Dog nearly bit my face off, says girl

Dog nearly bit my face off, says girl

Dog nearly bit my face off, says girl

Dog nearly bit my face off, says girl

First published in Local News Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

A TEENAGER nearly lost an eye after her face was mauled by a dog in a horrific attack.

Charlotte Edmondson, 17, was left bleeding in an alleyway after being attacked by a husky off Elsenham Crescent on the Craylands estate in Basildon.

The dog’s owner said she was going to get help, but never returned, leaving the teenager lying in a pool of her own blood.

Charlotte was eventually found by a couple who telephoned the emergency services.

She needed 37 stitches for her wounds.

The Upper Academies student said: “I felt the dog’s teeth clamp on to my face.

“At first I just felt this sharp pain then it went numb. I think I was in shock.

“I honestly thought it had ripped my eye out.”

Charlotte was walking down an alleyway at about 5.15pm on April 16 on the way to her friend’s house when she came across an older woman and a husky.

She said: “It was one of the most beautiful dogs I have ever seen. I asked the owner if it was safe for me to stroke it and she said, ‘yes, she’s perfectly friendly’.

“I gave it a cuddle. Maybe it didn’t like me hugging it, but it just turned and bit into my face.”

The dog released Charlotte and she stumbled backwards on to the floor.

She added: “The owner said, ‘let me go and get help’, but she left and didn’t return.

“I think I was in shock because I could not feel anything and my sight was blurry.

“Then a man wearing florescent clothing came with his girlfriend and a child. I shouted for help.

“The woman called 999 and the man put his jacket round me, called my dad and stayed until paramedics arrived.”

Charlotte’s mum, Angela Swanson, has reported the matter to the police.

Charlotte, who is studying diplomas in sports, textiles and photography, added: “I love all animals and have three cats and a dog of my own. I just don’t understand why the woman walking the dog did not come back to help me.”

Charlotte was taken to Basildon Hospital and later transferred to Broomfield Hospital in Chelmsford where surgeons stitched her face back together.

She added: “Luckily the dog has not damaged my eye.

“I have not been to school since the attack because I don’t want people to see my face.

“The surgeon did a really good job with my stitches and I hope I don’t have any long term scarring.”

A police spokesman said: “Officers attended the scene and spoke to the victim and a number of other people at the location. The girl had been bitten by a husky-type dog, which was on a lead, after she had picked it up.

“The dog and its owner have not been traced, but the information suggests it was not out of control, nor was it a dangerous breed, and no criminal offences have been committed.”

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9:40am Mon 28 Apr 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

why o why would you want to cuddle someone else's Dog and especially one like that..?, and yet another shameful dog owner, when will laws be changed and Muzzles and leads brought in to effect, coupled with heavy fines or jail time for owners, it appears the only way, of course decent dog owners need not worry, its the low end element as per usual that ruin it for everyone else.
why o why would you want to cuddle someone else's Dog and especially one like that..?, and yet another shameful dog owner, when will laws be changed and Muzzles and leads brought in to effect, coupled with heavy fines or jail time for owners, it appears the only way, of course decent dog owners need not worry, its the low end element as per usual that ruin it for everyone else. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 29

9:50am Mon 28 Apr 14

Howard Cháse says...

What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them.


Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.
What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them. Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate. Howard Cháse
  • Score: 11

9:53am Mon 28 Apr 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Howard Cháse wrote:
What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them.


Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.
But the police have nonced it off, so where to next..?
[quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them. Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.[/p][/quote]But the police have nonced it off, so where to next..? DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: -3

9:58am Mon 28 Apr 14

pembury53 says...

usually i've no time for these mutts and their stupid handlers, but to be fair, in this case, what a idiotic thing to do..... had she simply stroked the dog, as requested, and not threatened it with a bear hug, it would most likely have not attacked...... but only goes to show, again and again, stay well away, they bite !
usually i've no time for these mutts and their stupid handlers, but to be fair, in this case, what a idiotic thing to do..... had she simply stroked the dog, as requested, and not threatened it with a bear hug, it would most likely have not attacked...... but only goes to show, again and again, stay well away, they bite ! pembury53
  • Score: 21

10:03am Mon 28 Apr 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

also a few more points.
1: says Husky dog....then its changed to a Husky type dog

2: It says she asked to owner if it was ok to stroke it...then goes onto say she gave it a cuddle...then later police say she picked the dog up.

3: says she won't go to school as she don't want anyone to see her face..But its shown in the inter web for the world to see.

Theres a few lessons in this one for both parties, the owner should have that dog muzzled and stuck around and helped and the girl should not have gone anywhere near this fierce dog, this won't be the last bad dog story we read, the owner will be local and no doubt be reading this.
also a few more points. 1: says Husky dog....then its changed to a Husky type dog 2: It says she asked to owner if it was ok to stroke it...then goes onto say she gave it a cuddle...then later police say she picked the dog up. 3: says she won't go to school as she don't want anyone to see her face..But its shown in the inter web for the world to see. Theres a few lessons in this one for both parties, the owner should have that dog muzzled and stuck around and helped and the girl should not have gone anywhere near this fierce dog, this won't be the last bad dog story we read, the owner will be local and no doubt be reading this. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 11

10:29am Mon 28 Apr 14

MilesBond says...

I've seen an older woman with reddish brown hair walking an Akita around that area.
I've seen an older woman with reddish brown hair walking an Akita around that area. MilesBond
  • Score: 11

10:34am Mon 28 Apr 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Never hug a stranger's dog, what was you thinking...?
Never hug a stranger's dog, what was you thinking...? Nowthatsworthknowing
  • Score: 5

10:42am Mon 28 Apr 14

Thecountrysgonetopot! says...

The worst thing out of this is not the fact the girl was bitten...its the fact the woman left and never came back! Thats the issue, what a horrible thing to do, the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be?? What a coward!
The worst thing out of this is not the fact the girl was bitten...its the fact the woman left and never came back! Thats the issue, what a horrible thing to do, the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be?? What a coward! Thecountrysgonetopot!
  • Score: 36

10:51am Mon 28 Apr 14

Jack222 says...

First rule - pat friendly dogs but never put your face near one. How would you feel with such an intrusion into personal space? You'd bite... Dogs don't need to be muzzled - idiot humans need to be more sensible.

Sorry for the girl but it's not the dog's fault.
First rule - pat friendly dogs but never put your face near one. How would you feel with such an intrusion into personal space? You'd bite... Dogs don't need to be muzzled - idiot humans need to be more sensible. Sorry for the girl but it's not the dog's fault. Jack222
  • Score: 9

10:55am Mon 28 Apr 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

Thecountrysgonetopot
!
wrote:
The worst thing out of this is not the fact the girl was bitten...its the fact the woman left and never came back! Thats the issue, what a horrible thing to do, the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be?? What a coward!
The worse thing is this stranger thought it OK to pick up this dog, and squeeze it, or was that Hug ? no surprises here, if it was an attack, the injuries would have been catastrophic.
[quote][p][bold]Thecountrysgonetopot ![/bold] wrote: The worst thing out of this is not the fact the girl was bitten...its the fact the woman left and never came back! Thats the issue, what a horrible thing to do, the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be?? What a coward![/p][/quote]The worse thing is this stranger thought it OK to pick up this dog, and squeeze it, or was that Hug ? no surprises here, if it was an attack, the injuries would have been catastrophic. Nowthatsworthknowing
  • Score: 3

11:03am Mon 28 Apr 14

sesibollox says...

No offenses were committed, from the Police - though she runs to the Echo for sympathy, if you grabbed, held, hugged, squeezed my dog you get bitten.
No offenses were committed, from the Police - though she runs to the Echo for sympathy, if you grabbed, held, hugged, squeezed my dog you get bitten. sesibollox
  • Score: 5

11:49am Mon 28 Apr 14

cynics says...

I feel sorry for her no one likes to get bitten but she shouldnt have picked up/hugged a dog she does not know. a simple stroke would have been enough, The owner well thats different she should have come back to help
I feel sorry for her no one likes to get bitten but she shouldnt have picked up/hugged a dog she does not know. a simple stroke would have been enough, The owner well thats different she should have come back to help cynics
  • Score: 33

12:40pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Yummycookie says...

The Echo approached the girl after seeing a Twitter feed asking for information. The photo shows the injuries not her whole face. The issue in question is why would any decent human being leave anyone alone and bleeding in an area where there was no-one around. Plus no-one has mentioned the good samaritan that came to her aid. He deserves a huge Thank You. My heart goes out to the girl and hopes she makes a full recovery.
I hope the woman who left her has a conscience and comes forward to say sorry for leaving her.
The Echo approached the girl after seeing a Twitter feed asking for information. The photo shows the injuries not her whole face. The issue in question is why would any decent human being leave anyone alone and bleeding in an area where there was no-one around. Plus no-one has mentioned the good samaritan that came to her aid. He deserves a huge Thank You. My heart goes out to the girl and hopes she makes a full recovery. I hope the woman who left her has a conscience and comes forward to say sorry for leaving her. Yummycookie
  • Score: 42

12:48pm Mon 28 Apr 14

stopmoaning1 says...

Thecountrysgonetopot
!
wrote:
The worst thing out of this is not the fact the girl was bitten...its the fact the woman left and never came back! Thats the issue, what a horrible thing to do, the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be?? What a coward!
It's very interesting on this forum reading comments like this. The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no.
[quote][p][bold]Thecountrysgonetopot ![/bold] wrote: The worst thing out of this is not the fact the girl was bitten...its the fact the woman left and never came back! Thats the issue, what a horrible thing to do, the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be?? What a coward![/p][/quote]It's very interesting on this forum reading comments like this. The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no. stopmoaning1
  • Score: -5

12:53pm Mon 28 Apr 14

stopmoaning1 says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
Howard Cháse wrote:
What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them.


Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.
But the police have nonced it off, so where to next..?
And another one, why have the police 'nonced it off?' They can only work within the law. If you think being bitten by a strangers dog after you've asked the owner if you can stroke it, then get down and cuddle/pick it up should be a criminal offence, you should lobby your MP to make it one. It's no use writing on a forum like this that the police have 'nonsed it off' when there's nothing for them to deal with.
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them. Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.[/p][/quote]But the police have nonced it off, so where to next..?[/p][/quote]And another one, why have the police 'nonced it off?' They can only work within the law. If you think being bitten by a strangers dog after you've asked the owner if you can stroke it, then get down and cuddle/pick it up should be a criminal offence, you should lobby your MP to make it one. It's no use writing on a forum like this that the police have 'nonsed it off' when there's nothing for them to deal with. stopmoaning1
  • Score: 1

1:10pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Thecountrysgonetopot! says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
Thecountrysgonetopot ! wrote: The worst thing out of this is not the fact the girl was bitten...its the fact the woman left and never came back! Thats the issue, what a horrible thing to do, the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be?? What a coward!
It's very interesting on this forum reading comments like this. The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no.
Comments like what? I was asking a question, "the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be??"
I have not aimed my comments at the girl who stroked/hugged/picke
d the dog up, nor have i aimed my comments at the dog. I have also not been rude about the girl even though it may be partly her fault. Im merely asking a sensible question which someone on here may or may not be able to answer.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thecountrysgonetopot ![/bold] wrote: The worst thing out of this is not the fact the girl was bitten...its the fact the woman left and never came back! Thats the issue, what a horrible thing to do, the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be?? What a coward![/p][/quote]It's very interesting on this forum reading comments like this. The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no.[/p][/quote]Comments like what? I was asking a question, "the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be??" I have not aimed my comments at the girl who stroked/hugged/picke d the dog up, nor have i aimed my comments at the dog. I have also not been rude about the girl even though it may be partly her fault. Im merely asking a sensible question which someone on here may or may not be able to answer. Thecountrysgonetopot!
  • Score: 3

1:18pm Mon 28 Apr 14

TheaWells says...

Why on earth would you hug / pick up a strange dog?

I should imagine the owner of the dog was also in shock. One minute someone asks if they can stroke her dog, as far as she is aware the dog is fine with being stroked, the next minute this stranger is picking your dog up and out of fear (they don't like being held off the ground unsupported) it nips her in the face to warn her to stop.

I think the parents of this young lady have made a grave mistake not raising her to respect ALL dogs and to keep in mind that they have teeth and their only recourse to communication is their tail, their voice and their bite.

I really hope Charlotte's face isn't badly damaged and that she uses this experience to warn others about grabbing at a strange animal.

As for the owner, I can imagine it was a HUGE shock and she probably panicked and ran home to have a melt down. But seriously, she could have at least called 999.

Well done the family who did go to her aid, top job!
Why on earth would you hug / pick up a strange dog? I should imagine the owner of the dog was also in shock. One minute someone asks if they can stroke her dog, as far as she is aware the dog is fine with being stroked, the next minute this stranger is picking your dog up and out of fear (they don't like being held off the ground unsupported) it nips her in the face to warn her to stop. I think the parents of this young lady have made a grave mistake not raising her to respect ALL dogs and to keep in mind that they have teeth and their only recourse to communication is their tail, their voice and their bite. I really hope Charlotte's face isn't badly damaged and that she uses this experience to warn others about grabbing at a strange animal. As for the owner, I can imagine it was a HUGE shock and she probably panicked and ran home to have a melt down. But seriously, she could have at least called 999. Well done the family who did go to her aid, top job! TheaWells
  • Score: 14

1:19pm Mon 28 Apr 14

TheaWells says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
also a few more points.
1: says Husky dog....then its changed to a Husky type dog

2: It says she asked to owner if it was ok to stroke it...then goes onto say she gave it a cuddle...then later police say she picked the dog up.

3: says she won't go to school as she don't want anyone to see her face..But its shown in the inter web for the world to see.

Theres a few lessons in this one for both parties, the owner should have that dog muzzled and stuck around and helped and the girl should not have gone anywhere near this fierce dog, this won't be the last bad dog story we read, the owner will be local and no doubt be reading this.
Perhaps someone has told her what to say... a "Lawyers for you" type ploy?
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: also a few more points. 1: says Husky dog....then its changed to a Husky type dog 2: It says she asked to owner if it was ok to stroke it...then goes onto say she gave it a cuddle...then later police say she picked the dog up. 3: says she won't go to school as she don't want anyone to see her face..But its shown in the inter web for the world to see. Theres a few lessons in this one for both parties, the owner should have that dog muzzled and stuck around and helped and the girl should not have gone anywhere near this fierce dog, this won't be the last bad dog story we read, the owner will be local and no doubt be reading this.[/p][/quote]Perhaps someone has told her what to say... a "Lawyers for you" type ploy? TheaWells
  • Score: -4

2:44pm Mon 28 Apr 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
Howard Cháse wrote:
What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them.


Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.
But the police have nonced it off, so where to next..?
And another one, why have the police 'nonced it off?' They can only work within the law. If you think being bitten by a strangers dog after you've asked the owner if you can stroke it, then get down and cuddle/pick it up should be a criminal offence, you should lobby your MP to make it one. It's no use writing on a forum like this that the police have 'nonsed it off' when there's nothing for them to deal with.
'And another one'..another one what..?
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them. Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.[/p][/quote]But the police have nonced it off, so where to next..?[/p][/quote]And another one, why have the police 'nonced it off?' They can only work within the law. If you think being bitten by a strangers dog after you've asked the owner if you can stroke it, then get down and cuddle/pick it up should be a criminal offence, you should lobby your MP to make it one. It's no use writing on a forum like this that the police have 'nonsed it off' when there's nothing for them to deal with.[/p][/quote]'And another one'..another one what..? DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: -4

2:58pm Mon 28 Apr 14

emcee says...

It does not matter whether or not the dog was dangerously out of control, or whether or not it was a dangerous breed and that no criminal offences took place.
It does not matter whether or not the victim was silly to have done what she did.
What is important, however, is that fact that had the dog been muzzled this young lady (or the owner of the dog for that matter) would never have found themselves it this situation.
It does not matter whether or not the dog was dangerously out of control, or whether or not it was a dangerous breed and that no criminal offences took place. It does not matter whether or not the victim was silly to have done what she did. What is important, however, is that fact that had the dog been muzzled this young lady (or the owner of the dog for that matter) would never have found themselves it this situation. emcee
  • Score: 0

3:01pm Mon 28 Apr 14

stopmoaning1 says...

Thecountrysgonetopot
!
wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
Thecountrysgonetopot ! wrote: The worst thing out of this is not the fact the girl was bitten...its the fact the woman left and never came back! Thats the issue, what a horrible thing to do, the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be?? What a coward!
It's very interesting on this forum reading comments like this. The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no.
Comments like what? I was asking a question, "the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be??"
I have not aimed my comments at the girl who stroked/hugged/picke

d the dog up, nor have i aimed my comments at the dog. I have also not been rude about the girl even though it may be partly her fault. Im merely asking a sensible question which someone on here may or may not be able to answer.
Comments like 'it must be a crime to leave somebody injured'
It's not. It's that simple.
However much you or think it should be, it's not.
I thought my comment made it clear but I'll say it again to answer your question
The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no
Not sure how much clearer I can make it really.
[quote][p][bold]Thecountrysgonetopot ![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thecountrysgonetopot ![/bold] wrote: The worst thing out of this is not the fact the girl was bitten...its the fact the woman left and never came back! Thats the issue, what a horrible thing to do, the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be?? What a coward![/p][/quote]It's very interesting on this forum reading comments like this. The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no.[/p][/quote]Comments like what? I was asking a question, "the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be??" I have not aimed my comments at the girl who stroked/hugged/picke d the dog up, nor have i aimed my comments at the dog. I have also not been rude about the girl even though it may be partly her fault. Im merely asking a sensible question which someone on here may or may not be able to answer.[/p][/quote]Comments like 'it must be a crime to leave somebody injured' It's not. It's that simple. However much you or think it should be, it's not. I thought my comment made it clear but I'll say it again to answer your question The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no Not sure how much clearer I can make it really. stopmoaning1
  • Score: 3

3:05pm Mon 28 Apr 14

stopmoaning1 says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
Howard Cháse wrote:
What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them.


Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.
But the police have nonced it off, so where to next..?
And another one, why have the police 'nonced it off?' They can only work within the law. If you think being bitten by a strangers dog after you've asked the owner if you can stroke it, then get down and cuddle/pick it up should be a criminal offence, you should lobby your MP to make it one. It's no use writing on a forum like this that the police have 'nonsed it off' when there's nothing for them to deal with.
'And another one'..another one what..?
Another one bemoaning the police actions for doing nothing when in fact there are no criminal offences here and therefore nothing for the police to take any action over.
These types of story often provoke the 'the police are useless for doing nothing' brigade, but if there's no criminal offence for them to deal with.........
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them. Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.[/p][/quote]But the police have nonced it off, so where to next..?[/p][/quote]And another one, why have the police 'nonced it off?' They can only work within the law. If you think being bitten by a strangers dog after you've asked the owner if you can stroke it, then get down and cuddle/pick it up should be a criminal offence, you should lobby your MP to make it one. It's no use writing on a forum like this that the police have 'nonsed it off' when there's nothing for them to deal with.[/p][/quote]'And another one'..another one what..?[/p][/quote]Another one bemoaning the police actions for doing nothing when in fact there are no criminal offences here and therefore nothing for the police to take any action over. These types of story often provoke the 'the police are useless for doing nothing' brigade, but if there's no criminal offence for them to deal with......... stopmoaning1
  • Score: 2

3:14pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Yummycookie says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
Thecountrysgonetopot

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wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
Thecountrysgonetopot ! wrote: The worst thing out of this is not the fact the girl was bitten...its the fact the woman left and never came back! Thats the issue, what a horrible thing to do, the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be?? What a coward!
It's very interesting on this forum reading comments like this. The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no.
Comments like what? I was asking a question, "the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be??"
I have not aimed my comments at the girl who stroked/hugged/picke


d the dog up, nor have i aimed my comments at the dog. I have also not been rude about the girl even though it may be partly her fault. Im merely asking a sensible question which someone on here may or may not be able to answer.
Comments like 'it must be a crime to leave somebody injured'
It's not. It's that simple.
However much you or think it should be, it's not.
I thought my comment made it clear but I'll say it again to answer your question
The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no
Not sure how much clearer I can make it really.
Analogy for you.
A driver knocks a person over and leaves the scene.
This is an offence. A hit and run.
So why is leaving someone injured by something you own not in the same category.
The woman should be ashamed of herself for such a reprehensible action.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thecountrysgonetopot ![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thecountrysgonetopot ![/bold] wrote: The worst thing out of this is not the fact the girl was bitten...its the fact the woman left and never came back! Thats the issue, what a horrible thing to do, the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be?? What a coward![/p][/quote]It's very interesting on this forum reading comments like this. The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no.[/p][/quote]Comments like what? I was asking a question, "the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be??" I have not aimed my comments at the girl who stroked/hugged/picke d the dog up, nor have i aimed my comments at the dog. I have also not been rude about the girl even though it may be partly her fault. Im merely asking a sensible question which someone on here may or may not be able to answer.[/p][/quote]Comments like 'it must be a crime to leave somebody injured' It's not. It's that simple. However much you or think it should be, it's not. I thought my comment made it clear but I'll say it again to answer your question The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no Not sure how much clearer I can make it really.[/p][/quote]Analogy for you. A driver knocks a person over and leaves the scene. This is an offence. A hit and run. So why is leaving someone injured by something you own not in the same category. The woman should be ashamed of herself for such a reprehensible action. Yummycookie
  • Score: 6

4:14pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Claude B says...

ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked.

Simples.
ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples. Claude B
  • Score: 7

4:16pm Mon 28 Apr 14

profondo asbo says...

Claude B wrote:
ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked.

Simples.
that goes for their rear end too
[quote][p][bold]Claude B[/bold] wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.[/p][/quote]that goes for their rear end too profondo asbo
  • Score: -1

4:31pm Mon 28 Apr 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
Howard Cháse wrote:
What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them.


Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.
But the police have nonced it off, so where to next..?
And another one, why have the police 'nonced it off?' They can only work within the law. If you think being bitten by a strangers dog after you've asked the owner if you can stroke it, then get down and cuddle/pick it up should be a criminal offence, you should lobby your MP to make it one. It's no use writing on a forum like this that the police have 'nonsed it off' when there's nothing for them to deal with.
'And another one'..another one what..?
Another one bemoaning the police actions for doing nothing when in fact there are no criminal offences here and therefore nothing for the police to take any action over.
These types of story often provoke the 'the police are useless for doing nothing' brigade, but if there's no criminal offence for them to deal with.........
where did i say they are useless..? By the sounds of it they did nonce it off..ie: not interested, not even asked the dog owner to come forward....simple.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them. Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.[/p][/quote]But the police have nonced it off, so where to next..?[/p][/quote]And another one, why have the police 'nonced it off?' They can only work within the law. If you think being bitten by a strangers dog after you've asked the owner if you can stroke it, then get down and cuddle/pick it up should be a criminal offence, you should lobby your MP to make it one. It's no use writing on a forum like this that the police have 'nonsed it off' when there's nothing for them to deal with.[/p][/quote]'And another one'..another one what..?[/p][/quote]Another one bemoaning the police actions for doing nothing when in fact there are no criminal offences here and therefore nothing for the police to take any action over. These types of story often provoke the 'the police are useless for doing nothing' brigade, but if there's no criminal offence for them to deal with.........[/p][/quote]where did i say they are useless..? By the sounds of it they did nonce it off..ie: not interested, not even asked the dog owner to come forward....simple. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: -5

4:31pm Mon 28 Apr 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

profondo asbo wrote:
Claude B wrote:
ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked.

Simples.
that goes for their rear end too
A Cork for the rear end.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude B[/bold] wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.[/p][/quote]that goes for their rear end too[/p][/quote]A Cork for the rear end. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 2

4:32pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Adrenaline_Junkie says...

Howard Cháse wrote:
What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them.


Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.
No action will be taken as it clearly says at the bottom of the report no criminal offence took place.
[quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them. Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.[/p][/quote]No action will be taken as it clearly says at the bottom of the report no criminal offence took place. Adrenaline_Junkie
  • Score: 4

5:30pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Nelly99 says...

Oh wow, All the usual suspects on this one. Dogsh*te in Leigh who NEVER leaves his computer for even a minute in case something happens outside!
Two things to remember...never pat a burning dog...and never play leapfrog with a unicorn!
Oh wow, All the usual suspects on this one. Dogsh*te in Leigh who NEVER leaves his computer for even a minute in case something happens outside! Two things to remember...never pat a burning dog...and never play leapfrog with a unicorn! Nelly99
  • Score: 4

5:33pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Nelly99 says...

profondo asbo wrote:
Claude B wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.
that goes for their rear end too
You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently!
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude B[/bold] wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.[/p][/quote]that goes for their rear end too[/p][/quote]You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently! Nelly99
  • Score: 1

5:37pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Nelly99 says...

Nelly99 wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Claude B wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.
that goes for their rear end too
You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently!
Very...and I,m still hairy but I guess you know that!
[quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude B[/bold] wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.[/p][/quote]that goes for their rear end too[/p][/quote]You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently![/p][/quote]Very...and I,m still hairy but I guess you know that! Nelly99
  • Score: -2

6:03pm Mon 28 Apr 14

profondo asbo says...

Nelly99 wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Claude B wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.
that goes for their rear end too
You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently!
lol. got beard?
[quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude B[/bold] wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.[/p][/quote]that goes for their rear end too[/p][/quote]You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently![/p][/quote]lol. got beard? profondo asbo
  • Score: 0

6:05pm Mon 28 Apr 14

profondo asbo says...

Nelly99 wrote:
Nelly99 wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Claude B wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.
that goes for their rear end too
You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently!
Very...and I,m still hairy but I guess you know that!
what's your view on multiple-login-gate? i seem to recall some past instances?
[quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude B[/bold] wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.[/p][/quote]that goes for their rear end too[/p][/quote]You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently![/p][/quote]Very...and I,m still hairy but I guess you know that![/p][/quote]what's your view on multiple-login-gate? i seem to recall some past instances? profondo asbo
  • Score: 3

6:15pm Mon 28 Apr 14

LinfordsLunchbox says...

Claude B wrote:
ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked.

Simples.
Would never happen. Too many dogs in britain, the attacks are too small in relation, the people that make laws also own dogs that have never attacked anybody. its like locking up all humans incase they commit crime
[quote][p][bold]Claude B[/bold] wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.[/p][/quote]Would never happen. Too many dogs in britain, the attacks are too small in relation, the people that make laws also own dogs that have never attacked anybody. its like locking up all humans incase they commit crime LinfordsLunchbox
  • Score: -4

6:47pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Nelly99 says...

profondo asbo wrote:
Nelly99 wrote:
Nelly99 wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Claude B wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.
that goes for their rear end too
You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently!
Very...and I,m still hairy but I guess you know that!
what's your view on multiple-login-gate? i seem to recall some past instances?
Well...as for dogs...I couldn't eat a whole one but I love our park. They are for everyone and you can't keep 'em out. Just hope for good sense. Is respect too strong a word? I do feel for the young girl but hopefully a lesson learned if only the hard way.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude B[/bold] wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.[/p][/quote]that goes for their rear end too[/p][/quote]You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently![/p][/quote]Very...and I,m still hairy but I guess you know that![/p][/quote]what's your view on multiple-login-gate? i seem to recall some past instances?[/p][/quote]Well...as for dogs...I couldn't eat a whole one but I love our park. They are for everyone and you can't keep 'em out. Just hope for good sense. Is respect too strong a word? I do feel for the young girl but hopefully a lesson learned if only the hard way. Nelly99
  • Score: 3

8:39pm Mon 28 Apr 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Nelly99 wrote:
Oh wow, All the usual suspects on this one. Dogsh*te in Leigh who NEVER leaves his computer for even a minute in case something happens outside!
Two things to remember...never pat a burning dog...and never play leapfrog with a unicorn!
Woooaaaa not on your nelly nelly,..its part of my job you know staring at my PC screen, so to kill time i keep an eye(have a second tab open) on whats going on in the vicinity Via my favourite news site as i stopped purchasing the Echo newspaper since the increase in price, so I get a lot more on here for free and have a little fun and make a few observations at the same time if you please.
[quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: Oh wow, All the usual suspects on this one. Dogsh*te in Leigh who NEVER leaves his computer for even a minute in case something happens outside! Two things to remember...never pat a burning dog...and never play leapfrog with a unicorn![/p][/quote]Woooaaaa not on your nelly nelly,..its part of my job you know staring at my PC screen, so to kill time i keep an eye(have a second tab open) on whats going on in the vicinity Via my favourite news site as i stopped purchasing the Echo newspaper since the increase in price, so I get a lot more on here for free and have a little fun and make a few observations at the same time if you please. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 1

8:42pm Mon 28 Apr 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

profondo asbo wrote:
Nelly99 wrote:
Nelly99 wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Claude B wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.
that goes for their rear end too
You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently!
Very...and I,m still hairy but I guess you know that!
what's your view on multiple-login-gate? i seem to recall some past instances?
Ohh no..not another that forgot to log off and log back on with the other user name.
Rumbled....
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude B[/bold] wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.[/p][/quote]that goes for their rear end too[/p][/quote]You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently![/p][/quote]Very...and I,m still hairy but I guess you know that![/p][/quote]what's your view on multiple-login-gate? i seem to recall some past instances?[/p][/quote]Ohh no..not another that forgot to log off and log back on with the other user name. Rumbled.... DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 7

9:22pm Mon 28 Apr 14

profondo asbo says...

Nelly99 wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Nelly99 wrote:
Nelly99 wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Claude B wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.
that goes for their rear end too
You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently!
Very...and I,m still hairy but I guess you know that!
what's your view on multiple-login-gate? i seem to recall some past instances?
Well...as for dogs...I couldn't eat a whole one but I love our park. They are for everyone and you can't keep 'em out. Just hope for good sense. Is respect too strong a word? I do feel for the young girl but hopefully a lesson learned if only the hard way.
btw when we having that game of tennis that you promised
[quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude B[/bold] wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.[/p][/quote]that goes for their rear end too[/p][/quote]You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently![/p][/quote]Very...and I,m still hairy but I guess you know that![/p][/quote]what's your view on multiple-login-gate? i seem to recall some past instances?[/p][/quote]Well...as for dogs...I couldn't eat a whole one but I love our park. They are for everyone and you can't keep 'em out. Just hope for good sense. Is respect too strong a word? I do feel for the young girl but hopefully a lesson learned if only the hard way.[/p][/quote]btw when we having that game of tennis that you promised profondo asbo
  • Score: 2

9:56pm Mon 28 Apr 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

New balls please.
New balls please. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 1

10:06pm Mon 28 Apr 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

LinfordsLunchbox wrote:
Claude B wrote:
ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked.

Simples.
Would never happen. Too many dogs in britain, the attacks are too small in relation, the people that make laws also own dogs that have never attacked anybody. its like locking up all humans incase they commit crime
Really..?

"Savage dog attacks leaving victims with horrific injuries are responsible for 100 emergency calls every week.

Shocking figures have emerged exposing the scale of the problem, which has seen babies and pensioners needing urgent treatment after being mauled by out-of-control canines.

The Mirror can reveal that paramedic crews attended more than 5,000 incidents across England and Wales last year." (2012)


yes that 5000 figure is pretty small...and i heard on the Wireless the other day 2013 was higher.
[quote][p][bold]LinfordsLunchbox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude B[/bold] wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.[/p][/quote]Would never happen. Too many dogs in britain, the attacks are too small in relation, the people that make laws also own dogs that have never attacked anybody. its like locking up all humans incase they commit crime[/p][/quote]Really..? "Savage dog attacks leaving victims with horrific injuries are responsible for 100 emergency calls every week. Shocking figures have emerged exposing the scale of the problem, which has seen babies and pensioners needing urgent treatment after being mauled by out-of-control canines. The Mirror can reveal that paramedic crews attended more than 5,000 incidents across England and Wales last year." (2012) yes that 5000 figure is pretty small...and i heard on the Wireless the other day 2013 was higher. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 11

10:16pm Mon 28 Apr 14

profondo asbo says...

Nelly99 wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Nelly99 wrote:
Nelly99 wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Claude B wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.
that goes for their rear end too
You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently!
Very...and I,m still hairy but I guess you know that!
what's your view on multiple-login-gate? i seem to recall some past instances?
Well...as for dogs...I couldn't eat a whole one but I love our park. They are for everyone and you can't keep 'em out. Just hope for good sense. Is respect too strong a word? I do feel for the young girl but hopefully a lesson learned if only the hard way.
careful that fence doesn't collapse under your weight.
[quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude B[/bold] wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.[/p][/quote]that goes for their rear end too[/p][/quote]You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently![/p][/quote]Very...and I,m still hairy but I guess you know that![/p][/quote]what's your view on multiple-login-gate? i seem to recall some past instances?[/p][/quote]Well...as for dogs...I couldn't eat a whole one but I love our park. They are for everyone and you can't keep 'em out. Just hope for good sense. Is respect too strong a word? I do feel for the young girl but hopefully a lesson learned if only the hard way.[/p][/quote]careful that fence doesn't collapse under your weight. profondo asbo
  • Score: 1

6:59am Tue 29 Apr 14

sesibollox says...

Nearly lost an eye. Nearly lost her face. But didn't.
Nearly lost an eye. Nearly lost her face. But didn't. sesibollox
  • Score: 2

9:09am Tue 29 Apr 14

stopmoaning1 says...

Yummycookie wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
Thecountrysgonetopot


!
wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
Thecountrysgonetopot ! wrote: The worst thing out of this is not the fact the girl was bitten...its the fact the woman left and never came back! Thats the issue, what a horrible thing to do, the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be?? What a coward!
It's very interesting on this forum reading comments like this. The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no.
Comments like what? I was asking a question, "the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be??"
I have not aimed my comments at the girl who stroked/hugged/picke



d the dog up, nor have i aimed my comments at the dog. I have also not been rude about the girl even though it may be partly her fault. Im merely asking a sensible question which someone on here may or may not be able to answer.
Comments like 'it must be a crime to leave somebody injured'
It's not. It's that simple.
However much you or think it should be, it's not.
I thought my comment made it clear but I'll say it again to answer your question
The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no
Not sure how much clearer I can make it really.
Analogy for you.
A driver knocks a person over and leaves the scene.
This is an offence. A hit and run.
So why is leaving someone injured by something you own not in the same category.
The woman should be ashamed of herself for such a reprehensible action.
This is an emotive subject but does not change the law.

There are **specific** laws regarding drivers of motor vehicles stopping at the scene of an accident (regardless of any injury)

The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured.
Cowardly, yes.
Criminal offence, no
Not sure how much clearer I can make it really
[quote][p][bold]Yummycookie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thecountrysgonetopot ![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thecountrysgonetopot ![/bold] wrote: The worst thing out of this is not the fact the girl was bitten...its the fact the woman left and never came back! Thats the issue, what a horrible thing to do, the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be?? What a coward![/p][/quote]It's very interesting on this forum reading comments like this. The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no.[/p][/quote]Comments like what? I was asking a question, "the police should find the woman and charge her with that, the dog biting may not be a crime but leaving someone injured must be??" I have not aimed my comments at the girl who stroked/hugged/picke d the dog up, nor have i aimed my comments at the dog. I have also not been rude about the girl even though it may be partly her fault. Im merely asking a sensible question which someone on here may or may not be able to answer.[/p][/quote]Comments like 'it must be a crime to leave somebody injured' It's not. It's that simple. However much you or think it should be, it's not. I thought my comment made it clear but I'll say it again to answer your question The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no Not sure how much clearer I can make it really.[/p][/quote]Analogy for you. A driver knocks a person over and leaves the scene. This is an offence. A hit and run. So why is leaving someone injured by something you own not in the same category. The woman should be ashamed of herself for such a reprehensible action.[/p][/quote]This is an emotive subject but does not change the law. There are **specific** laws regarding drivers of motor vehicles stopping at the scene of an accident (regardless of any injury) The fact is it's not a crime to leave somebody injured. Cowardly, yes. Criminal offence, no Not sure how much clearer I can make it really stopmoaning1
  • Score: 3

9:17am Tue 29 Apr 14

stopmoaning1 says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
Howard Cháse wrote:
What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them.


Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.
But the police have nonced it off, so where to next..?
And another one, why have the police 'nonced it off?' They can only work within the law. If you think being bitten by a strangers dog after you've asked the owner if you can stroke it, then get down and cuddle/pick it up should be a criminal offence, you should lobby your MP to make it one. It's no use writing on a forum like this that the police have 'nonsed it off' when there's nothing for them to deal with.
'And another one'..another one what..?
Another one bemoaning the police actions for doing nothing when in fact there are no criminal offences here and therefore nothing for the police to take any action over.
These types of story often provoke the 'the police are useless for doing nothing' brigade, but if there's no criminal offence for them to deal with.........
where did i say they are useless..? By the sounds of it they did nonce it off..ie: not interested, not even asked the dog owner to come forward....simple.
Pardon me, I clearly mistook the phrase 'nonced it off'

If by 'noncing it off' you mean they said 'this is not a police matter, there are no criminal offences and therefore there is nothing the police can do here' then I guess they did.
A bit like calling a plumber to fix your light switch when he turns up and says "this is electricity mate, I do water, nothing here for me to deal with, I'm going to have to nonce this one off"
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them. Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.[/p][/quote]But the police have nonced it off, so where to next..?[/p][/quote]And another one, why have the police 'nonced it off?' They can only work within the law. If you think being bitten by a strangers dog after you've asked the owner if you can stroke it, then get down and cuddle/pick it up should be a criminal offence, you should lobby your MP to make it one. It's no use writing on a forum like this that the police have 'nonsed it off' when there's nothing for them to deal with.[/p][/quote]'And another one'..another one what..?[/p][/quote]Another one bemoaning the police actions for doing nothing when in fact there are no criminal offences here and therefore nothing for the police to take any action over. These types of story often provoke the 'the police are useless for doing nothing' brigade, but if there's no criminal offence for them to deal with.........[/p][/quote]where did i say they are useless..? By the sounds of it they did nonce it off..ie: not interested, not even asked the dog owner to come forward....simple.[/p][/quote]Pardon me, I clearly mistook the phrase 'nonced it off' If by 'noncing it off' you mean they said 'this is not a police matter, there are no criminal offences and therefore there is nothing the police can do here' then I guess they did. A bit like calling a plumber to fix your light switch when he turns up and says "this is electricity mate, I do water, nothing here for me to deal with, I'm going to have to nonce this one off" stopmoaning1
  • Score: 0

10:24am Tue 29 Apr 14

sesibollox says...

profondo asbo wrote:
Nelly99 wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Nelly99 wrote:
Nelly99 wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Claude B wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.
that goes for their rear end too
You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently!
Very...and I,m still hairy but I guess you know that!
what's your view on multiple-login-gate? i seem to recall some past instances?
Well...as for dogs...I couldn't eat a whole one but I love our park. They are for everyone and you can't keep 'em out. Just hope for good sense. Is respect too strong a word? I do feel for the young girl but hopefully a lesson learned if only the hard way.
careful that fence doesn't collapse under your weight.
pratt.
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude B[/bold] wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.[/p][/quote]that goes for their rear end too[/p][/quote]You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently![/p][/quote]Very...and I,m still hairy but I guess you know that![/p][/quote]what's your view on multiple-login-gate? i seem to recall some past instances?[/p][/quote]Well...as for dogs...I couldn't eat a whole one but I love our park. They are for everyone and you can't keep 'em out. Just hope for good sense. Is respect too strong a word? I do feel for the young girl but hopefully a lesson learned if only the hard way.[/p][/quote]careful that fence doesn't collapse under your weight.[/p][/quote]pratt. sesibollox
  • Score: -4

10:32am Tue 29 Apr 14

SSRoscoe says...

You should never put your face to a strange dog full stop let alone cuddle it? she learned the hard way. get well soon.
You should never put your face to a strange dog full stop let alone cuddle it? she learned the hard way. get well soon. SSRoscoe
  • Score: 3

11:23am Tue 29 Apr 14

profondo asbo says...

sesibollox wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Nelly99 wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Nelly99 wrote:
Nelly99 wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Claude B wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.
that goes for their rear end too
You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently!
Very...and I,m still hairy but I guess you know that!
what's your view on multiple-login-gate? i seem to recall some past instances?
Well...as for dogs...I couldn't eat a whole one but I love our park. They are for everyone and you can't keep 'em out. Just hope for good sense. Is respect too strong a word? I do feel for the young girl but hopefully a lesson learned if only the hard way.
careful that fence doesn't collapse under your weight.
pratt.
aren't you running late for your back, sack and crack session?
[quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude B[/bold] wrote: ALL dogs should be muzzled when in public - this should be made law. This would prevent people being attacked. Simples.[/p][/quote]that goes for their rear end too[/p][/quote]You.ve obviously been in Shoebury Park recently![/p][/quote]Very...and I,m still hairy but I guess you know that![/p][/quote]what's your view on multiple-login-gate? i seem to recall some past instances?[/p][/quote]Well...as for dogs...I couldn't eat a whole one but I love our park. They are for everyone and you can't keep 'em out. Just hope for good sense. Is respect too strong a word? I do feel for the young girl but hopefully a lesson learned if only the hard way.[/p][/quote]careful that fence doesn't collapse under your weight.[/p][/quote]pratt.[/p][/quote]aren't you running late for your back, sack and crack session? profondo asbo
  • Score: 2

11:27am Tue 29 Apr 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
Howard Cháse wrote:
What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them.


Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.
But the police have nonced it off, so where to next..?
And another one, why have the police 'nonced it off?' They can only work within the law. If you think being bitten by a strangers dog after you've asked the owner if you can stroke it, then get down and cuddle/pick it up should be a criminal offence, you should lobby your MP to make it one. It's no use writing on a forum like this that the police have 'nonsed it off' when there's nothing for them to deal with.
'And another one'..another one what..?
Another one bemoaning the police actions for doing nothing when in fact there are no criminal offences here and therefore nothing for the police to take any action over.
These types of story often provoke the 'the police are useless for doing nothing' brigade, but if there's no criminal offence for them to deal with.........
where did i say they are useless..? By the sounds of it they did nonce it off..ie: not interested, not even asked the dog owner to come forward....simple.
Pardon me, I clearly mistook the phrase 'nonced it off'

If by 'noncing it off' you mean they said 'this is not a police matter, there are no criminal offences and therefore there is nothing the police can do here' then I guess they did.
A bit like calling a plumber to fix your light switch when he turns up and says "this is electricity mate, I do water, nothing here for me to deal with, I'm going to have to nonce this one off"
Thats ok, no need for apologies.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: What a terrible traumatic incident for this poor girl to have to suffer. I hope she recovers from her injuries quickly and the dog and owner are located and the requisite action taken against them. Note to Echo. Elsenham Crescent is not on the Craylands Estate. It is, in fact, in the Barstable estate.[/p][/quote]But the police have nonced it off, so where to next..?[/p][/quote]And another one, why have the police 'nonced it off?' They can only work within the law. If you think being bitten by a strangers dog after you've asked the owner if you can stroke it, then get down and cuddle/pick it up should be a criminal offence, you should lobby your MP to make it one. It's no use writing on a forum like this that the police have 'nonsed it off' when there's nothing for them to deal with.[/p][/quote]'And another one'..another one what..?[/p][/quote]Another one bemoaning the police actions for doing nothing when in fact there are no criminal offences here and therefore nothing for the police to take any action over. These types of story often provoke the 'the police are useless for doing nothing' brigade, but if there's no criminal offence for them to deal with.........[/p][/quote]where did i say they are useless..? By the sounds of it they did nonce it off..ie: not interested, not even asked the dog owner to come forward....simple.[/p][/quote]Pardon me, I clearly mistook the phrase 'nonced it off' If by 'noncing it off' you mean they said 'this is not a police matter, there are no criminal offences and therefore there is nothing the police can do here' then I guess they did. A bit like calling a plumber to fix your light switch when he turns up and says "this is electricity mate, I do water, nothing here for me to deal with, I'm going to have to nonce this one off"[/p][/quote]Thats ok, no need for apologies. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 2

12:27pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Nelly99 says...

No Dog Mess, Asbo and I are not the same person though I believe we share common opinions. I have only one user name unlike Carnac who currently has four by my count. There isn't enough time each day to log in and out just so you can quote yourself though you,d probably disagree!
No Dog Mess, Asbo and I are not the same person though I believe we share common opinions. I have only one user name unlike Carnac who currently has four by my count. There isn't enough time each day to log in and out just so you can quote yourself though you,d probably disagree! Nelly99
  • Score: 1

1:44pm Tue 29 Apr 14

profondo asbo says...

Nelly99 wrote:
No Dog Mess, Asbo and I are not the same person though I believe we share common opinions. I have only one user name unlike Carnac who currently has four by my count. There isn't enough time each day to log in and out just so you can quote yourself though you,d probably disagree!
lol we were up to 6 at last count but it's a moving target.
[quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: No Dog Mess, Asbo and I are not the same person though I believe we share common opinions. I have only one user name unlike Carnac who currently has four by my count. There isn't enough time each day to log in and out just so you can quote yourself though you,d probably disagree![/p][/quote]lol we were up to 6 at last count but it's a moving target. profondo asbo
  • Score: 1

3:17pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Nelly99 says...

profondo asbo wrote:
Nelly99 wrote: No Dog Mess, Asbo and I are not the same person though I believe we share common opinions. I have only one user name unlike Carnac who currently has four by my count. There isn't enough time each day to log in and out just so you can quote yourself though you,d probably disagree!
lol we were up to 6 at last count but it's a moving target.
Yeah...tennis Asbo. No nets, no balls! Sorry for the equivocation but I just cannot be bothered to find new I.D,s so I keep it non-controversial. You seem to have survived after several changes. Hard to believe they think we are the same person! Still it could be worse, we could be Carnac or even that reprobate who last week admitted to 22 different I.D's.
I try for a bit of whimsy and the irresistable urge to punch that fat faced git who appears everytime I log in. Adam Bryce Jones I think he's called!
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: No Dog Mess, Asbo and I are not the same person though I believe we share common opinions. I have only one user name unlike Carnac who currently has four by my count. There isn't enough time each day to log in and out just so you can quote yourself though you,d probably disagree![/p][/quote]lol we were up to 6 at last count but it's a moving target.[/p][/quote]Yeah...tennis Asbo. No nets, no balls! Sorry for the equivocation but I just cannot be bothered to find new I.D,s so I keep it non-controversial. You seem to have survived after several changes. Hard to believe they think we are the same person! Still it could be worse, we could be Carnac or even that reprobate who last week admitted to 22 different I.D's. I try for a bit of whimsy and the irresistable urge to punch that fat faced git who appears everytime I log in. Adam Bryce Jones I think he's called! Nelly99
  • Score: 0

7:04pm Tue 29 Apr 14

pussycats says...

There is definitely, an element of posters, on this site, that can not keep to the thread...There are also some of you that have alto egos and think yourselves better than anyone else, either in your own name or AKA as someone before. Some of you think you are so clever...but you fail. To be so derogative and threatening to another poster.....even though you don't agree, is so immature and totally uncalled for.
There is definitely, an element of posters, on this site, that can not keep to the thread...There are also some of you that have alto egos and think yourselves better than anyone else, either in your own name or AKA as someone before. Some of you think you are so clever...but you fail. To be so derogative and threatening to another poster.....even though you don't agree, is so immature and totally uncalled for. pussycats
  • Score: 1

9:38pm Tue 29 Apr 14

profondo asbo says...

pussycats wrote:
There is definitely, an element of posters, on this site, that can not keep to the thread...There are also some of you that have alto egos and think yourselves better than anyone else, either in your own name or AKA as someone before. Some of you think you are so clever...but you fail. To be so derogative and threatening to another poster.....even though you don't agree, is so immature and totally uncalled for.
aw pussycats. ironically i recall some flirting on a few of the threads with the above poster which was definitely not "keeping to the thread". so what is it...amnesia or hypocrisy?
[quote][p][bold]pussycats[/bold] wrote: There is definitely, an element of posters, on this site, that can not keep to the thread...There are also some of you that have alto egos and think yourselves better than anyone else, either in your own name or AKA as someone before. Some of you think you are so clever...but you fail. To be so derogative and threatening to another poster.....even though you don't agree, is so immature and totally uncalled for.[/p][/quote]aw pussycats. ironically i recall some flirting on a few of the threads with the above poster which was definitely not "keeping to the thread". so what is it...amnesia or hypocrisy? profondo asbo
  • Score: 2

9:40pm Tue 29 Apr 14

profondo asbo says...

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http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/basildon/9081407. Neighbours____joy_as _drug_den_and_brothe l_is_shut/?ref=arc profondo asbo
  • Score: 0

9:49pm Tue 29 Apr 14

profondo asbo says...

Nelly99 wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
Nelly99 wrote: No Dog Mess, Asbo and I are not the same person though I believe we share common opinions. I have only one user name unlike Carnac who currently has four by my count. There isn't enough time each day to log in and out just so you can quote yourself though you,d probably disagree!
lol we were up to 6 at last count but it's a moving target.
Yeah...tennis Asbo. No nets, no balls! Sorry for the equivocation but I just cannot be bothered to find new I.D,s so I keep it non-controversial. You seem to have survived after several changes. Hard to believe they think we are the same person! Still it could be worse, we could be Carnac or even that reprobate who last week admitted to 22 different I.D's.
I try for a bit of whimsy and the irresistable urge to punch that fat faced git who appears everytime I log in. Adam Bryce Jones I think he's called!
whimsy is good but my whimsy is a bit flimsy so usually just resort to the sledgehammer
[quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nelly99[/bold] wrote: No Dog Mess, Asbo and I are not the same person though I believe we share common opinions. I have only one user name unlike Carnac who currently has four by my count. There isn't enough time each day to log in and out just so you can quote yourself though you,d probably disagree![/p][/quote]lol we were up to 6 at last count but it's a moving target.[/p][/quote]Yeah...tennis Asbo. No nets, no balls! Sorry for the equivocation but I just cannot be bothered to find new I.D,s so I keep it non-controversial. You seem to have survived after several changes. Hard to believe they think we are the same person! Still it could be worse, we could be Carnac or even that reprobate who last week admitted to 22 different I.D's. I try for a bit of whimsy and the irresistable urge to punch that fat faced git who appears everytime I log in. Adam Bryce Jones I think he's called![/p][/quote]whimsy is good but my whimsy is a bit flimsy so usually just resort to the sledgehammer profondo asbo
  • Score: 2

5:27pm Sat 3 May 14

leslog says...

sorry this dog should be found and put down ,you cannot take a chance a child could be killed
sorry this dog should be found and put down ,you cannot take a chance a child could be killed leslog
  • Score: -2

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