£3.5m seafront cliffs repair work to start (From Echo)

its good that its getting fixed....

im sure people will complain....

thats what they do...

So why could not SBC have done these cliff slip repairs before now. How is it they suddenly have the budget since the Museam has been past because as yet I hav'nt read that they have the money to build the museam. And still it might not get it.
Leaving the cliffs in the state they have been for so long has been a dis-service to the people of this town. They should have and could have been fixed years ago.

Broadwaywatch wrote:
So why could not SBC have done these cliff slip repairs before now. How is it they suddenly have the budget since the Museam has been past because as yet I hav'nt read that they have the money to build the museam. And still it might not get it. Leaving the cliffs in the state they have been for so long has been a dis-service to the people of this town. They should have and could have been fixed years ago.

The funding was not available, designing the landscaping and retaining wall, drawing up a work schedule, getting a contract drawn up and sent out to tender and the Better Southend scheme taking place.

Forgot to mention that the people living near the works site want the cliffs fixed but none of the inconvenience of the work...

Well people we do not have Star Trek transporters yet so can’t just beam the fix in to place get over it.

Max Impact wrote:

Broadwaywatch wrote: So why could not SBC have done these cliff slip repairs before now. How is it they suddenly have the budget since the Museam has been past because as yet I hav'nt read that they have the money to build the museam. And still it might not get it. Leaving the cliffs in the state they have been for so long has been a dis-service to the people of this town. They should have and could have been fixed years ago.

The funding was not available, designing the landscaping and retaining wall, drawing up a work schedule, getting a contract drawn up and sent out to tender and the Better Southend scheme taking place.

max 1 broadway z zero

I hope they get rid of the underground stream that caused the cliffs to slip,
or it will be a waste of money.

firedog wrote:
I hope they get rid of the underground stream that caused the cliffs to slip, or it will be a waste of money.

I found an old map in my loft the other day that showed the way to the underground stream.

According to the map, you enter a complex series of caves and tunnels through a disused well behind the Victoria Memorial. If the map and legend are to be believed, these lead you to an opening at the foot of the stream known to be the final resting place of the Essex pirate One Eyed Dave and his treasure trove of Razzle magazines, shell suits, Cortina badges and the last known case of Babycham stolen from the basement of Tots.

Come on, I know the whiners are just waiting to cry about this.
So let's here it, let's hear all about how bad it is that the cliffs are getting repaired. I don't know, maybe you can say that it's 'ruining the aesthetic of the town', I know how much you love to use that old chestnut.
Or how about making references to cockles and deck chairs, just to show us how horribly out of touch you all are? Please, let's just get it over with. I've already resigned myself to you cretins trying to ruin absolutely EVERYTHING positive in Southend, so let's hear all about how unhappy you are.

how much did they spend on that artist's impression?

Was a team of consultants consulted regarding the picture?

Eric Whim wrote:
how much did they spend on that artist's impression? Was a team of consultants consulted regarding the picture?

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

So are you saying the council should employ somebody full time to do the artist impressions of any council project.

So when nothing is planned do they get kept on and paid for sitting at home doing nothing or do they get sacked and re-hired each time they are needed.

Anyone see the comment from Ware-Lane about the sail trucks being a "slap in the face" to those against the proposals for the museum, well he he can come up with a diffrent route for them to take I'm sure the council would like to know.

Surely we all welcome something finally being done about the cliffs. The closure of part of the Western Esplanade gardens has been an embarassment for nearly a decade. It is an eyesore that reflects badly on the town. As a town centre resident I'm happy to put up with a bit of disruption to get it fixed.

Max Impact wrote:

Broadwaywatch wrote:
So why could not SBC have done these cliff slip repairs before now. How is it they suddenly have the budget since the Museam has been past because as yet I hav'nt read that they have the money to build the museam. And still it might not get it. Leaving the cliffs in the state they have been for so long has been a dis-service to the people of this town. They should have and could have been fixed years ago.

The funding was not available, designing the landscaping and retaining wall, drawing up a work schedule, getting a contract drawn up and sent out to tender and the Better Southend scheme taking place.

They spent millions on pier hill which could have been spent on the cliffs. Once the museum is built and the hotel on the site of the esplanade pub is built then the flood gates will open. We will soon have a sea front like Benidorm

bignosechaff wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Broadwaywatch wrote:
So why could not SBC have done these cliff slip repairs before now. How is it they suddenly have the budget since the Museam has been past because as yet I hav'nt read that they have the money to build the museam. And still it might not get it. Leaving the cliffs in the state they have been for so long has been a dis-service to the people of this town. They should have and could have been fixed years ago.

The funding was not available, designing the landscaping and retaining wall, drawing up a work schedule, getting a contract drawn up and sent out to tender and the Better Southend scheme taking place.

They spent millions on pier hill which could have been spent on the cliffs. Once the museum is built and the hotel on the site of the esplanade pub is built then the flood gates will open. We will soon have a sea front like Benidorm

Its good they are repairing the cliffs but they should have done it when it happened not when it suits their museum plans

"But several so-called “muck trucks” will also be needed to move the unwanted earth to a temporary storage area, where it will be kept until tentative plans to build new flood defence across Shoebury Common have been finalised."

This leads me to one question - Where is this "temporary storage area" going to be located ???

Saxonpride wrote:
Come on, I know the whiners are just waiting to cry about this.
So let's here it, let's hear all about how bad it is that the cliffs are getting repaired. I don't know, maybe you can say that it's 'ruining the aesthetic of the town', I know how much you love to use that old chestnut.
Or how about making references to cockles and deck chairs, just to show us how horribly out of touch you all are? Please, let's just get it over with. I've already resigned myself to you cretins trying to ruin absolutely EVERYTHING positive in Southend, so let's hear all about how unhappy you are.

Dunno about anyone else but you sound miserable as fcuk.

Great it's being fixed, so can we have the Bandstand back in the original location please. It certainly pulled in the punters.

Just waiting for all the Moaners & Groaners to slag this long awaited development off!!
It may well cause disruption for a few months, but what difference, at least Southend will have a seafront we can all enjoy & be proud of!!
Come on Moaners, let's be having you !!

Richy don't shine shoes no more wrote:

firedog wrote:
I hope they get rid of the underground stream that caused the cliffs to slip, or it will be a waste of money.

I found an old map in my loft the other day that showed the way to the underground stream.

According to the map, you enter a complex series of caves and tunnels through a disused well behind the Victoria Memorial. If the map and legend are to be believed, these lead you to an opening at the foot of the stream known to be the final resting place of the Essex pirate One Eyed Dave and his treasure trove of Razzle magazines, shell suits, Cortina badges and the last known case of Babycham stolen from the basement of Tots.

Hey you Guys. Lets go find the treasure. We'll find ourselves a Sloth. Then we'll all do the truffle shuffle. But we'll have to watch out for the Fratelli's cos they'll be hot on our heels all the way.

£3.5 million......... Really! I detect some inflated costs here.

bignosechaff wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Broadwaywatch wrote: So why could not SBC have done these cliff slip repairs before now. How is it they suddenly have the budget since the Museam has been past because as yet I hav'nt read that they have the money to build the museam. And still it might not get it. Leaving the cliffs in the state they have been for so long has been a dis-service to the people of this town. They should have and could have been fixed years ago.

The funding was not available, designing the landscaping and retaining wall, drawing up a work schedule, getting a contract drawn up and sent out to tender and the Better Southend scheme taking place.

They spent millions on pier hill which could have been spent on the cliffs. Once the museum is built and the hotel on the site of the esplanade pub is built then the flood gates will open. We will soon have a sea front like Benidorm

Because the funds came from Europe regeneration objective two funding and it had to be spent on the project it was asked for, it could not be redirected into another project.

If the council had asked for the funding for the cliffs it would have been refused as Pier Hill was regeneration and the Cliff Gardens would have been restoration.

Why people are stating as "fact" the museum will open the floodgates to more building proves they are scaremingering as the land is owned by the council any planning application refused and appealed will still have to get permission from the land owner even if the Home Sec passes the plans the council hold all the card as the land owner.

It will not be the start of major building program.

Max Impact wrote:

bignosechaff wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Broadwaywatch wrote: So why could not SBC have done these cliff slip repairs before now. How is it they suddenly have the budget since the Museam has been past because as yet I hav'nt read that they have the money to build the museam. And still it might not get it. Leaving the cliffs in the state they have been for so long has been a dis-service to the people of this town. They should have and could have been fixed years ago.

The funding was not available, designing the landscaping and retaining wall, drawing up a work schedule, getting a contract drawn up and sent out to tender and the Better Southend scheme taking place.

They spent millions on pier hill which could have been spent on the cliffs. Once the museum is built and the hotel on the site of the esplanade pub is built then the flood gates will open. We will soon have a sea front like Benidorm

Because the funds came from Europe regeneration objective two funding and it had to be spent on the project it was asked for, it could not be redirected into another project.

If the council had asked for the funding for the cliffs it would have been refused as Pier Hill was regeneration and the Cliff Gardens would have been restoration.

Why people are stating as "fact" the museum will open the floodgates to more building proves they are scaremingering as the land is owned by the council any planning application refused and appealed will still have to get permission from the land owner even if the Home Sec passes the plans the council hold all the card as the land owner.

It will not be the start of major building program.

Do you work for the council?

'V' wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

bignosechaff wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Broadwaywatch wrote: So why could not SBC have done these cliff slip repairs before now. How is it they suddenly have the budget since the Museam has been past because as yet I hav'nt read that they have the money to build the museam. And still it might not get it. Leaving the cliffs in the state they have been for so long has been a dis-service to the people of this town. They should have and could have been fixed years ago.

The funding was not available, designing the landscaping and retaining wall, drawing up a work schedule, getting a contract drawn up and sent out to tender and the Better Southend scheme taking place.

They spent millions on pier hill which could have been spent on the cliffs. Once the museum is built and the hotel on the site of the esplanade pub is built then the flood gates will open. We will soon have a sea front like Benidorm

Because the funds came from Europe regeneration objective two funding and it had to be spent on the project it was asked for, it could not be redirected into another project. If the council had asked for the funding for the cliffs it would have been refused as Pier Hill was regeneration and the Cliff Gardens would have been restoration. Why people are stating as "fact" the museum will open the floodgates to more building proves they are scaremingering as the land is owned by the council any planning application refused and appealed will still have to get permission from the land owner even if the Home Sec passes the plans the council hold all the card as the land owner. It will not be the start of major building program.

Do you work for the council?

Don't start that that again youu know I don't V or is it "V in the Vicinity"...

Look back over the countless posts and you will see I am a diver who welds under water why would the council need somebody with my skills?

I pointed out facts, facts that anyone could have checked on themselfs.

hmmm..

12 meter heavy duty RSJ £150 x 20 £3000

pile driver hire + operator £1000 per day x 10 days for piling in the steels £10,000.

cross sections and other steal work £8000

labourers wage x10 @ £9.60 per hour working 8 hours per day

9.60 x 8 x 5 x 10 = £3,840 per week

engineers x 3 project manager x1

engineers @ 15.80 per hour

15.80 x 8 x 5 x 3 = £1896

project manager @ 21.00 per hour

21 x 8 x 5 = £840 per week...

i think you know where i'm going with this...

why 3.5 million to re-enforce the cliffs and an additional 2.5 million to dump the spoil as (flood defences) off shoebury. that's a six million pound package. the contractor must be very happy, or laughing.. laughing all the way to the bank.

Max Impact wrote:

'V' wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

bignosechaff wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Broadwaywatch wrote: So why could not SBC have done these cliff slip repairs before now. How is it they suddenly have the budget since the Museam has been past because as yet I hav'nt read that they have the money to build the museam. And still it might not get it. Leaving the cliffs in the state they have been for so long has been a dis-service to the people of this town. They should have and could have been fixed years ago.

The funding was not available, designing the landscaping and retaining wall, drawing up a work schedule, getting a contract drawn up and sent out to tender and the Better Southend scheme taking place.

They spent millions on pier hill which could have been spent on the cliffs. Once the museum is built and the hotel on the site of the esplanade pub is built then the flood gates will open. We will soon have a sea front like Benidorm

Because the funds came from Europe regeneration objective two funding and it had to be spent on the project it was asked for, it could not be redirected into another project. If the council had asked for the funding for the cliffs it would have been refused as Pier Hill was regeneration and the Cliff Gardens would have been restoration. Why people are stating as "fact" the museum will open the floodgates to more building proves they are scaremingering as the land is owned by the council any planning application refused and appealed will still have to get permission from the land owner even if the Home Sec passes the plans the council hold all the card as the land owner. It will not be the start of major building program.

Do you work for the council?

Don't start that that again youu know I don't V or is it "V in the Vicinity"...

Look back over the countless posts and you will see I am a diver who welds under water why would the council need somebody with my skills?

I pointed out facts, facts that anyone could have checked on themselfs.

It was a genuine question. You appear to have insights into the council's thinking the rest of us don't. You also support the council in everything it does.

The only conclusion I can make is you either work for the council or you are a councillor.

I mean no disrespect.

It only takes a few seconds to Google the facts behind the rebuilding of Pier Hill why could Broadwaywatch not have taken those few seconds to look for the facts himself before moaning about it on here.

I have told people time and again that I am a Hyperbaric Welder and the Lead Marine Design Engineer for the compnay I work for (with anyluck not for much longer) ;)

Why would the council employ somebody that can weld the bottom of a boat or a gas/oil rig whilst it is still at sea.

There was a guy on here who went by the name of "V in the Vicinity" every posting I made he asked that same question as you did so seing your name "V" and the same question...

jayman wrote:
hmmm..

12 meter heavy duty RSJ £150 x 20 £3000

pile driver hire + operator £1000 per day x 10 days for piling in the steels £10,000.

cross sections and other steal work £8000

labourers wage x10 @ £9.60 per hour working 8 hours per day

9.60 x 8 x 5 x 10 = £3,840 per week

engineers x 3 project manager x1

engineers @ 15.80 per hour

15.80 x 8 x 5 x 3 = £1896

project manager @ 21.00 per hour

21 x 8 x 5 = £840 per week...

i think you know where i'm going with this...

why 3.5 million to re-enforce the cliffs and an additional 2.5 million to dump the spoil as (flood defences) off shoebury. that's a six million pound package. the contractor must be very happy, or laughing.. laughing all the way to the bank.

Do you really think its that easy?

If so why did you not put a bid in for the work?

Did you put together a complete H&S risk assessment (Boo Hiss)

Did you take GPS readings of where all the positioning of all the piles will need to be?

Did you check on the exacting strength of the piles needed, the lengths, the type of walls to be built?

Did you work out what size crew you will need?

What facilitys will the workmen need?

You really are a bellend.

Max Impact wrote:

jayman wrote:
hmmm..

12 meter heavy duty RSJ £150 x 20 £3000

pile driver hire + operator £1000 per day x 10 days for piling in the steels £10,000.

cross sections and other steal work £8000

labourers wage x10 @ £9.60 per hour working 8 hours per day

9.60 x 8 x 5 x 10 = £3,840 per week

engineers x 3 project manager x1

engineers @ 15.80 per hour

15.80 x 8 x 5 x 3 = £1896

project manager @ 21.00 per hour

21 x 8 x 5 = £840 per week...

i think you know where i'm going with this...

why 3.5 million to re-enforce the cliffs and an additional 2.5 million to dump the spoil as (flood defences) off shoebury. that's a six million pound package. the contractor must be very happy, or laughing.. laughing all the way to the bank.

Do you really think its that easy?

If so why did you not put a bid in for the work?

Did you put together a complete H&S risk assessment (Boo Hiss)

Did you take GPS readings of where all the positioning of all the piles will need to be?

Did you check on the exacting strength of the piles needed, the lengths, the type of walls to be built?

Did you work out what size crew you will need?

What facilitys will the workmen need?

You really are a bellend.

they didn't need GPS when they built the embankment in London.. Brunel didn't need GPS when he built the south west railway, Bazalgette didn't need GPS when he built the south sewer in London. these where projects much bigger then a few piles and where much more skilfully planned and executed.

high grade carbon iron alloy or (steel) one inch thick has 2836 lbs per cubic inch strength.

get two blokes with one theodolite to calculate the mass of soil that requires underpinning.

adjust the thickness / spacing of RSJ's accordingly.

H&S risk assessment!.. people who work in risk or H&S act as if they are a dark art.. you could have one banged out in a day.

facilities? portaloo and a site office.. if the council use there facilities to store equipment they (us the tax payers) will make a saving.

always good to see the true arrogance of Tory back bencher's. a group of the slime bags where saying that British workers are lazy..

NO.

British councils are wasteful and our management is pathetic. a mere shadow of what it used to be during a time when we used to actually make stuff in this country..

jayman wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

jayman wrote:
hmmm..

12 meter heavy duty RSJ £150 x 20 £3000

pile driver hire + operator £1000 per day x 10 days for piling in the steels £10,000.

cross sections and other steal work £8000

labourers wage x10 @ £9.60 per hour working 8 hours per day

9.60 x 8 x 5 x 10 = £3,840 per week

engineers x 3 project manager x1

engineers @ 15.80 per hour

15.80 x 8 x 5 x 3 = £1896

project manager @ 21.00 per hour

21 x 8 x 5 = £840 per week...

i think you know where i'm going with this...

why 3.5 million to re-enforce the cliffs and an additional 2.5 million to dump the spoil as (flood defences) off shoebury. that's a six million pound package. the contractor must be very happy, or laughing.. laughing all the way to the bank.

Do you really think its that easy?

If so why did you not put a bid in for the work?

Did you put together a complete H&S risk assessment (Boo Hiss)

Did you take GPS readings of where all the positioning of all the piles will need to be?

Did you check on the exacting strength of the piles needed, the lengths, the type of walls to be built?

Did you work out what size crew you will need?

What facilitys will the workmen need?

You really are a bellend.

they didn't need GPS when they built the embankment in London.. Brunel didn't need GPS when he built the south west railway, Bazalgette didn't need GPS when he built the south sewer in London. these where projects much bigger then a few piles and where much more skilfully planned and executed.

high grade carbon iron alloy or (steel) one inch thick has 2836 lbs per cubic inch strength.

get two blokes with one theodolite to calculate the mass of soil that requires underpinning.

adjust the thickness / spacing of RSJ's accordingly.

H&S risk assessment!.. people who work in risk or H&S act as if they are a dark art.. you could have one banged out in a day.

facilities? portaloo and a site office.. if the council use there facilities to store equipment they (us the tax payers) will make a saving.

always good to see the true arrogance of Tory back bencher's. a group of the slime bags where saying that British workers are lazy..

NO.

British councils are wasteful and our management is pathetic. a mere shadow of what it used to be during a time when we used to actually make stuff in this country..

also.. if the council employed an in-house pro project manager, instead of blindly trusting the favoured bids, and given the high volume of money Southend council spend on capital projects. Temp employed the builders and the engineers, hired the equipment themselves and did this under the banner of Southend council. guess how much waste (profit) they would be paying to a contractor 0% and guess how much value for money the tax payer would get 99% (because there is always room for improvement..

guess how many apprentices could work on site and gain skills.. As many as possible.

and would this be an accountable and responsible way of spending money from the public purse..

YES..

So employ somebody who would just be sat at a desk when there are no capital projects on the go...

You would moan about somebody being paid for just sitting at their desk.

Also I beleve work such as those under taken so far must by law be sent out to tender so an inhouse manager would not legally be able to pick a company out of yellow pages to under take the work proposed.

What is said to be valued at £4,680,000?

The worth of trees removed from the Cliff Slip acording to a member of the save our cliffs group...

Were they gold plated with diamond leafs?

How did they get to this numner... Well they used Goverment figures and an estimation of the munber of trees removed... really very acurate then.

Our Blog is now live come and say hello.

http://antisouthendn
imbys.weebly.com/

Max Impact wrote:
So employ somebody who would just be sat at a desk when there are no capital projects on the go...

You would moan about somebody being paid for just sitting at their desk.

Also I beleve work such as those under taken so far must by law be sent out to tender so an inhouse manager would not legally be able to pick a company out of yellow pages to under take the work proposed.

i would rather the council had an in house professional then a whole host of failed projects..

just look at the warrior square cafe (now empty) its roof was supposed to be a mechanical flower folding contraption.

had the council had any clue, or a pro on hand to give them a clue, they would have soon realised that the mechanism was a complicated absurdity and could have never functioned, as the design was utter Bo11ocks.

i could go on listing the number of failures the council have embarked upon within the realm of capital spending but the echo's servers would be overloaded by the sheer volume of information contained within the post.

Anti Southend Nimbys wrote:
What is said to be valued at £4,680,000?

The worth of trees removed from the Cliff Slip acording to a member of the save our cliffs group...

Were they gold plated with diamond leafs?

How did they get to this numner... Well they used Goverment figures and an estimation of the munber of trees removed... really very acurate then.

Our Blog is now live come and say hello.

http://antisouthendn

imbys.weebly.com/

hi Anna... thanks for that...

Max Impact wrote:
So employ somebody who would just be sat at a desk when there are no capital projects on the go...

You would moan about somebody being paid for just sitting at their desk.

Also I beleve work such as those under taken so far must by law be sent out to tender so an inhouse manager would not legally be able to pick a company out of yellow pages to under take the work proposed.

also max... i know this may be an alien concept. but.... southend council ''''becomes the building company'''' and undertakes the work minus the usual inflated private company profit.

source the equipment, materials and temp manpower.

then makes a massive saving. we all make a saving..

nothing in the law that says councils cant undertake work themselves. its just councillors tend to work on the principle of nods and favours..

jayman wrote:

Anti Southend Nimbys wrote:
What is said to be valued at £4,680,000?

The worth of trees removed from the Cliff Slip acording to a member of the save our cliffs group...

Were they gold plated with diamond leafs?

How did they get to this numner... Well they used Goverment figures and an estimation of the munber of trees removed... really very acurate then.

Our Blog is now live come and say hello.

http://antisouthendn


imbys.weebly.com/

hi Anna... thanks for that...

Jayman, We are not Anna, we are non-political, we speak to you in a voice of enlightenment, your mind is closed, your eyes do not see, your ears do not hear, they might in your mind but in the reality of the truth they are blind and death.


For you have been indoctrinated by the cognitive strategies of the darkling’s who foretell of doom and grave dangers, those that seed the scaremongering thoughts that are not of truth but are of factious misguidance.


You need to learn that your mind is clouded and that there is another path one that will lead you into the light one that shall free the shackles that hold you down one that will let your mind become a place of enlightened thought.


You know not of us but one thing we are not blue, we are not red, yellow, green or of no discernible colour, your tarring of us in to one corner is the action of a fool.

Anti Southend Nimbys,
you should go through your website with a spell checker. I know that it means nothing in the world but doesn't look good if you are trying to be taken seriously (even in a tongue in cheek fashion)

Have to admit though it is a fun little website!

Guess there will be some unhappy people looking at it, wonder if there will be any legal action in the offing about its content.

You can get all the muck cleared for £130. Just pay a signmaker to make a huge sign saying...
WARNING Do not remove any earth as you may disturb the copper cables 18 inches below the surface.

And what about the Bandstage. Thats a true landmark that should be replaced and in its original position. It would not be just oap,s using it for afternoon tangos and waltzes.. I am sure the younger generation would massively benefit from a new bandstage. Probably was a money loser in years gone by. But sure it would bring in some cash nowadays.