Help us save our wardens

Echo: Sarah Ellis - concerned parent, Angela Alden and Emma Dawson - head teacher at Thundersley Primary School Sarah Ellis - concerned parent, Angela Alden and Emma Dawson - head teacher at Thundersley Primary School

A HEADTEACHER has vowed to fork out almost £6,000 to keep her school’s faithful lollipop lady.

Emma Dawson, headteacher at Thundersley Primary School, in Hart Road, Thundersley, was devastated to hear Essex County Council was planning to cut funding for 55 school crossing patrols on zebra and pelican crossings due to budget constraints.

She said the news was “deeply upsetting” and the school would pay the £5,860 quoted by County Hall to install its own lollipop man or woman if necessary.

The cash would have to come out of a pot used for school trips, classroom equipment and educational books.

Much-loved Angela Alden has been lollipop lady at Thundersley Primary for 15 years and is “disgusted”

by the plans, according to staff and parents.

Miss Dawson said: “We were disappointed to hear this news and it is very concerning for the school, children and parents.

“We have a crossing just up the road, but that is very close to a busy car park, so we are concerned that not only will we be without a lollipop lady, but there are cars coming from all directions.

We have now been put in a position where we will have to come up with a contingency plan and it is unfortunate. £5,890 is not money we just have lying around and if we do have to spend, it will come out of the kitty reserved for children’s education.”

Mum-of-two Sarah Ellis, 36, set up a petition to stop Angela and other lollipop men and women from being axed. She gathered 300 signatures in just five days.

Mrs Ellis, of Asquith Gardens, Thundersley, said: “It doesn’t surprise me how much support this petition has got. I have two children at Thundersley Primary and it baffles me how the county council has come to this conclusion.

I know we will get more and more support.”

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2:38pm Thu 20 Mar 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

Time to remove this Head, as she is about to pay for something deemed not needed, complete dereliction and abuse of position.
Time to remove this Head, as she is about to pay for something deemed not needed, complete dereliction and abuse of position. carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: -2

3:30pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Barry Bas says...

If they want a crossing patrol what is to stop the parent drawing up a voluntary rota to cover the crossing. I don't know if there would be any legal issues. I would imagine someone would quote Health & Safety but then that would raise the question of how does having someone do voluntary make it any more dangerous than someone being paid to do it.
If they want a crossing patrol what is to stop the parent drawing up a voluntary rota to cover the crossing. I don't know if there would be any legal issues. I would imagine someone would quote Health & Safety but then that would raise the question of how does having someone do voluntary make it any more dangerous than someone being paid to do it. Barry Bas
  • Score: 8

4:11pm Thu 20 Mar 14

runwellian says...

Surely it is up to the parents to teach their kids how to cross the road safely, if not, walk them to school and see them across the road themselves?

Why should badly needed funding be taken from a school budget to provide a service that any well disciplined child doesn't need?

Most of the drivers around schools are badly behaved parents who show no respect for other road users, park where they think fit and sod everyone else.

the Lollipop folk I know wait until the traffic lights turn green then walk into the road to help kids across ... somebody needs to tell them that there is also a RED light fro which the traffic will stop!

If the parents want the service, let them pay by having a whip round!
Surely it is up to the parents to teach their kids how to cross the road safely, if not, walk them to school and see them across the road themselves? Why should badly needed funding be taken from a school budget to provide a service that any well disciplined child doesn't need? Most of the drivers around schools are badly behaved parents who show no respect for other road users, park where they think fit and sod everyone else. the Lollipop folk I know wait until the traffic lights turn green then walk into the road to help kids across ... somebody needs to tell them that there is also a RED light fro which the traffic will stop! If the parents want the service, let them pay by having a whip round! runwellian
  • Score: 4

4:56pm Thu 20 Mar 14

cockleshed says...

Amazed at the above comments... carnmountyouknowitma
kessense... The Head has a duty of care and in this respect offering to pay for a crossing patrol is within this remit. Barry Bas... valid point but you are then going to need to get any parent CRB checked, a monumental task.. runwellian... Not all school crossing are light controlled and i such case it drivers that need educating to stop at zebra crossings where needed not just pile through thinking the driver behind stops... If one child looses their life through these cuts it will be tragic .
Amazed at the above comments... carnmountyouknowitma kessense... The Head has a duty of care and in this respect offering to pay for a crossing patrol is within this remit. Barry Bas... valid point but you are then going to need to get any parent CRB checked, a monumental task.. runwellian... Not all school crossing are light controlled and i such case it drivers that need educating to stop at zebra crossings where needed not just pile through thinking the driver behind stops... If one child looses their life through these cuts it will be tragic . cockleshed
  • Score: 1

5:19pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Salvo The Clown says...

Although I have heard the school currently have the funds to sponsor the lollipop lady outside Thundersley village school, I personally feel this is a move in the wrong direction as the school funds should have been used towards the children and not for bailing out Essex County Council.
Although I have heard the school currently have the funds to sponsor the lollipop lady outside Thundersley village school, I personally feel this is a move in the wrong direction as the school funds should have been used towards the children and not for bailing out Essex County Council. Salvo The Clown
  • Score: 2

6:00pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
Time to remove this Head, as she is about to pay for something deemed not needed, complete dereliction and abuse of position.
Like every time you open your mouth.

Well, get up to date on this. The latest on this is due for publication in the next few days.

Then for once, you can get your facts right.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Time to remove this Head, as she is about to pay for something deemed not needed, complete dereliction and abuse of position.[/p][/quote]Like every time you open your mouth. Well, get up to date on this. The latest on this is due for publication in the next few days. Then for once, you can get your facts right. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 2

6:00pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
Time to remove this Head, as she is about to pay for something deemed not needed, complete dereliction and abuse of position.
Like every time you open your mouth.

Well, get up to date on this. The latest on this is due for publication in the next few days.

Then for once, you can get your facts right.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Time to remove this Head, as she is about to pay for something deemed not needed, complete dereliction and abuse of position.[/p][/quote]Like every time you open your mouth. Well, get up to date on this. The latest on this is due for publication in the next few days. Then for once, you can get your facts right. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 1

6:00pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
Time to remove this Head, as she is about to pay for something deemed not needed, complete dereliction and abuse of position.
Like every time you open your mouth.

Well, get up to date on this. The latest on this is due for publication in the next few days.

Then for once, you can get your facts right.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Time to remove this Head, as she is about to pay for something deemed not needed, complete dereliction and abuse of position.[/p][/quote]Like every time you open your mouth. Well, get up to date on this. The latest on this is due for publication in the next few days. Then for once, you can get your facts right. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 1

6:04pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

All the usual naysayers.

Lollipop ladies and men have been around for decades and seen some of you and your children and grandchildren across the road.

Why the sudden bandwagon jumping hate campaign?

Or is it that you all like to agree because nobody wants to be the odd one out and have to suffer the sort of screaming abuse I usually get?

Well, abuse away. You know nine times out of ten I don't read it anyway.

These people provide a valuable service. You moan and b1tch when parents drive their kids to school and still moan and b!tch when they let their kids walk.

Most parents are responsible and teach their kids the green cross code but there is always that odd moment when a child runs out without thinking because they've been distracted.

You were all children once. And would have behaved as such.

Now some of you just behave like old f@rts.
All the usual naysayers. Lollipop ladies and men have been around for decades and seen some of you and your children and grandchildren across the road. Why the sudden bandwagon jumping hate campaign? Or is it that you all like to agree because nobody wants to be the odd one out and have to suffer the sort of screaming abuse I usually get? Well, abuse away. You know nine times out of ten I don't read it anyway. These people provide a valuable service. You moan and b1tch when parents drive their kids to school and still moan and b!tch when they let their kids walk. Most parents are responsible and teach their kids the green cross code but there is always that odd moment when a child runs out without thinking because they've been distracted. You were all children once. And would have behaved as such. Now some of you just behave like old f@rts. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 1

6:16pm Thu 20 Mar 14

John T Pharro says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
Time to remove this Head, as she is about to pay for something deemed not needed, complete dereliction and abuse of position.
Has to be approved by the Governing Body and all schools have a duty of care for their children both in and out of school. The first time a child is injured or worse on a previous patrolled crossing just watch for the flak and fallout and who is to blame.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: Time to remove this Head, as she is about to pay for something deemed not needed, complete dereliction and abuse of position.[/p][/quote]Has to be approved by the Governing Body and all schools have a duty of care for their children both in and out of school. The first time a child is injured or worse on a previous patrolled crossing just watch for the flak and fallout and who is to blame. John T Pharro
  • Score: 2

6:20pm Thu 20 Mar 14

John T Pharro says...

cockleshed wrote:
Amazed at the above comments... carnmountyouknowitma

kessense... The Head has a duty of care and in this respect offering to pay for a crossing patrol is within this remit. Barry Bas... valid point but you are then going to need to get any parent CRB checked, a monumental task.. runwellian... Not all school crossing are light controlled and i such case it drivers that need educating to stop at zebra crossings where needed not just pile through thinking the driver behind stops... If one child looses their life through these cuts it will be tragic .
And when a crossing is made traffic controlled like the one in Somnes Avenue now being installed it costs a small fortune. Not just in the installation and all the disruption caused, but the ongoing maintainence costs.
[quote][p][bold]cockleshed[/bold] wrote: Amazed at the above comments... carnmountyouknowitma kessense... The Head has a duty of care and in this respect offering to pay for a crossing patrol is within this remit. Barry Bas... valid point but you are then going to need to get any parent CRB checked, a monumental task.. runwellian... Not all school crossing are light controlled and i such case it drivers that need educating to stop at zebra crossings where needed not just pile through thinking the driver behind stops... If one child looses their life through these cuts it will be tragic .[/p][/quote]And when a crossing is made traffic controlled like the one in Somnes Avenue now being installed it costs a small fortune. Not just in the installation and all the disruption caused, but the ongoing maintainence costs. John T Pharro
  • Score: 0

6:52pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Salvo The Clown says...

Please forgive me but what I've said above I now realise looks as though I was unfortunately having a go at the school when it was intended to be having a go at Essex County Council as I think it down right discussing for schools to be expected to cover any short fall of Funds such as covering the cost of having a very important and much valued lollipop person outside our schools. PLEASE Essex County Council think again.
Please forgive me but what I've said above I now realise looks as though I was unfortunately having a go at the school when it was intended to be having a go at Essex County Council as I think it down right discussing for schools to be expected to cover any short fall of Funds such as covering the cost of having a very important and much valued lollipop person outside our schools. PLEASE Essex County Council think again. Salvo The Clown
  • Score: 2

7:03pm Thu 20 Mar 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

John T Pharro wrote:
cockleshed wrote:
Amazed at the above comments... carnmountyouknowitma


kessense... The Head has a duty of care and in this respect offering to pay for a crossing patrol is within this remit. Barry Bas... valid point but you are then going to need to get any parent CRB checked, a monumental task.. runwellian... Not all school crossing are light controlled and i such case it drivers that need educating to stop at zebra crossings where needed not just pile through thinking the driver behind stops... If one child looses their life through these cuts it will be tragic .
And when a crossing is made traffic controlled like the one in Somnes Avenue now being installed it costs a small fortune. Not just in the installation and all the disruption caused, but the ongoing maintainence costs.
Living so far east, as you do, Im not surprised your a little miffed, however, the time to use retirees as road crossing experts has passed.
You mention cost, big mistake, as how much is it worth, to ensure the safety of children.
Just like our flat dwelling EDF Kim, you have made yourselfs to look like complete buffoons, over your arguments, for the retention of this archaic road crossing assistance.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cockleshed[/bold] wrote: Amazed at the above comments... carnmountyouknowitma kessense... The Head has a duty of care and in this respect offering to pay for a crossing patrol is within this remit. Barry Bas... valid point but you are then going to need to get any parent CRB checked, a monumental task.. runwellian... Not all school crossing are light controlled and i such case it drivers that need educating to stop at zebra crossings where needed not just pile through thinking the driver behind stops... If one child looses their life through these cuts it will be tragic .[/p][/quote]And when a crossing is made traffic controlled like the one in Somnes Avenue now being installed it costs a small fortune. Not just in the installation and all the disruption caused, but the ongoing maintainence costs.[/p][/quote]Living so far east, as you do, Im not surprised your a little miffed, however, the time to use retirees as road crossing experts has passed. You mention cost, big mistake, as how much is it worth, to ensure the safety of children. Just like our flat dwelling EDF Kim, you have made yourselfs to look like complete buffoons, over your arguments, for the retention of this archaic road crossing assistance. carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 1

11:49pm Thu 20 Mar 14

saarfender says...

Traffic Wardens are essential, not only for the safety of the children but also the flow of traffic.

Yes posters above are right in saying parents should teach their children how to cross the road. It would also be easy for parents/children to gridlock areas simply by having a constant flow of pedestrians across the zebra crossings that used to be staffed by wardens.

I fear that Essex County Council have overlooked this. In their haste to save money and let parents just use zebra crossings, they have forgotten that the wardens gather the pedestrians into groups while traffic flows, then stop the traffic to let the group cross safely.

Come on Essex, don't be silly, keep the wardens.
Traffic Wardens are essential, not only for the safety of the children but also the flow of traffic. Yes posters above are right in saying parents should teach their children how to cross the road. It would also be easy for parents/children to gridlock areas simply by having a constant flow of pedestrians across the zebra crossings that used to be staffed by wardens. I fear that Essex County Council have overlooked this. In their haste to save money and let parents just use zebra crossings, they have forgotten that the wardens gather the pedestrians into groups while traffic flows, then stop the traffic to let the group cross safely. Come on Essex, don't be silly, keep the wardens. saarfender
  • Score: 3

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