Security guard urges Essex County Council to turn street lights back on after he was mugged in Basildon

Security guard urges council to turn street lights back on after he was mugged

Security guard urges council to turn street lights back on after he was mugged

First published in Local News Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

A SECURITY guard has condemned Essex County Council’s decision to switch off street lights after he was mugged on a pitch-black footbridge.

Michael Smith, 39, was returning from an alarm callout at about 12.30am on Thursday when he was set upon by a thug in Upper Mayne.

The robber shoved him to the ground before stealing his bank card from his pocket and making off into the night.

Mr Smith, of Pretoria Avenue, Noak Bridge, badly hurt his knee, but managed to dial 999 on his mobile phone and stumbled to a nearby roundabout where he was picked up by police.

He said: “It’s left me really shaken. I spent all Wednesday night in Basildon police station and all day Thursday in Basildon Hospital A&E.

“Essex County Council must switch the street lights back on before more people are attacked.”

Mr Smith had attended an alarm callout at Boots Chemist, in Basildon town centre, just before midnight.

He said: “I don’t drive but the callout was not very far from my house, so I decided to walk home.

“It was about half an hour after the street lights went out and as I got out of the town centre it was pitch black – I could not see very far in front of me.

“I waswalking over the footbridge when I heard a noise behind me so I sped up. The next thing this person just shoved me to the ground, put his hand in to my pocket and took my bank card.

“Then he just ran off in to the night. It was so dark I could not really see where he went.

“I landed on my left knee and it was very painful. I called the police who told me to walk down to the roundabout where they picked me up.

“They came within about five minutes and took me to the police station. They were very good.”

Mr Smith was attacked in the stretch of road that runs parallel with Gloucester Park.

Doctors have told Mr Smith, who also works as a security guard in a Chelmsford Tesco, he has suffered soft tissue damage in his knee.

Mr Smith added: “It’s left me really nervous. Having these lights off is just putting people at risk.”

Essex County Council has turned off about 70 per cent of street lights, from midnight to 5am across the county, to save money.

They had not replied by the time the Echo went to press after being asked for a comment.

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10:39am Mon 24 Mar 14

andy:) says...

And so it begins...now whilst it could be argued that this attack may have happened anyway, this incident and I suspect other crimes and incidents of people tripping or car crashes are likely to be blamed on the switch off and ECC is leaving itself wide open for claims of liability and compensation.

Get well soon Mr Smith.
And so it begins...now whilst it could be argued that this attack may have happened anyway, this incident and I suspect other crimes and incidents of people tripping or car crashes are likely to be blamed on the switch off and ECC is leaving itself wide open for claims of liability and compensation. Get well soon Mr Smith. andy:)
  • Score: 26

10:56am Mon 24 Mar 14

runwellian says...

Have you not heard of torches?
As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety!

even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it?

As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?
Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess? runwellian
  • Score: -54

11:16am Mon 24 Mar 14

Chris Flunk says...

Can we see the crime figures from before and after the switch off rather than making a sensationalist judgement based on a single incident?
Can we see the crime figures from before and after the switch off rather than making a sensationalist judgement based on a single incident? Chris Flunk
  • Score: 13

11:23am Mon 24 Mar 14

LinfordsLunchbox says...

runwellian wrote:
Have you not heard of torches?
As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety!

even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it?

As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?
Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch
[quote][p][bold]runwellian[/bold] wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?[/p][/quote]Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch LinfordsLunchbox
  • Score: 59

11:32am Mon 24 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

LinfordsLunchbox wrote:
runwellian wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?
Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch
some decent sized all metal torches would be quite effective, when smashed full tilt into the thieving scum bags face.....
[quote][p][bold]LinfordsLunchbox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]runwellian[/bold] wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?[/p][/quote]Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch[/p][/quote]some decent sized all metal torches would be quite effective, when smashed full tilt into the thieving scum bags face..... pembury53
  • Score: 45

11:49am Mon 24 Mar 14

I hate the police! says...

This guy is an idiot. Walking from Basildon to Noak Bridge is pretty far on foot, especially on foot and in the pitch black. And how much is this ugly sod getting as well? Minimum wage? Seems well worth it!
This guy is an idiot. Walking from Basildon to Noak Bridge is pretty far on foot, especially on foot and in the pitch black. And how much is this ugly sod getting as well? Minimum wage? Seems well worth it! I hate the police!
  • Score: -58

12:10pm Mon 24 Mar 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

pembury53 wrote:
LinfordsLunchbox wrote:
runwellian wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?
Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch
some decent sized all metal torches would be quite effective, when smashed full tilt into the thieving scum bags face.....
Mag Lites can be useful like you describe, i must be honest and say i am surprised this chap didn't have something like that on him, i thought night security guards had certain kit about them, i know i would have the full monty inc a concealed stab vest and various bits and bobs, its a jungle out there.

this blackout issue don't affect our areas in SBC(we even have our street lights on 24/7 along London Road) but i can image what it would be like and its not a good picture.
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LinfordsLunchbox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]runwellian[/bold] wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?[/p][/quote]Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch[/p][/quote]some decent sized all metal torches would be quite effective, when smashed full tilt into the thieving scum bags face.....[/p][/quote]Mag Lites can be useful like you describe, i must be honest and say i am surprised this chap didn't have something like that on him, i thought night security guards had certain kit about them, i know i would have the full monty inc a concealed stab vest and various bits and bobs, its a jungle out there. this blackout issue don't affect our areas in SBC(we even have our street lights on 24/7 along London Road) but i can image what it would be like and its not a good picture. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 13

12:20pm Mon 24 Mar 14

cg1blue says...

runwellian wrote:
Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?
Maybe you're missing the point. Switching the lights off has made areas like this perfect ambush points for muggers.
If we followed your logic we wouldn't need any modern day amenities.
[quote][p][bold]runwellian[/bold] wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?[/p][/quote]Maybe you're missing the point. Switching the lights off has made areas like this perfect ambush points for muggers. If we followed your logic we wouldn't need any modern day amenities. cg1blue
  • Score: 19

12:22pm Mon 24 Mar 14

News Bunny says...

Torches are bloody good for letting a mugger know where a potential victim is. Might as well have a neon sign saying 'come and get me' as a hat. :)
Torches are bloody good for letting a mugger know where a potential victim is. Might as well have a neon sign saying 'come and get me' as a hat. :) News Bunny
  • Score: 23

12:23pm Mon 24 Mar 14

boo beckett says...

runwellian wrote:
Have you not heard of torches?
As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety!

even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it?

As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?
He didn't get beaten up because he couldn't see where he was going. He got beaten up because the mugger knew no one would be able to witness the attack due to the lack of lighting.
[quote][p][bold]runwellian[/bold] wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?[/p][/quote]He didn't get beaten up because he couldn't see where he was going. He got beaten up because the mugger knew no one would be able to witness the attack due to the lack of lighting. boo beckett
  • Score: 35

12:33pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Howard Cháse says...

Do all the lights lighting up the road along Upper Mayne get turned off as well as the streetlights then?
Do all the lights lighting up the road along Upper Mayne get turned off as well as the streetlights then? Howard Cháse
  • Score: 5

12:50pm Mon 24 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
LinfordsLunchbox wrote:
runwellian wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?
Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch
some decent sized all metal torches would be quite effective, when smashed full tilt into the thieving scum bags face.....
Mag Lites can be useful like you describe, i must be honest and say i am surprised this chap didn't have something like that on him, i thought night security guards had certain kit about them, i know i would have the full monty inc a concealed stab vest and various bits and bobs, its a jungle out there. this blackout issue don't affect our areas in SBC(we even have our street lights on 24/7 along London Road) but i can image what it would be like and its not a good picture.
your right, it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon.... iv'e heard of maglights described as pretty average torches but great batons, so there you go !
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LinfordsLunchbox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]runwellian[/bold] wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?[/p][/quote]Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch[/p][/quote]some decent sized all metal torches would be quite effective, when smashed full tilt into the thieving scum bags face.....[/p][/quote]Mag Lites can be useful like you describe, i must be honest and say i am surprised this chap didn't have something like that on him, i thought night security guards had certain kit about them, i know i would have the full monty inc a concealed stab vest and various bits and bobs, its a jungle out there. this blackout issue don't affect our areas in SBC(we even have our street lights on 24/7 along London Road) but i can image what it would be like and its not a good picture.[/p][/quote]your right, it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon.... iv'e heard of maglights described as pretty average torches but great batons, so there you go ! pembury53
  • Score: 9

12:57pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Bettycraven says...

My sister+ myself got the last train back to basildon on Saturday night and normally we would be perfectly fine walking back then going our separate ways for the last 1/4 of a mile but no way could I let her walk alone without the street lights on, you could just about see your own feet.
In the end my we walked to mine+ my husband walked her back but to be honest I don't think this is right, we are now held to ransom to either get a cab or get a lift or buy a torch or an alarm( which is a ridiculous thing to say)
We pay our council tax so the lights should be kept on, maybe at least till the last trains stop running or businesses close.
My sister+ myself got the last train back to basildon on Saturday night and normally we would be perfectly fine walking back then going our separate ways for the last 1/4 of a mile but no way could I let her walk alone without the street lights on, you could just about see your own feet. In the end my we walked to mine+ my husband walked her back but to be honest I don't think this is right, we are now held to ransom to either get a cab or get a lift or buy a torch or an alarm( which is a ridiculous thing to say) We pay our council tax so the lights should be kept on, maybe at least till the last trains stop running or businesses close. Bettycraven
  • Score: 32

1:01pm Mon 24 Mar 14

cg1blue says...

pembury53 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
LinfordsLunchbox wrote:
runwellian wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?
Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch
some decent sized all metal torches would be quite effective, when smashed full tilt into the thieving scum bags face.....
Mag Lites can be useful like you describe, i must be honest and say i am surprised this chap didn't have something like that on him, i thought night security guards had certain kit about them, i know i would have the full monty inc a concealed stab vest and various bits and bobs, its a jungle out there. this blackout issue don't affect our areas in SBC(we even have our street lights on 24/7 along London Road) but i can image what it would be like and its not a good picture.
your right, it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon.... iv'e heard of maglights described as pretty average torches but great batons, so there you go !
" it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon"

Precisely, so let's have the lights back on!
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LinfordsLunchbox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]runwellian[/bold] wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?[/p][/quote]Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch[/p][/quote]some decent sized all metal torches would be quite effective, when smashed full tilt into the thieving scum bags face.....[/p][/quote]Mag Lites can be useful like you describe, i must be honest and say i am surprised this chap didn't have something like that on him, i thought night security guards had certain kit about them, i know i would have the full monty inc a concealed stab vest and various bits and bobs, its a jungle out there. this blackout issue don't affect our areas in SBC(we even have our street lights on 24/7 along London Road) but i can image what it would be like and its not a good picture.[/p][/quote]your right, it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon.... iv'e heard of maglights described as pretty average torches but great batons, so there you go ![/p][/quote]" it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon" Precisely, so let's have the lights back on! cg1blue
  • Score: 16

1:06pm Mon 24 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

cg1blue wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
LinfordsLunchbox wrote:
runwellian wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?
Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch
some decent sized all metal torches would be quite effective, when smashed full tilt into the thieving scum bags face.....
Mag Lites can be useful like you describe, i must be honest and say i am surprised this chap didn't have something like that on him, i thought night security guards had certain kit about them, i know i would have the full monty inc a concealed stab vest and various bits and bobs, its a jungle out there. this blackout issue don't affect our areas in SBC(we even have our street lights on 24/7 along London Road) but i can image what it would be like and its not a good picture.
your right, it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon.... iv'e heard of maglights described as pretty average torches but great batons, so there you go !
" it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon" Precisely, so let's have the lights back on!
fine by me...
[quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LinfordsLunchbox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]runwellian[/bold] wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?[/p][/quote]Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch[/p][/quote]some decent sized all metal torches would be quite effective, when smashed full tilt into the thieving scum bags face.....[/p][/quote]Mag Lites can be useful like you describe, i must be honest and say i am surprised this chap didn't have something like that on him, i thought night security guards had certain kit about them, i know i would have the full monty inc a concealed stab vest and various bits and bobs, its a jungle out there. this blackout issue don't affect our areas in SBC(we even have our street lights on 24/7 along London Road) but i can image what it would be like and its not a good picture.[/p][/quote]your right, it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon.... iv'e heard of maglights described as pretty average torches but great batons, so there you go ![/p][/quote]" it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon" Precisely, so let's have the lights back on![/p][/quote]fine by me... pembury53
  • Score: 0

1:09pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Ageing Commuter says...

Putting aside the issue of street lights not being on and I don't necessarilly disbelieve this Man's story but something in the reporting doesn't add up. There is only footbridge in Upper Mayne and it links Gloucester Park and Little Lullaways. I would imagine his walk from the Town Centre back to Noakbridge would take him along westside of Upper Mayne along the footpath that runs in fron tof the houses that overllok Upper Mayne. Why then would he cross over Upper Mayne via the footbridge into Gloucester Park that would be in total darkness whereas if he followed the footpath along the westside of Upper Mayne he would have some light from the houses etc. If he was walking home through Gloucester Park he was lucky he wasn't mugged in there as there are no lights on in there at that time of night so it would be darker than along the Upper Mayne footpath. As I said, this sotry doesn't make any logical sense.
Putting aside the issue of street lights not being on and I don't necessarilly disbelieve this Man's story but something in the reporting doesn't add up. There is only footbridge in Upper Mayne and it links Gloucester Park and Little Lullaways. I would imagine his walk from the Town Centre back to Noakbridge would take him along westside of Upper Mayne along the footpath that runs in fron tof the houses that overllok Upper Mayne. Why then would he cross over Upper Mayne via the footbridge into Gloucester Park that would be in total darkness whereas if he followed the footpath along the westside of Upper Mayne he would have some light from the houses etc. If he was walking home through Gloucester Park he was lucky he wasn't mugged in there as there are no lights on in there at that time of night so it would be darker than along the Upper Mayne footpath. As I said, this sotry doesn't make any logical sense. Ageing Commuter
  • Score: -8

1:28pm Mon 24 Mar 14

cg1blue says...

Ageing Commuter wrote:
Putting aside the issue of street lights not being on and I don't necessarilly disbelieve this Man's story but something in the reporting doesn't add up. There is only footbridge in Upper Mayne and it links Gloucester Park and Little Lullaways. I would imagine his walk from the Town Centre back to Noakbridge would take him along westside of Upper Mayne along the footpath that runs in fron tof the houses that overllok Upper Mayne. Why then would he cross over Upper Mayne via the footbridge into Gloucester Park that would be in total darkness whereas if he followed the footpath along the westside of Upper Mayne he would have some light from the houses etc. If he was walking home through Gloucester Park he was lucky he wasn't mugged in there as there are no lights on in there at that time of night so it would be darker than along the Upper Mayne footpath. As I said, this sotry doesn't make any logical sense.
Well done Columbo. Still doesn't get away from the fact he was mugged under cover of the pitch black night....
[quote][p][bold]Ageing Commuter[/bold] wrote: Putting aside the issue of street lights not being on and I don't necessarilly disbelieve this Man's story but something in the reporting doesn't add up. There is only footbridge in Upper Mayne and it links Gloucester Park and Little Lullaways. I would imagine his walk from the Town Centre back to Noakbridge would take him along westside of Upper Mayne along the footpath that runs in fron tof the houses that overllok Upper Mayne. Why then would he cross over Upper Mayne via the footbridge into Gloucester Park that would be in total darkness whereas if he followed the footpath along the westside of Upper Mayne he would have some light from the houses etc. If he was walking home through Gloucester Park he was lucky he wasn't mugged in there as there are no lights on in there at that time of night so it would be darker than along the Upper Mayne footpath. As I said, this sotry doesn't make any logical sense.[/p][/quote]Well done Columbo. Still doesn't get away from the fact he was mugged under cover of the pitch black night.... cg1blue
  • Score: 16

1:48pm Mon 24 Mar 14

jameskerin says...

If i paid for a security guard call out if my business alarm was going off i wouldn't want a guy turning up on foot. I'd want rapid response. What sort of security company is this?
If i paid for a security guard call out if my business alarm was going off i wouldn't want a guy turning up on foot. I'd want rapid response. What sort of security company is this? jameskerin
  • Score: 20

2:37pm Mon 24 Mar 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

pembury53 wrote:
cg1blue wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
LinfordsLunchbox wrote:
runwellian wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?
Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch
some decent sized all metal torches would be quite effective, when smashed full tilt into the thieving scum bags face.....
Mag Lites can be useful like you describe, i must be honest and say i am surprised this chap didn't have something like that on him, i thought night security guards had certain kit about them, i know i would have the full monty inc a concealed stab vest and various bits and bobs, its a jungle out there. this blackout issue don't affect our areas in SBC(we even have our street lights on 24/7 along London Road) but i can image what it would be like and its not a good picture.
your right, it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon.... iv'e heard of maglights described as pretty average torches but great batons, so there you go !
" it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon" Precisely, so let's have the lights back on!
fine by me...
It truly is pembury53,, i often think to myself It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under Broken glass everywhere People pi$sing on the stairs at you know they just don't care,
I can't take the smell, I can't take the noise Got no money to move out
I guess I got no choice,Rats in the front room roaches in the back
Junkies in the alley with the baseball bat,I tried to get away, but I couldn't get far cause a man with a tow-truck repossessed my car
Stabbed that man right in his heart
Gave him a transplant for a brand new start
I can't walk through the park, cause it's crazy after dark(no lights)
Keep my hand on my gun, cause they got me on the run
I feel like a outlaw, broke my last glass jar
Hear them say: "You want some more livin' on a seesaw ?"

Yup its a jungle alright...huh huh huh huh.
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LinfordsLunchbox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]runwellian[/bold] wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?[/p][/quote]Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch[/p][/quote]some decent sized all metal torches would be quite effective, when smashed full tilt into the thieving scum bags face.....[/p][/quote]Mag Lites can be useful like you describe, i must be honest and say i am surprised this chap didn't have something like that on him, i thought night security guards had certain kit about them, i know i would have the full monty inc a concealed stab vest and various bits and bobs, its a jungle out there. this blackout issue don't affect our areas in SBC(we even have our street lights on 24/7 along London Road) but i can image what it would be like and its not a good picture.[/p][/quote]your right, it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon.... iv'e heard of maglights described as pretty average torches but great batons, so there you go ![/p][/quote]" it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon" Precisely, so let's have the lights back on![/p][/quote]fine by me...[/p][/quote]It truly is pembury53,, i often think to myself It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under Broken glass everywhere People pi$sing on the stairs at you know they just don't care, I can't take the smell, I can't take the noise Got no money to move out I guess I got no choice,Rats in the front room roaches in the back Junkies in the alley with the baseball bat,I tried to get away, but I couldn't get far cause a man with a tow-truck repossessed my car Stabbed that man right in his heart Gave him a transplant for a brand new start I can't walk through the park, cause it's crazy after dark(no lights) Keep my hand on my gun, cause they got me on the run I feel like a outlaw, broke my last glass jar Hear them say: "You want some more livin' on a seesaw ?" Yup its a jungle alright...huh huh huh huh. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 0

3:41pm Mon 24 Mar 14

I hate the police! says...

Bettycraven wrote:
My sister+ myself got the last train back to basildon on Saturday night and normally we would be perfectly fine walking back then going our separate ways for the last 1/4 of a mile but no way could I let her walk alone without the street lights on, you could just about see your own feet.
In the end my we walked to mine+ my husband walked her back but to be honest I don't think this is right, we are now held to ransom to either get a cab or get a lift or buy a torch or an alarm( which is a ridiculous thing to say)
We pay our council tax so the lights should be kept on, maybe at least till the last trains stop running or businesses close.
Don't bother me. I'm tucked up in bed between those hours. Dont know what all the fuss is about.
[quote][p][bold]Bettycraven[/bold] wrote: My sister+ myself got the last train back to basildon on Saturday night and normally we would be perfectly fine walking back then going our separate ways for the last 1/4 of a mile but no way could I let her walk alone without the street lights on, you could just about see your own feet. In the end my we walked to mine+ my husband walked her back but to be honest I don't think this is right, we are now held to ransom to either get a cab or get a lift or buy a torch or an alarm( which is a ridiculous thing to say) We pay our council tax so the lights should be kept on, maybe at least till the last trains stop running or businesses close.[/p][/quote]Don't bother me. I'm tucked up in bed between those hours. Dont know what all the fuss is about. I hate the police!
  • Score: -16

4:10pm Mon 24 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
cg1blue wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
LinfordsLunchbox wrote:
runwellian wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?
Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch
some decent sized all metal torches would be quite effective, when smashed full tilt into the thieving scum bags face.....
Mag Lites can be useful like you describe, i must be honest and say i am surprised this chap didn't have something like that on him, i thought night security guards had certain kit about them, i know i would have the full monty inc a concealed stab vest and various bits and bobs, its a jungle out there. this blackout issue don't affect our areas in SBC(we even have our street lights on 24/7 along London Road) but i can image what it would be like and its not a good picture.
your right, it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon.... iv'e heard of maglights described as pretty average torches but great batons, so there you go !
" it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon" Precisely, so let's have the lights back on!
fine by me...
It truly is pembury53,, i often think to myself It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under Broken glass everywhere People pi$sing on the stairs at you know they just don't care, I can't take the smell, I can't take the noise Got no money to move out I guess I got no choice,Rats in the front room roaches in the back Junkies in the alley with the baseball bat,I tried to get away, but I couldn't get far cause a man with a tow-truck repossessed my car Stabbed that man right in his heart Gave him a transplant for a brand new start I can't walk through the park, cause it's crazy after dark(no lights) Keep my hand on my gun, cause they got me on the run I feel like a outlaw, broke my last glass jar Hear them say: "You want some more livin' on a seesaw ?" Yup its a jungle alright...huh huh huh huh.
britains got talent after all.....
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cg1blue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LinfordsLunchbox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]runwellian[/bold] wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?[/p][/quote]Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch[/p][/quote]some decent sized all metal torches would be quite effective, when smashed full tilt into the thieving scum bags face.....[/p][/quote]Mag Lites can be useful like you describe, i must be honest and say i am surprised this chap didn't have something like that on him, i thought night security guards had certain kit about them, i know i would have the full monty inc a concealed stab vest and various bits and bobs, its a jungle out there. this blackout issue don't affect our areas in SBC(we even have our street lights on 24/7 along London Road) but i can image what it would be like and its not a good picture.[/p][/quote]your right, it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon.... iv'e heard of maglights described as pretty average torches but great batons, so there you go ![/p][/quote]" it's a jungle out there and it isn't getting better anytime soon" Precisely, so let's have the lights back on![/p][/quote]fine by me...[/p][/quote]It truly is pembury53,, i often think to myself It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under Broken glass everywhere People pi$sing on the stairs at you know they just don't care, I can't take the smell, I can't take the noise Got no money to move out I guess I got no choice,Rats in the front room roaches in the back Junkies in the alley with the baseball bat,I tried to get away, but I couldn't get far cause a man with a tow-truck repossessed my car Stabbed that man right in his heart Gave him a transplant for a brand new start I can't walk through the park, cause it's crazy after dark(no lights) Keep my hand on my gun, cause they got me on the run I feel like a outlaw, broke my last glass jar Hear them say: "You want some more livin' on a seesaw ?" Yup its a jungle alright...huh huh huh huh.[/p][/quote]britains got talent after all..... pembury53
  • Score: -3

4:16pm Mon 24 Mar 14

andy:) says...

LinfordsLunchbox wrote:
runwellian wrote:
Have you not heard of torches?
As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety!

even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it?

As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?
Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch
I think he's getting confused with a light saber !
[quote][p][bold]LinfordsLunchbox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]runwellian[/bold] wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?[/p][/quote]Yep, its impossible to mug somebody who is in possession of a torch[/p][/quote]I think he's getting confused with a light saber ! andy:)
  • Score: 6

4:32pm Mon 24 Mar 14

John Bull 40 says...

People are mugged in broad daylight, in residential roads, so be aware at all
times. What would he have done if an intruder had been on the premises he
was called to?
People are mugged in broad daylight, in residential roads, so be aware at all times. What would he have done if an intruder had been on the premises he was called to? John Bull 40
  • Score: 5

4:52pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Letmetryagain says...

Chris Flunk wrote:
Can we see the crime figures from before and after the switch off rather than making a sensationalist judgement based on a single incident?
Oh come on, that would be far too easy.
[quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: Can we see the crime figures from before and after the switch off rather than making a sensationalist judgement based on a single incident?[/p][/quote]Oh come on, that would be far too easy. Letmetryagain
  • Score: 1

5:37pm Mon 24 Mar 14

bazza 1 says...

The Victorians started installing street lights for a very good reason. Peoples safety from injury and being robbed in the dark. Seems like the Council Officials want to take us back to the days when stepping outside your home you risked being mugged. Essex CC could not run a proverbial in a brewery. We have roads that look as if they were in a war movie, with potholes everywhere. Now they turn the lights off so you cant see the bloody holes. Walking, cycling, riding a motorcycle, or even driving a car is now a hazard avoidance exercise . Everyone saying buy a torch can go do one as far as I am concerned. We pay enough in taxes to have street lights. If they need to save money, sack ALL the employees who earn over £40,000 working for Essex CC. Most of them probably could not hold down a proper job in industry. If you check out the vehicles in the car parks of council offices, and I include Basildon Council in this, you will be pushed to find a cheap car there. Plenty of Audi and BMW's. Thats where our council tax goes. I'm sick of paying more money for NO service.
The Victorians started installing street lights for a very good reason. Peoples safety from injury and being robbed in the dark. Seems like the Council Officials want to take us back to the days when stepping outside your home you risked being mugged. Essex CC could not run a proverbial in a brewery. We have roads that look as if they were in a war movie, with potholes everywhere. Now they turn the lights off so you cant see the bloody holes. Walking, cycling, riding a motorcycle, or even driving a car is now a hazard avoidance exercise . Everyone saying buy a torch can go do one as far as I am concerned. We pay enough in taxes to have street lights. If they need to save money, sack ALL the employees who earn over £40,000 working for Essex CC. Most of them probably could not hold down a proper job in industry. If you check out the vehicles in the car parks of council offices, and I include Basildon Council in this, you will be pushed to find a cheap car there. Plenty of Audi and BMW's. Thats where our council tax goes. I'm sick of paying more money for NO service. bazza 1
  • Score: 19

5:43pm Mon 24 Mar 14

leslog says...

lets be honest you should be able to walk about in safety ,reading some of the remarks here lead me to believe being attacked in the dark is acceptable ,all this torch nonsense ,clamp down hard on offenders ,and keep lights on
lets be honest you should be able to walk about in safety ,reading some of the remarks here lead me to believe being attacked in the dark is acceptable ,all this torch nonsense ,clamp down hard on offenders ,and keep lights on leslog
  • Score: 17

6:06pm Mon 24 Mar 14

cg1blue says...

leslog wrote:
lets be honest you should be able to walk about in safety ,reading some of the remarks here lead me to believe being attacked in the dark is acceptable ,all this torch nonsense ,clamp down hard on offenders ,and keep lights on
Agreed. Man gets mugged and it's his fault for not carrying a torch?!
I would say those comments are laughable if this wasn't such a serious matter.
[quote][p][bold]leslog[/bold] wrote: lets be honest you should be able to walk about in safety ,reading some of the remarks here lead me to believe being attacked in the dark is acceptable ,all this torch nonsense ,clamp down hard on offenders ,and keep lights on[/p][/quote]Agreed. Man gets mugged and it's his fault for not carrying a torch?! I would say those comments are laughable if this wasn't such a serious matter. cg1blue
  • Score: 14

6:08pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Idontknowy says...

Guess Essex County Council will soon see how much it is saving turning the street lights off when the court cases for injuries and damages come flooding in. All tax and council tax payers should then take Essex County Council to task for negligence and waste of their money.
Guess Essex County Council will soon see how much it is saving turning the street lights off when the court cases for injuries and damages come flooding in. All tax and council tax payers should then take Essex County Council to task for negligence and waste of their money. Idontknowy
  • Score: 9

8:29pm Mon 24 Mar 14

pendulum says...

Switch them back on NOW!
Switch them back on NOW! pendulum
  • Score: 5

8:32pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

runwellian wrote:
Have you not heard of torches?
As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety!

even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it?

As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?
Sorry to disagree but a torch won't stop somebody attacking you, a panic alarm will be ignored anyway because there are hardly any people around in the early hours, unless you are in a town centre and even if there were, they'd probably walk past or at the very least call the police on their mobiles - and of course the police would probably turn up a week later.

Of course he eventually got the police but all too late to stop the attack.

There are lots of crimes now being reported after lights out - I actually speak to PEOPLE rather than just rely on newspapers - and I am hearing all sorts of stories and often the police just don't bother. And I know the denialists on here want to be proved right when they assert that the lights out won't create more opportunities for crime - until it happens to them.

We all know that dark places are perfect for criminals. They can't be seen and they can escape much more easily under cover of darkness.

God knows, we even have our own self confessed criminals on this page - they're even allowed to boast about their crimes on a local newspaper website.

This is what you get when you put lefties in charge. Look after the criminals' human rights - and s0d the victims.
[quote][p][bold]runwellian[/bold] wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?[/p][/quote]Sorry to disagree but a torch won't stop somebody attacking you, a panic alarm will be ignored anyway because there are hardly any people around in the early hours, unless you are in a town centre and even if there were, they'd probably walk past or at the very least call the police on their mobiles - and of course the police would probably turn up a week later. Of course he eventually got the police but all too late to stop the attack. There are lots of crimes now being reported after lights out - I actually speak to PEOPLE rather than just rely on newspapers - and I am hearing all sorts of stories and often the police just don't bother. And I know the denialists on here want to be proved right when they assert that the lights out won't create more opportunities for crime - until it happens to them. We all know that dark places are perfect for criminals. They can't be seen and they can escape much more easily under cover of darkness. God knows, we even have our own self confessed criminals on this page - they're even allowed to boast about their crimes on a local newspaper website. This is what you get when you put lefties in charge. Look after the criminals' human rights - and s0d the victims. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 0

7:20am Tue 25 Mar 14

ThurrockResident says...

It's not rocket science. If it's pitch black you are more likely to be attacked than if the streets are well lit. More cuts from the Tory County Council.
It's not rocket science. If it's pitch black you are more likely to be attacked than if the streets are well lit. More cuts from the Tory County Council. ThurrockResident
  • Score: 4

7:25am Tue 25 Mar 14

ThurrockResident says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
runwellian wrote:
Have you not heard of torches?
As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety!

even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it?

As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?
Sorry to disagree but a torch won't stop somebody attacking you, a panic alarm will be ignored anyway because there are hardly any people around in the early hours, unless you are in a town centre and even if there were, they'd probably walk past or at the very least call the police on their mobiles - and of course the police would probably turn up a week later.

Of course he eventually got the police but all too late to stop the attack.

There are lots of crimes now being reported after lights out - I actually speak to PEOPLE rather than just rely on newspapers - and I am hearing all sorts of stories and often the police just don't bother. And I know the denialists on here want to be proved right when they assert that the lights out won't create more opportunities for crime - until it happens to them.

We all know that dark places are perfect for criminals. They can't be seen and they can escape much more easily under cover of darkness.

God knows, we even have our own self confessed criminals on this page - they're even allowed to boast about their crimes on a local newspaper website.

This is what you get when you put lefties in charge. Look after the criminals' human rights - and s0d the victims.
Tory County Council switched lights off. Labour Thurrock still has lights on.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]runwellian[/bold] wrote: Have you not heard of torches? As a security guard you should be aware of what is available, a cap torch costs £1, a panic alarm £1, folk have to take some responsibility for their own safety! even if you could see where the thief went, with a bad knew, what could you have done about it? As for the police, you injured your knee but they wanted you to walk down to the roundabout ... whilst they sat in their car I guess?[/p][/quote]Sorry to disagree but a torch won't stop somebody attacking you, a panic alarm will be ignored anyway because there are hardly any people around in the early hours, unless you are in a town centre and even if there were, they'd probably walk past or at the very least call the police on their mobiles - and of course the police would probably turn up a week later. Of course he eventually got the police but all too late to stop the attack. There are lots of crimes now being reported after lights out - I actually speak to PEOPLE rather than just rely on newspapers - and I am hearing all sorts of stories and often the police just don't bother. And I know the denialists on here want to be proved right when they assert that the lights out won't create more opportunities for crime - until it happens to them. We all know that dark places are perfect for criminals. They can't be seen and they can escape much more easily under cover of darkness. God knows, we even have our own self confessed criminals on this page - they're even allowed to boast about their crimes on a local newspaper website. This is what you get when you put lefties in charge. Look after the criminals' human rights - and s0d the victims.[/p][/quote]Tory County Council switched lights off. Labour Thurrock still has lights on. ThurrockResident
  • Score: 4

10:46am Tue 25 Mar 14

bennykill says...

people get mugged in daylight and while the streetlights are on too. all statistical evidence shows that crime rates actually drop when the lights are turned off. i cant be the only one who thinks it is actually nice to see some stars of a night time now and not having an orange glow beaming though my curtains as I sleep. So less crime, more stars and better sleep all for less money, big thumbs up for me.
people get mugged in daylight and while the streetlights are on too. all statistical evidence shows that crime rates actually drop when the lights are turned off. i cant be the only one who thinks it is actually nice to see some stars of a night time now and not having an orange glow beaming though my curtains as I sleep. So less crime, more stars and better sleep all for less money, big thumbs up for me. bennykill
  • Score: 1

10:59am Tue 25 Mar 14

cg1blue says...

bennykill wrote:
people get mugged in daylight and while the streetlights are on too. all statistical evidence shows that crime rates actually drop when the lights are turned off. i cant be the only one who thinks it is actually nice to see some stars of a night time now and not having an orange glow beaming though my curtains as I sleep. So less crime, more stars and better sleep all for less money, big thumbs up for me.
"all statistical evidence shows that crime rates actually drop when the lights are turned off."

For a minute I thought you were being serious. You were joking.....right?
[quote][p][bold]bennykill[/bold] wrote: people get mugged in daylight and while the streetlights are on too. all statistical evidence shows that crime rates actually drop when the lights are turned off. i cant be the only one who thinks it is actually nice to see some stars of a night time now and not having an orange glow beaming though my curtains as I sleep. So less crime, more stars and better sleep all for less money, big thumbs up for me.[/p][/quote]"all statistical evidence shows that crime rates actually drop when the lights are turned off." For a minute I thought you were being serious. You were joking.....right? cg1blue
  • Score: -5

11:08am Tue 25 Mar 14

bennykill says...

cg1blue, may i suggest you just do a simple bit of reseacrh and you will see that this is something they have discovered everywhere they have tried turning the lights off. here are some links, but there are plenty more, google it yourself

http://www.bristolpo
st.co.uk/Burglars-af
raid-dark-Crime-fall
s-Bristol-street/sto
ry-13952633-detail/s
tory.html

https://www.google.c
o.uk/url?q=http://ww
w.rasc.ca/sites/defa
ult/files/iowa.pdf&s
a=U&ei=kGIxU6mgMqKa7
Qb2toGgDQ&ved=0CC8QF
jAD&usg=AFQjCNF6PEUo
21pmHQ0Jz0QWNZmIIvop
9w

https://www.google.c
o.uk/url?q=http://ww
w.watfordobserver.co
.uk/news/9632125.Cri
me_rate_down_during_
streetlight_switch_o
ff/&sa=U&ei=kGIxU6mg
MqKa7Qb2toGgDQ&ved=0
CDQQFjAE&usg=AFQjCNE
pePhlFRFxhDjmqSATjf7
B2Bskvw

http://www.essexchro
nicle.co.uk/Crime-DR
OPS-Chelmsford-stree
tlight-switch-latest
/story-20048072-deta
il/story.html

even the Daily Mail admits it
https://www.google.c
o.uk/url?q=http://ww
w.dailymail.co.uk/de
bate/article-2240083
/It-dim-turning-stre
et-lights-bright-ide
a.html&sa=U&ei=QGMxU
7XfFcap7Ab59oBo&ved=
0CCQQFjABOAo&usg=AFQ
jCNEoAB3shdQXBw3e5La
n6O7KiPfB_Q
cg1blue, may i suggest you just do a simple bit of reseacrh and you will see that this is something they have discovered everywhere they have tried turning the lights off. here are some links, but there are plenty more, google it yourself http://www.bristolpo st.co.uk/Burglars-af raid-dark-Crime-fall s-Bristol-street/sto ry-13952633-detail/s tory.html https://www.google.c o.uk/url?q=http://ww w.rasc.ca/sites/defa ult/files/iowa.pdf&s a=U&ei=kGIxU6mgMqKa7 Qb2toGgDQ&ved=0CC8QF jAD&usg=AFQjCNF6PEUo 21pmHQ0Jz0QWNZmIIvop 9w https://www.google.c o.uk/url?q=http://ww w.watfordobserver.co .uk/news/9632125.Cri me_rate_down_during_ streetlight_switch_o ff/&sa=U&ei=kGIxU6mg MqKa7Qb2toGgDQ&ved=0 CDQQFjAE&usg=AFQjCNE pePhlFRFxhDjmqSATjf7 B2Bskvw http://www.essexchro nicle.co.uk/Crime-DR OPS-Chelmsford-stree tlight-switch-latest /story-20048072-deta il/story.html even the Daily Mail admits it https://www.google.c o.uk/url?q=http://ww w.dailymail.co.uk/de bate/article-2240083 /It-dim-turning-stre et-lights-bright-ide a.html&sa=U&ei=QGMxU 7XfFcap7Ab59oBo&ved= 0CCQQFjABOAo&usg=AFQ jCNEoAB3shdQXBw3e5La n6O7KiPfB_Q bennykill
  • Score: -1

11:39am Tue 25 Mar 14

cg1blue says...

bennykill wrote:
cg1blue, may i suggest you just do a simple bit of reseacrh and you will see that this is something they have discovered everywhere they have tried turning the lights off. here are some links, but there are plenty more, google it yourself http://www.bristolpo st.co.uk/Burglars-af raid-dark-Crime-fall s-Bristol-street/sto ry-13952633-detail/s tory.html https://www.google.c o.uk/url?q=http://ww w.rasc.ca/sites/defa ult/files/iowa.pdf&a
mp;s a=U&ei=kGIxU6mgM
qKa7 Qb2toGgDQ&ved=0C
C8QF jAD&usg=AFQjCNF6
PEUo 21pmHQ0Jz0QWNZmIIvop 9w https://www.google.c o.uk/url?q=http://ww w.watfordobserver.co .uk/news/9632125.Cri me_rate_down_during_ streetlight_switch_o ff/&sa=U&ei=
kGIxU6mg MqKa7Qb2toGgDQ&v
ed=0 CDQQFjAE&usg=AFQ
jCNE pePhlFRFxhDjmqSATjf7 B2Bskvw http://www.essexchro nicle.co.uk/Crime-DR OPS-Chelmsford-stree tlight-switch-latest /story-20048072-deta il/story.html even the Daily Mail admits it https://www.google.c o.uk/url?q=http://ww w.dailymail.co.uk/de bate/article-2240083 /It-dim-turning-stre et-lights-bright-ide a.html&sa=U&
ei=QGMxU 7XfFcap7Ab59oBo&
ved= 0CCQQFjABOAo&usg
=AFQ jCNEoAB3shdQXBw3e5La n6O7KiPfB_Q
Interesting reading, thanks bennykill. I have to admit I didn't realise stats were available yet.
I do have some reservations about statistics though, and how they can be manipulated to suit interested parties. I notice certain comments in there such as:

“However there were some increases recorded in Watford for incidents such as assault, burglary and theft”

Also I'm not sure these rules are being strictly followed by ECC:

“Stringent rules are followed that automatically exclude some lights, including those at road junctions or roundabouts, as well as those in areas with above-average traffic accident or crime statistics.Lights next to sheltered housing or 24-hour emergency services are also excluded, as are those near pedestrian crossings, subways, enclosed footpaths and alleyways.”

I'd be very happy if I'm proved wrong and we all save money and crime rates go down.
[quote][p][bold]bennykill[/bold] wrote: cg1blue, may i suggest you just do a simple bit of reseacrh and you will see that this is something they have discovered everywhere they have tried turning the lights off. here are some links, but there are plenty more, google it yourself http://www.bristolpo st.co.uk/Burglars-af raid-dark-Crime-fall s-Bristol-street/sto ry-13952633-detail/s tory.html https://www.google.c o.uk/url?q=http://ww w.rasc.ca/sites/defa ult/files/iowa.pdf&a mp;s a=U&ei=kGIxU6mgM qKa7 Qb2toGgDQ&ved=0C C8QF jAD&usg=AFQjCNF6 PEUo 21pmHQ0Jz0QWNZmIIvop 9w https://www.google.c o.uk/url?q=http://ww w.watfordobserver.co .uk/news/9632125.Cri me_rate_down_during_ streetlight_switch_o ff/&sa=U&ei= kGIxU6mg MqKa7Qb2toGgDQ&v ed=0 CDQQFjAE&usg=AFQ jCNE pePhlFRFxhDjmqSATjf7 B2Bskvw http://www.essexchro nicle.co.uk/Crime-DR OPS-Chelmsford-stree tlight-switch-latest /story-20048072-deta il/story.html even the Daily Mail admits it https://www.google.c o.uk/url?q=http://ww w.dailymail.co.uk/de bate/article-2240083 /It-dim-turning-stre et-lights-bright-ide a.html&sa=U& ei=QGMxU 7XfFcap7Ab59oBo& ved= 0CCQQFjABOAo&usg =AFQ jCNEoAB3shdQXBw3e5La n6O7KiPfB_Q[/p][/quote]Interesting reading, thanks bennykill. I have to admit I didn't realise stats were available yet. I do have some reservations about statistics though, and how they can be manipulated to suit interested parties. I notice certain comments in there such as: “However there were some increases recorded in Watford for incidents such as assault, burglary and theft” Also I'm not sure these rules are being strictly followed by ECC: “Stringent rules are followed that automatically exclude some lights, including those at road junctions or roundabouts, as well as those in areas with above-average traffic accident or crime statistics.Lights next to sheltered housing or 24-hour emergency services are also excluded, as are those near pedestrian crossings, subways, enclosed footpaths and alleyways.” I'd be very happy if I'm proved wrong and we all save money and crime rates go down. cg1blue
  • Score: 2

12:57pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Howard Cháse says...

John Bull 40 wrote:
People are mugged in broad daylight, in residential roads, so be aware at all
times. What would he have done if an intruder had been on the premises he
was called to?
Soiled his britches
[quote][p][bold]John Bull 40[/bold] wrote: People are mugged in broad daylight, in residential roads, so be aware at all times. What would he have done if an intruder had been on the premises he was called to?[/p][/quote]Soiled his britches Howard Cháse
  • Score: 2

12:58pm Tue 25 Mar 14

imnotanimby says...

Like most people I wouldn't walk around the streets on my own after midnight even if the lights were on - it's still dark!
Nor would I leave all the lights in my house on all night in case I needed to get up - I'm too tight! If I want to see where I'm going I will switch a light on (or a torch if I want to walk the streets). We pay our council tax but I like to think that this is spent as wisely as I would spend my budget and I am very happy not to waste money on unnecessary lighting.
Like most people I wouldn't walk around the streets on my own after midnight even if the lights were on - it's still dark! Nor would I leave all the lights in my house on all night in case I needed to get up - I'm too tight! If I want to see where I'm going I will switch a light on (or a torch if I want to walk the streets). We pay our council tax but I like to think that this is spent as wisely as I would spend my budget and I am very happy not to waste money on unnecessary lighting. imnotanimby
  • Score: 1

1:21pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Howard Cháse says...

imnotanimby wrote:
Like most people I wouldn't walk around the streets on my own after midnight even if the lights were on - it's still dark!
Nor would I leave all the lights in my house on all night in case I needed to get up - I'm too tight! If I want to see where I'm going I will switch a light on (or a torch if I want to walk the streets). We pay our council tax but I like to think that this is spent as wisely as I would spend my budget and I am very happy not to waste money on unnecessary lighting.
The irony of this is that if you live on one of the notoriously dodgy estates with bad reputations the lights stay on so all the ne'er do wells have to ply their 'trade' in the more respectable areas.....
[quote][p][bold]imnotanimby[/bold] wrote: Like most people I wouldn't walk around the streets on my own after midnight even if the lights were on - it's still dark! Nor would I leave all the lights in my house on all night in case I needed to get up - I'm too tight! If I want to see where I'm going I will switch a light on (or a torch if I want to walk the streets). We pay our council tax but I like to think that this is spent as wisely as I would spend my budget and I am very happy not to waste money on unnecessary lighting.[/p][/quote]The irony of this is that if you live on one of the notoriously dodgy estates with bad reputations the lights stay on so all the ne'er do wells have to ply their 'trade' in the more respectable areas..... Howard Cháse
  • Score: 1

1:44pm Tue 25 Mar 14

ThurrockResident says...

You can see why the Victorians introduced street lighting to cut down on crime. with all these new cases of street attacks every day in Southend , Basildon etc.
You can see why the Victorians introduced street lighting to cut down on crime. with all these new cases of street attacks every day in Southend , Basildon etc. ThurrockResident
  • Score: 4

2:51pm Tue 25 Mar 14

essex bad boy says...

Sorry to hear about your incident but this now highlights an issue that will give grave concern to those less able to defend themselves.

What chance would an OAP have in these circumstances? It will only be seen as cost effective measures until someone is seriously hurt. You are a chap with the ability to defend your self but why for the cost of XX can they not use dimers to assist like they have installed in some tower blocks where the light s brightens up as you pass then dim as you move away? Just a thought
Sorry to hear about your incident but this now highlights an issue that will give grave concern to those less able to defend themselves. What chance would an OAP have in these circumstances? It will only be seen as cost effective measures until someone is seriously hurt. You are a chap with the ability to defend your self but why for the cost of XX can they not use dimers to assist like they have installed in some tower blocks where the light s brightens up as you pass then dim as you move away? Just a thought essex bad boy
  • Score: 1

5:39pm Tue 25 Mar 14

leslog says...

you should not have to have a torch in your pocket ,just because you are out and it gets dark ,muggers attackers of innocent people should be treated harshly by the courts ,we should be able to walk our streets in safety day or night,if people are allowed to get away with these offences leniently ,they should be cracked down on ,and know any punishment will be hard ,because it is not acceptable to the vast majority
you should not have to have a torch in your pocket ,just because you are out and it gets dark ,muggers attackers of innocent people should be treated harshly by the courts ,we should be able to walk our streets in safety day or night,if people are allowed to get away with these offences leniently ,they should be cracked down on ,and know any punishment will be hard ,because it is not acceptable to the vast majority leslog
  • Score: 4

8:19pm Tue 25 Mar 14

ThurrockResident says...

bazza 1 wrote:
The Victorians started installing street lights for a very good reason. Peoples safety from injury and being robbed in the dark. Seems like the Council Officials want to take us back to the days when stepping outside your home you risked being mugged. Essex CC could not run a proverbial in a brewery. We have roads that look as if they were in a war movie, with potholes everywhere. Now they turn the lights off so you cant see the bloody holes. Walking, cycling, riding a motorcycle, or even driving a car is now a hazard avoidance exercise . Everyone saying buy a torch can go do one as far as I am concerned. We pay enough in taxes to have street lights. If they need to save money, sack ALL the employees who earn over £40,000 working for Essex CC. Most of them probably could not hold down a proper job in industry. If you check out the vehicles in the car parks of council offices, and I include Basildon Council in this, you will be pushed to find a cheap car there. Plenty of Audi and BMW's. Thats where our council tax goes. I'm sick of paying more money for NO service.
The Tories were the same on education spending during the 60's and 70's . One book between four pupils etc etc.
[quote][p][bold]bazza 1[/bold] wrote: The Victorians started installing street lights for a very good reason. Peoples safety from injury and being robbed in the dark. Seems like the Council Officials want to take us back to the days when stepping outside your home you risked being mugged. Essex CC could not run a proverbial in a brewery. We have roads that look as if they were in a war movie, with potholes everywhere. Now they turn the lights off so you cant see the bloody holes. Walking, cycling, riding a motorcycle, or even driving a car is now a hazard avoidance exercise . Everyone saying buy a torch can go do one as far as I am concerned. We pay enough in taxes to have street lights. If they need to save money, sack ALL the employees who earn over £40,000 working for Essex CC. Most of them probably could not hold down a proper job in industry. If you check out the vehicles in the car parks of council offices, and I include Basildon Council in this, you will be pushed to find a cheap car there. Plenty of Audi and BMW's. Thats where our council tax goes. I'm sick of paying more money for NO service.[/p][/quote]The Tories were the same on education spending during the 60's and 70's . One book between four pupils etc etc. ThurrockResident
  • Score: 2

10:43pm Tue 25 Mar 14

woolstone says...

Just sue the ECC.
Just sue the ECC. woolstone
  • Score: 0

9:25am Mon 14 Apr 14

ThurrockResident says...

Yet more proof (if proof were needed) that having everywhere in the pitch dark leads to a muggers paradise. Your common sense should tell you that.
So many stories in the local press it's getting overwhelming.
Yet more proof (if proof were needed) that having everywhere in the pitch dark leads to a muggers paradise. Your common sense should tell you that. So many stories in the local press it's getting overwhelming. ThurrockResident
  • Score: -1

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