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Man caught growing cannabis after burglars stab him in face
10:00am Tuesday 23rd October 2012 in Local News
A MAN was caught growing cannabis in his house after burglars broke in and stabbed him in the face.
Police had been called to the home of Nicholas Vidgeon and his wife following the devastating break-in.
But while they were there they found 14 medium-sized cannabis plants growing in the loft along with a few smaller plants.
Danielle Jones, mitigating, said four men had forced their way into the house and caused him severe injuries.
She said: "There was a laceration to the finger which in fact damaged tendons and he was stabbed in the face twice."
She said Vidgeon had locked his wife in the bedroom during the break-in to keep her safe.
After the attack he had to go to Broomfield Hospital for plastic surgery to his face and both have had to undergo counselling.
They have since moved from the address in Egbert Gardens, Wickford, to Shoebury High Street.
But no one has ever been caught for the burglary.
Miss Jones said when it came to the cannabis it was only for personal use and he was embarrassed and ashamed for what he had put his family through.
Prosecutor Glenda Thompon said the plants found on May 13 had not been tended to for some time . However, a small amount of cocaine and cannabis was also found in the loft.
He had also tapped into an overhead power cable to abstract electricity, without going through the meter.
Lorry driver Vidgeon, 36, pleaded guilty to production of cannabis, possession of cocaine and cannabis,and abstracting electricity.
He has since paid back £1,563 the electricity company for the energy and cost of an engineer to fix the issue. He was given a£1000 fine, £105 costs and £15 victim surcharge.
Comments(104)
asbo industries inc
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10:24am Tue 23 Oct 12
Frank Gannett
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11:29am Tue 23 Oct 12
He shouldn't have stole electricity but why publish this guy's new address? So rippers can pay him another visit?
Pawel_Si
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11:41am Tue 23 Oct 12
What is wrong with you?
Rochford Rob
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11:50am Tue 23 Oct 12
As ye sow, so shall ye reap.
asbo industries inc
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11:54am Tue 23 Oct 12
Frank Gannett wrote:if someone is breaking the law in front of your eyes why would you not prosecute them?
Doubtless the police are putting all their efforts into finding the attackers that tried to kill this man in his own home. Or were they so excited at finding a few plants they forgot?
He shouldn't have stole electricity but why publish this guy's new address? So rippers can pay him another visit?
Pawel_Si
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12:02pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:Priorities... here sounds like Police is going after "easy" crime.
Frank Gannett wrote:if someone is breaking the law in front of your eyes why would you not prosecute them?
Doubtless the police are putting all their efforts into finding the attackers that tried to kill this man in his own home. Or were they so excited at finding a few plants they forgot?
He shouldn't have stole electricity but why publish this guy's new address? So rippers can pay him another visit?
asbo industries inc
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12:11pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Pawel_Si wrote:why not? he has broken the law not once, not twice but three times in one bust.
asbo industries inc wrote:Priorities... here sounds like Police is going after "easy" crime.
Frank Gannett wrote:if someone is breaking the law in front of your eyes why would you not prosecute them?
Doubtless the police are putting all their efforts into finding the attackers that tried to kill this man in his own home. Or were they so excited at finding a few plants they forgot?
He shouldn't have stole electricity but why publish this guy's new address? So rippers can pay him another visit?
if i were a betting man (which i am) i would say the aggravated burglary was greater than 95% probability drug motivated so as was pointed out earlier you reap what you sow.
Basildon.lad.21
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12:19pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Nebs
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12:31pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:In a growth industry such as this, maybe there is a shortage of fully trained people capable of doing the job.
surely no shortage of illegal immigrants to tend to the plants. you just can't get the staff these days!
No mention of what was stolen, no description of the burglars, no efit pictures of the burglars. Did they steal anything or did they just break in to beat him up and smash up his house?
Are we only getting half the story?
Babs Stanley
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12:34pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing.
If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. If anyone does have a problem with it they could get help without having to confess to a crime.
CLEAR published independent, expert research last year which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum.
It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us about cannabis. Find out the truth for yourself and wake up to the lies you have been told.
asbo industries inc
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12:39pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Babs Stanley wrote:let the cannabot circle jerk commence
We need to stop this stupid and unwinnable war against cannabis. It is causing far more harm to our communities than it prevents. If we had a properly regulated system of production and supply we'd have no more illegal cannabis farms, instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content.
Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing.
If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. If anyone does have a problem with it they could get help without having to confess to a crime.
CLEAR published independent, expert research last year which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum.
It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us about cannabis. Find out the truth for yourself and wake up to the lies you have been told.
Rochford Rob
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12:45pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Those comments alone prove that is not the case.
Back to subject, criminals stabbing each other - I'm all for it !
Aint it just the truth
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12:47pm Tue 23 Oct 12
jayman
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12:53pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Babs Stanley wrote:so far as I can read the war is going quite nicely in favour of the anti-drug side.
We need to stop this stupid and unwinnable war against cannabis. It is causing far more harm to our communities than it prevents. If we had a properly regulated system of production and supply we'd have no more illegal cannabis farms, instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content.
Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing.
If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. If anyone does have a problem with it they could get help without having to confess to a crime.
CLEAR published independent, expert research last year which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum.
It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us about cannabis. Find out the truth for yourself and wake up to the lies you have been told.
as long as drug dealers and criminals concern themselves with growing an easily detectable drug which has health implications but all be it limited health implications compared to class A's.
tell me. how would you have the drug legalised?
what controls would you put in place?
how much tax should we charge on cannabis?
then tell me
what would the criminal elements do once this drug has been legalised?
perhaps they will all get jobs in supermarkets stacking shelves.
I doubt they would. it would a case of 'on to the next drug' hydroponic heroin poppy cultivation is a costly business. low yields compared to cannabis cultivation. so what would happen if there is no money to be made from cannabis if it is made legal ? yep.. you guessed it!
alimac69
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1:10pm Tue 23 Oct 12
jayman
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1:11pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Babs Stanley wrote:in your world, everyone is walking around as stoned as a saint while output in our industries declines as a direct result of everyone 'artificially relaxing'. a sign that mankind has truly become separated from the world around them due to 'self medicating' becoming legal.
We need to stop this stupid and unwinnable war against cannabis. It is causing far more harm to our communities than it prevents. If we had a properly regulated system of production and supply we'd have no more illegal cannabis farms, instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content.
Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing.
If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. If anyone does have a problem with it they could get help without having to confess to a crime.
CLEAR published independent, expert research last year which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum.
It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us about cannabis. Find out the truth for yourself and wake up to the lies you have been told.
in your dream world there is also an increase in cheaper heroin on the black market. violent crime will increase dramatically. police funding will increase to tackle the rise in crimes. the NHS will be hit hard in funding by rehab programs. The money gained in cannabis tax revenue will be spent three times over in tackling the knock on effects of criminal enterprise.
you simply don't want the label of being a criminal while you smoke a drug in a society that has to many problems associated with alcohol and tobacco.
you would need to outlaw at tobacco and/or alcohol to maintain a balance. this would mean taking away someone else's liberty and choices (however wrong) to support your own.
Babs Stanley
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1:16pm Tue 23 Oct 12
I suggest you look at the NHS assessment and see how trivial they are compared to other drugs:
http://www.nta.nhs.u
k/uploads/healthharm
sfinal-v1.pdf
CLEAR has published detailed proposals based on independent, expert research into exactly how cannabis could be legally regulated:
http://www.clear-uk.
org/wp-content/uploa
ds/2011/09/TaxUKCan.
http://www.clear-uk.
org/wp-content/uploa
ds/2011/09/CLEARplan
asbo industries inc
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1:20pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Nebs
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1:33pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:Babs Stanleys original post, if you google it, appears on every cannabis related story you can find. Sometimes the poster is Peter Reynolds.
where's the flag as spam function when you need it?
Where is the flag as pothead function when you need it?
jayman
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1:37pm Tue 23 Oct 12
below is an extract from
http://www.clear-uk.
org/wp-content/uploa
ds/2011/09/CLEARplan
Wholesale distribution and retail licensing would be based on the tobacco/alcohol model.
Licences would only be granted to a "fit and proper" person or company. Previous
cannabis convictions would not disqualify an applicant. There would be a duty of
responsibility on retailers not to supply to someone obviously intoxicated on cannabis or
indeed alcohol. A limit of 10 grammes per transaction could be considered although there
is currently no limit on sales of alcohol which is a very much more dangerous substance.
Sales would be to adults only and ID would be required if there was any doubt of the
customer's age.
end.
oh yes. because the current model of alcohol and tobacco restrictions works beautifully.. i have never, ever seen someone under-age/already intoxicated obtaining alcohol or tobacco illegally!! i really haven't. LOL
another priceless extract
Domestic licences would cost £120 per annum which could be paid as £10 per month.
Remission of licence fees for medicinal users, pensioners and those on benefits should be
considered. Initial applications would require a home visit and licence holders would be
subject to checks for compliance with both control and safety requirements.
end.
Oh this is going to work beautifully as well. Because no criminal will want to undercut the tax man by growing illegal cultivations, not paying the above fee and turning a warehouse into a hydroponics greenhouse while bypassing the electric meter. its not like i have ever been offered fags and pouches of tobacco by a guy in the street who was operating with a large holdall stuffed with dodgy goods.
I think the criminals already have a model they can use to overcome this.
i knew what i was going to read and the way it was going to be presented as soon as i saw the cannabis leaf in the logo at the top of the document. 'they just cant stop themselves I suppose'
asbo industries inc
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1:46pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Nebs wrote:haha funny that. in which case we will also need a flag as posted by washed up hack function?
asbo industries inc wrote:Babs Stanleys original post, if you google it, appears on every cannabis related story you can find. Sometimes the poster is Peter Reynolds.
where's the flag as spam function when you need it?
Where is the flag as pothead function when you need it?
asbo industries inc
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1:49pm Tue 23 Oct 12
jayman wrote:yes its a proper mickey mouse document. £5-8bio in tax revenue equates to £3,000 - 5,000 of tax revenue per dope dependant per annum. good luck with that......
oh... this is priceless, thanks for the link.. i haven't laughed so much in a long time.
below is an extract from
http://www.clear-uk.
org/wp-content/uploa
ds/2011/09/CLEARplan
Wholesale distribution and retail licensing would be based on the tobacco/alcohol model.
Licences would only be granted to a "fit and proper" person or company. Previous
cannabis convictions would not disqualify an applicant. There would be a duty of
responsibility on retailers not to supply to someone obviously intoxicated on cannabis or
indeed alcohol. A limit of 10 grammes per transaction could be considered although there
is currently no limit on sales of alcohol which is a very much more dangerous substance.
Sales would be to adults only and ID would be required if there was any doubt of the
customer's age.
end.
oh yes. because the current model of alcohol and tobacco restrictions works beautifully.. i have never, ever seen someone under-age/already intoxicated obtaining alcohol or tobacco illegally!! i really haven't. LOL
another priceless extract
Domestic licences would cost £120 per annum which could be paid as £10 per month.
Remission of licence fees for medicinal users, pensioners and those on benefits should be
considered. Initial applications would require a home visit and licence holders would be
subject to checks for compliance with both control and safety requirements.
end.
Oh this is going to work beautifully as well. Because no criminal will want to undercut the tax man by growing illegal cultivations, not paying the above fee and turning a warehouse into a hydroponics greenhouse while bypassing the electric meter. its not like i have ever been offered fags and pouches of tobacco by a guy in the street who was operating with a large holdall stuffed with dodgy goods.
I think the criminals already have a model they can use to overcome this.
i knew what i was going to read and the way it was going to be presented as soon as i saw the cannabis leaf in the logo at the top of the document. 'they just cant stop themselves I suppose'
jayman
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1:50pm Tue 23 Oct 12
as above a licence to grow cannabis at home will actually cost a grower £2,200 per annum.
cannabis tax will be set at + 75% unit cost + vat.
A specialist retailer will be an authorised seller of the drug which will be selling the drug away from town centres, schools and major populations and systems will be in place to control sales and prevent multiple person 'bulk buy's'.
not so favourable now is it. But that is what reality will look like..
SuperSilverSourDiesel
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3:51pm Tue 23 Oct 12
“Indeed, far from reducing crime, prohibition has fostered gangsterism on a scale that the world has never seen before... Legalisation would not only drive away the gangsters; it would transform drugs from a law-and-order problem into a public-health problem, which is how they ought to be treated.” - The Economist Editorial Board
Personally i know, as do the professors, experts and economists, that in order to move forward in society, and progress in making it a safer place for the next generation, we need to end cannabis prohibition. The government isnt fooling anyone apart from mindless sheep.
Lastlaugh...
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4:01pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Aint it just the truth wrote:proof of what you are always reporting..."cannabi
You can't educate pork Babs, morons don't want to know the real truth.
s doesn't cause crime" in fact it reduces crime!
SuperSilverSourDiesel
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4:13pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Lastlaugh... wrote:In countries that legally regulate cannabis, associated crimes are almost non existent. Less children use cannabis and the age of first use goes up. A number of different strains are available, including CBD rich varieties. Drug dealers only push the strongest stuff, If cannabis users have no choice of different strains, and only High THC no CBD strains available, it may cause problems in certain susceptible individuals and young people when abused heavily. However, psychosis and schizophrenia will never ever be a side effect. To put things in perspective, alcohol users are 6times more likely to develop psychotic symptoms and psychological problems than cannabis users. I am in no way saying alcohol is guaranteed to cause said psychological problems, but it puts cannabis in perspective. Its not the THC content, its the lack in CBD which is the problem (thanks to prohibition).
Aint it just the truth wrote:proof of what you are always reporting..."ca
You can't educate pork Babs, morons don't want to know the real truth.
nnabi
s doesn't cause crime" in fact it reduces crime!
asbo industries inc
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4:29pm Tue 23 Oct 12
SuperSilverSourDiesel
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4:35pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:Thats why i used to drink, to escape, luckily i switched to the safer alternative, cannabis, and never felt more in touch and down to earth. I dont use cannabis any more because of the quality and price, (dealers are contaminating it with Heroine now, once again thanks to prohibition) But if i ever wanted to get high again, it wouldnt be on alcohol. Cannabis helped me eat and sleep (had an eating and sleeping disorder) and improved my mood. The only thing cannabis helps one escape is stress, but escape reality? Far from it, in fact you become more concious of it. Some of the most intelligent, compassionate people i know use it. I've come to learn that the one's who are the most idiotic are those who pass judgment, for it displays narrow mindedness
our lives are so hollow and empty we need to escape the mundanity of our own existence - yeah. high five me SSDD
Jack Herer
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4:42pm Tue 23 Oct 12
jayman wrote:Really?
if cannabis is ever legalised it will be legalised in a way that the government decide and on the principles of ultra high tax revenue.
as above a licence to grow cannabis at home will actually cost a grower £2,200 per annum.
cannabis tax will be set at + 75% unit cost + vat.
A specialist retailer will be an authorised seller of the drug which will be selling the drug away from town centres, schools and major populations and systems will be in place to control sales and prevent multiple person 'bulk buy's'.
not so favourable now is it. But that is what reality will look like..
Why wouldn't the huge new cannabis industry just go to the high court to argue that cannabis clearly doesn't have a fair market when compared with alcohol?
Alcohol is far, far more dangerous and damaging than cannabis, but it isn't sold in away from town centres or schools etc - why should cannabis then? Alcohol is even allowed to advertise on the telly with unrealistic utopian visions - Carlsberg, Carling, Pimms, Barcardi etc - when the reality is overflowing hospitals with major health issues, and overburdened police and social services with anti-social issues.
Carlsberg don't do tramps for some reason. Or wife beating. Or cirrhosis of the liver.
Cannabis has none of those downsides.
firedog
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4:45pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc
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4:46pm Tue 23 Oct 12
SuperSilverSourDiesel
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4:47pm Tue 23 Oct 12
THE FINDINGS OF FACT OF THE REPORT.
Cannabis…
is not toxic in any possible quantity; i.e. is incapable itself of inducing fatality in a human;
is not addictive, physically or psychologically; i.e. does not induce physical or psychological dependence;
is not pathogenic, does not cause physical or mental deterioration, has no adverse effect on mental or physical health;
does not cause skill impairments (including driving tests);
is benign
has no potential for abuse, or maltreatment of the user;
cannabis has no potential for harm or danger;
does not cause crime;
does not lead to the use of drugs (i.e. toxic, addictive substances);
mitigates, reduces, and can preclude the use of drugs;
cannabis as Preventive Measure/Preventive Medicine is health-enhancing: all use of benign cannabis is medical, whether by the sick or hale: the fallacious arbitrary fictitious ‘distinction’ between ‘medical’ and ‘recreational’ use is exceedingly damaging.
SuperSilverSourDiesel
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4:48pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:Are you a drug dealer and you know prohibition keeps you paid? Wake up.
peter baume (who!!?!!) and the economist editorial board...bit of a barrel scrape don't you think. are you on the clear payroll?
SuperSilverSourDiesel
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4:50pm Tue 23 Oct 12
firedog wrote:Careful, your 6 times more likely to develop psychological problems with casual alcohol use than cannabis use. Dont want to get alcohol induced psychosis do you?
The silly pro comments on here are enough to drive me to drink.
asbo industries inc
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4:50pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc
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4:52pm Tue 23 Oct 12
SuperSilverSourDiesedoes peter reynolds pay you per word of cannabis propaganda/drivel (the term is interchangeable)you write?
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Are you a drug dealer and you know prohibition keeps you paid? Wake up.
peter baume (who!!?!!) and the economist editorial board...bit of a barrel scrape don't you think. are you on the clear payroll?
asbo industries inc
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4:57pm Tue 23 Oct 12
SuperSilverSourDiesegive me some names i might have heard of...or does your library of spam not contain any!?
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Are you a drug dealer and you know prohibition keeps you paid? Wake up.
peter baume (who!!?!!) and the economist editorial board...bit of a barrel scrape don't you think. are you on the clear payroll?
SuperSilverSourDiesel
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4:57pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:Are you working for GW pharma and you know regulation may put you out of work, or at-least hurt your profits?
SuperSilverSourDiesedoes peter reynolds pay you per word of cannabis propaganda/drivel (the term is interchangeable)you write?
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Are you a drug dealer and you know prohibition keeps you paid? Wake up.
peter baume (who!!?!!) and the economist editorial board...bit of a barrel scrape don't you think. are you on the clear payroll?
“Many people who think of themselves as the beneficiaries of prohibition are really net losers. Parents are much more at risk of losing their children under prohibition than they would be if there was some kind of system where we had some measure of control over illicit drugs.” - Peter Baume Former Australian Minister for Health, Minister for Education & Minister for Aboriginal Affairs
The first sentence of that quote seriously reminds me of people like you
Im not a CLEAR member, Peter Reynolds doesnt pay me anything. But unlike you I am not mindlessly grazing in a field full of blind brainwashed sheep ready to be processed and spoon fed another lie.
Bahhh lol
Lastlaugh...
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4:58pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Jack Herer
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4:58pm Tue 23 Oct 12
jayman wrote:So your logic is that we should never stop criminals doing something because they might do something worse instead? Makes sense!
Babs Stanley wrote:so far as I can read the war is going quite nicely in favour of the anti-drug side.
We need to stop this stupid and unwinnable war against cannabis. It is causing far more harm to our communities than it prevents. If we had a properly regulated system of production and supply we'd have no more illegal cannabis farms, instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content.
Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing.
If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. If anyone does have a problem with it they could get help without having to confess to a crime.
CLEAR published independent, expert research last year which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum.
It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us about cannabis. Find out the truth for yourself and wake up to the lies you have been told.
as long as drug dealers and criminals concern themselves with growing an easily detectable drug which has health implications but all be it limited health implications compared to class A's.
tell me. how would you have the drug legalised?
what controls would you put in place?
how much tax should we charge on cannabis?
then tell me
what would the criminal elements do once this drug has been legalised?
perhaps they will all get jobs in supermarkets stacking shelves.
I doubt they would. it would a case of 'on to the next drug' hydroponic heroin poppy cultivation is a costly business. low yields compared to cannabis cultivation. so what would happen if there is no money to be made from cannabis if it is made legal ? yep.. you guessed it!
You clearly aren't living in the real world jayman. Your argument for a heroin switch from criminals requires there to be a market for this heroin. Where is that market then? Are there a load of otherwise responsible people just waiting for criminals to market this heroin, so they can submerge themselves into a lifetime of selling their bodies or robbing old grannies to pay for their heroin fix?
Why would perfectly responsible people suddenly become irresponsible? They wouldn't is the clear answer. Your argument holds no water therefore; it's silly, naive, unfounded, scaremongering which the likes of the Daily Mail would be proud of.
Do you live in a simple world jayman, where James Bond is real and arch criminals cackle as they have marketing meetings for their next dastardly scheme?
Also, how is the drug war going quite nicely when hardcore criminals are getting richer and richer, areas of our cities and towns are no go areas, and drugs are rife? Do you genuinely think the police are stopping drugs on our streets in any meaningful way? You need to speak to them yourself if you are deluded enough to think this war is being won. If it is, is this the last cannabis bust then?
Just a thought jayman, but surely you should leave opinion to adults who know what the real world is like.
SuperSilverSourDiesel
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4:59pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:Names? What are you on about?
SuperSilverSourDiesegive me some names i might have heard of...or does your library of spam not contain any!?
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Are you a drug dealer and you know prohibition keeps you paid? Wake up.
peter baume (who!!?!!) and the economist editorial board...bit of a barrel scrape don't you think. are you on the clear payroll?
Bahhh :D
SuperSilverSourDiesel
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5:00pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Lastlaugh... wrote:illegal? You can get cannabis on the NHS, stronger than any street weed.
All the pro and anti comments doesn't matter a...spliff...the stuff is illegal..."End of" as one of the regular pro toters is wont to advise...
asbo industries inc
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5:02pm Tue 23 Oct 12
SuperSilverSourDiesepeter baume again. lol!
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Are you working for GW pharma and you know regulation may put you out of work, or at-least hurt your profits?
SuperSilverSourDiesedoes peter reynolds pay you per word of cannabis propaganda/drivel (the term is interchangeable)you write?
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Are you a drug dealer and you know prohibition keeps you paid? Wake up.
peter baume (who!!?!!) and the economist editorial board...bit of a barrel scrape don't you think. are you on the clear payroll?
“Many people who think of themselves as the beneficiaries of prohibition are really net losers. Parents are much more at risk of losing their children under prohibition than they would be if there was some kind of system where we had some measure of control over illicit drugs.” - Peter Baume Former Australian Minister for Health, Minister for Education & Minister for Aboriginal Affairs
The first sentence of that quote seriously reminds me of people like you
Im not a CLEAR member, Peter Reynolds doesnt pay me anything. But unlike you I am not mindlessly grazing in a field full of blind brainwashed sheep ready to be processed and spoon fed another lie.
Bahhh lol
SuperSilverSourDiesel
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5:03pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Your assuming these 'people' are using logic and common sense. assumption is the death of all investigation.
SuperSilverSourDiesel
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5:03pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:Bahhh, funny i think you have ate more grass than iv smoked.
SuperSilverSourDiesepeter baume again. lol!
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Are you working for GW pharma and you know regulation may put you out of work, or at-least hurt your profits?
SuperSilverSourDiesedoes peter reynolds pay you per word of cannabis propaganda/drivel (the term is interchangeable)you write?
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Are you a drug dealer and you know prohibition keeps you paid? Wake up.
peter baume (who!!?!!) and the economist editorial board...bit of a barrel scrape don't you think. are you on the clear payroll?
“Many people who think of themselves as the beneficiaries of prohibition are really net losers. Parents are much more at risk of losing their children under prohibition than they would be if there was some kind of system where we had some measure of control over illicit drugs.” - Peter Baume Former Australian Minister for Health, Minister for Education & Minister for Aboriginal Affairs
The first sentence of that quote seriously reminds me of people like you
Im not a CLEAR member, Peter Reynolds doesnt pay me anything. But unlike you I am not mindlessly grazing in a field full of blind brainwashed sheep ready to be processed and spoon fed another lie.
Bahhh lol
asbo industries inc
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5:11pm Tue 23 Oct 12
SuperSilverSourDieseso i take it you can't produce anyone more esteemed?
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Bahhh, funny i think you have ate more grass than iv smoked.
SuperSilverSourDiesepeter baume again. lol!
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Are you working for GW pharma and you know regulation may put you out of work, or at-least hurt your profits?
SuperSilverSourDiesedoes peter reynolds pay you per word of cannabis propaganda/drivel (the term is interchangeable)you write?
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Are you a drug dealer and you know prohibition keeps you paid? Wake up.
peter baume (who!!?!!) and the economist editorial board...bit of a barrel scrape don't you think. are you on the clear payroll?
“Many people who think of themselves as the beneficiaries of prohibition are really net losers. Parents are much more at risk of losing their children under prohibition than they would be if there was some kind of system where we had some measure of control over illicit drugs.” - Peter Baume Former Australian Minister for Health, Minister for Education & Minister for Aboriginal Affairs
The first sentence of that quote seriously reminds me of people like you
Im not a CLEAR member, Peter Reynolds doesnt pay me anything. But unlike you I am not mindlessly grazing in a field full of blind brainwashed sheep ready to be processed and spoon fed another lie.
Bahhh lol
you are yet another user who claims to have used cannabis in the past to "manage" some ailment (all cannabis users are managing pain - more often than not the pain of their insignificant lives) yet has magically quit now (yeah right) but still names himself after a strain of the drug, spends all day long scanning news websites nationally for dope stories and operates full time as a slave/spambot for peter reynolds. quality
asbo industries inc
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5:13pm Tue 23 Oct 12
SuperSilverSourDiesel
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5:20pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:Dont talk as if you know me MR sheep, you have absolutely no clue. And to be honest, at least my messages and comments are factual and real. Who are you, what do you know? How many years have you spent studying the science, history and politics of cannabis? The internet is a great way of spreading an important message, and i will continue to do so until this unjust prohibition is over.
SuperSilverSourDieseso i take it you can't produce anyone more esteemed?
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Bahhh, funny i think you have ate more grass than iv smoked.
SuperSilverSourDiesepeter baume again. lol!
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Are you working for GW pharma and you know regulation may put you out of work, or at-least hurt your profits?
SuperSilverSourDiesedoes peter reynolds pay you per word of cannabis propaganda/drivel (the term is interchangeable)you write?
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Are you a drug dealer and you know prohibition keeps you paid? Wake up.
peter baume (who!!?!!) and the economist editorial board...bit of a barrel scrape don't you think. are you on the clear payroll?
“Many people who think of themselves as the beneficiaries of prohibition are really net losers. Parents are much more at risk of losing their children under prohibition than they would be if there was some kind of system where we had some measure of control over illicit drugs.” - Peter Baume Former Australian Minister for Health, Minister for Education & Minister for Aboriginal Affairs
The first sentence of that quote seriously reminds me of people like you
Im not a CLEAR member, Peter Reynolds doesnt pay me anything. But unlike you I am not mindlessly grazing in a field full of blind brainwashed sheep ready to be processed and spoon fed another lie.
Bahhh lol
you are yet another user who claims to have used cannabis in the past to "manage" some ailment (all cannabis users are managing pain - more often than not the pain of their insignificant lives) yet has magically quit now (yeah right) but still names himself after a strain of the drug, spends all day long scanning news websites nationally for dope stories and operates full time as a slave/spambot for peter reynolds. quality
“Decriminalization does not result in increased drug use. Portugal's 10 year experiment shows clearly that enough is enough. It is time to end the war on drugs worldwide. We must stop criminalising drug users. Health and treatment should be offered to drug users not prison. Bad drugs policies affect literally hundreds of thousands of individuals and communities across the world. We need to provide medical help to those that have problematic use not criminal retribution.” - Richard Branson Founder & Chairman of Virgin Group
“Leaving the drugs market in the hands of criminals causes huge and unnecessary harms to individuals, communities and entire countries, with the poor the hardest hit. We spend billions of pounds without preventing the wide availability of drugs. It is time to replace our failed war on drugs with a strict system of legal regulation, to make the world a safer, healthier place, especially for our children.” - Bob AinsworthMember of UK Parliament & Former Secretary of State for Defence
We are the majority, you are just a tool. A product of over 50 years of propaganda, a sheep grazing in a field afraid of change. BahhhH :D
Sorry, the last reply you will get from me because i do not and will not argue with someone as pathetically misinformed as you. Its a waste.
asbo industries inc
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5:34pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Jack Herer
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5:47pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:How about just changing the world for the better? Does that not count as meaningful in your head?
SuperSilverSourDieseso i take it you can't produce anyone more esteemed?
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Bahhh, funny i think you have ate more grass than iv smoked.
SuperSilverSourDiesepeter baume again. lol!
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Are you working for GW pharma and you know regulation may put you out of work, or at-least hurt your profits?
SuperSilverSourDiesedoes peter reynolds pay you per word of cannabis propaganda/drivel (the term is interchangeable)you write?
l wrote:
asbo industries inc wrote:Are you a drug dealer and you know prohibition keeps you paid? Wake up.
peter baume (who!!?!!) and the economist editorial board...bit of a barrel scrape don't you think. are you on the clear payroll?
“Many people who think of themselves as the beneficiaries of prohibition are really net losers. Parents are much more at risk of losing their children under prohibition than they would be if there was some kind of system where we had some measure of control over illicit drugs.” - Peter Baume Former Australian Minister for Health, Minister for Education & Minister for Aboriginal Affairs
The first sentence of that quote seriously reminds me of people like you
Im not a CLEAR member, Peter Reynolds doesnt pay me anything. But unlike you I am not mindlessly grazing in a field full of blind brainwashed sheep ready to be processed and spoon fed another lie.
Bahhh lol
you are yet another user who claims to have used cannabis in the past to "manage" some ailment (all cannabis users are managing pain - more often than not the pain of their insignificant lives) yet has magically quit now (yeah right) but still names himself after a strain of the drug, spends all day long scanning news websites nationally for dope stories and operates full time as a slave/spambot for peter reynolds. quality
And what about you incidentally? Is unashamedly parroting tabloid ignorance a meaningful way to spend your existence?
Those tabloids didn't get it right about Jimmy Saville eh? Or Hillsborough. Or Milly Dowler. Or much come to think of it.
But they've definitely got it right about cannabis? No doubt? Is it sinful to even question their superior knowledge in your head?
It begs the obvious question; is Jimmy Saville still your hero?
Druggie Scumbag
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5:51pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Lastlaugh... wrote:So is failing to comply with court orders, end of!
All the pro and anti comments doesn't matter a...spliff...the stuff is illegal..."End of" as one of the regular pro toters is wont to advise...
SuperSilverSourDiesel
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6:00pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc
says...
6:10pm Tue 23 Oct 12
SuperSilverSourDiesedo you enjoy life with peter reynolds' arm up you backside?
l wrote:
Jack is there any real point in replying to the brain washed sheep, Anslingers propaganda campaign has taken effect and said sheep will never wake up. Lets leave them to mindlessly graze fields while we attempt to promote a progressive society where 'cannabis dealers' end up like 'bootleggers selling fake cigarettes'. (hardly any in comparison)
Nebs
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6:17pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:asbo, I think you sussed out the earlier one when you pointed out that he had given up, but named himself after a strain of the drug. Keep up the good work. It's about time there were spot fines for posession, if they can afford the drug then they can afford the fines.
SuperSilverSourDiesedo you enjoy life with peter reynolds' arm up you backside?
l wrote:
Jack is there any real point in replying to the brain washed sheep, Anslingers propaganda campaign has taken effect and said sheep will never wake up. Lets leave them to mindlessly graze fields while we attempt to promote a progressive society where 'cannabis dealers' end up like 'bootleggers selling fake cigarettes'. (hardly any in comparison)
SuperSilverSourDiesel
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6:18pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:I dont argue with idiots, they drag me down to their level and beat me with experience :^D
SuperSilverSourDiesedo you enjoy life with peter reynolds' arm up you backside?
l wrote:
Jack is there any real point in replying to the brain washed sheep, Anslingers propaganda campaign has taken effect and said sheep will never wake up. Lets leave them to mindlessly graze fields while we attempt to promote a progressive society where 'cannabis dealers' end up like 'bootleggers selling fake cigarettes'. (hardly any in comparison)
SuperSilverSourDiesel
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6:21pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Nebs wrote:Sussed out, by googling the strain that got rid of my eating disorder? What a fool. Sour alien Og Is a very specific strain of cannabis i used while in the States. Keep up the good work? LOOOL Oh my lord this would be funny if it wasnt so sad. I havent used cannabis in years, but that means i cant name my user name after the strain that helped me? Amazing.
asbo industries inc wrote:asbo, I think you sussed out the earlier one when you pointed out that he had given up, but named himself after a strain of the drug. Keep up the good work. It's about time there were spot fines for posession, if they can afford the drug then they can afford the fines.
SuperSilverSourDiesedo you enjoy life with peter reynolds' arm up you backside?
l wrote:
Jack is there any real point in replying to the brain washed sheep, Anslingers propaganda campaign has taken effect and said sheep will never wake up. Lets leave them to mindlessly graze fields while we attempt to promote a progressive society where 'cannabis dealers' end up like 'bootleggers selling fake cigarettes'. (hardly any in comparison)
asbo industries inc
says...
6:32pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc
says...
6:44pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc
says...
6:50pm Tue 23 Oct 12
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=KAKWKfVcd
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jayman
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6:57pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Jack Herer wrote:from what I can read. Its not exactly 'paradise' to be a drug dealer.
jayman wrote:So your logic is that we should never stop criminals doing something because they might do something worse instead? Makes sense!
Babs Stanley wrote:so far as I can read the war is going quite nicely in favour of the anti-drug side.
We need to stop this stupid and unwinnable war against cannabis. It is causing far more harm to our communities than it prevents. If we had a properly regulated system of production and supply we'd have no more illegal cannabis farms, instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content.
Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing.
If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. If anyone does have a problem with it they could get help without having to confess to a crime.
CLEAR published independent, expert research last year which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum.
It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us about cannabis. Find out the truth for yourself and wake up to the lies you have been told.
as long as drug dealers and criminals concern themselves with growing an easily detectable drug which has health implications but all be it limited health implications compared to class A's.
tell me. how would you have the drug legalised?
what controls would you put in place?
how much tax should we charge on cannabis?
then tell me
what would the criminal elements do once this drug has been legalised?
perhaps they will all get jobs in supermarkets stacking shelves.
I doubt they would. it would a case of 'on to the next drug' hydroponic heroin poppy cultivation is a costly business. low yields compared to cannabis cultivation. so what would happen if there is no money to be made from cannabis if it is made legal ? yep.. you guessed it!
You clearly aren't living in the real world jayman. Your argument for a heroin switch from criminals requires there to be a market for this heroin. Where is that market then? Are there a load of otherwise responsible people just waiting for criminals to market this heroin, so they can submerge themselves into a lifetime of selling their bodies or robbing old grannies to pay for their heroin fix?
Why would perfectly responsible people suddenly become irresponsible? They wouldn't is the clear answer. Your argument holds no water therefore; it's silly, naive, unfounded, scaremongering which the likes of the Daily Mail would be proud of.
Do you live in a simple world jayman, where James Bond is real and arch criminals cackle as they have marketing meetings for their next dastardly scheme?
Also, how is the drug war going quite nicely when hardcore criminals are getting richer and richer, areas of our cities and towns are no go areas, and drugs are rife? Do you genuinely think the police are stopping drugs on our streets in any meaningful way? You need to speak to them yourself if you are deluded enough to think this war is being won. If it is, is this the last cannabis bust then?
Just a thought jayman, but surely you should leave opinion to adults who know what the real world is like.
risks of being glassed in the face, shot, imprisoned, stabbed, ect ect.
the war is being won.. its easy to spot/smell cannabis growers.
its not the most incognito way of making illegal gain.
Lastlaugh...
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8:13pm Tue 23 Oct 12
SuperSilverSourDieseBut you can't grow it and isn't that what the thread is about...
l wrote:
Lastlaugh... wrote:illegal? You can get cannabis on the NHS, stronger than any street weed.
All the pro and anti comments doesn't matter a...spliff...the stuff is illegal..."End of" as one of the regular pro toters is wont to advise...
Lastlaugh...
says...
8:16pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Druggie Scumbag wrote:Would seem you are so smoked up you are merging your threads...man!
Lastlaugh... wrote:So is failing to comply with court orders, end of!
All the pro and anti comments doesn't matter a...spliff...the stuff is illegal..."End of" as one of the regular pro toters is wont to advise...
InTheKnowOk
says...
8:40pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Joel Dalais
says...
8:46pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Some people can be discussed with, some simply cant, they've had the misinformation fed to them from their parents, siblings, peers, media, government. All the pressure to conform and believe the lies to keep them paying extortionate prices and medication.
To keep the drug cartels and similarly funded legal agencies going. It's not their fault. You can't really blame them for their mindless beliefs.
Just try to recognize lost people and move on to others that are more open to scientific fact and critical analysis. These unfortunate people will sooner or later come to question, some sooner or later than others.
You can only help them to a certain extent, don't be-little yourselves, and to an extent themselves. Everyone needs a bit of a 'wake up call', some just havn't had theirs yet.
But always remember, when you're fighting against the corruption, lies and greed of prohibition, you're not just fighting for anti-prohibitionists
, you're fighting for everyone.
Even the 'sheep', cause we were all sheep at one point, remember that.
And of course there are those with vested interests.
Joel Dalais
CLEAR Media Team
CLEAR - Cannabis Law Reform
asbo industries inc
says...
8:48pm Tue 23 Oct 12
InTheKnowOk wrote:that's the cannabot phenomenom. they're bots...hence tireless
63 comments - 59 by the same geezer ... Yawn .....
Jack Herer
says...
8:50pm Tue 23 Oct 12
jayman wrote:Brilliant.
Jack Herer wrote:from what I can read. Its not exactly 'paradise' to be a drug dealer.
jayman wrote:So your logic is that we should never stop criminals doing something because they might do something worse instead? Makes sense!
Babs Stanley wrote:so far as I can read the war is going quite nicely in favour of the anti-drug side.
We need to stop this stupid and unwinnable war against cannabis. It is causing far more harm to our communities than it prevents. If we had a properly regulated system of production and supply we'd have no more illegal cannabis farms, instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content.
Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing.
If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. If anyone does have a problem with it they could get help without having to confess to a crime.
CLEAR published independent, expert research last year which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum.
It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us about cannabis. Find out the truth for yourself and wake up to the lies you have been told.
as long as drug dealers and criminals concern themselves with growing an easily detectable drug which has health implications but all be it limited health implications compared to class A's.
tell me. how would you have the drug legalised?
what controls would you put in place?
how much tax should we charge on cannabis?
then tell me
what would the criminal elements do once this drug has been legalised?
perhaps they will all get jobs in supermarkets stacking shelves.
I doubt they would. it would a case of 'on to the next drug' hydroponic heroin poppy cultivation is a costly business. low yields compared to cannabis cultivation. so what would happen if there is no money to be made from cannabis if it is made legal ? yep.. you guessed it!
You clearly aren't living in the real world jayman. Your argument for a heroin switch from criminals requires there to be a market for this heroin. Where is that market then? Are there a load of otherwise responsible people just waiting for criminals to market this heroin, so they can submerge themselves into a lifetime of selling their bodies or robbing old grannies to pay for their heroin fix?
Why would perfectly responsible people suddenly become irresponsible? They wouldn't is the clear answer. Your argument holds no water therefore; it's silly, naive, unfounded, scaremongering which the likes of the Daily Mail would be proud of.
Do you live in a simple world jayman, where James Bond is real and arch criminals cackle as they have marketing meetings for their next dastardly scheme?
Also, how is the drug war going quite nicely when hardcore criminals are getting richer and richer, areas of our cities and towns are no go areas, and drugs are rife? Do you genuinely think the police are stopping drugs on our streets in any meaningful way? You need to speak to them yourself if you are deluded enough to think this war is being won. If it is, is this the last cannabis bust then?
Just a thought jayman, but surely you should leave opinion to adults who know what the real world is like.
risks of being glassed in the face, shot, imprisoned, stabbed, ect ect.
the war is being won.. its easy to spot/smell cannabis growers.
its not the most incognito way of making illegal gain.
The "war is being won" because it's "easy to spot/smell cannabis growers".
War over therefore. I'm guessing the police are rounding up all the "easy to spot" cannabis farms as we speak. Time to celebrate surely. They'll be pull outs in the papers tomorrow no doubt.
If VE day marked the end of the Second World War in Europe, do you think tomorrow will be called VD day?
At last though eh. We can finally crack open that champagne.
asbo industries inc
says...
8:51pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Joel Dalais wrote:you all use the same terminology. you've downloaded the peter reynolds library of spam and misguided ideology
One of the things to remember when you're discussing current Cannabis Prohibition, and related subjects. Is to remember that 'there be trolls in them thar hills'.
Some people can be discussed with, some simply cant, they've had the misinformation fed to them from their parents, siblings, peers, media, government. All the pressure to conform and believe the lies to keep them paying extortionate prices and medication.
To keep the drug cartels and similarly funded legal agencies going. It's not their fault. You can't really blame them for their mindless beliefs.
Just try to recognize lost people and move on to others that are more open to scientific fact and critical analysis. These unfortunate people will sooner or later come to question, some sooner or later than others.
You can only help them to a certain extent, don't be-little yourselves, and to an extent themselves. Everyone needs a bit of a 'wake up call', some just havn't had theirs yet.
But always remember, when you're fighting against the corruption, lies and greed of prohibition, you're not just fighting for anti-prohibitionists
, you're fighting for everyone.
Even the 'sheep', cause we were all sheep at one point, remember that.
And of course there are those with vested interests.
Joel Dalais
CLEAR Media Team
CLEAR - Cannabis Law Reform
InTheKnowOk
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8:56pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:Rofl ....................
InTheKnowOk wrote:that's the cannabot phenomenom. they're bots...hence tireless
63 comments - 59 by the same geezer ... Yawn .....
....
asbo industries inc
says...
9:09pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Joel Dalais wrote:they're bots. they have no emotions. a pep talk is redundant
One of the things to remember when you're discussing current Cannabis Prohibition, and related subjects. Is to remember that 'there be trolls in them thar hills'.
Some people can be discussed with, some simply cant, they've had the misinformation fed to them from their parents, siblings, peers, media, government. All the pressure to conform and believe the lies to keep them paying extortionate prices and medication.
To keep the drug cartels and similarly funded legal agencies going. It's not their fault. You can't really blame them for their mindless beliefs.
Just try to recognize lost people and move on to others that are more open to scientific fact and critical analysis. These unfortunate people will sooner or later come to question, some sooner or later than others.
You can only help them to a certain extent, don't be-little yourselves, and to an extent themselves. Everyone needs a bit of a 'wake up call', some just havn't had theirs yet.
But always remember, when you're fighting against the corruption, lies and greed of prohibition, you're not just fighting for anti-prohibitionists
, you're fighting for everyone.
Even the 'sheep', cause we were all sheep at one point, remember that.
And of course there are those with vested interests.
Joel Dalais
CLEAR Media Team
CLEAR - Cannabis Law Reform
Joel Dalais
says...
9:18pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Pity you didn't realise that, no worries, sooner or later you'll wake up, until then, toodles.
p.s. your name 'asbo industries' indicates you're one of the vested interests types. Have fun locking up kids and other innocents in the name of greed, control and profit! Go you!
jayman
says...
9:20pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Joel Dalais wrote:a revolution of dope smokers?
One of the things to remember when you're discussing current Cannabis Prohibition, and related subjects. Is to remember that 'there be trolls in them thar hills'.
Some people can be discussed with, some simply cant, they've had the misinformation fed to them from their parents, siblings, peers, media, government. All the pressure to conform and believe the lies to keep them paying extortionate prices and medication.
To keep the drug cartels and similarly funded legal agencies going. It's not their fault. You can't really blame them for their mindless beliefs.
Just try to recognize lost people and move on to others that are more open to scientific fact and critical analysis. These unfortunate people will sooner or later come to question, some sooner or later than others.
You can only help them to a certain extent, don't be-little yourselves, and to an extent themselves. Everyone needs a bit of a 'wake up call', some just havn't had theirs yet.
But always remember, when you're fighting against the corruption, lies and greed of prohibition, you're not just fighting for anti-prohibitionists
, you're fighting for everyone.
Even the 'sheep', cause we were all sheep at one point, remember that.
And of course there are those with vested interests.
Joel Dalais
CLEAR Media Team
CLEAR - Cannabis Law Reform
that would be the most lethargic, un-organised revolution ever.
the catering bill to feed the troops of your cannabis revolution will be astronomical!
viva le resistance.
and pass the lynx around. it smells like a cat has done a herbal p1ss in here..
asbo industries inc
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9:22pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Jack Herer
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9:40pm Tue 23 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:What if they were just decent people who knew that society would genuinely be far better if cannabis were legalised?
InTheKnowOk wrote:that's the cannabot phenomenom. they're bots...hence tireless
63 comments - 59 by the same geezer ... Yawn .....
What do you honestly think is wrong with cannabis asbo industries inc? I'm not talking about something you've read or heard, I'm talking about something you've actually experienced. I've personally seen tragic cases from alcohol use but I've never personally seen anything even remotely bad with cannabis use; not relative to the booze tragedies. Have you? Do you genuinely think our hospitals are awash with cannabis victims or something?
You can't deny that booze fuelled mayhem is everywhere, but where are the pot heads hassling anyone? Ask any copper how many pot heads he has hassling him over the drunken baffoons he has to deal with; it's a no brainer over which is the most hassle.
Remember Euro 2000 jointly hosted by Belgium and Holland? In Belgium they had booze fuelled riots, their police working bloody overtime. In Holland they encouraged cannabis use. Their police were rescuing cats from trees.
Why is booze encouraged but cannabis use stamped on therefore? Any idiot can see that's not a good thing for society.
asbo industries inc
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9:47pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Jack Herer
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9:44am Wed 24 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:Nothing stands on it's own merits by that rationale.
the problem is cannabis does not stand on its own merits. you have to benchmark it against another harmful substance. the fact that alcohol is harmful is not in dispute
Peanuts kill hundreds every year. Same with caffeine. Same with paracetamol. Same as asthma inhalers. And so on, and so on. Someone even died from a tea cosy the other year.
Nothing is danger free. If everything had to stand on it's merits, then everything would be banned.
Of course we should judge alcohol against cannabis and compare their relative dangers; how else would we ever know if society would be better keeping alcohol as the solely available
mind altering recreational substance?
Alcohol is clearly very dangerous and it's harm costs society billions upon billions. The harm from cannabis use seems notable by it's general absence.
How stupid are we therefore by making society far worse than it needs to be? Are we still living in the dark ages or something where we ignore science and reason in favour of skewed tabloid scaremongering?
Should we ban all scientific thinking; is that the answer?
AB3
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12:13pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Reynolds also advocates adding duty to the price of cannabis sold to adults through legalised outlets, producing figures out of thin air to show just the revenue that would be paid by cannabis users - the users he now describes as "crazy stoners". Of course a purchase tax of 200% is more likely than the 10 or 20 per cent he suggests. Add that tax to license fees etc, and the price of cannabis through such shops will increase drastically, enabling illegal growers and street dealers to make even more money.
Reynolds' claims he represents the interests of UK cannabis users - he does not - he certainly does not represent me - he represents the taxman!
Neither do Reynold's views on immigrants, on Jews, on Arabs or on gays, represent my interests.
The law ought to be based upon harm to others and if there is no victims then there should be no crime
David Crown
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12:15pm Wed 24 Oct 12
InTheKnowOk
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1:41pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Aint it just the truth
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3:19pm Wed 24 Oct 12
InTheKnowOk wrote:...errr yes you are.
Come on Echo, sort it out, one username for one i.p addy otherwise we are gonna get the same pot head reeling off comment after comment harping on about the same old c rap whilst trying to justify his own dirty little habit, and if anyone like me challenges him they get called a thick, sad old drunken lonely, boring, reader of the Daily Mail, all of which i'm not ..
Aint it just the truth
says...
3:28pm Wed 24 Oct 12
AB3 wrote:Cannabi plants produce a quarter to half a pound of 'heads' from a single seed that needs broadly the same conditions as tomatoes or strawberries. That means it costs about the same as tomatoes to produce so you could tax it at 500% and still sell cheaper than any illegal dealer. Just like alcohol, if it was legal there would be little incentive for anyone to grow it illegally. You might get a few people doing this like some people brew their own alcohol but generally it would not be worth the trouble. Have a look at the experience of certain American states who grow their own cannabis for sale to the public.
Peter Reynolds and his party policy are not representative of the majority of people that use cannabis - he wants to force people to buy licenses for what is a basic Human Right - the Right to a Private Life, and that means doing whatever they want, including growing cannabis for their own use. Provided they do no harm and pose no risk to public health, public order, national security, growers should be left alone. (Commercial growers should of course be licensed to enable consumer protection, quality control, hygiene and tax on profits. Reynolds also advocates adding duty to the price of cannabis sold to adults through legalised outlets, producing figures out of thin air to show just the revenue that would be paid by cannabis users - the users he now describes as "crazy stoners". Of course a purchase tax of 200% is more likely than the 10 or 20 per cent he suggests. Add that tax to license fees etc, and the price of cannabis through such shops will increase drastically, enabling illegal growers and street dealers to make even more money. Reynolds' claims he represents the interests of UK cannabis users - he does not - he certainly does not represent me - he represents the taxman! Neither do Reynold's views on immigrants, on Jews, on Arabs or on gays, represent my interests. The law ought to be based upon harm to others and if there is no victims then there should be no crime
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The prohibition of cannabis is an unjust law that doesn't work.
AB3
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4:07pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Aint it just the truth wrote:So, Aint it just the truth, who is going to step in and do the commercial cultivation? Big industry? Government? Do you really think they would lower the price so that when the tax is added it will be cheaper than somebody offering it on the illicit market where there is no tax?
AB3 wrote:Cannabi plants produce a quarter to half a pound of 'heads' from a single seed that needs broadly the same conditions as tomatoes or strawberries. That means it costs about the same as tomatoes to produce so you could tax it at 500% and still sell cheaper than any illegal dealer. Just like alcohol, if it was legal there would be little incentive for anyone to grow it illegally. You might get a few people doing this like some people brew their own alcohol but generally it would not be worth the trouble. Have a look at the experience of certain American states who grow their own cannabis for sale to the public.
Peter Reynolds and his party policy are not representative of the majority of people that use cannabis - he wants to force people to buy licenses for what is a basic Human Right - the Right to a Private Life, and that means doing whatever they want, including growing cannabis for their own use. Provided they do no harm and pose no risk to public health, public order, national security, growers should be left alone. (Commercial growers should of course be licensed to enable consumer protection, quality control, hygiene and tax on profits. Reynolds also advocates adding duty to the price of cannabis sold to adults through legalised outlets, producing figures out of thin air to show just the revenue that would be paid by cannabis users - the users he now describes as "crazy stoners". Of course a purchase tax of 200% is more likely than the 10 or 20 per cent he suggests. Add that tax to license fees etc, and the price of cannabis through such shops will increase drastically, enabling illegal growers and street dealers to make even more money. Reynolds' claims he represents the interests of UK cannabis users - he does not - he certainly does not represent me - he represents the taxman! Neither do Reynold's views on immigrants, on Jews, on Arabs or on gays, represent my interests. The law ought to be based upon harm to others and if there is no victims then there should be no crime
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The prohibition of cannabis is an unjust law that doesn't work.
Talking about California, for sure it is grown and sold on prescription though cannabis clinics; the price is about the same in Dutch Coffeeshops; in both places the process are about the same from dealers.
There would still be people growing it specifically for sale and people putting up for sale their excess crops and they would always be able to undercut the prices with tax from places that had bought licenses and were going to have to pay tax on profits as well as all the other expenses that go with running retail outlet.
Well yes cannabis can be grown outdoors in the summer time just like tomatoes or strawberries, but as of many years there is a demand for indoor grown cannabis and that requires quite different conditions than would strawberries etc.
Now there is already a commercial-cannabis crop grower in the UK - we could look at what is happening there - they grow many thousands of plants which they then mix with alcohol to extract ALL the constituents. They then sell the whole-cannabis extract and not cheaply.
This is the case of GW Pharmaceuticals, and they produced a cannabis-extract spray called SATIVEX.
That is legal to prescribe in the UK.
They use about £20 worth of cannabis (if bought illegally that would be the price) actually just a few grams per bottle, costs just a couple of pounds if it was grown in somebody's house, if that.
They turn that into an "approved" medicine which costs the taxpayer over £100 per canister..
MASSIVE PROFIT but it is now so expensive that many NHS Regions will not allow it to be prescribed.
GW Pharmaecuticals, just like anybody else that grows cannabis for sale, will want their profits.
And if as we both agree, costs of growing are little, and profits will be high, tax on profits will be high too.
The Government will save the taxpayers BILLIONS of pounds every year just by legalising cultivation and supply, sayings on police and court time that is getting us nowhere.
Vast sums will be raised by taxing profits.
There is no need to start adding duty on top of that, other than making the users pay more.
So I do not agree when you say "so you could tax it at 500% and still sell cheaper than any illegal dealer. "
That does not make sense
Aint it just the truth
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8:43pm Wed 24 Oct 12
AB3 wrote:That is because you are making up your own facts. Firstly, why do you think people grow cannabis indoors in this country? It's not because it has to be grown indoors, it's because it's illegal! If it was legal you could grow any of the varieties in any greenhouse except that like many of our food crops it needs just a whisker more heat and light than we get naturally. This is true of many of our legal crops from flowers for Xmas to out of season tomatoes. You don't have to go far north in Essex to see acres of polytunnels with hydroponic systems and supplementary heating and lighting to grow out of season tomatoes. This is exactly the same technology that cannabis needs and I believe it is the same system used in various US States. Out of season tomatoes may cost a bit more but they don't cost £400 per kilo do they??? If the Govt grew cannabis this is what they could charge for it because this is what people are happy to pay now and this is a massive profit/tax margin. Sativex costs a lot more because it has to be processed and the drug companies are greedy. The MS sufferers I know also say Sativex doesn't work, they all swear by using normal herbal cannabis, ie straight as it comes from the plant ie no more processing than tomatoes. Also your contention about people continuing to grow cannabis illegally after decriminalisation doesn't hold water. You could say the same about alcohol but few people bother to brew their own alcohol because it's just not worth it, it costs too much and the quality won't be as good and the same would be true of cannabis. Get your facts right!
Aint it just the truth wrote:So, Aint it just the truth, who is going to step in and do the commercial cultivation? Big industry? Government? Do you really think they would lower the price so that when the tax is added it will be cheaper than somebody offering it on the illicit market where there is no tax? Talking about California, for sure it is grown and sold on prescription though cannabis clinics; the price is about the same in Dutch Coffeeshops; in both places the process are about the same from dealers. There would still be people growing it specifically for sale and people putting up for sale their excess crops and they would always be able to undercut the prices with tax from places that had bought licenses and were going to have to pay tax on profits as well as all the other expenses that go with running retail outlet. Well yes cannabis can be grown outdoors in the summer time just like tomatoes or strawberries, but as of many years there is a demand for indoor grown cannabis and that requires quite different conditions than would strawberries etc. Now there is already a commercial-cannabis crop grower in the UK - we could look at what is happening there - they grow many thousands of plants which they then mix with alcohol to extract ALL the constituents. They then sell the whole-cannabis extract and not cheaply. This is the case of GW Pharmaceuticals, and they produced a cannabis-extract spray called SATIVEX. That is legal to prescribe in the UK. They use about £20 worth of cannabis (if bought illegally that would be the price) actually just a few grams per bottle, costs just a couple of pounds if it was grown in somebody's house, if that. They turn that into an "approved" medicine which costs the taxpayer over £100 per canister.. MASSIVE PROFIT but it is now so expensive that many NHS Regions will not allow it to be prescribed. GW Pharmaecuticals, just like anybody else that grows cannabis for sale, will want their profits. And if as we both agree, costs of growing are little, and profits will be high, tax on profits will be high too. The Government will save the taxpayers BILLIONS of pounds every year just by legalising cultivation and supply, sayings on police and court time that is getting us nowhere. Vast sums will be raised by taxing profits. There is no need to start adding duty on top of that, other than making the users pay more. So I do not agree when you say "so you could tax it at 500% and still sell cheaper than any illegal dealer. " That does not make senseAB3 wrote: Peter Reynolds and his party policy are not representative of the majority of people that use cannabis - he wants to force people to buy licenses for what is a basic Human Right - the Right to a Private Life, and that means doing whatever they want, including growing cannabis for their own use. Provided they do no harm and pose no risk to public health, public order, national security, growers should be left alone. (Commercial growers should of course be licensed to enable consumer protection, quality control, hygiene and tax on profits. Reynolds also advocates adding duty to the price of cannabis sold to adults through legalised outlets, producing figures out of thin air to show just the revenue that would be paid by cannabis users - the users he now describes as "crazy stoners". Of course a purchase tax of 200% is more likely than the 10 or 20 per cent he suggests. Add that tax to license fees etc, and the price of cannabis through such shops will increase drastically, enabling illegal growers and street dealers to make even more money. Reynolds' claims he represents the interests of UK cannabis users - he does not - he certainly does not represent me - he represents the taxman! Neither do Reynold's views on immigrants, on Jews, on Arabs or on gays, represent my interests. The law ought to be based upon harm to others and if there is no victims then there should be no crimeCannabi plants produce a quarter to half a pound of 'heads' from a single seed that needs broadly the same conditions as tomatoes or strawberries. That means it costs about the same as tomatoes to produce so you could tax it at 500% and still sell cheaper than any illegal dealer. Just like alcohol, if it was legal there would be little incentive for anyone to grow it illegally. You might get a few people doing this like some people brew their own alcohol but generally it would not be worth the trouble. Have a look at the experience of certain American states who grow their own cannabis for sale to the public. . The prohibition of cannabis is an unjust law that doesn't work.
asbo industries inc
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9:22pm Wed 24 Oct 12
asbo industries inc
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9:27pm Wed 24 Oct 12
AB3
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10:34pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Aint it just the truth wrote:"Firstly, why do you think people grow cannabis indoors in this country?"
AB3 wrote:That is because you are making up your own facts. Firstly, why do you think people grow cannabis indoors in this country? It's not because it has to be grown indoors, it's because it's illegal! If it was legal you could grow any of the varieties in any greenhouse except that like many of our food crops it needs just a whisker more heat and light than we get naturally. This is true of many of our legal crops from flowers for Xmas to out of season tomatoes. You don't have to go far north in Essex to see acres of polytunnels with hydroponic systems and supplementary heating and lighting to grow out of season tomatoes. This is exactly the same technology that cannabis needs and I believe it is the same system used in various US States. Out of season tomatoes may cost a bit more but they don't cost £400 per kilo do they??? If the Govt grew cannabis this is what they could charge for it because this is what people are happy to pay now and this is a massive profit/tax margin. Sativex costs a lot more because it has to be processed and the drug companies are greedy. The MS sufferers I know also say Sativex doesn't work, they all swear by using normal herbal cannabis, ie straight as it comes from the plant ie no more processing than tomatoes. Also your contention about people continuing to grow cannabis illegally after decriminalisation doesn't hold water. You could say the same about alcohol but few people bother to brew their own alcohol because it's just not worth it, it costs too much and the quality won't be as good and the same would be true of cannabis. Get your facts right!
Aint it just the truth wrote:So, Aint it just the truth, who is going to step in and do the commercial cultivation? Big industry? Government? Do you really think they would lower the price so that when the tax is added it will be cheaper than somebody offering it on the illicit market where there is no tax? Talking about California, for sure it is grown and sold on prescription though cannabis clinics; the price is about the same in Dutch Coffeeshops; in both places the process are about the same from dealers. There would still be people growing it specifically for sale and people putting up for sale their excess crops and they would always be able to undercut the prices with tax from places that had bought licenses and were going to have to pay tax on profits as well as all the other expenses that go with running retail outlet. Well yes cannabis can be grown outdoors in the summer time just like tomatoes or strawberries, but as of many years there is a demand for indoor grown cannabis and that requires quite different conditions than would strawberries etc. Now there is already a commercial-cannabis crop grower in the UK - we could look at what is happening there - they grow many thousands of plants which they then mix with alcohol to extract ALL the constituents. They then sell the whole-cannabis extract and not cheaply. This is the case of GW Pharmaceuticals, and they produced a cannabis-extract spray called SATIVEX. That is legal to prescribe in the UK. They use about £20 worth of cannabis (if bought illegally that would be the price) actually just a few grams per bottle, costs just a couple of pounds if it was grown in somebody's house, if that. They turn that into an "approved" medicine which costs the taxpayer over £100 per canister.. MASSIVE PROFIT but it is now so expensive that many NHS Regions will not allow it to be prescribed. GW Pharmaecuticals, just like anybody else that grows cannabis for sale, will want their profits. And if as we both agree, costs of growing are little, and profits will be high, tax on profits will be high too. The Government will save the taxpayers BILLIONS of pounds every year just by legalising cultivation and supply, sayings on police and court time that is getting us nowhere. Vast sums will be raised by taxing profits. There is no need to start adding duty on top of that, other than making the users pay more. So I do not agree when you say "so you could tax it at 500% and still sell cheaper than any illegal dealer. " That does not make senseAB3 wrote: Peter Reynolds and his party policy are not representative of the majority of people that use cannabis - he wants to force people to buy licenses for what is a basic Human Right - the Right to a Private Life, and that means doing whatever they want, including growing cannabis for their own use. Provided they do no harm and pose no risk to public health, public order, national security, growers should be left alone. (Commercial growers should of course be licensed to enable consumer protection, quality control, hygiene and tax on profits. Reynolds also advocates adding duty to the price of cannabis sold to adults through legalised outlets, producing figures out of thin air to show just the revenue that would be paid by cannabis users - the users he now describes as "crazy stoners". Of course a purchase tax of 200% is more likely than the 10 or 20 per cent he suggests. Add that tax to license fees etc, and the price of cannabis through such shops will increase drastically, enabling illegal growers and street dealers to make even more money. Reynolds' claims he represents the interests of UK cannabis users - he does not - he certainly does not represent me - he represents the taxman! Neither do Reynold's views on immigrants, on Jews, on Arabs or on gays, represent my interests. The law ought to be based upon harm to others and if there is no victims then there should be no crimeCannabi plants produce a quarter to half a pound of 'heads' from a single seed that needs broadly the same conditions as tomatoes or strawberries. That means it costs about the same as tomatoes to produce so you could tax it at 500% and still sell cheaper than any illegal dealer. Just like alcohol, if it was legal there would be little incentive for anyone to grow it illegally. You might get a few people doing this like some people brew their own alcohol but generally it would not be worth the trouble. Have a look at the experience of certain American states who grow their own cannabis for sale to the public. . The prohibition of cannabis is an unjust law that doesn't work.
because it can be grown indoors all the year round; because some varieties that people like are indoor plants; because that way the crop is less likely to be stolen.
"you could grow any of the varieties in any greenhouse"
Sop do you think they'll buy a license to grow in the greenhouse or the garden when it is more likely to be seen and stolen, or indoors where it will be unseen and they may not even buy a license then either, as of now.
"Also your contention about people continuing to grow cannabis illegally after decriminalisation doesn't hold water. You could say the same about alcohol "
Well in fact many people do brew their own beers and make their own wines and they DO NOT need license because it is not illegal to do so.
Many people grow their own cannabis despite that it is illegal to do so; all very well if the license is just £2 a week, but £500 a year or more - are you saying they will be able to pay on easy terms?
"quality won't be as good and the same would be true of cannabis."
so now you seem to be saying that cannabis grown without license would be of inferior quality than that grown with a license??
"Sativex costs a lot more because it has to be processed and the drug companies are greedy."
precisely, so do you think that big businesses or Government growing cannabis for sale will be less greedy, especially if they have the monopoly - and what you say about processing - there are many other costs involved with commercial production and sale - from salary to insurance, quality testing to packages, rent, rates, electricity, etc - then you want to add a tax - then whatever profit they make will be taxed - with illegal growers there is just profit and risk. And as we know there are untold numbers out there willing to take those risks.
What punishment would you suggest for those that grow or sell without a license?
Aint it just the truth
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12:12am Thu 25 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:If being offensive and telling bald faced lies is what rocks your boat then we should feel sorry for you, the world must have been very unkind to you.
when the bots are deactivated you step in to fill their boots truthy. 'couple of months ago you were telling all and sundry what a disastrous tomato crop you'd had this year. asbo pharma nurseries ltd had a stellar tomato crop in 2012 btw but happy that the price of weed is not going to be brought down by your amateur efforts....lol
Aint it just the truth
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12:25am Thu 25 Oct 12
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So why should it be different for people who grow a few plants for their own use? That is unfair discrimination!
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"because it can be grown indoors all the year round; because some varieties that people like are indoor plants; because that way the crop is less likely to be stolen".
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True but there are loads of varieties that would do just as well in the same greenhouses that grow out of season toms, flowers and strawberries now. If you were a businessman...?
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"you seem to be saying that cannabis grown without license would be of inferior quality than that grown with a license??"
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Assumption assumption assumption. Wot licence, I refer you to my previous answer. Home growers are not reknown for producing quality, there's a lot of rubbish weed out there, whereas commercial horticulture could produce consistent high quality.
Aint it just the truth
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12:29am Thu 25 Oct 12
AB3
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1:09pm Thu 25 Oct 12
Aint it just the truth wrote:There are "many" interests that are held by people - for example, many people collect stamps, but the majority do not.
Many people brew their own? Nonsense, it's a very minority interest.
if you are going to be pedantic, get it right.
There are many minorities containing many people.
AB3
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1:17pm Thu 25 Oct 12
Aint it just the truth wrote:"I refer you to my previous answer. Home growers are not reknown for producing quality, there's a lot of rubbish weed out there, whereas commercial horticulture could produce consistent high quality."
AB3 "many people do brew their own beers and make their own wines and they DO NOT need license because it is not illegal to do so".
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So why should it be different for people who grow a few plants for their own use? That is unfair discrimination!
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"because it can be grown indoors all the year round; because some varieties that people like are indoor plants; because that way the crop is less likely to be stolen".
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True but there are loads of varieties that would do just as well in the same greenhouses that grow out of season toms, flowers and strawberries now. If you were a businessman...?
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"you seem to be saying that cannabis grown without license would be of inferior quality than that grown with a license??"
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Assumption assumption assumption. Wot licence, I refer you to my previous answer. Home growers are not reknown for producing quality, there's a lot of rubbish weed out there, whereas commercial horticulture could produce consistent high quality.
Total nonsense - for sure there's a lot of rubbish weed out there, grown mostly by people to sell it.
What is available on the street does not reflect the quality that people grown for themselves and never gets to the street.
Licenses for commercial production would be one way of assuring hygiene and quality - in the name of consumer protection. Just like alcohol brewed for commercial distribution.
Just like alcohol, if cannabis is produced at home for no use other than own, there is no need for consumer protection or even quality control - just accurate advice on safety and hygiene is best - no need for licensing, no need for Government control.
When it comes to sales, I repeat - quality controls, licensing, consumer protection, tax on profits - of course. I stick by my point though that any value added tax or duty would push up the process.
Aint it just the truth
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5:26pm Thu 25 Oct 12
"For sure there's a lot of rubbish weed out there, grown mostly by people to sell it. What is available on the street does not reflect the quality that people grown for themselves and never gets to the street.
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Total absurd nonsense, it is just as hard if not harder to produce high quality cannabis as it is to produce high quality fruit and vegetables. How many peoples home grown fruit and veg is of the same or better quality than shop bought? The correct answer is not much and the same is true of cannabis, I repeat (just for your benefit) a lot of home grown grass is rubbish whether for street or home use and that is a FACT.
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"Just like alcohol, if cannabis is produced at home for no use other than own, there is no need for consumer protection or even quality control - just accurate advice on safety and hygiene is best - no need for licensing, no need for Government control".
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Oh changed your mind now have we? So now you agree that there is no need for licencing home growers?
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Your last paragraph is more total nonsense, the same is true of tomatoes or don't our market gardeners bother with quality controls and profits etc? Silly boy.
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The fact remains that it would cost about the same to produce high quality grass as it does to produce high quality fruit and veg but no fruit and veg sells for £400 per kilo so producing legal commercial cannabis has a massive potential for high profits and even higher taxes. Got that?
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No doubt you will come back and argue the toss as you are clearly the sort of person who is determined to be right regardless of the facts, except you are not right, commercial cannabis growing could give a massive boost to the countrys economy whether you like it or not and home growing will continue to be on a par with home brewing, risky and often not good quality and that is a real fact for you. End of.
Violent Vomit
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5:46pm Thu 25 Oct 12
Me...I'm not so nice.
I know people ready to kill for their freedom, and I support them.
asbo industries inc
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6:41pm Thu 25 Oct 12
Violent Vomit wrote:violent stoners. well who'd have thought it?
AB3 is right.
Me...I'm not so nice.
I know people ready to kill for their freedom, and I support them.
Aint it just the truth
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7:06pm Thu 25 Oct 12
Violent Vomit wrote:Then you are another muppet.
AB3 is right. Me...I'm not so nice. I know people ready to kill for their freedom, and I support them.
Lastlaugh...
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9:57pm Thu 25 Oct 12
Aint it just the truth wrote:Anyone reading this might be of the mind you are grown your own stuff!
AB3
"For sure there's a lot of rubbish weed out there, grown mostly by people to sell it. What is available on the street does not reflect the quality that people grown for themselves and never gets to the street.
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Total absurd nonsense, it is just as hard if not harder to produce high quality cannabis as it is to produce high quality fruit and vegetables. How many peoples home grown fruit and veg is of the same or better quality than shop bought? The correct answer is not much and the same is true of cannabis, I repeat (just for your benefit) a lot of home grown grass is rubbish whether for street or home use and that is a FACT.
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"Just like alcohol, if cannabis is produced at home for no use other than own, there is no need for consumer protection or even quality control - just accurate advice on safety and hygiene is best - no need for licensing, no need for Government control".
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Oh changed your mind now have we? So now you agree that there is no need for licencing home growers?
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Your last paragraph is more total nonsense, the same is true of tomatoes or don't our market gardeners bother with quality controls and profits etc? Silly boy.
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The fact remains that it would cost about the same to produce high quality grass as it does to produce high quality fruit and veg but no fruit and veg sells for £400 per kilo so producing legal commercial cannabis has a massive potential for high profits and even higher taxes. Got that?
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No doubt you will come back and argue the toss as you are clearly the sort of person who is determined to be right regardless of the facts, except you are not right, commercial cannabis growing could give a massive boost to the countrys economy whether you like it or not and home growing will continue to be on a par with home brewing, risky and often not good quality and that is a real fact for you. End of.
Of course your not, you havent been off your nut since the 60s..
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9:59pm Thu 25 Oct 12
Aint it just the truth wrote:" If being offensive and telling bald faced lies is what rocks your boat "
asbo industries inc wrote:If being offensive and telling bald faced lies is what rocks your boat then we should feel sorry for you, the world must have been very unkind to you.
when the bots are deactivated you step in to fill their boots truthy. 'couple of months ago you were telling all and sundry what a disastrous tomato crop you'd had this year. asbo pharma nurseries ltd had a stellar tomato crop in 2012 btw but happy that the price of weed is not going to be brought down by your amateur efforts....lol
You must suffer mal de mer to the point of carrying a bucket with you
Lastlaugh...
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10:05pm Thu 25 Oct 12
asbo industries inc wrote:LOL...now if you could just invent a pill that deals with temporary high blood pressure, foaming at the mouth and outraged righteousness!
btw asbo laboratories is currently working on a cannabis blight fungus to skew prices a bit higher. your pain is my gain truthy
Violent Vomit
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12:01am Fri 26 Oct 12
I can take sacrifices for the greater good but health promotion is no place for force.
Jack Herer
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11:22am Fri 26 Oct 12
Aint it just the truth wrote:Well said that man.
AB3
"For sure there's a lot of rubbish weed out there, grown mostly by people to sell it. What is available on the street does not reflect the quality that people grown for themselves and never gets to the street.
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Total absurd nonsense, it is just as hard if not harder to produce high quality cannabis as it is to produce high quality fruit and vegetables. How many peoples home grown fruit and veg is of the same or better quality than shop bought? The correct answer is not much and the same is true of cannabis, I repeat (just for your benefit) a lot of home grown grass is rubbish whether for street or home use and that is a FACT.
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"Just like alcohol, if cannabis is produced at home for no use other than own, there is no need for consumer protection or even quality control - just accurate advice on safety and hygiene is best - no need for licensing, no need for Government control".
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Oh changed your mind now have we? So now you agree that there is no need for licencing home growers?
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Your last paragraph is more total nonsense, the same is true of tomatoes or don't our market gardeners bother with quality controls and profits etc? Silly boy.
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The fact remains that it would cost about the same to produce high quality grass as it does to produce high quality fruit and veg but no fruit and veg sells for £400 per kilo so producing legal commercial cannabis has a massive potential for high profits and even higher taxes. Got that?
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No doubt you will come back and argue the toss as you are clearly the sort of person who is determined to be right regardless of the facts, except you are not right, commercial cannabis growing could give a massive boost to the countrys economy whether you like it or not and home growing will continue to be on a par with home brewing, risky and often not good quality and that is a real fact for you. End of.
Diannah
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11:33am Fri 26 Oct 12
What about the cocaine? Is that for when the softer drugs stop working?
Jack Herer
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11:33am Fri 26 Oct 12
AB3 wrote:So you are saying that the majority of cannabis users DON'T want to see cannabis taxed and regulated like alcohol?
Peter Reynolds and his party policy are not representative of the majority of people that use cannabis - he wants to force people to buy licenses for what is a basic Human Right - the Right to a Private Life, and that means doing whatever they want, including growing cannabis for their own use. Provided they do no harm and pose no risk to public health, public order, national security, growers should be left alone. (Commercial growers should of course be licensed to enable consumer protection, quality control, hygiene and tax on profits.
Reynolds also advocates adding duty to the price of cannabis sold to adults through legalised outlets, producing figures out of thin air to show just the revenue that would be paid by cannabis users - the users he now describes as "crazy stoners". Of course a purchase tax of 200% is more likely than the 10 or 20 per cent he suggests. Add that tax to license fees etc, and the price of cannabis through such shops will increase drastically, enabling illegal growers and street dealers to make even more money.
Reynolds' claims he represents the interests of UK cannabis users - he does not - he certainly does not represent me - he represents the taxman!
Neither do Reynold's views on immigrants, on Jews, on Arabs or on gays, represent my interests.
The law ought to be based upon harm to others and if there is no victims then there should be no crime
How many cannabis users have you actually spoken to; just the three? Alternatively what planet are you on?
The vast majority of cannabis users want to see cannabis taxed and regulated like alcohol. That's so obvious it crazy even debating it.
Besides; alcohol companies would go to the high court if cannabis wasn't charged duty like alcohol or cigarettes. Or has that reality not entered the wonderful bubble you live in?
You can't give up with that smear campaign either I see. What is it like still living a hate filled, bitter existence after all this time? It can't be good.
Jack Herer
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11:53am Fri 26 Oct 12
Violent Vomit wrote:You know people ready to kill for their freedom? And what's their "freedom"? Are they risking their lives on the front line in Aleppo, dodging government snipers and shells so their people can live in freedom? They're not are they.
AB3 is right.
Me...I'm not so nice.
I know people ready to kill for their freedom, and I support them.
What "freedom" are the people you know ready to kill for? It's not something to do with cannabis surely. That would be laughable beyond compare. Kill? For their freedom of "cannabis"?
It begs the obvious question; how old are you? 14?
Let me guess though citizen Smith; for the minute these trigger happy freedom fighters are content to sit at home all day on the internet until their mum shouts them for their tea?
Nebs
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12:49pm Fri 26 Oct 12
Diannah wrote:An excellent observation, well made, short and to the point.
Only grown for personal use? SO WHY DO THEY HAVE TO STEAL THE ELECTRICITY?
What about the cocaine? Is that for when the softer drugs stop working?
perini says...
10:24am Tue 23 Oct 12