Dale Farm: Travellers get nearly £200,000 in legal aid

Echo: Dale Farm: Travellers get £200,000 in legal aid Dale Farm: Travellers get £200,000 in legal aid

TRAVELLERS at Dale Farm have so far been given £188,000 worth of legal aid.

The shocking figure was revealed by the Legal Service Commission ahead of today's court clash between the travellers and Basildon Council, which it is not funding.

Since 2005 the travellesr on the illegal site at Oak Lane, Crays Hill have been given the cash to fund a string of legal action relating to the illegal development and eviction from the site.

Basildon and Billericay Tory MP John Baron said: "“Too much taxpayers’ money has already been spent on travellers who have illegally developed this site.

*Full special report in Friday's Echo

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9:31am Thu 29 Sep 11

geezer, innit says...

can I have some free money please?
can I have some free money please? geezer, innit

9:45am Thu 29 Sep 11

Russ13 says...

This is obscene!!!!!!

Let me get this straight.....

These people have built without planning permission.

By all accounts they don't pay council tax (or income tax but that's just speculation on my part)

They are breaking the laws of the land but using the same laws to defend their position AND being given the money to do so......

This is so very very wrong!!
This is obscene!!!!!! Let me get this straight..... These people have built without planning permission. By all accounts they don't pay council tax (or income tax but that's just speculation on my part) They are breaking the laws of the land but using the same laws to defend their position AND being given the money to do so...... This is so very very wrong!! Russ13

9:46am Thu 29 Sep 11

bazza 1 says...

geezer, innit wrote:
can I have some free money please?
Yes, if there is any free money around, how about spending it on people who actually need it, and not on people with assets hidden away from the tax man. If it was possible to explode with rage I would be dead by now. BOOM!
[quote][p][bold]geezer, innit[/bold] wrote: can I have some free money please?[/p][/quote]Yes, if there is any free money around, how about spending it on people who actually need it, and not on people with assets hidden away from the tax man. If it was possible to explode with rage I would be dead by now. BOOM! bazza 1

10:08am Thu 29 Sep 11

annonnamus says...

What a pointless news article.
What a pointless news article. annonnamus

10:12am Thu 29 Sep 11

vangebasildon says...

Why am l not suprised. Why don't these agenices have the bolls to investigate the travellers income completely, including the links to property/land both in Ireland and other places in the UK and how the men of dale farmare clearly in employment. Just look at the cars they have.
.
Bring back the Roger Cook programme at least he had the bolls to investigate throughly.
Why am l not suprised. Why don't these agenices have the bolls to investigate the travellers income completely, including the links to property/land both in Ireland and other places in the UK and how the men of dale farmare clearly in employment. Just look at the cars they have. . Bring back the Roger Cook programme at least he had the bolls to investigate throughly. vangebasildon

10:17am Thu 29 Sep 11

billericay boy says...

The only people making out of this are the blood sucking lawyers trying to make a name for them self’s.
The only people making out of this are the blood sucking lawyers trying to make a name for them self’s. billericay boy

10:19am Thu 29 Sep 11

APR says...

billericay boy wrote:
The only people making out of this are the blood sucking lawyers trying to make a name for them self’s.
That's what I've said all along. The only winners out of this whole episode will be the lawyers and judges.

The longer it goes on, the more they make.
[quote][p][bold]billericay boy[/bold] wrote: The only people making out of this are the blood sucking lawyers trying to make a name for them self’s.[/p][/quote]That's what I've said all along. The only winners out of this whole episode will be the lawyers and judges. The longer it goes on, the more they make. APR

10:19am Thu 29 Sep 11

wickham says...

annonnamus says...
10:08am Thu 29 Sep 11

What a pointless news article.”


Are you say annonnamus, that the Law abiding Tax Payer does not have a right to know where there money is going.
annonnamus says... 10:08am Thu 29 Sep 11 What a pointless news article.” Are you say annonnamus, that the Law abiding Tax Payer does not have a right to know where there money is going. wickham

10:22am Thu 29 Sep 11

Mr.Westham. says...

they do dodgy jobs for cash in hand everywhere, no tax paid at all, yet they get legal aid, which indirectly comes form our pockets, the taxpayer, plus all the eviction costs... its a costly joke...
they do dodgy jobs for cash in hand everywhere, no tax paid at all, yet they get legal aid, which indirectly comes form our pockets, the taxpayer, plus all the eviction costs... its a costly joke... Mr.Westham.

10:24am Thu 29 Sep 11

its only fair says...

annonnamus wrote:
What a pointless news article.
its only pointless if it aint your money thats gettin wasted i take it you dont pay tax ???
[quote][p][bold]annonnamus[/bold] wrote: What a pointless news article.[/p][/quote]its only pointless if it aint your money thats gettin wasted i take it you dont pay tax ??? its only fair

10:46am Thu 29 Sep 11

its only fair says...

TO MR BARRON MP

AS AN MP COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS SEEING AS ITS US WHO VOTES FOR YOU ???

1, WHY IS IT NO ONE HAS CHECK PROPERLY TO SEE WHAT PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE TRAVELLERS AT DALE FARM ?
2, HOW COMES THEY HAVE SAID ALL THE MEN ARE WORKING BUT STILL GET £200,000 IN LEGAL AID
3,WHY IS IT THE TRAVELLERS ARE ALLOWED TO FLAUNT THE LAW .IE.. IF WE SET UP A SHANTY TOWN THE POLICE WOULD DRAG US OFF SO FAST THEY WOULDNT LISTEN TO A COURT ORDER ?
4,WHAT HAVE YOU ACCTUALLY DONE ABOUT GETTING THE LAWBREAKERS MOVED OFF?
5,DO YOU SUPPORT THEIR ILLEGAL SQUAT ?
6, AS A RESIDENT OF YOUR WARD COULD YOU PLEASE TELL US AFTER THIS FIASCO WHY I WOULD VOTE FOR YOU AGAIN ?
7,WHY HASNT INLAND REVENUE INVESTIGATED THE TRAVELLERS IE THE SHERIDANS A.K.A MCCARTHY A.K.A O"BRIENS A.K.A FLYNNS SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF NAMES FOR ONE FAMILY
8, THE RULES OF HOUSING BENEFIT AS I WAS TOLD DONT ALLOW ONE FAMILY MEMBER TO CLAIM BENEFIT TO PAY ANOTHER BUT CLEARLY HOUSING BENEFIT IS BEING PAID TO A MR SHERIDAN IN IRELAND ..SAME FAMILY WHO JUST HAPPEN TO LIVE AT DALE FARM !
9,WHY ARE NON TAX PAYERS INTITLED TO SCHOOLING,NHS,AND ALL THE OTHER BENEFITS OF OUR SOCIETY WHEN THEY DONT ACCTUALLY PAY TOWARDS THEM ?
10,WHY DO THE POLICE NOT WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH TRAVELLERS COMMITING CRIME BECAUSE IT MIGHT UPSET THE COMMUNITY ?ISNT THAT RACIAL DISCRIMINATION AGAINST US ??
11, HOW DO THE TRAVELLERS LEASE CARS WITHOUT A PROPER ADDRESS?
SURLEY LEASING COMPANYS MUST CREDIT CHECK AND IM SURE MOST OF DALE FARM RESIDENTS AINT ON THE ELECTORIAL ROLL ?SO WHAT ADDRESS DO THEY GIVE ?? PROBLEY THEIR HOME ADDRESS IN WOLVERHAMPTON OR IRELAND !

SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REPLY WE THE VOTERS AND TAX PAYERS AND YOUR EMPLOYERS WOULD LIKE TO NO THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS WHICH AS AN MP I THINK YOU ARE DUTY BOUND TO ANSWER I AWAIT YOUR REPLY
MANY THANKS

THE LAW ABIDING TAX PAYERS OF YOUR WARD !!!
TO MR BARRON MP AS AN MP COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS SEEING AS ITS US WHO VOTES FOR YOU ??? 1, WHY IS IT NO ONE HAS CHECK PROPERLY TO SEE WHAT PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE TRAVELLERS AT DALE FARM ? 2, HOW COMES THEY HAVE SAID ALL THE MEN ARE WORKING BUT STILL GET £200,000 IN LEGAL AID 3,WHY IS IT THE TRAVELLERS ARE ALLOWED TO FLAUNT THE LAW .IE.. IF WE SET UP A SHANTY TOWN THE POLICE WOULD DRAG US OFF SO FAST THEY WOULDNT LISTEN TO A COURT ORDER ? 4,WHAT HAVE YOU ACCTUALLY DONE ABOUT GETTING THE LAWBREAKERS MOVED OFF? 5,DO YOU SUPPORT THEIR ILLEGAL SQUAT ? 6, AS A RESIDENT OF YOUR WARD COULD YOU PLEASE TELL US AFTER THIS FIASCO WHY I WOULD VOTE FOR YOU AGAIN ? 7,WHY HASNT INLAND REVENUE INVESTIGATED THE TRAVELLERS IE THE SHERIDANS A.K.A MCCARTHY A.K.A O"BRIENS A.K.A FLYNNS SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF NAMES FOR ONE FAMILY 8, THE RULES OF HOUSING BENEFIT AS I WAS TOLD DONT ALLOW ONE FAMILY MEMBER TO CLAIM BENEFIT TO PAY ANOTHER BUT CLEARLY HOUSING BENEFIT IS BEING PAID TO A MR SHERIDAN IN IRELAND ..SAME FAMILY WHO JUST HAPPEN TO LIVE AT DALE FARM ! 9,WHY ARE NON TAX PAYERS INTITLED TO SCHOOLING,NHS,AND ALL THE OTHER BENEFITS OF OUR SOCIETY WHEN THEY DONT ACCTUALLY PAY TOWARDS THEM ? 10,WHY DO THE POLICE NOT WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH TRAVELLERS COMMITING CRIME BECAUSE IT MIGHT UPSET THE COMMUNITY ?ISNT THAT RACIAL DISCRIMINATION AGAINST US ?? 11, HOW DO THE TRAVELLERS LEASE CARS WITHOUT A PROPER ADDRESS? SURLEY LEASING COMPANYS MUST CREDIT CHECK AND IM SURE MOST OF DALE FARM RESIDENTS AINT ON THE ELECTORIAL ROLL ?SO WHAT ADDRESS DO THEY GIVE ?? PROBLEY THEIR HOME ADDRESS IN WOLVERHAMPTON OR IRELAND ! SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REPLY WE THE VOTERS AND TAX PAYERS AND YOUR EMPLOYERS WOULD LIKE TO NO THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS WHICH AS AN MP I THINK YOU ARE DUTY BOUND TO ANSWER I AWAIT YOUR REPLY MANY THANKS THE LAW ABIDING TAX PAYERS OF YOUR WARD !!! its only fair

10:50am Thu 29 Sep 11

its only fair says...

TO THE ECHO ..
PLEASE COULD YOU BRING THESE QUESTIONS TO THE ATTENTION OF MR BARRON MP AS I HAVE WRITTEN TO HIM BUT AS YET HAVE NOT HAD A REPLY ..............

MANY THANKS !
TO THE ECHO .. PLEASE COULD YOU BRING THESE QUESTIONS TO THE ATTENTION OF MR BARRON MP AS I HAVE WRITTEN TO HIM BUT AS YET HAVE NOT HAD A REPLY .............. MANY THANKS ! its only fair

10:52am Thu 29 Sep 11

Discouraged says...

Pot and kettle. How come this MP over claimed £70,000 in taxpayers money and was then able to choose which charity to give it to. Surely it should have gone to the fees office instead of a charity which no doubt thanked Mr Baron for OUR money. It does seem that the people who dish out legal aid are just as generous as the fees office for MPs was.
Pot and kettle. How come this MP over claimed £70,000 in taxpayers money and was then able to choose which charity to give it to. Surely it should have gone to the fees office instead of a charity which no doubt thanked Mr Baron for OUR money. It does seem that the people who dish out legal aid are just as generous as the fees office for MPs was. Discouraged

10:54am Thu 29 Sep 11

its only fair says...

wickham wrote:
annonnamus says... 10:08am Thu 29 Sep 11 What a pointless news article.” Are you say annonnamus, that the Law abiding Tax Payer does not have a right to know where there money is going.
no wickham i think what annonnamus is saying is .. its a pointless article telling him because he dont pay tax so it aint his money their wasting !!
only ours the tax paying minority it seems !!
[quote][p][bold]wickham[/bold] wrote: annonnamus says... 10:08am Thu 29 Sep 11 What a pointless news article.” Are you say annonnamus, that the Law abiding Tax Payer does not have a right to know where there money is going.[/p][/quote]no wickham i think what annonnamus is saying is .. its a pointless article telling him because he dont pay tax so it aint his money their wasting !! only ours the tax paying minority it seems !! its only fair

10:58am Thu 29 Sep 11

wickham says...

Thanks for the reply its only fair, as usual you are spot on.
Thanks for the reply its only fair, as usual you are spot on. wickham

11:00am Thu 29 Sep 11

Kim Gandy says...

To It's only fair... John Baron's email is baronj@parliament.uk - ask him directly yourself.

As for the other idiot who says this is a pointless article. I suggest YOU are pointless. Pointless person who doesn't get the point.

How thick do you have to be?

These people are screwing the taxpayers out of millions and have done so for ten years, INCLUDING YOU!

I cannot believe some of the imbeciles we get on here.
To It's only fair... John Baron's email is baronj@parliament.uk - ask him directly yourself. As for the other idiot who says this is a pointless article. I suggest YOU are pointless. Pointless person who doesn't get the point. How thick do you have to be? These people are screwing the taxpayers out of millions and have done so for ten years, INCLUDING YOU! I cannot believe some of the imbeciles we get on here. Kim Gandy

11:00am Thu 29 Sep 11

Jack Weir says...

Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.
Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes. Jack Weir

11:01am Thu 29 Sep 11

wonga says...

Well you went and asked for the money Mr Barron.. and you said you didn't get involved with planning issues.
Well you went and asked for the money Mr Barron.. and you said you didn't get involved with planning issues. wonga

11:01am Thu 29 Sep 11

wonga says...

Well you went and asked for the money Mr Barron.. and you said you didn't get involved with planning issues.
Well you went and asked for the money Mr Barron.. and you said you didn't get involved with planning issues. wonga

11:04am Thu 29 Sep 11

richomack360 says...

Jack Weir wrote:
Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.
But can afford to spend thousands on weddings ? (as evidenced in BFGW)
.
Funny scenario, like Eastenders - everyone is broke but can afford to use the cafe, Queen Vic and Laundrette...very odd.
.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Weir[/bold] wrote: Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.[/p][/quote]But can afford to spend thousands on weddings ? (as evidenced in BFGW) . Funny scenario, like Eastenders - everyone is broke but can afford to use the cafe, Queen Vic and Laundrette...very odd. . richomack360

11:06am Thu 29 Sep 11

grrrrrr says...

i'm sure they got this based on all the tax's and NI they all pay from their legal jobs!!!!! Oh wait we're talking about the dale farm low life i fogot, everything to those in life who ponse for a living
i'm sure they got this based on all the tax's and NI they all pay from their legal jobs!!!!! Oh wait we're talking about the dale farm low life i fogot, everything to those in life who ponse for a living grrrrrr

11:13am Thu 29 Sep 11

its only fair says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
To It's only fair... John Baron's email is baronj@parliament.uk - ask him directly yourself. As for the other idiot who says this is a pointless article. I suggest YOU are pointless. Pointless person who doesn't get the point. How thick do you have to be? These people are screwing the taxpayers out of millions and have done so for ten years, INCLUDING YOU! I cannot believe some of the imbeciles we get on here.
thanx kim ..
i will email him be intresting too see his reply !
and you are right about the imbeciles on hear .. as long as they get their dole money every week they dont care !!
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: To It's only fair... John Baron's email is baronj@parliament.uk - ask him directly yourself. As for the other idiot who says this is a pointless article. I suggest YOU are pointless. Pointless person who doesn't get the point. How thick do you have to be? These people are screwing the taxpayers out of millions and have done so for ten years, INCLUDING YOU! I cannot believe some of the imbeciles we get on here.[/p][/quote]thanx kim .. i will email him be intresting too see his reply ! and you are right about the imbeciles on hear .. as long as they get their dole money every week they dont care !! its only fair

11:15am Thu 29 Sep 11

its only fair says...

richomack360 wrote:
Jack Weir wrote: Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.
But can afford to spend thousands on weddings ? (as evidenced in BFGW) . Funny scenario, like Eastenders - everyone is broke but can afford to use the cafe, Queen Vic and Laundrette...very odd. .
you are spot on richomack !!
[quote][p][bold]richomack360[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Weir[/bold] wrote: Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.[/p][/quote]But can afford to spend thousands on weddings ? (as evidenced in BFGW) . Funny scenario, like Eastenders - everyone is broke but can afford to use the cafe, Queen Vic and Laundrette...very odd. .[/p][/quote]you are spot on richomack !! its only fair

11:21am Thu 29 Sep 11

Jack Weir says...

richomack360 wrote:
Jack Weir wrote: Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.
But can afford to spend thousands on weddings ? (as evidenced in BFGW) . Funny scenario, like Eastenders - everyone is broke but can afford to use the cafe, Queen Vic and Laundrette...very odd. .
Strange as may seem to you - not every Traveller has exactly the same circumstances, and TV entertainment doesn't always reflect reality.
[quote][p][bold]richomack360[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Weir[/bold] wrote: Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.[/p][/quote]But can afford to spend thousands on weddings ? (as evidenced in BFGW) . Funny scenario, like Eastenders - everyone is broke but can afford to use the cafe, Queen Vic and Laundrette...very odd. .[/p][/quote]Strange as may seem to you - not every Traveller has exactly the same circumstances, and TV entertainment doesn't always reflect reality. Jack Weir

11:43am Thu 29 Sep 11

Brunning999 says...

Worth every penny especially the grand finale yet to come.

The great war of Crays Hill will make history for years to come with the title:

'the day the great British public woke up and realized that The Labour Party gave our rights as law abiding citizens away and created a section of society that takes the Michael and contributes only grief and suffering at our expense.

Hopefully the convicted terrorists that have tried to kill us and and the violent convicted Immigrants of any colour will be the next to be evicted.
Worth every penny especially the grand finale yet to come. The great war of Crays Hill will make history for years to come with the title: 'the day the great British public woke up and realized that The Labour Party gave our rights as law abiding citizens away and created a section of society that takes the Michael and contributes only grief and suffering at our expense. Hopefully the convicted terrorists that have tried to kill us and and the violent convicted Immigrants of any colour will be the next to be evicted. Brunning999

11:44am Thu 29 Sep 11

Ramsden says...

So withdraw legal aid and that would put a stop to all the pending injunctions the travellers are proposing and the council can get on with resorting the land to 'green belt' Dont get me started on the application to English Heritage to get the scaffold over the gate listed! when will all this stop!
So withdraw legal aid and that would put a stop to all the pending injunctions the travellers are proposing and the council can get on with resorting the land to 'green belt' Dont get me started on the application to English Heritage to get the scaffold over the gate listed! when will all this stop! Ramsden

11:47am Thu 29 Sep 11

Ironman says...

vangebasildon wrote:
Why am l not suprised. Why don't these agenices have the bolls to investigate the travellers income completely, including the links to property/land both in Ireland and other places in the UK and how the men of dale farmare clearly in employment. Just look at the cars they have.
.
Bring back the Roger Cook programme at least he had the bolls to investigate throughly.
You forget, Vangebasildon, ol' son. They have our wonderful 'uman roights' to protect them because they have been classified as an ethnic minority and their rights have priority over everything.

The fact that anyone who lies, cheats , steals and commits violence as a 'culture' should enjoy 'uman roights' is totally beyond me. And probably a few others as well.

PS: HMRC does have a website with a whistleblowers section....
[quote][p][bold]vangebasildon[/bold] wrote: Why am l not suprised. Why don't these agenices have the bolls to investigate the travellers income completely, including the links to property/land both in Ireland and other places in the UK and how the men of dale farmare clearly in employment. Just look at the cars they have. . Bring back the Roger Cook programme at least he had the bolls to investigate throughly.[/p][/quote]You forget, Vangebasildon, ol' son. They have our wonderful 'uman roights' to protect them because they have been classified as an ethnic minority and their rights have priority over everything. The fact that anyone who lies, cheats , steals and commits violence as a 'culture' should enjoy 'uman roights' is totally beyond me. And probably a few others as well. PS: HMRC does have a website with a whistleblowers section.... Ironman

11:54am Thu 29 Sep 11

wickham says...

Candy Sheridan said outside the Law Courts on Monday that the Lawyer etc were giving their services for free, If that is the case why have they needed Legal Aid.I suggest the Echo allows us to see the video of her comments on Monday.
Candy Sheridan said outside the Law Courts on Monday that the Lawyer etc were giving their services for free, If that is the case why have they needed Legal Aid.I suggest the Echo allows us to see the video of her comments on Monday. wickham

12:10pm Thu 29 Sep 11

Alekhine says...

Jack Weir wrote:
Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.
It does'nt. - It helps those who can afford, and have a large enough media profile, to avoid paying the bill. That is why there are so many pointless legal processes going on countywide right now.
.
Still it does keep the lawyers in work.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Weir[/bold] wrote: Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.[/p][/quote]It does'nt. - It helps those who can afford, and have a large enough media profile, to avoid paying the bill. That is why there are so many pointless legal processes going on countywide right now. . Still it does keep the lawyers in work. Alekhine

12:19pm Thu 29 Sep 11

richomack360 says...

richomack360 wrote:
Jack Weir wrote: Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.
But can afford to spend thousands on weddings ? (as evidenced in BFGW) . Funny scenario, like Eastenders - everyone is broke but can afford to use the cafe, Queen Vic and Laundrette...very odd. .
Sorry, my mistake - I meant the people on Dale Farm who can buy / lease brand new vehicles every year.
.
Silly me.
[quote][p][bold]richomack360[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Weir[/bold] wrote: Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.[/p][/quote]But can afford to spend thousands on weddings ? (as evidenced in BFGW) . Funny scenario, like Eastenders - everyone is broke but can afford to use the cafe, Queen Vic and Laundrette...very odd. .[/p][/quote]Sorry, my mistake - I meant the people on Dale Farm who can buy / lease brand new vehicles every year. . Silly me. richomack360

12:56pm Thu 29 Sep 11

Jack Weir says...

richomack360 wrote:
richomack360 wrote:
Jack Weir wrote: Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.
But can afford to spend thousands on weddings ? (as evidenced in BFGW) . Funny scenario, like Eastenders - everyone is broke but can afford to use the cafe, Queen Vic and Laundrette...very odd. .
Sorry, my mistake - I meant the people on Dale Farm who can buy / lease brand new vehicles every year. . Silly me.
Any evidence that the people who afford vehicles are the same people receiving legal aid?
[quote][p][bold]richomack360[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]richomack360[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Weir[/bold] wrote: Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.[/p][/quote]But can afford to spend thousands on weddings ? (as evidenced in BFGW) . Funny scenario, like Eastenders - everyone is broke but can afford to use the cafe, Queen Vic and Laundrette...very odd. .[/p][/quote]Sorry, my mistake - I meant the people on Dale Farm who can buy / lease brand new vehicles every year. . Silly me.[/p][/quote]Any evidence that the people who afford vehicles are the same people receiving legal aid? Jack Weir

1:01pm Thu 29 Sep 11

Jack Weir says...

Ramsden wrote:
So withdraw legal aid and that would put a stop to all the pending injunctions the travellers are proposing and the council can get on with resorting the land to 'green belt' Dont get me started on the application to English Heritage to get the scaffold over the gate listed! when will all this stop!
Read the article - they HAVEN'T got legal aid for the injunction and judicial review cases. This part: "ahead of today's court clash between the travellers and Basildon Council, which it is not funding."
[quote][p][bold]Ramsden[/bold] wrote: So withdraw legal aid and that would put a stop to all the pending injunctions the travellers are proposing and the council can get on with resorting the land to 'green belt' Dont get me started on the application to English Heritage to get the scaffold over the gate listed! when will all this stop![/p][/quote]Read the article - they HAVEN'T got legal aid for the injunction and judicial review cases. This part: "ahead of today's court clash between the travellers and Basildon Council, which it is not funding." Jack Weir

1:32pm Thu 29 Sep 11

Adam from Wickford says...

Im thinking of becoming a traveller. I will still live in the same house, and my business will still be in the same place, but calling yourself a traveller gives you some great perks and immunes you from the UK laws and taxes.
Im thinking of becoming a traveller. I will still live in the same house, and my business will still be in the same place, but calling yourself a traveller gives you some great perks and immunes you from the UK laws and taxes. Adam from Wickford

1:46pm Thu 29 Sep 11

Ramsden says...

Jack Weir wrote:
Ramsden wrote: So withdraw legal aid and that would put a stop to all the pending injunctions the travellers are proposing and the council can get on with resorting the land to 'green belt' Dont get me started on the application to English Heritage to get the scaffold over the gate listed! when will all this stop!
Read the article - they HAVEN'T got legal aid for the injunction and judicial review cases. This part: "ahead of today's court clash between the travellers and Basildon Council, which it is not funding."
I did read the article -

"TRAVELLERS at Dale Farm have so far been given £188,000 worth of legal aid"

Read the Post - I never stated that they had received aid for the pending injunctions. I was suggestiong that had they not received legal aid I doubt that we would be in this position now. I am all for legal aid to those who deserve it, but lets not forget, the travellers are there illegally, they chose to ignore the laws of this land when it suits them, they do not pay taxes so how can they qualify for aid! As a resident of the village maybe I could get legal aid and contribute to the eviction myself!
[quote][p][bold]Jack Weir[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ramsden[/bold] wrote: So withdraw legal aid and that would put a stop to all the pending injunctions the travellers are proposing and the council can get on with resorting the land to 'green belt' Dont get me started on the application to English Heritage to get the scaffold over the gate listed! when will all this stop![/p][/quote]Read the article - they HAVEN'T got legal aid for the injunction and judicial review cases. This part: "ahead of today's court clash between the travellers and Basildon Council, which it is not funding."[/p][/quote]I did read the article - "TRAVELLERS at Dale Farm have so far been given £188,000 worth of legal aid" Read the Post - I never stated that they had received aid for the pending injunctions. I was suggestiong that had they not received legal aid I doubt that we would be in this position now. I am all for legal aid to those who deserve it, but lets not forget, the travellers are there illegally, they chose to ignore the laws of this land when it suits them, they do not pay taxes so how can they qualify for aid! As a resident of the village maybe I could get legal aid and contribute to the eviction myself! Ramsden

3:03pm Thu 29 Sep 11

Russ13 says...

Manuelization..... what has paying for gas/electricity got to do with paying income/council tax????

As for the "it's only greenbelt" comment...... kinda proves why the vast majority of decent, working, law-abiding citizens of the UK feel the way they do about the situation!
Manuelization..... what has paying for gas/electricity got to do with paying income/council tax???? As for the "it's only greenbelt" comment...... kinda proves why the vast majority of decent, working, law-abiding citizens of the UK feel the way they do about the situation! Russ13

3:55pm Thu 29 Sep 11

Jack Weir says...

Ramsden: "they do not pay taxes so how can they qualify for aid!"

They do pay taxes. Why lie?
Ramsden: "they do not pay taxes so how can they qualify for aid!" They do pay taxes. Why lie? Jack Weir

4:00pm Thu 29 Sep 11

gingerfox says...

The Lawyers 'get' the £200,000 surely? Not the travellers surely. The lawyers win. Everyone else loses
The Lawyers 'get' the £200,000 surely? Not the travellers surely. The lawyers win. Everyone else loses gingerfox

4:04pm Thu 29 Sep 11

its only fair says...

Russ13 wrote:
Manuelization..... what has paying for gas/electricity got to do with paying income/council tax???? As for the "it's only greenbelt" comment...... kinda proves why the vast majority of decent, working, law-abiding citizens of the UK feel the way they do about the situation!
Manuelization. u mug !! Shut up u really are a numpty ... It's only green belt ? As for the news papers try suing them they won't take any of your ol malarky ! And the traveller in u is coming out with the threats of violence ! Well me ol china ya all wind and wee , we ain't scared of your empty threats ! As for paying for your water the echo ran a story about the oap whose water you tapped in 2and ran up thousands of pounds of debt for him u are parasites , cockroaches of society ! If you all work so hard why do u need legal aid ? Fraud u have just admitted ! You are full of sh*t go tell ya lies to some other mugs cos we have herd it all befor
[quote][p][bold]Russ13[/bold] wrote: Manuelization..... what has paying for gas/electricity got to do with paying income/council tax???? As for the "it's only greenbelt" comment...... kinda proves why the vast majority of decent, working, law-abiding citizens of the UK feel the way they do about the situation![/p][/quote]Manuelization. u mug !! Shut up u really are a numpty ... It's only green belt ? As for the news papers try suing them they won't take any of your ol malarky ! And the traveller in u is coming out with the threats of violence ! Well me ol china ya all wind and wee , we ain't scared of your empty threats ! As for paying for your water the echo ran a story about the oap whose water you tapped in 2and ran up thousands of pounds of debt for him u are parasites , cockroaches of society ! If you all work so hard why do u need legal aid ? Fraud u have just admitted ! You are full of sh*t go tell ya lies to some other mugs cos we have herd it all befor its only fair

5:42pm Thu 29 Sep 11

jolllyboy says...

This is sick. To be given cash to try to upturn the law.

BTW there may be a lot of children there, but they dont all go to school even though they are school age, so they have no rights on that score.
This is sick. To be given cash to try to upturn the law. BTW there may be a lot of children there, but they dont all go to school even though they are school age, so they have no rights on that score. jolllyboy

11:40pm Thu 29 Sep 11

lillie1967 says...

APR wrote:
billericay boy wrote: The only people making out of this are the blood sucking lawyers trying to make a name for them self’s.
That's what I've said all along. The only winners out of this whole episode will be the lawyers and judges. The longer it goes on, the more they make.
i am a legal secretary and sorry to rain on your parade but the lawyers do not make money out of legal aid cases...the legal services commission strictly regulate the amount law firms are able to claim for legal aid cases and they actually make very little, they also in most l.a. cases have to wait 6-8 months to get any payment at all the the LSC decide what they can and cannot receive. also when a case does eventually come to an end (and only then can a firm claim payment) the court will assess any bill and decide whether everything claimed is justified and, if necessary, reduce any bill....so you see legal aid cases DO NOT make money for lawyers in fact they lose money in some cases and most of the money is made by the courts in court fees and counsel's (barrister's) fees as these fees are not limited, counsel's fees are not capped. So dont just bully the lawyers....you need to actually know something about things before you make stupid comments...
[quote][p][bold]APR[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billericay boy[/bold] wrote: The only people making out of this are the blood sucking lawyers trying to make a name for them self’s.[/p][/quote]That's what I've said all along. The only winners out of this whole episode will be the lawyers and judges. The longer it goes on, the more they make.[/p][/quote]i am a legal secretary and sorry to rain on your parade but the lawyers do not make money out of legal aid cases...the legal services commission strictly regulate the amount law firms are able to claim for legal aid cases and they actually make very little, they also in most l.a. cases have to wait 6-8 months to get any payment at all the the LSC decide what they can and cannot receive. also when a case does eventually come to an end (and only then can a firm claim payment) the court will assess any bill and decide whether everything claimed is justified and, if necessary, reduce any bill....so you see legal aid cases DO NOT make money for lawyers in fact they lose money in some cases and most of the money is made by the courts in court fees and counsel's (barrister's) fees as these fees are not limited, counsel's fees are not capped. So dont just bully the lawyers....you need to actually know something about things before you make stupid comments... lillie1967

8:50am Fri 30 Sep 11

Bosniavet says...

I'm sorry, but this is just wrong. Does this figure include the money that was paid to the couple who were taken to court & found guilty of making a fraudualent claim for legal aid, after a national newspaper reported on the house they owned nearby?
I'm sorry, but this is just wrong. Does this figure include the money that was paid to the couple who were taken to court & found guilty of making a fraudualent claim for legal aid, after a national newspaper reported on the house they owned nearby? Bosniavet

10:00am Fri 30 Sep 11

ajhall says...

Why is it that when you see any pictures of occupants of the site you only see woman and children. where are the men or do the have something
to hide.
Why is it that when you see any pictures of occupants of the site you only see woman and children. where are the men or do the have something to hide. ajhall

10:00am Fri 30 Sep 11

ajhall says...

Why is it that when you see any pictures of occupants of the site you only see woman and children. where are the men or do the have something
to hide.
Why is it that when you see any pictures of occupants of the site you only see woman and children. where are the men or do the have something to hide. ajhall

12:41pm Fri 30 Sep 11

richomack360 says...

Jack Weir wrote:
richomack360 wrote:
richomack360 wrote:
Jack Weir wrote: Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.
But can afford to spend thousands on weddings ? (as evidenced in BFGW) . Funny scenario, like Eastenders - everyone is broke but can afford to use the cafe, Queen Vic and Laundrette...very odd. .
Sorry, my mistake - I meant the people on Dale Farm who can buy / lease brand new vehicles every year. . Silly me.
Any evidence that the people who afford vehicles are the same people receiving legal aid?
Hahah, yes - but I cannot be bothered to show you and the "proof" brigade!
.
I was at the portest at the Town Hall and a group who 100% claimed to be from Dale Farm arrived in vehicles, belonging to them, that had new registrations - I asked them if they owned the vehicles as I was after a new car and they stated they did, but leased the transit vans through hire purchase.
.
So, not sure how they can afford to do this (as they have no permenant address allegedly) or to stump up the deposit for a BMW 4x4 - last time I checked was around 8K
[quote][p][bold]Jack Weir[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]richomack360[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]richomack360[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Weir[/bold] wrote: Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.[/p][/quote]But can afford to spend thousands on weddings ? (as evidenced in BFGW) . Funny scenario, like Eastenders - everyone is broke but can afford to use the cafe, Queen Vic and Laundrette...very odd. .[/p][/quote]Sorry, my mistake - I meant the people on Dale Farm who can buy / lease brand new vehicles every year. . Silly me.[/p][/quote]Any evidence that the people who afford vehicles are the same people receiving legal aid?[/p][/quote]Hahah, yes - but I cannot be bothered to show you and the "proof" brigade! . I was at the portest at the Town Hall and a group who 100% claimed to be from Dale Farm arrived in vehicles, belonging to them, that had new registrations - I asked them if they owned the vehicles as I was after a new car and they stated they did, but leased the transit vans through hire purchase. . So, not sure how they can afford to do this (as they have no permenant address allegedly) or to stump up the deposit for a BMW 4x4 - last time I checked was around 8K richomack360

1:22pm Fri 30 Sep 11

VANGE LES says...

What do you have to do to get legal aid thesedays - just have an Irish accent and live in a caravan.
What do you have to do to get legal aid thesedays - just have an Irish accent and live in a caravan. VANGE LES

1:38pm Fri 30 Sep 11

richomack360 says...

...well, they shouldn't be claiming it seeing as people who own foreign construction companies are associated with the site
.
TRAVELLERS fighting to stay at Europe's biggest illegal camp are linked to a network of French construction companies.

The Echo can reveal 23 road surfacing and building firms were set up by businessmen registered to traveller sites and addresses across Britain and Ireland. Seven are at Dale Farm, near Billericay.

The firms, set up last year, stretch from Calais, Boulogne and Lille, in the north, to Paris, Grenoble, Besancon, Cahors, Pau and Bordeaux, in the south, and even Sarreguemines, on the border with Germany.

Our investigation has discovered the companies are run by the Irish travellers, known as the Sheridan clan, who developed Dale Farm, in Crays Hill.

Yet statements by travellers during public inquiries claim the majority of the 50 illegal plots house single mothers and pensioners, who survive on state handouts.

They argue their need for a permanent home should outweigh the harm to the green belt.

However, our latest revelation has renewed calls for inquiries into the financing of the huge Dale Farm site.

Council leader Malcolm Buckley said: "The evidence clearly suggests many of the people should not qualify for benefits if they are running businesses and living and working abroad for a significant part of the year.

"I would hope the Benefits Agency will be investigating."

At the latest public inquiry last month, David McPherson-Davis, Ramsden Crays Parish Council chairman, produced evidence two of the families had French businesses linked to their addresses, as revealed in the Echo.

They were run by men not listed as living on site, in appeal paperwork given to Basildon Council and the Planning Inspectorate.

How was site financed?

OUR revelations have fuelled mounting suspicion Dale Farm was developed by wealthy businessmen.

Crays Hill residents believe unknown developers financed the site.

Villagers believe they use the traveller status of elderly and less able relatives to win planning permission, increasing the value of the green belt land.

Ramsden Crays Parish councillor John Dornan has now called for an investigation into the financing of the site.

He said: "The travellers say up to £2.5million was invested in the site, yet on paper it is occupied mostly by women on benefits. Here is evidence of links to businesses. The Government needs to investigate."

Billericay MP John Baron said: "I shall be pressing the Government to explore whether evidence given at local inquiries stands up to scrutiny given the new information unearthed by the Echo.

"I will also be raising the possibility of benefits being dishonestly claimed."

Residents say aerial photographs of the site and the latest gipsy count figures, which show up to half the site was empty this summer, support this argument.

Most appellants argue they no longer travel through ill-health, lack of transport or financial problems, yet many of their homes were deserted.

Pictures taken in September show a number of plots with no caravans or mobile homes on, and others locked up on legal and unauthorised areas. David McPherson-Davis, Ramsden Crays Parish Council chairman, said: "Is Dale Farm really a transit base when they are in the district? These businesses indicate the travellers are not as poor as they make out."

Basildon Council leader Malcolm Buckley said involvement with foreign businesses casts doubt on their claims for needing the site on human rights grounds. He said: "If people are working abroad or living elsewhere it brings into question their need to live at Dale Farm."

Dale Farm spokesman Richard Sheridan, who has just returned from a trip lobbying a homelessness conference at the European Parliament, said he knew nothing about the businesses. He said: "This is about people's rights and children's lives and the council trying to ethnically cleanse travellers from Basildon."

Puxon facing questions

TRAVELLER activist Grattan Puxon has made no secret of Continental business links - and his admissions fly in the face of repeated traveller arguments for staying at the site.

In pleas to the Government and United Nations, he has mentioned men working overseas.

At planning appeals, the travellers claim just a handful of men of working age live at Dale Farm, and most occupants no longer travel due to poor health, poverty and lack of transport.

Yet in a submission to the UN, Mr Puxon admitted hundreds of men live at Dale Farm.

He said action was needed before "many hundreds of men", women and children were thrown on to the road.

He also admits to the site's considerable workforce.

In a plea to the Government, he wrote: "This summer many, if not most, of the able-bodied workforce are away in France, Germany and Spain, where some have registered and established private companies.

"They are following a new work pattern which involves the older folk and small children remaining at home, while the men pursue trades on the Continent."

His press releases also admit to large-scale business travelling, stating: "That's not to say they don't travel any more. Far from it. A new version of the travelling life is rapidly evolving, facilitated by the freedom of movement within the EU. Using Dale Farm as a base, they're now making extended trips to France, Germany and Spain."

However, David McPherson-Davis, Ramsden Crays Parish Council chairman, said: "These inconsistencies fly in the face of appeal evidence and need explaining.

"At inquiries we are told of hard-up women who can't travel.

"Mr Puxon's statements suggest otherwise."

Mr Puxon also admitted men not listed as living at Dale Farm are also using the site, although he would not comment on individual anomalies revealed by the businesses.

He said: "You have to bear in mind there are always some comings and goings with, in particular, younger men staying for a while and then going off on work trips.

"I have no detailed information on this score about individual plots.

"When talking about new work-patterns, with travellers going abroad, I have been referring generally to the Dale Farm and Oak Lane area as a whole."

He said his main concern remained fighting for the rights of the elderly, children and single mothers.

He added: "The static community of elderly people, some infirm, and children and single mothers in the yards without planning consent, are my concern.

"This is the main concern of the Save Dale Farm campaign."

Sheridan clan's business empire

THE Sheridan clan's French businesses reveal more evidence of an empire stretching from Ireland to Essex and the Midlands.

Eight of the company directors, some of whom also deal in antiques and furniture, claimed Dale Farm was their home.

Other businessmen used addresses in areas where links to Dale Farm had already been established by previous Echo investigations.

Here's what the Echo unearthed in French company registration documents:

* Four directors used private homes in Rathkeale, County Limerick, Ireland

* Six directors said they lived in housing association homes on the Low Hill estate, Wolverhampton

* Four men gave the Smithy Fen illegal camp at Cottenham, Cambridgeshire, as their address

* Three men gave addresses in Mansfield, Notts, previously used by people living at Dale Farm, which included a former antiques warehouse

* Five used mailbox addresses in London and Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

* Five said they lived in France, while others used addresses in Lancaster, Shropshire, and a council house in Coventry.

Many directors with an address in one of the areas teamed up with partners using addresses elsewhere.

J&D International Ground was set up by John Gammell, 42, from Lillington Road, Coventry, with Dan Flynn, 46, from Roches Road, Rathkeale.

Danny, 38, and James Sheridan, 39, from Crays Hill, set up NWD Constructions with William McCarthy, 39, from Smithy Fen.

David Sheridan, 45, used the former Fair Deal antiques warehouse in Chesterfield Road North, Mansfield, as an address to set up JAD Asphalt with John Sheridan, 40, and David Quilligan, 42, who both used a Cheltenham mailbox address.
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I used to be impartial on the subject, but I am being swayed towards the legal eviction of the illegal site as the same places keep getting mentioned - Smithy Fen, Rathkeale, Dale Farm, Sheridans....it sounds very murky indeed
...well, they shouldn't be claiming it seeing as people who own foreign construction companies are associated with the site . TRAVELLERS fighting to stay at Europe's biggest illegal camp are linked to a network of French construction companies. The Echo can reveal 23 road surfacing and building firms were set up by businessmen registered to traveller sites and addresses across Britain and Ireland. Seven are at Dale Farm, near Billericay. The firms, set up last year, stretch from Calais, Boulogne and Lille, in the north, to Paris, Grenoble, Besancon, Cahors, Pau and Bordeaux, in the south, and even Sarreguemines, on the border with Germany. Our investigation has discovered the companies are run by the Irish travellers, known as the Sheridan clan, who developed Dale Farm, in Crays Hill. Yet statements by travellers during public inquiries claim the majority of the 50 illegal plots house single mothers and pensioners, who survive on state handouts. They argue their need for a permanent home should outweigh the harm to the green belt. However, our latest revelation has renewed calls for inquiries into the financing of the huge Dale Farm site. Council leader Malcolm Buckley said: "The evidence clearly suggests many of the people should not qualify for benefits if they are running businesses and living and working abroad for a significant part of the year. "I would hope the Benefits Agency will be investigating." At the latest public inquiry last month, David McPherson-Davis, Ramsden Crays Parish Council chairman, produced evidence two of the families had French businesses linked to their addresses, as revealed in the Echo. They were run by men not listed as living on site, in appeal paperwork given to Basildon Council and the Planning Inspectorate. How was site financed? OUR revelations have fuelled mounting suspicion Dale Farm was developed by wealthy businessmen. Crays Hill residents believe unknown developers financed the site. Villagers believe they use the traveller status of elderly and less able relatives to win planning permission, increasing the value of the green belt land. Ramsden Crays Parish councillor John Dornan has now called for an investigation into the financing of the site. He said: "The travellers say up to £2.5million was invested in the site, yet on paper it is occupied mostly by women on benefits. Here is evidence of links to businesses. The Government needs to investigate." Billericay MP John Baron said: "I shall be pressing the Government to explore whether evidence given at local inquiries stands up to scrutiny given the new information unearthed by the Echo. "I will also be raising the possibility of benefits being dishonestly claimed." Residents say aerial photographs of the site and the latest gipsy count figures, which show up to half the site was empty this summer, support this argument. Most appellants argue they no longer travel through ill-health, lack of transport or financial problems, yet many of their homes were deserted. Pictures taken in September show a number of plots with no caravans or mobile homes on, and others locked up on legal and unauthorised areas. David McPherson-Davis, Ramsden Crays Parish Council chairman, said: "Is Dale Farm really a transit base when they are in the district? These businesses indicate the travellers are not as poor as they make out." Basildon Council leader Malcolm Buckley said involvement with foreign businesses casts doubt on their claims for needing the site on human rights grounds. He said: "If people are working abroad or living elsewhere it brings into question their need to live at Dale Farm." Dale Farm spokesman Richard Sheridan, who has just returned from a trip lobbying a homelessness conference at the European Parliament, said he knew nothing about the businesses. He said: "This is about people's rights and children's lives and the council trying to ethnically cleanse travellers from Basildon." Puxon facing questions TRAVELLER activist Grattan Puxon has made no secret of Continental business links - and his admissions fly in the face of repeated traveller arguments for staying at the site. In pleas to the Government and United Nations, he has mentioned men working overseas. At planning appeals, the travellers claim just a handful of men of working age live at Dale Farm, and most occupants no longer travel due to poor health, poverty and lack of transport. Yet in a submission to the UN, Mr Puxon admitted hundreds of men live at Dale Farm. He said action was needed before "many hundreds of men", women and children were thrown on to the road. He also admits to the site's considerable workforce. In a plea to the Government, he wrote: "This summer many, if not most, of the able-bodied workforce are away in France, Germany and Spain, where some have registered and established private companies. "They are following a new work pattern which involves the older folk and small children remaining at home, while the men pursue trades on the Continent." His press releases also admit to large-scale business travelling, stating: "That's not to say they don't travel any more. Far from it. A new version of the travelling life is rapidly evolving, facilitated by the freedom of movement within the EU. Using Dale Farm as a base, they're now making extended trips to France, Germany and Spain." However, David McPherson-Davis, Ramsden Crays Parish Council chairman, said: "These inconsistencies fly in the face of appeal evidence and need explaining. "At inquiries we are told of hard-up women who can't travel. "Mr Puxon's statements suggest otherwise." Mr Puxon also admitted men not listed as living at Dale Farm are also using the site, although he would not comment on individual anomalies revealed by the businesses. He said: "You have to bear in mind there are always some comings and goings with, in particular, younger men staying for a while and then going off on work trips. "I have no detailed information on this score about individual plots. "When talking about new work-patterns, with travellers going abroad, I have been referring generally to the Dale Farm and Oak Lane area as a whole." He said his main concern remained fighting for the rights of the elderly, children and single mothers. He added: "The static community of elderly people, some infirm, and children and single mothers in the yards without planning consent, are my concern. "This is the main concern of the Save Dale Farm campaign." Sheridan clan's business empire THE Sheridan clan's French businesses reveal more evidence of an empire stretching from Ireland to Essex and the Midlands. Eight of the company directors, some of whom also deal in antiques and furniture, claimed Dale Farm was their home. Other businessmen used addresses in areas where links to Dale Farm had already been established by previous Echo investigations. Here's what the Echo unearthed in French company registration documents: * Four directors used private homes in Rathkeale, County Limerick, Ireland * Six directors said they lived in housing association homes on the Low Hill estate, Wolverhampton * Four men gave the Smithy Fen illegal camp at Cottenham, Cambridgeshire, as their address * Three men gave addresses in Mansfield, Notts, previously used by people living at Dale Farm, which included a former antiques warehouse * Five used mailbox addresses in London and Cheltenham, Gloucestershire * Five said they lived in France, while others used addresses in Lancaster, Shropshire, and a council house in Coventry. Many directors with an address in one of the areas teamed up with partners using addresses elsewhere. J&D International Ground was set up by John Gammell, 42, from Lillington Road, Coventry, with Dan Flynn, 46, from Roches Road, Rathkeale. Danny, 38, and James Sheridan, 39, from Crays Hill, set up NWD Constructions with William McCarthy, 39, from Smithy Fen. David Sheridan, 45, used the former Fair Deal antiques warehouse in Chesterfield Road North, Mansfield, as an address to set up JAD Asphalt with John Sheridan, 40, and David Quilligan, 42, who both used a Cheltenham mailbox address. . I used to be impartial on the subject, but I am being swayed towards the legal eviction of the illegal site as the same places keep getting mentioned - Smithy Fen, Rathkeale, Dale Farm, Sheridans....it sounds very murky indeed richomack360

8:47pm Fri 30 Sep 11

resident3 says...

All that income, and they turn a nice field into an stinking shithole!

It is quite obvious that Basildon Council have underestimated the travellers resources, both financial and legal.

Bring in the big guns (HMRC) and stick a torch up their @rses.

And when they find what we all know already (they are thieving lying scum), kick their arses all the way to Ireland.
All that income, and they turn a nice field into an stinking shithole! It is quite obvious that Basildon Council have underestimated the travellers resources, both financial and legal. Bring in the big guns (HMRC) and stick a torch up their @rses. And when they find what we all know already (they are thieving lying scum), kick their arses all the way to Ireland. resident3

9:07pm Fri 30 Sep 11

anjou says...

Get this right..

The Council has conceded 5 plots of land all fences and gateways, that it can't take vehicles onto another ten.. etc.. etc.. etc..

The travellers will be getting costs against Basildon.. as Tony Ball is still saying that he can clear the site and he can't because the Council issued 'naff' notices.

Tony Ball said he would resign if the site could not be cleared and it was shown to be the Council's fault.

Nuff said.

Candy Sheridan has obtained weekly bin collections for every household in England.. and that is more than John Baron (i don't live in Basildon because everyone asks me about my expenses) has ever done..
Get this right.. The Council has conceded 5 plots of land all fences and gateways, that it can't take vehicles onto another ten.. etc.. etc.. etc.. The travellers will be getting costs against Basildon.. as Tony Ball is still saying that he can clear the site and he can't because the Council issued 'naff' notices. Tony Ball said he would resign if the site could not be cleared and it was shown to be the Council's fault. Nuff said. Candy Sheridan has obtained weekly bin collections for every household in England.. and that is more than John Baron (i don't live in Basildon because everyone asks me about my expenses) has ever done.. anjou

9:55pm Sun 2 Oct 11

ItscalledspinIcallitlying says...

wickham wrote:
annonnamus says...
10:08am Thu 29 Sep 11

What a pointless news article.”


Are you say annonnamus, that the Law abiding Tax Payer does not have a right to know where there money is going.
Are you saying you have the right to access anyone's personal financial details in the UK?

I don't think you really understand how the system works old bean.
[quote][p][bold]wickham[/bold] wrote: annonnamus says... 10:08am Thu 29 Sep 11 What a pointless news article.” Are you say annonnamus, that the Law abiding Tax Payer does not have a right to know where there money is going.[/p][/quote]Are you saying you have the right to access anyone's personal financial details in the UK? I don't think you really understand how the system works old bean. ItscalledspinIcallitlying

9:56pm Sun 2 Oct 11

ItscalledspinIcallitlying says...

ajhall wrote:
Why is it that when you see any pictures of occupants of the site you only see woman and children. where are the men or do the have something
to hide.
Can we see your face put to your protestations?
[quote][p][bold]ajhall[/bold] wrote: Why is it that when you see any pictures of occupants of the site you only see woman and children. where are the men or do the have something to hide.[/p][/quote]Can we see your face put to your protestations? ItscalledspinIcallitlying

9:57pm Sun 2 Oct 11

ItscalledspinIcallitlying says...

its only fair wrote:
annonnamus wrote:
What a pointless news article.
its only pointless if it aint your money thats gettin wasted i take it you dont pay tax ???
Everybody pays tax and if you don't think so then you don't understand taxation.
[quote][p][bold]its only fair[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annonnamus[/bold] wrote: What a pointless news article.[/p][/quote]its only pointless if it aint your money thats gettin wasted i take it you dont pay tax ???[/p][/quote]Everybody pays tax and if you don't think so then you don't understand taxation. ItscalledspinIcallitlying

9:59pm Sun 2 Oct 11

ItscalledspinIcallitlying says...

lillie1967 wrote:
APR wrote:
billericay boy wrote: The only people making out of this are the blood sucking lawyers trying to make a name for them self’s.
That's what I've said all along. The only winners out of this whole episode will be the lawyers and judges. The longer it goes on, the more they make.
i am a legal secretary and sorry to rain on your parade but the lawyers do not make money out of legal aid cases...the legal services commission strictly regulate the amount law firms are able to claim for legal aid cases and they actually make very little, they also in most l.a. cases have to wait 6-8 months to get any payment at all the the LSC decide what they can and cannot receive. also when a case does eventually come to an end (and only then can a firm claim payment) the court will assess any bill and decide whether everything claimed is justified and, if necessary, reduce any bill....so you see legal aid cases DO NOT make money for lawyers in fact they lose money in some cases and most of the money is made by the courts in court fees and counsel's (barrister's) fees as these fees are not limited, counsel's fees are not capped. So dont just bully the lawyers....you need to actually know something about things before you make stupid comments...
Don't confuse them with facts!
[quote][p][bold]lillie1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]APR[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billericay boy[/bold] wrote: The only people making out of this are the blood sucking lawyers trying to make a name for them self’s.[/p][/quote]That's what I've said all along. The only winners out of this whole episode will be the lawyers and judges. The longer it goes on, the more they make.[/p][/quote]i am a legal secretary and sorry to rain on your parade but the lawyers do not make money out of legal aid cases...the legal services commission strictly regulate the amount law firms are able to claim for legal aid cases and they actually make very little, they also in most l.a. cases have to wait 6-8 months to get any payment at all the the LSC decide what they can and cannot receive. also when a case does eventually come to an end (and only then can a firm claim payment) the court will assess any bill and decide whether everything claimed is justified and, if necessary, reduce any bill....so you see legal aid cases DO NOT make money for lawyers in fact they lose money in some cases and most of the money is made by the courts in court fees and counsel's (barrister's) fees as these fees are not limited, counsel's fees are not capped. So dont just bully the lawyers....you need to actually know something about things before you make stupid comments...[/p][/quote]Don't confuse them with facts! ItscalledspinIcallitlying

10:02pm Sun 2 Oct 11

ItscalledspinIcallitlying says...

its only fair wrote:
TO MR BARRON MP

AS AN MP COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS SEEING AS ITS US WHO VOTES FOR YOU ???

1, WHY IS IT NO ONE HAS CHECK PROPERLY TO SEE WHAT PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE TRAVELLERS AT DALE FARM ?
2, HOW COMES THEY HAVE SAID ALL THE MEN ARE WORKING BUT STILL GET £200,000 IN LEGAL AID
3,WHY IS IT THE TRAVELLERS ARE ALLOWED TO FLAUNT THE LAW .IE.. IF WE SET UP A SHANTY TOWN THE POLICE WOULD DRAG US OFF SO FAST THEY WOULDNT LISTEN TO A COURT ORDER ?
4,WHAT HAVE YOU ACCTUALLY DONE ABOUT GETTING THE LAWBREAKERS MOVED OFF?
5,DO YOU SUPPORT THEIR ILLEGAL SQUAT ?
6, AS A RESIDENT OF YOUR WARD COULD YOU PLEASE TELL US AFTER THIS FIASCO WHY I WOULD VOTE FOR YOU AGAIN ?
7,WHY HASNT INLAND REVENUE INVESTIGATED THE TRAVELLERS IE THE SHERIDANS A.K.A MCCARTHY A.K.A O"BRIENS A.K.A FLYNNS SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF NAMES FOR ONE FAMILY
8, THE RULES OF HOUSING BENEFIT AS I WAS TOLD DONT ALLOW ONE FAMILY MEMBER TO CLAIM BENEFIT TO PAY ANOTHER BUT CLEARLY HOUSING BENEFIT IS BEING PAID TO A MR SHERIDAN IN IRELAND ..SAME FAMILY WHO JUST HAPPEN TO LIVE AT DALE FARM !
9,WHY ARE NON TAX PAYERS INTITLED TO SCHOOLING,NHS,AND ALL THE OTHER BENEFITS OF OUR SOCIETY WHEN THEY DONT ACCTUALLY PAY TOWARDS THEM ?
10,WHY DO THE POLICE NOT WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH TRAVELLERS COMMITING CRIME BECAUSE IT MIGHT UPSET THE COMMUNITY ?ISNT THAT RACIAL DISCRIMINATION AGAINST US ??
11, HOW DO THE TRAVELLERS LEASE CARS WITHOUT A PROPER ADDRESS?
SURLEY LEASING COMPANYS MUST CREDIT CHECK AND IM SURE MOST OF DALE FARM RESIDENTS AINT ON THE ELECTORIAL ROLL ?SO WHAT ADDRESS DO THEY GIVE ?? PROBLEY THEIR HOME ADDRESS IN WOLVERHAMPTON OR IRELAND !

SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REPLY WE THE VOTERS AND TAX PAYERS AND YOUR EMPLOYERS WOULD LIKE TO NO THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS WHICH AS AN MP I THINK YOU ARE DUTY BOUND TO ANSWER I AWAIT YOUR REPLY
MANY THANKS

THE LAW ABIDING TAX PAYERS OF YOUR WARD !!!
Think you got his address wrong, lol.

I really think you should send it, it's fcuking hilarious and might even get onto the pages of Private Eye.

Down with this sort of thing!
[quote][p][bold]its only fair[/bold] wrote: TO MR BARRON MP AS AN MP COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS SEEING AS ITS US WHO VOTES FOR YOU ??? 1, WHY IS IT NO ONE HAS CHECK PROPERLY TO SEE WHAT PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE TRAVELLERS AT DALE FARM ? 2, HOW COMES THEY HAVE SAID ALL THE MEN ARE WORKING BUT STILL GET £200,000 IN LEGAL AID 3,WHY IS IT THE TRAVELLERS ARE ALLOWED TO FLAUNT THE LAW .IE.. IF WE SET UP A SHANTY TOWN THE POLICE WOULD DRAG US OFF SO FAST THEY WOULDNT LISTEN TO A COURT ORDER ? 4,WHAT HAVE YOU ACCTUALLY DONE ABOUT GETTING THE LAWBREAKERS MOVED OFF? 5,DO YOU SUPPORT THEIR ILLEGAL SQUAT ? 6, AS A RESIDENT OF YOUR WARD COULD YOU PLEASE TELL US AFTER THIS FIASCO WHY I WOULD VOTE FOR YOU AGAIN ? 7,WHY HASNT INLAND REVENUE INVESTIGATED THE TRAVELLERS IE THE SHERIDANS A.K.A MCCARTHY A.K.A O"BRIENS A.K.A FLYNNS SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF NAMES FOR ONE FAMILY 8, THE RULES OF HOUSING BENEFIT AS I WAS TOLD DONT ALLOW ONE FAMILY MEMBER TO CLAIM BENEFIT TO PAY ANOTHER BUT CLEARLY HOUSING BENEFIT IS BEING PAID TO A MR SHERIDAN IN IRELAND ..SAME FAMILY WHO JUST HAPPEN TO LIVE AT DALE FARM ! 9,WHY ARE NON TAX PAYERS INTITLED TO SCHOOLING,NHS,AND ALL THE OTHER BENEFITS OF OUR SOCIETY WHEN THEY DONT ACCTUALLY PAY TOWARDS THEM ? 10,WHY DO THE POLICE NOT WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH TRAVELLERS COMMITING CRIME BECAUSE IT MIGHT UPSET THE COMMUNITY ?ISNT THAT RACIAL DISCRIMINATION AGAINST US ?? 11, HOW DO THE TRAVELLERS LEASE CARS WITHOUT A PROPER ADDRESS? SURLEY LEASING COMPANYS MUST CREDIT CHECK AND IM SURE MOST OF DALE FARM RESIDENTS AINT ON THE ELECTORIAL ROLL ?SO WHAT ADDRESS DO THEY GIVE ?? PROBLEY THEIR HOME ADDRESS IN WOLVERHAMPTON OR IRELAND ! SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REPLY WE THE VOTERS AND TAX PAYERS AND YOUR EMPLOYERS WOULD LIKE TO NO THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS WHICH AS AN MP I THINK YOU ARE DUTY BOUND TO ANSWER I AWAIT YOUR REPLY MANY THANKS THE LAW ABIDING TAX PAYERS OF YOUR WARD !!![/p][/quote]Think you got his address wrong, lol. I really think you should send it, it's fcuking hilarious and might even get onto the pages of Private Eye. Down with this sort of thing! ItscalledspinIcallitlying

10:03pm Sun 2 Oct 11

ItscalledspinIcallitlying says...

its only fair wrote:
TO THE ECHO ..
PLEASE COULD YOU BRING THESE QUESTIONS TO THE ATTENTION OF MR BARRON MP AS I HAVE WRITTEN TO HIM BUT AS YET HAVE NOT HAD A REPLY ..............

MANY THANKS !
Ha, ha, ha ,ha, ha , ha, ha , ....................
....................
................ ha, ha.

You are mustard, lol.
[quote][p][bold]its only fair[/bold] wrote: TO THE ECHO .. PLEASE COULD YOU BRING THESE QUESTIONS TO THE ATTENTION OF MR BARRON MP AS I HAVE WRITTEN TO HIM BUT AS YET HAVE NOT HAD A REPLY .............. MANY THANKS ![/p][/quote]Ha, ha, ha ,ha, ha , ha, ha , .................... .................... ................ ha, ha. You are mustard, lol. ItscalledspinIcallitlying

10:07pm Sun 2 Oct 11

ItscalledspinIcallitlying says...

richomack360 wrote:
Jack Weir wrote:
Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.
But can afford to spend thousands on weddings ? (as evidenced in BFGW)
.
Funny scenario, like Eastenders - everyone is broke but can afford to use the cafe, Queen Vic and Laundrette...very odd.
.
You seem to be working on the formula that every single action by an individual from a particular community translates to every single member of that community. Brilliant.

How many bodies have you got buried under your patio?
[quote][p][bold]richomack360[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Weir[/bold] wrote: Good, far from being a "shocking figure" it's excellent that the legal system helps those who cannot afford expensive lawyers to protect their homes.[/p][/quote]But can afford to spend thousands on weddings ? (as evidenced in BFGW) . Funny scenario, like Eastenders - everyone is broke but can afford to use the cafe, Queen Vic and Laundrette...very odd. .[/p][/quote]You seem to be working on the formula that every single action by an individual from a particular community translates to every single member of that community. Brilliant. How many bodies have you got buried under your patio? ItscalledspinIcallitlying

10:09pm Sun 2 Oct 11

ItscalledspinIcallitlying says...

its only fair wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
To It's only fair... John Baron's email is baronj@parliament.uk - ask him directly yourself. As for the other idiot who says this is a pointless article. I suggest YOU are pointless. Pointless person who doesn't get the point. How thick do you have to be? These people are screwing the taxpayers out of millions and have done so for ten years, INCLUDING YOU! I cannot believe some of the imbeciles we get on here.
thanx kim ..
i will email him be intresting too see his reply !
and you are right about the imbeciles on hear .. as long as they get their dole money every week they dont care !!
You two sound like the lively ones at the Variety Sunshine Club.
[quote][p][bold]its only fair[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: To It's only fair... John Baron's email is baronj@parliament.uk - ask him directly yourself. As for the other idiot who says this is a pointless article. I suggest YOU are pointless. Pointless person who doesn't get the point. How thick do you have to be? These people are screwing the taxpayers out of millions and have done so for ten years, INCLUDING YOU! I cannot believe some of the imbeciles we get on here.[/p][/quote]thanx kim .. i will email him be intresting too see his reply ! and you are right about the imbeciles on hear .. as long as they get their dole money every week they dont care !![/p][/quote]You two sound like the lively ones at the Variety Sunshine Club. ItscalledspinIcallitlying

10:41pm Sun 2 Oct 11

ItscalledspinIcallitlying says...

wickham wrote:
Candy Sheridan said outside the Law Courts on Monday that the Lawyer etc were giving their services for free, If that is the case why have they needed Legal Aid.I suggest the Echo allows us to see the video of her comments on Monday.
I suggest you read the story properly before making a tw4t of yourself. Whoops, you've already done so!
[quote][p][bold]wickham[/bold] wrote: Candy Sheridan said outside the Law Courts on Monday that the Lawyer etc were giving their services for free, If that is the case why have they needed Legal Aid.I suggest the Echo allows us to see the video of her comments on Monday.[/p][/quote]I suggest you read the story properly before making a tw4t of yourself. Whoops, you've already done so! ItscalledspinIcallitlying

10:43pm Sun 2 Oct 11

ItscalledspinIcallitlying says...

Brunning999 wrote:
Worth every penny especially the grand finale yet to come.

The great war of Crays Hill will make history for years to come with the title:

'the day the great British public woke up and realized that The Labour Party gave our rights as law abiding citizens away and created a section of society that takes the Michael and contributes only grief and suffering at our expense.

Hopefully the convicted terrorists that have tried to kill us and and the violent convicted Immigrants of any colour will be the next to be evicted.
Welcome to the boards Mr BNP/EDL.
[quote][p][bold]Brunning999[/bold] wrote: Worth every penny especially the grand finale yet to come. The great war of Crays Hill will make history for years to come with the title: 'the day the great British public woke up and realized that The Labour Party gave our rights as law abiding citizens away and created a section of society that takes the Michael and contributes only grief and suffering at our expense. Hopefully the convicted terrorists that have tried to kill us and and the violent convicted Immigrants of any colour will be the next to be evicted.[/p][/quote]Welcome to the boards Mr BNP/EDL. ItscalledspinIcallitlying

10:47pm Sun 2 Oct 11

ItscalledspinIcallitlying says...

VANGE LES wrote:
What do you have to do to get legal aid thesedays - just have an Irish accent and live in a caravan.
No, just apply for it and if you are entitled you will get it.
[quote][p][bold]VANGE LES[/bold] wrote: What do you have to do to get legal aid thesedays - just have an Irish accent and live in a caravan.[/p][/quote]No, just apply for it and if you are entitled you will get it. ItscalledspinIcallitlying

10:50pm Sun 2 Oct 11

ItscalledspinIcallitlying says...

resident3 wrote:
All that income, and they turn a nice field into an stinking shithole!

It is quite obvious that Basildon Council have underestimated the travellers resources, both financial and legal.

Bring in the big guns (HMRC) and stick a torch up their @rses.

And when they find what we all know already (they are thieving lying scum), kick their arses all the way to Ireland.
It's funny how a load of foaming at the mouth internet posters know more than HMRC, the police, the DWP blah blah blah.

Go on, help them out, report your allegations to the relevant authorities and when you are asked to provide your evidence do record the response for me won't you. I could do with a laugh.
[quote][p][bold]resident3[/bold] wrote: All that income, and they turn a nice field into an stinking shithole! It is quite obvious that Basildon Council have underestimated the travellers resources, both financial and legal. Bring in the big guns (HMRC) and stick a torch up their @rses. And when they find what we all know already (they are thieving lying scum), kick their arses all the way to Ireland.[/p][/quote]It's funny how a load of foaming at the mouth internet posters know more than HMRC, the police, the DWP blah blah blah. Go on, help them out, report your allegations to the relevant authorities and when you are asked to provide your evidence do record the response for me won't you. I could do with a laugh. ItscalledspinIcallitlying

10:54pm Sun 2 Oct 11

ItscalledspinIcallitlying says...

wickham wrote:
Candy Sheridan said outside the Law Courts on Monday that the Lawyer etc were giving their services for free, If that is the case why have they needed Legal Aid.I suggest the Echo allows us to see the video of her comments on Monday.
Missing the MSN boards wickham?
[quote][p][bold]wickham[/bold] wrote: Candy Sheridan said outside the Law Courts on Monday that the Lawyer etc were giving their services for free, If that is the case why have they needed Legal Aid.I suggest the Echo allows us to see the video of her comments on Monday.[/p][/quote]Missing the MSN boards wickham? ItscalledspinIcallitlying

11:39pm Sun 2 Oct 11

ItscalledspinIcallitlying says...

"The Echo can reveal 23 road surfacing and building firms were set up by businessmen registered to traveller sites and addresses across Britain and Ireland. Seven are at Dale Farm, near Billericay."

So far that is 7.

"Our investigation has discovered the companies are run by the Irish travellers, known as the Sheridan clan, who developed Dale Farm, in Crays Hill."

So far 7 from the same family.

"Yet statements by travellers during public inquiries claim the majority of the 50 illegal plots house single mothers and pensioners, who survive on state handouts."

Which sounds about right given one family of 7 are the only ones implicated.

"Council leader Malcolm Buckley said: "The evidence clearly suggests many of the people should not qualify for benefits if they are running businesses and living and working abroad for a significant part of the year."I would hope the Benefits Agency will be investigating.""

So why didn't he report his evidence? Seems a little strange considering wouldn't you say?

"At the latest public inquiry last month, David McPherson-Davis, Ramsden Crays Parish Council chairman, produced evidence two of the families had French businesses linked to their addresses, as revealed in the Echo.
They were run by men not listed as living on site, in appeal paperwork given to Basildon Council and the Planning Inspectorate."

Ever wondered why HSBC uses a PO Box in some foreign country? Businesses up and down the country do not use the Directors home address as the business address.

"How was site financed? OUR revelations have fuelled mounting suspicion Dale Farm was developed by wealthy businessmen. Crays Hill residents believe unknown developers financed the site. Villagers believe they use the traveller status of elderly and less able relatives to win planning permission, increasing the value of the green belt land."

And now we see the true style of poor journos working on local rags trying to make a name for themselves. Insinuation, suspicion 'local residents think', blah blah blah.

And then paragraph after paragraph of supposition and more insinuation. Classic Daily Mail type heavily loaded conjecture.

And then this classic cr4p journalism.

"At planning appeals, the travellers claim just a handful of men of working age live at Dale Farm, and most occupants no longer travel due to poor health, poverty and lack of transport. Yet in a submission to the UN, Mr Puxon admitted hundreds of men live at Dale Farm. He said action was needed before "many hundreds of men", women and children were thrown on to the road."

Lol, he said "many hundreds of men, women and children" and not 'many hundreds of men, many hundreds of women and many hundreds of children'.

That bit of journalism is so bad is is beneath contempt and you are using this persons story as your evidence, lol.

"Eight of the company directors, some of whom also deal in antiques and furniture, claimed Dale Farm was their home."

So it is 8 and not 7 now is it? And then they go on to list their findings that only shows 2 from Dale Farm! This journo is all over the place, is he drunk or has he banged his head?

"Other businessmen used addresses in areas where links to Dale Farm had already been established by previous Echo investigations."

Let's hope it was a different journalist cause this one's awful.


"Someone present this and the land reg documents of the properties in Ireland to the courts - do it Echo, make a name for yourself!"

From what you've just presented they'd be laughed out of court at best and held in contempt at worst for wasting courts time.
"The Echo can reveal 23 road surfacing and building firms were set up by businessmen registered to traveller sites and addresses across Britain and Ireland. Seven are at Dale Farm, near Billericay." So far that is 7. "Our investigation has discovered the companies are run by the Irish travellers, known as the Sheridan clan, who developed Dale Farm, in Crays Hill." So far 7 from the same family. "Yet statements by travellers during public inquiries claim the majority of the 50 illegal plots house single mothers and pensioners, who survive on state handouts." Which sounds about right given one family of 7 are the only ones implicated. "Council leader Malcolm Buckley said: "The evidence clearly suggests many of the people should not qualify for benefits if they are running businesses and living and working abroad for a significant part of the year."I would hope the Benefits Agency will be investigating."" So why didn't he report his evidence? Seems a little strange considering wouldn't you say? "At the latest public inquiry last month, David McPherson-Davis, Ramsden Crays Parish Council chairman, produced evidence two of the families had French businesses linked to their addresses, as revealed in the Echo. They were run by men not listed as living on site, in appeal paperwork given to Basildon Council and the Planning Inspectorate." Ever wondered why HSBC uses a PO Box in some foreign country? Businesses up and down the country do not use the Directors home address as the business address. "How was site financed? OUR revelations have fuelled mounting suspicion Dale Farm was developed by wealthy businessmen. Crays Hill residents believe unknown developers financed the site. Villagers believe they use the traveller status of elderly and less able relatives to win planning permission, increasing the value of the green belt land." And now we see the true style of poor journos working on local rags trying to make a name for themselves. Insinuation, suspicion 'local residents think', blah blah blah. And then paragraph after paragraph of supposition and more insinuation. Classic Daily Mail type heavily loaded conjecture. And then this classic cr4p journalism. "At planning appeals, the travellers claim just a handful of men of working age live at Dale Farm, and most occupants no longer travel due to poor health, poverty and lack of transport. Yet in a submission to the UN, Mr Puxon admitted hundreds of men live at Dale Farm. He said action was needed before "many hundreds of men", women and children were thrown on to the road." Lol, he said "many hundreds of men, women and children" and not 'many hundreds of men, many hundreds of women and many hundreds of children'. That bit of journalism is so bad is is beneath contempt and you are using this persons story as your evidence, lol. "Eight of the company directors, some of whom also deal in antiques and furniture, claimed Dale Farm was their home." So it is 8 and not 7 now is it? And then they go on to list their findings that only shows 2 from Dale Farm! This journo is all over the place, is he drunk or has he banged his head? "Other businessmen used addresses in areas where links to Dale Farm had already been established by previous Echo investigations." Let's hope it was a different journalist cause this one's awful. "Someone present this and the land reg documents of the properties in Ireland to the courts - do it Echo, make a name for yourself!" From what you've just presented they'd be laughed out of court at best and held in contempt at worst for wasting courts time. ItscalledspinIcallitlying

8:55am Mon 3 Oct 11

richomack360 says...

ItscalledspinIcallit
lying
wrote:
"The Echo can reveal 23 road surfacing and building firms were set up by businessmen registered to traveller sites and addresses across Britain and Ireland. Seven are at Dale Farm, near Billericay." So far that is 7. "Our investigation has discovered the companies are run by the Irish travellers, known as the Sheridan clan, who developed Dale Farm, in Crays Hill." So far 7 from the same family. "Yet statements by travellers during public inquiries claim the majority of the 50 illegal plots house single mothers and pensioners, who survive on state handouts." Which sounds about right given one family of 7 are the only ones implicated. "Council leader Malcolm Buckley said: "The evidence clearly suggests many of the people should not qualify for benefits if they are running businesses and living and working abroad for a significant part of the year."I would hope the Benefits Agency will be investigating."" So why didn't he report his evidence? Seems a little strange considering wouldn't you say? "At the latest public inquiry last month, David McPherson-Davis, Ramsden Crays Parish Council chairman, produced evidence two of the families had French businesses linked to their addresses, as revealed in the Echo. They were run by men not listed as living on site, in appeal paperwork given to Basildon Council and the Planning Inspectorate." Ever wondered why HSBC uses a PO Box in some foreign country? Businesses up and down the country do not use the Directors home address as the business address. "How was site financed? OUR revelations have fuelled mounting suspicion Dale Farm was developed by wealthy businessmen. Crays Hill residents believe unknown developers financed the site. Villagers believe they use the traveller status of elderly and less able relatives to win planning permission, increasing the value of the green belt land." And now we see the true style of poor journos working on local rags trying to make a name for themselves. Insinuation, suspicion 'local residents think', blah blah blah. And then paragraph after paragraph of supposition and more insinuation. Classic Daily Mail type heavily loaded conjecture. And then this classic cr4p journalism. "At planning appeals, the travellers claim just a handful of men of working age live at Dale Farm, and most occupants no longer travel due to poor health, poverty and lack of transport. Yet in a submission to the UN, Mr Puxon admitted hundreds of men live at Dale Farm. He said action was needed before "many hundreds of men", women and children were thrown on to the road." Lol, he said "many hundreds of men, women and children" and not 'many hundreds of men, many hundreds of women and many hundreds of children'. That bit of journalism is so bad is is beneath contempt and you are using this persons story as your evidence, lol. "Eight of the company directors, some of whom also deal in antiques and furniture, claimed Dale Farm was their home." So it is 8 and not 7 now is it? And then they go on to list their findings that only shows 2 from Dale Farm! This journo is all over the place, is he drunk or has he banged his head? "Other businessmen used addresses in areas where links to Dale Farm had already been established by previous Echo investigations." Let's hope it was a different journalist cause this one's awful. "Someone present this and the land reg documents of the properties in Ireland to the courts - do it Echo, make a name for yourself!" From what you've just presented they'd be laughed out of court at best and held in contempt at worst for wasting courts time.
"From what you've just presented they'd be laughed out of court at best and held in contempt at worst for wasting courts time"
.
Presumably after they have dealt with the last Traveller farce ?
.
Mr Sheridan, you are boring me old chap...
[quote][p][bold]ItscalledspinIcallit lying[/bold] wrote: "The Echo can reveal 23 road surfacing and building firms were set up by businessmen registered to traveller sites and addresses across Britain and Ireland. Seven are at Dale Farm, near Billericay." So far that is 7. "Our investigation has discovered the companies are run by the Irish travellers, known as the Sheridan clan, who developed Dale Farm, in Crays Hill." So far 7 from the same family. "Yet statements by travellers during public inquiries claim the majority of the 50 illegal plots house single mothers and pensioners, who survive on state handouts." Which sounds about right given one family of 7 are the only ones implicated. "Council leader Malcolm Buckley said: "The evidence clearly suggests many of the people should not qualify for benefits if they are running businesses and living and working abroad for a significant part of the year."I would hope the Benefits Agency will be investigating."" So why didn't he report his evidence? Seems a little strange considering wouldn't you say? "At the latest public inquiry last month, David McPherson-Davis, Ramsden Crays Parish Council chairman, produced evidence two of the families had French businesses linked to their addresses, as revealed in the Echo. They were run by men not listed as living on site, in appeal paperwork given to Basildon Council and the Planning Inspectorate." Ever wondered why HSBC uses a PO Box in some foreign country? Businesses up and down the country do not use the Directors home address as the business address. "How was site financed? OUR revelations have fuelled mounting suspicion Dale Farm was developed by wealthy businessmen. Crays Hill residents believe unknown developers financed the site. Villagers believe they use the traveller status of elderly and less able relatives to win planning permission, increasing the value of the green belt land." And now we see the true style of poor journos working on local rags trying to make a name for themselves. Insinuation, suspicion 'local residents think', blah blah blah. And then paragraph after paragraph of supposition and more insinuation. Classic Daily Mail type heavily loaded conjecture. And then this classic cr4p journalism. "At planning appeals, the travellers claim just a handful of men of working age live at Dale Farm, and most occupants no longer travel due to poor health, poverty and lack of transport. Yet in a submission to the UN, Mr Puxon admitted hundreds of men live at Dale Farm. He said action was needed before "many hundreds of men", women and children were thrown on to the road." Lol, he said "many hundreds of men, women and children" and not 'many hundreds of men, many hundreds of women and many hundreds of children'. That bit of journalism is so bad is is beneath contempt and you are using this persons story as your evidence, lol. "Eight of the company directors, some of whom also deal in antiques and furniture, claimed Dale Farm was their home." So it is 8 and not 7 now is it? And then they go on to list their findings that only shows 2 from Dale Farm! This journo is all over the place, is he drunk or has he banged his head? "Other businessmen used addresses in areas where links to Dale Farm had already been established by previous Echo investigations." Let's hope it was a different journalist cause this one's awful. "Someone present this and the land reg documents of the properties in Ireland to the courts - do it Echo, make a name for yourself!" From what you've just presented they'd be laughed out of court at best and held in contempt at worst for wasting courts time.[/p][/quote]"From what you've just presented they'd be laughed out of court at best and held in contempt at worst for wasting courts time" . Presumably after they have dealt with the last Traveller farce ? . Mr Sheridan, you are boring me old chap... richomack360

1:32pm Mon 3 Oct 11

Essex Gurrll says...

ajhall wrote:
Why is it that when you see any pictures of occupants of the site you only see woman and children. where are the men or do the have something
to hide.
Because the men are at work, either employed or they have their own businesses. If it became known they were Travellers they would lose their jobs because of the blatant discrimination against them. I know of at least one Traveller who is working for a reputable local IT company and has done so for years. Some of the Traveller women work as receptionists and nurses. Be careful, you may be working with or living next to somebody you know who is a Traveller or Gypsy - only 25% live in trailers!
[quote][p][bold]ajhall[/bold] wrote: Why is it that when you see any pictures of occupants of the site you only see woman and children. where are the men or do the have something to hide.[/p][/quote]Because the men are at work, either employed or they have their own businesses. If it became known they were Travellers they would lose their jobs because of the blatant discrimination against them. I know of at least one Traveller who is working for a reputable local IT company and has done so for years. Some of the Traveller women work as receptionists and nurses. Be careful, you may be working with or living next to somebody you know who is a Traveller or Gypsy - only 25% live in trailers! Essex Gurrll

2:53pm Mon 3 Oct 11

richomack360 says...

Essex Gurrll wrote:
ajhall wrote: Why is it that when you see any pictures of occupants of the site you only see woman and children. where are the men or do the have something to hide.
Because the men are at work, either employed or they have their own businesses. If it became known they were Travellers they would lose their jobs because of the blatant discrimination against them. I know of at least one Traveller who is working for a reputable local IT company and has done so for years. Some of the Traveller women work as receptionists and nurses. Be careful, you may be working with or living next to somebody you know who is a Traveller or Gypsy - only 25% live in trailers!
Or working abroad, yet the families they are associated with still claiming tax benefits.
[quote][p][bold]Essex Gurrll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ajhall[/bold] wrote: Why is it that when you see any pictures of occupants of the site you only see woman and children. where are the men or do the have something to hide.[/p][/quote]Because the men are at work, either employed or they have their own businesses. If it became known they were Travellers they would lose their jobs because of the blatant discrimination against them. I know of at least one Traveller who is working for a reputable local IT company and has done so for years. Some of the Traveller women work as receptionists and nurses. Be careful, you may be working with or living next to somebody you know who is a Traveller or Gypsy - only 25% live in trailers![/p][/quote]Or working abroad, yet the families they are associated with still claiming tax benefits. richomack360

10:24pm Mon 3 Oct 11

ItscalledspinIcallitlying says...

richomack360 wrote:
Essex Gurrll wrote:
ajhall wrote: Why is it that when you see any pictures of occupants of the site you only see woman and children. where are the men or do the have something to hide.
Because the men are at work, either employed or they have their own businesses. If it became known they were Travellers they would lose their jobs because of the blatant discrimination against them. I know of at least one Traveller who is working for a reputable local IT company and has done so for years. Some of the Traveller women work as receptionists and nurses. Be careful, you may be working with or living next to somebody you know who is a Traveller or Gypsy - only 25% live in trailers!
Or working abroad, yet the families they are associated with still claiming tax benefits.
That's a serious allegation, have you reported it along with your evidence to the police?
[quote][p][bold]richomack360[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Essex Gurrll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ajhall[/bold] wrote: Why is it that when you see any pictures of occupants of the site you only see woman and children. where are the men or do the have something to hide.[/p][/quote]Because the men are at work, either employed or they have their own businesses. If it became known they were Travellers they would lose their jobs because of the blatant discrimination against them. I know of at least one Traveller who is working for a reputable local IT company and has done so for years. Some of the Traveller women work as receptionists and nurses. Be careful, you may be working with or living next to somebody you know who is a Traveller or Gypsy - only 25% live in trailers![/p][/quote]Or working abroad, yet the families they are associated with still claiming tax benefits.[/p][/quote]That's a serious allegation, have you reported it along with your evidence to the police? ItscalledspinIcallitlying

8:41am Tue 4 Oct 11

richomack360 says...

ItscalledspinIcallit
lying
wrote:
richomack360 wrote:
Essex Gurrll wrote:
ajhall wrote: Why is it that when you see any pictures of occupants of the site you only see woman and children. where are the men or do the have something to hide.
Because the men are at work, either employed or they have their own businesses. If it became known they were Travellers they would lose their jobs because of the blatant discrimination against them. I know of at least one Traveller who is working for a reputable local IT company and has done so for years. Some of the Traveller women work as receptionists and nurses. Be careful, you may be working with or living next to somebody you know who is a Traveller or Gypsy - only 25% live in trailers!
Or working abroad, yet the families they are associated with still claiming tax benefits.
That's a serious allegation, have you reported it along with your evidence to the police?
Yes, as soon as they have solved all the murders, rapes, muggings, robberies, burglaries and stopping speeders I will do so, that's if it hasn't already been passed on by Jon Austin who is the author of the article which I have cited
.
Thanks for the tip Pro, bit of a predictable response, but thanks.
[quote][p][bold]ItscalledspinIcallit lying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]richomack360[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Essex Gurrll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ajhall[/bold] wrote: Why is it that when you see any pictures of occupants of the site you only see woman and children. where are the men or do the have something to hide.[/p][/quote]Because the men are at work, either employed or they have their own businesses. If it became known they were Travellers they would lose their jobs because of the blatant discrimination against them. I know of at least one Traveller who is working for a reputable local IT company and has done so for years. Some of the Traveller women work as receptionists and nurses. Be careful, you may be working with or living next to somebody you know who is a Traveller or Gypsy - only 25% live in trailers![/p][/quote]Or working abroad, yet the families they are associated with still claiming tax benefits.[/p][/quote]That's a serious allegation, have you reported it along with your evidence to the police?[/p][/quote]Yes, as soon as they have solved all the murders, rapes, muggings, robberies, burglaries and stopping speeders I will do so, that's if it hasn't already been passed on by Jon Austin who is the author of the article which I have cited . Thanks for the tip Pro, bit of a predictable response, but thanks. richomack360

8:26pm Tue 4 Oct 11

ItscalledspinIcallitlying says...

richomack360 wrote:
ItscalledspinIcallit

lying
wrote:
richomack360 wrote:
Essex Gurrll wrote:
ajhall wrote: Why is it that when you see any pictures of occupants of the site you only see woman and children. where are the men or do the have something to hide.
Because the men are at work, either employed or they have their own businesses. If it became known they were Travellers they would lose their jobs because of the blatant discrimination against them. I know of at least one Traveller who is working for a reputable local IT company and has done so for years. Some of the Traveller women work as receptionists and nurses. Be careful, you may be working with or living next to somebody you know who is a Traveller or Gypsy - only 25% live in trailers!
Or working abroad, yet the families they are associated with still claiming tax benefits.
That's a serious allegation, have you reported it along with your evidence to the police?
Yes, as soon as they have solved all the murders, rapes, muggings, robberies, burglaries and stopping speeders I will do so, that's if it hasn't already been passed on by Jon Austin who is the author of the article which I have cited
.
Thanks for the tip Pro, bit of a predictable response, but thanks.
Aren't you an accessory if you withhold information about such crimes regardless of your thoughtfully constructed excuse which was also quite predictable?
[quote][p][bold]richomack360[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ItscalledspinIcallit lying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]richomack360[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Essex Gurrll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ajhall[/bold] wrote: Why is it that when you see any pictures of occupants of the site you only see woman and children. where are the men or do the have something to hide.[/p][/quote]Because the men are at work, either employed or they have their own businesses. If it became known they were Travellers they would lose their jobs because of the blatant discrimination against them. I know of at least one Traveller who is working for a reputable local IT company and has done so for years. Some of the Traveller women work as receptionists and nurses. Be careful, you may be working with or living next to somebody you know who is a Traveller or Gypsy - only 25% live in trailers![/p][/quote]Or working abroad, yet the families they are associated with still claiming tax benefits.[/p][/quote]That's a serious allegation, have you reported it along with your evidence to the police?[/p][/quote]Yes, as soon as they have solved all the murders, rapes, muggings, robberies, burglaries and stopping speeders I will do so, that's if it hasn't already been passed on by Jon Austin who is the author of the article which I have cited . Thanks for the tip Pro, bit of a predictable response, but thanks.[/p][/quote]Aren't you an accessory if you withhold information about such crimes regardless of your thoughtfully constructed excuse which was also quite predictable? ItscalledspinIcallitlying

11:01pm Tue 4 Oct 11

wickham says...

ItscalledspinIcallit
lying says...
10:54pm Sun 2 Oct 11
Missing the MSN boards wickham?”



I can honestly say No to your question,unlike some when MSN was up and running, plus this forum I had/have a life, tonight I am stuck here at work bored silly lol.
ItscalledspinIcallit lying says... 10:54pm Sun 2 Oct 11 Missing the MSN boards wickham?” I can honestly say No to your question,unlike some when MSN was up and running, plus this forum I had/have a life, tonight I am stuck here at work bored silly lol. wickham

2:40am Thu 6 Oct 11

Kevin_Neil says...

Have not commented for a few days but have continued to watch listen and read. Surprising to see that whilst a number of decent people have brought some integrity to these comments, far too many seem to have missed what has happened here. I believe my original description of this as 'ethnic cleansing' holds good. When I first raised this many came out denying race came into it, but at the same time the anti-traveller lobby continued to make issue with the Irish origin of many travellers. For the avoidance of doubt there is also (English) case law that defines 'Irish Travellers' as a distinct racial group.

A number of posts have suggested that Basildon has already provided "enough" places for travellers. They miss the point that Basildon also has tens of thousands of houses - but still builds more. Sorry but the majority of those who shout the loudest supporting the evictions are putting forward racist ideas. We now face an outcome where it seems some pitches might have to go and others not. Now bearing in mind that Eric Pickles is liberalising planning law on the basis of a "presumption in favour" of granting. How do you seriously expect a future application from the landowners (yes that's the travellers) to be turned down - given that the whole site will be occupied by travellers to a greater or lesser degree. Meanwhile Basildon's incompetent Tories bluster on as though nothing has happened. Having served on the council on the opposite benches to the likes of Buckley and others this hardly surprises me, but Basildon deserves better. Job cuts, service cuts, planned evictions that the courts now take issue with, and millions wasted on driving people out of their homes not because the homes are wrong, but because they don't like the people concerned.

For the record what the people of Basildon need to know is that your council have succeeded in wasting your money, destroying your services and at the same time destroying your reputation. A district that was once seen as forward looking and inclusive is now seen across the country as a place to avoid. This is a sad betrayal of a once proud area.
Have not commented for a few days but have continued to watch listen and read. Surprising to see that whilst a number of decent people have brought some integrity to these comments, far too many seem to have missed what has happened here. I believe my original description of this as 'ethnic cleansing' holds good. When I first raised this many came out denying race came into it, but at the same time the anti-traveller lobby continued to make issue with the Irish origin of many travellers. For the avoidance of doubt there is also (English) case law that defines 'Irish Travellers' as a distinct racial group. A number of posts have suggested that Basildon has already provided "enough" places for travellers. They miss the point that Basildon also has tens of thousands of houses - but still builds more. Sorry but the majority of those who shout the loudest supporting the evictions are putting forward racist ideas. We now face an outcome where it seems some pitches might have to go and others not. Now bearing in mind that Eric Pickles is liberalising planning law on the basis of a "presumption in favour" of granting. How do you seriously expect a future application from the landowners (yes that's the travellers) to be turned down - given that the whole site will be occupied by travellers to a greater or lesser degree. Meanwhile Basildon's incompetent Tories bluster on as though nothing has happened. Having served on the council on the opposite benches to the likes of Buckley and others this hardly surprises me, but Basildon deserves better. Job cuts, service cuts, planned evictions that the courts now take issue with, and millions wasted on driving people out of their homes not because the homes are wrong, but because they don't like the people concerned. For the record what the people of Basildon need to know is that your council have succeeded in wasting your money, destroying your services and at the same time destroying your reputation. A district that was once seen as forward looking and inclusive is now seen across the country as a place to avoid. This is a sad betrayal of a once proud area. Kevin_Neil

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