Hundreds of boy racers keep Canvey residents awake half the night (From Echo)

Sean4u wrote:
That was me 30 years ago, thrashing my mates' parents' cars up and down Northwick Road before I had a driving licence. Islanders choose to live in a cheap trailer park with commuting access to London. Teenagers are going to continue to do what teenagers do when older generations demonstrate attitudes so aspirational.

hesmrknowitall wrote:
So to summarise, these 'Devils' were reving their engines and wheelspinning!! Clearly if this doesn't warrant bringing back hanging then what does?

By the way councillor, if you can physically count something then the term is 'the number' not 'the amount'. I guess that shows the level of education of our elected representives!

mark-986 wrote:
sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

mark-986 wrote:
sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

howironic wrote:

mark-986 wrote:
sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

Indeed they do have the right to use the road whenever they choose, and rightfully so, they do not however have the right to excessively break the speed limit whenever they choose, and there is also the anti-social behaviour act 2003 which covers night time noise such as this. I believe this was also used on Southend seafront a few years for residents at the top of the cliffs due to stereos and exhausts.

hesmrknowitall wrote:

howironic wrote:

mark-986 wrote:
sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

Indeed they do have the right to use the road whenever they choose, and rightfully so, they do not however have the right to excessively break the speed limit whenever they choose, and there is also the anti-social behaviour act 2003 which covers night time noise such as this. I believe this was also used on Southend seafront a few years for residents at the top of the cliffs due to stereos and exhausts.

How can something be 'anti social' if there are hundreds of people there - seems the exact opposite to me :)

nicknows wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.

A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.

Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

upset wrote:

nicknows wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.

A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.

Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

upset wrote:

nicknows wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.

A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.

Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

upset wrote:

nicknows wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.

A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.

Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

nicknows wrote:
This would seem to cover the problem well and truely

The Police Reform Act 2002 (c.30) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom.
Section 59 of the Act is a common tool now used by police officers and police community support officers to seize vehicles being used in an anti-social manner. Vehicles can be seized if the police officer/PCSO reasonably believes that a mechanically propelled vehicle is being used in a manner:
• causing, or likely to cause alarm, distress or annoyance to the public,
• and:
o contravening section 3 (careless/inconsider

ate driving), or
o contravening section 34 (prohibition of off-road driving/driving other than a road) of the Road Traffic Act 1988.
Vehicles should be issued with a warning first, unless this is impracticable. An example of it being impractical would be the offenders leaving the vehicle/making off or the vehicle being unregistered and unable to be traced - therefore a warning unable to be placed. If an officer also believes a warning has been given within the past 12 months, but not recorded on the Police National Computer, they can seize the vehicle immediately. Furthermore, if the officer believes the warning will disregarded or not heeded, they may seize the vehicle immediately.

iknowbetter wrote:

upset wrote:

nicknows wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.

A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.

Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset?
Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users.
Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

upset wrote:

iknowbetter wrote:

upset wrote:

nicknows wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.

A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.

Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset?
Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users.
Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.

rjsizzler wrote:
What many posters here fail to realise is young car enthusiasts normally maintain their vehicles extremely well (it's their hobby after all), they don't want to scratch their cars so are more likely to be driving with this in mind. The previous poster referred to their 'broken exhausts'; no, they aren't broken, they are noisy sports exhausts. Unnecessary on a Corsa? Probably, but perfectly legal and harmless.

Sure, some do drive fast and make noise but try to think of the last time you saw a customised car in an accident; far more likely to see a bad driver in a bog standard Ford Focus!

I'm sure I'd be annoyed if they made a noise near where I lived but I'm not sure what people think is illegal about groups of customised cars driving in a convoy or meeting in a closed supermarked car park. I guess they could be out spending their money on drugs rather than tinkering with their motors.

howironic wrote:

mark-986 wrote:
sorry but if they pay tax and insurance then they have a right to use the roads no matter what time it is. shame canvey are full of old people. it's like living in a morgue. canvey is all about old people nothing for the kids no more

Indeed they do have the right to use the road whenever they choose, and rightfully so, they do not however have the right to excessively break the speed limit whenever they choose, and there is also the anti-social behaviour act 2003 which covers night time noise such as this. I believe this was also used on Southend seafront a few years for residents at the top of the cliffs due to stereos and exhausts.

iknowbetter wrote:

upset wrote:

iknowbetter wrote:

upset wrote:

nicknows wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.

A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.

Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset?
Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users.
Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.

If you think I'm talking rubbish then prey tell me how many boy racers, "Devils" have you stopped to check their Car over? We can then establish if you are basing your statement, (assumption), on fact or fiction?
Come on armchair Warrior prey tell..

Haha love the echo's sensationalization. 'hundreds' implies more than 200.

iknowbetter wrote:

iknowbetter wrote:

upset wrote:

iknowbetter wrote:

upset wrote:

nicknows wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.

A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.

Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset?
Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users.
Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.

If you think I'm talking rubbish then prey tell me how many boy racers, "Devils" have you stopped to check their Car over? We can then establish if you are basing your statement, (assumption), on fact or fiction?
Come on armchair Warrior prey tell..

Upset you have gone quiet all of a sudden!!

upset wrote:

iknowbetter wrote:

iknowbetter wrote:

upset wrote:

iknowbetter wrote:

upset wrote:

nicknows wrote:
As most of the cars involved in last Saturday nights meet up were from off of ‘The Island’ they would have had to have used one of the two roads to gain access to the Morrison’s car park. Would it be that difficult for the police to have two vehicles parked up take car registration details and then checking that the cars had MOT’s road tax and insurance? All vehicles that did not have these three requirements to be on the road legally could then be pulled over as they left ‘The Island’ and issued with the paperwork to fine/confiscate etc. There would probably be other offences being committed as well. Illegal number plates, window tints, exhausts, no driving licence to name but a few. Also modifications to the cars which the insurance companies have not been informed of thus invalidating their insurance.

A couple of sessions doing this would soon put them off of going to that area and then the police could move their attention to the next meeting place etc. etc.

Does not totally solve the problem but at least they would be paying even more for their pleasure. Nice little earner me thinks.

No it would not be difficult they do it on a regular basis during the day.

Any idea how much it costs to put such an operation in place Upset?
Can you let the Police know when the next meet for these Devil drivers will take place next? I wouldnt want 10's of thousands of Tax payers cash wasted in the hope they have picked the right day when these Devil drivers turn up and in the hope that many are illegal drivers. The trouble is most of these so called Devil drivers have cars that are in better driving conditions then alot of so called normal road users.
Its all so easy isnt for the armchair warriors to tell the Police how it should be done..

Let police used Facebook etc to catch them, that's how the racer get the message round. If you really believe the better car rubbish you quote I give up.

If you think I'm talking rubbish then prey tell me how many boy racers, "Devils" have you stopped to check their Car over? We can then establish if you are basing your statement, (assumption), on fact or fiction?
Come on armchair Warrior prey tell..

Upset you have gone quiet all of a sudden!!

I have a life outside of here, you should try it.
My comments are based on what I think (see urban dictionary), right or wrong I stand by them.
The Echo ask for comments and that's what we all do.

howironic wrote:

Sean4u wrote:
That was me 30 years ago, thrashing my mates' parents' cars up and down Northwick Road before I had a driving licence. Islanders choose to live in a cheap trailer park with commuting access to London. Teenagers are going to continue to do what teenagers do when older generations demonstrate attitudes so aspirational.

And there is the root of the problem, drving on a road unsupervised without a licence is acceptable is it?

I phoned 101 with detailed information on 5th January and I was told a PC would contact me the next day, I'm still waiting.

iknowbetter wrote:
So Upset we should all assume then after reading your last comment that what you have to say and have said is pure fiction...

upset wrote:

iknowbetter wrote:
So Upset we should all assume then after reading your last comment that what you have to say and have said is pure fiction...

No it is my belief that what you said was rubbish, you cant prove me to be wrong no more than I can prove you wrong, but I can express my view and it is not for you and others on here to try and belittle or bully people into curtailing from making comments.
Your name says it all, about your sell opinionated views, well get over the fact that I don't agree with you.

upset wrote:

iknowbetter wrote:
So Upset we should all assume then after reading your last comment that what you have to say and have said is pure fiction...

No it is my belief that what you said was rubbish, you cant prove me to be wrong no more than I can prove you wrong, but I can express my view and it is not for you and others on here to try and belittle or bully people into curtailing from making comments.
Your name says it all, about your sell opinionated views, well get over the fact that I don't agree with you.

Brunning999 wrote:
Reading all these comments confirms my belief that we have far to many 'Ned Kelly' admirers on Canvey than Law Loving folk!!

Sorry those that sow the wind reap the whirlwind and its coming soon to Canvey, with less Police Officers, deterrent sentences that are never given, prisons that are closing.

iknowbetter wrote:
Quote from Upset::
My comments are based on what I think (see urban dictionary), right or wrong I stand by them.
***
What was that you said about being "self Opinionated" , can I suggest you look up the term self opinionated.. :0)

iknowbetter wrote:
Quote from Upset:::
you are always right that's the difference.”
**
I know!!!

Biker95 wrote:
Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

John T Pharro wrote:

Biker95 wrote:
Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".

upset wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

Biker95 wrote:
Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".

Why do they have to do either?

upset wrote:

iknowbetter wrote: Quote from Upset::: you are always right that's the difference.” ** I know!!!

I bet you live on your own or your partner wishes you did!!

upset wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

Biker95 wrote:
Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".

Why do they have to do either?

upset wrote:
I'm commenting on this page about the Echo's story about being best paper in East.
No opportunity to comment on it, that's speaks volumes to me!!!

Sean4u wrote:

upset wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

Biker95 wrote:
Im sorry but would you rather these 'boy racers' were sitting' in a car park where there are hardly any residents around,or running round the streets vandalising anything and everything, and actually being anti social, at least if they're driving they aren't doing drugs or drinking !

They weren't "just sitting in a car park" were they? From all.accounts they were driving fast, doing hand brake skid turns, making a heck of a noise keeping residents awake to all hours of the night. Don't you call that "illegal and anti social".

Why do they have to do either?

Because there's nothing better to do. "The devil finds work for idle hands" should be at the front of everyone's minds as efficiency of production increases. Unless someone comes up with some occupational therapy for our increasing numbers of unproductive consumers, ever increasing hellraising and moaning are the future.

Sean4u wrote:
That's the list of "better things to do" in your comment box. Do you think they heard it? They see TV. They see their neighbours. They see reprehensible behaviour by our so-called 'leaders' (they must be leaders if they're being followed). They see the empty pursuit of belongings as a means of demonstrating success.

How many people do you think *they* interact with in their day to day lives who signal that the way to self-fulfilment is study, charity, art and sport? They live near Canvey Island. Of all the role models they experience in their environment, what proportion of them are studious, artistic, dedicated, selfless philanthropists?

Essex Medja wrote:
Sean4u says.. . Ever hear of a band called Dr Feelgood, they made something of themselves .

Sean4u wrote:
@JohnTPharro - my point is that some of us were there 30 years ago doing the same thing, so the answer to your question "are they good role models?" is obviously "no but they are visible peers / elders on whom younger people will model their own behaviour".

If "what they have seen" can't effect a young person's development, we wouldn't send them to school! I've done all right - I'm not very old but already consider my life to have been a good run. I've had some lucky breaks: joining Scouts and being a Venture Scout in an active and enthusiastic Unit meant I travelled around the UK extensively as a teenager.

The thing that completely changed my life was following a girlfriend who moved from Castle Point to the other end of the country when I was barely out of my teens. That relationship didn't last very long, but it was long enough to give me a taste for independence. Hardly a tale of personal initiative, is it?

I've met role models along the way, still do. These days some of them are younger than me! It's not just role models people need, it's the incentive to go out and encounter prospective role models. 'Going out' in some places is more conducive to positive encounters than it is in others. 'Going out' around Castle Point has increasingly meant 'get in the car' which I believe is an effective barrier to positive new experiences - regardless of whether it's a noise, exhaust and health nuisance.

Essex Medja wrote:
Sean4u says"... the underlying problem of apparent lack of alternative adventure"
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So what you are saying is that unless there is an advert on TV which points out the many hundreds of alternative and life enriching activities that exist but are not apparent to them these people will carry on regardless.
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As I am losing the will to live over this, just print out a list and nail it to their windscreens with a hammer!!!