into formal consultation with staff and working in close partnership with social services to ensure a smooth transition for those who use the facility.”

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7:19pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

“The company isn’t making any money out of the day care, and that’s the problem. It just doesn’t seem right."

This is the key phrase to me..

"Mundy House is being turned around after inspectors from the Care Quality Commission raised concerns about cleanliness and infection control, staffing, records and monitoring.

During an unannounced visit in August, inspectors found bedrails smeared with food, drink and faeces, and a mattress soaked with urine, as well as dirty ensuite bathrooms."

NOBODY should be making money out of dementia sufferers. Of course care staff and drivers have to be paid because hardly anyone can do something for nothing these days but this is a problem common to most care homes too.

AS for them not making any money.. How? And if the above issues have presented a problem, surely they don't have enough staff. The biggest complaint about care homes is usually lack of staff. Having been inside this system I see how hard it is for staff to cope. In one home, we had 84 residents and only six staff on duty between 10pm and 7am. Nobody can tell me that is sufficient.

People with severe dementia are extremely taxing for carers. It's a rewarding job but VERY tiring if you don't have enough staff. All we ever wanted was for there to be enough of us to go around but there never was and there were always residents who had to wait their turn for personal care or suchlike. This is morally wrong. All carers want is to provide good care. In my experience we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families.

Staff are often left to cope alone with residents with challenging behaviour and I defy anyone to handle a potentially dangerous situation alone when one particular resident goes into attack mode and others start to go along with it. It can escalate very quickly because people with dementia aren't necessarily physically disabled. Some of them can be very strong.

I am not suggesting these things happened at Mundy as people there were brought in for day care and this suggests to me that these would not be people in the late stages of the disease.

But it's the same principles. Dementia care is vital and proper, efficient full complement of staff is absolutely necessary. Often staff are paid dire wages and have to work long hours to pay their bills.

However, most of us do it because we really care and want to make a difference.

I know how these care staff must feel because you build up an excellent relationship with the individuals and their families. I still have friends whose parents I cared for and often see others when out and about and they always stop for a chat and say how grateful they are for care establishments and how they would not be able to manage were it not for dedicated care staff.

There should be no question of a vital service like this closing down and somebody somewhere must have a solution.

In my opinion, dementia care homes and day centres need taking out of the private sector.

I shudder to think of the effect this will have on those who have come to rely so heavily on the service and it's disgusting in this day and age that, in a country awash with money, it is all going on the wrong things and not on those who really do need it.
“The company isn’t making any money out of the day care, and that’s the problem. It just doesn’t seem right." This is the key phrase to me.. "Mundy House is being turned around after inspectors from the Care Quality Commission raised concerns about cleanliness and infection control, staffing, records and monitoring. During an unannounced visit in August, inspectors found bedrails smeared with food, drink and faeces, and a mattress soaked with urine, as well as dirty ensuite bathrooms." NOBODY should be making money out of dementia sufferers. Of course care staff and drivers have to be paid because hardly anyone can do something for nothing these days but this is a problem common to most care homes too. AS for them not making any money.. How? And if the above issues have presented a problem, surely they don't have enough staff. The biggest complaint about care homes is usually lack of staff. Having been inside this system I see how hard it is for staff to cope. In one home, we had 84 residents and only six staff on duty between 10pm and 7am. Nobody can tell me that is sufficient. People with severe dementia are extremely taxing for carers. It's a rewarding job but VERY tiring if you don't have enough staff. All we ever wanted was for there to be enough of us to go around but there never was and there were always residents who had to wait their turn for personal care or suchlike. This is morally wrong. All carers want is to provide good care. In my experience we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families. Staff are often left to cope alone with residents with challenging behaviour and I defy anyone to handle a potentially dangerous situation alone when one particular resident goes into attack mode and others start to go along with it. It can escalate very quickly because people with dementia aren't necessarily physically disabled. Some of them can be very strong. I am not suggesting these things happened at Mundy as people there were brought in for day care and this suggests to me that these would not be people in the late stages of the disease. But it's the same principles. Dementia care is vital and proper, efficient full complement of staff is absolutely necessary. Often staff are paid dire wages and have to work long hours to pay their bills. However, most of us do it because we really care and want to make a difference. I know how these care staff must feel because you build up an excellent relationship with the individuals and their families. I still have friends whose parents I cared for and often see others when out and about and they always stop for a chat and say how grateful they are for care establishments and how they would not be able to manage were it not for dedicated care staff. There should be no question of a vital service like this closing down and somebody somewhere must have a solution. In my opinion, dementia care homes and day centres need taking out of the private sector. I shudder to think of the effect this will have on those who have come to rely so heavily on the service and it's disgusting in this day and age that, in a country awash with money, it is all going on the wrong things and not on those who really do need it. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 0

7:30pm Wed 5 Feb 14

jolllyboy says...

Not making money - that's the cause of all our ills today. Society is sick.
Not making money - that's the cause of all our ills today. Society is sick. jolllyboy
  • Score: 9

7:49pm Wed 5 Feb 14

You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat says...

Looks like a case of priorities, perhaps the NHS will step up, otherwise, from a good business sense, it will revert back to a nursing home, after all why on earrth would someone run it out of the goodness of their heart ?
Looks like a case of priorities, perhaps the NHS will step up, otherwise, from a good business sense, it will revert back to a nursing home, after all why on earrth would someone run it out of the goodness of their heart ? You'dfeelbetterforknowingthat
  • Score: 2

8:15pm Wed 5 Feb 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
“The company isn’t making any money out of the day care, and that’s the problem. It just doesn’t seem right."

This is the key phrase to me..

"Mundy House is being turned around after inspectors from the Care Quality Commission raised concerns about cleanliness and infection control, staffing, records and monitoring.

During an unannounced visit in August, inspectors found bedrails smeared with food, drink and faeces, and a mattress soaked with urine, as well as dirty ensuite bathrooms."

NOBODY should be making money out of dementia sufferers. Of course care staff and drivers have to be paid because hardly anyone can do something for nothing these days but this is a problem common to most care homes too.

AS for them not making any money.. How? And if the above issues have presented a problem, surely they don't have enough staff. The biggest complaint about care homes is usually lack of staff. Having been inside this system I see how hard it is for staff to cope. In one home, we had 84 residents and only six staff on duty between 10pm and 7am. Nobody can tell me that is sufficient.

People with severe dementia are extremely taxing for carers. It's a rewarding job but VERY tiring if you don't have enough staff. All we ever wanted was for there to be enough of us to go around but there never was and there were always residents who had to wait their turn for personal care or suchlike. This is morally wrong. All carers want is to provide good care. In my experience we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families.

Staff are often left to cope alone with residents with challenging behaviour and I defy anyone to handle a potentially dangerous situation alone when one particular resident goes into attack mode and others start to go along with it. It can escalate very quickly because people with dementia aren't necessarily physically disabled. Some of them can be very strong.

I am not suggesting these things happened at Mundy as people there were brought in for day care and this suggests to me that these would not be people in the late stages of the disease.

But it's the same principles. Dementia care is vital and proper, efficient full complement of staff is absolutely necessary. Often staff are paid dire wages and have to work long hours to pay their bills.

However, most of us do it because we really care and want to make a difference.

I know how these care staff must feel because you build up an excellent relationship with the individuals and their families. I still have friends whose parents I cared for and often see others when out and about and they always stop for a chat and say how grateful they are for care establishments and how they would not be able to manage were it not for dedicated care staff.

There should be no question of a vital service like this closing down and somebody somewhere must have a solution.

In my opinion, dementia care homes and day centres need taking out of the private sector.

I shudder to think of the effect this will have on those who have come to rely so heavily on the service and it's disgusting in this day and age that, in a country awash with money, it is all going on the wrong things and not on those who really do need it.
*we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families.*

Going off your comments on these boards about ethnic minorities...I wonder if a patient or family would consider you a 'extension' of the family?

You really need to be consistent in where you stand.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: “The company isn’t making any money out of the day care, and that’s the problem. It just doesn’t seem right." This is the key phrase to me.. "Mundy House is being turned around after inspectors from the Care Quality Commission raised concerns about cleanliness and infection control, staffing, records and monitoring. During an unannounced visit in August, inspectors found bedrails smeared with food, drink and faeces, and a mattress soaked with urine, as well as dirty ensuite bathrooms." NOBODY should be making money out of dementia sufferers. Of course care staff and drivers have to be paid because hardly anyone can do something for nothing these days but this is a problem common to most care homes too. AS for them not making any money.. How? And if the above issues have presented a problem, surely they don't have enough staff. The biggest complaint about care homes is usually lack of staff. Having been inside this system I see how hard it is for staff to cope. In one home, we had 84 residents and only six staff on duty between 10pm and 7am. Nobody can tell me that is sufficient. People with severe dementia are extremely taxing for carers. It's a rewarding job but VERY tiring if you don't have enough staff. All we ever wanted was for there to be enough of us to go around but there never was and there were always residents who had to wait their turn for personal care or suchlike. This is morally wrong. All carers want is to provide good care. In my experience we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families. Staff are often left to cope alone with residents with challenging behaviour and I defy anyone to handle a potentially dangerous situation alone when one particular resident goes into attack mode and others start to go along with it. It can escalate very quickly because people with dementia aren't necessarily physically disabled. Some of them can be very strong. I am not suggesting these things happened at Mundy as people there were brought in for day care and this suggests to me that these would not be people in the late stages of the disease. But it's the same principles. Dementia care is vital and proper, efficient full complement of staff is absolutely necessary. Often staff are paid dire wages and have to work long hours to pay their bills. However, most of us do it because we really care and want to make a difference. I know how these care staff must feel because you build up an excellent relationship with the individuals and their families. I still have friends whose parents I cared for and often see others when out and about and they always stop for a chat and say how grateful they are for care establishments and how they would not be able to manage were it not for dedicated care staff. There should be no question of a vital service like this closing down and somebody somewhere must have a solution. In my opinion, dementia care homes and day centres need taking out of the private sector. I shudder to think of the effect this will have on those who have come to rely so heavily on the service and it's disgusting in this day and age that, in a country awash with money, it is all going on the wrong things and not on those who really do need it.[/p][/quote]*we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families.* Going off your comments on these boards about ethnic minorities...I wonder if a patient or family would consider you a 'extension' of the family? You really need to be consistent in where you stand. ThisYear
  • Score: 4

9:23pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

ThisYear wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
“The company isn’t making any money out of the day care, and that’s the problem. It just doesn’t seem right."

This is the key phrase to me..

"Mundy House is being turned around after inspectors from the Care Quality Commission raised concerns about cleanliness and infection control, staffing, records and monitoring.

During an unannounced visit in August, inspectors found bedrails smeared with food, drink and faeces, and a mattress soaked with urine, as well as dirty ensuite bathrooms."

NOBODY should be making money out of dementia sufferers. Of course care staff and drivers have to be paid because hardly anyone can do something for nothing these days but this is a problem common to most care homes too.

AS for them not making any money.. How? And if the above issues have presented a problem, surely they don't have enough staff. The biggest complaint about care homes is usually lack of staff. Having been inside this system I see how hard it is for staff to cope. In one home, we had 84 residents and only six staff on duty between 10pm and 7am. Nobody can tell me that is sufficient.

People with severe dementia are extremely taxing for carers. It's a rewarding job but VERY tiring if you don't have enough staff. All we ever wanted was for there to be enough of us to go around but there never was and there were always residents who had to wait their turn for personal care or suchlike. This is morally wrong. All carers want is to provide good care. In my experience we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families.

Staff are often left to cope alone with residents with challenging behaviour and I defy anyone to handle a potentially dangerous situation alone when one particular resident goes into attack mode and others start to go along with it. It can escalate very quickly because people with dementia aren't necessarily physically disabled. Some of them can be very strong.

I am not suggesting these things happened at Mundy as people there were brought in for day care and this suggests to me that these would not be people in the late stages of the disease.

But it's the same principles. Dementia care is vital and proper, efficient full complement of staff is absolutely necessary. Often staff are paid dire wages and have to work long hours to pay their bills.

However, most of us do it because we really care and want to make a difference.

I know how these care staff must feel because you build up an excellent relationship with the individuals and their families. I still have friends whose parents I cared for and often see others when out and about and they always stop for a chat and say how grateful they are for care establishments and how they would not be able to manage were it not for dedicated care staff.

There should be no question of a vital service like this closing down and somebody somewhere must have a solution.

In my opinion, dementia care homes and day centres need taking out of the private sector.

I shudder to think of the effect this will have on those who have come to rely so heavily on the service and it's disgusting in this day and age that, in a country awash with money, it is all going on the wrong things and not on those who really do need it.
*we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families.*

Going off your comments on these boards about ethnic minorities...I wonder if a patient or family would consider you a 'extension' of the family?

You really need to be consistent in where you stand.
Do pipe down. You know nothing. I have also mentioned my friends who are ethnic minorities but you are either too thick to understand what I say or you only read what you want to read.

You don't know me so your comments are not important.

Now buzz off and go and find a REAL victim, worthy of your criticism.

And next time post under your real name so I can go and dredge up something about you.

Haven't the guts though have you? And for your information yes, many people did consider me - and my colleagues - in that way. Who are you to say different? You weren't there.

So shut it and jog on eh matey. Or say these things to my face if you dare.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: “The company isn’t making any money out of the day care, and that’s the problem. It just doesn’t seem right." This is the key phrase to me.. "Mundy House is being turned around after inspectors from the Care Quality Commission raised concerns about cleanliness and infection control, staffing, records and monitoring. During an unannounced visit in August, inspectors found bedrails smeared with food, drink and faeces, and a mattress soaked with urine, as well as dirty ensuite bathrooms." NOBODY should be making money out of dementia sufferers. Of course care staff and drivers have to be paid because hardly anyone can do something for nothing these days but this is a problem common to most care homes too. AS for them not making any money.. How? And if the above issues have presented a problem, surely they don't have enough staff. The biggest complaint about care homes is usually lack of staff. Having been inside this system I see how hard it is for staff to cope. In one home, we had 84 residents and only six staff on duty between 10pm and 7am. Nobody can tell me that is sufficient. People with severe dementia are extremely taxing for carers. It's a rewarding job but VERY tiring if you don't have enough staff. All we ever wanted was for there to be enough of us to go around but there never was and there were always residents who had to wait their turn for personal care or suchlike. This is morally wrong. All carers want is to provide good care. In my experience we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families. Staff are often left to cope alone with residents with challenging behaviour and I defy anyone to handle a potentially dangerous situation alone when one particular resident goes into attack mode and others start to go along with it. It can escalate very quickly because people with dementia aren't necessarily physically disabled. Some of them can be very strong. I am not suggesting these things happened at Mundy as people there were brought in for day care and this suggests to me that these would not be people in the late stages of the disease. But it's the same principles. Dementia care is vital and proper, efficient full complement of staff is absolutely necessary. Often staff are paid dire wages and have to work long hours to pay their bills. However, most of us do it because we really care and want to make a difference. I know how these care staff must feel because you build up an excellent relationship with the individuals and their families. I still have friends whose parents I cared for and often see others when out and about and they always stop for a chat and say how grateful they are for care establishments and how they would not be able to manage were it not for dedicated care staff. There should be no question of a vital service like this closing down and somebody somewhere must have a solution. In my opinion, dementia care homes and day centres need taking out of the private sector. I shudder to think of the effect this will have on those who have come to rely so heavily on the service and it's disgusting in this day and age that, in a country awash with money, it is all going on the wrong things and not on those who really do need it.[/p][/quote]*we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families.* Going off your comments on these boards about ethnic minorities...I wonder if a patient or family would consider you a 'extension' of the family? You really need to be consistent in where you stand.[/p][/quote]Do pipe down. You know nothing. I have also mentioned my friends who are ethnic minorities but you are either too thick to understand what I say or you only read what you want to read. You don't know me so your comments are not important. Now buzz off and go and find a REAL victim, worthy of your criticism. And next time post under your real name so I can go and dredge up something about you. Haven't the guts though have you? And for your information yes, many people did consider me - and my colleagues - in that way. Who are you to say different? You weren't there. So shut it and jog on eh matey. Or say these things to my face if you dare. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -5

9:23pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

ThisYear wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
“The company isn’t making any money out of the day care, and that’s the problem. It just doesn’t seem right."

This is the key phrase to me..

"Mundy House is being turned around after inspectors from the Care Quality Commission raised concerns about cleanliness and infection control, staffing, records and monitoring.

During an unannounced visit in August, inspectors found bedrails smeared with food, drink and faeces, and a mattress soaked with urine, as well as dirty ensuite bathrooms."

NOBODY should be making money out of dementia sufferers. Of course care staff and drivers have to be paid because hardly anyone can do something for nothing these days but this is a problem common to most care homes too.

AS for them not making any money.. How? And if the above issues have presented a problem, surely they don't have enough staff. The biggest complaint about care homes is usually lack of staff. Having been inside this system I see how hard it is for staff to cope. In one home, we had 84 residents and only six staff on duty between 10pm and 7am. Nobody can tell me that is sufficient.

People with severe dementia are extremely taxing for carers. It's a rewarding job but VERY tiring if you don't have enough staff. All we ever wanted was for there to be enough of us to go around but there never was and there were always residents who had to wait their turn for personal care or suchlike. This is morally wrong. All carers want is to provide good care. In my experience we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families.

Staff are often left to cope alone with residents with challenging behaviour and I defy anyone to handle a potentially dangerous situation alone when one particular resident goes into attack mode and others start to go along with it. It can escalate very quickly because people with dementia aren't necessarily physically disabled. Some of them can be very strong.

I am not suggesting these things happened at Mundy as people there were brought in for day care and this suggests to me that these would not be people in the late stages of the disease.

But it's the same principles. Dementia care is vital and proper, efficient full complement of staff is absolutely necessary. Often staff are paid dire wages and have to work long hours to pay their bills.

However, most of us do it because we really care and want to make a difference.

I know how these care staff must feel because you build up an excellent relationship with the individuals and their families. I still have friends whose parents I cared for and often see others when out and about and they always stop for a chat and say how grateful they are for care establishments and how they would not be able to manage were it not for dedicated care staff.

There should be no question of a vital service like this closing down and somebody somewhere must have a solution.

In my opinion, dementia care homes and day centres need taking out of the private sector.

I shudder to think of the effect this will have on those who have come to rely so heavily on the service and it's disgusting in this day and age that, in a country awash with money, it is all going on the wrong things and not on those who really do need it.
*we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families.*

Going off your comments on these boards about ethnic minorities...I wonder if a patient or family would consider you a 'extension' of the family?

You really need to be consistent in where you stand.
Do pipe down. You know nothing. I have also mentioned my friends who are ethnic minorities but you are either too thick to understand what I say or you only read what you want to read.

You don't know me so your comments are not important.

Now buzz off and go and find a REAL victim, worthy of your criticism.

And next time post under your real name so I can go and dredge up something about you.

Haven't the guts though have you? And for your information yes, many people did consider me - and my colleagues - in that way. Who are you to say different? You weren't there.

So shut it and jog on eh matey. Or say these things to my face if you dare.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: “The company isn’t making any money out of the day care, and that’s the problem. It just doesn’t seem right." This is the key phrase to me.. "Mundy House is being turned around after inspectors from the Care Quality Commission raised concerns about cleanliness and infection control, staffing, records and monitoring. During an unannounced visit in August, inspectors found bedrails smeared with food, drink and faeces, and a mattress soaked with urine, as well as dirty ensuite bathrooms." NOBODY should be making money out of dementia sufferers. Of course care staff and drivers have to be paid because hardly anyone can do something for nothing these days but this is a problem common to most care homes too. AS for them not making any money.. How? And if the above issues have presented a problem, surely they don't have enough staff. The biggest complaint about care homes is usually lack of staff. Having been inside this system I see how hard it is for staff to cope. In one home, we had 84 residents and only six staff on duty between 10pm and 7am. Nobody can tell me that is sufficient. People with severe dementia are extremely taxing for carers. It's a rewarding job but VERY tiring if you don't have enough staff. All we ever wanted was for there to be enough of us to go around but there never was and there were always residents who had to wait their turn for personal care or suchlike. This is morally wrong. All carers want is to provide good care. In my experience we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families. Staff are often left to cope alone with residents with challenging behaviour and I defy anyone to handle a potentially dangerous situation alone when one particular resident goes into attack mode and others start to go along with it. It can escalate very quickly because people with dementia aren't necessarily physically disabled. Some of them can be very strong. I am not suggesting these things happened at Mundy as people there were brought in for day care and this suggests to me that these would not be people in the late stages of the disease. But it's the same principles. Dementia care is vital and proper, efficient full complement of staff is absolutely necessary. Often staff are paid dire wages and have to work long hours to pay their bills. However, most of us do it because we really care and want to make a difference. I know how these care staff must feel because you build up an excellent relationship with the individuals and their families. I still have friends whose parents I cared for and often see others when out and about and they always stop for a chat and say how grateful they are for care establishments and how they would not be able to manage were it not for dedicated care staff. There should be no question of a vital service like this closing down and somebody somewhere must have a solution. In my opinion, dementia care homes and day centres need taking out of the private sector. I shudder to think of the effect this will have on those who have come to rely so heavily on the service and it's disgusting in this day and age that, in a country awash with money, it is all going on the wrong things and not on those who really do need it.[/p][/quote]*we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families.* Going off your comments on these boards about ethnic minorities...I wonder if a patient or family would consider you a 'extension' of the family? You really need to be consistent in where you stand.[/p][/quote]Do pipe down. You know nothing. I have also mentioned my friends who are ethnic minorities but you are either too thick to understand what I say or you only read what you want to read. You don't know me so your comments are not important. Now buzz off and go and find a REAL victim, worthy of your criticism. And next time post under your real name so I can go and dredge up something about you. Haven't the guts though have you? And for your information yes, many people did consider me - and my colleagues - in that way. Who are you to say different? You weren't there. So shut it and jog on eh matey. Or say these things to my face if you dare. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -5

12:38am Thu 6 Feb 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
“The company isn’t making any money out of the day care, and that’s the problem. It just doesn’t seem right."

This is the key phrase to me..

"Mundy House is being turned around after inspectors from the Care Quality Commission raised concerns about cleanliness and infection control, staffing, records and monitoring.

During an unannounced visit in August, inspectors found bedrails smeared with food, drink and faeces, and a mattress soaked with urine, as well as dirty ensuite bathrooms."

NOBODY should be making money out of dementia sufferers. Of course care staff and drivers have to be paid because hardly anyone can do something for nothing these days but this is a problem common to most care homes too.

AS for them not making any money.. How? And if the above issues have presented a problem, surely they don't have enough staff. The biggest complaint about care homes is usually lack of staff. Having been inside this system I see how hard it is for staff to cope. In one home, we had 84 residents and only six staff on duty between 10pm and 7am. Nobody can tell me that is sufficient.

People with severe dementia are extremely taxing for carers. It's a rewarding job but VERY tiring if you don't have enough staff. All we ever wanted was for there to be enough of us to go around but there never was and there were always residents who had to wait their turn for personal care or suchlike. This is morally wrong. All carers want is to provide good care. In my experience we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families.

Staff are often left to cope alone with residents with challenging behaviour and I defy anyone to handle a potentially dangerous situation alone when one particular resident goes into attack mode and others start to go along with it. It can escalate very quickly because people with dementia aren't necessarily physically disabled. Some of them can be very strong.

I am not suggesting these things happened at Mundy as people there were brought in for day care and this suggests to me that these would not be people in the late stages of the disease.

But it's the same principles. Dementia care is vital and proper, efficient full complement of staff is absolutely necessary. Often staff are paid dire wages and have to work long hours to pay their bills.

However, most of us do it because we really care and want to make a difference.

I know how these care staff must feel because you build up an excellent relationship with the individuals and their families. I still have friends whose parents I cared for and often see others when out and about and they always stop for a chat and say how grateful they are for care establishments and how they would not be able to manage were it not for dedicated care staff.

There should be no question of a vital service like this closing down and somebody somewhere must have a solution.

In my opinion, dementia care homes and day centres need taking out of the private sector.

I shudder to think of the effect this will have on those who have come to rely so heavily on the service and it's disgusting in this day and age that, in a country awash with money, it is all going on the wrong things and not on those who really do need it.
*we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families.*

Going off your comments on these boards about ethnic minorities...I wonder if a patient or family would consider you a 'extension' of the family?

You really need to be consistent in where you stand.
Do pipe down. You know nothing. I have also mentioned my friends who are ethnic minorities but you are either too thick to understand what I say or you only read what you want to read.

You don't know me so your comments are not important.

Now buzz off and go and find a REAL victim, worthy of your criticism.

And next time post under your real name so I can go and dredge up something about you.

Haven't the guts though have you? And for your information yes, many people did consider me - and my colleagues - in that way. Who are you to say different? You weren't there.

So shut it and jog on eh matey. Or say these things to my face if you dare.
You feel the only way to reply to people is after you have "dredged up something" about them?

The old "I have friends who are ethnic minorities BUT"

Having friends from one community doesn't excuse racism against another..DER..

This a comment section lovey, not a meet and great column
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: “The company isn’t making any money out of the day care, and that’s the problem. It just doesn’t seem right." This is the key phrase to me.. "Mundy House is being turned around after inspectors from the Care Quality Commission raised concerns about cleanliness and infection control, staffing, records and monitoring. During an unannounced visit in August, inspectors found bedrails smeared with food, drink and faeces, and a mattress soaked with urine, as well as dirty ensuite bathrooms." NOBODY should be making money out of dementia sufferers. Of course care staff and drivers have to be paid because hardly anyone can do something for nothing these days but this is a problem common to most care homes too. AS for them not making any money.. How? And if the above issues have presented a problem, surely they don't have enough staff. The biggest complaint about care homes is usually lack of staff. Having been inside this system I see how hard it is for staff to cope. In one home, we had 84 residents and only six staff on duty between 10pm and 7am. Nobody can tell me that is sufficient. People with severe dementia are extremely taxing for carers. It's a rewarding job but VERY tiring if you don't have enough staff. All we ever wanted was for there to be enough of us to go around but there never was and there were always residents who had to wait their turn for personal care or suchlike. This is morally wrong. All carers want is to provide good care. In my experience we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families. Staff are often left to cope alone with residents with challenging behaviour and I defy anyone to handle a potentially dangerous situation alone when one particular resident goes into attack mode and others start to go along with it. It can escalate very quickly because people with dementia aren't necessarily physically disabled. Some of them can be very strong. I am not suggesting these things happened at Mundy as people there were brought in for day care and this suggests to me that these would not be people in the late stages of the disease. But it's the same principles. Dementia care is vital and proper, efficient full complement of staff is absolutely necessary. Often staff are paid dire wages and have to work long hours to pay their bills. However, most of us do it because we really care and want to make a difference. I know how these care staff must feel because you build up an excellent relationship with the individuals and their families. I still have friends whose parents I cared for and often see others when out and about and they always stop for a chat and say how grateful they are for care establishments and how they would not be able to manage were it not for dedicated care staff. There should be no question of a vital service like this closing down and somebody somewhere must have a solution. In my opinion, dementia care homes and day centres need taking out of the private sector. I shudder to think of the effect this will have on those who have come to rely so heavily on the service and it's disgusting in this day and age that, in a country awash with money, it is all going on the wrong things and not on those who really do need it.[/p][/quote]*we are like an extension of the resident's family - and treated as such by the families.* Going off your comments on these boards about ethnic minorities...I wonder if a patient or family would consider you a 'extension' of the family? You really need to be consistent in where you stand.[/p][/quote]Do pipe down. You know nothing. I have also mentioned my friends who are ethnic minorities but you are either too thick to understand what I say or you only read what you want to read. You don't know me so your comments are not important. Now buzz off and go and find a REAL victim, worthy of your criticism. And next time post under your real name so I can go and dredge up something about you. Haven't the guts though have you? And for your information yes, many people did consider me - and my colleagues - in that way. Who are you to say different? You weren't there. So shut it and jog on eh matey. Or say these things to my face if you dare.[/p][/quote]You feel the only way to reply to people is after you have "dredged up something" about them? The old "I have friends who are ethnic minorities BUT" Having friends from one community doesn't excuse racism against another..DER.. This a comment section lovey, not a meet and great column ThisYear
  • Score: 4

6:50am Thu 6 Feb 14

Happy Chickie says...

Kim Gandy, why do always rant on these threads? Lighten up, life isn't that bad, there is good int he world and not everyone is terrible. Cheer up, you'll live longer and enjoy life.
Kim Gandy, why do always rant on these threads? Lighten up, life isn't that bad, there is good int he world and not everyone is terrible. Cheer up, you'll live longer and enjoy life. Happy Chickie
  • Score: 7

8:00am Thu 6 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

Happy Chickie wrote:
Kim Gandy, why do always rant on these threads? Lighten up, life isn't that bad, there is good int he world and not everyone is terrible. Cheer up, you'll live longer and enjoy life.
I am happy thanks

and if you had half the intelligence of an amoeba you would see it is not a "rant" but facts based on real experience.

Something you find hard to do.
[quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: Kim Gandy, why do always rant on these threads? Lighten up, life isn't that bad, there is good int he world and not everyone is terrible. Cheer up, you'll live longer and enjoy life.[/p][/quote]I am happy thanks and if you had half the intelligence of an amoeba you would see it is not a "rant" but facts based on real experience. Something you find hard to do. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -7

8:01am Thu 6 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

As for "This Year".... couldn't be bothered to read your comment in full.

You are beneath my intelligence.
As for "This Year".... couldn't be bothered to read your comment in full. You are beneath my intelligence. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -8

8:02am Thu 6 Feb 14

Kim Gandy says...

Why CAN'T you lot post under your own names?

Obviously you haven't the courage of your own convictions to do so. So any criticism you make of me or others is laughable.

Grow a pair and post under your own name or your comments have no credibility.
Why CAN'T you lot post under your own names? Obviously you haven't the courage of your own convictions to do so. So any criticism you make of me or others is laughable. Grow a pair and post under your own name or your comments have no credibility. Kim Gandy
  • Score: -10

8:06am Thu 6 Feb 14

Happy Chickie says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Happy Chickie wrote:
Kim Gandy, why do always rant on these threads? Lighten up, life isn't that bad, there is good int he world and not everyone is terrible. Cheer up, you'll live longer and enjoy life.
I am happy thanks

and if you had half the intelligence of an amoeba you would see it is not a "rant" but facts based on real experience.

Something you find hard to do.
Blimey - who peed in your cornflakes?

I have yet to see you post anything that resembles something positive.

Must be hard being you.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: Kim Gandy, why do always rant on these threads? Lighten up, life isn't that bad, there is good int he world and not everyone is terrible. Cheer up, you'll live longer and enjoy life.[/p][/quote]I am happy thanks and if you had half the intelligence of an amoeba you would see it is not a "rant" but facts based on real experience. Something you find hard to do.[/p][/quote]Blimey - who peed in your cornflakes? I have yet to see you post anything that resembles something positive. Must be hard being you. Happy Chickie
  • Score: 6

9:16am Thu 6 Feb 14

RochfordRob says...

If this place is run as a business then it has to make money, or at least break even.

If it doesn't it has to close.

Unless they have a socialist money tree in the garden. Which I doubt.

Simple fact. Sadly.

Lost on many these days.

Put my real name of here? Are you mad?
If this place is run as a business then it has to make money, or at least break even. If it doesn't it has to close. Unless they have a socialist money tree in the garden. Which I doubt. Simple fact. Sadly. Lost on many these days. Put my real name of here? Are you mad? RochfordRob
  • Score: 3

9:56am Thu 6 Feb 14

Howard Cháse says...

Another unaffordable to many housing development looms large on the horizon.


Can remember going to Mundy House in the first year of secondary school in the very early seventies to give the residents a Christmas Carol Concert.
Another unaffordable to many housing development looms large on the horizon. Can remember going to Mundy House in the first year of secondary school in the very early seventies to give the residents a Christmas Carol Concert. Howard Cháse
  • Score: 1

11:17am Thu 6 Feb 14

InTheKnowOk says...

Where's my giro wrote:
jolllyboy wrote:
Not making money - that's the cause of all our ills today. Society is sick.
Why would they carry on if they ain't making money? Life is all about making money. If I worked with a bunch of those nutters in that care home I'll want a good payment. Working with people that pi55 and crap themselves? Couldn't care about them doing that, let them sit in it for all I care. Just pay me my money!
Get back under that bridge ..
[quote][p][bold]Where's my giro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jolllyboy[/bold] wrote: Not making money - that's the cause of all our ills today. Society is sick.[/p][/quote]Why would they carry on if they ain't making money? Life is all about making money. If I worked with a bunch of those nutters in that care home I'll want a good payment. Working with people that pi55 and crap themselves? Couldn't care about them doing that, let them sit in it for all I care. Just pay me my money![/p][/quote]Get back under that bridge .. InTheKnowOk
  • Score: 1

12:22pm Thu 6 Feb 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
As for "This Year".... couldn't be bothered to read your comment in full.

You are beneath my intelligence.
Kim, you are so intelligent that you cant see you're not very!

You have very strong feelings on certain ethnic minorities!

The reasonable question posed was; would any one from those ethnic minority's feel assured while in your care...would their families?

This is simply based on your own comments on these boards about these ethnic minorities, and your suggested ways of treating them.

The fact you post something and then say you dont bother to read any replies does suggest you are ranting to a audience that you feel may be there...if only in your mind.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: As for "This Year".... couldn't be bothered to read your comment in full. You are beneath my intelligence.[/p][/quote]Kim, you are so intelligent that you cant see you're not very! You have very strong feelings on certain ethnic minorities! The reasonable question posed was; would any one from those ethnic minority's feel assured while in your care...would their families? This is simply based on your own comments on these boards about these ethnic minorities, and your suggested ways of treating them. The fact you post something and then say you dont bother to read any replies does suggest you are ranting to a audience that you feel may be there...if only in your mind. ThisYear
  • Score: 7

12:23pm Thu 6 Feb 14

ThisYear says...

RochfordRob wrote:
If this place is run as a business then it has to make money, or at least break even.

If it doesn't it has to close.

Unless they have a socialist money tree in the garden. Which I doubt.

Simple fact. Sadly.

Lost on many these days.

Put my real name of here? Are you mad?
Kim, dare him to...lol
[quote][p][bold]RochfordRob[/bold] wrote: If this place is run as a business then it has to make money, or at least break even. If it doesn't it has to close. Unless they have a socialist money tree in the garden. Which I doubt. Simple fact. Sadly. Lost on many these days. Put my real name of here? Are you mad?[/p][/quote]Kim, dare him to...lol ThisYear
  • Score: 3

1:25pm Thu 6 Feb 14

bettyjackson1 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Happy Chickie wrote:
Kim Gandy, why do always rant on these threads? Lighten up, life isn't that bad, there is good int he world and not everyone is terrible. Cheer up, you'll live longer and enjoy life.
I am happy thanks

and if you had half the intelligence of an amoeba you would see it is not a "rant" but facts based on real experience.

Something you find hard to do.
Not facts actually, you only see one side of the argument. Most care operators are in a worse position now than seven years ago as Essex County Council have not increased their fees yet the cost of running a care facility or a home care agency has increased beyond belief. I have seen standards decline due to lack of finances yet you continue to blame the business owners! The main objective for a business is to make money and to provide quality care. However this is becoming increasingly difficult when local authority payments are ridiculously low. What do you expect to happen? The return of the old geriatric back wards? Asylums?
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: Kim Gandy, why do always rant on these threads? Lighten up, life isn't that bad, there is good int he world and not everyone is terrible. Cheer up, you'll live longer and enjoy life.[/p][/quote]I am happy thanks and if you had half the intelligence of an amoeba you would see it is not a "rant" but facts based on real experience. Something you find hard to do.[/p][/quote]Not facts actually, you only see one side of the argument. Most care operators are in a worse position now than seven years ago as Essex County Council have not increased their fees yet the cost of running a care facility or a home care agency has increased beyond belief. I have seen standards decline due to lack of finances yet you continue to blame the business owners! The main objective for a business is to make money and to provide quality care. However this is becoming increasingly difficult when local authority payments are ridiculously low. What do you expect to happen? The return of the old geriatric back wards? Asylums? bettyjackson1
  • Score: 5

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