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6:00pm Wednesday 1st February 2012 in Castle Point By Paul Offord
CALLS have been made for the council to use emergency powers to fence off a derelict jetty, which residents say is dangerous.
The jetty, in Holehaven Creek, Canvey, is almost as long as Southend Pier.
Fences which used to stop people climbing on the structure have been torn down.
Coastguards have repeatedly warned over the past year about groups of youths climbing on to the jetty, and there are concerns they could be seriously injured jumping or falling off.
Castle Point Council claimed two weeks ago it had no authority to replace the fencing, as the jetty is on private land.
The Echo has since checked the law and learned councils do have powers to make hazardous private property safe.
We pointed this out to council officers, who have now admitted it does have powers, but is simply not prepared to use them.
Instead, it says it is trying to convince the the jetty’s owner to make it safe, but has repeatedly refused to name the company responsible.
Joan Liddiard, chairman of Canvey Town Council, urged the council to take direct action.
She said: “The borough council has to do something, because it is dangerous.
If the company which owns it isn’t going to help, the local authority needs to either make it safe, or arrange for it to be taken down in the public interest.”
She says problems with young people climbing on the jetty are likely to increase in the coming months because the Roscommon Way extension road, which was opened before Christmas, allows vehicles get closer to the jetty than was possible before.
The structure was built in the Seventies by the oil company, Occidental, for a planned fuel storage terminal which was never developed.
It has stood derelict ever since.
The borough council has powers under the 1984 Building Act and the 1990 Environmental Protection Act to make the jetty safe.
Council chief executive David Marchant said: “Following informal discussions with local councillors, the council is taking a measured approach to deal with concerns about unauthorised access to the land and jetty.
“The council is approaching the landowners concerned to encourage them to take action to prevent unauthorised access to the jetty.”
Comments(34)
streetboy75
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6:10pm Wed 1 Feb 12
bigidiot
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6:57pm Wed 1 Feb 12
streetboy75 wrote:I think actually you will find it is made of metal, and stands on metal piles driven into the earth, as when occidental owned it I think the then security gaurds used to drive a small car down it as part of their security perimeter check round.
set fire to it its only wood, lol thats one way to not worry about it anymore
upset
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7:02pm Wed 1 Feb 12
Esmerelda
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7:55pm Wed 1 Feb 12
Southendracer
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8:18pm Wed 1 Feb 12
Southendracer
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8:21pm Wed 1 Feb 12
Esmerelda wrote:get your facts straight alot of adults go on this too not just the kids!
Mummies and Daddies need to make sure that their little darlings are nowhere near the jetty.
Problem solved!
Brunning999
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10:13pm Wed 1 Feb 12
APR
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10:14pm Wed 1 Feb 12
Southendracer wrote:Why ?, if they know it's dangerous.
Esmerelda wrote:get your facts straight alot of adults go on this too not just the kids!
Mummies and Daddies need to make sure that their little darlings are nowhere near the jetty.
Problem solved!
perini
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11:56pm Wed 1 Feb 12
Southendracer
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7:56am Thu 2 Feb 12
APR wrote:the jetty its itself is metal but once you are on top is concrete all the way to the end the only problem with it is the metal stairs are rusty and falling out.
Southendracer wrote:Why ?, if they know it's dangerous.
Esmerelda wrote:get your facts straight alot of adults go on this too not just the kids!
Mummies and Daddies need to make sure that their little darlings are nowhere near the jetty.
Problem solved!
upset
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8:44am Thu 2 Feb 12
Duck Egg
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8:54am Thu 2 Feb 12
Southendracer
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9:54am Thu 2 Feb 12
Duck Egg wrote:yea because knocking down the island is such a good idea.....NOT!
Knock it down!!! And while you're at it knock the rest of Canvey down!!!
Duck Egg
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10:28am Thu 2 Feb 12
Southendracer wrote:yeah if you're a scrote.
Duck Egg wrote:yea because knocking down the island is such a good idea.....NOT!
Knock it down!!! And while you're at it knock the rest of Canvey down!!!
i was born and raised on canvey i moved to southend last year and trust me canvey is a better place to grow up on that southend.
Southendracer
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10:36am Thu 2 Feb 12
Duck Egg wrote:don't be so stupid get a life
Southendracer wrote:yeah if you're a scrote.
Duck Egg wrote:yea because knocking down the island is such a good idea.....NOT!
Knock it down!!! And while you're at it knock the rest of Canvey down!!!
i was born and raised on canvey i moved to southend last year and trust me canvey is a better place to grow up on that southend.
Mudlark1
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11:49am Thu 2 Feb 12
upset wrote:Sadly the Council do have an obligation to ensure public safety for structures, builings etc, even if its not owned by them.
Are all the Echo reporters paid up members of the CIIP? We support the freedom of the press so they can give unbiased and unfettered reporting so why don't they do some?
This particular structure is owned by a private owner who has a responsibly to keep it safe and insured for public liability, it was fenced off and is marked up as dangerous and keep off.
If the local trouble makers choose to dive, jump or fall off after ignoring the warnings it will stop them from damaging the Dutch cottage, riding offroders all over the a joining land and throwing stones at the buses and taxis.
Town councillors we do not want you wasting you time and our money over such unimportant things, if the Echo want to make the news let them.
Southendracer
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11:54am Thu 2 Feb 12
Mudlark1 wrote:all they have todo is make it safe for people to use instead of letting it rot away.but they will find some way to make us pay to use it
upset wrote:Sadly the Council do have an obligation to ensure public safety for structures, builings etc, even if its not owned by them.
Are all the Echo reporters paid up members of the CIIP? We support the freedom of the press so they can give unbiased and unfettered reporting so why don't they do some?
This particular structure is owned by a private owner who has a responsibly to keep it safe and insured for public liability, it was fenced off and is marked up as dangerous and keep off.
If the local trouble makers choose to dive, jump or fall off after ignoring the warnings it will stop them from damaging the Dutch cottage, riding offroders all over the a joining land and throwing stones at the buses and taxis.
Town councillors we do not want you wasting you time and our money over such unimportant things, if the Echo want to make the news let them.
Having said that this jetty has been used for years and years by fishermen and women as well as kids, while I agree its unsafe there has only been one reported serious incident on this jetty in all those years and that was by a drunk who decided to see if he could fly and thought the mud in the case of not being able to fly would provide a soft landing, he found out to his cost he cant and it didnt.
The cost to local business if the jetty is closed for good would suprisingly be quite high, anglers from accross the South East come to this venue, especially in winter for the elusive Cod, Gone Fishing will suffer, local garages and eateries and drinking holes, ie the lobstersmack will suffer.
There is more chance of a pedistrian getting hurt outside GMD's due to cars and vans parked up on the pavement then there is at the jetty, maybe the Council should be looking into thhis first before wasting any money on a jetty that dosnt belong to them and is heavily used in the majority by sensible people.
Mudlark1
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12:24pm Thu 2 Feb 12
Southendracer wrote:The cost will be huge Southendracer, the local angling club looked into taking it over but the cost was so that they just could not do it.
Mudlark1 wrote:all they have todo is make it safe for people to use instead of letting it rot away.but they will find some way to make us pay to use it
upset wrote:Sadly the Council do have an obligation to ensure public safety for structures, builings etc, even if its not owned by them.
Are all the Echo reporters paid up members of the CIIP? We support the freedom of the press so they can give unbiased and unfettered reporting so why don't they do some?
This particular structure is owned by a private owner who has a responsibly to keep it safe and insured for public liability, it was fenced off and is marked up as dangerous and keep off.
If the local trouble makers choose to dive, jump or fall off after ignoring the warnings it will stop them from damaging the Dutch cottage, riding offroders all over the a joining land and throwing stones at the buses and taxis.
Town councillors we do not want you wasting you time and our money over such unimportant things, if the Echo want to make the news let them.
Having said that this jetty has been used for years and years by fishermen and women as well as kids, while I agree its unsafe there has only been one reported serious incident on this jetty in all those years and that was by a drunk who decided to see if he could fly and thought the mud in the case of not being able to fly would provide a soft landing, he found out to his cost he cant and it didnt.
The cost to local business if the jetty is closed for good would suprisingly be quite high, anglers from accross the South East come to this venue, especially in winter for the elusive Cod, Gone Fishing will suffer, local garages and eateries and drinking holes, ie the lobstersmack will suffer.
There is more chance of a pedistrian getting hurt outside GMD's due to cars and vans parked up on the pavement then there is at the jetty, maybe the Council should be looking into thhis first before wasting any money on a jetty that dosnt belong to them and is heavily used in the majority by sensible people.
Southendracer
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12:49pm Thu 2 Feb 12
Mudlark1 wrote:its only the stairs that need fixing the rest is ok been up there plenty of times could do with hand rails though my mate fell of and broke his wrist
Southendracer wrote:The cost will be huge Southendracer, the local angling club looked into taking it over but the cost was so that they just could not do it.
Mudlark1 wrote:all they have todo is make it safe for people to use instead of letting it rot away.but they will find some way to make us pay to use it
upset wrote:Sadly the Council do have an obligation to ensure public safety for structures, builings etc, even if its not owned by them.
Are all the Echo reporters paid up members of the CIIP? We support the freedom of the press so they can give unbiased and unfettered reporting so why don't they do some?
This particular structure is owned by a private owner who has a responsibly to keep it safe and insured for public liability, it was fenced off and is marked up as dangerous and keep off.
If the local trouble makers choose to dive, jump or fall off after ignoring the warnings it will stop them from damaging the Dutch cottage, riding offroders all over the a joining land and throwing stones at the buses and taxis.
Town councillors we do not want you wasting you time and our money over such unimportant things, if the Echo want to make the news let them.
Having said that this jetty has been used for years and years by fishermen and women as well as kids, while I agree its unsafe there has only been one reported serious incident on this jetty in all those years and that was by a drunk who decided to see if he could fly and thought the mud in the case of not being able to fly would provide a soft landing, he found out to his cost he cant and it didnt.
The cost to local business if the jetty is closed for good would suprisingly be quite high, anglers from accross the South East come to this venue, especially in winter for the elusive Cod, Gone Fishing will suffer, local garages and eateries and drinking holes, ie the lobstersmack will suffer.
There is more chance of a pedistrian getting hurt outside GMD's due to cars and vans parked up on the pavement then there is at the jetty, maybe the Council should be looking into thhis first before wasting any money on a jetty that dosnt belong to them and is heavily used in the majority by sensible people.
Its a catch 22, deemed to unsafe to use by the Council's and to costly to repair or demolish.
The company that owns it is based up North, i wont reveal their details but even they cant afford to demolish it. It maybe that the land part of it is finally torn down leaving the sea based part in place until such time either someone buys it to use or money is found to remove it completely, both of which at present is a unrealistic prospect.
Mudlark1
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12:59pm Thu 2 Feb 12
Southendracer
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1:02pm Thu 2 Feb 12
Mudlark1 wrote:and being metal it will be better than southend peir
The end has no railings what so ever, some of the railings along the length are also in need of repair, im not sure of the costs involved but it was substantial, what with all these pc safety laws thanks to the EU, to make it usuable for the public, it would be very expensive for a small Angling club, not to mention the public liability insurance required. The owners had it up for sale a few years ago at £750000.
Personally I reckon it would be a good investment for the local council longterm, its nearly as long as Sounthend pier and with a little bit of foresight and lots of funding could easily be turned around for a good long term investment, i'm certain local business would also get involved if the right vision for its future was put forward.
Mudlark1
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1:39pm Thu 2 Feb 12
Southendracer wrote:And it has concrete road, it was built to last thats for sure.
Mudlark1 wrote:and being metal it will be better than southend peir
The end has no railings what so ever, some of the railings along the length are also in need of repair, im not sure of the costs involved but it was substantial, what with all these pc safety laws thanks to the EU, to make it usuable for the public, it would be very expensive for a small Angling club, not to mention the public liability insurance required. The owners had it up for sale a few years ago at £750000.
Personally I reckon it would be a good investment for the local council longterm, its nearly as long as Sounthend pier and with a little bit of foresight and lots of funding could easily be turned around for a good long term investment, i'm certain local business would also get involved if the right vision for its future was put forward.
Mudlark1
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1:43pm Thu 2 Feb 12
Southendracer
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1:46pm Thu 2 Feb 12
Mudlark1 wrote:and it wont burn down with a fire we could put a train on it to lol
And I reckon the council could purchase it at a knock down bargin price, even consider compulsery purchase due to safety concerns, I reckon they could get the purchase price down to under £300,000. thats 200,000 less then the money wasted on the core strategy. BARGIN!!!! lol
upset
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1:49pm Thu 2 Feb 12
Southendracer wrote:Let the gypsies break it up for the metal.
Mudlark1 wrote:and being metal it will be better than southend peir
The end has no railings what so ever, some of the railings along the length are also in need of repair, im not sure of the costs involved but it was substantial, what with all these pc safety laws thanks to the EU, to make it usuable for the public, it would be very expensive for a small Angling club, not to mention the public liability insurance required. The owners had it up for sale a few years ago at £750000.
Personally I reckon it would be a good investment for the local council longterm, its nearly as long as Sounthend pier and with a little bit of foresight and lots of funding could easily be turned around for a good long term investment, i'm certain local business would also get involved if the right vision for its future was put forward.
Southendracer
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2:22pm Thu 2 Feb 12
upset wrote:or put gypsies on it and blow it up
Southendracer wrote:Let the gypsies break it up for the metal.
Mudlark1 wrote:and being metal it will be better than southend peir
The end has no railings what so ever, some of the railings along the length are also in need of repair, im not sure of the costs involved but it was substantial, what with all these pc safety laws thanks to the EU, to make it usuable for the public, it would be very expensive for a small Angling club, not to mention the public liability insurance required. The owners had it up for sale a few years ago at £750000.
Personally I reckon it would be a good investment for the local council longterm, its nearly as long as Sounthend pier and with a little bit of foresight and lots of funding could easily be turned around for a good long term investment, i'm certain local business would also get involved if the right vision for its future was put forward.
APR
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3:47pm Thu 2 Feb 12
finalcast
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5:05pm Thu 2 Feb 12
geezer, innit
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5:43pm Thu 2 Feb 12
streetboy75
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10:32am Fri 3 Feb 12
Duck Egg wrote:what a T**T
Knock it down!!! And while you're at it knock the rest of Canvey down!!!
Mudlark1
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11:50am Fri 3 Feb 12
streetboy75 wrote:Duck Egg demonstrates just how bitter people can get with the world, just because his housing benifit is likely to be slashed he will now have to go out and find a job for the first time in his life, it will be quite a shock for someone that sits around all day on his xbox living on handouts. I can understand how his qualifications will only see him on the minimum wage but what else can a lazy good for nothing idiot expect..
Duck Egg wrote:what a T**T
Knock it down!!! And while you're at it knock the rest of Canvey down!!!
Southendracer
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4:59pm Fri 3 Feb 12
Mudlark1 wrote:I agree 100% lol
streetboy75 wrote:Duck Egg demonstrates just how bitter people can get with the world, just because his housing benifit is likely to be slashed he will now have to go out and find a job for the first time in his life, it will be quite a shock for someone that sits around all day on his xbox living on handouts. I can understand how his qualifications will only see him on the minimum wage but what else can a lazy good for nothing idiot expect..
Duck Egg wrote:what a T**T
Knock it down!!! And while you're at it knock the rest of Canvey down!!!
soul man
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9:35pm Sun 5 Feb 12
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6:10pm Wed 1 Feb 12