Two price hikes planned for Dartford Crossing

6:55pm Tuesday 22nd May 2012 in Basildon

DRIVERS are facing a double-whammy of price hikes at the Dartford Crossing and will pay a whopping £2.50 in less than two years.

Roads minister Mike Penning announced today that tolls would be put up by 50p in October for cars and light goods vehicles, and by £1.30 for HGVs.

Then in 2014, tolls will rocket to £2.50 for cars, £3 for light goods vehicles, and £6 for HGVs.

The rises are being brought in despite 82 per cent of people, who responded to a Government consultation, disagreeing with any increase in tolls.

Mr Penning said the hikes were needed to tackle congestion on the crossing.

FULL STORY IN WEDNESDAY'S ECHO

Comments (37)

7:11pm Tue 22 May 12

Marcus P says...

I had to laugh ..."Mr Penning said the hikes were needed to tackle congestion on the crossing." yet since the 50% increase from £1.00 to £2.50 congestion is worse than ever at peak times. The way is end congestion is to end the tolls Mr Penning. I would prefer it if this bloke had the honesty to say "we are putting it up to screw as much money from the mug public as we can" The tunnel is simply a cash cow that must be milked for as much as possible in the eyes of many politicians.
I had to laugh ..."Mr Penning said the hikes were needed to tackle congestion on the crossing." yet since the 50% increase from £1.00 to £2.50 congestion is worse than ever at peak times. The way is end congestion is to end the tolls Mr Penning. I would prefer it if this bloke had the honesty to say "we are putting it up to screw as much money from the mug public as we can" The tunnel is simply a cash cow that must be milked for as much as possible in the eyes of many politicians. Marcus P

7:12pm Tue 22 May 12

Marcus P says...

oops..... I meant £1.00 to £1.50
oops..... I meant £1.00 to £1.50 Marcus P

7:58pm Tue 22 May 12

al coniston says...

It would be interesting to hear from Mr Penning exactly HOW increasing the toll will combat congestion !! The bridge is a necessity (unless people want to drive 117 miles around the M25) and basically, the government has got car users by the danglies - what's to stop them from putting it up to 5 quid or a tenner ? The sky is the limit until such time there is a viable alternative which is not going to be anytime soon.
It would be interesting to hear from Mr Penning exactly HOW increasing the toll will combat congestion !! The bridge is a necessity (unless people want to drive 117 miles around the M25) and basically, the government has got car users by the danglies - what's to stop them from putting it up to 5 quid or a tenner ? The sky is the limit until such time there is a viable alternative which is not going to be anytime soon. al coniston

7:58pm Tue 22 May 12

JH_123 says...

Not sure how this will help ease congestion...

It's simple - if people need to cross the river, they need to cross the river. Short of travelling further into London there's no way round it. Just like petrol prices, the government can hold you to ransom because in reality you have little choice but to pay it!
Not sure how this will help ease congestion... It's simple - if people need to cross the river, they need to cross the river. Short of travelling further into London there's no way round it. Just like petrol prices, the government can hold you to ransom because in reality you have little choice but to pay it! JH_123

8:26pm Tue 22 May 12

Barry Bas says...

Isn't this run by a private company? If so probably more to do with profits that congestion.
Isn't this run by a private company? If so probably more to do with profits that congestion. Barry Bas

8:29pm Tue 22 May 12

Barry Bas says...

I mean more to do with profits "than" congestion not "that"
I mean more to do with profits "than" congestion not "that" Barry Bas

8:37pm Tue 22 May 12

stonybrig says...

As a rule us brits dont mind the odd queue, but having to pay twice a day for the pleasure is real kick in nuts,, just add more £s to running your car and to the misery of the essex motorist its not fair trade is it !!!!!!
As a rule us brits dont mind the odd queue, but having to pay twice a day for the pleasure is real kick in nuts,, just add more £s to running your car and to the misery of the essex motorist its not fair trade is it !!!!!! stonybrig

8:47pm Tue 22 May 12

joeski97 says...

the goverment in this country make me sick, one day all this greedyness is gonna come back to bite them :)
the goverment in this country make me sick, one day all this greedyness is gonna come back to bite them :) joeski97

8:48pm Tue 22 May 12

SaveOurStanford says...

This i why i dont bother trying to get work over the bridge ! Who in there right mind wants to sit in traffic as far back as grays to burn fuel at £1.40pl Premature wear n tear and then hand over an £5 in tolls?
Its been a joke i was supposed to be paid off in 1999 @80p each way. Say goodbye to any tourism to kent :)
This i why i dont bother trying to get work over the bridge ! Who in there right mind wants to sit in traffic as far back as grays to burn fuel at £1.40pl Premature wear n tear and then hand over an £5 in tolls? Its been a joke i was supposed to be paid off in 1999 @80p each way. Say goodbye to any tourism to kent :) SaveOurStanford

8:52pm Tue 22 May 12

girlie71 says...

so on average there are 140.000 vehicles using the bridge alone since 2002 so even at £1 this is £140k per day ... so at £2.50 this is £350k per day .. Congestion at the Dartford Crossing is caused by the toll collection system, not alleviated by it. Congestion has tangibly increased since the new tolls were increased as more users need to wait for change. Everyone locally knows that no tolls would mean minimal congestion, not just on the approach, but the surrounding area.
so on average there are 140.000 vehicles using the bridge alone since 2002 so even at £1 this is £140k per day ... so at £2.50 this is £350k per day .. Congestion at the Dartford Crossing is caused by the toll collection system, not alleviated by it. Congestion has tangibly increased since the new tolls were increased as more users need to wait for change. Everyone locally knows that no tolls would mean minimal congestion, not just on the approach, but the surrounding area. girlie71

9:12pm Tue 22 May 12

bazaarhorse says...

Mr Penning must think the public are as stupid as him.
Mr Penning must think the public are as stupid as him. bazaarhorse

9:15pm Tue 22 May 12

Algus says...

Moaning on here won't help, have a go at your MP!
Moaning on here won't help, have a go at your MP! Algus

9:32pm Tue 22 May 12

Mick P says...

140000pounds a day you are forgetting the toll vans and trucks pay and busy periods there are upto 180000 veh movements a day that's up to 500,000 before any increase !
140000pounds a day you are forgetting the toll vans and trucks pay and busy periods there are upto 180000 veh movements a day that's up to 500,000 before any increase ! Mick P

9:33pm Tue 22 May 12

jolllyboy says...

Is this bridge british owned ? or is this another cash cow for outside the country like the utilities and transport etc etc
Is this bridge british owned ? or is this another cash cow for outside the country like the utilities and transport etc etc jolllyboy

9:56pm Tue 22 May 12

ableme says...

jackie.doyleprice.mp
@parliament.uk
jackie.doyleprice.mp @parliament.uk ableme

11:40pm Tue 22 May 12

EthanEdwards says...

Barry Bas wrote:
Isn't this run by a private company? If so probably more to do with profits that congestion.
Yes your quite right it was handed over on a plate in 2009 to a company called 'Le Crossing' by the last Labour Government ....the then Transport Minister Lord Adonis.

This bunch of spivs (sorry consortium of construction companies) have the crossing money' theft from the motorist' rights for I believe twenty five years. So only 22 more years to go eh?
A nice little earner, methinks some brown envelopes may have been involved back in 2009. So, how about it Gordon McDoom did you get to dip your beak?
In any event it ensures that despite what any politician today may claim to be able to do, that in reality NONE of them short of some kind of revolution, can do anything at all.
You have all been taken for suckers by Labour politicians in 2009.
I agree that the tolls far from preventing congestion etc are the MAIN CAUSE of the congestion. Yet again politicians lies are an insult to the intelligence. Lib/Lab/Con you voted for these liars, this is what you get.
[quote][p][bold]Barry Bas[/bold] wrote: Isn't this run by a private company? If so probably more to do with profits that congestion.[/p][/quote]Yes your quite right it was handed over on a plate in 2009 to a company called 'Le Crossing' by the last Labour Government ....the then Transport Minister Lord Adonis. This bunch of spivs (sorry consortium of construction companies) have the crossing money' theft from the motorist' rights for I believe twenty five years. So only 22 more years to go eh? A nice little earner, methinks some brown envelopes may have been involved back in 2009. So, how about it Gordon McDoom did you get to dip your beak? In any event it ensures that despite what any politician today may claim to be able to do, that in reality NONE of them short of some kind of revolution, can do anything at all. You have all been taken for suckers by Labour politicians in 2009. I agree that the tolls far from preventing congestion etc are the MAIN CAUSE of the congestion. Yet again politicians lies are an insult to the intelligence. Lib/Lab/Con you voted for these liars, this is what you get. EthanEdwards

7:21am Wed 23 May 12

notinwestcliffanymore says...

penning is right it has cut my need to go across the river, i will now fly from southend as opposed to gatwick and shop at lakeside instead of bluewater... and if i need to go to dartford i will drive the wrong way round the M25 at 30 miles an hour just to cause congestion, ha who's laughing now penning you twonk
penning is right it has cut my need to go across the river, i will now fly from southend as opposed to gatwick and shop at lakeside instead of bluewater... and if i need to go to dartford i will drive the wrong way round the M25 at 30 miles an hour just to cause congestion, ha who's laughing now penning you twonk notinwestcliffanymore

7:21am Wed 23 May 12

Nebs says...

If this bridge was in France they would be burning sheep on it right now.
If this bridge was in France they would be burning sheep on it right now. Nebs

7:44am Wed 23 May 12

shallotman says...

We could of course one day, all refuse to pay !
We could of course one day, all refuse to pay ! shallotman

7:45am Wed 23 May 12

shallotman says...

We could of course one day, all refuse to pay ! and just sit there. Within an hour the M25 will be gridlocked.
We could of course one day, all refuse to pay ! and just sit there. Within an hour the M25 will be gridlocked. shallotman

7:46am Wed 23 May 12

shallotman says...

We could of course one day, all refuse to pay ! and just sit there. Within an hour the M25 would be gridlocked.
We could of course one day, all refuse to pay ! and just sit there. Within an hour the M25 would be gridlocked. shallotman

7:46am Wed 23 May 12

shallotman says...

We could of course one day, all refuse to pay ! and just sit there. Within an hour the M25 would be gridlocked.
We could of course one day, all refuse to pay ! and just sit there. Within an hour the M25 would be gridlocked. shallotman

7:48am Wed 23 May 12

shallotman says...

We could of course one day, all refuse to pay ! and just sit there. Within an hour the M25 would be gridlocked.
We could of course one day, all refuse to pay ! and just sit there. Within an hour the M25 would be gridlocked. shallotman

7:48am Wed 23 May 12

shallotman says...

We could of course one day, all refuse to pay ! and just sit there. Within an hour the M25 would be gridlocked.
We could of course one day, all refuse to pay ! and just sit there. Within an hour the M25 would be gridlocked. shallotman

9:06am Wed 23 May 12

shallotman says...

Oops sorry for the repeats, ruddy computer.
Oops sorry for the repeats, ruddy computer. shallotman

9:21am Wed 23 May 12

GeneralGrb says...

Nebs wrote:
If this bridge was in France they would be burning sheep on it right now.
Toll roads are all over France and certainly not cheap either.
This may now be run by a private company, but 20% of the money is VAT and then there is corporation tax, PAYE and NI from the staff etc etc, so the government make a tidy sum out of any toll rise.
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: If this bridge was in France they would be burning sheep on it right now.[/p][/quote]Toll roads are all over France and certainly not cheap either. This may now be run by a private company, but 20% of the money is VAT and then there is corporation tax, PAYE and NI from the staff etc etc, so the government make a tidy sum out of any toll rise. GeneralGrb

10:03am Wed 23 May 12

Thecountrysgonetopot! says...

notinwestcliffanymor
e wrote:
penning is right it has cut my need to go across the river, i will now fly from southend as opposed to gatwick and shop at lakeside instead of bluewater... and if i need to go to dartford i will drive the wrong way round the M25 at 30 miles an hour just to cause congestion, ha who's laughing now penning you twonk
Ha this made me chuckle so much. You are so very right, i am the same. In fact i have just booked flights to Ireland from Southend as i hate the M25 so much....plus its local!
[quote][p][bold]notinwestcliffanymor e[/bold] wrote: penning is right it has cut my need to go across the river, i will now fly from southend as opposed to gatwick and shop at lakeside instead of bluewater... and if i need to go to dartford i will drive the wrong way round the M25 at 30 miles an hour just to cause congestion, ha who's laughing now penning you twonk[/p][/quote]Ha this made me chuckle so much. You are so very right, i am the same. In fact i have just booked flights to Ireland from Southend as i hate the M25 so much....plus its local! Thecountrysgonetopot!

10:08am Wed 23 May 12

notinwestcliffanymore says...

GeneralGrb wrote:
Nebs wrote: If this bridge was in France they would be burning sheep on it right now.
Toll roads are all over France and certainly not cheap either. This may now be run by a private company, but 20% of the money is VAT and then there is corporation tax, PAYE and NI from the staff etc etc, so the government make a tidy sum out of any toll rise.
But what you get when you pay in france or spain are congestion free and generally roadwork free, well kept roads. Not 25 min to 1 1/2 queues
[quote][p][bold]GeneralGrb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: If this bridge was in France they would be burning sheep on it right now.[/p][/quote]Toll roads are all over France and certainly not cheap either. This may now be run by a private company, but 20% of the money is VAT and then there is corporation tax, PAYE and NI from the staff etc etc, so the government make a tidy sum out of any toll rise.[/p][/quote]But what you get when you pay in france or spain are congestion free and generally roadwork free, well kept roads. Not 25 min to 1 1/2 queues notinwestcliffanymore

11:13am Wed 23 May 12

cathyw says...

what was it they said.?? when the bridge was paid for (out of the toll fees) it would be free. pretty sure that is what they said.
what u wan to do is everyone who can go by motorbike,(free) or not use the bridge, hit them where it hurts most.in the wallet.
what was it they said.?? when the bridge was paid for (out of the toll fees) it would be free. pretty sure that is what they said. what u wan to do is everyone who can go by motorbike,(free) or not use the bridge, hit them where it hurts most.in the wallet. cathyw

11:29am Wed 23 May 12

Thurrock bus man says...

Something important to note here is the M6 Toll Road. It costs more than the Dartford Crossing and as its so expensive, it has been reported recently that its being used by fewer and fewer motorists. The difference with the Dartford Crossing is motorists do not have a choice if they want to cross the river in this area. The government know they have everyone over a barrel. As for tackling congestion, surely removal of the tolls will sort that problem out?. I think what we need here is a day of action where motorists, hauliers, etc unite and show the government what they can do.
Something important to note here is the M6 Toll Road. It costs more than the Dartford Crossing and as its so expensive, it has been reported recently that its being used by fewer and fewer motorists. The difference with the Dartford Crossing is motorists do not have a choice if they want to cross the river in this area. The government know they have everyone over a barrel. As for tackling congestion, surely removal of the tolls will sort that problem out?. I think what we need here is a day of action where motorists, hauliers, etc unite and show the government what they can do. Thurrock bus man

12:39pm Wed 23 May 12

laindonangler says...

I can some it up it two words – Cash Cow but I cannot leave it there:-

Viewing the comments here they are commensurate with the response the DOT got to their Consultation exercise which ran last year and took 7 months to report – 42 pages of waffle which basically said 'Up Yours' we are doing what we want to do: If you want to see a good example on how to waste tax payers money on nothing have a read of it here:-

http://www.dft.gov.u
k/consultations/dft-
2011-08


This combined with the intransigence on Fuel Duty its no wonder the UK population has lost faith with any Government of any political party make up, which aptly demonstrated that only 1356 people responded of which 6 were MP's and those 6 Disagreed with the Proposals and my guess is that they were the local MP’s which to their credit have spoken out against these changes. But they have no teeth. I’ve written to mine (John Baron) I am waiting his response.

There are some good suggestions in the consultation even a couple of my own, which doubtless others voice as well, (yes I was one of the 1356 who bother to respond) so at least we can take some solace in that that did read and record them - Shame they don't seem fit to at least try some of them out.

I have a saying " he who has no data only expresses an opinion" and my own thoughts / ideas are indeed that - Opinions.

Example: Remove the barriers (leave them up for a week) in a known busy period to monitor congestion versus the same period the year before. On the surface sounds easy, but there will still be a restriction causing reduced flow – the Toll Plaza but would give a good indicator. Hang on a minute I have probably now given this more thought that the DOT. But of course I keep forgetting it’s a Cash Cow silly me.

So they say they need the increased Tolls to fund improvements and a new crossing to ease congestion. What has happened to the what I estimate to be around £½ Billon revenue gone since the Bridge was bought & paid for ? (I have taken out the running costs for the French Bloodsuckers running on behalf of the whichever Gov’t Quango is currently in ‘charge’ of the crossing in this estimation). At that is a very conservative estimate based on 50 million vehicles a year paying and average £1.25 over a ten year period. The 50 Million is was the DOT says.

Obviously not for what it is intended – your guess will probably be better then mine.

Rant Over
I can some it up it two words – Cash Cow but I cannot leave it there:- Viewing the comments here they are commensurate with the response the DOT got to their Consultation exercise which ran last year and took 7 months to report – 42 pages of waffle which basically said 'Up Yours' we are doing what we want to do: If you want to see a good example on how to waste tax payers money on nothing have a read of it here:- http://www.dft.gov.u k/consultations/dft- 2011-08 This combined with the intransigence on Fuel Duty its no wonder the UK population has lost faith with any Government of any political party make up, which aptly demonstrated that only 1356 people responded of which 6 were MP's and those 6 Disagreed with the Proposals and my guess is that they were the local MP’s which to their credit have spoken out against these changes. But they have no teeth. I’ve written to mine (John Baron) I am waiting his response. There are some good suggestions in the consultation even a couple of my own, which doubtless others voice as well, (yes I was one of the 1356 who bother to respond) so at least we can take some solace in that that did read and record them - Shame they don't seem fit to at least try some of them out. I have a saying " he who has no data only expresses an opinion" and my own thoughts / ideas are indeed that - Opinions. Example: Remove the barriers (leave them up for a week) in a known busy period to monitor congestion versus the same period the year before. On the surface sounds easy, but there will still be a restriction causing reduced flow – the Toll Plaza but would give a good indicator. Hang on a minute I have probably now given this more thought that the DOT. But of course I keep forgetting it’s a Cash Cow silly me. So they say they need the increased Tolls to fund improvements and a new crossing to ease congestion. What has happened to the what I estimate to be around £½ Billon revenue gone since the Bridge was bought & paid for ? (I have taken out the running costs for the French Bloodsuckers running on behalf of the whichever Gov’t Quango is currently in ‘charge’ of the crossing in this estimation). At that is a very conservative estimate based on 50 million vehicles a year paying and average £1.25 over a ten year period. The 50 Million is was the DOT says. Obviously not for what it is intended – your guess will probably be better then mine. Rant Over laindonangler

12:46pm Wed 23 May 12

laindonangler says...

Per my earlier post - this will take you directly to the Consultation Report http://assets.dft.go
v.uk/consultations/d
ft-2011-08/dft-2011-
08-consultation-resp
onse.pdf

So you don't have to faff about amongst the other dribble to find it
Per my earlier post - this will take you directly to the Consultation Report http://assets.dft.go v.uk/consultations/d ft-2011-08/dft-2011- 08-consultation-resp onse.pdf So you don't have to faff about amongst the other dribble to find it laindonangler

1:50pm Wed 23 May 12

jinksbella says...

Scandalous isn't it the way they lie to us. They told us once it had been paid for it would then be free. Congestion will not change as people cross the river for a reason - work, family, holidays etc. This is just taking advantage of car drivers like they always do. I would advise anyone who lives in Thurrock or Dartford to apply for the residents scheme as you only have to do a few journeys a year to get your money back. And if you travel across on a regular basis it will be alot cheaper.
Scandalous isn't it the way they lie to us. They told us once it had been paid for it would then be free. Congestion will not change as people cross the river for a reason - work, family, holidays etc. This is just taking advantage of car drivers like they always do. I would advise anyone who lives in Thurrock or Dartford to apply for the residents scheme as you only have to do a few journeys a year to get your money back. And if you travel across on a regular basis it will be alot cheaper. jinksbella

2:10pm Wed 23 May 12

newnanny says...

When the automatic charging comes in the only ones to benefit (other than the government of course) will be those with motor bikes and drivers with foreign number plates as happens with the congestion charge. The resultant drop in income will no doubt mean further increases for the rest of us!! I think I'll start looking for a motor bike or a cheap boat!
When the automatic charging comes in the only ones to benefit (other than the government of course) will be those with motor bikes and drivers with foreign number plates as happens with the congestion charge. The resultant drop in income will no doubt mean further increases for the rest of us!! I think I'll start looking for a motor bike or a cheap boat! newnanny

2:36pm Wed 23 May 12

angrytaxpayer99 says...

My email to Mike Penning:
Mike,

Please can you explain and justify your recent decision to increase the toll prices at the dartford crossing by over 66% by 2014. I have noted your comment that rises are needed to tackle congestion at the crossing, well let me explain something to you Mike, all the time there are toll booths at the crossing you will have congestion! As there are only a few alternatives to cross the river, you are undoubtedly aware like myself that drivers have no option other than to pay whatever figure you thieves decide upon. How can you expect people that commute over the crossing to work daily, to pay £5 per day, £25 per week, and £100 per month just to cross a bridge! This being on top of the scandalous amount of tax you take from us drivers, in car tax and every time we put fuel in our car. This tax being taken from our wages that you have already got you grubby mitts into and taken a chunk. I read that you politicians want to get more in touch with people, those that want to work and provide for their families. Well let me tell you mike, quite a lot of us are struggling at present, and taking another £40 a month isn't going to help at all. Maybe I should turn my heating off in the winter to pay for it? Do you have any other suggestions? Of course you living nowhere near the tunnel, and having your travel expenses reimbursed no doubt, I guess your not impacted hence don't realise what impact it will have on us struggling to survive. You will be losing my vote come the next election and I am sure many others. I'd be more than happy to teach you politicians a lesson in how to stay in touch with us working class, only problem is my classroom is in gravesend so not sure you will want to pay the tolls when you cross dartford bridge! However should you like to attend if you come over prior to 2014 remember you will be saving yourself 66%!
My email to Mike Penning: Mike, Please can you explain and justify your recent decision to increase the toll prices at the dartford crossing by over 66% by 2014. I have noted your comment that rises are needed to tackle congestion at the crossing, well let me explain something to you Mike, all the time there are toll booths at the crossing you will have congestion! As there are only a few alternatives to cross the river, you are undoubtedly aware like myself that drivers have no option other than to pay whatever figure you thieves decide upon. How can you expect people that commute over the crossing to work daily, to pay £5 per day, £25 per week, and £100 per month just to cross a bridge! This being on top of the scandalous amount of tax you take from us drivers, in car tax and every time we put fuel in our car. This tax being taken from our wages that you have already got you grubby mitts into and taken a chunk. I read that you politicians want to get more in touch with people, those that want to work and provide for their families. Well let me tell you mike, quite a lot of us are struggling at present, and taking another £40 a month isn't going to help at all. Maybe I should turn my heating off in the winter to pay for it? Do you have any other suggestions? Of course you living nowhere near the tunnel, and having your travel expenses reimbursed no doubt, I guess your not impacted hence don't realise what impact it will have on us struggling to survive. You will be losing my vote come the next election and I am sure many others. I'd be more than happy to teach you politicians a lesson in how to stay in touch with us working class, only problem is my classroom is in gravesend so not sure you will want to pay the tolls when you cross dartford bridge! However should you like to attend if you come over prior to 2014 remember you will be saving yourself 66%! angrytaxpayer99

4:22pm Wed 23 May 12

Nebs says...

Thurrock bus man wrote:
Something important to note here is the M6 Toll Road. It costs more than the Dartford Crossing and as its so expensive, it has been reported recently that its being used by fewer and fewer motorists. The difference with the Dartford Crossing is motorists do not have a choice if they want to cross the river in this area. The government know they have everyone over a barrel. As for tackling congestion, surely removal of the tolls will sort that problem out?. I think what we need here is a day of action where motorists, hauliers, etc unite and show the government what they can do.
A day of action is a good idea. How about blocking the road to the PM's house, the M40 to Oxford, and not let people through until they donate £2.50 to charity.
[quote][p][bold]Thurrock bus man[/bold] wrote: Something important to note here is the M6 Toll Road. It costs more than the Dartford Crossing and as its so expensive, it has been reported recently that its being used by fewer and fewer motorists. The difference with the Dartford Crossing is motorists do not have a choice if they want to cross the river in this area. The government know they have everyone over a barrel. As for tackling congestion, surely removal of the tolls will sort that problem out?. I think what we need here is a day of action where motorists, hauliers, etc unite and show the government what they can do.[/p][/quote]A day of action is a good idea. How about blocking the road to the PM's house, the M40 to Oxford, and not let people through until they donate £2.50 to charity. Nebs

5:44pm Wed 23 May 12

The Cater Wood Creeper says...

A nice little earner, methinks some brown envelopes may have been involved back in 2009. So, how about it Gordon McDoom did you get to dip your beak?


he turned a blind eye to it.....
[quote]A nice little earner, methinks some brown envelopes may have been involved back in 2009. So, how about it Gordon McDoom did you get to dip your beak?[/quote] he turned a blind eye to it..... The Cater Wood Creeper

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