Angry mum slams dead baby jokes on Facebook

6:00am Sunday 5th August 2012 in Local News By Chloe Chapman

A DISTRESSED mum has launched a campaign to get an offensive Facebook group closed down. Stacey Butler, 23, of Silverdale Avenue, Westcliff , was horrified when she stumbled across Dead Baby Jokes. The group, which encourages members to post offensive jokes with no boundaries on bad taste, racism or religion, has more than 30,000 likes. Miss Butler, who has three and two- year-old sons, said: “It kept coming up on my Facebook feed because so many people were clicking on it. “Most people are just going on it to have a look, like I did, but because of that, it seems like it’s a really popular group. Everyone I’ve spoken to is disgusted by it.” On the description page, its unknown founders explain: “Dead Baby Jokes contains highly-offensive humour and should not be viewed by individuals who are easily offended by tasteless humour. “We here at Dead Baby Jokes take the safety of your children to heart, and do not, in any way, condone the killing of babies, or any other manner in which harm could come to a child.” As well as a stream of abortion and miscarriage jokes, the Facebook page has also been inundated with comments from angry posters. Miss Butler is calling for other parents across south Essex to follow in her footsteps by reporting offensive material to Facebook administrators. She said: “Loads of my friends and I have reported it, but nothing has been done. We just need to get the message out there about how horrible this group is. “The things that have been posted are so vile. It is really upsetting for mums and dads, especially those who have lost their children.” In a statement, Facebook said: “We take our Statement of Rights and Responsibilities very seriously and react quickly to remove reported content that violates our policies. “In general, groups devoted to jokes, even disgusting and distasteful ones, do not violate our policies. Where these groups make real threats or statements of hate, however, we will remove them.”

Comments (130)

7:23am Sun 5 Aug 12

John the resonator says...

And Facebook is unlikely to take the page down because it is a morally bankrupt organisation only interested in gathering and selling on people's data.

And yet the policy toward individuals is different and quite mild pictures of, say a breast or bum exposed on a holiday beach will be deleted if someone complains about it.

There is/was also a page devoted to rape jokes with many complaints but these were outweighed by enthusiastic contributors adding the latest 'joke.'
And Facebook is unlikely to take the page down because it is a morally bankrupt organisation only interested in gathering and selling on people's data. And yet the policy toward individuals is different and quite mild pictures of, say a breast or bum exposed on a holiday beach will be deleted if someone complains about it. There is/was also a page devoted to rape jokes with many complaints but these were outweighed by enthusiastic contributors adding the latest 'joke.' John the resonator

7:46am Sun 5 Aug 12

Saxonpride says...

So, because some prude finds it offensive, no one else should be able to see it?
What a Nazi. Don't dictate to me what I can and can't look at, we fought a whole war to stop buttoned down little fascists like you.
So, because some prude finds it offensive, no one else should be able to see it? What a Nazi. Don't dictate to me what I can and can't look at, we fought a whole war to stop buttoned down little fascists like you. Saxonpride

8:00am Sun 5 Aug 12

BIRLIS says...

I am always surprised by the number of adults who use Facebook, and often seem addicted to it and can't stop checking it every five minutes. I am then even more confused by those who become offended by it or go on to moan about it. Just don't use it if you don't like it. You can stop. It's not like it is air or water.... Grow up! My account was closed not long after openning it. I soon discovered I don't need to read about every time someone sneezes, or if they have a bad day at work.
I am always surprised by the number of adults who use Facebook, and often seem addicted to it and can't stop checking it every five minutes. I am then even more confused by those who become offended by it or go on to moan about it. Just don't use it if you don't like it. You can stop. It's not like it is air or water.... Grow up! My account was closed not long after openning it. I soon discovered I don't need to read about every time someone sneezes, or if they have a bad day at work. BIRLIS

8:17am Sun 5 Aug 12

al coniston says...

seriously . . . what did she expect to find ? Pictures of flowers and cute kittens ?

It's all in the title of the page, so if you are of a delicate nature, don't look any further - you brought your'distress' on yourself by having a look !!
seriously . . . what did she expect to find ? Pictures of flowers and cute kittens ? It's all in the title of the page, so if you are of a delicate nature, don't look any further - you brought your'distress' on yourself by having a look !! al coniston

8:52am Sun 5 Aug 12

Brunning999 says...

Unfortunately we will always have Sick and dangerous people in our society.

As an example Hindley and Brady plus many more.

That is why prisons are full of sick and dangerous people, who in my opinion should remain there forever.

There is a real need to recognise, and avoid these low life scum bags in every aspect of your life.

That is why some people should stop being so naive and stop trying to rehabilitate sickos.

Catch them and lock them away forever.
Unfortunately we will always have Sick and dangerous people in our society. As an example Hindley and Brady plus many more. That is why prisons are full of sick and dangerous people, who in my opinion should remain there forever. There is a real need to recognise, and avoid these low life scum bags in every aspect of your life. That is why some people should stop being so naive and stop trying to rehabilitate sickos. Catch them and lock them away forever. Brunning999

9:15am Sun 5 Aug 12

freedomofspeech1962 says...

What your report fails to mention is the total avalanche of obscenity-riddled death threats posted by those opposed to the page. Take a look. That's the true news story.
What your report fails to mention is the total avalanche of obscenity-riddled death threats posted by those opposed to the page. Take a look. That's the true news story. freedomofspeech1962

10:02am Sun 5 Aug 12

rich.carol says...

You can only read sick baby death jokes if you sign up for this group. It does not just appear on your facebook account. To read these sick jokes you must sign up to them and add them as friends to your account. I haven't seen any because I haven't clicked add as a friend. If you sign up to Sex, ****, Rape sites etc etc then you will receive a message saying thank you for your registration to join the group. Its like watching TV, if there is a programme on channel 5 about atrocities at Auschwitz and it upsets it or offends or distresses you then you don't click your remote on channel 5. Same principal with facebook. Sick baby jokes don't just appear unless you sign up and click yes please I want to add this group to my favourites. My ipad only receives what I sign up to. As I said I don't want these sick groups as friends, I don't click YES PLEASE sign me up to any groups I do not want.
You can only read sick baby death jokes if you sign up for this group. It does not just appear on your facebook account. To read these sick jokes you must sign up to them and add them as friends to your account. I haven't seen any because I haven't clicked add as a friend. If you sign up to Sex, ****, Rape sites etc etc then you will receive a message saying thank you for your registration to join the group. Its like watching TV, if there is a programme on channel 5 about atrocities at Auschwitz and it upsets it or offends or distresses you then you don't click your remote on channel 5. Same principal with facebook. Sick baby jokes don't just appear unless you sign up and click yes please I want to add this group to my favourites. My ipad only receives what I sign up to. As I said I don't want these sick groups as friends, I don't click YES PLEASE sign me up to any groups I do not want. rich.carol

10:45am Sun 5 Aug 12

John the resonator says...

Well OK Carol, that is right but the issue for me is not the sick individuals who like this stuff, there will always be plenty of those around in society, it is the morality of FB for being prepared to host such stuff.
Well OK Carol, that is right but the issue for me is not the sick individuals who like this stuff, there will always be plenty of those around in society, it is the morality of FB for being prepared to host such stuff. John the resonator

11:13am Sun 5 Aug 12

notinwestcliffanymore says...

Saxonpride wrote:
So, because some prude finds it offensive, no one else should be able to see it? What a Nazi. Don't dictate to me what I can and can't look at, we fought a whole war to stop buttoned down little fascists like you.
That would be the royal 'WE' or do you mean they fought a war.
[quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: So, because some prude finds it offensive, no one else should be able to see it? What a Nazi. Don't dictate to me what I can and can't look at, we fought a whole war to stop buttoned down little fascists like you.[/p][/quote]That would be the royal 'WE' or do you mean they fought a war. notinwestcliffanymore

11:13am Sun 5 Aug 12

rich.carol says...

Its the same as a TV advert, if you find an advert offensive or upsetting then you will write and complain to itv. If you and 6 other complain the itv will take no notice. But if hundreds or thousands complain then they will remove the add. Facebook i believe is the same. If this woman complained along with many hundreds more the sick joke group will be taken down. She wont win on her own. She must have signed in to join the group. There has been links on facebook KKK groups and BNP groups, There was one callede All UK Pakistanis say death to all the British army. With enough people complaining they did remove this group. BUT for this woman to have read the sick jokes, she had to agree to join the group as friends. Would you join a group saying sex offenders are decent human beings ?? No you would not and if you clicked add as facebook friends this group then you are agreeing to view and accept this group as a friend. No one forced her to click YES PLEASE !
Its the same as a TV advert, if you find an advert offensive or upsetting then you will write and complain to itv. If you and 6 other complain the itv will take no notice. But if hundreds or thousands complain then they will remove the add. Facebook i believe is the same. If this woman complained along with many hundreds more the sick joke group will be taken down. She wont win on her own. She must have signed in to join the group. There has been links on facebook KKK groups and BNP groups, There was one callede All UK Pakistanis say death to all the British army. With enough people complaining they did remove this group. BUT for this woman to have read the sick jokes, she had to agree to join the group as friends. Would you join a group saying sex offenders are decent human beings ?? No you would not and if you clicked add as facebook friends this group then you are agreeing to view and accept this group as a friend. No one forced her to click YES PLEASE ! rich.carol

11:18am Sun 5 Aug 12

The Cater Wood Creeper says...

in theory, these so-called social networking sites seem a good idea. They enable eople to keep in touch in with their relatived and friends but as usual the bad side of the behavior of many infantile and pathetic abusers ruin it.

Why anyone above the age of about 16 with any degree of intelligence would have the setting such that all and sundry can view and comment on their webspace (whatever it's called) is beyond me. It'stantamount to an invitation for all the nastiness that we hear about on a more regular basis these days.

Certain organisations that actively promote faecesbook and twatter don't help either.

It's become almost mandatory to have an account with all of these anti social network sites these days.

Buck the system and think or yourselves and if, like me, you can't be bothered with it, don't feel pressure frm your peers and anyone else to force you into participating.


If you don't want to read crap, don't sign up for it.....
in theory, these so-called social networking sites seem a good idea. They enable eople to keep in touch in with their relatived and friends but as usual the bad side of the behavior of many infantile and pathetic abusers ruin it. Why anyone above the age of about 16 with any degree of intelligence would have the setting such that all and sundry can view and comment on their webspace (whatever it's called) is beyond me. It'stantamount to an invitation for all the nastiness that we hear about on a more regular basis these days. Certain organisations that actively promote faecesbook and twatter don't help either. It's become almost mandatory to have an account with all of these anti social network sites these days. Buck the system and think or yourselves and if, like me, you can't be bothered with it, don't feel pressure frm your peers and anyone else to force you into participating. If you don't want to read crap, don't sign up for it..... The Cater Wood Creeper

11:35am Sun 5 Aug 12

rich.carol says...

The Cater Wood Creeper wrote:
in theory, these so-called social networking sites seem a good idea. They enable eople to keep in touch in with their relatived and friends but as usual the bad side of the behavior of many infantile and pathetic abusers ruin it.

Why anyone above the age of about 16 with any degree of intelligence would have the setting such that all and sundry can view and comment on their webspace (whatever it's called) is beyond me. It'stantamount to an invitation for all the nastiness that we hear about on a more regular basis these days.

Certain organisations that actively promote faecesbook and twatter don't help either.

It's become almost mandatory to have an account with all of these anti social network sites these days.

Buck the system and think or yourselves and if, like me, you can't be bothered with it, don't feel pressure frm your peers and anyone else to force you into participating.


If you don't want to read crap, don't sign up for it.....
Cater posted : If you don't want to read crap, don't sign up for it.....

What you say is 100% CORRECT ! No one is forced to sign up
[quote][p][bold]The Cater Wood Creeper[/bold] wrote: in theory, these so-called social networking sites seem a good idea. They enable eople to keep in touch in with their relatived and friends but as usual the bad side of the behavior of many infantile and pathetic abusers ruin it. Why anyone above the age of about 16 with any degree of intelligence would have the setting such that all and sundry can view and comment on their webspace (whatever it's called) is beyond me. It'stantamount to an invitation for all the nastiness that we hear about on a more regular basis these days. Certain organisations that actively promote faecesbook and twatter don't help either. It's become almost mandatory to have an account with all of these anti social network sites these days. Buck the system and think or yourselves and if, like me, you can't be bothered with it, don't feel pressure frm your peers and anyone else to force you into participating. If you don't want to read crap, don't sign up for it.....[/p][/quote]Cater posted : If you don't want to read crap, don't sign up for it..... What you say is 100% CORRECT ! No one is forced to sign up rich.carol

2:15pm Sun 5 Aug 12

freedomofspeech1962 says...

Here's one response that's just appeared:

Christina Martinovic

who ever thinks this is funny will burn for this! Take my word. whom ever posts nasty things about children or babies will loose one of their own! Mark my words .
_____

As I said, the hysterical overreaction to what are just stupid jokes is what SHOULD be the news story.
Here's one response that's just appeared: Christina Martinovic who ever thinks this is funny will burn for this! Take my word. whom ever posts nasty things about children or babies will loose one of their own! Mark my words . _____ As I said, the hysterical overreaction to what are just stupid jokes is what SHOULD be the news story. freedomofspeech1962

2:17pm Sun 5 Aug 12

freedomofspeech1962 says...

AND another one. They're coming in thick and fast:

Sarah Louise
I swear to fukin god this is the sickest thing iv seen u horrible nasty bastad u whoeever as set this page up needs **** shooting straight in the head!! I'm disgusted low life pieces of ****!
AND another one. They're coming in thick and fast: Sarah Louise I swear to fukin god this is the sickest thing iv seen u horrible nasty bastad u whoeever as set this page up needs **** shooting straight in the head!! I'm disgusted low life pieces of ****! freedomofspeech1962

3:16pm Sun 5 Aug 12

emcee says...

freedomofspeech1962 wrote:
What your report fails to mention is the total avalanche of obscenity-riddled death threats posted by those opposed to the page. Take a look. That's the true news story.
Come on. Since when has the Echo had substance in their reporting.
[quote][p][bold]freedomofspeech1962[/bold] wrote: What your report fails to mention is the total avalanche of obscenity-riddled death threats posted by those opposed to the page. Take a look. That's the true news story.[/p][/quote]Come on. Since when has the Echo had substance in their reporting. emcee

3:30pm Sun 5 Aug 12

freedomofspeech1962 says...

emcee wrote:
freedomofspeech1962 wrote:
What your report fails to mention is the total avalanche of obscenity-riddled death threats posted by those opposed to the page. Take a look. That's the true news story.
Come on. Since when has the Echo had substance in their reporting.
I suppose so.... Obviously they go for the easy angle. Upset mum etc...

A bit trickier - and less headline grabbing - when dealing with more weighty issues like defending freedom of speech.
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freedomofspeech1962[/bold] wrote: What your report fails to mention is the total avalanche of obscenity-riddled death threats posted by those opposed to the page. Take a look. That's the true news story.[/p][/quote]Come on. Since when has the Echo had substance in their reporting.[/p][/quote]I suppose so.... Obviously they go for the easy angle. Upset mum etc... A bit trickier - and less headline grabbing - when dealing with more weighty issues like defending freedom of speech. freedomofspeech1962

3:40pm Sun 5 Aug 12

SpaffSpiff84 says...

Like anti-facist protesters, some of the most violent, aggressive people around.
Like anti-facist protesters, some of the most violent, aggressive people around. SpaffSpiff84

3:55pm Sun 5 Aug 12

asbo uncut says...

facebook's share price has halved in 2 months since it's ipo. maybe there is justice in this world after all.
facebook's share price has halved in 2 months since it's ipo. maybe there is justice in this world after all. asbo uncut

4:59pm Sun 5 Aug 12

APR says...

If you don't like it, don't look.

What do you expect from Facebook ?

I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
If you don't like it, don't look. What do you expect from Facebook ? I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. APR

5:51pm Sun 5 Aug 12

Saxonpride says...

notinwestcliffanymor
e wrote:
Saxonpride wrote:
So, because some prude finds it offensive, no one else should be able to see it? What a Nazi. Don't dictate to me what I can and can't look at, we fought a whole war to stop buttoned down little fascists like you.
That would be the royal 'WE' or do you mean they fought a war.
What's your point?
[quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: So, because some prude finds it offensive, no one else should be able to see it? What a Nazi. Don't dictate to me what I can and can't look at, we fought a whole war to stop buttoned down little fascists like you.[/p][/quote]That would be the royal 'WE' or do you mean they fought a war.[/p][/quote]What's your point? Saxonpride

6:10pm Sun 5 Aug 12

EcoPatriot says...

Saxonpride sums it up perfectly.

I have never found these types of jokes funny but I defend the right for them to be told and read. If you don't like them, don't read them. You have NO right to tell others what they can or cannot read. Imagine if somebody said you HAD to read something...It's the same thing.
Saxonpride sums it up perfectly. I have never found these types of jokes funny but I defend the right for them to be told and read. If you don't like them, don't read them. You have NO right to tell others what they can or cannot read. Imagine if somebody said you HAD to read something...It's the same thing. EcoPatriot

7:32pm Sun 5 Aug 12

jax punx says...

Look at the picture of the baby with its face smashed in and eyes popping out thats fallen on it's face from a height or the one of a dead feutus with a top hat and cane and then come back and defend the page ...how many of the people who like the page are under 14 ? The photos are worse than the jokes
Look at the picture of the baby with its face smashed in and eyes popping out thats fallen on it's face from a height or the one of a dead feutus with a top hat and cane and then come back and defend the page ...how many of the people who like the page are under 14 ? The photos are worse than the jokes jax punx

7:59pm Sun 5 Aug 12

Kim Gandy says...

I too have reported this page,somebody sent it to me to report. Freedom of speech is a joke in this country; upset Muslims and all hell breaks loose but they can burn poppies and disturb remembrance services. We can't fly our flag in case it offends somebody and we have to edit "offensive" words out of nursery rhymes. Facebook is full of vile, poisonous people and I just reported a page that made some violent sexual threats against me. It is still there two weeks later. But say anything about a "minority" and you are suddenly public enemy no 1. This is freedom of speech gone too far. Should be banned.
I too have reported this page,somebody sent it to me to report. Freedom of speech is a joke in this country; upset Muslims and all hell breaks loose but they can burn poppies and disturb remembrance services. We can't fly our flag in case it offends somebody and we have to edit "offensive" words out of nursery rhymes. Facebook is full of vile, poisonous people and I just reported a page that made some violent sexual threats against me. It is still there two weeks later. But say anything about a "minority" and you are suddenly public enemy no 1. This is freedom of speech gone too far. Should be banned. Kim Gandy

8:04pm Sun 5 Aug 12

freedomofspeech1962 says...

jax punx wrote:
Look at the picture of the baby with its face smashed in and eyes popping out thats fallen on it's face from a height or the one of a dead feutus with a top hat and cane and then come back and defend the page ...how many of the people who like the page are under 14 ? The photos are worse than the jokes
The individuals posting these unacceptable photos should be the ones to answer for such actions not the whole page.

Do you condone the death threats that are being made? Some of the members of the page are teenagers themselves. Is it acceptable for a supposedly grown man to threaten 15 year old girl with rape and murder just because she posted a bad taste joke?
[quote][p][bold]jax punx[/bold] wrote: Look at the picture of the baby with its face smashed in and eyes popping out thats fallen on it's face from a height or the one of a dead feutus with a top hat and cane and then come back and defend the page ...how many of the people who like the page are under 14 ? The photos are worse than the jokes[/p][/quote]The individuals posting these unacceptable photos should be the ones to answer for such actions not the whole page. Do you condone the death threats that are being made? Some of the members of the page are teenagers themselves. Is it acceptable for a supposedly grown man to threaten 15 year old girl with rape and murder just because she posted a bad taste joke? freedomofspeech1962

8:04pm Sun 5 Aug 12

freedomofspeech1962 says...

jax punx wrote:
Look at the picture of the baby with its face smashed in and eyes popping out thats fallen on it's face from a height or the one of a dead feutus with a top hat and cane and then come back and defend the page ...how many of the people who like the page are under 14 ? The photos are worse than the jokes
The individuals posting these unacceptable photos should be the ones to answer for such actions not the whole page.

Do you condone the death threats that are being made? Some of the members of the page are teenagers themselves. Is it acceptable for a supposedly grown man to threaten 15 year old girl with rape and murder just because she posted a bad taste joke?
[quote][p][bold]jax punx[/bold] wrote: Look at the picture of the baby with its face smashed in and eyes popping out thats fallen on it's face from a height or the one of a dead feutus with a top hat and cane and then come back and defend the page ...how many of the people who like the page are under 14 ? The photos are worse than the jokes[/p][/quote]The individuals posting these unacceptable photos should be the ones to answer for such actions not the whole page. Do you condone the death threats that are being made? Some of the members of the page are teenagers themselves. Is it acceptable for a supposedly grown man to threaten 15 year old girl with rape and murder just because she posted a bad taste joke? freedomofspeech1962

8:27pm Sun 5 Aug 12

jax punx says...

I just think facebook should police itself better when so many young people can be exposed to these images on a page that isn't even private ..I dont condone violence of any kind.
I just think facebook should police itself better when so many young people can be exposed to these images on a page that isn't even private ..I dont condone violence of any kind. jax punx

8:55pm Sun 5 Aug 12

jax punx says...

I only looked at this page after my 15 year old son saw it and was traumatised by the photos, before anyone says you shouldn't look.
I only looked at this page after my 15 year old son saw it and was traumatised by the photos, before anyone says you shouldn't look. jax punx

9:09pm Sun 5 Aug 12

APR says...

So we should only look at "nice pretty" things ?

I don't use Facebook so haven't seen these jokes or photos, and have no intention of looking for them. Whether they are genuine or not.

If anyone else wants to, it's up to them.
So we should only look at "nice pretty" things ? I don't use Facebook so haven't seen these jokes or photos, and have no intention of looking for them. Whether they are genuine or not. If anyone else wants to, it's up to them. APR

9:34pm Sun 5 Aug 12

jax punx says...

Well I'm 50 and I've never seen such a DISTRESSING picture in my life.and I'm certainly not into looking at pretty things .I don't mind sikipedia ..but there are kids as young as 9 on Facebook lying about their age because parents think its relatively safe ....I'd defy anyone to look at that pic and NOT be upset ....if they aren't upset then maybe we don't need to look any further for the nazis
Well I'm 50 and I've never seen such a DISTRESSING picture in my life.and I'm certainly not into looking at pretty things .I don't mind sikipedia ..but there are kids as young as 9 on Facebook lying about their age because parents think its relatively safe ....I'd defy anyone to look at that pic and NOT be upset ....if they aren't upset then maybe we don't need to look any further for the nazis jax punx

9:34pm Sun 5 Aug 12

jax punx says...

Well I'm 50 and I've never seen such a DISTRESSING picture in my life.and I'm certainly not into looking at pretty things .I don't mind sikipedia ..but there are kids as young as 9 on Facebook lying about their age because parents think its relatively safe ....I'd defy anyone to look at that pic and NOT be upset ....if they aren't upset then maybe we don't need to look any further for the nazis
Well I'm 50 and I've never seen such a DISTRESSING picture in my life.and I'm certainly not into looking at pretty things .I don't mind sikipedia ..but there are kids as young as 9 on Facebook lying about their age because parents think its relatively safe ....I'd defy anyone to look at that pic and NOT be upset ....if they aren't upset then maybe we don't need to look any further for the nazis jax punx

9:34pm Sun 5 Aug 12

jax punx says...

Well I'm 50 and I've never seen such a DISTRESSING picture in my life.and I'm certainly not into looking at pretty things .I don't mind sikipedia ..but there are kids as young as 9 on Facebook lying about their age because parents think its relatively safe ....I'd defy anyone to look at that pic and NOT be upset ....if they aren't upset then maybe we don't need to look any further for the nazis
Well I'm 50 and I've never seen such a DISTRESSING picture in my life.and I'm certainly not into looking at pretty things .I don't mind sikipedia ..but there are kids as young as 9 on Facebook lying about their age because parents think its relatively safe ....I'd defy anyone to look at that pic and NOT be upset ....if they aren't upset then maybe we don't need to look any further for the nazis jax punx

9:34pm Sun 5 Aug 12

jax punx says...

Well I'm 50 and I've never seen such a DISTRESSING picture in my life.and I'm certainly not into looking at pretty things .I don't mind sikipedia ..but there are kids as young as 9 on Facebook lying about their age because parents think its relatively safe ....I'd defy anyone to look at that pic and NOT be upset ....if they aren't upset then maybe we don't need to look any further for the nazis
Well I'm 50 and I've never seen such a DISTRESSING picture in my life.and I'm certainly not into looking at pretty things .I don't mind sikipedia ..but there are kids as young as 9 on Facebook lying about their age because parents think its relatively safe ....I'd defy anyone to look at that pic and NOT be upset ....if they aren't upset then maybe we don't need to look any further for the nazis jax punx

9:34pm Sun 5 Aug 12

jax punx says...

Well I'm 50 and I've never seen such a DISTRESSING picture in my life.and I'm certainly not into looking at pretty things .I don't mind sikipedia ..but there are kids as young as 9 on Facebook lying about their age because parents think its relatively safe ....I'd defy anyone to look at that pic and NOT be upset ....if they aren't upset then maybe we don't need to look any further for the nazis
Well I'm 50 and I've never seen such a DISTRESSING picture in my life.and I'm certainly not into looking at pretty things .I don't mind sikipedia ..but there are kids as young as 9 on Facebook lying about their age because parents think its relatively safe ....I'd defy anyone to look at that pic and NOT be upset ....if they aren't upset then maybe we don't need to look any further for the nazis jax punx

9:45pm Sun 5 Aug 12

jax punx says...

rich.carol wrote:
Its the same as a TV advert, if you find an advert offensive or upsetting then you will write and complain to itv. If you and 6 other complain the itv will take no notice. But if hundreds or thousands complain then they will remove the add. Facebook i believe is the same. If this woman complained along with many hundreds more the sick joke group will be taken down. She wont win on her own. She must have signed in to join the group. There has been links on facebook KKK groups and BNP groups, There was one callede All UK Pakistanis say death to all the British army. With enough people complaining they did remove this group. BUT for this woman to have read the sick jokes, she had to agree to join the group as friends. Would you join a group saying sex offenders are decent human beings ?? No you would not and if you clicked add as facebook friends this group then you are agreeing to view and accept this group as a friend. No one forced her to click YES PLEASE !
you dont have to sign to view the page.
[quote][p][bold]rich.carol[/bold] wrote: Its the same as a TV advert, if you find an advert offensive or upsetting then you will write and complain to itv. If you and 6 other complain the itv will take no notice. But if hundreds or thousands complain then they will remove the add. Facebook i believe is the same. If this woman complained along with many hundreds more the sick joke group will be taken down. She wont win on her own. She must have signed in to join the group. There has been links on facebook KKK groups and BNP groups, There was one callede All UK Pakistanis say death to all the British army. With enough people complaining they did remove this group. BUT for this woman to have read the sick jokes, she had to agree to join the group as friends. Would you join a group saying sex offenders are decent human beings ?? No you would not and if you clicked add as facebook friends this group then you are agreeing to view and accept this group as a friend. No one forced her to click YES PLEASE ![/p][/quote]you dont have to sign to view the page. jax punx

9:49pm Sun 5 Aug 12

jax punx says...

rich.carol wrote:
You can only read sick baby death jokes if you sign up for this group. It does not just appear on your facebook account. To read these sick jokes you must sign up to them and add them as friends to your account. I haven't seen any because I haven't clicked add as a friend. If you sign up to Sex, ****, Rape sites etc etc then you will receive a message saying thank you for your registration to join the group. Its like watching TV, if there is a programme on channel 5 about atrocities at Auschwitz and it upsets it or offends or distresses you then you don't click your remote on channel 5. Same principal with facebook. Sick baby jokes don't just appear unless you sign up and click yes please I want to add this group to my favourites. My ipad only receives what I sign up to. As I said I don't want these sick groups as friends, I don't click YES PLEASE sign me up to any groups I do not want.
You don't have to 'like" or join the group to see it....its public
[quote][p][bold]rich.carol[/bold] wrote: You can only read sick baby death jokes if you sign up for this group. It does not just appear on your facebook account. To read these sick jokes you must sign up to them and add them as friends to your account. I haven't seen any because I haven't clicked add as a friend. If you sign up to Sex, ****, Rape sites etc etc then you will receive a message saying thank you for your registration to join the group. Its like watching TV, if there is a programme on channel 5 about atrocities at Auschwitz and it upsets it or offends or distresses you then you don't click your remote on channel 5. Same principal with facebook. Sick baby jokes don't just appear unless you sign up and click yes please I want to add this group to my favourites. My ipad only receives what I sign up to. As I said I don't want these sick groups as friends, I don't click YES PLEASE sign me up to any groups I do not want.[/p][/quote]You don't have to 'like" or join the group to see it....its public jax punx

9:57pm Sun 5 Aug 12

Saxonpride says...

jax punx wrote:
Well I'm 50 and I've never seen such a DISTRESSING picture in my life.and I'm certainly not into looking at pretty things .I don't mind sikipedia ..but there are kids as young as 9 on Facebook lying about their age because parents think its relatively safe ....I'd defy anyone to look at that pic and NOT be upset ....if they aren't upset then maybe we don't need to look any further for the nazis
Actually, I believe you'll find that the real fascists are the ones in favour of censorship. Oh, it's all in the name of 'good taste' though. It always is.
I'm sure it makes it easier for you to sleep at night as you help to curtail the freedoms of others, I'm sure being the moral guardian of us ignorant commoners really helps you rest easy.
[quote][p][bold]jax punx[/bold] wrote: Well I'm 50 and I've never seen such a DISTRESSING picture in my life.and I'm certainly not into looking at pretty things .I don't mind sikipedia ..but there are kids as young as 9 on Facebook lying about their age because parents think its relatively safe ....I'd defy anyone to look at that pic and NOT be upset ....if they aren't upset then maybe we don't need to look any further for the nazis[/p][/quote]Actually, I believe you'll find that the real fascists are the ones in favour of censorship. Oh, it's all in the name of 'good taste' though. It always is. I'm sure it makes it easier for you to sleep at night as you help to curtail the freedoms of others, I'm sure being the moral guardian of us ignorant commoners really helps you rest easy. Saxonpride

11:33pm Sun 5 Aug 12

benfleet101 says...

John the resonator wrote:
Well OK Carol, that is right but the issue for me is not the sick individuals who like this stuff, there will always be plenty of those around in society, it is the morality of FB for being prepared to host such stuff.
FB is just a platform. The number of offensive, twisted or totally bizarre page/group it hosts or people it offends, is far outweighed by the number of good causes it connects together, the speed with which it can promote an emergency and the freedom of speech it affords users.

Too many people condemn facebook without really knowing much about it, or taking the time to find out. . I suggest you find out a wee bit about it's background and the founder before making your judgement on morality.
On your account, you only see what you choose to see, and speak to who you choose to speak to and your content needs building and develops over time. You can’t judge it on a couple of weeks as you won’t have built anything tailored to you.

Yes, there are people who feel the need to announce every time they sneeze and I am sorry if that is what you may find your friends doing, mine tend to post thing of a slightly more intellectual or political nature.
It allows me to keep in touch with the daily lives of relatives abroad I would otherwise never see, and the older generation in our family have accounts and can do the same, it makes them feel connected.
Today I heard of the shooting in the Sikh Temple in America before it was broadcast on the BBC - where? On Facebook.
[quote][p][bold]John the resonator[/bold] wrote: Well OK Carol, that is right but the issue for me is not the sick individuals who like this stuff, there will always be plenty of those around in society, it is the morality of FB for being prepared to host such stuff.[/p][/quote]FB is just a platform. The number of offensive, twisted or totally bizarre page/group it hosts or people it offends, is far outweighed by the number of good causes it connects together, the speed with which it can promote an emergency and the freedom of speech it affords users. Too many people condemn facebook without really knowing much about it, or taking the time to find out. . I suggest you find out a wee bit about it's background and the founder before making your judgement on morality. On your account, you only see what you choose to see, and speak to who you choose to speak to and your content needs building and develops over time. You can’t judge it on a couple of weeks as you won’t have built anything tailored to you. Yes, there are people who feel the need to announce every time they sneeze and I am sorry if that is what you may find your friends doing, mine tend to post thing of a slightly more intellectual or political nature. It allows me to keep in touch with the daily lives of relatives abroad I would otherwise never see, and the older generation in our family have accounts and can do the same, it makes them feel connected. Today I heard of the shooting in the Sikh Temple in America before it was broadcast on the BBC - where? On Facebook. benfleet101

11:37pm Sun 5 Aug 12

John the resonator says...

Saxonpride wrote:
jax punx wrote:
Well I'm 50 and I've never seen such a DISTRESSING picture in my life.and I'm certainly not into looking at pretty things .I don't mind sikipedia ..but there are kids as young as 9 on Facebook lying about their age because parents think its relatively safe ....I'd defy anyone to look at that pic and NOT be upset ....if they aren't upset then maybe we don't need to look any further for the nazis
Actually, I believe you'll find that the real fascists are the ones in favour of censorship. Oh, it's all in the name of 'good taste' though. It always is.
I'm sure it makes it easier for you to sleep at night as you help to curtail the freedoms of others, I'm sure being the moral guardian of us ignorant commoners really helps you rest easy.
Well that is certainly vintage sarcasm directed against someone who has actually seen the page.

I don't see it so much as curtailing people's freedoms because the point has already been made that some of the participants are very young and therefore less likely to be able to make informed decisions about what the are reading and seeing and how they are responding. I would be in favour of protecting them even at the expense of curtailing someone's right to post vile images or jokes. It is a balance but the young and vulnerable win every time in my book.

Thanks jax punx for your posts, I have also on occasion fallen into the trap of multiple posting until I learned to ignore those error messages and wait back a mo.
[quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jax punx[/bold] wrote: Well I'm 50 and I've never seen such a DISTRESSING picture in my life.and I'm certainly not into looking at pretty things .I don't mind sikipedia ..but there are kids as young as 9 on Facebook lying about their age because parents think its relatively safe ....I'd defy anyone to look at that pic and NOT be upset ....if they aren't upset then maybe we don't need to look any further for the nazis[/p][/quote]Actually, I believe you'll find that the real fascists are the ones in favour of censorship. Oh, it's all in the name of 'good taste' though. It always is. I'm sure it makes it easier for you to sleep at night as you help to curtail the freedoms of others, I'm sure being the moral guardian of us ignorant commoners really helps you rest easy.[/p][/quote]Well that is certainly vintage sarcasm directed against someone who has actually seen the page. I don't see it so much as curtailing people's freedoms because the point has already been made that some of the participants are very young and therefore less likely to be able to make informed decisions about what the are reading and seeing and how they are responding. I would be in favour of protecting them even at the expense of curtailing someone's right to post vile images or jokes. It is a balance but the young and vulnerable win every time in my book. Thanks jax punx for your posts, I have also on occasion fallen into the trap of multiple posting until I learned to ignore those error messages and wait back a mo. John the resonator

12:59am Mon 6 Aug 12

E-Types. says...

John the resonator wrote:
Well OK Carol, that is right but the issue for me is not the sick individuals who like this stuff, there will always be plenty of those around in society, it is the morality of FB for being prepared to host such stuff.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the regular posters on here, who racially abuse anyone who wasn't born in their road, were members of this weird group!

FB hosts that rubbish the Echo hosts its own.
[quote][p][bold]John the resonator[/bold] wrote: Well OK Carol, that is right but the issue for me is not the sick individuals who like this stuff, there will always be plenty of those around in society, it is the morality of FB for being prepared to host such stuff.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't be surprised if some of the regular posters on here, who racially abuse anyone who wasn't born in their road, were members of this weird group! FB hosts that rubbish the Echo hosts its own. E-Types.

1:02am Mon 6 Aug 12

E-Types. says...

The Cater Wood Creeper wrote:
in theory, these so-called social networking sites seem a good idea. They enable eople to keep in touch in with their relatived and friends but as usual the bad side of the behavior of many infantile and pathetic abusers ruin it.

Why anyone above the age of about 16 with any degree of intelligence would have the setting such that all and sundry can view and comment on their webspace (whatever it's called) is beyond me. It'stantamount to an invitation for all the nastiness that we hear about on a more regular basis these days.

Certain organisations that actively promote faecesbook and twatter don't help either.

It's become almost mandatory to have an account with all of these anti social network sites these days.

Buck the system and think or yourselves and if, like me, you can't be bothered with it, don't feel pressure frm your peers and anyone else to force you into participating.


If you don't want to read crap, don't sign up for it.....
" as usual the bad side of the behavior of many infantile and pathetic abusers ruin it" Bit like you on here with your childish 'jokes'
[quote][p][bold]The Cater Wood Creeper[/bold] wrote: in theory, these so-called social networking sites seem a good idea. They enable eople to keep in touch in with their relatived and friends but as usual the bad side of the behavior of many infantile and pathetic abusers ruin it. Why anyone above the age of about 16 with any degree of intelligence would have the setting such that all and sundry can view and comment on their webspace (whatever it's called) is beyond me. It'stantamount to an invitation for all the nastiness that we hear about on a more regular basis these days. Certain organisations that actively promote faecesbook and twatter don't help either. It's become almost mandatory to have an account with all of these anti social network sites these days. Buck the system and think or yourselves and if, like me, you can't be bothered with it, don't feel pressure frm your peers and anyone else to force you into participating. If you don't want to read crap, don't sign up for it.....[/p][/quote]" as usual the bad side of the behavior of many infantile and pathetic abusers ruin it" Bit like you on here with your childish 'jokes' E-Types.

1:44am Mon 6 Aug 12

E-Types. says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
I too have reported this page,somebody sent it to me to report. Freedom of speech is a joke in this country; upset Muslims and all hell breaks loose but they can burn poppies and disturb remembrance services. We can't fly our flag in case it offends somebody and we have to edit "offensive" words out of nursery rhymes. Facebook is full of vile, poisonous people and I just reported a page that made some violent sexual threats against me. It is still there two weeks later. But say anything about a "minority" and you are suddenly public enemy no 1. This is freedom of speech gone too far. Should be banned.
"This is freedom of speech gone too far"

You post is rather confusing! Are you stating that racial abuse should be considered 'freedom of speech' but vile 'jokes' about children shouldn't?

Both are abhorrent!
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I too have reported this page,somebody sent it to me to report. Freedom of speech is a joke in this country; upset Muslims and all hell breaks loose but they can burn poppies and disturb remembrance services. We can't fly our flag in case it offends somebody and we have to edit "offensive" words out of nursery rhymes. Facebook is full of vile, poisonous people and I just reported a page that made some violent sexual threats against me. It is still there two weeks later. But say anything about a "minority" and you are suddenly public enemy no 1. This is freedom of speech gone too far. Should be banned.[/p][/quote]"This is freedom of speech gone too far" You post is rather confusing! Are you stating that racial abuse should be considered 'freedom of speech' but vile 'jokes' about children shouldn't? Both are abhorrent! E-Types.

2:07am Mon 6 Aug 12

E-Types. says...

Saxonpride wrote:
jax punx wrote:
Well I'm 50 and I've never seen such a DISTRESSING picture in my life.and I'm certainly not into looking at pretty things .I don't mind sikipedia ..but there are kids as young as 9 on Facebook lying about their age because parents think its relatively safe ....I'd defy anyone to look at that pic and NOT be upset ....if they aren't upset then maybe we don't need to look any further for the nazis
Actually, I believe you'll find that the real fascists are the ones in favour of censorship. Oh, it's all in the name of 'good taste' though. It always is.
I'm sure it makes it easier for you to sleep at night as you help to curtail the freedoms of others, I'm sure being the moral guardian of us ignorant commoners really helps you rest easy.
It could be argued those who would curtail such things are fascist, but also those who would demand such things be allowed , under the guise of freedom of speech, are also fascist, especially when the freedom of speech allows racial targeting and abuse...both sides can be seen to have merit.

The dead baby issue might, as you say, come under 'good taste' or offensive to the public laws

Where as the freedom of speech and the racial issue is different in the main because of criminal law.

So how can freedom of speech be accommodated while safeguarding people rights not to offended or racially abused ?

It would seem the only way this could be dealt with is in a case by case measure and/or by society conscience!

Not that many years ago drink driving was considered a non-crime by most of society, but now in the main society sees it as unacceptable...the conscience of society has changed!

Of course everybody has the choice to offend and break the law and most know there may be consequences for such actions.

The laws or society's unofficial restrictions does not actually stop people breaking or ignoring these things. There would seem to be a self-restrictive pale and any going beyond that do so knowingly.

Should they have that choice? Well thats a different question!
[quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jax punx[/bold] wrote: Well I'm 50 and I've never seen such a DISTRESSING picture in my life.and I'm certainly not into looking at pretty things .I don't mind sikipedia ..but there are kids as young as 9 on Facebook lying about their age because parents think its relatively safe ....I'd defy anyone to look at that pic and NOT be upset ....if they aren't upset then maybe we don't need to look any further for the nazis[/p][/quote]Actually, I believe you'll find that the real fascists are the ones in favour of censorship. Oh, it's all in the name of 'good taste' though. It always is. I'm sure it makes it easier for you to sleep at night as you help to curtail the freedoms of others, I'm sure being the moral guardian of us ignorant commoners really helps you rest easy.[/p][/quote]It could be argued those who would curtail such things are fascist, but also those who would demand such things be allowed , under the guise of freedom of speech, are also fascist, especially when the freedom of speech allows racial targeting and abuse...both sides can be seen to have merit. The dead baby issue might, as you say, come under 'good taste' or offensive to the public laws Where as the freedom of speech and the racial issue is different in the main because of criminal law. So how can freedom of speech be accommodated while safeguarding people rights not to offended or racially abused ? It would seem the only way this could be dealt with is in a case by case measure and/or by society conscience! Not that many years ago drink driving was considered a non-crime by most of society, but now in the main society sees it as unacceptable...the conscience of society has changed! Of course everybody has the choice to offend and break the law and most know there may be consequences for such actions. The laws or society's unofficial restrictions does not actually stop people breaking or ignoring these things. There would seem to be a self-restrictive pale and any going beyond that do so knowingly. Should they have that choice? Well thats a different question! E-Types.

2:48am Mon 6 Aug 12

emcee says...

I have nothing but contempt for anybody who takes offence by anything they have to go out of their way to view and then complain about it.
The internet is full of offensive material, nutters and generally nasty people. However, this is only a representation of how the human race really is. Just because it is on the internet does not make it any worse, especially if there are many ways to avoid such content. For Stacey Butler, I have a radical suggestion on how this facebook page may stop causing offence to you and I believe it may just work.
IGNORE IT and DO NOT GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO VIEW IT. There, easy wasn't it?
Also, if you do not like Facebook policies I have another suggestion that may ease your anguish. CLOSE YOUR FACEBOOK ACCOUNT. See how easy life can be when you put your mind to it.
I have nothing but contempt for anybody who takes offence by anything they have to go out of their way to view and then complain about it. The internet is full of offensive material, nutters and generally nasty people. However, this is only a representation of how the human race really is. Just because it is on the internet does not make it any worse, especially if there are many ways to avoid such content. For Stacey Butler, I have a radical suggestion on how this facebook page may stop causing offence to you and I believe it may just work. IGNORE IT and DO NOT GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO VIEW IT. There, easy wasn't it? Also, if you do not like Facebook policies I have another suggestion that may ease your anguish. CLOSE YOUR FACEBOOK ACCOUNT. See how easy life can be when you put your mind to it. emcee

6:40am Mon 6 Aug 12

152 says...

Just wait and see what happens when she discovers Sickipedia! Also, she must have known what the group 'Dead Baby Jokes' contained before she looked at it.
Just wait and see what happens when she discovers Sickipedia! Also, she must have known what the group 'Dead Baby Jokes' contained before she looked at it. 152

8:27am Mon 6 Aug 12

rich.carol says...

This story is now a bit boring. Nothing on facebook is public unless you sign up public. The only things you can read are things what your friends put on face. If i put something myself on facebook no one on this echo site could read it. There is more to this story. She said its public and that's bullllshit. She says the jokes are still coming ! Thats bullllshit. Why hasn't she clicked the box REMOVE THIS LINK.. I tell you why, cos she is loving every minute of the attention cos with one simple click on the 2 words remove link and its GONE. If this is really happening and she can read the jokes then it was sent by one of her facebook friends. For FFFFUK sake will you click Remove post/link and job done finished over. You or one of your family clicked accept and this link/thread you received was sent from one of your friends and you accepted it. Go to timeline and see who sent it and what day and time it come and who accepted this joke site on your pc/laptop. You do not need to be Colombo to work it all out. Stop moaning Stop sulking Stop looking at the jokes and click DELETE............. Attention seeker thats what you are
This story is now a bit boring. Nothing on facebook is public unless you sign up public. The only things you can read are things what your friends put on face. If i put something myself on facebook no one on this echo site could read it. There is more to this story. She said its public and that's bullllshit. She says the jokes are still coming ! Thats bullllshit. Why hasn't she clicked the box REMOVE THIS LINK.. I tell you why, cos she is loving every minute of the attention cos with one simple click on the 2 words remove link and its GONE. If this is really happening and she can read the jokes then it was sent by one of her facebook friends. For FFFFUK sake will you click Remove post/link and job done finished over. You or one of your family clicked accept and this link/thread you received was sent from one of your friends and you accepted it. Go to timeline and see who sent it and what day and time it come and who accepted this joke site on your pc/laptop. You do not need to be Colombo to work it all out. Stop moaning Stop sulking Stop looking at the jokes and click DELETE............. Attention seeker thats what you are rich.carol

9:11am Mon 6 Aug 12

R85 says...

Well theres a disclaimer so anybody that’s reads on has nobody but themselves to blame if they’re too politically correct! Why the hell would a mum or Dad read that page – if they were disgusted they would have themselves to blame – they would know what the page is all about!!!?

In a free country you should be able to say what you want, if you don’t like it don’t read or listen!
Well theres a disclaimer so anybody that’s reads on has nobody but themselves to blame if they’re too politically correct! Why the hell would a mum or Dad read that page – if they were disgusted they would have themselves to blame – they would know what the page is all about!!!? In a free country you should be able to say what you want, if you don’t like it don’t read or listen! R85

9:35am Mon 6 Aug 12

andy:) says...

EcoPatriot wrote:
Saxonpride sums it up perfectly.

I have never found these types of jokes funny but I defend the right for them to be told and read. If you don't like them, don't read them. You have NO right to tell others what they can or cannot read. Imagine if somebody said you HAD to read something...It's the same thing.
I agree. You cant view this page by accident, you have to actively serach for it and then look, if you are likely to be offended why oh why are you spending your time searching for it ?

I use FB a lot and have never seen the page, been made aware of it or even knew of its exitsence..untill the Echo story.

If you dont like it, dont look !
[quote][p][bold]EcoPatriot[/bold] wrote: Saxonpride sums it up perfectly. I have never found these types of jokes funny but I defend the right for them to be told and read. If you don't like them, don't read them. You have NO right to tell others what they can or cannot read. Imagine if somebody said you HAD to read something...It's the same thing.[/p][/quote]I agree. You cant view this page by accident, you have to actively serach for it and then look, if you are likely to be offended why oh why are you spending your time searching for it ? I use FB a lot and have never seen the page, been made aware of it or even knew of its exitsence..untill the Echo story. If you dont like it, dont look ! andy:)

9:45am Mon 6 Aug 12

rich.carol says...

andy:) wrote:
EcoPatriot wrote:
Saxonpride sums it up perfectly.

I have never found these types of jokes funny but I defend the right for them to be told and read. If you don't like them, don't read them. You have NO right to tell others what they can or cannot read. Imagine if somebody said you HAD to read something...It's the same thing.
I agree. You cant view this page by accident, you have to actively serach for it and then look, if you are likely to be offended why oh why are you spending your time searching for it ?

I use FB a lot and have never seen the page, been made aware of it or even knew of its exitsence..untill the Echo story.

If you dont like it, dont look !
100 PERCENT CORRECT
[quote][p][bold]andy:)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EcoPatriot[/bold] wrote: Saxonpride sums it up perfectly. I have never found these types of jokes funny but I defend the right for them to be told and read. If you don't like them, don't read them. You have NO right to tell others what they can or cannot read. Imagine if somebody said you HAD to read something...It's the same thing.[/p][/quote]I agree. You cant view this page by accident, you have to actively serach for it and then look, if you are likely to be offended why oh why are you spending your time searching for it ? I use FB a lot and have never seen the page, been made aware of it or even knew of its exitsence..untill the Echo story. If you dont like it, dont look ![/p][/quote]100 PERCENT CORRECT rich.carol

10:04am Mon 6 Aug 12

R85 says...

Pretty viral I think, as this went through my FB newsfeed on Friday and I don’t know anybody from the Southend area! All I saw was a string of comments saying things like sick cnt and whats wrong with people. I didn’t see a single comment that condoned it! Still, there must be a lot though as the page exists with so many likes!
Pretty viral I think, as this went through my FB newsfeed on Friday and I don’t know anybody from the Southend area! All I saw was a string of comments saying things like sick cnt and whats wrong with people. I didn’t see a single comment that condoned it! Still, there must be a lot though as the page exists with so many likes! R85

10:04am Mon 6 Aug 12

meldrew84 says...

Last week a young lad was ARRESTED for making a joke about an athletes failur and his dead dad.... A friend of mine was removed from facebook for having a spoof naked picture of pat butcher on his profile.... People get traced and arrested over racist jokes.... And it's also been deemed unacceptable makes jokes regarding recent tragedies (like the batman massacre).... So why is it socially unacceptable for all of the above but ok for "dead baby jokes" and child abuse related jokes to carry on???
It's not the fact the page exists that bothers me, cos I don't have to look, what bothers me is the fact these sick individuals are being given some "right" to have this page which is intended to offend people, when other people are not allowed to do the same. So are we saying the offence caused from the subject of racism, naked old women, athletes dead dads and fabrice muamba is of higher importance than the offence to caused to grieving to parents?!? Where do we draw the line.... Can't make one rule for racists and another for someone who causes the same offence and misery by picking on a parents grief!
Lets face it, if the page was called "dead BLACK baby jokes" it would have been removed long ago.......
Last week a young lad was ARRESTED for making a joke about an athletes failur and his dead dad.... A friend of mine was removed from facebook for having a spoof naked picture of pat butcher on his profile.... People get traced and arrested over racist jokes.... And it's also been deemed unacceptable makes jokes regarding recent tragedies (like the batman massacre).... So why is it socially unacceptable for all of the above but ok for "dead baby jokes" and child abuse related jokes to carry on??? It's not the fact the page exists that bothers me, cos I don't have to look, what bothers me is the fact these sick individuals are being given some "right" to have this page which is intended to offend people, when other people are not allowed to do the same. So are we saying the offence caused from the subject of racism, naked old women, athletes dead dads and fabrice muamba is of higher importance than the offence to caused to grieving to parents?!? Where do we draw the line.... Can't make one rule for racists and another for someone who causes the same offence and misery by picking on a parents grief! Lets face it, if the page was called "dead BLACK baby jokes" it would have been removed long ago....... meldrew84

10:28am Mon 6 Aug 12

R85 says...

meldrew84 wrote:
Last week a young lad was ARRESTED for making a joke about an athletes failur and his dead dad.... A friend of mine was removed from facebook for having a spoof naked picture of pat butcher on his profile.... People get traced and arrested over racist jokes.... And it's also been deemed unacceptable makes jokes regarding recent tragedies (like the batman massacre).... So why is it socially unacceptable for all of the above but ok for "dead baby jokes" and child abuse related jokes to carry on??? It's not the fact the page exists that bothers me, cos I don't have to look, what bothers me is the fact these sick individuals are being given some "right" to have this page which is intended to offend people, when other people are not allowed to do the same. So are we saying the offence caused from the subject of racism, naked old women, athletes dead dads and fabrice muamba is of higher importance than the offence to caused to grieving to parents?!? Where do we draw the line.... Can't make one rule for racists and another for someone who causes the same offence and misery by picking on a parents grief! Lets face it, if the page was called "dead BLACK baby jokes" it would have been removed long ago.......
If it targets a specific and factual event or person/family then the jokes not freedom of speech!

As I understand it, as long as they’re not doing that then its OK. The jokes on pages like that do not target a grieving parent’s dead child; they make general, non-specific jokes about the general idea of it!
[quote][p][bold]meldrew84[/bold] wrote: Last week a young lad was ARRESTED for making a joke about an athletes failur and his dead dad.... A friend of mine was removed from facebook for having a spoof naked picture of pat butcher on his profile.... People get traced and arrested over racist jokes.... And it's also been deemed unacceptable makes jokes regarding recent tragedies (like the batman massacre).... So why is it socially unacceptable for all of the above but ok for "dead baby jokes" and child abuse related jokes to carry on??? It's not the fact the page exists that bothers me, cos I don't have to look, what bothers me is the fact these sick individuals are being given some "right" to have this page which is intended to offend people, when other people are not allowed to do the same. So are we saying the offence caused from the subject of racism, naked old women, athletes dead dads and fabrice muamba is of higher importance than the offence to caused to grieving to parents?!? Where do we draw the line.... Can't make one rule for racists and another for someone who causes the same offence and misery by picking on a parents grief! Lets face it, if the page was called "dead BLACK baby jokes" it would have been removed long ago.......[/p][/quote]If it targets a specific and factual event or person/family then the jokes not freedom of speech! As I understand it, as long as they’re not doing that then its OK. The jokes on pages like that do not target a grieving parent’s dead child; they make general, non-specific jokes about the general idea of it! R85

10:31am Mon 6 Aug 12

rich.carol says...

I don't care about these sites for dead baby jokes, or Pakistani or black racist jokes or KKK sites or Hitler sites etc etc etc, I don't use these sites or read the sites and wont sign on these sites. So why are people going on and on and on. If you don't want to read them, don't search for them and if you get a spoof email directing you to one, delete it. If people do want to go on these sites then that's up to them as it does not affect us that don't. What we are interested in is our choice and we sign up to our choice. If a person wants **** or racist sites then that's nothing to do with us, they choose their preferences. As Bernard Manning said "I'm not racist I just fukking hate everyone " Love him or hate him, we had a choice to watch him or switch channels
I don't care about these sites for dead baby jokes, or Pakistani or black racist jokes or KKK sites or Hitler sites etc etc etc, I don't use these sites or read the sites and wont sign on these sites. So why are people going on and on and on. If you don't want to read them, don't search for them and if you get a spoof email directing you to one, delete it. If people do want to go on these sites then that's up to them as it does not affect us that don't. What we are interested in is our choice and we sign up to our choice. If a person wants **** or racist sites then that's nothing to do with us, they choose their preferences. As Bernard Manning said "I'm not racist I just fukking hate everyone " Love him or hate him, we had a choice to watch him or switch channels rich.carol

11:05am Mon 6 Aug 12

R85 says...

rich.carol wrote:
I don't care about these sites for dead baby jokes, or Pakistani or black racist jokes or KKK sites or Hitler sites etc etc etc, I don't use these sites or read the sites and wont sign on these sites. So why are people going on and on and on. If you don't want to read them, don't search for them and if you get a spoof email directing you to one, delete it. If people do want to go on these sites then that's up to them as it does not affect us that don't. What we are interested in is our choice and we sign up to our choice. If a person wants **** or racist sites then that's nothing to do with us, they choose their preferences. As Bernard Manning said "I'm not racist I just fukking hate everyone " Love him or hate him, we had a choice to watch him or switch channels
Nothing more to it than the fact that this country is mostly a nation of complainers who have nothing else to do with their lives except complain – Here is a perfect example – people are going out of their way to find a problem they can protest against!
All you ever hear at my place of employment is complaining too – so fkin negative it drives me crazy! They’ve never heard of the phrase half-full!
Honestly it’s not like this in the states (from my experience). OK maybe it’s a litigation nation but for a reason – they don’t complain about every last, tiny, trivial, thing down to the nth degree like they do here (I’m saying USA, as I have spent a lot of time there and have spent a lot of time with the people). I’d assume other nations, apart from the USA, complain less than us too! The difference is glaring after immediately coming back from the states!
[quote][p][bold]rich.carol[/bold] wrote: I don't care about these sites for dead baby jokes, or Pakistani or black racist jokes or KKK sites or Hitler sites etc etc etc, I don't use these sites or read the sites and wont sign on these sites. So why are people going on and on and on. If you don't want to read them, don't search for them and if you get a spoof email directing you to one, delete it. If people do want to go on these sites then that's up to them as it does not affect us that don't. What we are interested in is our choice and we sign up to our choice. If a person wants **** or racist sites then that's nothing to do with us, they choose their preferences. As Bernard Manning said "I'm not racist I just fukking hate everyone " Love him or hate him, we had a choice to watch him or switch channels[/p][/quote]Nothing more to it than the fact that this country is mostly a nation of complainers who have nothing else to do with their lives except complain – Here is a perfect example – people are going out of their way to find a problem they can protest against! All you ever hear at my place of employment is complaining too – so fkin negative it drives me crazy! They’ve never heard of the phrase half-full! Honestly it’s not like this in the states (from my experience). OK maybe it’s a litigation nation but for a reason – they don’t complain about every last, tiny, trivial, thing down to the nth degree like they do here (I’m saying USA, as I have spent a lot of time there and have spent a lot of time with the people). I’d assume other nations, apart from the USA, complain less than us too! The difference is glaring after immediately coming back from the states! R85

11:21am Mon 6 Aug 12

meldrew84 says...

R85 wrote:
meldrew84 wrote:
Last week a young lad was ARRESTED for making a joke about an athletes failur and his dead dad.... A friend of mine was removed from facebook for having a spoof naked picture of pat butcher on his profile.... People get traced and arrested over racist jokes.... And it's also been deemed unacceptable makes jokes regarding recent tragedies (like the batman massacre).... So why is it socially unacceptable for all of the above but ok for "dead baby jokes" and child abuse related jokes to carry on??? It's not the fact the page exists that bothers me, cos I don't have to look, what bothers me is the fact these sick individuals are being given some "right" to have this page which is intended to offend people, when other people are not allowed to do the same. So are we saying the offence caused from the subject of racism, naked old women, athletes dead dads and fabrice muamba is of higher importance than the offence to caused to grieving to parents?!? Where do we draw the line.... Can't make one rule for racists and another for someone who causes the same offence and misery by picking on a parents grief! Lets face it, if the page was called "dead BLACK baby jokes" it would have been removed long ago.......
If it targets a specific and factual event or person/family then the jokes not freedom of speech!

As I understand it, as long as they’re not doing that then its OK. The jokes on pages like that do not target a grieving parent’s dead child; they make general, non-specific jokes about the general idea of it!
So would you agree a page dedicated to racist jokes that just generalise the idea of racism is acceptable?? Like I said, if that page was about dead baby jokes from a particular nationality it would have been removed long ago.....
And how can "freedom of speech" be confined by fact or person, if freedom is freedom then surely there is no limit on its scope, or it wouldn't really be freedom.
And most of the jokes are largely based on fact, it's fact that babies die and parents are left bereft, it was also fact when they posted numerous jokes about baby p and other victims of child abuse. So again, it should be no more acceptable to arrest people for a joke towards a single person than it is to arrest them for jokes about a general group of people and their grief.
[quote][p][bold]R85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meldrew84[/bold] wrote: Last week a young lad was ARRESTED for making a joke about an athletes failur and his dead dad.... A friend of mine was removed from facebook for having a spoof naked picture of pat butcher on his profile.... People get traced and arrested over racist jokes.... And it's also been deemed unacceptable makes jokes regarding recent tragedies (like the batman massacre).... So why is it socially unacceptable for all of the above but ok for "dead baby jokes" and child abuse related jokes to carry on??? It's not the fact the page exists that bothers me, cos I don't have to look, what bothers me is the fact these sick individuals are being given some "right" to have this page which is intended to offend people, when other people are not allowed to do the same. So are we saying the offence caused from the subject of racism, naked old women, athletes dead dads and fabrice muamba is of higher importance than the offence to caused to grieving to parents?!? Where do we draw the line.... Can't make one rule for racists and another for someone who causes the same offence and misery by picking on a parents grief! Lets face it, if the page was called "dead BLACK baby jokes" it would have been removed long ago.......[/p][/quote]If it targets a specific and factual event or person/family then the jokes not freedom of speech! As I understand it, as long as they’re not doing that then its OK. The jokes on pages like that do not target a grieving parent’s dead child; they make general, non-specific jokes about the general idea of it![/p][/quote]So would you agree a page dedicated to racist jokes that just generalise the idea of racism is acceptable?? Like I said, if that page was about dead baby jokes from a particular nationality it would have been removed long ago..... And how can "freedom of speech" be confined by fact or person, if freedom is freedom then surely there is no limit on its scope, or it wouldn't really be freedom. And most of the jokes are largely based on fact, it's fact that babies die and parents are left bereft, it was also fact when they posted numerous jokes about baby p and other victims of child abuse. So again, it should be no more acceptable to arrest people for a joke towards a single person than it is to arrest them for jokes about a general group of people and their grief. meldrew84

11:40am Mon 6 Aug 12

AndyBSG says...

John the resonator wrote:
Well OK Carol, that is right but the issue for me is not the sick individuals who like this stuff, there will always be plenty of those around in society, it is the morality of FB for being prepared to host such stuff.
So by that reasoning are you going to boycott the Cliffs Pavilion because they're letting Jimmy Carr perform there and he sometimes tells jokes about offensive things like dead babies?

What they are posting is not illegal and it's not unsolicited as you have to agree to join the group and the title explains exactly what it's about.

I find jokes about the Welsh's relationships with sheep offensive so should all references to that sort of thing be struck from the internet?

Political correctness gone mad in a world of bleeding heart liberals springs to mind.
[quote][p][bold]John the resonator[/bold] wrote: Well OK Carol, that is right but the issue for me is not the sick individuals who like this stuff, there will always be plenty of those around in society, it is the morality of FB for being prepared to host such stuff.[/p][/quote]So by that reasoning are you going to boycott the Cliffs Pavilion because they're letting Jimmy Carr perform there and he sometimes tells jokes about offensive things like dead babies? What they are posting is not illegal and it's not unsolicited as you have to agree to join the group and the title explains exactly what it's about. I find jokes about the Welsh's relationships with sheep offensive so should all references to that sort of thing be struck from the internet? Political correctness gone mad in a world of bleeding heart liberals springs to mind. AndyBSG

1:27pm Mon 6 Aug 12

John the resonator says...

AndyBSG wrote:
John the resonator wrote:
Well OK Carol, that is right but the issue for me is not the sick individuals who like this stuff, there will always be plenty of those around in society, it is the morality of FB for being prepared to host such stuff.
So by that reasoning are you going to boycott the Cliffs Pavilion because they're letting Jimmy Carr perform there and he sometimes tells jokes about offensive things like dead babies?

What they are posting is not illegal and it's not unsolicited as you have to agree to join the group and the title explains exactly what it's about.

I find jokes about the Welsh's relationships with sheep offensive so should all references to that sort of thing be struck from the internet?

Political correctness gone mad in a world of bleeding heart liberals springs to mind.
I made a later post about protecting the young from such material. The reality is many FB users are very young and there is little control of what they might access. It sounds like as well as the yukky material there has also been a lot of retaliatory comments, which have also got very nasty and threatening. Altogether an unsavoury mix, all hosted by those jolly nice people at FB.

I don't have a problem with adults accessing this stuff per se although I would find dead baby jokes personally offensive (and on that expectation would not have accessed the page if I had a FB account).

I have the vaguest knowledge of Jimmy Carr so I am the wrong person to ask. Now you have alerted me to what some of his material contains I can vote with my feet.
[quote][p][bold]AndyBSG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John the resonator[/bold] wrote: Well OK Carol, that is right but the issue for me is not the sick individuals who like this stuff, there will always be plenty of those around in society, it is the morality of FB for being prepared to host such stuff.[/p][/quote]So by that reasoning are you going to boycott the Cliffs Pavilion because they're letting Jimmy Carr perform there and he sometimes tells jokes about offensive things like dead babies? What they are posting is not illegal and it's not unsolicited as you have to agree to join the group and the title explains exactly what it's about. I find jokes about the Welsh's relationships with sheep offensive so should all references to that sort of thing be struck from the internet? Political correctness gone mad in a world of bleeding heart liberals springs to mind.[/p][/quote]I made a later post about protecting the young from such material. The reality is many FB users are very young and there is little control of what they might access. It sounds like as well as the yukky material there has also been a lot of retaliatory comments, which have also got very nasty and threatening. Altogether an unsavoury mix, all hosted by those jolly nice people at FB. I don't have a problem with adults accessing this stuff per se although I would find dead baby jokes personally offensive (and on that expectation would not have accessed the page if I had a FB account). I have the vaguest knowledge of Jimmy Carr so I am the wrong person to ask. Now you have alerted me to what some of his material contains I can vote with my feet. John the resonator

2:10pm Mon 6 Aug 12

EastStBoy says...

Moral of the story: Facebook hosts all sorts. People should learn to use it properly.

There's no reason at all why you cant click on the X on a certain news feed article and block it from ever appearing again.

Good luck trying to censor the internet for you if you cant be bothered to do it yourself.
Moral of the story: Facebook hosts all sorts. People should learn to use it properly. There's no reason at all why you cant click on the X on a certain news feed article and block it from ever appearing again. Good luck trying to censor the internet for you if you cant be bothered to do it yourself. EastStBoy

6:18pm Mon 6 Aug 12

rich.carol says...

I enjoy so many types of humour and comedians and jokes. I don't like at any jokes about disabled people, blind, dead kids, wife beating, rape, pedophiles, abortions etc,

I enjoy all religious jokes black jokes, Irish, Chinese, Jewish, Pakistani, Catholic, Christain, KKK, rednecks and nationality jokes. I am not a prude to jokes about sex with swear words as a swear word is just a word. I like fat jokes, thin jokes, ugly and ginger jokes, lesbian and homosexual jokes. I like Les Dawsons mother in law jokes and the list goes on. I like Roy chubby Brown, loved Bernard Manning, Dick Emery and life jokers are funny if you are sensible enough to take them as a JOKE and nothing racist. Jimmy Jones.. Alf Garnett tv till death, love thy neighbour, mind your language, little Britain, as these to me were funny shows and funny people. Some people think they were racist’s shows and comedians, but I see through them and see the funny side. I have the choice to watch them or not, my choice. If people want to view sick baby dead jokes then that’s their choice but not for me and I would not sign up to view them. We all have a choice on TV and we all have a remote control to turn over our 200 channel choices. We all have a choice with our computers where we click on to. Why did this woman sign up to receive dead baby jokes and why didn’t click NO THANK YOU ?
I enjoy so many types of humour and comedians and jokes. I don't like at any jokes about disabled people, blind, dead kids, wife beating, rape, pedophiles, abortions etc, I enjoy all religious jokes black jokes, Irish, Chinese, Jewish, Pakistani, Catholic, Christain, KKK, rednecks and nationality jokes. I am not a prude to jokes about sex with swear words as a swear word is just a word. I like fat jokes, thin jokes, ugly and ginger jokes, lesbian and homosexual jokes. I like Les Dawsons mother in law jokes and the list goes on. I like Roy chubby Brown, loved Bernard Manning, Dick Emery and life jokers are funny if you are sensible enough to take them as a JOKE and nothing racist. Jimmy Jones.. Alf Garnett tv till death, love thy neighbour, mind your language, little Britain, as these to me were funny shows and funny people. Some people think they were racist’s shows and comedians, but I see through them and see the funny side. I have the choice to watch them or not, my choice. If people want to view sick baby dead jokes then that’s their choice but not for me and I would not sign up to view them. We all have a choice on TV and we all have a remote control to turn over our 200 channel choices. We all have a choice with our computers where we click on to. Why did this woman sign up to receive dead baby jokes and why didn’t click NO THANK YOU ? rich.carol

7:23am Tue 7 Aug 12

Blind Haze says...

The morality of the jokes aside, what would you expect to see if you click a link that says 'dead baby jokes'? And then you have the audacity to complain to the paper that you're distressed and horrified by what you see!

Any Viz readers out there? If so, she reminds me of 'Meddlesome Ratbag'.
The morality of the jokes aside, what would you expect to see if you click a link that says 'dead baby jokes'? And then you have the audacity to complain to the paper that you're distressed and horrified by what you see! Any Viz readers out there? If so, she reminds me of 'Meddlesome Ratbag'. Blind Haze

8:48am Tue 7 Aug 12

PJR-121 says...

I don't like this subject, Dead baby Jokes, and I have personal reasons for this.

But one point everyone has missed (sorry if someone has already said this!) - how many people would know about it if this article had not been printed?

How many people have posted on FB, stating something along the lines of "there's a group called Dead Baby jokes, it's so sick, avoid it" - that goes to their hundreds of friends, and their friends comment their disgust, and their friends see it, comment, etc etc.

Then a woman runs to the papers, and it's a local story, which could even go national.

Now if everyone just ignored it - it'll die away quietly.

Did you know there are thousands of websites which glorify crime? People get together on community forums to brag about their latest wrecking sprees etc. Does anyone know any of them? No, the reason being no one has complained about them, run to papers, posted it on Facebook. Therefore, they have to be looked for, and many die away with no interest.

The problem is not just that this group exists, but that fuel is being added to its fire. This argument has already come up about several FB groups, and within a couple of weeks, it was all forgotten.
I don't like this subject, Dead baby Jokes, and I have personal reasons for this. But one point everyone has missed (sorry if someone has already said this!) - how many people would know about it if this article had not been printed? How many people have posted on FB, stating something along the lines of "there's a group called Dead Baby jokes, it's so sick, avoid it" - that goes to their hundreds of friends, and their friends comment their disgust, and their friends see it, comment, etc etc. Then a woman runs to the papers, and it's a local story, which could even go national. Now if everyone just ignored it - it'll die away quietly. Did you know there are thousands of websites which glorify crime? People get together on community forums to brag about their latest wrecking sprees etc. Does anyone know any of them? No, the reason being no one has complained about them, run to papers, posted it on Facebook. Therefore, they have to be looked for, and many die away with no interest. The problem is not just that this group exists, but that fuel is being added to its fire. This argument has already come up about several FB groups, and within a couple of weeks, it was all forgotten. PJR-121

9:14am Tue 7 Aug 12

MaddieBlue says...

What did she expect? The world is too sensitive these days, grow some balls I say. They aren't hurting anyone who can't avoid it, if you don't want to read it block the page from displaying in your newsfeed. Bloody prudes
What did she expect? The world is too sensitive these days, grow some balls I say. They aren't hurting anyone who can't avoid it, if you don't want to read it block the page from displaying in your newsfeed. Bloody prudes MaddieBlue

9:46am Tue 7 Aug 12

APR says...

The only draw back to ignoring something like this, is that you don't get your name in the Echo.
The only draw back to ignoring something like this, is that you don't get your name in the Echo. APR

10:23am Tue 7 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

I really wish people would put the same amount of effort in actually helping society. Yes the jokes are offensive, they are meant to be, it's not the first time offensive jokes have been told and it certainly won't be the last. Where do you draw the line? I know, let's ban wheelchair jokes, let's ban racist jokes, let's ban sexist jokes, hell let's ban Jimmy Carr and Frankie Boyle from appearing on TV, whilst we are at it, let's ban the internet. They are all offensive to some people right? Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing but it works both ways, you can't have freedom of speech but others not. This is not Nazi Germany. If you don't like it, don't read it. It really is that simple. Instead of putting all this effort in trying to ban page about jokes why not put effort in to doing something that will actually help society? Give the homeless guy some money so he can buy some food, donate money to a children's charity, volunteer at your local homeless shelter and give support to those who need it.
I really wish people would put the same amount of effort in actually helping society. Yes the jokes are offensive, they are meant to be, it's not the first time offensive jokes have been told and it certainly won't be the last. Where do you draw the line? I know, let's ban wheelchair jokes, let's ban racist jokes, let's ban sexist jokes, hell let's ban Jimmy Carr and Frankie Boyle from appearing on TV, whilst we are at it, let's ban the internet. They are all offensive to some people right? Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing but it works both ways, you can't have freedom of speech but others not. This is not Nazi Germany. If you don't like it, don't read it. It really is that simple. Instead of putting all this effort in trying to ban page about jokes why not put effort in to doing something that will actually help society? Give the homeless guy some money so he can buy some food, donate money to a children's charity, volunteer at your local homeless shelter and give support to those who need it. NeoMag

1:44pm Tue 7 Aug 12

tinyone says...

I came across this page on facebook only a couple of days ago... why? well because a person on my friends list had written on the page about how disgusting they are etc etc. this happened because the 'dead baby jokes' page is set to PUBLIC meaning that you DO NOT have to 'like', 'add as friend' or anything of the sort to see the content, so whenever a friend of yours posts on their page, it will either come up on your own news feed or within the 'ticker' box on the right hand side.

Now if my friend hadnt of done that, then I, along with the rest of their friends, wouldnt have seen this page and known of its existence. I personally didnt look at the page as saw the name an knew that it wasnt going to be pleasant - my choice. Once this happened a good few of my mutual friends with the original friend commented etc which meant all their friends are made aware of the page and so on and so on, so it is people who are so disgusted with the page basicially advertising it to everyone and their aunt.

Plus, the people, usually bored school kids having a 'laugh', get off on all the comments from people who disapprove. If you dont like it, just report the page, dont comment or discuss it on your own facebook as this is what they want! Like someone has said above, just ignore it and it will slowly die because it wont be getting the attention it craves!
I came across this page on facebook only a couple of days ago... why? well because a person on my friends list had written on the page about how disgusting they are etc etc. this happened because the 'dead baby jokes' page is set to PUBLIC meaning that you DO NOT have to 'like', 'add as friend' or anything of the sort to see the content, so whenever a friend of yours posts on their page, it will either come up on your own news feed or within the 'ticker' box on the right hand side. Now if my friend hadnt of done that, then I, along with the rest of their friends, wouldnt have seen this page and known of its existence. I personally didnt look at the page as saw the name an knew that it wasnt going to be pleasant - my choice. Once this happened a good few of my mutual friends with the original friend commented etc which meant all their friends are made aware of the page and so on and so on, so it is people who are so disgusted with the page basicially advertising it to everyone and their aunt. Plus, the people, usually bored school kids having a 'laugh', get off on all the comments from people who disapprove. If you dont like it, just report the page, dont comment or discuss it on your own facebook as this is what they want! Like someone has said above, just ignore it and it will slowly die because it wont be getting the attention it craves! tinyone

4:01pm Tue 7 Aug 12

TheGoodShipOutrage says...

I am simply outraged by the existence of this page. It inspired me to write an article all about my experience with the "Dead Baby Jokes" page. I hope you like it.

http://thegoodshipou
trage.com/2012/08/05
/dead-baby-jokes-a-l
esson-in-outrage/
I am simply outraged by the existence of this page. It inspired me to write an article all about my experience with the "Dead Baby Jokes" page. I hope you like it. http://thegoodshipou trage.com/2012/08/05 /dead-baby-jokes-a-l esson-in-outrage/ TheGoodShipOutrage

9:45pm Tue 7 Aug 12

blaireau says...

The real news story is 'Westcliff mother does what thousands of other people in the UK are doing at the moment'. I heard someone mention the other day that Westcliff is in the same country as London so surely there should be a 32 page pull out in tomorrows Echo about the Olympics.
The real news story is 'Westcliff mother does what thousands of other people in the UK are doing at the moment'. I heard someone mention the other day that Westcliff is in the same country as London so surely there should be a 32 page pull out in tomorrows Echo about the Olympics. blaireau

9:49pm Tue 7 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

TheGoodShipOutrage wrote:
I am simply outraged by the existence of this page. It inspired me to write an article all about my experience with the "Dead Baby Jokes" page. I hope you like it.

http://thegoodshipou

trage.com/2012/08/05

/dead-baby-jokes-a-l

esson-in-outrage/
Brilliant.
[quote][p][bold]TheGoodShipOutrage[/bold] wrote: I am simply outraged by the existence of this page. It inspired me to write an article all about my experience with the "Dead Baby Jokes" page. I hope you like it. http://thegoodshipou trage.com/2012/08/05 /dead-baby-jokes-a-l esson-in-outrage/[/p][/quote]Brilliant. NeoMag

11:11pm Tue 7 Aug 12

emcee says...

An Englishman, a Pik*y, a Muslim Fundamentalist and a dead baby walk into a pub....
Sorry wrong site.
An Englishman, a Pik*y, a Muslim Fundamentalist and a dead baby walk into a pub.... Sorry wrong site. emcee

11:17pm Tue 7 Aug 12

jackdt09 says...

Should a mum not have better things to do than complain about Facebook pages? Maybe get a part time job, or just look after your kids.

What is the difference between one of these jokes, which is what they are, and say someone like Jimmy Carr or Frankie Boyle making a joke about rape? If you are offended, don't tune in.

Most jokes are offensive to someone. I just watched Jack Whitehall on Michael Macintyre's Comedy Road Show mocking French people. I was sitting here laughing my head off. However, I bet it would be offensive to some French people. No different to any other offensive joke, just different topic.

Don't like, don't watch/read!
Should a mum not have better things to do than complain about Facebook pages? Maybe get a part time job, or just look after your kids. What is the difference between one of these jokes, which is what they are, and say someone like Jimmy Carr or Frankie Boyle making a joke about rape? If you are offended, don't tune in. Most jokes are offensive to someone. I just watched Jack Whitehall on Michael Macintyre's Comedy Road Show mocking French people. I was sitting here laughing my head off. However, I bet it would be offensive to some French people. No different to any other offensive joke, just different topic. Don't like, don't watch/read! jackdt09

11:35pm Tue 7 Aug 12

Louisexmorganx says...

rich.carol wrote:
You can only read sick baby death jokes if you sign up for this group. It does not just appear on your facebook account. To read these sick jokes you must sign up to them and add them as friends to your account. I haven't seen any because I haven't clicked add as a friend. If you sign up to Sex, ****, Rape sites etc etc then you will receive a message saying thank you for your registration to join the group. Its like watching TV, if there is a programme on channel 5 about atrocities at Auschwitz and it upsets it or offends or distresses you then you don't click your remote on channel 5. Same principal with facebook. Sick baby jokes don't just appear unless you sign up and click yes please I want to add this group to my favourites. My ipad only receives what I sign up to. As I said I don't want these sick groups as friends, I don't click YES PLEASE sign me up to any groups I do not want.
The page is actually not a group. It's an open, public 'like' page meaning that if any of your friends 'like' the page or comment on any of the open, displayed posts it will come up on your home page. You do not need to 'add as a friend' to see a pages content.
[quote][p][bold]rich.carol[/bold] wrote: You can only read sick baby death jokes if you sign up for this group. It does not just appear on your facebook account. To read these sick jokes you must sign up to them and add them as friends to your account. I haven't seen any because I haven't clicked add as a friend. If you sign up to Sex, ****, Rape sites etc etc then you will receive a message saying thank you for your registration to join the group. Its like watching TV, if there is a programme on channel 5 about atrocities at Auschwitz and it upsets it or offends or distresses you then you don't click your remote on channel 5. Same principal with facebook. Sick baby jokes don't just appear unless you sign up and click yes please I want to add this group to my favourites. My ipad only receives what I sign up to. As I said I don't want these sick groups as friends, I don't click YES PLEASE sign me up to any groups I do not want.[/p][/quote]The page is actually not a group. It's an open, public 'like' page meaning that if any of your friends 'like' the page or comment on any of the open, displayed posts it will come up on your home page. You do not need to 'add as a friend' to see a pages content. Louisexmorganx

11:41pm Tue 7 Aug 12

Louisexmorganx says...

Saxonpride wrote:
notinwestcliffanymor

e wrote:
Saxonpride wrote:
So, because some prude finds it offensive, no one else should be able to see it? What a Nazi. Don't dictate to me what I can and can't look at, we fought a whole war to stop buttoned down little fascists like you.
That would be the royal 'WE' or do you mean they fought a war.
What's your point?
I'm **** sure my great grand father never fought a war and watched his comrades die so you could use another parents grief for your own entertainment. Seriously, stop talking tosh. Oh and you may want to educate your self on the definition of a 'joke' *rolls eyes* I don't find any of this offensive - it's just plain juvenile!
[quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saxonpride[/bold] wrote: So, because some prude finds it offensive, no one else should be able to see it? What a Nazi. Don't dictate to me what I can and can't look at, we fought a whole war to stop buttoned down little fascists like you.[/p][/quote]That would be the royal 'WE' or do you mean they fought a war.[/p][/quote]What's your point?[/p][/quote]I'm **** sure my great grand father never fought a war and watched his comrades die so you could use another parents grief for your own entertainment. Seriously, stop talking tosh. Oh and you may want to educate your self on the definition of a 'joke' *rolls eyes* I don't find any of this offensive - it's just plain juvenile! Louisexmorganx

11:49pm Tue 7 Aug 12

Louisexmorganx says...

jackdt09 wrote:
Should a mum not have better things to do than complain about Facebook pages? Maybe get a part time job, or just look after your kids.

What is the difference between one of these jokes, which is what they are, and say someone like Jimmy Carr or Frankie Boyle making a joke about rape? If you are offended, don't tune in.

Most jokes are offensive to someone. I just watched Jack Whitehall on Michael Macintyre's Comedy Road Show mocking French people. I was sitting here laughing my head off. However, I bet it would be offensive to some French people. No different to any other offensive joke, just different topic.

Don't like, don't watch/read!
I'd say there is a huge difference between mocking ones culture and laughing at someone's grief. Trying to use that as a comparison is an epic fail - please refrain from typing, your post was silly!
[quote][p][bold]jackdt09[/bold] wrote: Should a mum not have better things to do than complain about Facebook pages? Maybe get a part time job, or just look after your kids. What is the difference between one of these jokes, which is what they are, and say someone like Jimmy Carr or Frankie Boyle making a joke about rape? If you are offended, don't tune in. Most jokes are offensive to someone. I just watched Jack Whitehall on Michael Macintyre's Comedy Road Show mocking French people. I was sitting here laughing my head off. However, I bet it would be offensive to some French people. No different to any other offensive joke, just different topic. Don't like, don't watch/read![/p][/quote]I'd say there is a huge difference between mocking ones culture and laughing at someone's grief. Trying to use that as a comparison is an epic fail - please refrain from typing, your post was silly! Louisexmorganx

11:50pm Tue 7 Aug 12

E-Types.. says...

emcee wrote:
An Englishman, a Pik*y, a Muslim Fundamentalist and a dead baby walk into a pub....
Sorry wrong site.
Retarded?
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: An Englishman, a Pik*y, a Muslim Fundamentalist and a dead baby walk into a pub.... Sorry wrong site.[/p][/quote]Retarded? E-Types..

11:57pm Tue 7 Aug 12

Louisexmorganx says...

emcee wrote:
An Englishman, a Pik*y, a Muslim Fundamentalist and a dead baby walk into a pub....
Sorry wrong site.
Were you deprived of attention as an infant? I'm available if you need to talk about it. Whsmiths also sell good books called 'humour for beginners' just saying!
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: An Englishman, a Pik*y, a Muslim Fundamentalist and a dead baby walk into a pub.... Sorry wrong site.[/p][/quote]Were you deprived of attention as an infant? I'm available if you need to talk about it. Whsmiths also sell good books called 'humour for beginners' just saying! Louisexmorganx

12:04am Wed 8 Aug 12

Cazzle says...

So most of you think this facebook page is acceptable ?- perhaps if you'd read the messages targeted at Gary Barlow today you might think differently . Personally attacking someone whose baby died less than 3 days ago is SICK! It's not Freedom of Speech it's 'Trolling!'- you don't have to 'like' the page to see the posts or receive news feeds either. The group changed its name earlier today and hundreds of people have joined the group today under false names to post graphic photo's !
So most of you think this facebook page is acceptable ?- perhaps if you'd read the messages targeted at Gary Barlow today you might think differently . Personally attacking someone whose baby died less than 3 days ago is SICK! It's not Freedom of Speech it's 'Trolling!'- you don't have to 'like' the page to see the posts or receive news feeds either. The group changed its name earlier today and hundreds of people have joined the group today under false names to post graphic photo's ! Cazzle

9:39am Wed 8 Aug 12

EastStBoy says...

So what if it's in bad taste? You cannot sensor the internet for such jokes etc, otherwise Facebook wouldn't allow such pages.

If your friends are "liking" this page, then perhaps you should review what you see from your Friend's Facebook feed? Even better, review who are actually your friends on Facebook?

Again, it comes down to your use of Facebook.

If you cannot use Facebook properly, dont use it.

Anyone who complains about being force fed seeing such news feeds are showing a surprising amount of ignorace.
So what if it's in bad taste? You cannot sensor the internet for such jokes etc, otherwise Facebook wouldn't allow such pages. If your friends are "liking" this page, then perhaps you should review what you see from your Friend's Facebook feed? Even better, review who are actually your friends on Facebook? Again, it comes down to your use of Facebook. If you cannot use Facebook properly, dont use it. Anyone who complains about being force fed seeing such news feeds are showing a surprising amount of ignorace. EastStBoy

9:39am Wed 8 Aug 12

EastStBoy says...

*ignorance
*ignorance EastStBoy

9:47am Wed 8 Aug 12

APR says...

Strange, until it was mentioned on here, I wasn't aware of this Facebook page.

How many others knew about it ?

It seems like this woman has done a great promotion for it.

I'm glad I don't do FB.
Strange, until it was mentioned on here, I wasn't aware of this Facebook page. How many others knew about it ? It seems like this woman has done a great promotion for it. I'm glad I don't do FB. APR

9:49am Wed 8 Aug 12

APR says...

How many Facebook users have now gone out of their way to look at it, just so they can say how shocked they are ?
How many Facebook users have now gone out of their way to look at it, just so they can say how shocked they are ? APR

10:16am Wed 8 Aug 12

PJR-121 says...

Cazzle wrote:
So most of you think this facebook page is acceptable ?- perhaps if you'd read the messages targeted at Gary Barlow today you might think differently . Personally attacking someone whose baby died less than 3 days ago is SICK! It's not Freedom of Speech it's 'Trolling!'- you don't have to 'like' the page to see the posts or receive news feeds either. The group changed its name earlier today and hundreds of people have joined the group today under false names to post graphic photo's !
Cazzle, I in no way condone this group at all, but can I ask how you first heard of it? And why have you looked at it to see people are posting in there, and people have joined it?

People should just leave it alone, all this attention it is getting is playing into the hands of it's creators. Ignore a group you don't like on Facebook, and no one else hears about it - like people have said, if your friends go into it for whatever reason, it comes up on your suggestions, on your feed. If they'd left alone, no matter how good their intentions, it would have died a death by now
[quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: So most of you think this facebook page is acceptable ?- perhaps if you'd read the messages targeted at Gary Barlow today you might think differently . Personally attacking someone whose baby died less than 3 days ago is SICK! It's not Freedom of Speech it's 'Trolling!'- you don't have to 'like' the page to see the posts or receive news feeds either. The group changed its name earlier today and hundreds of people have joined the group today under false names to post graphic photo's ![/p][/quote]Cazzle, I in no way condone this group at all, but can I ask how you first heard of it? And why have you looked at it to see people are posting in there, and people have joined it? People should just leave it alone, all this attention it is getting is playing into the hands of it's creators. Ignore a group you don't like on Facebook, and no one else hears about it - like people have said, if your friends go into it for whatever reason, it comes up on your suggestions, on your feed. If they'd left alone, no matter how good their intentions, it would have died a death by now PJR-121

10:40am Wed 8 Aug 12

PJR-121 says...

APR wrote:
How many Facebook users have now gone out of their way to look at it, just so they can say how shocked they are ?
I didn't know about it until I read about it on here, and I'm sticking by my own advice and ignoring it. I do wonder though how many people have now searched for it after reading about it.
[quote][p][bold]APR[/bold] wrote: How many Facebook users have now gone out of their way to look at it, just so they can say how shocked they are ?[/p][/quote]I didn't know about it until I read about it on here, and I'm sticking by my own advice and ignoring it. I do wonder though how many people have now searched for it after reading about it. PJR-121

11:12am Wed 8 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

Cazzle wrote:
So most of you think this facebook page is acceptable ?- perhaps if you'd read the messages targeted at Gary Barlow today you might think differently . Personally attacking someone whose baby died less than 3 days ago is SICK! It's not Freedom of Speech it's 'Trolling!'- you don't have to 'like' the page to see the posts or receive news feeds either. The group changed its name earlier today and hundreds of people have joined the group today under false names to post graphic photo's !
You are missing the point, a lot of people agree that the jokes are in bad taste and are offensive. We are not necessarily condoning the content of the page but rather the right to freedom of speech. You have freedom of speech as your are able to express your opinions how you think it's sick, you are entitled to this opinion because of freedom of speech. However it works both ways. How would you feel if you were not allowed to express your disgust at the page and were told that all negative comments about the page were banned? You wouldn't be best pleased I imagine because it violates your right for freedom of speech. Whether you disagree with the content is irrelevant, they have the right to say it and who are you to decide what people find funny? You can block the page in its entirety if you feel if it is not for you because you have the freedom to do so, it really is that simple.
[quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: So most of you think this facebook page is acceptable ?- perhaps if you'd read the messages targeted at Gary Barlow today you might think differently . Personally attacking someone whose baby died less than 3 days ago is SICK! It's not Freedom of Speech it's 'Trolling!'- you don't have to 'like' the page to see the posts or receive news feeds either. The group changed its name earlier today and hundreds of people have joined the group today under false names to post graphic photo's ![/p][/quote]You are missing the point, a lot of people agree that the jokes are in bad taste and are offensive. We are not necessarily condoning the content of the page but rather the right to freedom of speech. You have freedom of speech as your are able to express your opinions how you think it's sick, you are entitled to this opinion because of freedom of speech. However it works both ways. How would you feel if you were not allowed to express your disgust at the page and were told that all negative comments about the page were banned? You wouldn't be best pleased I imagine because it violates your right for freedom of speech. Whether you disagree with the content is irrelevant, they have the right to say it and who are you to decide what people find funny? You can block the page in its entirety if you feel if it is not for you because you have the freedom to do so, it really is that simple. NeoMag

12:25pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Cazzle says...

Have you seen the photo's they are sharing this morning? A dead baby in the middle of the road with a placenta attached!!!! Is that humour?????
Have you seen the photo's they are sharing this morning? A dead baby in the middle of the road with a placenta attached!!!! Is that humour????? Cazzle

12:27pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Cazzle says...

plus, there are allegations this morning of the group being linked to a paedophile ring . It's the loons that the page is attracting that's the problem ....good job my mp is interested in the page!
plus, there are allegations this morning of the group being linked to a paedophile ring . It's the loons that the page is attracting that's the problem ....good job my mp is interested in the page! Cazzle

12:31pm Wed 8 Aug 12

Cazzle says...

by the way - i was made aware of it when a sick joke about Gary Barlow appeared on my newsfeed - and there have been hundreds more since - people laughing at the grief of another is not entertainment. Didn't the mcCann's successfully prosecute trollers ?
by the way - i was made aware of it when a sick joke about Gary Barlow appeared on my newsfeed - and there have been hundreds more since - people laughing at the grief of another is not entertainment. Didn't the mcCann's successfully prosecute trollers ? Cazzle

12:37pm Wed 8 Aug 12

tinyone says...

Yes, it is disgusting what they are posting, but if you hide the page from your news feed then you wont be able to see it yourself.

The reason it is still going so strong is because people like yourself and the women who this article is about are making such a big deal about it and they are getting the attention they are craving. I doubt very much this is linked to any sort of pedophile ring, it is more likely to be like all the other 'trolling' pages on facebook which tend to me bored teenagers - have you not noticed that this has all come to light during the school summer holidays!

Just ignore the page, dont give it any attention and they will soon get bored and people will forget about its existence and it will eventually die the miserable death it deserves.

I dont understand how people do not realise that this sort of attention is what these people want and you are just adding fuel to their sick and twisted fire!
Yes, it is disgusting what they are posting, but if you hide the page from your news feed then you wont be able to see it yourself. The reason it is still going so strong is because people like yourself and the women who this article is about are making such a big deal about it and they are getting the attention they are craving. I doubt very much this is linked to any sort of pedophile ring, it is more likely to be like all the other 'trolling' pages on facebook which tend to me bored teenagers - have you not noticed that this has all come to light during the school summer holidays! Just ignore the page, dont give it any attention and they will soon get bored and people will forget about its existence and it will eventually die the miserable death it deserves. I dont understand how people do not realise that this sort of attention is what these people want and you are just adding fuel to their sick and twisted fire! tinyone

12:40pm Wed 8 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

Cazzle wrote:
Have you seen the photo's they are sharing this morning? A dead baby in the middle of the road with a placenta attached!!!! Is that humour?????
No, I do not regard this as humour and graphic violence is against the ToC's of facebook and I usually report these and block the user if I see it. This was however posted by an individual and not the page itself, the page itself is about sharing jokes not graphic images.
[quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: Have you seen the photo's they are sharing this morning? A dead baby in the middle of the road with a placenta attached!!!! Is that humour?????[/p][/quote]No, I do not regard this as humour and graphic violence is against the ToC's of facebook and I usually report these and block the user if I see it. This was however posted by an individual and not the page itself, the page itself is about sharing jokes not graphic images. NeoMag

12:43pm Wed 8 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

Cazzle wrote:
plus, there are allegations this morning of the group being linked to a paedophile ring . It's the loons that the page is attracting that's the problem ....good job my mp is interested in the page!
Allegations and hear-say.
[quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: plus, there are allegations this morning of the group being linked to a paedophile ring . It's the loons that the page is attracting that's the problem ....good job my mp is interested in the page![/p][/quote]Allegations and hear-say. NeoMag

12:57pm Wed 8 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

Cazzle wrote:
by the way - i was made aware of it when a sick joke about Gary Barlow appeared on my newsfeed - and there have been hundreds more since - people laughing at the grief of another is not entertainment. Didn't the mcCann's successfully prosecute trollers ?
The issue here is that these comments have come from individuals not the page itself, therefore the page itself has not violated any ToC's. You have to separate the page from the individual, that is why facebook have stated that as the PAGE has not violated the ToC's, it has no reason to close it down. However, if you report the individual for hate speech, that is a different matter. There are many many websites out there with this sort of humour, sickipedia, ebaumsworld, deadbabyjokes.com etc. etc, the list goes on but do people who disagree with the content of these sites have the right to say it shouldn't exist? They are certainly entitled to disagree with the content as it is freedom of speech but others actually find it funny. Some people just have different senses of humour and nobody can say what is funny and what is not funny as its subjective. There was one lady on the page who has lost a child herself and uses the joke page as an outlet for her grief and uses it as a coping mechanism. Laughter is the best medicine after all. Who are we to say she cannot do that?
[quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: by the way - i was made aware of it when a sick joke about Gary Barlow appeared on my newsfeed - and there have been hundreds more since - people laughing at the grief of another is not entertainment. Didn't the mcCann's successfully prosecute trollers ?[/p][/quote]The issue here is that these comments have come from individuals not the page itself, therefore the page itself has not violated any ToC's. You have to separate the page from the individual, that is why facebook have stated that as the PAGE has not violated the ToC's, it has no reason to close it down. However, if you report the individual for hate speech, that is a different matter. There are many many websites out there with this sort of humour, sickipedia, ebaumsworld, deadbabyjokes.com etc. etc, the list goes on but do people who disagree with the content of these sites have the right to say it shouldn't exist? They are certainly entitled to disagree with the content as it is freedom of speech but others actually find it funny. Some people just have different senses of humour and nobody can say what is funny and what is not funny as its subjective. There was one lady on the page who has lost a child herself and uses the joke page as an outlet for her grief and uses it as a coping mechanism. Laughter is the best medicine after all. Who are we to say she cannot do that? NeoMag

12:59pm Wed 8 Aug 12

rjsizzler says...

Cazzle wrote:
Have you seen the photo's they are sharing this morning? A dead baby in the middle of the road with a placenta attached!!!! Is that humour?????
Cazzle, you aren't listening to anyone.

If you are offended by this, as any normal person would be, then don't go looking for it.

If people you are friends with on facebook are liking it and therefore it is appearing on your feed, then talk to your 'friends' about that.

The internet is ugly, but thankfully it's pretty easy to not look at things you don't want to see.

Don't go looking for it so you can complain - you'll get nowhere.
[quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: Have you seen the photo's they are sharing this morning? A dead baby in the middle of the road with a placenta attached!!!! Is that humour?????[/p][/quote]Cazzle, you aren't listening to anyone. If you are offended by this, as any normal person would be, then don't go looking for it. If people you are friends with on facebook are liking it and therefore it is appearing on your feed, then talk to your 'friends' about that. The internet is ugly, but thankfully it's pretty easy to not look at things you don't want to see. Don't go looking for it so you can complain - you'll get nowhere. rjsizzler

1:41pm Wed 8 Aug 12

jackdt09 says...

Louisexmorganx wrote:
jackdt09 wrote: Should a mum not have better things to do than complain about Facebook pages? Maybe get a part time job, or just look after your kids. What is the difference between one of these jokes, which is what they are, and say someone like Jimmy Carr or Frankie Boyle making a joke about rape? If you are offended, don't tune in. Most jokes are offensive to someone. I just watched Jack Whitehall on Michael Macintyre's Comedy Road Show mocking French people. I was sitting here laughing my head off. However, I bet it would be offensive to some French people. No different to any other offensive joke, just different topic. Don't like, don't watch/read!
I'd say there is a huge difference between mocking ones culture and laughing at someone's grief. Trying to use that as a comparison is an epic fail - please refrain from typing, your post was silly!
Anyone who uses the term 'epic fail' in a serious argument shows that they are lacking in intelligence.

Read my post again you cretin. I was talking about offence generally, not mocking someone's grief.

The jokes are hypothetical, or should be. Anyone posting a joke aimed at an actual case of infant death are sick, however, that's not what the group intends. Whether someone finds it amusing or not is irrelevant to my argument, but a joke referring to dead babies generally, although not funny in my book, is very similar to a Jimmy Carr rape joke for example. Its certainly not going to be funny to someone who has been raped, but if you choose to read something or go to a comedy gig, don't complain after.

Try reading the context of a post before criticising it.

My point was that if you are likely to find something offensive, don't read it.
[quote][p][bold]Louisexmorganx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jackdt09[/bold] wrote: Should a mum not have better things to do than complain about Facebook pages? Maybe get a part time job, or just look after your kids. What is the difference between one of these jokes, which is what they are, and say someone like Jimmy Carr or Frankie Boyle making a joke about rape? If you are offended, don't tune in. Most jokes are offensive to someone. I just watched Jack Whitehall on Michael Macintyre's Comedy Road Show mocking French people. I was sitting here laughing my head off. However, I bet it would be offensive to some French people. No different to any other offensive joke, just different topic. Don't like, don't watch/read![/p][/quote]I'd say there is a huge difference between mocking ones culture and laughing at someone's grief. Trying to use that as a comparison is an epic fail - please refrain from typing, your post was silly![/p][/quote]Anyone who uses the term 'epic fail' in a serious argument shows that they are lacking in intelligence. Read my post again you cretin. I was talking about offence generally, not mocking someone's grief. The jokes are hypothetical, or should be. Anyone posting a joke aimed at an actual case of infant death are sick, however, that's not what the group intends. Whether someone finds it amusing or not is irrelevant to my argument, but a joke referring to dead babies generally, although not funny in my book, is very similar to a Jimmy Carr rape joke for example. Its certainly not going to be funny to someone who has been raped, but if you choose to read something or go to a comedy gig, don't complain after. Try reading the context of a post before criticising it. My point was that if you are likely to find something offensive, don't read it. jackdt09

11:38pm Wed 8 Aug 12

The Jak says...

Wait, so we should ban a page because children might view it and it would be detrimental to them?

How about parents control their children and monitor what they view on the Internet. You wouldn't allow them to go out and read any magazine out there, or watch any film in the cinema. There's nobody trying to ban films from the cinema, because children aren't going to watch it. How about parents take some responsibility for what their children view and actually do their jobs so I can enjoy the Internet without having somebody trying to tell me what I can and can't view on it.

If you have a problem with the page, stay away. Im not a fan of the humour on that page, but I know plenty of people who would be. I really like reading about trains and such. What if people were trying to infringe on my right to read about trains because it was against the morals of the majority? That's exactly the same thing as here. The page has done nothing wrong other than post crude humour. Perfectly in their rights. Just because some don't agree with the humour present doesn't give you the right to see to it that's banned. If we ban things like this we're going to end up in a totalitarian state where nobody can state their mind, and nobody can enjoy anything that's against the public ethos.

I don't mind the page, nobody else should mind the page. Yes, you can be disgusted, but your disgust at the jokes on show doesn't mean that the people contributing are doing anything to break the law? Why do you think the page is still there after countless reports? Because its not spreading hate, it's simply catering for the humour of a group of people, just like thousands of other web pages across the Internet. People have the right to say what they want in the free world. How does the famous saying go again? "I abhor what you say but will fight to might death to defend your right to say it.
Wait, so we should ban a page because children might view it and it would be detrimental to them? How about parents control their children and monitor what they view on the Internet. You wouldn't allow them to go out and read any magazine out there, or watch any film in the cinema. There's nobody trying to ban films from the cinema, because children aren't going to watch it. How about parents take some responsibility for what their children view and actually do their jobs so I can enjoy the Internet without having somebody trying to tell me what I can and can't view on it. If you have a problem with the page, stay away. Im not a fan of the humour on that page, but I know plenty of people who would be. I really like reading about trains and such. What if people were trying to infringe on my right to read about trains because it was against the morals of the majority? That's exactly the same thing as here. The page has done nothing wrong other than post crude humour. Perfectly in their rights. Just because some don't agree with the humour present doesn't give you the right to see to it that's banned. If we ban things like this we're going to end up in a totalitarian state where nobody can state their mind, and nobody can enjoy anything that's against the public ethos. I don't mind the page, nobody else should mind the page. Yes, you can be disgusted, but your disgust at the jokes on show doesn't mean that the people contributing are doing anything to break the law? Why do you think the page is still there after countless reports? Because its not spreading hate, it's simply catering for the humour of a group of people, just like thousands of other web pages across the Internet. People have the right to say what they want in the free world. How does the famous saying go again? "I abhor what you say but will fight to might death to defend your right to say it. The Jak

9:11am Thu 9 Aug 12

R85 says...

rjsizzler wrote:
Cazzle wrote: Have you seen the photo's they are sharing this morning? A dead baby in the middle of the road with a placenta attached!!!! Is that humour?????
Cazzle, you aren't listening to anyone. If you are offended by this, as any normal person would be, then don't go looking for it. If people you are friends with on facebook are liking it and therefore it is appearing on your feed, then talk to your 'friends' about that. The internet is ugly, but thankfully it's pretty easy to not look at things you don't want to see. Don't go looking for it so you can complain - you'll get nowhere.
The internet isn’t ugly per se, the internet is just people! People are ugly! A lot of people find things like that funny but don’t speak about it in public! The internets a very public forum for everybodys dark sides! Everybody has them though, just to a varying degree!
[quote][p][bold]rjsizzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: Have you seen the photo's they are sharing this morning? A dead baby in the middle of the road with a placenta attached!!!! Is that humour?????[/p][/quote]Cazzle, you aren't listening to anyone. If you are offended by this, as any normal person would be, then don't go looking for it. If people you are friends with on facebook are liking it and therefore it is appearing on your feed, then talk to your 'friends' about that. The internet is ugly, but thankfully it's pretty easy to not look at things you don't want to see. Don't go looking for it so you can complain - you'll get nowhere.[/p][/quote]The internet isn’t ugly per se, the internet is just people! People are ugly! A lot of people find things like that funny but don’t speak about it in public! The internets a very public forum for everybodys dark sides! Everybody has them though, just to a varying degree! R85

9:20am Thu 9 Aug 12

R85 says...

meldrew84 wrote:
R85 wrote:
meldrew84 wrote: Last week a young lad was ARRESTED for making a joke about an athletes failur and his dead dad.... A friend of mine was removed from facebook for having a spoof naked picture of pat butcher on his profile.... People get traced and arrested over racist jokes.... And it's also been deemed unacceptable makes jokes regarding recent tragedies (like the batman massacre).... So why is it socially unacceptable for all of the above but ok for "dead baby jokes" and child abuse related jokes to carry on??? It's not the fact the page exists that bothers me, cos I don't have to look, what bothers me is the fact these sick individuals are being given some "right" to have this page which is intended to offend people, when other people are not allowed to do the same. So are we saying the offence caused from the subject of racism, naked old women, athletes dead dads and fabrice muamba is of higher importance than the offence to caused to grieving to parents?!? Where do we draw the line.... Can't make one rule for racists and another for someone who causes the same offence and misery by picking on a parents grief! Lets face it, if the page was called "dead BLACK baby jokes" it would have been removed long ago.......
If it targets a specific and factual event or person/family then the jokes not freedom of speech! As I understand it, as long as they’re not doing that then its OK. The jokes on pages like that do not target a grieving parent’s dead child; they make general, non-specific jokes about the general idea of it!
So would you agree a page dedicated to racist jokes that just generalise the idea of racism is acceptable?? Like I said, if that page was about dead baby jokes from a particular nationality it would have been removed long ago..... And how can "freedom of speech" be confined by fact or person, if freedom is freedom then surely there is no limit on its scope, or it wouldn't really be freedom. And most of the jokes are largely based on fact, it's fact that babies die and parents are left bereft, it was also fact when they posted numerous jokes about baby p and other victims of child abuse. So again, it should be no more acceptable to arrest people for a joke towards a single person than it is to arrest them for jokes about a general group of people and their grief.
Wow talk about putting words into my mouth! I’m simply talking about the letter of the law!

Completely separately to that I do personally think the idea of generalised anything is OK, so long as it doesn’t target anyone specifically! I truly despise political correctness and therefore anything truly fct up is a breath of fresh air in this country where you can’t walk down the street without being branded a racist or something else! I’m sure anybody posting on that site would be truly horrified and distraught were they to actually encounter a dead baby! A joke is a joke, it is meant to shock, it is not meant to be believed in!
[quote][p][bold]meldrew84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]R85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meldrew84[/bold] wrote: Last week a young lad was ARRESTED for making a joke about an athletes failur and his dead dad.... A friend of mine was removed from facebook for having a spoof naked picture of pat butcher on his profile.... People get traced and arrested over racist jokes.... And it's also been deemed unacceptable makes jokes regarding recent tragedies (like the batman massacre).... So why is it socially unacceptable for all of the above but ok for "dead baby jokes" and child abuse related jokes to carry on??? It's not the fact the page exists that bothers me, cos I don't have to look, what bothers me is the fact these sick individuals are being given some "right" to have this page which is intended to offend people, when other people are not allowed to do the same. So are we saying the offence caused from the subject of racism, naked old women, athletes dead dads and fabrice muamba is of higher importance than the offence to caused to grieving to parents?!? Where do we draw the line.... Can't make one rule for racists and another for someone who causes the same offence and misery by picking on a parents grief! Lets face it, if the page was called "dead BLACK baby jokes" it would have been removed long ago.......[/p][/quote]If it targets a specific and factual event or person/family then the jokes not freedom of speech! As I understand it, as long as they’re not doing that then its OK. The jokes on pages like that do not target a grieving parent’s dead child; they make general, non-specific jokes about the general idea of it![/p][/quote]So would you agree a page dedicated to racist jokes that just generalise the idea of racism is acceptable?? Like I said, if that page was about dead baby jokes from a particular nationality it would have been removed long ago..... And how can "freedom of speech" be confined by fact or person, if freedom is freedom then surely there is no limit on its scope, or it wouldn't really be freedom. And most of the jokes are largely based on fact, it's fact that babies die and parents are left bereft, it was also fact when they posted numerous jokes about baby p and other victims of child abuse. So again, it should be no more acceptable to arrest people for a joke towards a single person than it is to arrest them for jokes about a general group of people and their grief.[/p][/quote]Wow talk about putting words into my mouth! I’m simply talking about the letter of the law! Completely separately to that I do personally think the idea of generalised anything is OK, so long as it doesn’t target anyone specifically! I truly despise political correctness and therefore anything truly fct up is a breath of fresh air in this country where you can’t walk down the street without being branded a racist or something else! I’m sure anybody posting on that site would be truly horrified and distraught were they to actually encounter a dead baby! A joke is a joke, it is meant to shock, it is not meant to be believed in! R85

11:34am Thu 9 Aug 12

nuttynech says...

You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes
You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes nuttynech

11:37am Thu 9 Aug 12

nuttynech says...

You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infact who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes
You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infact who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes nuttynech

11:37am Thu 9 Aug 12

nuttynech says...

nuttynech wrote:
You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes
Infact*
[quote][p][bold]nuttynech[/bold] wrote: You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes[/p][/quote]Infact* nuttynech

12:21pm Thu 9 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

nuttynech wrote:
You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes
Block it then you have the freedom to do so. Click on the cross by the post and block all from this page. If you read the previous posts you will see that that some people who have lost their own children use the humour as coping mechanism. There are quite a few women who use the joke page as an outlet for their grief, laughter is the best medicine after all. Different people have different senses of humour and nobody can say what is funny and what is not funny as it's subjective. You have the freedom to voice your opinion and express your disgust at it, you are also free not to view it. Others also have the freedom to do the opposite. What is right or wrong is not for you to decide on a factual basis, it is merely your opinion which you are entitled to.
[quote][p][bold]nuttynech[/bold] wrote: You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes[/p][/quote]Block it then you have the freedom to do so. Click on the cross by the post and block all from this page. If you read the previous posts you will see that that some people who have lost their own children use the humour as coping mechanism. There are quite a few women who use the joke page as an outlet for their grief, laughter is the best medicine after all. Different people have different senses of humour and nobody can say what is funny and what is not funny as it's subjective. You have the freedom to voice your opinion and express your disgust at it, you are also free not to view it. Others also have the freedom to do the opposite. What is right or wrong is not for you to decide on a factual basis, it is merely your opinion which you are entitled to. NeoMag

12:30pm Thu 9 Aug 12

PJR-121 says...

I know there are far worse pages on Facebook, done a bit of research (I don't belong to any of them!)

You have the power to ignore it and it will die away quietly. You can't change the opinons of people who like this so why bother? They are free to like what they like, you are free to like what you like. As long as they are not forcing their beliefs on you, you can't honestly try to force yours on theirs.

Ignore it, and it will die into the back catalogue of Facebook, visited only by those who want to find it. By making such a fuss, it's going to be looked at by more people who want to see what this is all about - which then spreads it further through their friends and so on.

Sometimes, being rightous and sticking to your beliefs, while good, can be the wrong thing to do.
I know there are far worse pages on Facebook, done a bit of research (I don't belong to any of them!) You have the power to ignore it and it will die away quietly. You can't change the opinons of people who like this so why bother? They are free to like what they like, you are free to like what you like. As long as they are not forcing their beliefs on you, you can't honestly try to force yours on theirs. Ignore it, and it will die into the back catalogue of Facebook, visited only by those who want to find it. By making such a fuss, it's going to be looked at by more people who want to see what this is all about - which then spreads it further through their friends and so on. Sometimes, being rightous and sticking to your beliefs, while good, can be the wrong thing to do. PJR-121

12:38pm Thu 9 Aug 12

tinyone says...

NeoMag wrote:
nuttynech wrote:
You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes
Block it then you have the freedom to do so. Click on the cross by the post and block all from this page. If you read the previous posts you will see that that some people who have lost their own children use the humour as coping mechanism. There are quite a few women who use the joke page as an outlet for their grief, laughter is the best medicine after all. Different people have different senses of humour and nobody can say what is funny and what is not funny as it's subjective. You have the freedom to voice your opinion and express your disgust at it, you are also free not to view it. Others also have the freedom to do the opposite. What is right or wrong is not for you to decide on a factual basis, it is merely your opinion which you are entitled to.
I am sorry, but I cant actually see any mother who has lost a child find any jokes about dead babies funny in the slightest... if they do, then I dread to think what sort of mother they would have been.

I know, in a lot of lifes situations, jokes can be funny, however the death of a child, which has been experienced by any parent, mother or father, could never be funny.

To be fair, if there are people posting on that page to say they are a mother who has lost a child and using the page as a coping mechanism (I cant confirm if this is true as I have never looked at the page's content) is probably more fake accounts and are as sick as some of the individuals posting images of dead babies etc.
[quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nuttynech[/bold] wrote: You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes[/p][/quote]Block it then you have the freedom to do so. Click on the cross by the post and block all from this page. If you read the previous posts you will see that that some people who have lost their own children use the humour as coping mechanism. There are quite a few women who use the joke page as an outlet for their grief, laughter is the best medicine after all. Different people have different senses of humour and nobody can say what is funny and what is not funny as it's subjective. You have the freedom to voice your opinion and express your disgust at it, you are also free not to view it. Others also have the freedom to do the opposite. What is right or wrong is not for you to decide on a factual basis, it is merely your opinion which you are entitled to.[/p][/quote]I am sorry, but I cant actually see any mother who has lost a child find any jokes about dead babies funny in the slightest... if they do, then I dread to think what sort of mother they would have been. I know, in a lot of lifes situations, jokes can be funny, however the death of a child, which has been experienced by any parent, mother or father, could never be funny. To be fair, if there are people posting on that page to say they are a mother who has lost a child and using the page as a coping mechanism (I cant confirm if this is true as I have never looked at the page's content) is probably more fake accounts and are as sick as some of the individuals posting images of dead babies etc. tinyone

12:44pm Thu 9 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

tinyone wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
nuttynech wrote:
You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes
Block it then you have the freedom to do so. Click on the cross by the post and block all from this page. If you read the previous posts you will see that that some people who have lost their own children use the humour as coping mechanism. There are quite a few women who use the joke page as an outlet for their grief, laughter is the best medicine after all. Different people have different senses of humour and nobody can say what is funny and what is not funny as it's subjective. You have the freedom to voice your opinion and express your disgust at it, you are also free not to view it. Others also have the freedom to do the opposite. What is right or wrong is not for you to decide on a factual basis, it is merely your opinion which you are entitled to.
I am sorry, but I cant actually see any mother who has lost a child find any jokes about dead babies funny in the slightest... if they do, then I dread to think what sort of mother they would have been.

I know, in a lot of lifes situations, jokes can be funny, however the death of a child, which has been experienced by any parent, mother or father, could never be funny.

To be fair, if there are people posting on that page to say they are a mother who has lost a child and using the page as a coping mechanism (I cant confirm if this is true as I have never looked at the page's content) is probably more fake accounts and are as sick as some of the individuals posting images of dead babies etc.
Like you said, you cannot confirm that this is true because you have never visited the page.

Like I keep iterating, humour is subjective and what people to do to cope is up to them. Whether you agree or not is a different matter. Just because you have the opinion that it is wrong does not mean they share the same opinion as you.

Also jumping to conclusions about what the mother is like a person based solely on they sense of humour is dangerous and narrow minded.
[quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nuttynech[/bold] wrote: You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes[/p][/quote]Block it then you have the freedom to do so. Click on the cross by the post and block all from this page. If you read the previous posts you will see that that some people who have lost their own children use the humour as coping mechanism. There are quite a few women who use the joke page as an outlet for their grief, laughter is the best medicine after all. Different people have different senses of humour and nobody can say what is funny and what is not funny as it's subjective. You have the freedom to voice your opinion and express your disgust at it, you are also free not to view it. Others also have the freedom to do the opposite. What is right or wrong is not for you to decide on a factual basis, it is merely your opinion which you are entitled to.[/p][/quote]I am sorry, but I cant actually see any mother who has lost a child find any jokes about dead babies funny in the slightest... if they do, then I dread to think what sort of mother they would have been. I know, in a lot of lifes situations, jokes can be funny, however the death of a child, which has been experienced by any parent, mother or father, could never be funny. To be fair, if there are people posting on that page to say they are a mother who has lost a child and using the page as a coping mechanism (I cant confirm if this is true as I have never looked at the page's content) is probably more fake accounts and are as sick as some of the individuals posting images of dead babies etc.[/p][/quote]Like you said, you cannot confirm that this is true because you have never visited the page. Like I keep iterating, humour is subjective and what people to do to cope is up to them. Whether you agree or not is a different matter. Just because you have the opinion that it is wrong does not mean they share the same opinion as you. Also jumping to conclusions about what the mother is like a person based solely on they sense of humour is dangerous and narrow minded. NeoMag

12:59pm Thu 9 Aug 12

tinyone says...

NeoMag wrote:
tinyone wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
nuttynech wrote:
You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes
Block it then you have the freedom to do so. Click on the cross by the post and block all from this page. If you read the previous posts you will see that that some people who have lost their own children use the humour as coping mechanism. There are quite a few women who use the joke page as an outlet for their grief, laughter is the best medicine after all. Different people have different senses of humour and nobody can say what is funny and what is not funny as it's subjective. You have the freedom to voice your opinion and express your disgust at it, you are also free not to view it. Others also have the freedom to do the opposite. What is right or wrong is not for you to decide on a factual basis, it is merely your opinion which you are entitled to.
I am sorry, but I cant actually see any mother who has lost a child find any jokes about dead babies funny in the slightest... if they do, then I dread to think what sort of mother they would have been.

I know, in a lot of lifes situations, jokes can be funny, however the death of a child, which has been experienced by any parent, mother or father, could never be funny.

To be fair, if there are people posting on that page to say they are a mother who has lost a child and using the page as a coping mechanism (I cant confirm if this is true as I have never looked at the page's content) is probably more fake accounts and are as sick as some of the individuals posting images of dead babies etc.
Like you said, you cannot confirm that this is true because you have never visited the page.

Like I keep iterating, humour is subjective and what people to do to cope is up to them. Whether you agree or not is a different matter. Just because you have the opinion that it is wrong does not mean they share the same opinion as you.

Also jumping to conclusions about what the mother is like a person based solely on they sense of humour is dangerous and narrow minded.
Dangerous?! Okay, if you say so!
Narrow minded, maybe, but I would like to think that the majority of people who have lost a child would never find any humor from that situation. I lost my mother when I was just 3 years old, I would never find a joke regarding that circumstance funny, however jokes about fat mums and things along those lines, (I personally dont roll around the floor laughing), can see the funny side. However a joke about a dead baby when experiencing that loss, I just cant fathom how they would find a place within their heart to laugh or even crack a smile.

I am not a parent, so maybe I cant relate to it, but I can guarantee I would not find images of dead babies, jokes about a fellow parents who have lost a child or children, funny in the slightest.

As you say my opinion and I will sure as hell stick by it.
[quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nuttynech[/bold] wrote: You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes[/p][/quote]Block it then you have the freedom to do so. Click on the cross by the post and block all from this page. If you read the previous posts you will see that that some people who have lost their own children use the humour as coping mechanism. There are quite a few women who use the joke page as an outlet for their grief, laughter is the best medicine after all. Different people have different senses of humour and nobody can say what is funny and what is not funny as it's subjective. You have the freedom to voice your opinion and express your disgust at it, you are also free not to view it. Others also have the freedom to do the opposite. What is right or wrong is not for you to decide on a factual basis, it is merely your opinion which you are entitled to.[/p][/quote]I am sorry, but I cant actually see any mother who has lost a child find any jokes about dead babies funny in the slightest... if they do, then I dread to think what sort of mother they would have been. I know, in a lot of lifes situations, jokes can be funny, however the death of a child, which has been experienced by any parent, mother or father, could never be funny. To be fair, if there are people posting on that page to say they are a mother who has lost a child and using the page as a coping mechanism (I cant confirm if this is true as I have never looked at the page's content) is probably more fake accounts and are as sick as some of the individuals posting images of dead babies etc.[/p][/quote]Like you said, you cannot confirm that this is true because you have never visited the page. Like I keep iterating, humour is subjective and what people to do to cope is up to them. Whether you agree or not is a different matter. Just because you have the opinion that it is wrong does not mean they share the same opinion as you. Also jumping to conclusions about what the mother is like a person based solely on they sense of humour is dangerous and narrow minded.[/p][/quote]Dangerous?! Okay, if you say so! Narrow minded, maybe, but I would like to think that the majority of people who have lost a child would never find any humor from that situation. I lost my mother when I was just 3 years old, I would never find a joke regarding that circumstance funny, however jokes about fat mums and things along those lines, (I personally dont roll around the floor laughing), can see the funny side. However a joke about a dead baby when experiencing that loss, I just cant fathom how they would find a place within their heart to laugh or even crack a smile. I am not a parent, so maybe I cant relate to it, but I can guarantee I would not find images of dead babies, jokes about a fellow parents who have lost a child or children, funny in the slightest. As you say my opinion and I will sure as hell stick by it. tinyone

1:17pm Thu 9 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

tinyone wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
tinyone wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
nuttynech wrote:
You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes
Block it then you have the freedom to do so. Click on the cross by the post and block all from this page. If you read the previous posts you will see that that some people who have lost their own children use the humour as coping mechanism. There are quite a few women who use the joke page as an outlet for their grief, laughter is the best medicine after all. Different people have different senses of humour and nobody can say what is funny and what is not funny as it's subjective. You have the freedom to voice your opinion and express your disgust at it, you are also free not to view it. Others also have the freedom to do the opposite. What is right or wrong is not for you to decide on a factual basis, it is merely your opinion which you are entitled to.
I am sorry, but I cant actually see any mother who has lost a child find any jokes about dead babies funny in the slightest... if they do, then I dread to think what sort of mother they would have been.

I know, in a lot of lifes situations, jokes can be funny, however the death of a child, which has been experienced by any parent, mother or father, could never be funny.

To be fair, if there are people posting on that page to say they are a mother who has lost a child and using the page as a coping mechanism (I cant confirm if this is true as I have never looked at the page's content) is probably more fake accounts and are as sick as some of the individuals posting images of dead babies etc.
Like you said, you cannot confirm that this is true because you have never visited the page.

Like I keep iterating, humour is subjective and what people to do to cope is up to them. Whether you agree or not is a different matter. Just because you have the opinion that it is wrong does not mean they share the same opinion as you.

Also jumping to conclusions about what the mother is like a person based solely on they sense of humour is dangerous and narrow minded.
Dangerous?! Okay, if you say so!
Narrow minded, maybe, but I would like to think that the majority of people who have lost a child would never find any humor from that situation. I lost my mother when I was just 3 years old, I would never find a joke regarding that circumstance funny, however jokes about fat mums and things along those lines, (I personally dont roll around the floor laughing), can see the funny side. However a joke about a dead baby when experiencing that loss, I just cant fathom how they would find a place within their heart to laugh or even crack a smile.

I am not a parent, so maybe I cant relate to it, but I can guarantee I would not find images of dead babies, jokes about a fellow parents who have lost a child or children, funny in the slightest.

As you say my opinion and I will sure as hell stick by it.
I completely respect your opinion. Maybe the word 'dangerous' was a little over the top, I just think of things with religion and general narrow mindedness of people could possibly lead to dangerous situations.

I am new parent myself and whilst the thought of losing my daughter is unfathomable I can still appreciate the 'dark' humour for what it is. I personally know people who have been in that situation and can still appreciate the jokes, That doesn't make them a bad person. It is not like the day after you go around their house and start reeling off dead baby jokes but I know people who have accepted their loss and have moved on with their lives and do not find these jokes offensive (as they do not attack them personally) and have a laugh at the jokes themselves. The humour comes from the shock factor, "I can't believe you said that" kinda thing, very much like comedians Franky Boyle, Jimmy Carr, Roy Chubby Brown etc. who do use material like this. Understandable it is not to everyone's taste however, and people are free to express their disapproval of them just as people are free to tell the jokes in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nuttynech[/bold] wrote: You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes[/p][/quote]Block it then you have the freedom to do so. Click on the cross by the post and block all from this page. If you read the previous posts you will see that that some people who have lost their own children use the humour as coping mechanism. There are quite a few women who use the joke page as an outlet for their grief, laughter is the best medicine after all. Different people have different senses of humour and nobody can say what is funny and what is not funny as it's subjective. You have the freedom to voice your opinion and express your disgust at it, you are also free not to view it. Others also have the freedom to do the opposite. What is right or wrong is not for you to decide on a factual basis, it is merely your opinion which you are entitled to.[/p][/quote]I am sorry, but I cant actually see any mother who has lost a child find any jokes about dead babies funny in the slightest... if they do, then I dread to think what sort of mother they would have been. I know, in a lot of lifes situations, jokes can be funny, however the death of a child, which has been experienced by any parent, mother or father, could never be funny. To be fair, if there are people posting on that page to say they are a mother who has lost a child and using the page as a coping mechanism (I cant confirm if this is true as I have never looked at the page's content) is probably more fake accounts and are as sick as some of the individuals posting images of dead babies etc.[/p][/quote]Like you said, you cannot confirm that this is true because you have never visited the page. Like I keep iterating, humour is subjective and what people to do to cope is up to them. Whether you agree or not is a different matter. Just because you have the opinion that it is wrong does not mean they share the same opinion as you. Also jumping to conclusions about what the mother is like a person based solely on they sense of humour is dangerous and narrow minded.[/p][/quote]Dangerous?! Okay, if you say so! Narrow minded, maybe, but I would like to think that the majority of people who have lost a child would never find any humor from that situation. I lost my mother when I was just 3 years old, I would never find a joke regarding that circumstance funny, however jokes about fat mums and things along those lines, (I personally dont roll around the floor laughing), can see the funny side. However a joke about a dead baby when experiencing that loss, I just cant fathom how they would find a place within their heart to laugh or even crack a smile. I am not a parent, so maybe I cant relate to it, but I can guarantee I would not find images of dead babies, jokes about a fellow parents who have lost a child or children, funny in the slightest. As you say my opinion and I will sure as hell stick by it.[/p][/quote]I completely respect your opinion. Maybe the word 'dangerous' was a little over the top, I just think of things with religion and general narrow mindedness of people could possibly lead to dangerous situations. I am new parent myself and whilst the thought of losing my daughter is unfathomable I can still appreciate the 'dark' humour for what it is. I personally know people who have been in that situation and can still appreciate the jokes, That doesn't make them a bad person. It is not like the day after you go around their house and start reeling off dead baby jokes but I know people who have accepted their loss and have moved on with their lives and do not find these jokes offensive (as they do not attack them personally) and have a laugh at the jokes themselves. The humour comes from the shock factor, "I can't believe you said that" kinda thing, very much like comedians Franky Boyle, Jimmy Carr, Roy Chubby Brown etc. who do use material like this. Understandable it is not to everyone's taste however, and people are free to express their disapproval of them just as people are free to tell the jokes in the first place. NeoMag

1:28pm Thu 9 Aug 12

tinyone says...

NeoMag wrote:
tinyone wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
tinyone wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
nuttynech wrote:
You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes
Block it then you have the freedom to do so. Click on the cross by the post and block all from this page. If you read the previous posts you will see that that some people who have lost their own children use the humour as coping mechanism. There are quite a few women who use the joke page as an outlet for their grief, laughter is the best medicine after all. Different people have different senses of humour and nobody can say what is funny and what is not funny as it's subjective. You have the freedom to voice your opinion and express your disgust at it, you are also free not to view it. Others also have the freedom to do the opposite. What is right or wrong is not for you to decide on a factual basis, it is merely your opinion which you are entitled to.
I am sorry, but I cant actually see any mother who has lost a child find any jokes about dead babies funny in the slightest... if they do, then I dread to think what sort of mother they would have been.

I know, in a lot of lifes situations, jokes can be funny, however the death of a child, which has been experienced by any parent, mother or father, could never be funny.

To be fair, if there are people posting on that page to say they are a mother who has lost a child and using the page as a coping mechanism (I cant confirm if this is true as I have never looked at the page's content) is probably more fake accounts and are as sick as some of the individuals posting images of dead babies etc.
Like you said, you cannot confirm that this is true because you have never visited the page.

Like I keep iterating, humour is subjective and what people to do to cope is up to them. Whether you agree or not is a different matter. Just because you have the opinion that it is wrong does not mean they share the same opinion as you.

Also jumping to conclusions about what the mother is like a person based solely on they sense of humour is dangerous and narrow minded.
Dangerous?! Okay, if you say so!
Narrow minded, maybe, but I would like to think that the majority of people who have lost a child would never find any humor from that situation. I lost my mother when I was just 3 years old, I would never find a joke regarding that circumstance funny, however jokes about fat mums and things along those lines, (I personally dont roll around the floor laughing), can see the funny side. However a joke about a dead baby when experiencing that loss, I just cant fathom how they would find a place within their heart to laugh or even crack a smile.

I am not a parent, so maybe I cant relate to it, but I can guarantee I would not find images of dead babies, jokes about a fellow parents who have lost a child or children, funny in the slightest.

As you say my opinion and I will sure as hell stick by it.
I completely respect your opinion. Maybe the word 'dangerous' was a little over the top, I just think of things with religion and general narrow mindedness of people could possibly lead to dangerous situations.

I am new parent myself and whilst the thought of losing my daughter is unfathomable I can still appreciate the 'dark' humour for what it is. I personally know people who have been in that situation and can still appreciate the jokes, That doesn't make them a bad person. It is not like the day after you go around their house and start reeling off dead baby jokes but I know people who have accepted their loss and have moved on with their lives and do not find these jokes offensive (as they do not attack them personally) and have a laugh at the jokes themselves. The humour comes from the shock factor, "I can't believe you said that" kinda thing, very much like comedians Franky Boyle, Jimmy Carr, Roy Chubby Brown etc. who do use material like this. Understandable it is not to everyone's taste however, and people are free to express their disapproval of them just as people are free to tell the jokes in the first place.
Yes and I 100% agree with you on the freedom of speech etc etc and the fact that if people didnt go and look at this page, then they wouldnt find it offensive.

I have never heard any of the mentioned comedians use any jokes about dead babies. Babies/children who have illnesses, deformed etc, all things close to the mark, but I have never come across one which is about a dead baby. Maybe I haven't seen enough of their material. So feel free to correct me. I am going to see Franky Boyle in October, so maybe I will listen out for one and see if I do laugh or not.

I am one for all un PC jokes and I do tend to laugh at anything which is even the tiniest bit funny, but I think dead babies would seriously draw the line. Possibly because I have too much empathy to 'appreciate' such jokes.
[quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nuttynech[/bold] wrote: You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes[/p][/quote]Block it then you have the freedom to do so. Click on the cross by the post and block all from this page. If you read the previous posts you will see that that some people who have lost their own children use the humour as coping mechanism. There are quite a few women who use the joke page as an outlet for their grief, laughter is the best medicine after all. Different people have different senses of humour and nobody can say what is funny and what is not funny as it's subjective. You have the freedom to voice your opinion and express your disgust at it, you are also free not to view it. Others also have the freedom to do the opposite. What is right or wrong is not for you to decide on a factual basis, it is merely your opinion which you are entitled to.[/p][/quote]I am sorry, but I cant actually see any mother who has lost a child find any jokes about dead babies funny in the slightest... if they do, then I dread to think what sort of mother they would have been. I know, in a lot of lifes situations, jokes can be funny, however the death of a child, which has been experienced by any parent, mother or father, could never be funny. To be fair, if there are people posting on that page to say they are a mother who has lost a child and using the page as a coping mechanism (I cant confirm if this is true as I have never looked at the page's content) is probably more fake accounts and are as sick as some of the individuals posting images of dead babies etc.[/p][/quote]Like you said, you cannot confirm that this is true because you have never visited the page. Like I keep iterating, humour is subjective and what people to do to cope is up to them. Whether you agree or not is a different matter. Just because you have the opinion that it is wrong does not mean they share the same opinion as you. Also jumping to conclusions about what the mother is like a person based solely on they sense of humour is dangerous and narrow minded.[/p][/quote]Dangerous?! Okay, if you say so! Narrow minded, maybe, but I would like to think that the majority of people who have lost a child would never find any humor from that situation. I lost my mother when I was just 3 years old, I would never find a joke regarding that circumstance funny, however jokes about fat mums and things along those lines, (I personally dont roll around the floor laughing), can see the funny side. However a joke about a dead baby when experiencing that loss, I just cant fathom how they would find a place within their heart to laugh or even crack a smile. I am not a parent, so maybe I cant relate to it, but I can guarantee I would not find images of dead babies, jokes about a fellow parents who have lost a child or children, funny in the slightest. As you say my opinion and I will sure as hell stick by it.[/p][/quote]I completely respect your opinion. Maybe the word 'dangerous' was a little over the top, I just think of things with religion and general narrow mindedness of people could possibly lead to dangerous situations. I am new parent myself and whilst the thought of losing my daughter is unfathomable I can still appreciate the 'dark' humour for what it is. I personally know people who have been in that situation and can still appreciate the jokes, That doesn't make them a bad person. It is not like the day after you go around their house and start reeling off dead baby jokes but I know people who have accepted their loss and have moved on with their lives and do not find these jokes offensive (as they do not attack them personally) and have a laugh at the jokes themselves. The humour comes from the shock factor, "I can't believe you said that" kinda thing, very much like comedians Franky Boyle, Jimmy Carr, Roy Chubby Brown etc. who do use material like this. Understandable it is not to everyone's taste however, and people are free to express their disapproval of them just as people are free to tell the jokes in the first place.[/p][/quote]Yes and I 100% agree with you on the freedom of speech etc etc and the fact that if people didnt go and look at this page, then they wouldnt find it offensive. I have never heard any of the mentioned comedians use any jokes about dead babies. Babies/children who have illnesses, deformed etc, all things close to the mark, but I have never come across one which is about a dead baby. Maybe I haven't seen enough of their material. So feel free to correct me. I am going to see Franky Boyle in October, so maybe I will listen out for one and see if I do laugh or not. I am one for all un PC jokes and I do tend to laugh at anything which is even the tiniest bit funny, but I think dead babies would seriously draw the line. Possibly because I have too much empathy to 'appreciate' such jokes. tinyone

1:52pm Thu 9 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

tinyone wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
tinyone wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
tinyone wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
nuttynech wrote:
You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes
Block it then you have the freedom to do so. Click on the cross by the post and block all from this page. If you read the previous posts you will see that that some people who have lost their own children use the humour as coping mechanism. There are quite a few women who use the joke page as an outlet for their grief, laughter is the best medicine after all. Different people have different senses of humour and nobody can say what is funny and what is not funny as it's subjective. You have the freedom to voice your opinion and express your disgust at it, you are also free not to view it. Others also have the freedom to do the opposite. What is right or wrong is not for you to decide on a factual basis, it is merely your opinion which you are entitled to.
I am sorry, but I cant actually see any mother who has lost a child find any jokes about dead babies funny in the slightest... if they do, then I dread to think what sort of mother they would have been.

I know, in a lot of lifes situations, jokes can be funny, however the death of a child, which has been experienced by any parent, mother or father, could never be funny.

To be fair, if there are people posting on that page to say they are a mother who has lost a child and using the page as a coping mechanism (I cant confirm if this is true as I have never looked at the page's content) is probably more fake accounts and are as sick as some of the individuals posting images of dead babies etc.
Like you said, you cannot confirm that this is true because you have never visited the page.

Like I keep iterating, humour is subjective and what people to do to cope is up to them. Whether you agree or not is a different matter. Just because you have the opinion that it is wrong does not mean they share the same opinion as you.

Also jumping to conclusions about what the mother is like a person based solely on they sense of humour is dangerous and narrow minded.
Dangerous?! Okay, if you say so!
Narrow minded, maybe, but I would like to think that the majority of people who have lost a child would never find any humor from that situation. I lost my mother when I was just 3 years old, I would never find a joke regarding that circumstance funny, however jokes about fat mums and things along those lines, (I personally dont roll around the floor laughing), can see the funny side. However a joke about a dead baby when experiencing that loss, I just cant fathom how they would find a place within their heart to laugh or even crack a smile.

I am not a parent, so maybe I cant relate to it, but I can guarantee I would not find images of dead babies, jokes about a fellow parents who have lost a child or children, funny in the slightest.

As you say my opinion and I will sure as hell stick by it.
I completely respect your opinion. Maybe the word 'dangerous' was a little over the top, I just think of things with religion and general narrow mindedness of people could possibly lead to dangerous situations.

I am new parent myself and whilst the thought of losing my daughter is unfathomable I can still appreciate the 'dark' humour for what it is. I personally know people who have been in that situation and can still appreciate the jokes, That doesn't make them a bad person. It is not like the day after you go around their house and start reeling off dead baby jokes but I know people who have accepted their loss and have moved on with their lives and do not find these jokes offensive (as they do not attack them personally) and have a laugh at the jokes themselves. The humour comes from the shock factor, "I can't believe you said that" kinda thing, very much like comedians Franky Boyle, Jimmy Carr, Roy Chubby Brown etc. who do use material like this. Understandable it is not to everyone's taste however, and people are free to express their disapproval of them just as people are free to tell the jokes in the first place.
Yes and I 100% agree with you on the freedom of speech etc etc and the fact that if people didnt go and look at this page, then they wouldnt find it offensive.

I have never heard any of the mentioned comedians use any jokes about dead babies. Babies/children who have illnesses, deformed etc, all things close to the mark, but I have never come across one which is about a dead baby. Maybe I haven't seen enough of their material. So feel free to correct me. I am going to see Franky Boyle in October, so maybe I will listen out for one and see if I do laugh or not.

I am one for all un PC jokes and I do tend to laugh at anything which is even the tiniest bit funny, but I think dead babies would seriously draw the line. Possibly because I have too much empathy to 'appreciate' such jokes.
(removed the quote as it was huge!)
Jimmy Carr has certainly used similar material and I know Franky Boyle got himself into trouble for making comments about Jordan's disabled child. Whether this is worse than a joke about a fictitious dead baby is another debate in it itself. Chubby Brown was more of a sexist and disabled joke kind of person but some people find him offensive. Again, whether a joke about a real disabled person is worse than a fictitious dead entity is up for debate and a matter of opinion.

I personally find the page entertaining, not because of the jokes but because of the people hating the page constructing arguments unsuccessfully and looking like idiots. Comments like "OMG ur sooo sck, get off fb now. Hope ur kidz die in a fire" is so hypocritical I can do nothing but laugh. I had to laugh when Strathclyde police had to shut down their facebook messaging because they were swamped with complaints by people being offended on facebook. To think you can get a police force in Scotland who have no jurisdiction over the site based in America to do any more than ask facebook nicely to take it down is laughable. People were then having a go at the Strathclyde police department for not doing their job!
[quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nuttynech[/bold] wrote: You CAN see the posts without signing to it as it just pops up on news feed ! Fact! I've seen and and think its discusting and disturbing tht we have so many I'll headed people in our world! Makes me wonder if anyone on this site has actually lost a child their selfs ?? Probably not, infancy who would want to have a child with someone who am make such jokes[/p][/quote]Block it then you have the freedom to do so. Click on the cross by the post and block all from this page. If you read the previous posts you will see that that some people who have lost their own children use the humour as coping mechanism. There are quite a few women who use the joke page as an outlet for their grief, laughter is the best medicine after all. Different people have different senses of humour and nobody can say what is funny and what is not funny as it's subjective. You have the freedom to voice your opinion and express your disgust at it, you are also free not to view it. Others also have the freedom to do the opposite. What is right or wrong is not for you to decide on a factual basis, it is merely your opinion which you are entitled to.[/p][/quote]I am sorry, but I cant actually see any mother who has lost a child find any jokes about dead babies funny in the slightest... if they do, then I dread to think what sort of mother they would have been. I know, in a lot of lifes situations, jokes can be funny, however the death of a child, which has been experienced by any parent, mother or father, could never be funny. To be fair, if there are people posting on that page to say they are a mother who has lost a child and using the page as a coping mechanism (I cant confirm if this is true as I have never looked at the page's content) is probably more fake accounts and are as sick as some of the individuals posting images of dead babies etc.[/p][/quote]Like you said, you cannot confirm that this is true because you have never visited the page. Like I keep iterating, humour is subjective and what people to do to cope is up to them. Whether you agree or not is a different matter. Just because you have the opinion that it is wrong does not mean they share the same opinion as you. Also jumping to conclusions about what the mother is like a person based solely on they sense of humour is dangerous and narrow minded.[/p][/quote]Dangerous?! Okay, if you say so! Narrow minded, maybe, but I would like to think that the majority of people who have lost a child would never find any humor from that situation. I lost my mother when I was just 3 years old, I would never find a joke regarding that circumstance funny, however jokes about fat mums and things along those lines, (I personally dont roll around the floor laughing), can see the funny side. However a joke about a dead baby when experiencing that loss, I just cant fathom how they would find a place within their heart to laugh or even crack a smile. I am not a parent, so maybe I cant relate to it, but I can guarantee I would not find images of dead babies, jokes about a fellow parents who have lost a child or children, funny in the slightest. As you say my opinion and I will sure as hell stick by it.[/p][/quote]I completely respect your opinion. Maybe the word 'dangerous' was a little over the top, I just think of things with religion and general narrow mindedness of people could possibly lead to dangerous situations. I am new parent myself and whilst the thought of losing my daughter is unfathomable I can still appreciate the 'dark' humour for what it is. I personally know people who have been in that situation and can still appreciate the jokes, That doesn't make them a bad person. It is not like the day after you go around their house and start reeling off dead baby jokes but I know people who have accepted their loss and have moved on with their lives and do not find these jokes offensive (as they do not attack them personally) and have a laugh at the jokes themselves. The humour comes from the shock factor, "I can't believe you said that" kinda thing, very much like comedians Franky Boyle, Jimmy Carr, Roy Chubby Brown etc. who do use material like this. Understandable it is not to everyone's taste however, and people are free to express their disapproval of them just as people are free to tell the jokes in the first place.[/p][/quote]Yes and I 100% agree with you on the freedom of speech etc etc and the fact that if people didnt go and look at this page, then they wouldnt find it offensive. I have never heard any of the mentioned comedians use any jokes about dead babies. Babies/children who have illnesses, deformed etc, all things close to the mark, but I have never come across one which is about a dead baby. Maybe I haven't seen enough of their material. So feel free to correct me. I am going to see Franky Boyle in October, so maybe I will listen out for one and see if I do laugh or not. I am one for all un PC jokes and I do tend to laugh at anything which is even the tiniest bit funny, but I think dead babies would seriously draw the line. Possibly because I have too much empathy to 'appreciate' such jokes.[/p][/quote](removed the quote as it was huge!) Jimmy Carr has certainly used similar material and I know Franky Boyle got himself into trouble for making comments about Jordan's disabled child. Whether this is worse than a joke about a fictitious dead baby is another debate in it itself. Chubby Brown was more of a sexist and disabled joke kind of person but some people find him offensive. Again, whether a joke about a real disabled person is worse than a fictitious dead entity is up for debate and a matter of opinion. I personally find the page entertaining, not because of the jokes but because of the people hating the page constructing arguments unsuccessfully and looking like idiots. Comments like "OMG ur sooo sck, get off fb now. Hope ur kidz die in a fire" is so hypocritical I can do nothing but laugh. I had to laugh when Strathclyde police had to shut down their facebook messaging because they were swamped with complaints by people being offended on facebook. To think you can get a police force in Scotland who have no jurisdiction over the site based in America to do any more than ask facebook nicely to take it down is laughable. People were then having a go at the Strathclyde police department for not doing their job! NeoMag

1:53pm Thu 9 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

Apologies, looks like the 'remove quote' button doesn't work when posting a message.
Apologies, looks like the 'remove quote' button doesn't work when posting a message. NeoMag

1:58pm Thu 9 Aug 12

tinyone says...

I know what you mean about the 'disgusted peoples' comments. I cant even bring myself to go on the page, not only because that humor doesnt interest me, but because I will get so annoyed at those posts. If you dont like the page, dont go on it and you wont be offended.

As the meerkat would say - SIMPLES!
I know what you mean about the 'disgusted peoples' comments. I cant even bring myself to go on the page, not only because that humor doesnt interest me, but because I will get so annoyed at those posts. If you dont like the page, dont go on it and you wont be offended. As the meerkat would say - SIMPLES! tinyone

2:04pm Thu 9 Aug 12

r6keith says...

APR wrote:
If you don't like it, don't look. What do you expect from Facebook ? I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
I would suspect that operating a computer key board of any sort with a barge pole to nigh impossible so you have no worrys about getting on facebook. I on the other hand find it a great tool for keeping in touch with family and friends around the world .
[quote][p][bold]APR[/bold] wrote: If you don't like it, don't look. What do you expect from Facebook ? I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.[/p][/quote]I would suspect that operating a computer key board of any sort with a barge pole to nigh impossible so you have no worrys about getting on facebook. I on the other hand find it a great tool for keeping in touch with family and friends around the world . r6keith

2:09pm Thu 9 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

tinyone wrote:
I know what you mean about the 'disgusted peoples' comments. I cant even bring myself to go on the page, not only because that humor doesnt interest me, but because I will get so annoyed at those posts. If you dont like the page, dont go on it and you wont be offended.

As the meerkat would say - SIMPLES!
More like 'discusted peoples' comments as that's how the majority of them think disgusted is spelled. I agree with you whole heartedly, if you don't like it, don't view it. Squid makes me ill therefore I don't eat it. If certain jokes offend you, don't go looking for them. SIMPLES :-)
[quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: I know what you mean about the 'disgusted peoples' comments. I cant even bring myself to go on the page, not only because that humor doesnt interest me, but because I will get so annoyed at those posts. If you dont like the page, dont go on it and you wont be offended. As the meerkat would say - SIMPLES![/p][/quote]More like 'discusted peoples' comments as that's how the majority of them think disgusted is spelled. I agree with you whole heartedly, if you don't like it, don't view it. Squid makes me ill therefore I don't eat it. If certain jokes offend you, don't go looking for them. SIMPLES :-) NeoMag

2:40pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Cazzle says...

it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard!
it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard! Cazzle

2:44pm Thu 9 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

Cazzle wrote:
it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard!
The difference is the joke was targeted directly at the person, the premise of the page on FB is to post jokes about fictitious entities that do not exist and do not directly target an individual. Surely that is easy to understand? There is quite a big difference.
[quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard![/p][/quote]The difference is the joke was targeted directly at the person, the premise of the page on FB is to post jokes about fictitious entities that do not exist and do not directly target an individual. Surely that is easy to understand? There is quite a big difference. NeoMag

2:47pm Thu 9 Aug 12

tinyone says...

Cazzle wrote:
it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard!
Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies.

From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook.

I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry!
[quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard![/p][/quote]Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry! tinyone

2:52pm Thu 9 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

tinyone wrote:
Cazzle wrote:
it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard!
Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies.

From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook.

I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry!
Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.
[quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard![/p][/quote]Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry![/p][/quote]Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend. NeoMag

2:58pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Blind Haze says...

NeoMag wrote:
tinyone wrote:
Cazzle wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard!
Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry!
Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.
You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.
[quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard![/p][/quote]Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry![/p][/quote]Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.[/p][/quote]You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime. Blind Haze

2:58pm Thu 9 Aug 12

tinyone says...

NeoMag wrote:
tinyone wrote:
Cazzle wrote:
it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard!
Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies.

From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook.

I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry!
Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.
Exactly :)
As much as I disagree with the humor used on the page, I understand exactly everyone's argument on how the page shouldnt be banned. I very much think it is in bad taste and I do not condone it at all, however the page itself is not to blame, it is the people posting to it.

And again, I will say, if you dont like it, as I dont, DONT LOOK AT THE PAGE AND READ THE 'JOKES' then you wont be horrified by the content! Its not difficult ;)
[quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard![/p][/quote]Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry![/p][/quote]Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.[/p][/quote]Exactly :) As much as I disagree with the humor used on the page, I understand exactly everyone's argument on how the page shouldnt be banned. I very much think it is in bad taste and I do not condone it at all, however the page itself is not to blame, it is the people posting to it. And again, I will say, if you dont like it, as I dont, DONT LOOK AT THE PAGE AND READ THE 'JOKES' then you wont be horrified by the content! Its not difficult ;) tinyone

2:59pm Thu 9 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
tinyone wrote:
Cazzle wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard!
Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry!
Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.
You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.
Telling a joke though is not a crime is it?
[quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard![/p][/quote]Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry![/p][/quote]Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.[/p][/quote]You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.[/p][/quote]Telling a joke though is not a crime is it? NeoMag

3:01pm Thu 9 Aug 12

tinyone says...

Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
tinyone wrote:
Cazzle wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard!
Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry!
Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.
You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.
If people, like the people who post these jokes, used graffiti on your garden wall to write jokes of this nature, would you agree that it is your fault and should be arrested?
[quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard![/p][/quote]Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry![/p][/quote]Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.[/p][/quote]You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.[/p][/quote]If people, like the people who post these jokes, used graffiti on your garden wall to write jokes of this nature, would you agree that it is your fault and should be arrested? tinyone

3:01pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Blind Haze says...

NeoMag wrote:
Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
tinyone wrote:
Cazzle wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard!
Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry!
Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.
You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.
Telling a joke though is not a crime is it?
So why the comparison with the crime in a coffee shop?
[quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard![/p][/quote]Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry![/p][/quote]Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.[/p][/quote]You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.[/p][/quote]Telling a joke though is not a crime is it?[/p][/quote]So why the comparison with the crime in a coffee shop? Blind Haze

3:07pm Thu 9 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
tinyone wrote:
Cazzle wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard!
Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry!
Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.
You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.
Telling a joke though is not a crime is it?
So why the comparison with the crime in a coffee shop?
Ok let me put it in more detail. A man attacks another another man in the coffee shop (coffee shop owner is not involved and not encouraging illegal behaviour). The coffee shop owner phone's the police. The coffee shop owner does not get arrested for it does he? The guy who commited the offence does.

I assumed by your comment that you are implying that the page is encouraging people to commit a crime, which it is not. It is there to share jokes, which last time I checked, wasn't a crime.
[quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard![/p][/quote]Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry![/p][/quote]Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.[/p][/quote]You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.[/p][/quote]Telling a joke though is not a crime is it?[/p][/quote]So why the comparison with the crime in a coffee shop?[/p][/quote]Ok let me put it in more detail. A man attacks another another man in the coffee shop (coffee shop owner is not involved and not encouraging illegal behaviour). The coffee shop owner phone's the police. The coffee shop owner does not get arrested for it does he? The guy who commited the offence does. I assumed by your comment that you are implying that the page is encouraging people to commit a crime, which it is not. It is there to share jokes, which last time I checked, wasn't a crime. NeoMag

3:14pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Blind Haze says...

NeoMag wrote:
Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
tinyone wrote:
Cazzle wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard!
Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry!
Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.
You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.
Telling a joke though is not a crime is it?
So why the comparison with the crime in a coffee shop?
Ok let me put it in more detail. A man attacks another another man in the coffee shop (coffee shop owner is not involved and not encouraging illegal behaviour). The coffee shop owner phone's the police. The coffee shop owner does not get arrested for it does he? The guy who commited the offence does. I assumed by your comment that you are implying that the page is encouraging people to commit a crime, which it is not. It is there to share jokes, which last time I checked, wasn't a crime.
Of course you wouldn't arrest the coffee shop owner, he has not encouraged anyone to fight. This webpage encourages people to post jokes about dead babies.

As you said, posting jokes isn't a crime so why are you comparing illegal activities with legal activities and condoning it by saying you'd get arrested for one but not the other? It makes for a terrible simile.
[quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard![/p][/quote]Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry![/p][/quote]Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.[/p][/quote]You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.[/p][/quote]Telling a joke though is not a crime is it?[/p][/quote]So why the comparison with the crime in a coffee shop?[/p][/quote]Ok let me put it in more detail. A man attacks another another man in the coffee shop (coffee shop owner is not involved and not encouraging illegal behaviour). The coffee shop owner phone's the police. The coffee shop owner does not get arrested for it does he? The guy who commited the offence does. I assumed by your comment that you are implying that the page is encouraging people to commit a crime, which it is not. It is there to share jokes, which last time I checked, wasn't a crime.[/p][/quote]Of course you wouldn't arrest the coffee shop owner, he has not encouraged anyone to fight. This webpage encourages people to post jokes about dead babies. As you said, posting jokes isn't a crime so why are you comparing illegal activities with legal activities and condoning it by saying you'd get arrested for one but not the other? It makes for a terrible simile. Blind Haze

3:21pm Thu 9 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
tinyone wrote:
Cazzle wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard!
Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry!
Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.
You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.
Telling a joke though is not a crime is it?
So why the comparison with the crime in a coffee shop?
Ok let me put it in more detail. A man attacks another another man in the coffee shop (coffee shop owner is not involved and not encouraging illegal behaviour). The coffee shop owner phone's the police. The coffee shop owner does not get arrested for it does he? The guy who commited the offence does. I assumed by your comment that you are implying that the page is encouraging people to commit a crime, which it is not. It is there to share jokes, which last time I checked, wasn't a crime.
Of course you wouldn't arrest the coffee shop owner, he has not encouraged anyone to fight. This webpage encourages people to post jokes about dead babies.

As you said, posting jokes isn't a crime so why are you comparing illegal activities with legal activities and condoning it by saying you'd get arrested for one but not the other? It makes for a terrible simile.
I really don't get what you are getting at. You seem not to understand my comparison.
1) The coffee shop owner is comparable the page, not encouraging any illegal activity etc.
2) Illegal activity occurs in the shop (i.e. the page) for instance some individual harassing another
3) The individual has action taken against him not the owner.

The page is not at fault and is not encouraging any sort of illegal activity. If individuals decide to break the rules then they are dealt with accordingly.

Seems pretty clear to me.
[quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard![/p][/quote]Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry![/p][/quote]Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.[/p][/quote]You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.[/p][/quote]Telling a joke though is not a crime is it?[/p][/quote]So why the comparison with the crime in a coffee shop?[/p][/quote]Ok let me put it in more detail. A man attacks another another man in the coffee shop (coffee shop owner is not involved and not encouraging illegal behaviour). The coffee shop owner phone's the police. The coffee shop owner does not get arrested for it does he? The guy who commited the offence does. I assumed by your comment that you are implying that the page is encouraging people to commit a crime, which it is not. It is there to share jokes, which last time I checked, wasn't a crime.[/p][/quote]Of course you wouldn't arrest the coffee shop owner, he has not encouraged anyone to fight. This webpage encourages people to post jokes about dead babies. As you said, posting jokes isn't a crime so why are you comparing illegal activities with legal activities and condoning it by saying you'd get arrested for one but not the other? It makes for a terrible simile.[/p][/quote]I really don't get what you are getting at. You seem not to understand my comparison. 1) The coffee shop owner is comparable the page, not encouraging any illegal activity etc. 2) Illegal activity occurs in the shop (i.e. the page) for instance some individual harassing another 3) The individual has action taken against him not the owner. The page is not at fault and is not encouraging any sort of illegal activity. If individuals decide to break the rules then they are dealt with accordingly. Seems pretty clear to me. NeoMag

3:25pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Blind Haze says...

NeoMag wrote:
Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
tinyone wrote:
Cazzle wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard!
Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry!
Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.
You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.
Telling a joke though is not a crime is it?
So why the comparison with the crime in a coffee shop?
Ok let me put it in more detail. A man attacks another another man in the coffee shop (coffee shop owner is not involved and not encouraging illegal behaviour). The coffee shop owner phone's the police. The coffee shop owner does not get arrested for it does he? The guy who commited the offence does. I assumed by your comment that you are implying that the page is encouraging people to commit a crime, which it is not. It is there to share jokes, which last time I checked, wasn't a crime.
Of course you wouldn't arrest the coffee shop owner, he has not encouraged anyone to fight. This webpage encourages people to post jokes about dead babies. As you said, posting jokes isn't a crime so why are you comparing illegal activities with legal activities and condoning it by saying you'd get arrested for one but not the other? It makes for a terrible simile.
I really don't get what you are getting at. You seem not to understand my comparison. 1) The coffee shop owner is comparable the page, not encouraging any illegal activity etc. 2) Illegal activity occurs in the shop (i.e. the page) for instance some individual harassing another 3) The individual has action taken against him not the owner. The page is not at fault and is not encouraging any sort of illegal activity. If individuals decide to break the rules then they are dealt with accordingly. Seems pretty clear to me.
The coffee shop encourages people to buy coffee. Not a crime. The webpage encourages people to post morally suspect jokes. Not a crime.

Why did you bring illegal activities into into this - the 2 scenarios are completely incomparable.
[quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard![/p][/quote]Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry![/p][/quote]Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.[/p][/quote]You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.[/p][/quote]Telling a joke though is not a crime is it?[/p][/quote]So why the comparison with the crime in a coffee shop?[/p][/quote]Ok let me put it in more detail. A man attacks another another man in the coffee shop (coffee shop owner is not involved and not encouraging illegal behaviour). The coffee shop owner phone's the police. The coffee shop owner does not get arrested for it does he? The guy who commited the offence does. I assumed by your comment that you are implying that the page is encouraging people to commit a crime, which it is not. It is there to share jokes, which last time I checked, wasn't a crime.[/p][/quote]Of course you wouldn't arrest the coffee shop owner, he has not encouraged anyone to fight. This webpage encourages people to post jokes about dead babies. As you said, posting jokes isn't a crime so why are you comparing illegal activities with legal activities and condoning it by saying you'd get arrested for one but not the other? It makes for a terrible simile.[/p][/quote]I really don't get what you are getting at. You seem not to understand my comparison. 1) The coffee shop owner is comparable the page, not encouraging any illegal activity etc. 2) Illegal activity occurs in the shop (i.e. the page) for instance some individual harassing another 3) The individual has action taken against him not the owner. The page is not at fault and is not encouraging any sort of illegal activity. If individuals decide to break the rules then they are dealt with accordingly. Seems pretty clear to me.[/p][/quote]The coffee shop encourages people to buy coffee. Not a crime. The webpage encourages people to post morally suspect jokes. Not a crime. Why did you bring illegal activities into into this - the 2 scenarios are completely incomparable. Blind Haze

3:29pm Thu 9 Aug 12

NeoMag says...

Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
Blind Haze wrote:
NeoMag wrote:
tinyone wrote:
Cazzle wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard!
Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry!
Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.
You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.
Telling a joke though is not a crime is it?
So why the comparison with the crime in a coffee shop?
Ok let me put it in more detail. A man attacks another another man in the coffee shop (coffee shop owner is not involved and not encouraging illegal behaviour). The coffee shop owner phone's the police. The coffee shop owner does not get arrested for it does he? The guy who commited the offence does. I assumed by your comment that you are implying that the page is encouraging people to commit a crime, which it is not. It is there to share jokes, which last time I checked, wasn't a crime.
Of course you wouldn't arrest the coffee shop owner, he has not encouraged anyone to fight. This webpage encourages people to post jokes about dead babies. As you said, posting jokes isn't a crime so why are you comparing illegal activities with legal activities and condoning it by saying you'd get arrested for one but not the other? It makes for a terrible simile.
I really don't get what you are getting at. You seem not to understand my comparison. 1) The coffee shop owner is comparable the page, not encouraging any illegal activity etc. 2) Illegal activity occurs in the shop (i.e. the page) for instance some individual harassing another 3) The individual has action taken against him not the owner. The page is not at fault and is not encouraging any sort of illegal activity. If individuals decide to break the rules then they are dealt with accordingly. Seems pretty clear to me.
The coffee shop encourages people to buy coffee. Not a crime. The webpage encourages people to post morally suspect jokes. Not a crime.

Why did you bring illegal activities into into this - the 2 scenarios are completely incomparable.
Ah maybe you didn't see the posts before hand. People are calling for page to be closed down because some individuals are posting jokes on this page which attack individuals. Attacking an individual is against the ToC's of FB and constitutes and offence. People are getting confused and saying it is the page's fault where it is not. If the individual commits the offence they are dealt with appropriately. This is why FB have released a statement saying that as the page does not break any of it's ToC's it is not removing it. Hope that clears it up.
[quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Haze[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NeoMag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinyone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cazzle[/bold] wrote: it is interesting to note that on Twitter a guy is targeting jokes at Gary Barlow - Louis Walsh has started a Twitter frenzy to get the guy banned from Twitter .....so the difference between a dead baby joke page on FB publishing the same jokes and this guy on twitter is ???? Answers on a postcard![/p][/quote]Because this particular individual is targeting another individual and not just posting a general 'joke' about dead babies. From what I have read on here and have heard, it is not the page on facebook that is publishing the jokes, it is other individuals posting the jokes on that page, so it is those individuals that should be reported and may then be banned/removed from facebook. I feel I used the word individual too many times.... sorry![/p][/quote]Spot on. The issue is, the actual PAGE is about sharing these jokes about fictitious babies that do not exist. The actual PAGE posts very little, INDIVIDUALS post to the PAGE. If these people break the rules they will be dealt with appropriately. It's a bit like, say a crime occurs in a coffee shop, you don't arrest the owner of the coffee shop, you arrest the individuals who commited the crime. This seems to be a concept that people trying to get the page shut down do not comprehend.[/p][/quote]You would arrest the coffee shop owner if he were inciting and encouraging people to commit crime.[/p][/quote]Telling a joke though is not a crime is it?[/p][/quote]So why the comparison with the crime in a coffee shop?[/p][/quote]Ok let me put it in more detail. A man attacks another another man in the coffee shop (coffee shop owner is not involved and not encouraging illegal behaviour). The coffee shop owner phone's the police. The coffee shop owner does not get arrested for it does he? The guy who commited the offence does. I assumed by your comment that you are implying that the page is encouraging people to commit a crime, which it is not. It is there to share jokes, which last time I checked, wasn't a crime.[/p][/quote]Of course you wouldn't arrest the coffee shop owner, he has not encouraged anyone to fight. This webpage encourages people to post jokes about dead babies. As you said, posting jokes isn't a crime so why are you comparing illegal activities with legal activities and condoning it by saying you'd get arrested for one but not the other? It makes for a terrible simile.[/p][/quote]I really don't get what you are getting at. You seem not to understand my comparison. 1) The coffee shop owner is comparable the page, not encouraging any illegal activity etc. 2) Illegal activity occurs in the shop (i.e. the page) for instance some individual harassing another 3) The individual has action taken against him not the owner. The page is not at fault and is not encouraging any sort of illegal activity. If individuals decide to break the rules then they are dealt with accordingly. Seems pretty clear to me.[/p][/quote]The coffee shop encourages people to buy coffee. Not a crime. The webpage encourages people to post morally suspect jokes. Not a crime. Why did you bring illegal activities into into this - the 2 scenarios are completely incomparable.[/p][/quote]Ah maybe you didn't see the posts before hand. People are calling for page to be closed down because some individuals are posting jokes on this page which attack individuals. Attacking an individual is against the ToC's of FB and constitutes and offence. People are getting confused and saying it is the page's fault where it is not. If the individual commits the offence they are dealt with appropriately. This is why FB have released a statement saying that as the page does not break any of it's ToC's it is not removing it. Hope that clears it up. NeoMag

5:35pm Thu 9 Aug 12

Sean4u says...

Could
your
web
developer
consider
doing
something
about
the
right
margin
on
blockquote?

Some
of
the
threads
above
are
unreadable!
Could your web developer consider doing something about the right margin on blockquote? Some of the threads above are unreadable! Sean4u

7:22pm Thu 9 Aug 12

APR says...

I don't even bother trying :(
I don't even bother trying :( APR

1:18pm Fri 10 Aug 12

sav25 says...

rich.carol wrote:
You can only read sick baby death jokes if you sign up for this group. It does not just appear on your facebook account. To read these sick jokes you must sign up to them and add them as friends to your account. I haven't seen any because I haven't clicked add as a friend. If you sign up to Sex, ****, Rape sites etc etc then you will receive a message saying thank you for your registration to join the group. Its like watching TV, if there is a programme on channel 5 about atrocities at Auschwitz and it upsets it or offends or distresses you then you don't click your remote on channel 5. Same principal with facebook. Sick baby jokes don't just appear unless you sign up and click yes please I want to add this group to my favourites. My ipad only receives what I sign up to. As I said I don't want these sick groups as friends, I don't click YES PLEASE sign me up to any groups I do not want.
Wrong. If a 'friend' likes or posts in the group, you see that in your news feed
[quote][p][bold]rich.carol[/bold] wrote: You can only read sick baby death jokes if you sign up for this group. It does not just appear on your facebook account. To read these sick jokes you must sign up to them and add them as friends to your account. I haven't seen any because I haven't clicked add as a friend. If you sign up to Sex, ****, Rape sites etc etc then you will receive a message saying thank you for your registration to join the group. Its like watching TV, if there is a programme on channel 5 about atrocities at Auschwitz and it upsets it or offends or distresses you then you don't click your remote on channel 5. Same principal with facebook. Sick baby jokes don't just appear unless you sign up and click yes please I want to add this group to my favourites. My ipad only receives what I sign up to. As I said I don't want these sick groups as friends, I don't click YES PLEASE sign me up to any groups I do not want.[/p][/quote]Wrong. If a 'friend' likes or posts in the group, you see that in your news feed sav25

1:19pm Sun 12 Aug 12

Cazzle says...

Try reporting the individuals that post attacks on other people or who publish graphic photo's - it is an absolute nightmare- hundreds of us have complained about one individual and he is still on Facebook !!! I think FB have had that many complaints about people with false identities - for eg there is a 'ian huntly (without the 'e') with ian huntley's photo as a profile picture and he is posting vile photo's /and attacking other people - he hasn't been removed as yet. I know others are being sent graphic photo's directly to their facebook inbox - this is totally wrong - it's getting out of hand now !
Try reporting the individuals that post attacks on other people or who publish graphic photo's - it is an absolute nightmare- hundreds of us have complained about one individual and he is still on Facebook !!! I think FB have had that many complaints about people with false identities - for eg there is a 'ian huntly (without the 'e') with ian huntley's photo as a profile picture and he is posting vile photo's /and attacking other people - he hasn't been removed as yet. I know others are being sent graphic photo's directly to their facebook inbox - this is totally wrong - it's getting out of hand now ! Cazzle

5:47am Fri 17 Aug 12

Blenko says...

Hilariously, the "angry Mum" has had her massive (94000 member) "Get Dead Baby Jokes Page Banned" Facebook group deleted because it was being used to incite hateful attacks against the DBJ group which, as a group, has broken no rules.
Hilariously, the "angry Mum" has had her massive (94000 member) "Get Dead Baby Jokes Page Banned" Facebook group deleted because it was being used to incite hateful attacks against the DBJ group which, as a group, has broken no rules. Blenko

7:26pm Sun 19 Aug 12

Frankiii says...

I'm offended by this article, where do I complain?
I'm offended by this article, where do I complain? Frankiii

9:20pm Mon 20 Aug 12

v.randy says...

Don't go near facebook unless you enjoy strangers commenting on your life.
If you do then expect a % of them to enjoy the chance to hide facelessly behind their fake names and post vile comments..it;s so easy..you don't even need a stamp.
Clearly to many people in this country are hooked on FB and it aint healthy.Close your accounts and meet real people it might surprise you how rewarding real life is.
Don't go near facebook unless you enjoy strangers commenting on your life. If you do then expect a % of them to enjoy the chance to hide facelessly behind their fake names and post vile comments..it;s so easy..you don't even need a stamp. Clearly to many people in this country are hooked on FB and it aint healthy.Close your accounts and meet real people it might surprise you how rewarding real life is. v.randy

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