Cops use Olympic wheels to nab island’s villains

12:00pm Wednesday 19th September 2012 in Local News By Laura Smith

PC Adam Clarke, PC Jon Holland and Sgt Marc McQuade PC Adam Clarke, PC Jon Holland and Sgt Marc McQuade

AN Olympic legacy has been left in Castle Point where police can be seen out on Olympic bikes.

A team of ten cycling officers was set up as part of London 2012, but is now set to remain in place.

In the past month they have caught five suspected burglars and conducted regular patrols around antisocial behaviour hotspots.

Sgt Marc McQuade, of Benfleet police, said they had used bicycles occasionally before the Olympics, but now it was every day.

He said: “Because of the Olympics, we were given cycling equipment conducive to cycling in the heat. Before we would do some cycling, but it would be in our normal uniform. Now we’ve got proper shorts and waterproofs.”

He said it had particularly helped where there are alleyways they can use, including around the Winter Gardens estate.

He said: “When you’re in a car you drive past and might miss things. Recently we got someone going around the streets and in the alleyways on a child’s motorised bike with no insurance and no tax. He has been reported for traffic offences.”

He added officers had been covering up to 20 miles a day.

They had focused on Winter Gardens and around the Freshway store, in Third Avenue, which has suffered problems with antisocial behaviour. Groups of teenagers hang around outside, which can be intimidating to passers-by.

Sgt McQuade said: “There’s an awful lot of nice people over there and they just want more of a visible presence, and when you’re in a car they don’t see you.

“When you’re cycling slowly past these places they see you often. The more they see us at Freshway, the better it is for the community because it puts off the youths who create problems.”

Officers also say because they are so visible they are flagged down by members of the public, who give them intelligence.

Comments (28)

12:41pm Wed 19 Sep 12

whataday says...

In view of yestgerday's events it might have been better if their olympic legacy was the gunds from clay pigeon shooting or bows and arrows from archery
In view of yestgerday's events it might have been better if their olympic legacy was the gunds from clay pigeon shooting or bows and arrows from archery whataday

12:49pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Eric Whim says...

I trust that thes cycling coppers aren't cycling on the footpath.....
I trust that thes cycling coppers aren't cycling on the footpath..... Eric Whim

12:56pm Wed 19 Sep 12

marshman says...

Eric Whim wrote:
I trust that thes cycling coppers aren't cycling on the footpath.....
Why not? Everyone else does.
[quote][p][bold]Eric Whim[/bold] wrote: I trust that thes cycling coppers aren't cycling on the footpath.....[/p][/quote]Why not? Everyone else does. marshman

2:04pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Nebs says...

I like the poll on the other police story....
In the wake of the shooting of two police officers in Greater Manchester yesterday, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed.
If they run it at a different time, asking.....
In the wake of the shooting of an innocent person in London by armed Police Officers, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed.
...I wonder if the result would be different.
I like the poll on the other police story.... In the wake of the shooting of two police officers in Greater Manchester yesterday, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed. If they run it at a different time, asking..... In the wake of the shooting of an innocent person in London by armed Police Officers, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed. ...I wonder if the result would be different. Nebs

2:28pm Wed 19 Sep 12

perini says...

Nebs wrote:
I like the poll on the other police story.... In the wake of the shooting of two police officers in Greater Manchester yesterday, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed. If they run it at a different time, asking..... In the wake of the shooting of an innocent person in London by armed Police Officers, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed. ...I wonder if the result would be different.
Can't quite remember the incident where the Police shot an innocent man!
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: I like the poll on the other police story.... In the wake of the shooting of two police officers in Greater Manchester yesterday, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed. If they run it at a different time, asking..... In the wake of the shooting of an innocent person in London by armed Police Officers, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed. ...I wonder if the result would be different.[/p][/quote]Can't quite remember the incident where the Police shot an innocent man! perini

2:54pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Son of stropmag says...

This is a great idea but those bikes must be quite valuable. How long before one is stolen?
This is a great idea but those bikes must be quite valuable. How long before one is stolen? Son of stropmag

2:56pm Wed 19 Sep 12

APR says...

Nice bit of publicity for the police in Castle Point.

Even better if they still have the bikes by this time next year.
Nice bit of publicity for the police in Castle Point. Even better if they still have the bikes by this time next year. APR

3:32pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Nebs says...

APR wrote:
Nice bit of publicity for the police in Castle Point.

Even better if they still have the bikes by this time next year.
The Chief Constable of Essex, when he took up post, said in this newspaper that he had a bicycle and plans to get out on the streets of Essex to meet as many local people as he can. Maybe it got nicked before he reached Southend.
http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/southend/4645018.
Police_chief_outline
s___his_major_object
ives/
[quote][p][bold]APR[/bold] wrote: Nice bit of publicity for the police in Castle Point. Even better if they still have the bikes by this time next year.[/p][/quote]The Chief Constable of Essex, when he took up post, said in this newspaper that he had a bicycle and plans to get out on the streets of Essex to meet as many local people as he can. Maybe it got nicked before he reached Southend. http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/4645018. Police_chief_outline s___his_major_object ives/ Nebs

3:38pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Nebs says...

perini wrote:
Nebs wrote:
I like the poll on the other police story.... In the wake of the shooting of two police officers in Greater Manchester yesterday, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed. If they run it at a different time, asking..... In the wake of the shooting of an innocent person in London by armed Police Officers, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed. ...I wonder if the result would be different.
Can't quite remember the incident where the Police shot an innocent man!
Try Google. Even the Daily Mail publish the stories.
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
123713/Gunman-shot-d
ead-police-carrying-
table-leg-bag.html
Then there was that chap at the underground station.
[quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: I like the poll on the other police story.... In the wake of the shooting of two police officers in Greater Manchester yesterday, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed. If they run it at a different time, asking..... In the wake of the shooting of an innocent person in London by armed Police Officers, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed. ...I wonder if the result would be different.[/p][/quote]Can't quite remember the incident where the Police shot an innocent man![/p][/quote]Try Google. Even the Daily Mail publish the stories. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 123713/Gunman-shot-d ead-police-carrying- table-leg-bag.html Then there was that chap at the underground station. Nebs

6:10pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Eric Whim says...

they'll need longer episodes of Police Interceptors once they start filming with the bike patrol......
they'll need longer episodes of Police Interceptors once they start filming with the bike patrol...... Eric Whim

6:45pm Wed 19 Sep 12

Brunning999 says...

Bloody remarkable Police Officers using bikes !!

It is normally a news story every 3 to 5 years when some new keen Senior Police Officer has a new initiative and them moves on going higher up the ladder.

What has happened to all the other bikes that have appeared in The Echo as a new iniative over the last 40 years.
Bloody remarkable Police Officers using bikes !! It is normally a news story every 3 to 5 years when some new keen Senior Police Officer has a new initiative and them moves on going higher up the ladder. What has happened to all the other bikes that have appeared in The Echo as a new iniative over the last 40 years. Brunning999

7:33pm Wed 19 Sep 12

EssexPerson says...

Nebs wrote:
perini wrote:
Nebs wrote:
I like the poll on the other police story.... In the wake of the shooting of two police officers in Greater Manchester yesterday, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed. If they run it at a different time, asking..... In the wake of the shooting of an innocent person in London by armed Police Officers, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed. ...I wonder if the result would be different.
Can't quite remember the incident where the Police shot an innocent man!
Try Google. Even the Daily Mail publish the stories.
http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

123713/Gunman-shot-d

ead-police-carrying-

table-leg-bag.html
Then there was that chap at the underground station.
Not only have you dug up a story from a 1999 killing where the officers were cleared of all charges, but you only point to an article that relates to an inquest that was still on going.
FYI here is the final verdict http://www.guardian.
co.uk/world/2006/feb
/09/ukguns.uk
Fact is armed officers are highly trained to give plenty of warnings to the armed suspect and to shot as last resort to protect their or the public lives.
IMO more officers should be armed but not maybe not all.
Regardless, these two officers deaths are a waste and my sympathies to their families and friends.
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]perini[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: I like the poll on the other police story.... In the wake of the shooting of two police officers in Greater Manchester yesterday, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed. If they run it at a different time, asking..... In the wake of the shooting of an innocent person in London by armed Police Officers, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed. ...I wonder if the result would be different.[/p][/quote]Can't quite remember the incident where the Police shot an innocent man![/p][/quote]Try Google. Even the Daily Mail publish the stories. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 123713/Gunman-shot-d ead-police-carrying- table-leg-bag.html Then there was that chap at the underground station.[/p][/quote]Not only have you dug up a story from a 1999 killing where the officers were cleared of all charges, but you only point to an article that relates to an inquest that was still on going. FYI here is the final verdict http://www.guardian. co.uk/world/2006/feb /09/ukguns.uk Fact is armed officers are highly trained to give plenty of warnings to the armed suspect and to shot as last resort to protect their or the public lives. IMO more officers should be armed but not maybe not all. Regardless, these two officers deaths are a waste and my sympathies to their families and friends. EssexPerson

8:53pm Wed 19 Sep 12

E -Types says...

Brunning999 wrote:
Bloody remarkable Police Officers using bikes !!

It is normally a news story every 3 to 5 years when some new keen Senior Police Officer has a new initiative and them moves on going higher up the ladder.

What has happened to all the other bikes that have appeared in The Echo as a new iniative over the last 40 years.
Most were sold for scrap.
[quote][p][bold]Brunning999[/bold] wrote: Bloody remarkable Police Officers using bikes !! It is normally a news story every 3 to 5 years when some new keen Senior Police Officer has a new initiative and them moves on going higher up the ladder. What has happened to all the other bikes that have appeared in The Echo as a new iniative over the last 40 years.[/p][/quote]Most were sold for scrap. E -Types

9:11pm Wed 19 Sep 12

DogsMessInLeigh says...

excellent decision keeping these chaps on bikes, please cycle round Leigh and westcliff too, keep em peeled and you will spot things, nothing like seeing the police on foot or bikes to add a better feeling of security...Bravo to you Sgt and your men...crime won't crack itself.
excellent decision keeping these chaps on bikes, please cycle round Leigh and westcliff too, keep em peeled and you will spot things, nothing like seeing the police on foot or bikes to add a better feeling of security...Bravo to you Sgt and your men...crime won't crack itself. DogsMessInLeigh

8:07am Thu 20 Sep 12

Basildon.lad.21 says...

I still think a police car is more of a deterrent then a Idiot (policeman) on a bike. The sound of revving engines and sirens is alot more intimidating then the sound of a bell. And what happens if Mr lawful falls off and seriously hurts himself? It be the first headline to make the echo first thing in the morning.
I still think a police car is more of a deterrent then a Idiot (policeman) on a bike. The sound of revving engines and sirens is alot more intimidating then the sound of a bell. And what happens if Mr lawful falls off and seriously hurts himself? It be the first headline to make the echo first thing in the morning. Basildon.lad.21

8:13am Thu 20 Sep 12

Basildon.lad.21 says...

Nebs wrote:
I like the poll on the other police story....
In the wake of the shooting of two police officers in Greater Manchester yesterday, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed.
If they run it at a different time, asking.....
In the wake of the shooting of an innocent person in London by armed Police Officers, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed.
...I wonder if the result would be different.
I agree there. Dont forget the Ian Tomlinson one back in 2009 too. And the cop gets found not guilty. No wonder why the public are starting to undermine the police service.
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: I like the poll on the other police story.... In the wake of the shooting of two police officers in Greater Manchester yesterday, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed. If they run it at a different time, asking..... In the wake of the shooting of an innocent person in London by armed Police Officers, we ask, should all our police officers now be armed. ...I wonder if the result would be different.[/p][/quote]I agree there. Dont forget the Ian Tomlinson one back in 2009 too. And the cop gets found not guilty. No wonder why the public are starting to undermine the police service. Basildon.lad.21

4:42pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Soouthchurch59 says...

Knee-jerk reactions in light of recent events are not unexpected but it's worth remembering, that no policeman/woman has been convicted of a death in custody in the UK since 1969.
Knee-jerk reactions in light of recent events are not unexpected but it's worth remembering, that no policeman/woman has been convicted of a death in custody in the UK since 1969. Soouthchurch59

4:45pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Soouthchurch59 says...

Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Knee-jerk reactions in light of recent events are not unexpected but it's worth remembering, that no policeman/woman has been convicted of a death in custody in the UK since 1969.
1,433 people who have died either in police custody or following other contact with the police, since 1990.
[quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: Knee-jerk reactions in light of recent events are not unexpected but it's worth remembering, that no policeman/woman has been convicted of a death in custody in the UK since 1969.[/p][/quote]1,433 people who have died either in police custody or following other contact with the police, since 1990. Soouthchurch59

4:47pm Thu 20 Sep 12

Soouthchurch59 says...

Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Knee-jerk reactions in light of recent events are not unexpected but it's worth remembering, that no policeman/woman has been convicted of a death in custody in the UK since 1969.
1,433 people who have died either in police custody or following other contact with the police, since 1990.
Scales of Justice?
[quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: Knee-jerk reactions in light of recent events are not unexpected but it's worth remembering, that no policeman/woman has been convicted of a death in custody in the UK since 1969.[/p][/quote]1,433 people who have died either in police custody or following other contact with the police, since 1990.[/p][/quote]Scales of Justice? Soouthchurch59

2:41pm Fri 21 Sep 12

APR says...

Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Knee-jerk reactions in light of recent events are not unexpected but it's worth remembering, that no policeman/woman has been convicted of a death in custody in the UK since 1969.
1,433 people who have died either in police custody or following other contact with the police, since 1990.
It's rather a meaningless statistic without details.
[quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: Knee-jerk reactions in light of recent events are not unexpected but it's worth remembering, that no policeman/woman has been convicted of a death in custody in the UK since 1969.[/p][/quote]1,433 people who have died either in police custody or following other contact with the police, since 1990.[/p][/quote]It's rather a meaningless statistic without details. APR

4:07pm Fri 21 Sep 12

E- Types. says...

Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Knee-jerk reactions in light of recent events are not unexpected but it's worth remembering, that no policeman/woman has been convicted of a death in custody in the UK since 1969.
1,433 people who have died either in police custody or following other contact with the police, since 1990.
My uncle was one of them, he asked a copper for the time and later that same day he died of a heart attack.
[quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: Knee-jerk reactions in light of recent events are not unexpected but it's worth remembering, that no policeman/woman has been convicted of a death in custody in the UK since 1969.[/p][/quote]1,433 people who have died either in police custody or following other contact with the police, since 1990.[/p][/quote]My uncle was one of them, he asked a copper for the time and later that same day he died of a heart attack. E- Types.

11:11pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Alec Cikes says...

It's great to hear that coppers are using bikes going about their daily business (as in Amsterdam). I'm sure that great detail is picked up this way rather than using cars, within certain circumstances.

Being unarmed is our culture & not a solution towards creating more violence.
It's great to hear that coppers are using bikes going about their daily business (as in Amsterdam). I'm sure that great detail is picked up this way rather than using cars, within certain circumstances. Being unarmed is our culture & not a solution towards creating more violence. Alec Cikes

11:27pm Sat 22 Sep 12

E-Types... says...

E- Types. wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
Knee-jerk reactions in light of recent events are not unexpected but it's worth remembering, that no policeman/woman has been convicted of a death in custody in the UK since 1969.
1,433 people who have died either in police custody or following other contact with the police, since 1990.
My uncle was one of them, he asked a copper for the time and later that same day he died of a heart attack.
Little birdy says you might be spending sometime with "a copper" in a short period of time...
[quote][p][bold]E- Types.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: Knee-jerk reactions in light of recent events are not unexpected but it's worth remembering, that no policeman/woman has been convicted of a death in custody in the UK since 1969.[/p][/quote]1,433 people who have died either in police custody or following other contact with the police, since 1990.[/p][/quote]My uncle was one of them, he asked a copper for the time and later that same day he died of a heart attack.[/p][/quote]Little birdy says you might be spending sometime with "a copper" in a short period of time... E-Types...

12:59pm Tue 25 Sep 12

iknowbetter says...

The American cops have it right!!
They shot and killed a man in a wheelchair who had no legs and only one arm, he used the other arm to point a Biro pen at an officer who then shot and killed the man.
**
All UK police should be armed with taser's .
The American cops have it right!! They shot and killed a man in a wheelchair who had no legs and only one arm, he used the other arm to point a Biro pen at an officer who then shot and killed the man. ** All UK police should be armed with taser's . iknowbetter

8:06pm Tue 25 Sep 12

E-Types... says...

iknowbetter wrote:
The American cops have it right!!
They shot and killed a man in a wheelchair who had no legs and only one arm, he used the other arm to point a Biro pen at an officer who then shot and killed the man.
**
All UK police should be armed with taser's .
" All UK police should be armed with taser's"

Or perhaps Biro pens as they are obviously Dangerous.

The American police are hated and feared by their 'customers'

British Police police by consent and thus not force...80% of police said they did not want to carry firearms (although tasers are considered firearms as is the gas they carry)

Do we want the UK to ring out day and night with shots back and forth between the police and criminals?

Police are still respected, to an extent, by most in this country.. why risk changing that?
[quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: The American cops have it right!! They shot and killed a man in a wheelchair who had no legs and only one arm, he used the other arm to point a Biro pen at an officer who then shot and killed the man. ** All UK police should be armed with taser's .[/p][/quote]" All UK police should be armed with taser's" Or perhaps Biro pens as they are obviously Dangerous. The American police are hated and feared by their 'customers' British Police police by consent and thus not force...80% of police said they did not want to carry firearms (although tasers are considered firearms as is the gas they carry) Do we want the UK to ring out day and night with shots back and forth between the police and criminals? Police are still respected, to an extent, by most in this country.. why risk changing that? E-Types...

8:43pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Camp Incontinent says...

E-Types... wrote:
iknowbetter wrote:
The American cops have it right!!
They shot and killed a man in a wheelchair who had no legs and only one arm, he used the other arm to point a Biro pen at an officer who then shot and killed the man.
**
All UK police should be armed with taser's .
" All UK police should be armed with taser's"

Or perhaps Biro pens as they are obviously Dangerous.

The American police are hated and feared by their 'customers'

British Police police by consent and thus not force...80% of police said they did not want to carry firearms (although tasers are considered firearms as is the gas they carry)

Do we want the UK to ring out day and night with shots back and forth between the police and criminals?

Police are still respected, to an extent, by most in this country.. why risk changing that?
You ask "Do we want the UK to ring out day and night with shots back and forth between the police and criminals?"

What a ridiculous question !

I have spent a great deal of my life travelling in mainland Europe where every policeman is armed. Never have I seen arms drawn let alone heard a shot fired !

Are you suggesting that the police of other democratic countries such as France, Italy, Holland, Belgium and Germany do not police by consent because they are armed ?
[quote][p][bold]E-Types...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: The American cops have it right!! They shot and killed a man in a wheelchair who had no legs and only one arm, he used the other arm to point a Biro pen at an officer who then shot and killed the man. ** All UK police should be armed with taser's .[/p][/quote]" All UK police should be armed with taser's" Or perhaps Biro pens as they are obviously Dangerous. The American police are hated and feared by their 'customers' British Police police by consent and thus not force...80% of police said they did not want to carry firearms (although tasers are considered firearms as is the gas they carry) Do we want the UK to ring out day and night with shots back and forth between the police and criminals? Police are still respected, to an extent, by most in this country.. why risk changing that?[/p][/quote]You ask "Do we want the UK to ring out day and night with shots back and forth between the police and criminals?" What a ridiculous question ! I have spent a great deal of my life travelling in mainland Europe where every policeman is armed. Never have I seen arms drawn let alone heard a shot fired ! Are you suggesting that the police of other democratic countries such as France, Italy, Holland, Belgium and Germany do not police by consent because they are armed ? Camp Incontinent

11:38pm Tue 25 Sep 12

E-Types... says...

Camp Incontinent wrote:
E-Types... wrote:
iknowbetter wrote:
The American cops have it right!!
They shot and killed a man in a wheelchair who had no legs and only one arm, he used the other arm to point a Biro pen at an officer who then shot and killed the man.
**
All UK police should be armed with taser's .
" All UK police should be armed with taser's"

Or perhaps Biro pens as they are obviously Dangerous.

The American police are hated and feared by their 'customers'

British Police police by consent and thus not force...80% of police said they did not want to carry firearms (although tasers are considered firearms as is the gas they carry)

Do we want the UK to ring out day and night with shots back and forth between the police and criminals?

Police are still respected, to an extent, by most in this country.. why risk changing that?
You ask "Do we want the UK to ring out day and night with shots back and forth between the police and criminals?"

What a ridiculous question !

I have spent a great deal of my life travelling in mainland Europe where every policeman is armed. Never have I seen arms drawn let alone heard a shot fired !

Are you suggesting that the police of other democratic countries such as France, Italy, Holland, Belgium and Germany do not police by consent because they are armed ?
So because you have 'travelled' a bit you think asking such a question is ridiculous? Why?
Would it of been any less ridiculous if you hadn't backpacked over the continent?

I see... so if you have never experienced " arms drawn let alone heard a shot fired" it doesn't occur?

I mentioned the consent/force in context to the American police. Not any European country.

Btw... you didn't answer the question?
[quote][p][bold]Camp Incontinent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: The American cops have it right!! They shot and killed a man in a wheelchair who had no legs and only one arm, he used the other arm to point a Biro pen at an officer who then shot and killed the man. ** All UK police should be armed with taser's .[/p][/quote]" All UK police should be armed with taser's" Or perhaps Biro pens as they are obviously Dangerous. The American police are hated and feared by their 'customers' British Police police by consent and thus not force...80% of police said they did not want to carry firearms (although tasers are considered firearms as is the gas they carry) Do we want the UK to ring out day and night with shots back and forth between the police and criminals? Police are still respected, to an extent, by most in this country.. why risk changing that?[/p][/quote]You ask "Do we want the UK to ring out day and night with shots back and forth between the police and criminals?" What a ridiculous question ! I have spent a great deal of my life travelling in mainland Europe where every policeman is armed. Never have I seen arms drawn let alone heard a shot fired ! Are you suggesting that the police of other democratic countries such as France, Italy, Holland, Belgium and Germany do not police by consent because they are armed ?[/p][/quote]So because you have 'travelled' a bit you think asking such a question is ridiculous? Why? Would it of been any less ridiculous if you hadn't backpacked over the continent? I see... so if you have never experienced " arms drawn let alone heard a shot fired" it doesn't occur? I mentioned the consent/force in context to the American police. Not any European country. Btw... you didn't answer the question? E-Types...

6:23am Wed 26 Sep 12

Camp Incontinent says...

E-Types... wrote:
Camp Incontinent wrote:
E-Types... wrote:
iknowbetter wrote:
The American cops have it right!!
They shot and killed a man in a wheelchair who had no legs and only one arm, he used the other arm to point a Biro pen at an officer who then shot and killed the man.
**
All UK police should be armed with taser's .
" All UK police should be armed with taser's"

Or perhaps Biro pens as they are obviously Dangerous.

The American police are hated and feared by their 'customers'

British Police police by consent and thus not force...80% of police said they did not want to carry firearms (although tasers are considered firearms as is the gas they carry)

Do we want the UK to ring out day and night with shots back and forth between the police and criminals?

Police are still respected, to an extent, by most in this country.. why risk changing that?
You ask "Do we want the UK to ring out day and night with shots back and forth between the police and criminals?"

What a ridiculous question !

I have spent a great deal of my life travelling in mainland Europe where every policeman is armed. Never have I seen arms drawn let alone heard a shot fired !

Are you suggesting that the police of other democratic countries such as France, Italy, Holland, Belgium and Germany do not police by consent because they are armed ?
So because you have 'travelled' a bit you think asking such a question is ridiculous? Why?
Would it of been any less ridiculous if you hadn't backpacked over the continent?

I see... so if you have never experienced " arms drawn let alone heard a shot fired" it doesn't occur?

I mentioned the consent/force in context to the American police. Not any European country.

Btw... you didn't answer the question?
If you were to travel a little more you might (just might) learn to take on a more balanced and realistic view of life. It is clear that your arguments are based neither on experience nor reason. So, off you go, pack your bags and be on your way.
[quote][p][bold]E-Types...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Camp Incontinent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iknowbetter[/bold] wrote: The American cops have it right!! They shot and killed a man in a wheelchair who had no legs and only one arm, he used the other arm to point a Biro pen at an officer who then shot and killed the man. ** All UK police should be armed with taser's .[/p][/quote]" All UK police should be armed with taser's" Or perhaps Biro pens as they are obviously Dangerous. The American police are hated and feared by their 'customers' British Police police by consent and thus not force...80% of police said they did not want to carry firearms (although tasers are considered firearms as is the gas they carry) Do we want the UK to ring out day and night with shots back and forth between the police and criminals? Police are still respected, to an extent, by most in this country.. why risk changing that?[/p][/quote]You ask "Do we want the UK to ring out day and night with shots back and forth between the police and criminals?" What a ridiculous question ! I have spent a great deal of my life travelling in mainland Europe where every policeman is armed. Never have I seen arms drawn let alone heard a shot fired ! Are you suggesting that the police of other democratic countries such as France, Italy, Holland, Belgium and Germany do not police by consent because they are armed ?[/p][/quote]So because you have 'travelled' a bit you think asking such a question is ridiculous? Why? Would it of been any less ridiculous if you hadn't backpacked over the continent? I see... so if you have never experienced " arms drawn let alone heard a shot fired" it doesn't occur? I mentioned the consent/force in context to the American police. Not any European country. Btw... you didn't answer the question?[/p][/quote]If you were to travel a little more you might (just might) learn to take on a more balanced and realistic view of life. It is clear that your arguments are based neither on experience nor reason. So, off you go, pack your bags and be on your way. Camp Incontinent

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