A hundred police raid Southend nightclub

1:19am Saturday 22nd September 2012 in Local News Exclusive By Laura Smith

A hundred police raid Southend nightclub A hundred police raid Southend nightclub

A HUNDRED police officers have raided a Southend nightclub in a hunt for drugs.

They stormed Mayhem, in Warrior Square, and switched on the lights before clearing all clubbers out.

They had to pass through police sniffer dogs on their way out, before the mounted unit helped disperse the crowd.

Officers had searched 20 people by 1am but no arrests had been made and no drugs seized.

Search teams were then sent into the club to see if any drugs were inside.

The operation involved nine police carriers, at least nine marked cars, and officers on motorbikes.

The Echo attended the operation following a briefing at Southend police station.

FOR FULL STORY SEE MONDAY'S ECHO.

Comments (179)

2:13am Sat 22 Sep 12

jasper2013 says...

9 marked vehicles I walked pass and counted 26 police cars and vans 2 mounted officers and an ambulance
9 marked vehicles I walked pass and counted 26 police cars and vans 2 mounted officers and an ambulance jasper2013

2:15am Sat 22 Sep 12

Basildon.lad.21 says...

What a waste of time. No drugs found, no one even arrested. Police taking things to far once again. No wonder why the public are starting to undermine the police force. And even if a bit of 'coke' or 'weed' was found, its just people having a good time on a Friday night.
What a waste of time. No drugs found, no one even arrested. Police taking things to far once again. No wonder why the public are starting to undermine the police force. And even if a bit of 'coke' or 'weed' was found, its just people having a good time on a Friday night. Basildon.lad.21

2:16am Sat 22 Sep 12

jasper2013 says...

Ok read wrong but numbers are still out and walking along chichester road u knew something was going on
Ok read wrong but numbers are still out and walking along chichester road u knew something was going on jasper2013

2:19am Sat 22 Sep 12

Basildon.lad.21 says...

When that clubber Reece died as recently published in the echo, where were they then? As soon as drugs are mentioned on plods radio, every officer attends it seems. Bet the response time was 15 seconds rather then 15 minutes.
When that clubber Reece died as recently published in the echo, where were they then? As soon as drugs are mentioned on plods radio, every officer attends it seems. Bet the response time was 15 seconds rather then 15 minutes. Basildon.lad.21

7:26am Sat 22 Sep 12

This Rancid Town says...

What was the cost of this failed operation? How many assaults, domestics and burglaries were committed and were the response times hampered due to this raid?

I'm all for the crackdown on dangerous chemical drugs but they didn't even find a tiny bit of weed and probably treated every person in there like a criminal so this failed operation is not going to look good on the police and it has damaged a local business in the process, how much booze tax was missed out on over this? Maybe they should cut a couple of those police off the force to make up for wasting the taxpayer money....
What was the cost of this failed operation? How many assaults, domestics and burglaries were committed and were the response times hampered due to this raid? I'm all for the crackdown on dangerous chemical drugs but they didn't even find a tiny bit of weed and probably treated every person in there like a criminal so this failed operation is not going to look good on the police and it has damaged a local business in the process, how much booze tax was missed out on over this? Maybe they should cut a couple of those police off the force to make up for wasting the taxpayer money.... This Rancid Town

8:06am Sat 22 Sep 12

1myra1 says...

The police can be so wet. Get with it , the drugs aren't in teeny bopper clubs get down to Belinis, the royal, Sunrooms, ten63, tiger Lily, railway. What a joke and waste of money, get rid of the low life crack and heroin dealers first, then concentrate on a couple of lines of coke and a few pills , if u can't find the heroin dealers your even softer than I realise, southchurch road, warrior sq westcliff library and surrounding alleys . Doh
The police can be so wet. Get with it , the drugs aren't in teeny bopper clubs get down to Belinis, the royal, Sunrooms, ten63, tiger Lily, railway. What a joke and waste of money, get rid of the low life crack and heroin dealers first, then concentrate on a couple of lines of coke and a few pills , if u can't find the heroin dealers your even softer than I realise, southchurch road, warrior sq westcliff library and surrounding alleys . Doh 1myra1

8:56am Sat 22 Sep 12

DEBT*COLLECTOR says...

Sounds a real good nite for everyone. The police know how to enjoy themselves on tax payers funds.
Sounds a real good nite for everyone. The police know how to enjoy themselves on tax payers funds. DEBT*COLLECTOR

9:06am Sat 22 Sep 12

bignosechaff says...

It about time the police showed the club owners that they will not tolerate drug and under-age drinking. If they raid pubs in the same way perhaps landlords would be more responsible
It about time the police showed the club owners that they will not tolerate drug and under-age drinking. If they raid pubs in the same way perhaps landlords would be more responsible bignosechaff

9:11am Sat 22 Sep 12

Tulip44 says...

It's the innocent people I feel sorry for,.my daughter works hard all week, looked forward to her night out, and was dragged out and made to stand shivering, in a skimpy dress and no coat, for over an hour outside! They could have at least provided those tin foil blankets. Disgusting!
It's the innocent people I feel sorry for,.my daughter works hard all week, looked forward to her night out, and was dragged out and made to stand shivering, in a skimpy dress and no coat, for over an hour outside! They could have at least provided those tin foil blankets. Disgusting! Tulip44

9:21am Sat 22 Sep 12

marshman says...

A fine piece of community policing.

It's good to see the police out talking to people on the street. It helps built trust and ... er hang on. Wrong thread.
A fine piece of community policing. It's good to see the police out talking to people on the street. It helps built trust and ... er hang on. Wrong thread. marshman

9:35am Sat 22 Sep 12

APR says...

The report doesn't say whether any drugs were found in the club, just that none were found on the clubbers.
The report doesn't say whether any drugs were found in the club, just that none were found on the clubbers. APR

9:45am Sat 22 Sep 12

pendulum says...

It appears they have inconvenienced the public for no good reason and turned many more against the police. They were hardly going to find a massive stash inside a nightclub, they were only going to find small deals if that. Foolish decision. I'm sure the money would've been better spent targeting an importer.
It appears they have inconvenienced the public for no good reason and turned many more against the police. They were hardly going to find a massive stash inside a nightclub, they were only going to find small deals if that. Foolish decision. I'm sure the money would've been better spent targeting an importer. pendulum

9:54am Sat 22 Sep 12

Basildon.lad.21 says...

Brunning999 wrote:
Comments yet again made by morons!

In reality if no drugs were found then the Police should be asked 'what intelligence did you have for a prearranged operation like that.

If drugs are found either in possession of several people or abandoned on the floor then a job well done in their primary objective preventing crime and secondary objective of detection of crime.

If very few drugs were found with a comparison of the cost of the operation and consideration given to the draining of Police Officer from other areas that equally have a right to a Police presence then the Police must and should face justifiable criticism.

As for the uneducated comments above that gives everyone a view of the type of person the Police have to deal with these days.

It is just a fact of life these days that we must accept that moronic people who hate The Police so much are so thick or born criminal type thugs that they cannot see the wood from the trees.
No its just sad people like you that just have no life. I bet most people in that club were scared when 100 pigs came in. And it was all a big failed operation. Public 1-0 Pigs. No wonder why people are starting to undermine our useless police force now adays.
[quote][p][bold]Brunning999[/bold] wrote: Comments yet again made by morons! In reality if no drugs were found then the Police should be asked 'what intelligence did you have for a prearranged operation like that. If drugs are found either in possession of several people or abandoned on the floor then a job well done in their primary objective preventing crime and secondary objective of detection of crime. If very few drugs were found with a comparison of the cost of the operation and consideration given to the draining of Police Officer from other areas that equally have a right to a Police presence then the Police must and should face justifiable criticism. As for the uneducated comments above that gives everyone a view of the type of person the Police have to deal with these days. It is just a fact of life these days that we must accept that moronic people who hate The Police so much are so thick or born criminal type thugs that they cannot see the wood from the trees.[/p][/quote]No its just sad people like you that just have no life. I bet most people in that club were scared when 100 pigs came in. And it was all a big failed operation. Public 1-0 Pigs. No wonder why people are starting to undermine our useless police force now adays. Basildon.lad.21

10:15am Sat 22 Sep 12

CALL ME CLINT says...

Tulip44 wrote:
It's the innocent people I feel sorry for,.my daughter works hard all week, looked forward to her night out, and was dragged out and made to stand shivering, in a skimpy dress and no coat, for over an hour outside! They could have at least provided those tin foil blankets. Disgusting!
Why was your daughter kept waiting on the street for so long? Obviously, had she been in possession of anything she shouldn't have been it would have been jettisoned long before she was searched- I assume that was the purpose of her detention. I have nothing against the police enforcing the law as it relates to drugs even though I believe the law to be wrong. The enforcement should however be carried out efficiently and in a manner likely to cause the minimum of distress, discomfort and inconvenience to (let's face it) the law-abiding people frequenting the club.

I think your daughter has good reason to feel aggrieved at her treatment but I'm sure you will do your best to help her understand that in general the police do a good job in difficult times with **** as political masters and that sometimes they get things wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Tulip44[/bold] wrote: It's the innocent people I feel sorry for,.my daughter works hard all week, looked forward to her night out, and was dragged out and made to stand shivering, in a skimpy dress and no coat, for over an hour outside! They could have at least provided those tin foil blankets. Disgusting![/p][/quote]Why was your daughter kept waiting on the street for so long? Obviously, had she been in possession of anything she shouldn't have been it would have been jettisoned long before she was searched- I assume that was the purpose of her detention. I have nothing against the police enforcing the law as it relates to drugs even though I believe the law to be wrong. The enforcement should however be carried out efficiently and in a manner likely to cause the minimum of distress, discomfort and inconvenience to (let's face it) the law-abiding people frequenting the club. I think your daughter has good reason to feel aggrieved at her treatment but I'm sure you will do your best to help her understand that in general the police do a good job in difficult times with **** as political masters and that sometimes they get things wrong. CALL ME CLINT

10:20am Sat 22 Sep 12

CALL ME CLINT says...

**** = A55es. It's about time the Echo invested in some new censorship software.
**** = A55es. It's about time the Echo invested in some new censorship software. CALL ME CLINT

10:21am Sat 22 Sep 12

Basildon.lad.21 says...

CALL ME CLINT wrote:
Tulip44 wrote:
It's the innocent people I feel sorry for,.my daughter works hard all week, looked forward to her night out, and was dragged out and made to stand shivering, in a skimpy dress and no coat, for over an hour outside! They could have at least provided those tin foil blankets. Disgusting!
Why was your daughter kept waiting on the street for so long? Obviously, had she been in possession of anything she shouldn't have been it would have been jettisoned long before she was searched- I assume that was the purpose of her detention. I have nothing against the police enforcing the law as it relates to drugs even though I believe the law to be wrong. The enforcement should however be carried out efficiently and in a manner likely to cause the minimum of distress, discomfort and inconvenience to (let's face it) the law-abiding people frequenting the club.

I think your daughter has good reason to feel aggrieved at her treatment but I'm sure you will do your best to help her understand that in general the police do a good job in difficult times with **** as political masters and that sometimes they get things wrong.
The government are usually wrong mate 99% of the time.
[quote][p][bold]CALL ME CLINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tulip44[/bold] wrote: It's the innocent people I feel sorry for,.my daughter works hard all week, looked forward to her night out, and was dragged out and made to stand shivering, in a skimpy dress and no coat, for over an hour outside! They could have at least provided those tin foil blankets. Disgusting![/p][/quote]Why was your daughter kept waiting on the street for so long? Obviously, had she been in possession of anything she shouldn't have been it would have been jettisoned long before she was searched- I assume that was the purpose of her detention. I have nothing against the police enforcing the law as it relates to drugs even though I believe the law to be wrong. The enforcement should however be carried out efficiently and in a manner likely to cause the minimum of distress, discomfort and inconvenience to (let's face it) the law-abiding people frequenting the club. I think your daughter has good reason to feel aggrieved at her treatment but I'm sure you will do your best to help her understand that in general the police do a good job in difficult times with **** as political masters and that sometimes they get things wrong.[/p][/quote]The government are usually wrong mate 99% of the time. Basildon.lad.21

10:58am Sat 22 Sep 12

Max Impact says...

As has been said typical comments from those that probably take drugs, funny how most posting above are new posters and they are thumbing up their own comments. Must be all the drugs in their systems...
As has been said typical comments from those that probably take drugs, funny how most posting above are new posters and they are thumbing up their own comments. Must be all the drugs in their systems... Max Impact

11:03am Sat 22 Sep 12

vanilla ice says...

The Police might have had a better result if they had searched each other
The Police might have had a better result if they had searched each other vanilla ice

11:24am Sat 22 Sep 12

Tulip44 says...

CALL ME CLINT wrote:
Tulip44 wrote:
It's the innocent people I feel sorry for,.my daughter works hard all week, looked forward to her night out, and was dragged out and made to stand shivering, in a skimpy dress and no coat, for over an hour outside! They could have at least provided those tin foil blankets. Disgusting!
Why was your daughter kept waiting on the street for so long? Obviously, had she been in possession of anything she shouldn't have been it would have been jettisoned long before she was searched- I assume that was the purpose of her detention. I have nothing against the police enforcing the law as it relates to drugs even though I believe the law to be wrong. The enforcement should however be carried out efficiently and in a manner likely to cause the minimum of distress, discomfort and inconvenience to (let's face it) the law-abiding people frequenting the club.

I think your daughter has good reason to feel aggrieved at her treatment but I'm sure you will do your best to help her understand that in general the police do a good job in difficult times with **** as political masters and that sometimes they get things wrong.
They kept them all in 'holding areas' and then walked them past the sniffer dogs. My daughter said it all took ages. The girls who had coats weren't allowed to get them, even afterwards, they were told to go back for them today!
My daughter had nothing bad to say about the police, she has been brought up to be respectful, but she was a little upset at the way they'd been treated
[quote][p][bold]CALL ME CLINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tulip44[/bold] wrote: It's the innocent people I feel sorry for,.my daughter works hard all week, looked forward to her night out, and was dragged out and made to stand shivering, in a skimpy dress and no coat, for over an hour outside! They could have at least provided those tin foil blankets. Disgusting![/p][/quote]Why was your daughter kept waiting on the street for so long? Obviously, had she been in possession of anything she shouldn't have been it would have been jettisoned long before she was searched- I assume that was the purpose of her detention. I have nothing against the police enforcing the law as it relates to drugs even though I believe the law to be wrong. The enforcement should however be carried out efficiently and in a manner likely to cause the minimum of distress, discomfort and inconvenience to (let's face it) the law-abiding people frequenting the club. I think your daughter has good reason to feel aggrieved at her treatment but I'm sure you will do your best to help her understand that in general the police do a good job in difficult times with **** as political masters and that sometimes they get things wrong.[/p][/quote]They kept them all in 'holding areas' and then walked them past the sniffer dogs. My daughter said it all took ages. The girls who had coats weren't allowed to get them, even afterwards, they were told to go back for them today! My daughter had nothing bad to say about the police, she has been brought up to be respectful, but she was a little upset at the way they'd been treated Tulip44

11:33am Sat 22 Sep 12

Horace Wimpole says...

How embarrassing for plod.
How embarrassing for plod. Horace Wimpole

11:34am Sat 22 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

What a complete waste of time, nothing was found and even if it was it wouldn't make one iota of difference. The Police have been having periodic 'clampdowns' like this for decades, doesn't make a blind bit of difference because prohibition does not work. When will they learn?
What a complete waste of time, nothing was found and even if it was it wouldn't make one iota of difference. The Police have been having periodic 'clampdowns' like this for decades, doesn't make a blind bit of difference because prohibition does not work. When will they learn? Truth Will Prevail

11:55am Sat 22 Sep 12

SpaffSpiff84 says...

Anybody who understands the club/drug scene knows how pointless this is. You can tell the comments that come from the over 35's and the ones from the people who actually know what they are talking about, all the old fogies think arrest everything that moves and that will put an end to drug use, the only people who deal in clubs are there with the permission of the door staff, there's no way you could deal in a club like mayhem without it, club/pub raids just take the personal gear from the lightweights who havent taken it all yet, its all about fanning their tail feathers like a peacock, it doesnt actually have any effect on the scene at all
Anybody who understands the club/drug scene knows how pointless this is. You can tell the comments that come from the over 35's and the ones from the people who actually know what they are talking about, all the old fogies think arrest everything that moves and that will put an end to drug use, the only people who deal in clubs are there with the permission of the door staff, there's no way you could deal in a club like mayhem without it, club/pub raids just take the personal gear from the lightweights who havent taken it all yet, its all about fanning their tail feathers like a peacock, it doesnt actually have any effect on the scene at all SpaffSpiff84

12:06pm Sat 22 Sep 12

pembury53 says...

Basildon.lad.21 wrote:
Brunning999 wrote:
Comments yet again made by morons!

In reality if no drugs were found then the Police should be asked 'what intelligence did you have for a prearranged operation like that.

If drugs are found either in possession of several people or abandoned on the floor then a job well done in their primary objective preventing crime and secondary objective of detection of crime.

If very few drugs were found with a comparison of the cost of the operation and consideration given to the draining of Police Officer from other areas that equally have a right to a Police presence then the Police must and should face justifiable criticism.

As for the uneducated comments above that gives everyone a view of the type of person the Police have to deal with these days.

It is just a fact of life these days that we must accept that moronic people who hate The Police so much are so thick or born criminal type thugs that they cannot see the wood from the trees.
No its just sad people like you that just have no life. I bet most people in that club were scared when 100 pigs came in. And it was all a big failed operation. Public 1-0 Pigs. No wonder why people are starting to undermine our useless police force now adays.
Agreed. What an absolute disgrace ! Police moaning about cuts and people being mugged in broad daylight with hardly ever an arrest. Anyone would think a terrorist cell had been uncovered. The only surprise is that armed response units were not deployed ! People do a few pills on a night out..... big deal. The so called 'war on drugs' is a scandalous waste of tax payers money and adults should be left to make adult choices, like if to smoke or drink and take the consequences. Why is it the sad people with no life of their own have be so interested in what other people choose to do all the time.....
[quote][p][bold]Basildon.lad.21[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brunning999[/bold] wrote: Comments yet again made by morons! In reality if no drugs were found then the Police should be asked 'what intelligence did you have for a prearranged operation like that. If drugs are found either in possession of several people or abandoned on the floor then a job well done in their primary objective preventing crime and secondary objective of detection of crime. If very few drugs were found with a comparison of the cost of the operation and consideration given to the draining of Police Officer from other areas that equally have a right to a Police presence then the Police must and should face justifiable criticism. As for the uneducated comments above that gives everyone a view of the type of person the Police have to deal with these days. It is just a fact of life these days that we must accept that moronic people who hate The Police so much are so thick or born criminal type thugs that they cannot see the wood from the trees.[/p][/quote]No its just sad people like you that just have no life. I bet most people in that club were scared when 100 pigs came in. And it was all a big failed operation. Public 1-0 Pigs. No wonder why people are starting to undermine our useless police force now adays.[/p][/quote]Agreed. What an absolute disgrace ! Police moaning about cuts and people being mugged in broad daylight with hardly ever an arrest. Anyone would think a terrorist cell had been uncovered. The only surprise is that armed response units were not deployed ! People do a few pills on a night out..... big deal. The so called 'war on drugs' is a scandalous waste of tax payers money and adults should be left to make adult choices, like if to smoke or drink and take the consequences. Why is it the sad people with no life of their own have be so interested in what other people choose to do all the time..... pembury53

1:28pm Sat 22 Sep 12

mouthend on trout says...

pembury53 wrote:
Basildon.lad.21 wrote:
Brunning999 wrote:
Comments yet again made by morons!

In reality if no drugs were found then the Police should be asked 'what intelligence did you have for a prearranged operation like that.

If drugs are found either in possession of several people or abandoned on the floor then a job well done in their primary objective preventing crime and secondary objective of detection of crime.

If very few drugs were found with a comparison of the cost of the operation and consideration given to the draining of Police Officer from other areas that equally have a right to a Police presence then the Police must and should face justifiable criticism.

As for the uneducated comments above that gives everyone a view of the type of person the Police have to deal with these days.

It is just a fact of life these days that we must accept that moronic people who hate The Police so much are so thick or born criminal type thugs that they cannot see the wood from the trees.
No its just sad people like you that just have no life. I bet most people in that club were scared when 100 pigs came in. And it was all a big failed operation. Public 1-0 Pigs. No wonder why people are starting to undermine our useless police force now adays.
Agreed. What an absolute disgrace ! Police moaning about cuts and people being mugged in broad daylight with hardly ever an arrest. Anyone would think a terrorist cell had been uncovered. The only surprise is that armed response units were not deployed ! People do a few pills on a night out..... big deal. The so called 'war on drugs' is a scandalous waste of tax payers money and adults should be left to make adult choices, like if to smoke or drink and take the consequences. Why is it the sad people with no life of their own have be so interested in what other people choose to do all the time.....
obviously... you are a policeman... hence the reason you think the general publics comments are moronic?...

this is a realistic example of the fascist police attitude that people are having to deal with on a day to day basis...

rest assured there is more blood on the hands of the police than any of the people commenting above...

Going on your comments alone I'm assuming that you are a community support officer.

as for that education you mentioned... might be worth gaining some...

start with how many people have died in police custody since the 90s and how many officers have been charged...

Ruff justice!
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Basildon.lad.21[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brunning999[/bold] wrote: Comments yet again made by morons! In reality if no drugs were found then the Police should be asked 'what intelligence did you have for a prearranged operation like that. If drugs are found either in possession of several people or abandoned on the floor then a job well done in their primary objective preventing crime and secondary objective of detection of crime. If very few drugs were found with a comparison of the cost of the operation and consideration given to the draining of Police Officer from other areas that equally have a right to a Police presence then the Police must and should face justifiable criticism. As for the uneducated comments above that gives everyone a view of the type of person the Police have to deal with these days. It is just a fact of life these days that we must accept that moronic people who hate The Police so much are so thick or born criminal type thugs that they cannot see the wood from the trees.[/p][/quote]No its just sad people like you that just have no life. I bet most people in that club were scared when 100 pigs came in. And it was all a big failed operation. Public 1-0 Pigs. No wonder why people are starting to undermine our useless police force now adays.[/p][/quote]Agreed. What an absolute disgrace ! Police moaning about cuts and people being mugged in broad daylight with hardly ever an arrest. Anyone would think a terrorist cell had been uncovered. The only surprise is that armed response units were not deployed ! People do a few pills on a night out..... big deal. The so called 'war on drugs' is a scandalous waste of tax payers money and adults should be left to make adult choices, like if to smoke or drink and take the consequences. Why is it the sad people with no life of their own have be so interested in what other people choose to do all the time.....[/p][/quote]obviously... you are a policeman... hence the reason you think the general publics comments are moronic?... this is a realistic example of the fascist police attitude that people are having to deal with on a day to day basis... rest assured there is more blood on the hands of the police than any of the people commenting above... Going on your comments alone I'm assuming that you are a community support officer. as for that education you mentioned... might be worth gaining some... start with how many people have died in police custody since the 90s and how many officers have been charged... Ruff justice! mouthend on trout

1:30pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Eugene Speed says...

Judging by the comments on here from the pro-drugs camp, you want to come live where I do on Marine Parade. Coke and M-Cat dealers squaring up to each other, little twunts who can't handle their gear, coked-up morons who have lost the plot. I'm no old fogey, I'm an ex-clubber (gave it up due to all the wallies in the clubs nowdays) and a club DJ who has been on the club scene since the late 80s, and have watched as clubbers and dealers have become less discrete in their dealing and consumption of their chosen chems, leading to greater public awareness of what is going on in the clubs. This leads to questions being asked of the police and licencing authority's drugs prevention policies, so the plod react in a big way, hitting a big name in the town to send out the biggest loudest message, and it appears to have worked. Do you think they would have got the same column inches for a raid on the Sunrooms, despite what might have been found? I seriously doubt it, the police know that by raiding the biggest club in the town with no mercy for any of the punters, that message will filter through to the other clubs and pubs in the town. You can bet that a lot of the dealers, doormen and anyone else involved in the distribution of recreational chemicals in Southend is now a little more nervous about their activities, and hopefully the dealers and users who think that being discreet in what they are doing is no longer necessary will either stay away, keep it under wraps, or get nicked. In twenty-two years of clubbing and DJing in many venues in the UK and abroad, I have never once been searched, detained or arrested, despite enjoying many levels of chemical excess in my more youthful years, and it's all down to not behaving like a d1ck regardless of how much gear I had scoffed! Also, the police used for this type of operation would not have been pulled from regular beat bobbies, so there were no less coppers on the regular rounds.
Judging by the comments on here from the pro-drugs camp, you want to come live where I do on Marine Parade. Coke and M-Cat dealers squaring up to each other, little twunts who can't handle their gear, coked-up morons who have lost the plot. I'm no old fogey, I'm an ex-clubber (gave it up due to all the wallies in the clubs nowdays) and a club DJ who has been on the club scene since the late 80s, and have watched as clubbers and dealers have become less discrete in their dealing and consumption of their chosen chems, leading to greater public awareness of what is going on in the clubs. This leads to questions being asked of the police and licencing authority's drugs prevention policies, so the plod react in a big way, hitting a big name in the town to send out the biggest loudest message, and it appears to have worked. Do you think they would have got the same column inches for a raid on the Sunrooms, despite what might have been found? I seriously doubt it, the police know that by raiding the biggest club in the town with no mercy for any of the punters, that message will filter through to the other clubs and pubs in the town. You can bet that a lot of the dealers, doormen and anyone else involved in the distribution of recreational chemicals in Southend is now a little more nervous about their activities, and hopefully the dealers and users who think that being discreet in what they are doing is no longer necessary will either stay away, keep it under wraps, or get nicked. In twenty-two years of clubbing and DJing in many venues in the UK and abroad, I have never once been searched, detained or arrested, despite enjoying many levels of chemical excess in my more youthful years, and it's all down to not behaving like a d1ck regardless of how much gear I had scoffed! Also, the police used for this type of operation would not have been pulled from regular beat bobbies, so there were no less coppers on the regular rounds. Eugene Speed

1:37pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Tsgarmy says...

Well done to the old bill making themselves look rather silly yet again, no arrests I take it? Why raid mayhem it's hardly know for its drug dealing revellers, most of its clientele are under 20s struggling to afford a few Smirnoff ices, surely the police could be spending more time looking for criminals rather than wasting tax payers money!!!!!
Well done to the old bill making themselves look rather silly yet again, no arrests I take it? Why raid mayhem it's hardly know for its drug dealing revellers, most of its clientele are under 20s struggling to afford a few Smirnoff ices, surely the police could be spending more time looking for criminals rather than wasting tax payers money!!!!! Tsgarmy

1:39pm Sat 22 Sep 12

leeroy5 says...

Tsgarmy wrote:
Well done to the old bill making themselves look rather silly yet again, no arrests I take it? Why raid mayhem it's hardly know for its drug dealing revellers, most of its clientele are under 20s struggling to afford a few Smirnoff ices, surely the police could be spending more time looking for criminals rather than wasting tax payers money!!!!!
muuuuuuuug!
[quote][p][bold]Tsgarmy[/bold] wrote: Well done to the old bill making themselves look rather silly yet again, no arrests I take it? Why raid mayhem it's hardly know for its drug dealing revellers, most of its clientele are under 20s struggling to afford a few Smirnoff ices, surely the police could be spending more time looking for criminals rather than wasting tax payers money!!!!![/p][/quote]muuuuuuuug! leeroy5

1:41pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

SpaffSpiff84 wrote:
Anybody who understands the club/drug scene knows how pointless this is. You can tell the comments that come from the over 35's and the ones from the people who actually know what they are talking about, all the old fogies think arrest everything that moves and that will put an end to drug use, the only people who deal in clubs are there with the permission of the door staff, there's no way you could deal in a club like mayhem without it, club/pub raids just take the personal gear from the lightweights who havent taken it all yet, its all about fanning their tail feathers like a peacock, it doesnt actually have any effect on the scene at all
Less of the old please! This isn't a new phenomenon, it all started back in 68/69.
[quote][p][bold]SpaffSpiff84[/bold] wrote: Anybody who understands the club/drug scene knows how pointless this is. You can tell the comments that come from the over 35's and the ones from the people who actually know what they are talking about, all the old fogies think arrest everything that moves and that will put an end to drug use, the only people who deal in clubs are there with the permission of the door staff, there's no way you could deal in a club like mayhem without it, club/pub raids just take the personal gear from the lightweights who havent taken it all yet, its all about fanning their tail feathers like a peacock, it doesnt actually have any effect on the scene at all[/p][/quote]Less of the old please! This isn't a new phenomenon, it all started back in 68/69. Truth Will Prevail

1:53pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Tsgarmy says...

leeroy5 wrote:
Tsgarmy wrote:
Well done to the old bill making themselves look rather silly yet again, no arrests I take it? Why raid mayhem it's hardly know for its drug dealing revellers, most of its clientele are under 20s struggling to afford a few Smirnoff ices, surely the police could be spending more time looking for criminals rather than wasting tax payers money!!!!!
muuuuuuuug!
Yeah I'm the mug, what would happen to the people getting caught with the drugs anyway......... Nothing? Slap on the wrist at worst, but as no1 got nicked well done the police maybe if they had been a little more discrete rather that turning up in such numbers making it obvious they was there?
[quote][p][bold]leeroy5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tsgarmy[/bold] wrote: Well done to the old bill making themselves look rather silly yet again, no arrests I take it? Why raid mayhem it's hardly know for its drug dealing revellers, most of its clientele are under 20s struggling to afford a few Smirnoff ices, surely the police could be spending more time looking for criminals rather than wasting tax payers money!!!!![/p][/quote]muuuuuuuug![/p][/quote]Yeah I'm the mug, what would happen to the people getting caught with the drugs anyway......... Nothing? Slap on the wrist at worst, but as no1 got nicked well done the police maybe if they had been a little more discrete rather that turning up in such numbers making it obvious they was there? Tsgarmy

2:47pm Sat 22 Sep 12

pembury53 says...

Eugene Speed wrote:
Judging by the comments on here from the pro-drugs camp, you want to come live where I do on Marine Parade. Coke and M-Cat dealers squaring up to each other, little twunts who can't handle their gear, coked-up morons who have lost the plot. I'm no old fogey, I'm an ex-clubber (gave it up due to all the wallies in the clubs nowdays) and a club DJ who has been on the club scene since the late 80s, and have watched as clubbers and dealers have become less discrete in their dealing and consumption of their chosen chems, leading to greater public awareness of what is going on in the clubs. This leads to questions being asked of the police and licencing authority's drugs prevention policies, so the plod react in a big way, hitting a big name in the town to send out the biggest loudest message, and it appears to have worked. Do you think they would have got the same column inches for a raid on the Sunrooms, despite what might have been found? I seriously doubt it, the police know that by raiding the biggest club in the town with no mercy for any of the punters, that message will filter through to the other clubs and pubs in the town. You can bet that a lot of the dealers, doormen and anyone else involved in the distribution of recreational chemicals in Southend is now a little more nervous about their activities, and hopefully the dealers and users who think that being discreet in what they are doing is no longer necessary will either stay away, keep it under wraps, or get nicked. In twenty-two years of clubbing and DJing in many venues in the UK and abroad, I have never once been searched, detained or arrested, despite enjoying many levels of chemical excess in my more youthful years, and it's all down to not behaving like a d1ck regardless of how much gear I had scoffed! Also, the police used for this type of operation would not have been pulled from regular beat bobbies, so there were no less coppers on the regular rounds.
Seem to recall your name from the days of premier radio in the 90's... what a blinding station that was..... You make some fair points but must also appreciate that ultimately this is still a complete waste of time and money ? All will be forgotten in a few weeks and people do drugs, period. No amount of legislation or enforcement will make a blind bit of difference and never has. I never met anyone in my life who didn't do drugs because it's illegal, only because they didn't want to. The consequence of this in the short term is that people will double up their consumption before getting in the clubs which is not exactly beneficial to health.
[quote][p][bold]Eugene Speed[/bold] wrote: Judging by the comments on here from the pro-drugs camp, you want to come live where I do on Marine Parade. Coke and M-Cat dealers squaring up to each other, little twunts who can't handle their gear, coked-up morons who have lost the plot. I'm no old fogey, I'm an ex-clubber (gave it up due to all the wallies in the clubs nowdays) and a club DJ who has been on the club scene since the late 80s, and have watched as clubbers and dealers have become less discrete in their dealing and consumption of their chosen chems, leading to greater public awareness of what is going on in the clubs. This leads to questions being asked of the police and licencing authority's drugs prevention policies, so the plod react in a big way, hitting a big name in the town to send out the biggest loudest message, and it appears to have worked. Do you think they would have got the same column inches for a raid on the Sunrooms, despite what might have been found? I seriously doubt it, the police know that by raiding the biggest club in the town with no mercy for any of the punters, that message will filter through to the other clubs and pubs in the town. You can bet that a lot of the dealers, doormen and anyone else involved in the distribution of recreational chemicals in Southend is now a little more nervous about their activities, and hopefully the dealers and users who think that being discreet in what they are doing is no longer necessary will either stay away, keep it under wraps, or get nicked. In twenty-two years of clubbing and DJing in many venues in the UK and abroad, I have never once been searched, detained or arrested, despite enjoying many levels of chemical excess in my more youthful years, and it's all down to not behaving like a d1ck regardless of how much gear I had scoffed! Also, the police used for this type of operation would not have been pulled from regular beat bobbies, so there were no less coppers on the regular rounds.[/p][/quote]Seem to recall your name from the days of premier radio in the 90's... what a blinding station that was..... You make some fair points but must also appreciate that ultimately this is still a complete waste of time and money ? All will be forgotten in a few weeks and people do drugs, period. No amount of legislation or enforcement will make a blind bit of difference and never has. I never met anyone in my life who didn't do drugs because it's illegal, only because they didn't want to. The consequence of this in the short term is that people will double up their consumption before getting in the clubs which is not exactly beneficial to health. pembury53

2:57pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Diannah says...

Can't see why people are blaming the police for carrying out the raid. It is the people doing the drugs which caused the police to act. The clean clubbers should point the finger of blame at their doped up peers for ruining their evening - not the police.
Can't see why people are blaming the police for carrying out the raid. It is the people doing the drugs which caused the police to act. The clean clubbers should point the finger of blame at their doped up peers for ruining their evening - not the police. Diannah

3:31pm Sat 22 Sep 12

boom2012 says...

Don't understand the police they raided the one club where there is the least chance of finding any drugs. Try the royal hotel or sunrooms
Next time you donkeys!!
Don't understand the police they raided the one club where there is the least chance of finding any drugs. Try the royal hotel or sunrooms Next time you donkeys!! boom2012

3:46pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Mary anne says...

You want to find drugs, don't go to clubs, go in the lovely streets of southend and westcliff! Or go see my neighbor upstairs, he got stabbed once over some drugs and the police came, found drugs, needles, and nothing was done. Only a trip to the hospital to treat him. He's been dealing even since and nothing is done, is this normal???
You want to find drugs, don't go to clubs, go in the lovely streets of southend and westcliff! Or go see my neighbor upstairs, he got stabbed once over some drugs and the police came, found drugs, needles, and nothing was done. Only a trip to the hospital to treat him. He's been dealing even since and nothing is done, is this normal??? Mary anne

4:34pm Sat 22 Sep 12

leigh-my-town says...

Shouldn't they have raided Talk nightclub instead!!! Now that's drugs heaven. They even offer them up outside and inside this place.
Shouldn't they have raided Talk nightclub instead!!! Now that's drugs heaven. They even offer them up outside and inside this place. leigh-my-town

5:06pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

haha. more than a few cages rattled. bring it on....
haha. more than a few cages rattled. bring it on.... beyond the valley of the asbos

5:12pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet on arrests being made after 1am. the echo would not have been briefed by the police unless there was solid intelligence.
if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet on arrests being made after 1am. the echo would not have been briefed by the police unless there was solid intelligence. beyond the valley of the asbos

5:17pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Tsgarmy says...

I'd take ur bet because I very much doubt any were made as a direct result of this raid
I'd take ur bet because I very much doubt any were made as a direct result of this raid Tsgarmy

5:21pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

Tsgarmy wrote:
I'd take ur bet because I very much doubt any were made as a direct result of this raid
i'll send you my bank account details so you can make the transfer of funds on monday
[quote][p][bold]Tsgarmy[/bold] wrote: I'd take ur bet because I very much doubt any were made as a direct result of this raid[/p][/quote]i'll send you my bank account details so you can make the transfer of funds on monday beyond the valley of the asbos

5:24pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

so nice to see the usual lowlife dependents plus a few new faces. like flies on a fresh turd.
so nice to see the usual lowlife dependents plus a few new faces. like flies on a fresh turd. beyond the valley of the asbos

5:41pm Sat 22 Sep 12

firedog says...

The police,dammed if they do,dammed
if they dont.Next time some of you
druggies are in some sort of trouble,send for a drug dealer he will
see you right.
The police,dammed if they do,dammed if they dont.Next time some of you druggies are in some sort of trouble,send for a drug dealer he will see you right. firedog

5:48pm Sat 22 Sep 12

SpaffSpiff84 says...

asbo shouldnt you be eating shepards pie with the cat or something? yeah high five me asbo
asbo shouldnt you be eating shepards pie with the cat or something? yeah high five me asbo SpaffSpiff84

5:56pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

SpaffSpiff84 wrote:
asbo shouldnt you be eating shepards pie with the cat or something? yeah high five me asbo
on that note... our lives are so hollow and empty we need to escape the mundanity of our own (sorry) existence - yeah. high five me max tool.
[quote][p][bold]SpaffSpiff84[/bold] wrote: asbo shouldnt you be eating shepards pie with the cat or something? yeah high five me asbo[/p][/quote]on that note... our lives are so hollow and empty we need to escape the mundanity of our own (sorry) existence - yeah. high five me max tool. beyond the valley of the asbos

6:16pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet on arrests being made after 1am. the echo would not have been briefed by the police unless there was solid intelligence.
Ha ha! Know nothing idiot, I am reliably informed by a number of young people that Mayhem is the club where you are least likely to find drugs, it's where young teens hang out trying to get drunk. Police intelligence is a joke.
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet on arrests being made after 1am. the echo would not have been briefed by the police unless there was solid intelligence.[/p][/quote]Ha ha! Know nothing idiot, I am reliably informed by a number of young people that Mayhem is the club where you are least likely to find drugs, it's where young teens hang out trying to get drunk. Police intelligence is a joke. Truth Will Prevail

6:26pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet on arrests being made after 1am. the echo would not have been briefed by the police unless there was solid intelligence.
Ha ha! Know nothing idiot, I am reliably informed by a number of young people that Mayhem is the club where you are least likely to find drugs, it's where young teens hang out trying to get drunk. Police intelligence is a joke.
oh dear oh dear. i thought that most inappropriate username had been jettisoned. you obviously didn't read the details of the other story. a quantity of pills were found and police are considering a review of the club's license. looks like your reliable informant is not so reliable.
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet on arrests being made after 1am. the echo would not have been briefed by the police unless there was solid intelligence.[/p][/quote]Ha ha! Know nothing idiot, I am reliably informed by a number of young people that Mayhem is the club where you are least likely to find drugs, it's where young teens hang out trying to get drunk. Police intelligence is a joke.[/p][/quote]oh dear oh dear. i thought that most inappropriate username had been jettisoned. you obviously didn't read the details of the other story. a quantity of pills were found and police are considering a review of the club's license. looks like your reliable informant is not so reliable. beyond the valley of the asbos

6:28pm Sat 22 Sep 12

E - Types. says...

@ Max Impact who asked:

"Drug users are small pricked loosers just like peados. Promotion of drug use is for shims. Which are you."

I'm a shim but at least I can spell.

"Loosers", "Peados" WTF?
@ Max Impact who asked: "Drug users are small pricked loosers just like peados. Promotion of drug use is for shims. Which are you." I'm a shim but at least I can spell. "Loosers", "Peados" WTF? E - Types.

6:39pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Max Impact says...

You try using the iphone 5 it is siht... Even more so when you are trying to load the car ready for work on Monday.
You try using the iphone 5 it is siht... Even more so when you are trying to load the car ready for work on Monday. Max Impact

6:49pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote: if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet on arrests being made after 1am. the echo would not have been briefed by the police unless there was solid intelligence.
Ha ha! Know nothing idiot, I am reliably informed by a number of young people that Mayhem is the club where you are least likely to find drugs, it's where young teens hang out trying to get drunk. Police intelligence is a joke.
oh dear oh dear. i thought that most inappropriate username had been jettisoned. you obviously didn't read the details of the other story. a quantity of pills were found and police are considering a review of the club's license. looks like your reliable informant is not so reliable.
I am told that it's pounds to peanuts that any pills found will be the so-called "legal highs", some of which are much MORE dangerous than the illegal drugs. My post still holds true, you could go almost anywhere else in Southend and find a lot more drugs than you'll ever find in Mayhem. Fact is there would have been hundreds of clubbers in Mayhem but all they found were a few pills. Pathetic.
.
Part of the problem is idiots like you who bleat on that all drugs are dangerous. When the kids come across cannabis at school (as they all do) they discover that a bit of weed is actually pretty harmless so they think the same must be true of all the other drugs like heroin, crack etc. Stop posting about things you know absolutely nothing about.
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet on arrests being made after 1am. the echo would not have been briefed by the police unless there was solid intelligence.[/p][/quote]Ha ha! Know nothing idiot, I am reliably informed by a number of young people that Mayhem is the club where you are least likely to find drugs, it's where young teens hang out trying to get drunk. Police intelligence is a joke.[/p][/quote]oh dear oh dear. i thought that most inappropriate username had been jettisoned. you obviously didn't read the details of the other story. a quantity of pills were found and police are considering a review of the club's license. looks like your reliable informant is not so reliable.[/p][/quote]I am told that it's pounds to peanuts that any pills found will be the so-called "legal highs", some of which are much MORE dangerous than the illegal drugs. My post still holds true, you could go almost anywhere else in Southend and find a lot more drugs than you'll ever find in Mayhem. Fact is there would have been hundreds of clubbers in Mayhem but all they found were a few pills. Pathetic. . Part of the problem is idiots like you who bleat on that all drugs are dangerous. When the kids come across cannabis at school (as they all do) they discover that a bit of weed is actually pretty harmless so they think the same must be true of all the other drugs like heroin, crack etc. Stop posting about things you know absolutely nothing about. Truth Will Prevail

6:56pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote: if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet on arrests being made after 1am. the echo would not have been briefed by the police unless there was solid intelligence.
Ha ha! Know nothing idiot, I am reliably informed by a number of young people that Mayhem is the club where you are least likely to find drugs, it's where young teens hang out trying to get drunk. Police intelligence is a joke.
oh dear oh dear. i thought that most inappropriate username had been jettisoned. you obviously didn't read the details of the other story. a quantity of pills were found and police are considering a review of the club's license. looks like your reliable informant is not so reliable.
I am told that it's pounds to peanuts that any pills found will be the so-called "legal highs", some of which are much MORE dangerous than the illegal drugs. My post still holds true, you could go almost anywhere else in Southend and find a lot more drugs than you'll ever find in Mayhem. Fact is there would have been hundreds of clubbers in Mayhem but all they found were a few pills. Pathetic.
.
Part of the problem is idiots like you who bleat on that all drugs are dangerous. When the kids come across cannabis at school (as they all do) they discover that a bit of weed is actually pretty harmless so they think the same must be true of all the other drugs like heroin, crack etc. Stop posting about things you know absolutely nothing about.
your grandchildren are obviously a chip off the old hadleigh clueless block
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet on arrests being made after 1am. the echo would not have been briefed by the police unless there was solid intelligence.[/p][/quote]Ha ha! Know nothing idiot, I am reliably informed by a number of young people that Mayhem is the club where you are least likely to find drugs, it's where young teens hang out trying to get drunk. Police intelligence is a joke.[/p][/quote]oh dear oh dear. i thought that most inappropriate username had been jettisoned. you obviously didn't read the details of the other story. a quantity of pills were found and police are considering a review of the club's license. looks like your reliable informant is not so reliable.[/p][/quote]I am told that it's pounds to peanuts that any pills found will be the so-called "legal highs", some of which are much MORE dangerous than the illegal drugs. My post still holds true, you could go almost anywhere else in Southend and find a lot more drugs than you'll ever find in Mayhem. Fact is there would have been hundreds of clubbers in Mayhem but all they found were a few pills. Pathetic. . Part of the problem is idiots like you who bleat on that all drugs are dangerous. When the kids come across cannabis at school (as they all do) they discover that a bit of weed is actually pretty harmless so they think the same must be true of all the other drugs like heroin, crack etc. Stop posting about things you know absolutely nothing about.[/p][/quote]your grandchildren are obviously a chip off the old hadleigh clueless block beyond the valley of the asbos

6:58pm Sat 22 Sep 12

jayman says...

though I am against drugs and the selling of illegal drugs i must say that the police got it so wrong on this one.

all police cars should have thermal cameras mounted on there roof to spot the high heat signature of cannabis factories in domestic properties.

nightclubs and bars should have chemically reactive surfaces (toilet seats, tables and sink units) that turn pink or blue when cocaine has come into contact with the surface.

passive electronic 'chemical noses' should be used by pubs and clubs (with government subsidy) to find the dealers in the crowd.
though I am against drugs and the selling of illegal drugs i must say that the police got it so wrong on this one. all police cars should have thermal cameras mounted on there roof to spot the high heat signature of cannabis factories in domestic properties. nightclubs and bars should have chemically reactive surfaces (toilet seats, tables and sink units) that turn pink or blue when cocaine has come into contact with the surface. passive electronic 'chemical noses' should be used by pubs and clubs (with government subsidy) to find the dealers in the crowd. jayman

7:08pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote: if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet on arrests being made after 1am. the echo would not have been briefed by the police unless there was solid intelligence.
Ha ha! Know nothing idiot, I am reliably informed by a number of young people that Mayhem is the club where you are least likely to find drugs, it's where young teens hang out trying to get drunk. Police intelligence is a joke.
oh dear oh dear. i thought that most inappropriate username had been jettisoned. you obviously didn't read the details of the other story. a quantity of pills were found and police are considering a review of the club's license. looks like your reliable informant is not so reliable.
I am told that it's pounds to peanuts that any pills found will be the so-called "legal highs", some of which are much MORE dangerous than the illegal drugs. My post still holds true, you could go almost anywhere else in Southend and find a lot more drugs than you'll ever find in Mayhem. Fact is there would have been hundreds of clubbers in Mayhem but all they found were a few pills. Pathetic. . Part of the problem is idiots like you who bleat on that all drugs are dangerous. When the kids come across cannabis at school (as they all do) they discover that a bit of weed is actually pretty harmless so they think the same must be true of all the other drugs like heroin, crack etc. Stop posting about things you know absolutely nothing about.
your grandchildren are obviously a chip off the old hadleigh clueless block
More stupid remarks from the King of imbecility. In case you have forgotten kids talk to each other, they know exactly what goes on where. And the kids I talk to these days include a head boy, national and county youth sports prizewinners, kids destined to become City high flyers, Doctors, Solicitors, Architects etc, in other words smart kids who know what they are talking about whereas YOU CLEARLY KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT THIS SUBJECT.
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet on arrests being made after 1am. the echo would not have been briefed by the police unless there was solid intelligence.[/p][/quote]Ha ha! Know nothing idiot, I am reliably informed by a number of young people that Mayhem is the club where you are least likely to find drugs, it's where young teens hang out trying to get drunk. Police intelligence is a joke.[/p][/quote]oh dear oh dear. i thought that most inappropriate username had been jettisoned. you obviously didn't read the details of the other story. a quantity of pills were found and police are considering a review of the club's license. looks like your reliable informant is not so reliable.[/p][/quote]I am told that it's pounds to peanuts that any pills found will be the so-called "legal highs", some of which are much MORE dangerous than the illegal drugs. My post still holds true, you could go almost anywhere else in Southend and find a lot more drugs than you'll ever find in Mayhem. Fact is there would have been hundreds of clubbers in Mayhem but all they found were a few pills. Pathetic. . Part of the problem is idiots like you who bleat on that all drugs are dangerous. When the kids come across cannabis at school (as they all do) they discover that a bit of weed is actually pretty harmless so they think the same must be true of all the other drugs like heroin, crack etc. Stop posting about things you know absolutely nothing about.[/p][/quote]your grandchildren are obviously a chip off the old hadleigh clueless block[/p][/quote]More stupid remarks from the King of imbecility. In case you have forgotten kids talk to each other, they know exactly what goes on where. And the kids I talk to these days include a head boy, national and county youth sports prizewinners, kids destined to become City high flyers, Doctors, Solicitors, Architects etc, in other words smart kids who know what they are talking about whereas YOU CLEARLY KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. Truth Will Prevail

7:10pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

Ditto Jayman.
Ditto Jayman. Truth Will Prevail

7:11pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

city highflyers lol. good luck with that.
city highflyers lol. good luck with that. beyond the valley of the asbos

7:12pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
city highflyers lol. good luck with that.
mind you if they're coke fiends they might make it
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: city highflyers lol. good luck with that.[/p][/quote]mind you if they're coke fiends they might make it beyond the valley of the asbos

7:15pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
city highflyers lol. good luck with that.
The will-be city high flyer also happens to be a national sports finalist and is top if his class at Uni. And good luck to him. So what have you ever done pea brain?
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: city highflyers lol. good luck with that.[/p][/quote]The will-be city high flyer also happens to be a national sports finalist and is top if his class at Uni. And good luck to him. So what have you ever done pea brain? Truth Will Prevail

7:17pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

Oops typo, "if" should have been "of". I should check for typos but can't be bothered for you lot.
Oops typo, "if" should have been "of". I should check for typos but can't be bothered for you lot. Truth Will Prevail

7:21pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Nebs says...

jayman wrote:
though I am against drugs and the selling of illegal drugs i must say that the police got it so wrong on this one.

all police cars should have thermal cameras mounted on there roof to spot the high heat signature of cannabis factories in domestic properties.

nightclubs and bars should have chemically reactive surfaces (toilet seats, tables and sink units) that turn pink or blue when cocaine has come into contact with the surface.

passive electronic 'chemical noses' should be used by pubs and clubs (with government subsidy) to find the dealers in the crowd.
A few good ideas there. Not too sure about the reactive surfaces, as their competitors would send in ringers to get the police to focus on everyone but their own place with the result that all the colours would have changed, everywhere, within 24 hours of being put in place. Like the other ideas though.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: though I am against drugs and the selling of illegal drugs i must say that the police got it so wrong on this one. all police cars should have thermal cameras mounted on there roof to spot the high heat signature of cannabis factories in domestic properties. nightclubs and bars should have chemically reactive surfaces (toilet seats, tables and sink units) that turn pink or blue when cocaine has come into contact with the surface. passive electronic 'chemical noses' should be used by pubs and clubs (with government subsidy) to find the dealers in the crowd.[/p][/quote]A few good ideas there. Not too sure about the reactive surfaces, as their competitors would send in ringers to get the police to focus on everyone but their own place with the result that all the colours would have changed, everywhere, within 24 hours of being put in place. Like the other ideas though. Nebs

7:22pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote: city highflyers lol. good luck with that.
mind you if they're coke fiends they might make it
He is a very sensible chap so I doubt that but I wouldn't hold it against him if he has a few lines, probably do him less harm than drinking - rated as only slightly worse than alcohol by the Govts own Drug Abuse Advisory Committee, way below Heroin etc but the trouble with cocaine is that it can easliy be made into crack cocaine, which is much worse.
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: city highflyers lol. good luck with that.[/p][/quote]mind you if they're coke fiends they might make it[/p][/quote]He is a very sensible chap so I doubt that but I wouldn't hold it against him if he has a few lines, probably do him less harm than drinking - rated as only slightly worse than alcohol by the Govts own Drug Abuse Advisory Committee, way below Heroin etc but the trouble with cocaine is that it can easliy be made into crack cocaine, which is much worse. Truth Will Prevail

7:23pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
city highflyers lol. good luck with that.
The will-be city high flyer also happens to be a national sports finalist and is top if his class at Uni. And good luck to him. So what have you ever done pea brain?
maybe you should open a financial newspaper. the banks are all on life support. no-one with a brain is starting a career in the city these days.
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: city highflyers lol. good luck with that.[/p][/quote]The will-be city high flyer also happens to be a national sports finalist and is top if his class at Uni. And good luck to him. So what have you ever done pea brain?[/p][/quote]maybe you should open a financial newspaper. the banks are all on life support. no-one with a brain is starting a career in the city these days. beyond the valley of the asbos

7:23pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
city highflyers lol. good luck with that.
The will-be city high flyer also happens to be a national sports finalist and is top if his class at Uni. And good luck to him. So what have you ever done pea brain?
maybe you should open a financial newspaper. the banks are all on life support. no-one with a brain is starting a career in the city these days.
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: city highflyers lol. good luck with that.[/p][/quote]The will-be city high flyer also happens to be a national sports finalist and is top if his class at Uni. And good luck to him. So what have you ever done pea brain?[/p][/quote]maybe you should open a financial newspaper. the banks are all on life support. no-one with a brain is starting a career in the city these days. beyond the valley of the asbos

7:30pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

Nebs wrote:
jayman wrote: though I am against drugs and the selling of illegal drugs i must say that the police got it so wrong on this one. all police cars should have thermal cameras mounted on there roof to spot the high heat signature of cannabis factories in domestic properties. nightclubs and bars should have chemically reactive surfaces (toilet seats, tables and sink units) that turn pink or blue when cocaine has come into contact with the surface. passive electronic 'chemical noses' should be used by pubs and clubs (with government subsidy) to find the dealers in the crowd.
A few good ideas there. Not too sure about the reactive surfaces, as their competitors would send in ringers to get the police to focus on everyone but their own place with the result that all the colours would have changed, everywhere, within 24 hours of being put in place. Like the other ideas though.
You would. You also know nothing about this subject. Only large commercial cannabis "farms" make large heat signatures, 150 and 75 watt bulbs are no different from loads of ordinary domestic devices and there must be dozens if not hundreds of smaller growers for every commercial grower (look at the "grow" shops). As for testing and reactive surfaces, cocaine is only one drug, there are loads more and all would require their own specific tests, completely impractical, as usual from you two.
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: though I am against drugs and the selling of illegal drugs i must say that the police got it so wrong on this one. all police cars should have thermal cameras mounted on there roof to spot the high heat signature of cannabis factories in domestic properties. nightclubs and bars should have chemically reactive surfaces (toilet seats, tables and sink units) that turn pink or blue when cocaine has come into contact with the surface. passive electronic 'chemical noses' should be used by pubs and clubs (with government subsidy) to find the dealers in the crowd.[/p][/quote]A few good ideas there. Not too sure about the reactive surfaces, as their competitors would send in ringers to get the police to focus on everyone but their own place with the result that all the colours would have changed, everywhere, within 24 hours of being put in place. Like the other ideas though.[/p][/quote]You would. You also know nothing about this subject. Only large commercial cannabis "farms" make large heat signatures, 150 and 75 watt bulbs are no different from loads of ordinary domestic devices and there must be dozens if not hundreds of smaller growers for every commercial grower (look at the "grow" shops). As for testing and reactive surfaces, cocaine is only one drug, there are loads more and all would require their own specific tests, completely impractical, as usual from you two. Truth Will Prevail

7:35pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote: city highflyers lol. good luck with that.
mind you if they're coke fiends they might make it
He is a very sensible chap so I doubt that but I wouldn't hold it against him if he has a few lines, probably do him less harm than drinking - rated as only slightly worse than alcohol by the Govts own Drug Abuse Advisory Committee, way below Heroin etc but the trouble with cocaine is that it can easliy be made into crack cocaine, which is much worse.
rofl. i hear bgc have got a vacancy for a teaboy
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: city highflyers lol. good luck with that.[/p][/quote]mind you if they're coke fiends they might make it[/p][/quote]He is a very sensible chap so I doubt that but I wouldn't hold it against him if he has a few lines, probably do him less harm than drinking - rated as only slightly worse than alcohol by the Govts own Drug Abuse Advisory Committee, way below Heroin etc but the trouble with cocaine is that it can easliy be made into crack cocaine, which is much worse.[/p][/quote]rofl. i hear bgc have got a vacancy for a teaboy beyond the valley of the asbos

7:47pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

No point continuing this, you lot are completely brainwashed into believing that legal drugs like tobacco and alcohol are OK but illegal drugs are not. Doesn't it strike you as odd that the two legal drugs are the biggest killers wheras one of the illegal drugs has never killed anyone from an overdose.
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When is it going to penetrate your thick skulls that illegal drugs are all different, some are virtually harmless compared to the legal drugs and some are much worse but there is no connection between them apart from the fact they are illegal. Talking of which the so-called "legal highs" are an even bigger worry as they are legally available but some are potentially even more dangerous.
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Do you even know why alcohol is culturally acceptable in the west? It's because our ancestors were too stupid to realise that boiling makes water safe, the only way they knew to make water safe was by fermenting alcohol whereas in the east they did know that boiling makes water safe so they chose their recreational drugs more carefully and quite rightly rejected alcohol.
No point continuing this, you lot are completely brainwashed into believing that legal drugs like tobacco and alcohol are OK but illegal drugs are not. Doesn't it strike you as odd that the two legal drugs are the biggest killers wheras one of the illegal drugs has never killed anyone from an overdose. . When is it going to penetrate your thick skulls that illegal drugs are all different, some are virtually harmless compared to the legal drugs and some are much worse but there is no connection between them apart from the fact they are illegal. Talking of which the so-called "legal highs" are an even bigger worry as they are legally available but some are potentially even more dangerous. . Do you even know why alcohol is culturally acceptable in the west? It's because our ancestors were too stupid to realise that boiling makes water safe, the only way they knew to make water safe was by fermenting alcohol whereas in the east they did know that boiling makes water safe so they chose their recreational drugs more carefully and quite rightly rejected alcohol. Truth Will Prevail

8:21pm Sat 22 Sep 12

conmanwatchdog says...

It sounds like the club was tipped off. Who owns the club? Do they employ lots of retired old bill? I wonder?
It sounds like the club was tipped off. Who owns the club? Do they employ lots of retired old bill? I wonder? conmanwatchdog

8:21pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Diannah says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote: if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet on arrests being made after 1am. the echo would not have been briefed by the police unless there was solid intelligence.
Ha ha! Know nothing idiot, I am reliably informed by a number of young people that Mayhem is the club where you are least likely to find drugs, it's where young teens hang out trying to get drunk. Police intelligence is a joke.
oh dear oh dear. i thought that most inappropriate username had been jettisoned. you obviously didn't read the details of the other story. a quantity of pills were found and police are considering a review of the club's license. looks like your reliable informant is not so reliable.
I am told that it's pounds to peanuts that any pills found will be the so-called "legal highs", some of which are much MORE dangerous than the illegal drugs. My post still holds true, you could go almost anywhere else in Southend and find a lot more drugs than you'll ever find in Mayhem. Fact is there would have been hundreds of clubbers in Mayhem but all they found were a few pills. Pathetic.
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Part of the problem is idiots like you who bleat on that all drugs are dangerous. When the kids come across cannabis at school (as they all do) they discover that a bit of weed is actually pretty harmless so they think the same must be true of all the other drugs like heroin, crack etc. Stop posting about things you know absolutely nothing about.
So, basically you are saying that heroin addicts tend to start with cannabis and then move on to the harder stuff because they don't know the dangers of these different drugs.

All the more reason NOT to legalize cannabis.
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet on arrests being made after 1am. the echo would not have been briefed by the police unless there was solid intelligence.[/p][/quote]Ha ha! Know nothing idiot, I am reliably informed by a number of young people that Mayhem is the club where you are least likely to find drugs, it's where young teens hang out trying to get drunk. Police intelligence is a joke.[/p][/quote]oh dear oh dear. i thought that most inappropriate username had been jettisoned. you obviously didn't read the details of the other story. a quantity of pills were found and police are considering a review of the club's license. looks like your reliable informant is not so reliable.[/p][/quote]I am told that it's pounds to peanuts that any pills found will be the so-called "legal highs", some of which are much MORE dangerous than the illegal drugs. My post still holds true, you could go almost anywhere else in Southend and find a lot more drugs than you'll ever find in Mayhem. Fact is there would have been hundreds of clubbers in Mayhem but all they found were a few pills. Pathetic. . Part of the problem is idiots like you who bleat on that all drugs are dangerous. When the kids come across cannabis at school (as they all do) they discover that a bit of weed is actually pretty harmless so they think the same must be true of all the other drugs like heroin, crack etc. Stop posting about things you know absolutely nothing about.[/p][/quote]So, basically you are saying that heroin addicts tend to start with cannabis and then move on to the harder stuff because they don't know the dangers of these different drugs. All the more reason NOT to legalize cannabis. Diannah

9:03pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Wasteoftime says...

Police would be better off targeting pubs, thats where most people would buy their cocaine from on a friday or saturday night. However Mdma powder or ecstacy pills will be readily available at any nightclub that is holding a dance music night ie. house or drum n base night. clubs that play mainly chart music dont tend to have any drugs in them.
Police would be better off targeting pubs, thats where most people would buy their cocaine from on a friday or saturday night. However Mdma powder or ecstacy pills will be readily available at any nightclub that is holding a dance music night ie. house or drum n base night. clubs that play mainly chart music dont tend to have any drugs in them. Wasteoftime

9:04pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Wasteoftime says...

Police would be better off targeting pubs, thats where most people would buy their cocaine from on a friday or saturday night. However Mdma powder or ecstacy pills will be readily available at any nightclub that is holding a dance music night ie. house or drum n base night. clubs that play mainly chart music dont tend to have any drugs in them.
Police would be better off targeting pubs, thats where most people would buy their cocaine from on a friday or saturday night. However Mdma powder or ecstacy pills will be readily available at any nightclub that is holding a dance music night ie. house or drum n base night. clubs that play mainly chart music dont tend to have any drugs in them. Wasteoftime

9:18pm Sat 22 Sep 12

SpaffSpiff84 says...

2 comments, both mentioning users/dealers having small penises, asbo said the same thing in another story... now im no psychologist, but thats got some kind of imasculinity complex/feeling threatened as a man written all over it, of all things to insult, you went straight for the penis, its classic inferiority complex
2 comments, both mentioning users/dealers having small penises, asbo said the same thing in another story... now im no psychologist, but thats got some kind of imasculinity complex/feeling threatened as a man written all over it, of all things to insult, you went straight for the penis, its classic inferiority complex SpaffSpiff84

9:24pm Sat 22 Sep 12

This Rancid Town says...

@Max

I'm a new-ish poster and long time reader and I always see your drab comments likening people to paedophiles and claiming their genitalia isn't up to the size of an average man, why do you have to keep mentioning these things? Are you a paedophile with a small penis? If so do you mind if I come sit in your front room and quietly smoke a joint while listening to some music while you rape young children? After all, we are as bad as each other so lets hang out!!!
@Max I'm a new-ish poster and long time reader and I always see your drab comments likening people to paedophiles and claiming their genitalia isn't up to the size of an average man, why do you have to keep mentioning these things? Are you a paedophile with a small penis? If so do you mind if I come sit in your front room and quietly smoke a joint while listening to some music while you rape young children? After all, we are as bad as each other so lets hang out!!! This Rancid Town

9:57pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Soouthchurch59 says...

'Those who deal drugs those who take drugs are as low life scum as peados.'

Are you fu*king serious?
'Those who deal drugs those who take drugs are as low life scum as peados.' Are you fu*king serious? Soouthchurch59

10:15pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

SpaffSpiff84 wrote:
2 comments, both mentioning users/dealers having small penises, asbo said the same thing in another story... now im no psychologist, but thats got some kind of imasculinity complex/feeling threatened as a man written all over it, of all things to insult, you went straight for the penis, its classic inferiority complex
did it touch a nerve? my reference was to the disastrous gardening ability of the average stoner
[quote][p][bold]SpaffSpiff84[/bold] wrote: 2 comments, both mentioning users/dealers having small penises, asbo said the same thing in another story... now im no psychologist, but thats got some kind of imasculinity complex/feeling threatened as a man written all over it, of all things to insult, you went straight for the penis, its classic inferiority complex[/p][/quote]did it touch a nerve? my reference was to the disastrous gardening ability of the average stoner beyond the valley of the asbos

10:20pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Soouthchurch59 says...

¡uoɔɐq ɐ ǝɹ,noʎ - xɐɯ sıɥʇ pɐǝɹ uɐɔ noʎ ɟı
¡uoɔɐq ɐ ǝɹ,noʎ - xɐɯ sıɥʇ pɐǝɹ uɐɔ noʎ ɟı Soouthchurch59

10:21pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

Soouthchurch59 wrote:
'Those who deal drugs those who take drugs are as low life scum as peados.'

Are you fu*king serious?
looks like they'll need to add a few pages to the sex offenders' register
[quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: 'Those who deal drugs those who take drugs are as low life scum as peados.' Are you fu*king serious?[/p][/quote]looks like they'll need to add a few pages to the sex offenders' register beyond the valley of the asbos

10:46pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Soouthchurch59 says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
'Those who deal drugs those who take drugs are as low life scum as peados.'

Are you fu*king serious?
looks like they'll need to add a few pages to the sex offenders' register
Nonces often work in pairs!
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: 'Those who deal drugs those who take drugs are as low life scum as peados.' Are you fu*king serious?[/p][/quote]looks like they'll need to add a few pages to the sex offenders' register[/p][/quote]Nonces often work in pairs! Soouthchurch59

10:48pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

Soouthchurch59 wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
'Those who deal drugs those who take drugs are as low life scum as peados.'

Are you fu*king serious?
looks like they'll need to add a few pages to the sex offenders' register
Nonces often work in pairs!
i bow to your superior knowledge on the subject
[quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: 'Those who deal drugs those who take drugs are as low life scum as peados.' Are you fu*king serious?[/p][/quote]looks like they'll need to add a few pages to the sex offenders' register[/p][/quote]Nonces often work in pairs![/p][/quote]i bow to your superior knowledge on the subject beyond the valley of the asbos

10:48pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Soouthchurch59 wrote:
'Those who deal drugs those who take drugs are as low life scum as peados.'

Are you fu*king serious?
looks like they'll need to add a few pages to the sex offenders' register
Nonces often work in pairs!
i bow to your superior knowledge on the subject
just don't take the bowing as an invitation!
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soouthchurch59[/bold] wrote: 'Those who deal drugs those who take drugs are as low life scum as peados.' Are you fu*king serious?[/p][/quote]looks like they'll need to add a few pages to the sex offenders' register[/p][/quote]Nonces often work in pairs![/p][/quote]i bow to your superior knowledge on the subject[/p][/quote]just don't take the bowing as an invitation! beyond the valley of the asbos

11:11pm Sat 22 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

that last paragraph was a cast iron thumbs down
that last paragraph was a cast iron thumbs down beyond the valley of the asbos

11:29pm Sat 22 Sep 12

jayman says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
No point continuing this, you lot are completely brainwashed into believing that legal drugs like tobacco and alcohol are OK but illegal drugs are not. Doesn't it strike you as odd that the two legal drugs are the biggest killers wheras one of the illegal drugs has never killed anyone from an overdose.
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When is it going to penetrate your thick skulls that illegal drugs are all different, some are virtually harmless compared to the legal drugs and some are much worse but there is no connection between them apart from the fact they are illegal. Talking of which the so-called "legal highs" are an even bigger worry as they are legally available but some are potentially even more dangerous.
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Do you even know why alcohol is culturally acceptable in the west? It's because our ancestors were too stupid to realise that boiling makes water safe, the only way they knew to make water safe was by fermenting alcohol whereas in the east they did know that boiling makes water safe so they chose their recreational drugs more carefully and quite rightly rejected alcohol.
where did you learn that alcohol was 'originally' used to purify water???

yeast, sugar, heat and a fruity ect medium for flavour.

alcohol doesn't clean water as the purity of the alcohol to purify water would need to be at about 100% 'which would kill you or make you go blind if consumed..
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: No point continuing this, you lot are completely brainwashed into believing that legal drugs like tobacco and alcohol are OK but illegal drugs are not. Doesn't it strike you as odd that the two legal drugs are the biggest killers wheras one of the illegal drugs has never killed anyone from an overdose. . When is it going to penetrate your thick skulls that illegal drugs are all different, some are virtually harmless compared to the legal drugs and some are much worse but there is no connection between them apart from the fact they are illegal. Talking of which the so-called "legal highs" are an even bigger worry as they are legally available but some are potentially even more dangerous. . Do you even know why alcohol is culturally acceptable in the west? It's because our ancestors were too stupid to realise that boiling makes water safe, the only way they knew to make water safe was by fermenting alcohol whereas in the east they did know that boiling makes water safe so they chose their recreational drugs more carefully and quite rightly rejected alcohol.[/p][/quote]where did you learn that alcohol was 'originally' used to purify water??? yeast, sugar, heat and a fruity ect medium for flavour. alcohol doesn't clean water as the purity of the alcohol to purify water would need to be at about 100% 'which would kill you or make you go blind if consumed.. jayman

11:36pm Sat 22 Sep 12

jayman says...

and boiling water doesn't clean water on its own, the water needs to be low in chemical toxin and heavy metal, it needs to be filtered and it needs to be stored in a clean container.. this is why early British cultures knew the importance of water springs and wells. London was built on an aquifer for its clean water.. several hundred years after alcohol was produced in any great quantity.

and you where banging on at me about education on a previous link... amazing.
and boiling water doesn't clean water on its own, the water needs to be low in chemical toxin and heavy metal, it needs to be filtered and it needs to be stored in a clean container.. this is why early British cultures knew the importance of water springs and wells. London was built on an aquifer for its clean water.. several hundred years after alcohol was produced in any great quantity. and you where banging on at me about education on a previous link... amazing. jayman

7:57am Sun 23 Sep 12

APR says...

Just hope that the police are there when you need them. Then call them pigs to their face.
Just hope that the police are there when you need them. Then call them pigs to their face. APR

7:57am Sun 23 Sep 12

Brunning999 says...

It is quite astonishing how many people live in pathetic little lawless lives relying on either drugs, drink or a naughty little child law breaking life.

This is an indication to the majority of hard working tax paying folk that we need to smother these morons before they grow to an unmanageable size.

Well done Police for at least not giving up despite the fact the Criminal Justice System sadly seems to have done so.

Transportation is the answer for anti social low life's or perhaps the increasing growth of Sharia Law demands might make them think.
It is quite astonishing how many people live in pathetic little lawless lives relying on either drugs, drink or a naughty little child law breaking life. This is an indication to the majority of hard working tax paying folk that we need to smother these morons before they grow to an unmanageable size. Well done Police for at least not giving up despite the fact the Criminal Justice System sadly seems to have done so. Transportation is the answer for anti social low life's or perhaps the increasing growth of Sharia Law demands might make them think. Brunning999

8:00am Sun 23 Sep 12

Horace Wimpole says...

jayman wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
No point continuing this, you lot are completely brainwashed into believing that legal drugs like tobacco and alcohol are OK but illegal drugs are not. Doesn't it strike you as odd that the two legal drugs are the biggest killers wheras one of the illegal drugs has never killed anyone from an overdose.
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When is it going to penetrate your thick skulls that illegal drugs are all different, some are virtually harmless compared to the legal drugs and some are much worse but there is no connection between them apart from the fact they are illegal. Talking of which the so-called "legal highs" are an even bigger worry as they are legally available but some are potentially even more dangerous.
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Do you even know why alcohol is culturally acceptable in the west? It's because our ancestors were too stupid to realise that boiling makes water safe, the only way they knew to make water safe was by fermenting alcohol whereas in the east they did know that boiling makes water safe so they chose their recreational drugs more carefully and quite rightly rejected alcohol.
where did you learn that alcohol was 'originally' used to purify water???

yeast, sugar, heat and a fruity ect medium for flavour.

alcohol doesn't clean water as the purity of the alcohol to purify water would need to be at about 100% 'which would kill you or make you go blind if consumed..
where did you learn that alcohol was 'originally' used to purify water???

yeast, sugar, heat and a fruity ect medium for flavour.

alcohol doesn't clean water as the purity of the alcohol to purify water would need to be at about 100% 'which would kill you or make you go blind if consumed..
I think he's getting at the fact that back in the day, people in this country tended to drink mead, small beer, ale, etc. because water was generally contaminated and would make you ill. Alcohol wasn't 'pure' per se, but it was a safer option for day-to-day drinking, then end result being that most people were p!ssed most of the time.

Anyway, he makes some good points. Try reading his comments instead of going off Daily Mail-style.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: No point continuing this, you lot are completely brainwashed into believing that legal drugs like tobacco and alcohol are OK but illegal drugs are not. Doesn't it strike you as odd that the two legal drugs are the biggest killers wheras one of the illegal drugs has never killed anyone from an overdose. . When is it going to penetrate your thick skulls that illegal drugs are all different, some are virtually harmless compared to the legal drugs and some are much worse but there is no connection between them apart from the fact they are illegal. Talking of which the so-called "legal highs" are an even bigger worry as they are legally available but some are potentially even more dangerous. . Do you even know why alcohol is culturally acceptable in the west? It's because our ancestors were too stupid to realise that boiling makes water safe, the only way they knew to make water safe was by fermenting alcohol whereas in the east they did know that boiling makes water safe so they chose their recreational drugs more carefully and quite rightly rejected alcohol.[/p][/quote]where did you learn that alcohol was 'originally' used to purify water??? yeast, sugar, heat and a fruity ect medium for flavour. alcohol doesn't clean water as the purity of the alcohol to purify water would need to be at about 100% 'which would kill you or make you go blind if consumed..[/p][/quote][quote]where did you learn that alcohol was 'originally' used to purify water??? yeast, sugar, heat and a fruity ect medium for flavour. alcohol doesn't clean water as the purity of the alcohol to purify water would need to be at about 100% 'which would kill you or make you go blind if consumed..[/quote]I think he's getting at the fact that back in the day, people in this country tended to drink mead, small beer, ale, etc. because water was generally contaminated and would make you ill. Alcohol wasn't 'pure' per se, but it was a safer option for day-to-day drinking, then end result being that most people were p!ssed most of the time. Anyway, he makes some good points. Try reading his comments instead of going off Daily Mail-style. Horace Wimpole

9:47am Sun 23 Sep 12

Max Impact says...

Brunning999 wrote:
It is quite astonishing how many people live in pathetic little lawless lives relying on either drugs, drink or a naughty little child law breaking life. This is an indication to the majority of hard working tax paying folk that we need to smother these morons before they grow to an unmanageable size. Well done Police for at least not giving up despite the fact the Criminal Justice System sadly seems to have done so. Transportation is the answer for anti social low life's or perhaps the increasing growth of Sharia Law demands might make them think.
It is good to see that there is another that has he same view as I do.

Just seen the wife and kids off through to the depatures lounge, and I am going to sit down and enjoy this Fry up that has just arrived, 2xbacon, 2xeggs, 2xsausage, beans, 2xhash brown, 2xfried slice, and a mug of tea.

Sundays were made for this.
[quote][p][bold]Brunning999[/bold] wrote: It is quite astonishing how many people live in pathetic little lawless lives relying on either drugs, drink or a naughty little child law breaking life. This is an indication to the majority of hard working tax paying folk that we need to smother these morons before they grow to an unmanageable size. Well done Police for at least not giving up despite the fact the Criminal Justice System sadly seems to have done so. Transportation is the answer for anti social low life's or perhaps the increasing growth of Sharia Law demands might make them think.[/p][/quote]It is good to see that there is another that has he same view as I do. Just seen the wife and kids off through to the depatures lounge, and I am going to sit down and enjoy this Fry up that has just arrived, 2xbacon, 2xeggs, 2xsausage, beans, 2xhash brown, 2xfried slice, and a mug of tea. Sundays were made for this. Max Impact

10:16am Sun 23 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

oh horace you turncoat
oh horace you turncoat beyond the valley of the asbos

12:10pm Sun 23 Sep 12

mouthend on trout says...

Brunning999 wrote:
It is quite astonishing how many people live in pathetic little lawless lives relying on either drugs, drink or a naughty little child law breaking life.

This is an indication to the majority of hard working tax paying folk that we need to smother these morons before they grow to an unmanageable size.

Well done Police for at least not giving up despite the fact the Criminal Justice System sadly seems to have done so.

Transportation is the answer for anti social low life's or perhaps the increasing growth of Sharia Law demands might make them think.
blah blah blah. just because you pay tax..

it doesn't mean your not a fascist... with a fascist attitude...

the most worrying thing about today's society is people like you police the streets... Community Support Officers!

find some happiness in your own life and you probably wont feel like this about everyone else around you....
[quote][p][bold]Brunning999[/bold] wrote: It is quite astonishing how many people live in pathetic little lawless lives relying on either drugs, drink or a naughty little child law breaking life. This is an indication to the majority of hard working tax paying folk that we need to smother these morons before they grow to an unmanageable size. Well done Police for at least not giving up despite the fact the Criminal Justice System sadly seems to have done so. Transportation is the answer for anti social low life's or perhaps the increasing growth of Sharia Law demands might make them think.[/p][/quote]blah blah blah. just because you pay tax.. it doesn't mean your not a fascist... with a fascist attitude... the most worrying thing about today's society is people like you police the streets... Community Support Officers! find some happiness in your own life and you probably wont feel like this about everyone else around you.... mouthend on trout

12:11pm Sun 23 Sep 12

mouthend on trout says...

Max Impact wrote:
Brunning999 wrote:
It is quite astonishing how many people live in pathetic little lawless lives relying on either drugs, drink or a naughty little child law breaking life. This is an indication to the majority of hard working tax paying folk that we need to smother these morons before they grow to an unmanageable size. Well done Police for at least not giving up despite the fact the Criminal Justice System sadly seems to have done so. Transportation is the answer for anti social low life's or perhaps the increasing growth of Sharia Law demands might make them think.
It is good to see that there is another that has he same view as I do.

Just seen the wife and kids off through to the depatures lounge, and I am going to sit down and enjoy this Fry up that has just arrived, 2xbacon, 2xeggs, 2xsausage, beans, 2xhash brown, 2xfried slice, and a mug of tea.

Sundays were made for this.
hero.
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brunning999[/bold] wrote: It is quite astonishing how many people live in pathetic little lawless lives relying on either drugs, drink or a naughty little child law breaking life. This is an indication to the majority of hard working tax paying folk that we need to smother these morons before they grow to an unmanageable size. Well done Police for at least not giving up despite the fact the Criminal Justice System sadly seems to have done so. Transportation is the answer for anti social low life's or perhaps the increasing growth of Sharia Law demands might make them think.[/p][/quote]It is good to see that there is another that has he same view as I do. Just seen the wife and kids off through to the depatures lounge, and I am going to sit down and enjoy this Fry up that has just arrived, 2xbacon, 2xeggs, 2xsausage, beans, 2xhash brown, 2xfried slice, and a mug of tea. Sundays were made for this.[/p][/quote]hero. mouthend on trout

12:13pm Sun 23 Sep 12

E-Types... says...

Max Impact wrote:
Brunning999 wrote:
It is quite astonishing how many people live in pathetic little lawless lives relying on either drugs, drink or a naughty little child law breaking life. This is an indication to the majority of hard working tax paying folk that we need to smother these morons before they grow to an unmanageable size. Well done Police for at least not giving up despite the fact the Criminal Justice System sadly seems to have done so. Transportation is the answer for anti social low life's or perhaps the increasing growth of Sharia Law demands might make them think.
It is good to see that there is another that has he same view as I do.

Just seen the wife and kids off through to the depatures lounge, and I am going to sit down and enjoy this Fry up that has just arrived, 2xbacon, 2xeggs, 2xsausage, beans, 2xhash brown, 2xfried slice, and a mug of tea.

Sundays were made for this.
a Fix for the obese!
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brunning999[/bold] wrote: It is quite astonishing how many people live in pathetic little lawless lives relying on either drugs, drink or a naughty little child law breaking life. This is an indication to the majority of hard working tax paying folk that we need to smother these morons before they grow to an unmanageable size. Well done Police for at least not giving up despite the fact the Criminal Justice System sadly seems to have done so. Transportation is the answer for anti social low life's or perhaps the increasing growth of Sharia Law demands might make them think.[/p][/quote]It is good to see that there is another that has he same view as I do. Just seen the wife and kids off through to the depatures lounge, and I am going to sit down and enjoy this Fry up that has just arrived, 2xbacon, 2xeggs, 2xsausage, beans, 2xhash brown, 2xfried slice, and a mug of tea. Sundays were made for this.[/p][/quote]a Fix for the obese! E-Types...

12:18pm Sun 23 Sep 12

E-Types... says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet on arrests being made after 1am. the echo would not have been briefed by the police unless there was solid intelligence.
Ha ha! Know nothing idiot, I am reliably informed by a number of young people that Mayhem is the club where you are least likely to find drugs, it's where young teens hang out trying to get drunk. Police intelligence is a joke.
oh dear oh dear. i thought that most inappropriate username had been jettisoned. you obviously didn't read the details of the other story. a quantity of pills were found and police are considering a review of the club's license. looks like your reliable informant is not so reliable.
I think Truth will Perverted missed you!
He was conspicuous by his meaningless presence until you made a showing.
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: if i were a betting man (which i am) i would bet on arrests being made after 1am. the echo would not have been briefed by the police unless there was solid intelligence.[/p][/quote]Ha ha! Know nothing idiot, I am reliably informed by a number of young people that Mayhem is the club where you are least likely to find drugs, it's where young teens hang out trying to get drunk. Police intelligence is a joke.[/p][/quote]oh dear oh dear. i thought that most inappropriate username had been jettisoned. you obviously didn't read the details of the other story. a quantity of pills were found and police are considering a review of the club's license. looks like your reliable informant is not so reliable.[/p][/quote]I think Truth will Perverted missed you! He was conspicuous by his meaningless presence until you made a showing. E-Types...

2:25pm Sun 23 Sep 12

the kracken says...

Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world .

The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet.

A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system.

The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people.

Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest.

We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.
Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world . The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet. A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system. The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people. Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest. We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system. the kracken

3:14pm Sun 23 Sep 12

aduksquack says...

the kracken wrote:
Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world .

The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet.

A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system.

The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people.

Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest.

We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.
The Philippines and much of Malaysia have a death sentence for drug dealing and smuggling. Guess what? They still have a huge illicit drugs trade.

Prohibition doesn't work. Prohibition has never worked. All it does is put a drain on public finances and ties up law enforcement agencies preventing them from dealing with real crime.
[quote][p][bold]the kracken[/bold] wrote: Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world . The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet. A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system. The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people. Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest. We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.[/p][/quote]The Philippines and much of Malaysia have a death sentence for drug dealing and smuggling. Guess what? They still have a huge illicit drugs trade. Prohibition doesn't work. Prohibition has never worked. All it does is put a drain on public finances and ties up law enforcement agencies preventing them from dealing with real crime. aduksquack

3:39pm Sun 23 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

the kracken wrote:
Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world .

The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet.

A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system.

The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people.

Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest.

We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.
a bleak but likely accurate assessment. the solution? exit (the joke that is) europe, take back a vice like grip on our borders and end the rights of all the eastern european drug dealers and somalians (floating prisons if we can't deport) to reside here.
[quote][p][bold]the kracken[/bold] wrote: Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world . The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet. A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system. The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people. Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest. We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.[/p][/quote]a bleak but likely accurate assessment. the solution? exit (the joke that is) europe, take back a vice like grip on our borders and end the rights of all the eastern european drug dealers and somalians (floating prisons if we can't deport) to reside here. beyond the valley of the asbos

3:44pm Sun 23 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

aduksquack wrote:
the kracken wrote:
Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world .

The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet.

A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system.

The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people.

Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest.

We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.
The Philippines and much of Malaysia have a death sentence for drug dealing and smuggling. Guess what? They still have a huge illicit drugs trade.

Prohibition doesn't work. Prohibition has never worked. All it does is put a drain on public finances and ties up law enforcement agencies preventing them from dealing with real crime.
real crime like this drug related incident?
http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/southend/9928504.
Tower_block_killing_
and_robbery__2_jaile
d/

they don't call you the shoebury clown for nothing.
[quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the kracken[/bold] wrote: Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world . The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet. A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system. The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people. Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest. We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.[/p][/quote]The Philippines and much of Malaysia have a death sentence for drug dealing and smuggling. Guess what? They still have a huge illicit drugs trade. Prohibition doesn't work. Prohibition has never worked. All it does is put a drain on public finances and ties up law enforcement agencies preventing them from dealing with real crime.[/p][/quote]real crime like this drug related incident? http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9928504. Tower_block_killing_ and_robbery__2_jaile d/ they don't call you the shoebury clown for nothing. beyond the valley of the asbos

4:05pm Sun 23 Sep 12

John the resonator says...

bignosechaff wrote:
It about time the police showed the club owners that they will not tolerate drug and under-age drinking. If they raid pubs in the same way perhaps landlords would be more responsible
So 100 police and some dogs and they found no drugs and made no arrests, what exactly are they 'not tolerating?'
[quote][p][bold]bignosechaff[/bold] wrote: It about time the police showed the club owners that they will not tolerate drug and under-age drinking. If they raid pubs in the same way perhaps landlords would be more responsible[/p][/quote]So 100 police and some dogs and they found no drugs and made no arrests, what exactly are they 'not tolerating?' John the resonator

4:05pm Sun 23 Sep 12

aduksquack says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
the kracken wrote:
Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world .

The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet.

A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system.

The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people.

Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest.

We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.
The Philippines and much of Malaysia have a death sentence for drug dealing and smuggling. Guess what? They still have a huge illicit drugs trade.

Prohibition doesn't work. Prohibition has never worked. All it does is put a drain on public finances and ties up law enforcement agencies preventing them from dealing with real crime.
real crime like this drug related incident?
http://www.echo-news

.co.uk/news/local_ne

ws/southend/9928504.

Tower_block_killing_

and_robbery__2_jaile

d/

they don't call you the shoebury clown for nothing.
How many people get killed over alcohol and tobacco selling? None.
How much tax do alcohol and tobacco generate? £billions.

Let government legalise, produce, regulate, and tax all recreational drugs, and the associated crime practically disappears, as do the enormous policing costs, while at the same time creating a whole new revenue stream.

How much did that waste of time raid on Mayhem cost? 100 police officers, on overtime, bet that wasn't cheap, and to do what? Catch a few kids with a few quids worth of cannabis? Talk about a monumental waste of the taxpayers' coin!

Your way leaves an enormous multi-billion pound industry in the hands of criminals and terrorists. Prohibition of drugs is directly funding terrorism and crime. Meanwhile government throws £billions down the drain each and every year trying to stop something that is unstoppable.

But it's a waste of time explaining any of this to you. You're too busy having your knees jerked by the Daily Mail.

I'll leave you to post more insults now.
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the kracken[/bold] wrote: Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world . The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet. A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system. The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people. Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest. We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.[/p][/quote]The Philippines and much of Malaysia have a death sentence for drug dealing and smuggling. Guess what? They still have a huge illicit drugs trade. Prohibition doesn't work. Prohibition has never worked. All it does is put a drain on public finances and ties up law enforcement agencies preventing them from dealing with real crime.[/p][/quote]real crime like this drug related incident? http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9928504. Tower_block_killing_ and_robbery__2_jaile d/ they don't call you the shoebury clown for nothing.[/p][/quote]How many people get killed over alcohol and tobacco selling? None. How much tax do alcohol and tobacco generate? £billions. Let government legalise, produce, regulate, and tax all recreational drugs, and the associated crime practically disappears, as do the enormous policing costs, while at the same time creating a whole new revenue stream. How much did that waste of time raid on Mayhem cost? 100 police officers, on overtime, bet that wasn't cheap, and to do what? Catch a few kids with a few quids worth of cannabis? Talk about a monumental waste of the taxpayers' coin! Your way leaves an enormous multi-billion pound industry in the hands of criminals and terrorists. Prohibition of drugs is directly funding terrorism and crime. Meanwhile government throws £billions down the drain each and every year trying to stop something that is unstoppable. But it's a waste of time explaining any of this to you. You're too busy having your knees jerked by the Daily Mail. I'll leave you to post more insults now. aduksquack

4:16pm Sun 23 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

aduksquack wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
the kracken wrote:
Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world .

The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet.

A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system.

The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people.

Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest.

We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.
The Philippines and much of Malaysia have a death sentence for drug dealing and smuggling. Guess what? They still have a huge illicit drugs trade.

Prohibition doesn't work. Prohibition has never worked. All it does is put a drain on public finances and ties up law enforcement agencies preventing them from dealing with real crime.
real crime like this drug related incident?
http://www.echo-news


.co.uk/news/local_ne


ws/southend/9928504.


Tower_block_killing_


and_robbery__2_jaile


d/

they don't call you the shoebury clown for nothing.
How many people get killed over alcohol and tobacco selling? None.
How much tax do alcohol and tobacco generate? £billions.

Let government legalise, produce, regulate, and tax all recreational drugs, and the associated crime practically disappears, as do the enormous policing costs, while at the same time creating a whole new revenue stream.

How much did that waste of time raid on Mayhem cost? 100 police officers, on overtime, bet that wasn't cheap, and to do what? Catch a few kids with a few quids worth of cannabis? Talk about a monumental waste of the taxpayers' coin!

Your way leaves an enormous multi-billion pound industry in the hands of criminals and terrorists. Prohibition of drugs is directly funding terrorism and crime. Meanwhile government throws £billions down the drain each and every year trying to stop something that is unstoppable.

But it's a waste of time explaining any of this to you. You're too busy having your knees jerked by the Daily Mail.

I'll leave you to post more insults now.
nonsense. you just want to legitimise your dirty habits. with your way (which is completely impractical and unthought out btw - pop down to the newsagent for some crack cocaine - yeah get real) the drug epidemic we have now will be unimaginably immense.
the drug problem is this country can be traced back to 2 specific events. 1)the relaxation of european immigration and loosening of our borders and 2)blunkett's disastrous decision to downgrade cannabis.
oh and btw i don't read the daily mail but i KNOW you read the socialist worker.
[quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the kracken[/bold] wrote: Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world . The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet. A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system. The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people. Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest. We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.[/p][/quote]The Philippines and much of Malaysia have a death sentence for drug dealing and smuggling. Guess what? They still have a huge illicit drugs trade. Prohibition doesn't work. Prohibition has never worked. All it does is put a drain on public finances and ties up law enforcement agencies preventing them from dealing with real crime.[/p][/quote]real crime like this drug related incident? http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/9928504. Tower_block_killing_ and_robbery__2_jaile d/ they don't call you the shoebury clown for nothing.[/p][/quote]How many people get killed over alcohol and tobacco selling? None. How much tax do alcohol and tobacco generate? £billions. Let government legalise, produce, regulate, and tax all recreational drugs, and the associated crime practically disappears, as do the enormous policing costs, while at the same time creating a whole new revenue stream. How much did that waste of time raid on Mayhem cost? 100 police officers, on overtime, bet that wasn't cheap, and to do what? Catch a few kids with a few quids worth of cannabis? Talk about a monumental waste of the taxpayers' coin! Your way leaves an enormous multi-billion pound industry in the hands of criminals and terrorists. Prohibition of drugs is directly funding terrorism and crime. Meanwhile government throws £billions down the drain each and every year trying to stop something that is unstoppable. But it's a waste of time explaining any of this to you. You're too busy having your knees jerked by the Daily Mail. I'll leave you to post more insults now.[/p][/quote]nonsense. you just want to legitimise your dirty habits. with your way (which is completely impractical and unthought out btw - pop down to the newsagent for some crack cocaine - yeah get real) the drug epidemic we have now will be unimaginably immense. the drug problem is this country can be traced back to 2 specific events. 1)the relaxation of european immigration and loosening of our borders and 2)blunkett's disastrous decision to downgrade cannabis. oh and btw i don't read the daily mail but i KNOW you read the socialist worker. beyond the valley of the asbos

4:33pm Sun 23 Sep 12

aduksquack says...

QED.
QED. aduksquack

4:42pm Sun 23 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

aduksquack wrote:
QED.
the truth? you can't handle the truth.
btw with the resurrection of this username do we need any more evidence of your use of simultaneous, multiple echo usernames?
[quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: QED.[/p][/quote]the truth? you can't handle the truth. btw with the resurrection of this username do we need any more evidence of your use of simultaneous, multiple echo usernames? beyond the valley of the asbos

5:43pm Sun 23 Sep 12

humps says...

All these stupid and crass comments about the police are a joke! The police have a difficult job to do and they can never please all of the people all of the time. But to all of the stupid people commenting about the negative policing, think who would you call if you where raped, assaulted, robbed, attacked, threatened, etc etc.
It is so easy to put the boot in from the comfort of your arm chair, bedroom, etc but when needed they are at the end of a phone. What would rather prefer nothing and defend yourself and take your own chances, you wouldn't last a day. Leave the police alone and let get on with the job!
All these stupid and crass comments about the police are a joke! The police have a difficult job to do and they can never please all of the people all of the time. But to all of the stupid people commenting about the negative policing, think who would you call if you where raped, assaulted, robbed, attacked, threatened, etc etc. It is so easy to put the boot in from the comfort of your arm chair, bedroom, etc but when needed they are at the end of a phone. What would rather prefer nothing and defend yourself and take your own chances, you wouldn't last a day. Leave the police alone and let get on with the job! humps

6:52pm Sun 23 Sep 12

aduksquack says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
QED.
the truth? you can't handle the truth.
btw with the resurrection of this username do we need any more evidence of your use of simultaneous, multiple echo usernames?
I see you have no answer to a cogent argument. What a surprise coming from Evilc, Shoebury asbo, churchofasbo, and now beyond the valley of the asbos.

I've never yet seen you do anything other than troll and post insults on this website.
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: QED.[/p][/quote]the truth? you can't handle the truth. btw with the resurrection of this username do we need any more evidence of your use of simultaneous, multiple echo usernames?[/p][/quote]I see you have no answer to a cogent argument. What a surprise coming from Evilc, Shoebury asbo, churchofasbo, and now beyond the valley of the asbos. I've never yet seen you do anything other than troll and post insults on this website. aduksquack

6:53pm Sun 23 Sep 12

Druggie Scumbag says...

@the kracken who said:

"The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people."

Thaksin tried that in Thailand some years ago. Didn't work.
@the kracken who said: "The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people." Thaksin tried that in Thailand some years ago. Didn't work. Druggie Scumbag

6:54pm Sun 23 Sep 12

E-Types... says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
the kracken wrote:
Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world .

The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet.

A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system.

The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people.

Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest.

We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.
a bleak but likely accurate assessment. the solution? exit (the joke that is) europe, take back a vice like grip on our borders and end the rights of all the eastern european drug dealers and somalians (floating prisons if we can't deport) to reside here.
Politicians are only puppets of those who make the rules into which way a country will go.
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the kracken[/bold] wrote: Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world . The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet. A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system. The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people. Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest. We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.[/p][/quote]a bleak but likely accurate assessment. the solution? exit (the joke that is) europe, take back a vice like grip on our borders and end the rights of all the eastern european drug dealers and somalians (floating prisons if we can't deport) to reside here.[/p][/quote]Politicians are only puppets of those who make the rules into which way a country will go. E-Types...

7:15pm Sun 23 Sep 12

E-Types... says...

E-Types... wrote:
Basildon.lad.21 wrote:
mouthend on trout wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Those who deal drugs those who take drugs are as low life scum as peados.

Strange how many new posters have poped up prehaps they did not get their hit last night and are just about in the real word to be able to sting a few words together.

Anyone found with Class A should face 2 years for the first offence 4 for the second 8 for the third and so on, dealers have double that.

The only males that take drugs have small **** and the gils are all shemaes!
****
Max impact. Congratulations you have won the award for the most stupid comment ever posted in the Echo history. 'Low life scum as peados'. So alcohol is a drug, those who drink are low life scum? Many famous and respected people have had drug problems through their careers, like Whitney Houston, Robbie Williams, Eminem. And thats only naming 3. I bet your a very sad sad person.
You mean because some pop singers (mimers) have drug problems that legitimises drugs?

What does Whitney?
What does Whitney think?
[quote][p][bold]E-Types...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Basildon.lad.21[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mouthend on trout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: Those who deal drugs those who take drugs are as low life scum as peados. Strange how many new posters have poped up prehaps they did not get their hit last night and are just about in the real word to be able to sting a few words together. Anyone found with Class A should face 2 years for the first offence 4 for the second 8 for the third and so on, dealers have double that. The only males that take drugs have small **** and the gils are all shemaes![/p][/quote]****[/p][/quote]Max impact. Congratulations you have won the award for the most stupid comment ever posted in the Echo history. 'Low life scum as peados'. So alcohol is a drug, those who drink are low life scum? Many famous and respected people have had drug problems through their careers, like Whitney Houston, Robbie Williams, Eminem. And thats only naming 3. I bet your a very sad sad person.[/p][/quote]You mean because some pop singers (mimers) have drug problems that legitimises drugs? What does Whitney?[/p][/quote]What does Whitney think? E-Types...

7:16pm Sun 23 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

aduksquack wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
QED.
the truth? you can't handle the truth.
btw with the resurrection of this username do we need any more evidence of your use of simultaneous, multiple echo usernames?
I see you have no answer to a cogent argument. What a surprise coming from Evilc, Shoebury asbo, churchofasbo, and now beyond the valley of the asbos.

I've never yet seen you do anything other than troll and post insults on this website.
haha evilc - you really have no clue or cogent arguments. lol.
[quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: QED.[/p][/quote]the truth? you can't handle the truth. btw with the resurrection of this username do we need any more evidence of your use of simultaneous, multiple echo usernames?[/p][/quote]I see you have no answer to a cogent argument. What a surprise coming from Evilc, Shoebury asbo, churchofasbo, and now beyond the valley of the asbos. I've never yet seen you do anything other than troll and post insults on this website.[/p][/quote]haha evilc - you really have no clue or cogent arguments. lol. beyond the valley of the asbos

7:18pm Sun 23 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

E-Types... wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
the kracken wrote:
Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world .

The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet.

A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system.

The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people.

Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest.

We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.
a bleak but likely accurate assessment. the solution? exit (the joke that is) europe, take back a vice like grip on our borders and end the rights of all the eastern european drug dealers and somalians (floating prisons if we can't deport) to reside here.
Politicians are only puppets of those who make the rules into which way a country will go.
or puppets of their masters in brussels.
[quote][p][bold]E-Types...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the kracken[/bold] wrote: Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world . The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet. A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system. The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people. Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest. We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.[/p][/quote]a bleak but likely accurate assessment. the solution? exit (the joke that is) europe, take back a vice like grip on our borders and end the rights of all the eastern european drug dealers and somalians (floating prisons if we can't deport) to reside here.[/p][/quote]Politicians are only puppets of those who make the rules into which way a country will go.[/p][/quote]or puppets of their masters in brussels. beyond the valley of the asbos

7:20pm Sun 23 Sep 12

aduksquack says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
QED.
the truth? you can't handle the truth.
btw with the resurrection of this username do we need any more evidence of your use of simultaneous, multiple echo usernames?
I see you have no answer to a cogent argument. What a surprise coming from Evilc, Shoebury asbo, churchofasbo, and now beyond the valley of the asbos.

I've never yet seen you do anything other than troll and post insults on this website.
haha evilc - you really have no clue or cogent arguments. lol.
When I first read this I thought it was a joke. I now realise it is dead serious and all about you:

http://www.thedailym
ash.co.uk/news/socie
ty/worlds-wisest-man
-found-on-internet-2
012091841420
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: QED.[/p][/quote]the truth? you can't handle the truth. btw with the resurrection of this username do we need any more evidence of your use of simultaneous, multiple echo usernames?[/p][/quote]I see you have no answer to a cogent argument. What a surprise coming from Evilc, Shoebury asbo, churchofasbo, and now beyond the valley of the asbos. I've never yet seen you do anything other than troll and post insults on this website.[/p][/quote]haha evilc - you really have no clue or cogent arguments. lol.[/p][/quote]When I first read this I thought it was a joke. I now realise it is dead serious and all about you: http://www.thedailym ash.co.uk/news/socie ty/worlds-wisest-man -found-on-internet-2 012091841420 aduksquack

7:30pm Sun 23 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

Druggie Scumbag wrote:
@the kracken who said:

"The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people."

Thaksin tried that in Thailand some years ago. Didn't work.
thailand is frankly lawless. redundant comparison
[quote][p][bold]Druggie Scumbag[/bold] wrote: @the kracken who said: "The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people." Thaksin tried that in Thailand some years ago. Didn't work.[/p][/quote]thailand is frankly lawless. redundant comparison beyond the valley of the asbos

8:03pm Sun 23 Sep 12

E-Types... says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
E-Types... wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
the kracken wrote:
Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world .

The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet.

A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system.

The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people.

Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest.

We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.
a bleak but likely accurate assessment. the solution? exit (the joke that is) europe, take back a vice like grip on our borders and end the rights of all the eastern european drug dealers and somalians (floating prisons if we can't deport) to reside here.
Politicians are only puppets of those who make the rules into which way a country will go.
or puppets of their masters in brussels.
But then who makes the rules for Brussels?
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the kracken[/bold] wrote: Drugs and Alcohol are the cause of some many social problems and crimes in society. In my opinion the liberalisation thinking of the use of all drugs has seriously blighted society. Our politicians have tried to emulate the continent in terms of 24 hour cafe culture.They are stupid and naive ,they do not live in the real world . The british are a different kind of people from those on the continent and need a firm hand. That will be realised as society implodes in the decades to come, when riots, violence and general disorder will occur on a weekly basis,when the money runs out and morals sink further down the toilet. A new kind of politician will bring the order the british people need and those who advocate liberalism are disinfected from the influential positions they hold in politics, education, and the justice system. The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people. Drug users are a mix of adventurous youth and weak minded folk, the latter may well need a spell in special units to dry them out and put them to work ,hard manual labour working to build this country back up until what it used to be. Others can be conscripted into the army into penal battalions, where their debt to society will be repaid with interest. We must get tough on alcohol as well, I advocate, much tougher licensing laws, and no longer will be under the influence of drug or drink be any kind of mitigating factor in the courts, in future it will be an aggravating factor,meaning a more severe punishment.An era of personal responsibility will occur as the social workers ,liberal yogurt weavers will no longer have any say in the justice system.[/p][/quote]a bleak but likely accurate assessment. the solution? exit (the joke that is) europe, take back a vice like grip on our borders and end the rights of all the eastern european drug dealers and somalians (floating prisons if we can't deport) to reside here.[/p][/quote]Politicians are only puppets of those who make the rules into which way a country will go.[/p][/quote]or puppets of their masters in brussels.[/p][/quote]But then who makes the rules for Brussels? E-Types...

8:11pm Sun 23 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

it's communism in all but name - they are unelected and unaccountable. just ask the shoebury clown....it's the one thing he understands!
it's communism in all but name - they are unelected and unaccountable. just ask the shoebury clown....it's the one thing he understands! beyond the valley of the asbos

8:43pm Sun 23 Sep 12

jayman says...

this is how Active the pro cannabis group is.

with simplistic websites offering cut and paste legal advice and tips on activism, lol..


http://www.ukcia.org
/activism/index.php

can they at least once drop the cannabis leaf logo... it makes the whole identity of the website look juvenile. I suppose that's part of the problem, there may be a good argument towards the legalisation of cannabis, but its presented in the most child like way and its activists refuse to deviate from there deluded belief that its a harmless drug..

the law is not there to protect your silly individual habits.

the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom.

do you honestly expect the house of commons to dedicate time for the lengthy process of parliament and lords time for readings and debates on the weight of a basic website and a few misguided opinions....

good luck..
this is how Active the pro cannabis group is. with simplistic websites offering cut and paste legal advice and tips on activism, lol.. http://www.ukcia.org /activism/index.php can they at least once drop the cannabis leaf logo... it makes the whole identity of the website look juvenile. I suppose that's part of the problem, there may be a good argument towards the legalisation of cannabis, but its presented in the most child like way and its activists refuse to deviate from there deluded belief that its a harmless drug.. the law is not there to protect your silly individual habits. the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom. do you honestly expect the house of commons to dedicate time for the lengthy process of parliament and lords time for readings and debates on the weight of a basic website and a few misguided opinions.... good luck.. jayman

10:57pm Sun 23 Sep 12

aduksquack says...

"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?
"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis? aduksquack

4:11am Mon 24 Sep 12

Druggie Scumbag says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Druggie Scumbag wrote:
@the kracken who said:

"The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people."

Thaksin tried that in Thailand some years ago. Didn't work.
thailand is frankly lawless. redundant comparison
With respect, your suggestion itself is redundant. You know very well that such a policy will never be introduced in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Druggie Scumbag[/bold] wrote: @the kracken who said: "The only way to deal with the drugs problem is to eradicate the supply ,you do this by shooting all drug dealers and smugglers. Drug dealing will become a seriously unpopular 'profession' when you see people being herded into police vans in the early hours to experience instant justice of the people." Thaksin tried that in Thailand some years ago. Didn't work.[/p][/quote]thailand is frankly lawless. redundant comparison[/p][/quote]With respect, your suggestion itself is redundant. You know very well that such a policy will never be introduced in the UK. Druggie Scumbag

9:04am Mon 24 Sep 12

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Excellent Work by our finest, should be a regular thing and can only send out a clear message to those that they where targeting...job done.
Excellent Work by our finest, should be a regular thing and can only send out a clear message to those that they where targeting...job done. DogsMessInLeigh

9:51am Mon 24 Sep 12

Druggie Scumbag says...

Of course it all started to go wrong in the 60s when a monkey could buy a little consideration of bail and the 'golden hook' of the 70s when the traffic cops had a nice little earner from the garages and extortionate tow-in / recovery charges. Free Chinese or Indians in the 80s. Now it has progressed to illegal drugs. Let this be a lesson to all would-be police officers- It may start with a cheapo vindaloo but it can end in drug induced misery. Remember- Just say NO! (Thank you Mrs. Reagan).
Of course it all started to go wrong in the 60s when a monkey could buy a little consideration of bail and the 'golden hook' of the 70s when the traffic cops had a nice little earner from the garages and extortionate tow-in / recovery charges. Free Chinese or Indians in the 80s. Now it has progressed to illegal drugs. Let this be a lesson to all would-be police officers- It may start with a cheapo vindaloo but it can end in drug induced misery. Remember- Just say NO! (Thank you Mrs. Reagan). Druggie Scumbag

9:55am Mon 24 Sep 12

mouthend on trout says...

John the resonator wrote:
bignosechaff wrote:
It about time the police showed the club owners that they will not tolerate drug and under-age drinking. If they raid pubs in the same way perhaps landlords would be more responsible
So 100 police and some dogs and they found no drugs and made no arrests, what exactly are they 'not tolerating?'
traffic warden in the making!
[quote][p][bold]John the resonator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bignosechaff[/bold] wrote: It about time the police showed the club owners that they will not tolerate drug and under-age drinking. If they raid pubs in the same way perhaps landlords would be more responsible[/p][/quote]So 100 police and some dogs and they found no drugs and made no arrests, what exactly are they 'not tolerating?'[/p][/quote]traffic warden in the making! mouthend on trout

9:58am Mon 24 Sep 12

Druggie Scumbag says...

Jayman says:

"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

Can freedom be relative?
Jayman says: "the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." Can freedom be relative? Druggie Scumbag

11:09am Mon 24 Sep 12

John the resonator says...

mouthend on trout wrote:
John the resonator wrote:
bignosechaff wrote:
It about time the police showed the club owners that they will not tolerate drug and under-age drinking. If they raid pubs in the same way perhaps landlords would be more responsible
So 100 police and some dogs and they found no drugs and made no arrests, what exactly are they 'not tolerating?'
traffic warden in the making!
Eh?
[quote][p][bold]mouthend on trout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John the resonator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bignosechaff[/bold] wrote: It about time the police showed the club owners that they will not tolerate drug and under-age drinking. If they raid pubs in the same way perhaps landlords would be more responsible[/p][/quote]So 100 police and some dogs and they found no drugs and made no arrests, what exactly are they 'not tolerating?'[/p][/quote]traffic warden in the making![/p][/quote]Eh? John the resonator

11:17am Mon 24 Sep 12

John the resonator says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
Excellent Work by our finest, should be a regular thing and can only send out a clear message to those that they where targeting...job done.
Targeting what? The operation involved cars, vans, dogs, horses and 100 police for "no arrests had been made and no drugs seized" in addition to disrupting people's night out and the club's business that evening.

I wish certain crimes routinely going on under the police noses would get 10% this much 'targeting.'
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: Excellent Work by our finest, should be a regular thing and can only send out a clear message to those that they where targeting...job done.[/p][/quote]Targeting what? The operation involved cars, vans, dogs, horses and 100 police for "no arrests had been made and no drugs seized" in addition to disrupting people's night out and the club's business that evening. I wish certain crimes routinely going on under the police noses would get 10% this much 'targeting.' John the resonator

12:40pm Mon 24 Sep 12

E-Types... says...

Druggie Scumbag wrote:
Jayman says:

"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

Can freedom be relative?
Well it can be close to your heart!
[quote][p][bold]Druggie Scumbag[/bold] wrote: Jayman says: "the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." Can freedom be relative?[/p][/quote]Well it can be close to your heart! E-Types...

2:13pm Mon 24 Sep 12

turtlemanor says...

jasper2013 wrote:
9 marked vehicles I walked pass and counted 26 police cars and vans 2 mounted officers and an ambulance
well spent 30 years telling kids to be good and pay respect to police, well done A team people who are out for the night told to get out on the street, most young boys and girls having fun not drugs but with the same brush now. why get the hump my daughter was one of them who tried to help a man that had fell over a fence and banged his head she tried to help him she did not no him but was a first aider but was told to leave him alone or be arrested she explained she had not been drinking as she was the driver for the night and told maybe you should have had a drink.
the police no the drug suppliers but go after kids and guess what while this was going on your granny was being broke into or your car stolen, sorry we got no one available but ill give you a crime number to be screwed by your insurance company if your bank did,nt mess the payment up.must be time for the figures to come out for crime try the figures for the police who are happy in the job, who dont want to be part of this circus. what a mess this great country has become.
[quote][p][bold]jasper2013[/bold] wrote: 9 marked vehicles I walked pass and counted 26 police cars and vans 2 mounted officers and an ambulance[/p][/quote]well spent 30 years telling kids to be good and pay respect to police, well done A team people who are out for the night told to get out on the street, most young boys and girls having fun not drugs but with the same brush now. why get the hump my daughter was one of them who tried to help a man that had fell over a fence and banged his head she tried to help him she did not no him but was a first aider but was told to leave him alone or be arrested she explained she had not been drinking as she was the driver for the night and told maybe you should have had a drink. the police no the drug suppliers but go after kids and guess what while this was going on your granny was being broke into or your car stolen, sorry we got no one available but ill give you a crime number to be screwed by your insurance company if your bank did,nt mess the payment up.must be time for the figures to come out for crime try the figures for the police who are happy in the job, who dont want to be part of this circus. what a mess this great country has become. turtlemanor

3:02pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Spread 'em says...

bignosechaff wrote:
It about time the police showed the club owners that they will not tolerate drug and under-age drinking. If they raid pubs in the same way perhaps landlords would be more responsible
by targeting a club that is known for not having a drug problem??
[quote][p][bold]bignosechaff[/bold] wrote: It about time the police showed the club owners that they will not tolerate drug and under-age drinking. If they raid pubs in the same way perhaps landlords would be more responsible[/p][/quote]by targeting a club that is known for not having a drug problem?? Spread 'em

4:30pm Mon 24 Sep 12

jayman says...

Druggie Scumbag wrote:
Jayman says:

"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

Can freedom be relative?
yes it can be relative.

you have the freedom to swim the English channel if you want to. No one would stop you. its your right to swim in English waters.

problem is, you probably couldn't swim that far. you would then become distressed and start to drown. At this point you would then be hoping that the RNLI rescue you. So your freedom has become relative to a bad decision you have made. Your freedom to make a bad choice has resulted in the your life being in the hands of someone on the shore spotting you and recognising that you are in distress. In other words at that point.. you have no freedom.

this can be applied to drug misuse..
[quote][p][bold]Druggie Scumbag[/bold] wrote: Jayman says: "the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." Can freedom be relative?[/p][/quote]yes it can be relative. you have the freedom to swim the English channel if you want to. No one would stop you. its your right to swim in English waters. problem is, you probably couldn't swim that far. you would then become distressed and start to drown. At this point you would then be hoping that the RNLI rescue you. So your freedom has become relative to a bad decision you have made. Your freedom to make a bad choice has resulted in the your life being in the hands of someone on the shore spotting you and recognising that you are in distress. In other words at that point.. you have no freedom. this can be applied to drug misuse.. jayman

4:54pm Mon 24 Sep 12

jayman says...

aduksquack wrote:
"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?
the law will not be amended at cost to the taxpayer and forsaking large amounts of parliamentary and lords time the could be used for other causes just because you want to legitimise another harmful habit..
[quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: "the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?[/p][/quote]the law will not be amended at cost to the taxpayer and forsaking large amounts of parliamentary and lords time the could be used for other causes just because you want to legitimise another harmful habit.. jayman

5:09pm Mon 24 Sep 12

ShawnRay says...

I was not there on the day but I have been to Mayhem many, many times.I don't believe this was the right course of action to be undertaken by police. It was too sudden, unreasonable, unfair and a waste of time and money (For tax payers, for clubbers and for Mayhem) given the evident result.
Drugs are everywhere; in Southend, in Essex, in the U.K. That's life and fact. Crackdown on it if you must. I do not object to a crackdown on drugs, especially around Southends nightlife. I feel police could have spent time working with door staff a lot more closely over a period of time, rather than planning an all out chaotic barrage on Southends nightlife.
Door staff in Southend are much too focused on age. I have rarely seen door staff searching people for drugs and possible weaponry; not even a swift 'pat-down'. Therefore, I believe you are expected to find drugs in a range of establishments in and around Southend. It's that relaxed. I have seen it happen many times with my own eyes in many places. Never have I seen anyone get caught.
I think police should act to make a persons entrance to a club/bar such as Mayhem more alike airport security if it's drugs they want to crackdown on within Southends nightlife. I think that way you'd find that there would be less reports of drug usage within Southends clubbing nightlife. Now that, is something I would consider a good use of policing, time and money.
I was not there on the day but I have been to Mayhem many, many times.I don't believe this was the right course of action to be undertaken by police. It was too sudden, unreasonable, unfair and a waste of time and money (For tax payers, for clubbers and for Mayhem) given the evident result. Drugs are everywhere; in Southend, in Essex, in the U.K. That's life and fact. Crackdown on it if you must. I do not object to a crackdown on drugs, especially around Southends nightlife. I feel police could have spent time working with door staff a lot more closely over a period of time, rather than planning an all out chaotic barrage on Southends nightlife. Door staff in Southend are much too focused on age. I have rarely seen door staff searching people for drugs and possible weaponry; not even a swift 'pat-down'. Therefore, I believe you are expected to find drugs in a range of establishments in and around Southend. It's that relaxed. I have seen it happen many times with my own eyes in many places. Never have I seen anyone get caught. I think police should act to make a persons entrance to a club/bar such as Mayhem more alike airport security if it's drugs they want to crackdown on within Southends nightlife. I think that way you'd find that there would be less reports of drug usage within Southends clubbing nightlife. Now that, is something I would consider a good use of policing, time and money. ShawnRay

5:16pm Mon 24 Sep 12

SpaffSpiff84 says...

There is no point arguing with old people, they have no idea what they are talking about, they will be dead in 20 years and then we will have this gaff to ourselves
There is no point arguing with old people, they have no idea what they are talking about, they will be dead in 20 years and then we will have this gaff to ourselves SpaffSpiff84

5:50pm Mon 24 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

SpaffSpiff84 wrote:
There is no point arguing with old people, they have no idea what they are talking about, they will be dead in 20 years and then we will have this gaff to ourselves
nappy change for shankovic
[quote][p][bold]SpaffSpiff84[/bold] wrote: There is no point arguing with old people, they have no idea what they are talking about, they will be dead in 20 years and then we will have this gaff to ourselves[/p][/quote]nappy change for shankovic beyond the valley of the asbos

7:02pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Druggie Scumbag says...

jayman wrote:
Druggie Scumbag wrote:
Jayman says:

"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

Can freedom be relative?
yes it can be relative.

you have the freedom to swim the English channel if you want to. No one would stop you. its your right to swim in English waters.

problem is, you probably couldn't swim that far. you would then become distressed and start to drown. At this point you would then be hoping that the RNLI rescue you. So your freedom has become relative to a bad decision you have made. Your freedom to make a bad choice has resulted in the your life being in the hands of someone on the shore spotting you and recognising that you are in distress. In other words at that point.. you have no freedom.

this can be applied to drug misuse..
I quite like your example of the freedom to swim the channel. You see, that is absolute freedom. I may or may not choose to do it. There are no qualifiers, nobody is saying "You can only do that if....". Anything short of that unqualified right is not freedom.

There is no such thing as "Relative freedom".
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Druggie Scumbag[/bold] wrote: Jayman says: "the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." Can freedom be relative?[/p][/quote]yes it can be relative. you have the freedom to swim the English channel if you want to. No one would stop you. its your right to swim in English waters. problem is, you probably couldn't swim that far. you would then become distressed and start to drown. At this point you would then be hoping that the RNLI rescue you. So your freedom has become relative to a bad decision you have made. Your freedom to make a bad choice has resulted in the your life being in the hands of someone on the shore spotting you and recognising that you are in distress. In other words at that point.. you have no freedom. this can be applied to drug misuse..[/p][/quote]I quite like your example of the freedom to swim the channel. You see, that is absolute freedom. I may or may not choose to do it. There are no qualifiers, nobody is saying "You can only do that if....". Anything short of that unqualified right is not freedom. There is no such thing as "Relative freedom". Druggie Scumbag

9:25pm Mon 24 Sep 12

GlenEckett says...

The news of this raid will have spread far and wide....so they didn't find any drugs this time, but I'm sure it will make a few people think twice next time if they had planned to take some.
The news of this raid will have spread far and wide....so they didn't find any drugs this time, but I'm sure it will make a few people think twice next time if they had planned to take some. GlenEckett

9:55pm Mon 24 Sep 12

southchurch bob says...

Basildon.lad.21 wrote:
CALL ME CLINT wrote:
Tulip44 wrote:
It's the innocent people I feel sorry for,.my daughter works hard all week, looked forward to her night out, and was dragged out and made to stand shivering, in a skimpy dress and no coat, for over an hour outside! They could have at least provided those tin foil blankets. Disgusting!
Why was your daughter kept waiting on the street for so long? Obviously, had she been in possession of anything she shouldn't have been it would have been jettisoned long before she was searched- I assume that was the purpose of her detention. I have nothing against the police enforcing the law as it relates to drugs even though I believe the law to be wrong. The enforcement should however be carried out efficiently and in a manner likely to cause the minimum of distress, discomfort and inconvenience to (let's face it) the law-abiding people frequenting the club.

I think your daughter has good reason to feel aggrieved at her treatment but I'm sure you will do your best to help her understand that in general the police do a good job in difficult times with **** as political masters and that sometimes they get things wrong.
The government are usually wrong mate 99% of the time.
with that amount of police ? totaly over the top
[quote][p][bold]Basildon.lad.21[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CALL ME CLINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tulip44[/bold] wrote: It's the innocent people I feel sorry for,.my daughter works hard all week, looked forward to her night out, and was dragged out and made to stand shivering, in a skimpy dress and no coat, for over an hour outside! They could have at least provided those tin foil blankets. Disgusting![/p][/quote]Why was your daughter kept waiting on the street for so long? Obviously, had she been in possession of anything she shouldn't have been it would have been jettisoned long before she was searched- I assume that was the purpose of her detention. I have nothing against the police enforcing the law as it relates to drugs even though I believe the law to be wrong. The enforcement should however be carried out efficiently and in a manner likely to cause the minimum of distress, discomfort and inconvenience to (let's face it) the law-abiding people frequenting the club. I think your daughter has good reason to feel aggrieved at her treatment but I'm sure you will do your best to help her understand that in general the police do a good job in difficult times with **** as political masters and that sometimes they get things wrong.[/p][/quote]The government are usually wrong mate 99% of the time.[/p][/quote]with that amount of police ? totaly over the top southchurch bob

10:25pm Mon 24 Sep 12

jayman says...

Druggie Scumbag wrote:
jayman wrote:
Druggie Scumbag wrote:
Jayman says:

"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

Can freedom be relative?
yes it can be relative.

you have the freedom to swim the English channel if you want to. No one would stop you. its your right to swim in English waters.

problem is, you probably couldn't swim that far. you would then become distressed and start to drown. At this point you would then be hoping that the RNLI rescue you. So your freedom has become relative to a bad decision you have made. Your freedom to make a bad choice has resulted in the your life being in the hands of someone on the shore spotting you and recognising that you are in distress. In other words at that point.. you have no freedom.

this can be applied to drug misuse..
I quite like your example of the freedom to swim the channel. You see, that is absolute freedom. I may or may not choose to do it. There are no qualifiers, nobody is saying "You can only do that if....". Anything short of that unqualified right is not freedom.

There is no such thing as "Relative freedom".
hmm.. "there is no such thing as relative freedom" hmm..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.
nih.gov/pubmed/19091
602

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/On_the_Free
dom_of_the_Will

http://nimis540.word
press.com/2009/02/10
/limits-on-freedom-o
f-expression/

or that little known author 'George Orwell' was perhaps talking rubbish then.

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Outer_Party


yes. absolute and relative freedoms do exist. sometimes co-existing within personal choice 'a series of events may change an absolute freedom to a relative freedom and visa versa' but in society they are completely opposite elements of choice that exist within the Paradigm of vast and complex non dependant factors.

examples

some people will remain poor without any hope of gaining wealth.

some people will remain rich without any effort to maintain there wealth.

governments will lie to maintain power and influence for there own personal gain.

individuals will resent governments for corruption and lack of absolute freedom and grow weary of relative freedom offered by governments to the people as absolute freedom.

i sort of do this sort of thing as a job,

are you not swimming the channel yet?
[quote][p][bold]Druggie Scumbag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Druggie Scumbag[/bold] wrote: Jayman says: "the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." Can freedom be relative?[/p][/quote]yes it can be relative. you have the freedom to swim the English channel if you want to. No one would stop you. its your right to swim in English waters. problem is, you probably couldn't swim that far. you would then become distressed and start to drown. At this point you would then be hoping that the RNLI rescue you. So your freedom has become relative to a bad decision you have made. Your freedom to make a bad choice has resulted in the your life being in the hands of someone on the shore spotting you and recognising that you are in distress. In other words at that point.. you have no freedom. this can be applied to drug misuse..[/p][/quote]I quite like your example of the freedom to swim the channel. You see, that is absolute freedom. I may or may not choose to do it. There are no qualifiers, nobody is saying "You can only do that if....". Anything short of that unqualified right is not freedom. There is no such thing as "Relative freedom".[/p][/quote]hmm.. "there is no such thing as relative freedom" hmm.. http://www.ncbi.nlm. nih.gov/pubmed/19091 602 http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/On_the_Free dom_of_the_Will http://nimis540.word press.com/2009/02/10 /limits-on-freedom-o f-expression/ or that little known author 'George Orwell' was perhaps talking rubbish then. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Outer_Party yes. absolute and relative freedoms do exist. sometimes co-existing within personal choice 'a series of events may change an absolute freedom to a relative freedom and visa versa' but in society they are completely opposite elements of choice that exist within the Paradigm of vast and complex non dependant factors. examples some people will remain poor without any hope of gaining wealth. some people will remain rich without any effort to maintain there wealth. governments will lie to maintain power and influence for there own personal gain. individuals will resent governments for corruption and lack of absolute freedom and grow weary of relative freedom offered by governments to the people as absolute freedom. i sort of do this sort of thing as a job, are you not swimming the channel yet? jayman

11:09pm Mon 24 Sep 12

jayman says...

furthermore any interdependent factors on freedom would require individuals to be 'reasonable' with there freedom, this would require a utopia society.

'this is what the cannabis culture and its activism for legalisation promote in a very naïve fashion'

to understand your own argument better and better understand how to present it i recommend you read the works of Isaiah Berlin

"Berlin notes that historically positive liberty has proven particularly susceptible to rhetorical abuse; especially from the 18th century onwards, it has either been paternalistically re-drawn from the third-person, or conflated with the concept of negative liberty and thus disguised underlying value-conflicts."

perhaps this will enable you and your like minded friends to present you argument in a better way.
furthermore any interdependent factors on freedom would require individuals to be 'reasonable' with there freedom, this would require a utopia society. 'this is what the cannabis culture and its activism for legalisation promote in a very naïve fashion' to understand your own argument better and better understand how to present it i recommend you read the works of Isaiah Berlin "Berlin notes that historically positive liberty has proven particularly susceptible to rhetorical abuse; especially from the 18th century onwards, it has either been paternalistically re-drawn from the third-person, or conflated with the concept of negative liberty and thus disguised underlying value-conflicts." perhaps this will enable you and your like minded friends to present you argument in a better way. jayman

11:46pm Mon 24 Sep 12

southchurch bob says...

I think most right thinking people would agree that police have to do what they had to do but dumping party goers onto the street in the cold is not right but most of all why go over the top there was more police there than at Manchester Court this week for the appearance of the alleged killer of the two police officers i mean NINE police carriers four mounted police several cars totaly over the top and at what cost and end result? so the next time a car is vanalised,there is a mugging or burglary or whatever we can be assured support from our underfunded reduced police force.
I think most right thinking people would agree that police have to do what they had to do but dumping party goers onto the street in the cold is not right but most of all why go over the top there was more police there than at Manchester Court this week for the appearance of the alleged killer of the two police officers i mean NINE police carriers four mounted police several cars totaly over the top and at what cost and end result? so the next time a car is vanalised,there is a mugging or burglary or whatever we can be assured support from our underfunded reduced police force. southchurch bob

7:48am Tue 25 Sep 12

Druggie Scumbag says...

jayman wrote:
furthermore any interdependent factors on freedom would require individuals to be 'reasonable' with there freedom, this would require a utopia society.

'this is what the cannabis culture and its activism for legalisation promote in a very naïve fashion'

to understand your own argument better and better understand how to present it i recommend you read the works of Isaiah Berlin

"Berlin notes that historically positive liberty has proven particularly susceptible to rhetorical abuse; especially from the 18th century onwards, it has either been paternalistically re-drawn from the third-person, or conflated with the concept of negative liberty and thus disguised underlying value-conflicts."

perhaps this will enable you and your like minded friends to present you argument in a better way.
I don't think I shall be getting round to reading Berlin for some time- I'm only half way through Blyton's 'Castle of Adventure', you should try it, a cracking read!

However, I have to accept that your argument with the references you provide is persuasive and must concede that 'relative freedom' can and does exist. I'm not sure why I ever thought otherwise. Perhaps my neighbour, Dave, is right and I am a thick pillock. Anyway, I have learnt something and for that I am grateful.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: furthermore any interdependent factors on freedom would require individuals to be 'reasonable' with there freedom, this would require a utopia society. 'this is what the cannabis culture and its activism for legalisation promote in a very naïve fashion' to understand your own argument better and better understand how to present it i recommend you read the works of Isaiah Berlin "Berlin notes that historically positive liberty has proven particularly susceptible to rhetorical abuse; especially from the 18th century onwards, it has either been paternalistically re-drawn from the third-person, or conflated with the concept of negative liberty and thus disguised underlying value-conflicts." perhaps this will enable you and your like minded friends to present you argument in a better way.[/p][/quote]I don't think I shall be getting round to reading Berlin for some time- I'm only half way through Blyton's 'Castle of Adventure', you should try it, a cracking read! However, I have to accept that your argument with the references you provide is persuasive and must concede that 'relative freedom' can and does exist. I'm not sure why I ever thought otherwise. Perhaps my neighbour, Dave, is right and I am a thick pillock. Anyway, I have learnt something and for that I am grateful. Druggie Scumbag

8:39am Tue 25 Sep 12

aduksquack says...

jayman wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?
the law will not be amended at cost to the taxpayer and forsaking large amounts of parliamentary and lords time the could be used for other causes just because you want to legitimise another harmful habit..
That doesn't answer my question.

How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: "the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?[/p][/quote]the law will not be amended at cost to the taxpayer and forsaking large amounts of parliamentary and lords time the could be used for other causes just because you want to legitimise another harmful habit..[/p][/quote]That doesn't answer my question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom? aduksquack

8:58am Tue 25 Sep 12

jayman says...

aduksquack wrote:
jayman wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?
the law will not be amended at cost to the taxpayer and forsaking large amounts of parliamentary and lords time the could be used for other causes just because you want to legitimise another harmful habit..
That doesn't answer my question.

How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?
i didn't imply that it did.

what I did imply is that you should not assume that it is your right or your freedom 'within the realms of law' to be in possession of cannabis or to sell cannabis,

we already have two main drugs (tobacco and alcohol) that are legal and cause massive problems.

its a soup of social issues and health problems caused by two drugs that are difficult to outlaw and readily available. We cannot have a third drug readily available to the masses as the majority of people are habitual in nature and irresponsible.

that's what I implied..
[quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: "the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?[/p][/quote]the law will not be amended at cost to the taxpayer and forsaking large amounts of parliamentary and lords time the could be used for other causes just because you want to legitimise another harmful habit..[/p][/quote]That doesn't answer my question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?[/p][/quote]i didn't imply that it did. what I did imply is that you should not assume that it is your right or your freedom 'within the realms of law' to be in possession of cannabis or to sell cannabis, we already have two main drugs (tobacco and alcohol) that are legal and cause massive problems. its a soup of social issues and health problems caused by two drugs that are difficult to outlaw and readily available. We cannot have a third drug readily available to the masses as the majority of people are habitual in nature and irresponsible. that's what I implied.. jayman

9:05am Tue 25 Sep 12

aduksquack says...

jayman wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
jayman wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?
the law will not be amended at cost to the taxpayer and forsaking large amounts of parliamentary and lords time the could be used for other causes just because you want to legitimise another harmful habit..
That doesn't answer my question.

How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?
i didn't imply that it did.

what I did imply is that you should not assume that it is your right or your freedom 'within the realms of law' to be in possession of cannabis or to sell cannabis,

we already have two main drugs (tobacco and alcohol) that are legal and cause massive problems.

its a soup of social issues and health problems caused by two drugs that are difficult to outlaw and readily available. We cannot have a third drug readily available to the masses as the majority of people are habitual in nature and irresponsible.

that's what I implied..
Whatever. Just answer the question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?

I'll tell you why you don't answer the question, it's because the answer is 'Someone else smoking cannabis does not infringe on your liberty or freedom'.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: "the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?[/p][/quote]the law will not be amended at cost to the taxpayer and forsaking large amounts of parliamentary and lords time the could be used for other causes just because you want to legitimise another harmful habit..[/p][/quote]That doesn't answer my question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?[/p][/quote]i didn't imply that it did. what I did imply is that you should not assume that it is your right or your freedom 'within the realms of law' to be in possession of cannabis or to sell cannabis, we already have two main drugs (tobacco and alcohol) that are legal and cause massive problems. its a soup of social issues and health problems caused by two drugs that are difficult to outlaw and readily available. We cannot have a third drug readily available to the masses as the majority of people are habitual in nature and irresponsible. that's what I implied..[/p][/quote]Whatever. Just answer the question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom? I'll tell you why you don't answer the question, it's because the answer is 'Someone else smoking cannabis does not infringe on your liberty or freedom'. aduksquack

9:37am Tue 25 Sep 12

InTheKnowOk says...

Haha, I like these threads about drugs as you always get the same guy on here with multiple user names spouting off about how there is nothing wrong with smoking cannabis and that anyone who disagrees is a Daily Mail reader, old, and needs to get a life ... At the end of the day you Pot Heads serve no use to soicety and the sooner the Police crack down on your nasty little a55e5, the better !
Haha, I like these threads about drugs as you always get the same guy on here with multiple user names spouting off about how there is nothing wrong with smoking cannabis and that anyone who disagrees is a Daily Mail reader, old, and needs to get a life ... At the end of the day you Pot Heads serve no use to soicety and the sooner the Police crack down on your nasty little a55e5, the better ! InTheKnowOk

10:35am Tue 25 Sep 12

Diannah says...

aduksquack wrote:
jayman wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
jayman wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?
the law will not be amended at cost to the taxpayer and forsaking large amounts of parliamentary and lords time the could be used for other causes just because you want to legitimise another harmful habit..
That doesn't answer my question.

How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?
i didn't imply that it did.

what I did imply is that you should not assume that it is your right or your freedom 'within the realms of law' to be in possession of cannabis or to sell cannabis,

we already have two main drugs (tobacco and alcohol) that are legal and cause massive problems.

its a soup of social issues and health problems caused by two drugs that are difficult to outlaw and readily available. We cannot have a third drug readily available to the masses as the majority of people are habitual in nature and irresponsible.

that's what I implied..
Whatever. Just answer the question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?

I'll tell you why you don't answer the question, it's because the answer is 'Someone else smoking cannabis does not infringe on your liberty or freedom'.
How about today's pot head is tomorrow's heroin addict who could potentially break into my house or mug my kids to get the money for their next fix.

That would infringe on my liberty and freedom.
[quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: "the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?[/p][/quote]the law will not be amended at cost to the taxpayer and forsaking large amounts of parliamentary and lords time the could be used for other causes just because you want to legitimise another harmful habit..[/p][/quote]That doesn't answer my question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?[/p][/quote]i didn't imply that it did. what I did imply is that you should not assume that it is your right or your freedom 'within the realms of law' to be in possession of cannabis or to sell cannabis, we already have two main drugs (tobacco and alcohol) that are legal and cause massive problems. its a soup of social issues and health problems caused by two drugs that are difficult to outlaw and readily available. We cannot have a third drug readily available to the masses as the majority of people are habitual in nature and irresponsible. that's what I implied..[/p][/quote]Whatever. Just answer the question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom? I'll tell you why you don't answer the question, it's because the answer is 'Someone else smoking cannabis does not infringe on your liberty or freedom'.[/p][/quote]How about today's pot head is tomorrow's heroin addict who could potentially break into my house or mug my kids to get the money for their next fix. That would infringe on my liberty and freedom. Diannah

12:12pm Tue 25 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.
how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom. beyond the valley of the asbos

12:41pm Tue 25 Sep 12

jayman says...

aduksquack wrote:
jayman wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
jayman wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?
the law will not be amended at cost to the taxpayer and forsaking large amounts of parliamentary and lords time the could be used for other causes just because you want to legitimise another harmful habit..
That doesn't answer my question.

How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?
i didn't imply that it did.

what I did imply is that you should not assume that it is your right or your freedom 'within the realms of law' to be in possession of cannabis or to sell cannabis,

we already have two main drugs (tobacco and alcohol) that are legal and cause massive problems.

its a soup of social issues and health problems caused by two drugs that are difficult to outlaw and readily available. We cannot have a third drug readily available to the masses as the majority of people are habitual in nature and irresponsible.

that's what I implied..
Whatever. Just answer the question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?

I'll tell you why you don't answer the question, it's because the answer is 'Someone else smoking cannabis does not infringe on your liberty or freedom'.
the problem with using the word 'whatever' is that by using this word to open or close a body of text you unwittingly lose any argument contained within said body of text..
[quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: "the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?[/p][/quote]the law will not be amended at cost to the taxpayer and forsaking large amounts of parliamentary and lords time the could be used for other causes just because you want to legitimise another harmful habit..[/p][/quote]That doesn't answer my question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?[/p][/quote]i didn't imply that it did. what I did imply is that you should not assume that it is your right or your freedom 'within the realms of law' to be in possession of cannabis or to sell cannabis, we already have two main drugs (tobacco and alcohol) that are legal and cause massive problems. its a soup of social issues and health problems caused by two drugs that are difficult to outlaw and readily available. We cannot have a third drug readily available to the masses as the majority of people are habitual in nature and irresponsible. that's what I implied..[/p][/quote]Whatever. Just answer the question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom? I'll tell you why you don't answer the question, it's because the answer is 'Someone else smoking cannabis does not infringe on your liberty or freedom'.[/p][/quote]the problem with using the word 'whatever' is that by using this word to open or close a body of text you unwittingly lose any argument contained within said body of text.. jayman

12:41pm Tue 25 Sep 12

jayman says...

aduksquack wrote:
jayman wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
jayman wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?
the law will not be amended at cost to the taxpayer and forsaking large amounts of parliamentary and lords time the could be used for other causes just because you want to legitimise another harmful habit..
That doesn't answer my question.

How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?
i didn't imply that it did.

what I did imply is that you should not assume that it is your right or your freedom 'within the realms of law' to be in possession of cannabis or to sell cannabis,

we already have two main drugs (tobacco and alcohol) that are legal and cause massive problems.

its a soup of social issues and health problems caused by two drugs that are difficult to outlaw and readily available. We cannot have a third drug readily available to the masses as the majority of people are habitual in nature and irresponsible.

that's what I implied..
Whatever. Just answer the question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?

I'll tell you why you don't answer the question, it's because the answer is 'Someone else smoking cannabis does not infringe on your liberty or freedom'.
the problem with using the word 'whatever' is that by using this word to open or close a body of text you unwittingly lose any argument contained within said body of text..
[quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: "the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?[/p][/quote]the law will not be amended at cost to the taxpayer and forsaking large amounts of parliamentary and lords time the could be used for other causes just because you want to legitimise another harmful habit..[/p][/quote]That doesn't answer my question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?[/p][/quote]i didn't imply that it did. what I did imply is that you should not assume that it is your right or your freedom 'within the realms of law' to be in possession of cannabis or to sell cannabis, we already have two main drugs (tobacco and alcohol) that are legal and cause massive problems. its a soup of social issues and health problems caused by two drugs that are difficult to outlaw and readily available. We cannot have a third drug readily available to the masses as the majority of people are habitual in nature and irresponsible. that's what I implied..[/p][/quote]Whatever. Just answer the question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom? I'll tell you why you don't answer the question, it's because the answer is 'Someone else smoking cannabis does not infringe on your liberty or freedom'.[/p][/quote]the problem with using the word 'whatever' is that by using this word to open or close a body of text you unwittingly lose any argument contained within said body of text.. jayman

2:59pm Tue 25 Sep 12

smiffy1980 says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
No point continuing this, you lot are completely brainwashed into believing that legal drugs like tobacco and alcohol are OK but illegal drugs are not. Doesn't it strike you as odd that the two legal drugs are the biggest killers wheras one of the illegal drugs has never killed anyone from an overdose. . When is it going to penetrate your thick skulls that illegal drugs are all different, some are virtually harmless compared to the legal drugs and some are much worse but there is no connection between them apart from the fact they are illegal. Talking of which the so-called "legal highs" are an even bigger worry as they are legally available but some are potentially even more dangerous. . Do you even know why alcohol is culturally acceptable in the west? It's because our ancestors were too stupid to realise that boiling makes water safe, the only way they knew to make water safe was by fermenting alcohol whereas in the east they did know that boiling makes water safe so they chose their recreational drugs more carefully and quite rightly rejected alcohol.
Think you will find that the Chinese used alcohol in 1100 BC as a gift from "heaven" and was widely drunk before battle.

It doesnt matter either way does it ??? Fact is the police should be raiding the many places around southend where drugs a rife . Most people know where these are......People in mayhem taking the odd pill hardly leads to violent crime. Infact its the complete opposite.
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: No point continuing this, you lot are completely brainwashed into believing that legal drugs like tobacco and alcohol are OK but illegal drugs are not. Doesn't it strike you as odd that the two legal drugs are the biggest killers wheras one of the illegal drugs has never killed anyone from an overdose. . When is it going to penetrate your thick skulls that illegal drugs are all different, some are virtually harmless compared to the legal drugs and some are much worse but there is no connection between them apart from the fact they are illegal. Talking of which the so-called "legal highs" are an even bigger worry as they are legally available but some are potentially even more dangerous. . Do you even know why alcohol is culturally acceptable in the west? It's because our ancestors were too stupid to realise that boiling makes water safe, the only way they knew to make water safe was by fermenting alcohol whereas in the east they did know that boiling makes water safe so they chose their recreational drugs more carefully and quite rightly rejected alcohol.[/p][/quote]Think you will find that the Chinese used alcohol in 1100 BC as a gift from "heaven" and was widely drunk before battle. It doesnt matter either way does it ??? Fact is the police should be raiding the many places around southend where drugs a rife . Most people know where these are......People in mayhem taking the odd pill hardly leads to violent crime. Infact its the complete opposite. smiffy1980

3:34pm Tue 25 Sep 12

rodgdodge says...

Tulip44 wrote:
CALL ME CLINT wrote:
Tulip44 wrote:
It's the innocent people I feel sorry for,.my daughter works hard all week, looked forward to her night out, and was dragged out and made to stand shivering, in a skimpy dress and no coat, for over an hour outside! They could have at least provided those tin foil blankets. Disgusting!
Why was your daughter kept waiting on the street for so long? Obviously, had she been in possession of anything she shouldn't have been it would have been jettisoned long before she was searched- I assume that was the purpose of her detention. I have nothing against the police enforcing the law as it relates to drugs even though I believe the law to be wrong. The enforcement should however be carried out efficiently and in a manner likely to cause the minimum of distress, discomfort and inconvenience to (let's face it) the law-abiding people frequenting the club.

I think your daughter has good reason to feel aggrieved at her treatment but I'm sure you will do your best to help her understand that in general the police do a good job in difficult times with **** as political masters and that sometimes they get things wrong.
They kept them all in 'holding areas' and then walked them past the sniffer dogs. My daughter said it all took ages. The girls who had coats weren't allowed to get them, even afterwards, they were told to go back for them today!
My daughter had nothing bad to say about the police, she has been brought up to be respectful, but she was a little upset at the way they'd been treated
Guilty til proved innocent, the new face of Britain?????????
[quote][p][bold]Tulip44[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CALL ME CLINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tulip44[/bold] wrote: It's the innocent people I feel sorry for,.my daughter works hard all week, looked forward to her night out, and was dragged out and made to stand shivering, in a skimpy dress and no coat, for over an hour outside! They could have at least provided those tin foil blankets. Disgusting![/p][/quote]Why was your daughter kept waiting on the street for so long? Obviously, had she been in possession of anything she shouldn't have been it would have been jettisoned long before she was searched- I assume that was the purpose of her detention. I have nothing against the police enforcing the law as it relates to drugs even though I believe the law to be wrong. The enforcement should however be carried out efficiently and in a manner likely to cause the minimum of distress, discomfort and inconvenience to (let's face it) the law-abiding people frequenting the club. I think your daughter has good reason to feel aggrieved at her treatment but I'm sure you will do your best to help her understand that in general the police do a good job in difficult times with **** as political masters and that sometimes they get things wrong.[/p][/quote]They kept them all in 'holding areas' and then walked them past the sniffer dogs. My daughter said it all took ages. The girls who had coats weren't allowed to get them, even afterwards, they were told to go back for them today! My daughter had nothing bad to say about the police, she has been brought up to be respectful, but she was a little upset at the way they'd been treated[/p][/quote]Guilty til proved innocent, the new face of Britain????????? rodgdodge

3:40pm Tue 25 Sep 12

rodgdodge says...

jayman wrote:
Druggie Scumbag wrote:
jayman wrote:
Druggie Scumbag wrote:
Jayman says:

"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

Can freedom be relative?
yes it can be relative.

you have the freedom to swim the English channel if you want to. No one would stop you. its your right to swim in English waters.

problem is, you probably couldn't swim that far. you would then become distressed and start to drown. At this point you would then be hoping that the RNLI rescue you. So your freedom has become relative to a bad decision you have made. Your freedom to make a bad choice has resulted in the your life being in the hands of someone on the shore spotting you and recognising that you are in distress. In other words at that point.. you have no freedom.

this can be applied to drug misuse..
I quite like your example of the freedom to swim the channel. You see, that is absolute freedom. I may or may not choose to do it. There are no qualifiers, nobody is saying "You can only do that if....". Anything short of that unqualified right is not freedom.

There is no such thing as "Relative freedom".
hmm.. "there is no such thing as relative freedom" hmm..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.

nih.gov/pubmed/19091

602

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/On_the_Free

dom_of_the_Will

http://nimis540.word

press.com/2009/02/10

/limits-on-freedom-o

f-expression/

or that little known author 'George Orwell' was perhaps talking rubbish then.

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Outer_Party



yes. absolute and relative freedoms do exist. sometimes co-existing within personal choice 'a series of events may change an absolute freedom to a relative freedom and visa versa' but in society they are completely opposite elements of choice that exist within the Paradigm of vast and complex non dependant factors.

examples

some people will remain poor without any hope of gaining wealth.

some people will remain rich without any effort to maintain there wealth.

governments will lie to maintain power and influence for there own personal gain.

individuals will resent governments for corruption and lack of absolute freedom and grow weary of relative freedom offered by governments to the people as absolute freedom.

i sort of do this sort of thing as a job,

are you not swimming the channel yet?
RNLI is not run by the Government, so no tax-payers money ect. It is a volunteer -staffed charity service, originally set-up by relatives of those who worked on the sea.
The coastguard service is the tax-payer funded one!
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Druggie Scumbag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Druggie Scumbag[/bold] wrote: Jayman says: "the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." Can freedom be relative?[/p][/quote]yes it can be relative. you have the freedom to swim the English channel if you want to. No one would stop you. its your right to swim in English waters. problem is, you probably couldn't swim that far. you would then become distressed and start to drown. At this point you would then be hoping that the RNLI rescue you. So your freedom has become relative to a bad decision you have made. Your freedom to make a bad choice has resulted in the your life being in the hands of someone on the shore spotting you and recognising that you are in distress. In other words at that point.. you have no freedom. this can be applied to drug misuse..[/p][/quote]I quite like your example of the freedom to swim the channel. You see, that is absolute freedom. I may or may not choose to do it. There are no qualifiers, nobody is saying "You can only do that if....". Anything short of that unqualified right is not freedom. There is no such thing as "Relative freedom".[/p][/quote]hmm.. "there is no such thing as relative freedom" hmm.. http://www.ncbi.nlm. nih.gov/pubmed/19091 602 http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/On_the_Free dom_of_the_Will http://nimis540.word press.com/2009/02/10 /limits-on-freedom-o f-expression/ or that little known author 'George Orwell' was perhaps talking rubbish then. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Outer_Party yes. absolute and relative freedoms do exist. sometimes co-existing within personal choice 'a series of events may change an absolute freedom to a relative freedom and visa versa' but in society they are completely opposite elements of choice that exist within the Paradigm of vast and complex non dependant factors. examples some people will remain poor without any hope of gaining wealth. some people will remain rich without any effort to maintain there wealth. governments will lie to maintain power and influence for there own personal gain. individuals will resent governments for corruption and lack of absolute freedom and grow weary of relative freedom offered by governments to the people as absolute freedom. i sort of do this sort of thing as a job, are you not swimming the channel yet?[/p][/quote]RNLI is not run by the Government, so no tax-payers money ect. It is a volunteer -staffed charity service, originally set-up by relatives of those who worked on the sea. The coastguard service is the tax-payer funded one! rodgdodge

4:42pm Tue 25 Sep 12

jayman says...

rodgdodge wrote:
jayman wrote:
Druggie Scumbag wrote:
jayman wrote:
Druggie Scumbag wrote:
Jayman says:

"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

Can freedom be relative?
yes it can be relative.

you have the freedom to swim the English channel if you want to. No one would stop you. its your right to swim in English waters.

problem is, you probably couldn't swim that far. you would then become distressed and start to drown. At this point you would then be hoping that the RNLI rescue you. So your freedom has become relative to a bad decision you have made. Your freedom to make a bad choice has resulted in the your life being in the hands of someone on the shore spotting you and recognising that you are in distress. In other words at that point.. you have no freedom.

this can be applied to drug misuse..
I quite like your example of the freedom to swim the channel. You see, that is absolute freedom. I may or may not choose to do it. There are no qualifiers, nobody is saying "You can only do that if....". Anything short of that unqualified right is not freedom.

There is no such thing as "Relative freedom".
hmm.. "there is no such thing as relative freedom" hmm..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.


nih.gov/pubmed/19091


602

http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/On_the_Free


dom_of_the_Will

http://nimis540.word


press.com/2009/02/10


/limits-on-freedom-o


f-expression/

or that little known author 'George Orwell' was perhaps talking rubbish then.

http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/Outer_Party




yes. absolute and relative freedoms do exist. sometimes co-existing within personal choice 'a series of events may change an absolute freedom to a relative freedom and visa versa' but in society they are completely opposite elements of choice that exist within the Paradigm of vast and complex non dependant factors.

examples

some people will remain poor without any hope of gaining wealth.

some people will remain rich without any effort to maintain there wealth.

governments will lie to maintain power and influence for there own personal gain.

individuals will resent governments for corruption and lack of absolute freedom and grow weary of relative freedom offered by governments to the people as absolute freedom.

i sort of do this sort of thing as a job,

are you not swimming the channel yet?
RNLI is not run by the Government, so no tax-payers money ect. It is a volunteer -staffed charity service, originally set-up by relatives of those who worked on the sea.
The coastguard service is the tax-payer funded one!
I think you will find that the relevance and use in my of the RNLI had nothing to do with the government or tax funding.

I'm well aware of how the RNLI are funded.
[quote][p][bold]rodgdodge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Druggie Scumbag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Druggie Scumbag[/bold] wrote: Jayman says: "the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." Can freedom be relative?[/p][/quote]yes it can be relative. you have the freedom to swim the English channel if you want to. No one would stop you. its your right to swim in English waters. problem is, you probably couldn't swim that far. you would then become distressed and start to drown. At this point you would then be hoping that the RNLI rescue you. So your freedom has become relative to a bad decision you have made. Your freedom to make a bad choice has resulted in the your life being in the hands of someone on the shore spotting you and recognising that you are in distress. In other words at that point.. you have no freedom. this can be applied to drug misuse..[/p][/quote]I quite like your example of the freedom to swim the channel. You see, that is absolute freedom. I may or may not choose to do it. There are no qualifiers, nobody is saying "You can only do that if....". Anything short of that unqualified right is not freedom. There is no such thing as "Relative freedom".[/p][/quote]hmm.. "there is no such thing as relative freedom" hmm.. http://www.ncbi.nlm. nih.gov/pubmed/19091 602 http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/On_the_Free dom_of_the_Will http://nimis540.word press.com/2009/02/10 /limits-on-freedom-o f-expression/ or that little known author 'George Orwell' was perhaps talking rubbish then. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Outer_Party yes. absolute and relative freedoms do exist. sometimes co-existing within personal choice 'a series of events may change an absolute freedom to a relative freedom and visa versa' but in society they are completely opposite elements of choice that exist within the Paradigm of vast and complex non dependant factors. examples some people will remain poor without any hope of gaining wealth. some people will remain rich without any effort to maintain there wealth. governments will lie to maintain power and influence for there own personal gain. individuals will resent governments for corruption and lack of absolute freedom and grow weary of relative freedom offered by governments to the people as absolute freedom. i sort of do this sort of thing as a job, are you not swimming the channel yet?[/p][/quote]RNLI is not run by the Government, so no tax-payers money ect. It is a volunteer -staffed charity service, originally set-up by relatives of those who worked on the sea. The coastguard service is the tax-payer funded one![/p][/quote]I think you will find that the relevance and use in my of the RNLI had nothing to do with the government or tax funding. I'm well aware of how the RNLI are funded. jayman

4:42pm Tue 25 Sep 12

jayman says...

rodgdodge wrote:
jayman wrote:
Druggie Scumbag wrote:
jayman wrote:
Druggie Scumbag wrote:
Jayman says:

"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

Can freedom be relative?
yes it can be relative.

you have the freedom to swim the English channel if you want to. No one would stop you. its your right to swim in English waters.

problem is, you probably couldn't swim that far. you would then become distressed and start to drown. At this point you would then be hoping that the RNLI rescue you. So your freedom has become relative to a bad decision you have made. Your freedom to make a bad choice has resulted in the your life being in the hands of someone on the shore spotting you and recognising that you are in distress. In other words at that point.. you have no freedom.

this can be applied to drug misuse..
I quite like your example of the freedom to swim the channel. You see, that is absolute freedom. I may or may not choose to do it. There are no qualifiers, nobody is saying "You can only do that if....". Anything short of that unqualified right is not freedom.

There is no such thing as "Relative freedom".
hmm.. "there is no such thing as relative freedom" hmm..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.


nih.gov/pubmed/19091


602

http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/On_the_Free


dom_of_the_Will

http://nimis540.word


press.com/2009/02/10


/limits-on-freedom-o


f-expression/

or that little known author 'George Orwell' was perhaps talking rubbish then.

http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/Outer_Party




yes. absolute and relative freedoms do exist. sometimes co-existing within personal choice 'a series of events may change an absolute freedom to a relative freedom and visa versa' but in society they are completely opposite elements of choice that exist within the Paradigm of vast and complex non dependant factors.

examples

some people will remain poor without any hope of gaining wealth.

some people will remain rich without any effort to maintain there wealth.

governments will lie to maintain power and influence for there own personal gain.

individuals will resent governments for corruption and lack of absolute freedom and grow weary of relative freedom offered by governments to the people as absolute freedom.

i sort of do this sort of thing as a job,

are you not swimming the channel yet?
RNLI is not run by the Government, so no tax-payers money ect. It is a volunteer -staffed charity service, originally set-up by relatives of those who worked on the sea.
The coastguard service is the tax-payer funded one!
I think you will find that the relevance and use in my of the RNLI had nothing to do with the government or tax funding.

I'm well aware of how the RNLI are funded.
[quote][p][bold]rodgdodge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Druggie Scumbag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Druggie Scumbag[/bold] wrote: Jayman says: "the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." Can freedom be relative?[/p][/quote]yes it can be relative. you have the freedom to swim the English channel if you want to. No one would stop you. its your right to swim in English waters. problem is, you probably couldn't swim that far. you would then become distressed and start to drown. At this point you would then be hoping that the RNLI rescue you. So your freedom has become relative to a bad decision you have made. Your freedom to make a bad choice has resulted in the your life being in the hands of someone on the shore spotting you and recognising that you are in distress. In other words at that point.. you have no freedom. this can be applied to drug misuse..[/p][/quote]I quite like your example of the freedom to swim the channel. You see, that is absolute freedom. I may or may not choose to do it. There are no qualifiers, nobody is saying "You can only do that if....". Anything short of that unqualified right is not freedom. There is no such thing as "Relative freedom".[/p][/quote]hmm.. "there is no such thing as relative freedom" hmm.. http://www.ncbi.nlm. nih.gov/pubmed/19091 602 http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/On_the_Free dom_of_the_Will http://nimis540.word press.com/2009/02/10 /limits-on-freedom-o f-expression/ or that little known author 'George Orwell' was perhaps talking rubbish then. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Outer_Party yes. absolute and relative freedoms do exist. sometimes co-existing within personal choice 'a series of events may change an absolute freedom to a relative freedom and visa versa' but in society they are completely opposite elements of choice that exist within the Paradigm of vast and complex non dependant factors. examples some people will remain poor without any hope of gaining wealth. some people will remain rich without any effort to maintain there wealth. governments will lie to maintain power and influence for there own personal gain. individuals will resent governments for corruption and lack of absolute freedom and grow weary of relative freedom offered by governments to the people as absolute freedom. i sort of do this sort of thing as a job, are you not swimming the channel yet?[/p][/quote]RNLI is not run by the Government, so no tax-payers money ect. It is a volunteer -staffed charity service, originally set-up by relatives of those who worked on the sea. The coastguard service is the tax-payer funded one![/p][/quote]I think you will find that the relevance and use in my of the RNLI had nothing to do with the government or tax funding. I'm well aware of how the RNLI are funded. jayman

5:08pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Alekhine says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.
What about the much larger problem of alcohol dependent benefit junkies and well.....just your common or garden lazy @rce benefit junkie. The tories have got their work cut out.

If the financial element bothers you, why are you not arguing for legalisation and taxation? A fine is effectively a tax anyway.
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.[/p][/quote]What about the much larger problem of alcohol dependent benefit junkies and well.....just your common or garden lazy @rce benefit junkie. The tories have got their work cut out. If the financial element bothers you, why are you not arguing for legalisation and taxation? A fine is effectively a tax anyway. Alekhine

5:31pm Tue 25 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

Alekhine wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.
What about the much larger problem of alcohol dependent benefit junkies and well.....just your common or garden lazy @rce benefit junkie. The tories have got their work cut out.

If the financial element bothers you, why are you not arguing for legalisation and taxation? A fine is effectively a tax anyway.
that is a myth i'm afraid. cannabis is easily produced at home. why on earth is anyone going to pay tax on it? even i, a vehement opponent, would grow it - or get a illegal immigrant lackey to do it - and flog it to the losers on the street corners and outside the dole office
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.[/p][/quote]What about the much larger problem of alcohol dependent benefit junkies and well.....just your common or garden lazy @rce benefit junkie. The tories have got their work cut out. If the financial element bothers you, why are you not arguing for legalisation and taxation? A fine is effectively a tax anyway.[/p][/quote]that is a myth i'm afraid. cannabis is easily produced at home. why on earth is anyone going to pay tax on it? even i, a vehement opponent, would grow it - or get a illegal immigrant lackey to do it - and flog it to the losers on the street corners and outside the dole office beyond the valley of the asbos

7:21pm Tue 25 Sep 12

E-Types... says...

Alekhine wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.
What about the much larger problem of alcohol dependent benefit junkies and well.....just your common or garden lazy @rce benefit junkie. The tories have got their work cut out.

If the financial element bothers you, why are you not arguing for legalisation and taxation? A fine is effectively a tax anyway.
The Hadleigh stoner has finally got wind of the weed debate and staggers in to add his muddled voice to the call to legalise the weed...which he does by smoking it till his eyes rotate in his head like lotto balls.
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.[/p][/quote]What about the much larger problem of alcohol dependent benefit junkies and well.....just your common or garden lazy @rce benefit junkie. The tories have got their work cut out. If the financial element bothers you, why are you not arguing for legalisation and taxation? A fine is effectively a tax anyway.[/p][/quote]The Hadleigh stoner has finally got wind of the weed debate and staggers in to add his muddled voice to the call to legalise the weed...which he does by smoking it till his eyes rotate in his head like lotto balls. E-Types...

7:58pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Alekhine says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.
What about the much larger problem of alcohol dependent benefit junkies and well.....just your common or garden lazy @rce benefit junkie. The tories have got their work cut out.

If the financial element bothers you, why are you not arguing for legalisation and taxation? A fine is effectively a tax anyway.
that is a myth i'm afraid. cannabis is easily produced at home. why on earth is anyone going to pay tax on it? even i, a vehement opponent, would grow it - or get a illegal immigrant lackey to do it - and flog it to the losers on the street corners and outside the dole office
We will have to differ on the economics. If it was legal its value would be very low indeed. it would be grown in bulk by licenced companies and quality checked. Growing a few plants at home would not be worth the electric.
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.[/p][/quote]What about the much larger problem of alcohol dependent benefit junkies and well.....just your common or garden lazy @rce benefit junkie. The tories have got their work cut out. If the financial element bothers you, why are you not arguing for legalisation and taxation? A fine is effectively a tax anyway.[/p][/quote]that is a myth i'm afraid. cannabis is easily produced at home. why on earth is anyone going to pay tax on it? even i, a vehement opponent, would grow it - or get a illegal immigrant lackey to do it - and flog it to the losers on the street corners and outside the dole office[/p][/quote]We will have to differ on the economics. If it was legal its value would be very low indeed. it would be grown in bulk by licenced companies and quality checked. Growing a few plants at home would not be worth the electric. Alekhine

8:11pm Tue 25 Sep 12

aduksquack says...

Diannah wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
jayman wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
jayman wrote:
aduksquack wrote:
"the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom."

So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?
the law will not be amended at cost to the taxpayer and forsaking large amounts of parliamentary and lords time the could be used for other causes just because you want to legitimise another harmful habit..
That doesn't answer my question.

How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?
i didn't imply that it did.

what I did imply is that you should not assume that it is your right or your freedom 'within the realms of law' to be in possession of cannabis or to sell cannabis,

we already have two main drugs (tobacco and alcohol) that are legal and cause massive problems.

its a soup of social issues and health problems caused by two drugs that are difficult to outlaw and readily available. We cannot have a third drug readily available to the masses as the majority of people are habitual in nature and irresponsible.

that's what I implied..
Whatever. Just answer the question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?

I'll tell you why you don't answer the question, it's because the answer is 'Someone else smoking cannabis does not infringe on your liberty or freedom'.
How about today's pot head is tomorrow's heroin addict who could potentially break into my house or mug my kids to get the money for their next fix.

That would infringe on my liberty and freedom.
Most heroin addicts started on alcohol.

Still doesn't answer the question: How does someone else smoking cannabis infringe on your liberty or freedom?

Answer: It doesn't.
[quote][p][bold]Diannah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aduksquack[/bold] wrote: "the law is there to protect everyone's basic liberty and relative freedom." So how is your liberty and freedom infringed by someone smoking cannabis?[/p][/quote]the law will not be amended at cost to the taxpayer and forsaking large amounts of parliamentary and lords time the could be used for other causes just because you want to legitimise another harmful habit..[/p][/quote]That doesn't answer my question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom?[/p][/quote]i didn't imply that it did. what I did imply is that you should not assume that it is your right or your freedom 'within the realms of law' to be in possession of cannabis or to sell cannabis, we already have two main drugs (tobacco and alcohol) that are legal and cause massive problems. its a soup of social issues and health problems caused by two drugs that are difficult to outlaw and readily available. We cannot have a third drug readily available to the masses as the majority of people are habitual in nature and irresponsible. that's what I implied..[/p][/quote]Whatever. Just answer the question. How does someone else smoking cannabis, either legally or illegally, infringe on YOUR liberty and freedom? I'll tell you why you don't answer the question, it's because the answer is 'Someone else smoking cannabis does not infringe on your liberty or freedom'.[/p][/quote]How about today's pot head is tomorrow's heroin addict who could potentially break into my house or mug my kids to get the money for their next fix. That would infringe on my liberty and freedom.[/p][/quote]Most heroin addicts started on alcohol. Still doesn't answer the question: How does someone else smoking cannabis infringe on your liberty or freedom? Answer: It doesn't. aduksquack

8:32pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Alekhine says...

E-Types... wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.
What about the much larger problem of alcohol dependent benefit junkies and well.....just your common or garden lazy @rce benefit junkie. The tories have got their work cut out.

If the financial element bothers you, why are you not arguing for legalisation and taxation? A fine is effectively a tax anyway.
The Hadleigh stoner has finally got wind of the weed debate and staggers in to add his muddled voice to the call to legalise the weed...which he does by smoking it till his eyes rotate in his head like lotto balls.
Do you miss my company or are you just not busy enough calling people racist and proclaiming ginger to be a different race? I have had several discussions with Asbo on the subject of cannabis and he, at least can discuss the issue properly and is not just a lying tart like yourself.

FYG Im not the Hadleigh stoner, you pillock.

I will post no more on this string as a do not want to see it hijacked.
[quote][p][bold]E-Types...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.[/p][/quote]What about the much larger problem of alcohol dependent benefit junkies and well.....just your common or garden lazy @rce benefit junkie. The tories have got their work cut out. If the financial element bothers you, why are you not arguing for legalisation and taxation? A fine is effectively a tax anyway.[/p][/quote]The Hadleigh stoner has finally got wind of the weed debate and staggers in to add his muddled voice to the call to legalise the weed...which he does by smoking it till his eyes rotate in his head like lotto balls.[/p][/quote]Do you miss my company or are you just not busy enough calling people racist and proclaiming ginger to be a different race? I have had several discussions with Asbo on the subject of cannabis and he, at least can discuss the issue properly and is not just a lying tart like yourself. FYG Im not the Hadleigh stoner, you pillock. I will post no more on this string as a do not want to see it hijacked. Alekhine

8:54pm Tue 25 Sep 12

E-Types... says...

Alekhine wrote:
E-Types... wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.
What about the much larger problem of alcohol dependent benefit junkies and well.....just your common or garden lazy @rce benefit junkie. The tories have got their work cut out.

If the financial element bothers you, why are you not arguing for legalisation and taxation? A fine is effectively a tax anyway.
The Hadleigh stoner has finally got wind of the weed debate and staggers in to add his muddled voice to the call to legalise the weed...which he does by smoking it till his eyes rotate in his head like lotto balls.
Do you miss my company or are you just not busy enough calling people racist and proclaiming ginger to be a different race? I have had several discussions with Asbo on the subject of cannabis and he, at least can discuss the issue properly and is not just a lying tart like yourself.

FYG Im not the Hadleigh stoner, you pillock.

I will post no more on this string as a do not want to see it hijacked.
Im not sure hair colour is a pointer to race! what about those with no hair...
Eunuchs dont have hair i believe can they be considered a race?

I bow to your superior knowledge on this Eunuch thang! I have heard they were responsible for the craze of ultra tight skinny jeans as well...do you wear those?

"tart" is that eunuch speak for a male with a pair?

Your not the "Hadleigh stoner" ? C'mon dont be so modest!
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.[/p][/quote]What about the much larger problem of alcohol dependent benefit junkies and well.....just your common or garden lazy @rce benefit junkie. The tories have got their work cut out. If the financial element bothers you, why are you not arguing for legalisation and taxation? A fine is effectively a tax anyway.[/p][/quote]The Hadleigh stoner has finally got wind of the weed debate and staggers in to add his muddled voice to the call to legalise the weed...which he does by smoking it till his eyes rotate in his head like lotto balls.[/p][/quote]Do you miss my company or are you just not busy enough calling people racist and proclaiming ginger to be a different race? I have had several discussions with Asbo on the subject of cannabis and he, at least can discuss the issue properly and is not just a lying tart like yourself. FYG Im not the Hadleigh stoner, you pillock. I will post no more on this string as a do not want to see it hijacked.[/p][/quote]Im not sure hair colour is a pointer to race! what about those with no hair... Eunuchs dont have hair i believe can they be considered a race? I bow to your superior knowledge on this Eunuch thang! I have heard they were responsible for the craze of ultra tight skinny jeans as well...do you wear those? "tart" is that eunuch speak for a male with a pair? Your not the "Hadleigh stoner" ? C'mon dont be so modest! E-Types...

9:22pm Tue 25 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

Alekhine wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.
What about the much larger problem of alcohol dependent benefit junkies and well.....just your common or garden lazy @rce benefit junkie. The tories have got their work cut out.

If the financial element bothers you, why are you not arguing for legalisation and taxation? A fine is effectively a tax anyway.
that is a myth i'm afraid. cannabis is easily produced at home. why on earth is anyone going to pay tax on it? even i, a vehement opponent, would grow it - or get a illegal immigrant lackey to do it - and flog it to the losers on the street corners and outside the dole office
We will have to differ on the economics. If it was legal its value would be very low indeed. it would be grown in bulk by licenced companies and quality checked. Growing a few plants at home would not be worth the electric.
the price is low already - the hadleigh stoner keeps telling us it's cheap as chips! if the price is low how would hmrc raise any revenue? therefore, you have to be arguing for a meaningful cigarette-like tax. well it's easy to grow, as previously stated (a polytunnel costs only 500 quid which would enable me to supply most of shoebury with weed (i hear the cyclists there have a particular penchant)). i'm cutting hmrc out of my business plan. i'm guessing there may be (more than) a few others cutting hmrc out of the equation too.
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.[/p][/quote]What about the much larger problem of alcohol dependent benefit junkies and well.....just your common or garden lazy @rce benefit junkie. The tories have got their work cut out. If the financial element bothers you, why are you not arguing for legalisation and taxation? A fine is effectively a tax anyway.[/p][/quote]that is a myth i'm afraid. cannabis is easily produced at home. why on earth is anyone going to pay tax on it? even i, a vehement opponent, would grow it - or get a illegal immigrant lackey to do it - and flog it to the losers on the street corners and outside the dole office[/p][/quote]We will have to differ on the economics. If it was legal its value would be very low indeed. it would be grown in bulk by licenced companies and quality checked. Growing a few plants at home would not be worth the electric.[/p][/quote]the price is low already - the hadleigh stoner keeps telling us it's cheap as chips! if the price is low how would hmrc raise any revenue? therefore, you have to be arguing for a meaningful cigarette-like tax. well it's easy to grow, as previously stated (a polytunnel costs only 500 quid which would enable me to supply most of shoebury with weed (i hear the cyclists there have a particular penchant)). i'm cutting hmrc out of my business plan. i'm guessing there may be (more than) a few others cutting hmrc out of the equation too. beyond the valley of the asbos

9:51pm Tue 25 Sep 12

King ,El says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.
What about the much larger problem of alcohol dependent benefit junkies and well.....just your common or garden lazy @rce benefit junkie. The tories have got their work cut out.

If the financial element bothers you, why are you not arguing for legalisation and taxation? A fine is effectively a tax anyway.
that is a myth i'm afraid. cannabis is easily produced at home. why on earth is anyone going to pay tax on it? even i, a vehement opponent, would grow it - or get a illegal immigrant lackey to do it - and flog it to the losers on the street corners and outside the dole office
Stanley doesn't smoke (or so he claims).
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: how about all those cannabis dependents sucking the state dry by living as benefit junkies. that impinges on my liberty and freedom.[/p][/quote]What about the much larger problem of alcohol dependent benefit junkies and well.....just your common or garden lazy @rce benefit junkie. The tories have got their work cut out. If the financial element bothers you, why are you not arguing for legalisation and taxation? A fine is effectively a tax anyway.[/p][/quote]that is a myth i'm afraid. cannabis is easily produced at home. why on earth is anyone going to pay tax on it? even i, a vehement opponent, would grow it - or get a illegal immigrant lackey to do it - and flog it to the losers on the street corners and outside the dole office[/p][/quote]Stanley doesn't smoke (or so he claims). King ,El

11:52am Wed 26 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

Tsk tsk! I turn my back for a few days and you’re off again Asbo - making fast and loose with the facts, confusing pedantry and anecdote with bona fide arguments, insulting and abusing people, and ranting on about things you know nothing about. If you don’t start playing nicely with the other children I’ll have to have a word with your Mum again. What makes you such a sad, sour little man Asbo? Has life been unkind to you? Tough. Grow up and get over it.
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Let’s try and explain the facts of weed to you again, households I know who toke regularly spend between £15 and £30 per week on it. In my world that’s barely enough for a bottle of wine (you’d probably prefer Asda cider). In physical terms we’re talking about as much as you could fit into one or two quails eggs but this stuff grows like tomatoes and yields about as much as my (poor)attempts to grow tomatoes so plain common sense should tell you that there is a huge tax potential. Since when did tomatoes cost £50 each, including an extortionate level of tax that people would be happy to pay? It could save your care in the community being axed.
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When you consider that something like 7 million people toke - every tenth household? - the tax potential is mind boggling. Yes some people would grow it in greenhouses or cupboards but people can brew their own wine and beer too - but how many bother? Btw, sorry to destroy your aspirations to become Southends top drug overlord but the polytunnel in your back garden would probably only be big enough to supply a few households, if that - think of how many tomatoes you could grow in it - so you’d better cancel the Ferrari.
Tsk tsk! I turn my back for a few days and you’re off again Asbo - making fast and loose with the facts, confusing pedantry and anecdote with bona fide arguments, insulting and abusing people, and ranting on about things you know nothing about. If you don’t start playing nicely with the other children I’ll have to have a word with your Mum again. What makes you such a sad, sour little man Asbo? Has life been unkind to you? Tough. Grow up and get over it. . Let’s try and explain the facts of weed to you again, households I know who toke regularly spend between £15 and £30 per week on it. In my world that’s barely enough for a bottle of wine (you’d probably prefer Asda cider). In physical terms we’re talking about as much as you could fit into one or two quails eggs but this stuff grows like tomatoes and yields about as much as my (poor)attempts to grow tomatoes so plain common sense should tell you that there is a huge tax potential. Since when did tomatoes cost £50 each, including an extortionate level of tax that people would be happy to pay? It could save your care in the community being axed. . When you consider that something like 7 million people toke - every tenth household? - the tax potential is mind boggling. Yes some people would grow it in greenhouses or cupboards but people can brew their own wine and beer too - but how many bother? Btw, sorry to destroy your aspirations to become Southends top drug overlord but the polytunnel in your back garden would probably only be big enough to supply a few households, if that - think of how many tomatoes you could grow in it - so you’d better cancel the Ferrari. Truth Will Prevail

12:35pm Wed 26 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Tsk tsk! I turn my back for a few days and you’re off again Asbo - making fast and loose with the facts, confusing pedantry and anecdote with bona fide arguments, insulting and abusing people, and ranting on about things you know nothing about. If you don’t start playing nicely with the other children I’ll have to have a word with your Mum again. What makes you such a sad, sour little man Asbo? Has life been unkind to you? Tough. Grow up and get over it.
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Let’s try and explain the facts of weed to you again, households I know who toke regularly spend between £15 and £30 per week on it. In my world that’s barely enough for a bottle of wine (you’d probably prefer Asda cider). In physical terms we’re talking about as much as you could fit into one or two quails eggs but this stuff grows like tomatoes and yields about as much as my (poor)attempts to grow tomatoes so plain common sense should tell you that there is a huge tax potential. Since when did tomatoes cost £50 each, including an extortionate level of tax that people would be happy to pay? It could save your care in the community being axed.
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When you consider that something like 7 million people toke - every tenth household? - the tax potential is mind boggling. Yes some people would grow it in greenhouses or cupboards but people can brew their own wine and beer too - but how many bother? Btw, sorry to destroy your aspirations to become Southends top drug overlord but the polytunnel in your back garden would probably only be big enough to supply a few households, if that - think of how many tomatoes you could grow in it - so you’d better cancel the Ferrari.
need i bring up the disastrous gardening ability of the average stoner again? tomatoes are really not difficult to grow.
i made wine at home over 2 seasons. 3 yrs later it was ready to drink! never made beer at home but i'm reliably informed homebrew is undrinkable so i'll stick with my polytunnel plantation. you'll be to get your regular fix of asbo's annihiliator from my agent outside the dole office.
all hypothethical anyway because cannabis is never going to be legalised.
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: Tsk tsk! I turn my back for a few days and you’re off again Asbo - making fast and loose with the facts, confusing pedantry and anecdote with bona fide arguments, insulting and abusing people, and ranting on about things you know nothing about. If you don’t start playing nicely with the other children I’ll have to have a word with your Mum again. What makes you such a sad, sour little man Asbo? Has life been unkind to you? Tough. Grow up and get over it. . Let’s try and explain the facts of weed to you again, households I know who toke regularly spend between £15 and £30 per week on it. In my world that’s barely enough for a bottle of wine (you’d probably prefer Asda cider). In physical terms we’re talking about as much as you could fit into one or two quails eggs but this stuff grows like tomatoes and yields about as much as my (poor)attempts to grow tomatoes so plain common sense should tell you that there is a huge tax potential. Since when did tomatoes cost £50 each, including an extortionate level of tax that people would be happy to pay? It could save your care in the community being axed. . When you consider that something like 7 million people toke - every tenth household? - the tax potential is mind boggling. Yes some people would grow it in greenhouses or cupboards but people can brew their own wine and beer too - but how many bother? Btw, sorry to destroy your aspirations to become Southends top drug overlord but the polytunnel in your back garden would probably only be big enough to supply a few households, if that - think of how many tomatoes you could grow in it - so you’d better cancel the Ferrari.[/p][/quote]need i bring up the disastrous gardening ability of the average stoner again? tomatoes are really not difficult to grow. i made wine at home over 2 seasons. 3 yrs later it was ready to drink! never made beer at home but i'm reliably informed homebrew is undrinkable so i'll stick with my polytunnel plantation. you'll be to get your regular fix of asbo's annihiliator from my agent outside the dole office. all hypothethical anyway because cannabis is never going to be legalised. beyond the valley of the asbos

12:47pm Wed 26 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

an addiction that costs £15-30 per week going up to £50 per week. i make that between £1040 - 1,820 extra cost per annum. how is your average cannabis using, benefit sucking dependant going to afford the extra cost? answers cannot include having more children and using the child benefit (though that's the likely reality)
an addiction that costs £15-30 per week going up to £50 per week. i make that between £1040 - 1,820 extra cost per annum. how is your average cannabis using, benefit sucking dependant going to afford the extra cost? answers cannot include having more children and using the child benefit (though that's the likely reality) beyond the valley of the asbos

2:08pm Wed 26 Sep 12

E-Types... says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Tsk tsk! I turn my back for a few days and you’re off again Asbo - making fast and loose with the facts, confusing pedantry and anecdote with bona fide arguments, insulting and abusing people, and ranting on about things you know nothing about. If you don’t start playing nicely with the other children I’ll have to have a word with your Mum again. What makes you such a sad, sour little man Asbo? Has life been unkind to you? Tough. Grow up and get over it.
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Let’s try and explain the facts of weed to you again, households I know who toke regularly spend between £15 and £30 per week on it. In my world that’s barely enough for a bottle of wine (you’d probably prefer Asda cider). In physical terms we’re talking about as much as you could fit into one or two quails eggs but this stuff grows like tomatoes and yields about as much as my (poor)attempts to grow tomatoes so plain common sense should tell you that there is a huge tax potential. Since when did tomatoes cost £50 each, including an extortionate level of tax that people would be happy to pay? It could save your care in the community being axed.
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When you consider that something like 7 million people toke - every tenth household? - the tax potential is mind boggling. Yes some people would grow it in greenhouses or cupboards but people can brew their own wine and beer too - but how many bother? Btw, sorry to destroy your aspirations to become Southends top drug overlord but the polytunnel in your back garden would probably only be big enough to supply a few households, if that - think of how many tomatoes you could grow in it - so you’d better cancel the Ferrari.
As a stoner...your opinion is bounded to be biased as well as muddled, confused and interspersed with guffawing and a need to to chew your finger nails if their is no M&Ms in the fridge.


Im not saying all "toters" are like that...just you.
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: Tsk tsk! I turn my back for a few days and you’re off again Asbo - making fast and loose with the facts, confusing pedantry and anecdote with bona fide arguments, insulting and abusing people, and ranting on about things you know nothing about. If you don’t start playing nicely with the other children I’ll have to have a word with your Mum again. What makes you such a sad, sour little man Asbo? Has life been unkind to you? Tough. Grow up and get over it. . Let’s try and explain the facts of weed to you again, households I know who toke regularly spend between £15 and £30 per week on it. In my world that’s barely enough for a bottle of wine (you’d probably prefer Asda cider). In physical terms we’re talking about as much as you could fit into one or two quails eggs but this stuff grows like tomatoes and yields about as much as my (poor)attempts to grow tomatoes so plain common sense should tell you that there is a huge tax potential. Since when did tomatoes cost £50 each, including an extortionate level of tax that people would be happy to pay? It could save your care in the community being axed. . When you consider that something like 7 million people toke - every tenth household? - the tax potential is mind boggling. Yes some people would grow it in greenhouses or cupboards but people can brew their own wine and beer too - but how many bother? Btw, sorry to destroy your aspirations to become Southends top drug overlord but the polytunnel in your back garden would probably only be big enough to supply a few households, if that - think of how many tomatoes you could grow in it - so you’d better cancel the Ferrari.[/p][/quote]As a stoner...your opinion is bounded to be biased as well as muddled, confused and interspersed with guffawing and a need to to chew your finger nails if their is no M&Ms in the fridge. Im not saying all "toters" are like that...just you. E-Types...

2:41pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.
How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry. Truth Will Prevail

3:22pm Wed 26 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.
50 minus 15 is 35 multiplied by 52. do i need to post the link about cannabis shrinking the iq again?
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.[/p][/quote]50 minus 15 is 35 multiplied by 52. do i need to post the link about cannabis shrinking the iq again? beyond the valley of the asbos

4:12pm Wed 26 Sep 12

longestpier says...

100 police yet no arrests or seizures. A prime example of the famous "police intelligence" we pay for in our taxes.

Can we sue these fools for misuse of public funds ?

Unbelievable.

What the Echo should do now is demand answers from the chump in charge as to how this amount of time and money was spent on a such a flawed operation and will he/she be apologising to the Southend public for wasting our taxes .
100 police yet no arrests or seizures. A prime example of the famous "police intelligence" we pay for in our taxes. Can we sue these fools for misuse of public funds ? Unbelievable. What the Echo should do now is demand answers from the chump in charge as to how this amount of time and money was spent on a such a flawed operation and will he/she be apologising to the Southend public for wasting our taxes . longestpier

4:48pm Wed 26 Sep 12

jolllyboy says...

Did not know we had 100 left ! Never see them.
Did not know we had 100 left ! Never see them. jolllyboy

5:05pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote: How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.
50 minus 15 is 35 multiplied by 52. do i need to post the link about cannabis shrinking the iq again?
What has 50 got to do with anything? Can't you read plain English? You should go back to Junior School. £15 per week multiplied by 52 weeks is well under a grand per year. Got it dumbo?
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And do I have to repeat again that the study only says it affects kids brains and similar studies have shown exactly the same effect on kids from alcohol use. Still, you obviously don't care about what it does to young people cos if you did you would support decriminalisation because that is the only sure fire way proven to reduce usage by kids. Fact.
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.[/p][/quote]50 minus 15 is 35 multiplied by 52. do i need to post the link about cannabis shrinking the iq again?[/p][/quote]What has 50 got to do with anything? Can't you read plain English? You should go back to Junior School. £15 per week multiplied by 52 weeks is well under a grand per year. Got it dumbo? . And do I have to repeat again that the study only says it affects kids brains and similar studies have shown exactly the same effect on kids from alcohol use. Still, you obviously don't care about what it does to young people cos if you did you would support decriminalisation because that is the only sure fire way proven to reduce usage by kids. Fact. Truth Will Prevail

5:15pm Wed 26 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote: How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.
50 minus 15 is 35 multiplied by 52. do i need to post the link about cannabis shrinking the iq again?
What has 50 got to do with anything? Can't you read plain English? You should go back to Junior School. £15 per week multiplied by 52 weeks is well under a grand per year. Got it dumbo?
.
And do I have to repeat again that the study only says it affects kids brains and similar studies have shown exactly the same effect on kids from alcohol use. Still, you obviously don't care about what it does to young people cos if you did you would support decriminalisation because that is the only sure fire way proven to reduce usage by kids. Fact.
i know cannabis causes amnesia but didn't realise it was that severe. 3 posts ago you talk about £50 being the level with tax on it that people would be prepared to pay as opposed to it costing 15-30 now. 50 - 15 = 35. got that truthy?
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.[/p][/quote]50 minus 15 is 35 multiplied by 52. do i need to post the link about cannabis shrinking the iq again?[/p][/quote]What has 50 got to do with anything? Can't you read plain English? You should go back to Junior School. £15 per week multiplied by 52 weeks is well under a grand per year. Got it dumbo? . And do I have to repeat again that the study only says it affects kids brains and similar studies have shown exactly the same effect on kids from alcohol use. Still, you obviously don't care about what it does to young people cos if you did you would support decriminalisation because that is the only sure fire way proven to reduce usage by kids. Fact.[/p][/quote]i know cannabis causes amnesia but didn't realise it was that severe. 3 posts ago you talk about £50 being the level with tax on it that people would be prepared to pay as opposed to it costing 15-30 now. 50 - 15 = 35. got that truthy? beyond the valley of the asbos

6:25pm Wed 26 Sep 12

E-Types... says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.
50 minus 15 is 35 multiplied by 52. do i need to post the link about cannabis shrinking the iq again?
Yes! TWPs IQ has shrunk since you last advised him of the matter.
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.[/p][/quote]50 minus 15 is 35 multiplied by 52. do i need to post the link about cannabis shrinking the iq again?[/p][/quote]Yes! TWPs IQ has shrunk since you last advised him of the matter. E-Types...

6:29pm Wed 26 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

E-Types... wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.
50 minus 15 is 35 multiplied by 52. do i need to post the link about cannabis shrinking the iq again?
Yes! TWPs IQ has shrunk since you last advised him of the matter.
i'd noticed but it's not my style to be impolite
[quote][p][bold]E-Types...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.[/p][/quote]50 minus 15 is 35 multiplied by 52. do i need to post the link about cannabis shrinking the iq again?[/p][/quote]Yes! TWPs IQ has shrunk since you last advised him of the matter.[/p][/quote]i'd noticed but it's not my style to be impolite beyond the valley of the asbos

7:16pm Wed 26 Sep 12

squarewheels. says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
E-Types... wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote: How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.
50 minus 15 is 35 multiplied by 52. do i need to post the link about cannabis shrinking the iq again?
Yes! TWPs IQ has shrunk since you last advised him of the matter.
i'd noticed but it's not my style to be impolite
Nice!.

Sadly ET will have to get a dictionary out to look up what style is, then get it out again to look up what impolite means.- And then he still won't get you point.

Pearls before swine..
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.[/p][/quote]50 minus 15 is 35 multiplied by 52. do i need to post the link about cannabis shrinking the iq again?[/p][/quote]Yes! TWPs IQ has shrunk since you last advised him of the matter.[/p][/quote]i'd noticed but it's not my style to be impolite[/p][/quote]Nice!. Sadly ET will have to get a dictionary out to look up what style is, then get it out again to look up what impolite means.- And then he still won't get you point. Pearls before swine.. squarewheels.

7:24pm Wed 26 Sep 12

E-Types... says...

squarewheels. wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
E-Types... wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote: How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.
50 minus 15 is 35 multiplied by 52. do i need to post the link about cannabis shrinking the iq again?
Yes! TWPs IQ has shrunk since you last advised him of the matter.
i'd noticed but it's not my style to be impolite
Nice!.

Sadly ET will have to get a dictionary out to look up what style is, then get it out again to look up what impolite means.- And then he still won't get you point.

Pearls before swine..
Oh dear...what a silly little post...couldn't you come up with anything more interesting? Hardly seems worth the effort!

Btw you still havent told us the name of your teddy...iv been looking on the other thread but you seem to have fled!
[quote][p][bold]squarewheels.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E-Types...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.[/p][/quote]50 minus 15 is 35 multiplied by 52. do i need to post the link about cannabis shrinking the iq again?[/p][/quote]Yes! TWPs IQ has shrunk since you last advised him of the matter.[/p][/quote]i'd noticed but it's not my style to be impolite[/p][/quote]Nice!. Sadly ET will have to get a dictionary out to look up what style is, then get it out again to look up what impolite means.- And then he still won't get you point. Pearls before swine..[/p][/quote]Oh dear...what a silly little post...couldn't you come up with anything more interesting? Hardly seems worth the effort! Btw you still havent told us the name of your teddy...iv been looking on the other thread but you seem to have fled! E-Types...

9:40pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote: How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.
50 minus 15 is 35 multiplied by 52. do i need to post the link about cannabis shrinking the iq again?
What has 50 got to do with anything? Can't you read plain English? You should go back to Junior School. £15 per week multiplied by 52 weeks is well under a grand per year. Got it dumbo? . And do I have to repeat again that the study only says it affects kids brains and similar studies have shown exactly the same effect on kids from alcohol use. Still, you obviously don't care about what it does to young people cos if you did you would support decriminalisation because that is the only sure fire way proven to reduce usage by kids. Fact.
i know cannabis causes amnesia but didn't realise it was that severe. 3 posts ago you talk about £50 being the level with tax on it that people would be prepared to pay as opposed to it costing 15-30 now. 50 - 15 = 35. got that truthy?
That is not what I said at all. What I actually said was..."Let’s try and explain the facts of weed to you again, households I know who toke regularly spend between £15 and £30 per week on it. In my world that’s barely enough for a bottle of wine".
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That's 13 x 52 which is under £700 per year.What's complicated about that? Where does the £50 come in?
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You obviously aren't familiar with the size of quails eggs as I said later than this weekly quantity is equivalent to around one or two quails eggs, which is a lot smaller than an average tomato. No point conversing with morons, just get stuck on pedantic quibbles.
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: How does 52 x £15 equal over a grand? Can't even be bothered to explain that cannabis is non addictive, again. Shame there is no cure for imbecility and bigotry.[/p][/quote]50 minus 15 is 35 multiplied by 52. do i need to post the link about cannabis shrinking the iq again?[/p][/quote]What has 50 got to do with anything? Can't you read plain English? You should go back to Junior School. £15 per week multiplied by 52 weeks is well under a grand per year. Got it dumbo? . And do I have to repeat again that the study only says it affects kids brains and similar studies have shown exactly the same effect on kids from alcohol use. Still, you obviously don't care about what it does to young people cos if you did you would support decriminalisation because that is the only sure fire way proven to reduce usage by kids. Fact.[/p][/quote]i know cannabis causes amnesia but didn't realise it was that severe. 3 posts ago you talk about £50 being the level with tax on it that people would be prepared to pay as opposed to it costing 15-30 now. 50 - 15 = 35. got that truthy?[/p][/quote]That is not what I said at all. What I actually said was..."Let’s try and explain the facts of weed to you again, households I know who toke regularly spend between £15 and £30 per week on it. In my world that’s barely enough for a bottle of wine". . That's 13 x 52 which is under £700 per year.What's complicated about that? Where does the £50 come in? . You obviously aren't familiar with the size of quails eggs as I said later than this weekly quantity is equivalent to around one or two quails eggs, which is a lot smaller than an average tomato. No point conversing with morons, just get stuck on pedantic quibbles. Truth Will Prevail

9:45pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

Oops sorry, whacked it out so quick I typed in 13 instead of 15 which is just under £800 not £700. Can't be bothered to waste energy on fools but no doubt the small minded trolls will blow my error up. Who cares, they will make no difference.
Oops sorry, whacked it out so quick I typed in 13 instead of 15 which is just under £800 not £700. Can't be bothered to waste energy on fools but no doubt the small minded trolls will blow my error up. Who cares, they will make no difference. Truth Will Prevail

10:03pm Wed 26 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Oops sorry, whacked it out so quick I typed in 13 instead of 15 which is just under £800 not £700. Can't be bothered to waste energy on fools but no doubt the small minded trolls will blow my error up. Who cares, they will make no difference.
so explain "Since when did tomatoes cost £50 each, including an extortionate level of tax that people would be happy to pay?" addled state or memory loss?
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: Oops sorry, whacked it out so quick I typed in 13 instead of 15 which is just under £800 not £700. Can't be bothered to waste energy on fools but no doubt the small minded trolls will blow my error up. Who cares, they will make no difference.[/p][/quote]so explain "Since when did tomatoes cost £50 each, including an extortionate level of tax that people would be happy to pay?" addled state or memory loss? beyond the valley of the asbos

10:05pm Wed 26 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

having drawn a direct comparison between tomato plants and cannabis plants.
having drawn a direct comparison between tomato plants and cannabis plants. beyond the valley of the asbos

10:51pm Wed 26 Sep 12

E-Types... says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Oops sorry, whacked it out so quick I typed in 13 instead of 15 which is just under £800 not £700. Can't be bothered to waste energy on fools but no doubt the small minded trolls will blow my error up. Who cares, they will make no difference.
Admit it you are a raving stoner...probably barely in control of yourself...LOL
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: Oops sorry, whacked it out so quick I typed in 13 instead of 15 which is just under £800 not £700. Can't be bothered to waste energy on fools but no doubt the small minded trolls will blow my error up. Who cares, they will make no difference.[/p][/quote]Admit it you are a raving stoner...probably barely in control of yourself...LOL E-Types...

3:13pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote: Oops sorry, whacked it out so quick I typed in 13 instead of 15 which is just under £800 not £700. Can't be bothered to waste energy on fools but no doubt the small minded trolls will blow my error up. Who cares, they will make no difference.
so explain "Since when did tomatoes cost £50 each, including an extortionate level of tax that people would be happy to pay?" addled state or memory loss?
Idiot, if something the size of a qualis egg is worth £15 then something the size of an average tomato would be worth about £50. It's not rocket science, unless you are mentally defective. Learn to read!
[quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: Oops sorry, whacked it out so quick I typed in 13 instead of 15 which is just under £800 not £700. Can't be bothered to waste energy on fools but no doubt the small minded trolls will blow my error up. Who cares, they will make no difference.[/p][/quote]so explain "Since when did tomatoes cost £50 each, including an extortionate level of tax that people would be happy to pay?" addled state or memory loss?[/p][/quote]Idiot, if something the size of a qualis egg is worth £15 then something the size of an average tomato would be worth about £50. It's not rocket science, unless you are mentally defective. Learn to read! Truth Will Prevail

4:20pm Thu 27 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
beyond the valley of the asbos wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote: Oops sorry, whacked it out so quick I typed in 13 instead of 15 which is just under £800 not £700. Can't be bothered to waste energy on fools but no doubt the small minded trolls will blow my error up. Who cares, they will make no difference.
so explain "Since when did tomatoes cost £50 each, including an extortionate level of tax that people would be happy to pay?" addled state or memory loss?
Idiot, if something the size of a qualis egg is worth £15 then something the size of an average tomato would be worth about £50. It's not rocket science, unless you are mentally defective. Learn to read!
what about cherry tomatoes or gardeners' delight?? so no tax then. oh well you better go back to the drawing board and keep the champagne on ice
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beyond the valley of the asbos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: Oops sorry, whacked it out so quick I typed in 13 instead of 15 which is just under £800 not £700. Can't be bothered to waste energy on fools but no doubt the small minded trolls will blow my error up. Who cares, they will make no difference.[/p][/quote]so explain "Since when did tomatoes cost £50 each, including an extortionate level of tax that people would be happy to pay?" addled state or memory loss?[/p][/quote]Idiot, if something the size of a qualis egg is worth £15 then something the size of an average tomato would be worth about £50. It's not rocket science, unless you are mentally defective. Learn to read![/p][/quote]what about cherry tomatoes or gardeners' delight?? so no tax then. oh well you better go back to the drawing board and keep the champagne on ice beyond the valley of the asbos

4:51pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

Your comments are ludicrous, pedantic, nit-picking Asbo. There is no question about which one of us is "addled" and "barely in control" of himself, it's YOU matey.
Your comments are ludicrous, pedantic, nit-picking Asbo. There is no question about which one of us is "addled" and "barely in control" of himself, it's YOU matey. Truth Will Prevail

5:33pm Thu 27 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

addled calleth unto addledness
addled calleth unto addledness beyond the valley of the asbos

8:17pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

You said it dumbo, you're so addled you don't even know how addled you are.
You said it dumbo, you're so addled you don't even know how addled you are. Truth Will Prevail

9:05pm Thu 27 Sep 12

beyond the valley of the asbos says...

haha the great hadleigh tomato famine of 2012. saddled with addled truthy?
haha the great hadleigh tomato famine of 2012. saddled with addled truthy? beyond the valley of the asbos

12:39am Sat 29 Sep 12

Nebs says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Nebs wrote:
jayman wrote: though I am against drugs and the selling of illegal drugs i must say that the police got it so wrong on this one. all police cars should have thermal cameras mounted on there roof to spot the high heat signature of cannabis factories in domestic properties. nightclubs and bars should have chemically reactive surfaces (toilet seats, tables and sink units) that turn pink or blue when cocaine has come into contact with the surface. passive electronic 'chemical noses' should be used by pubs and clubs (with government subsidy) to find the dealers in the crowd.
A few good ideas there. Not too sure about the reactive surfaces, as their competitors would send in ringers to get the police to focus on everyone but their own place with the result that all the colours would have changed, everywhere, within 24 hours of being put in place. Like the other ideas though.
You would. You also know nothing about this subject. Only large commercial cannabis "farms" make large heat signatures, 150 and 75 watt bulbs are no different from loads of ordinary domestic devices and there must be dozens if not hundreds of smaller growers for every commercial grower (look at the "grow" shops). As for testing and reactive surfaces, cocaine is only one drug, there are loads more and all would require their own specific tests, completely impractical, as usual from you two.
I know about this though. http://www.rawstory.
com/rs/2011/07/26/fi
ngerprint-analysis-a
ims-to-revolutionize
-drug-testing/
Luckily for the users we keep being told that it is not addictive so they should be able to stop before they get caught.
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: though I am against drugs and the selling of illegal drugs i must say that the police got it so wrong on this one. all police cars should have thermal cameras mounted on there roof to spot the high heat signature of cannabis factories in domestic properties. nightclubs and bars should have chemically reactive surfaces (toilet seats, tables and sink units) that turn pink or blue when cocaine has come into contact with the surface. passive electronic 'chemical noses' should be used by pubs and clubs (with government subsidy) to find the dealers in the crowd.[/p][/quote]A few good ideas there. Not too sure about the reactive surfaces, as their competitors would send in ringers to get the police to focus on everyone but their own place with the result that all the colours would have changed, everywhere, within 24 hours of being put in place. Like the other ideas though.[/p][/quote]You would. You also know nothing about this subject. Only large commercial cannabis "farms" make large heat signatures, 150 and 75 watt bulbs are no different from loads of ordinary domestic devices and there must be dozens if not hundreds of smaller growers for every commercial grower (look at the "grow" shops). As for testing and reactive surfaces, cocaine is only one drug, there are loads more and all would require their own specific tests, completely impractical, as usual from you two.[/p][/quote]I know about this though. http://www.rawstory. com/rs/2011/07/26/fi ngerprint-analysis-a ims-to-revolutionize -drug-testing/ Luckily for the users we keep being told that it is not addictive so they should be able to stop before they get caught. Nebs

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