'Sadlers Farm will not finish on time' council admits (From Echo)

I'm shocked :-o

OH NO I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!!

Stuff talking to the Olympic officials about the impact of the delays.

What about the impact it is having on people who have to use the route on a daily basis?

Oh let me guess the Olympics are far more important!!!!

Rather than put up a story from a councillor, here's a suggestion. Call the company overseeing the work, and ask them what is left to complete. Then publish that.

Non-story

"The works, which have already overrun, were due to finish on Wednesday". There are 52 Wednesdays in the year, which one are the Council talking about? Despite what they say, the project will not be finished until the last contractor has left the site and that is still many Wednesdays away.

at last, somone with the intestinal fortitude t actually admit what we've all known or a long time.

Tomorrow's headline? Counciller removed from office for tellng the truth.

As with most building and transport projects in this country there is a simple sum, take what the council says double the time scale and triple the budget and you have usually roughly the final outcome!

Oh no! No doubt the next Echo headline will announce the Earth isn't flat!!! For any poor soul that has to drive across Sadler's up to 6 times a day it has been obvious for many months that there is so little productive work taking place at anyone time it will be lucky if it's ever finished. At least if it's going to affect the Olympics someone may at last take notice and shove a rocket up the contractors. But as so rightly said by "Nicknows"they should forget the Olympics and start worrying about the rest of us, the tax payers that are actually paying for this huge White Elephant... Personally I reckon it's cost me well in excess of £1,000 in delays and extra fuel costs... Compensation? No I didn't think so?

never in doubt this was going to be the case,due to total mismanagement of the whole project from council to contractor,the total inaccuracies that that have been told have been staggering,someone's head has to roll,although I doubt it will.This will have implications for the road network as the Olympic delivery authority have a lot of power to do what they wish,except get it finished on time-

'And your chosen specialist subject?'

'The bleedin obvious'

This company are on bonus payments for finishing the work on time and no penalty clauses (source Essex CC when I asked under the freedom of information act) There had better not be any bonus payments made.
Why were penalty clauses not put in? There is now no incentive whatsoever for this to be completed.
Worse how many times did ECC keep telling us it was on schedule and be completed on time?
Whoever negotiated this shambles of a road works should be resign. Come on who are you or them?

The feed off to Canvey from the Southend bound track of the A13 is not working either. it is a design flaw which means that people are queuing for that option blocking access to those who wish to go around the roundabout.

I give it a year and we will have more roadworks making changes to the layout.

Up until this week the ECC website said the works would all be completed by Wednesday 27th June. Only now has that date vanished.

GentleGiant wrote:
The feed off to Canvey from the Southend bound track of the A13 is not working either. it is a design flaw which means that people are queuing for that option blocking access to those who wish to go around the roundabout.

I give it a year and we will have more roadworks making changes to the layout.

Up until this week the ECC website said the works would all be completed by Wednesday 27th June. Only now has that date vanished.

As i see it the only way that feed would work is if they had made the bridge go accross and filter into Canvey Way

Wbho would have thought it
Talk about stating the chuffing obvious. Obvious to anybody with half a brain cell it wasn't going to be finished.
Think the work should continue (and at Tarpots) despite the Olympics. Let the rest of the world see what we have to put up with here.
What plonker came up with the idea of no right turn at Tarpots from London bound carriageway of A13 My bet it is the same half wit who dreamt up the slip roads under the A127 to Billericay etc. i.e. somebody who obviously cannot drive, has no idea whatsoever of the local area and is a complete t**t and that's being polite
I trust Essex County Council is going to cut their portion of the council tax for the next ten years to make up the purgatory we have had to endure and still no sign of it coming to an end.

I have always said the no right turn was a big mistake. It will deter any company taking on the old Focus store.

Actually at Tarpots it ran great with a few cones in the middle of the road as a roundabout. of course there was never an issue either with the two mini-roundabouts just the inability of some motorists in how to use them.

The delay is no surprise really, there is so much work to still be completed. I think they should have done a flyover to and from the A130 to the A13 and to and from Canvey island to the A13, leaving the rest of the roundabout as it was, this would have taken less time, less money, and less disruption.

Dan223 wrote:
The delay is no surprise really, there is so much work to still be completed. I think they should have done a flyover to and from the A130 to the A13 and to and from Canvey island to the A13, leaving the rest of the roundabout as it was, this would have taken less time, less money, and less disruption.

Thats a far too sensible outlook that the planners obviously couldn't fathom out for themselves. Mind you, when you go for the obvious you then can't spend loads of other peoples money on consultants etc. As someone has already stated, how many months will it be before the roadworks are back to make this shambles work?

Dids wrote:

GentleGiant wrote:
The feed off to Canvey from the Southend bound track of the A13 is not working either. it is a design flaw which means that people are queuing for that option blocking access to those who wish to go around the roundabout.

I give it a year and we will have more roadworks making changes to the layout.

Up until this week the ECC website said the works would all be completed by Wednesday 27th June. Only now has that date vanished.

As i see it the only way that feed would work is if they had made the bridge go accross and filter into Canvey Way

Was that not the original plan?

Could have sworn that was how it looked on ECC site two years ago when I looked. Can anybody clarify this please?

Touch79 - probably but they changed a lot from the original plan e.g. the no right turn at Tarpots wasn't mentioned. It said there would be no right truns between Sadlers roundablout and Tarpots but ECC seem to do as they like

perini wrote:

Dan223 wrote: The delay is no surprise really, there is so much work to still be completed. I think they should have done a flyover to and from the A130 to the A13 and to and from Canvey island to the A13, leaving the rest of the roundabout as it was, this would have taken less time, less money, and less disruption.

Thats a far too sensible outlook that the planners obviously couldn't fathom out for themselves. Mind you, when you go for the obvious you then can't spend loads of other peoples money on consultants etc. As someone has already stated, how many months will it be before the roadworks are back to make this shambles work?

I've got a great idea, how about a load of mini roundabouts around the big Sadlers Farm roundabout? One at each junction? That might ease any congestion.....

nicknows wrote:
OH NO I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!! Stuff talking to the Olympic officials about the impact of the delays. What about the impact it is having on people who have to use the route on a daily basis? Oh let me guess the Olympics are far more important!!!!

they could spend the reported half a billion underspend on the Olymics by building a temporary rail halt down by the bottom of the hill at Haleigh Castle, then all the Olympics people could use that and bypass the roadworks. They'd have to walk up the hill though so a chairlift would have to be built for those too lazy/fat or disabled to make it...

Failing that they could use some of that dosh to hire more workers to get the bleeding roadworks finished.....

GentleGiant wrote:
I have always said the no right turn was a big mistake. It will deter any company taking on the old Focus store. Actually at Tarpots it ran great with a few cones in the middle of the road as a roundabout. of course there was never an issue either with the two mini-roundabouts just the inability of some motorists in how to use them.

totally agree with this,it is chaos with lights at tarpots and there are huge delays at rush hour from the high road.The hole project is a total waste of money and improves nothing from when 6 roundbouts were there.

Anyone noticed how quiet the usual pro posters who kept slagging off the majority of us who thought it would never be finished on time have gone?
Likewise Councillor Howard who was going to sort it out, most unusual not a word in the "Echo" from him. I wonder why?

The Cater Wood Creeper wrote:

nicknows wrote:
OH NO I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!! Stuff talking to the Olympic officials about the impact of the delays. What about the impact it is having on people who have to use the route on a daily basis? Oh let me guess the Olympics are far more important!!!!

they could spend the reported half a billion underspend on the Olymics by building a temporary rail halt down by the bottom of the hill at Haleigh Castle, then all the Olympics people could use that and bypass the roadworks. They'd have to walk up the hill though so a chairlift would have to be built for those too lazy/fat or disabled to make it...

Failing that they could use some of that dosh to hire more workers to get the bleeding roadworks finished.....

That was suggested at a so called consultancy for the Olympics As was having the foreshore from Benfleet to Leigh made up as a cycle track/footpath and a road train run from Benfleet and Leigh stations with access for spectators over the rail line. Properly controlled of course.
That would have legated the need to widen Castle Lane.
Councillor Castle was supposed to consider these suggestions.
I never heard a thing.
Democracy, what democracy. Consultation what consultation?

John T Pharro wrote:
This company are on bonus payments for finishing the work on time and no penalty clauses (source Essex CC when I asked under the freedom of information act) There had better not be any bonus payments made.
Why were penalty clauses not put in? There is now no incentive whatsoever for this to be completed.
Worse how many times did ECC keep telling us it was on schedule and be completed on time?
Whoever negotiated this shambles of a road works should be resign. Come on who are you or them?

Why dont you ask about the INDIES debacle in the TC under the freedom of info act.

upset wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:
This company are on bonus payments for finishing the work on time and no penalty clauses (source Essex CC when I asked under the freedom of information act) There had better not be any bonus payments made.
Why were penalty clauses not put in? There is now no incentive whatsoever for this to be completed.
Worse how many times did ECC keep telling us it was on schedule and be completed on time?
Whoever negotiated this shambles of a road works should be resign. Come on who are you or them?

Why dont you ask about the INDIES debacle in the TC under the freedom of info act.

Predictable as ever upset. The decision was made, based on the advice of the officers of county and the plans authorised by the Tory majority run county council. Yes or no?
If you understood what Councillor Partridge said, but not supported by his fellow Tories months ago the then Councillor in charge Tracy Chapman was only stating what the officers of county were telling her. That is it would be finished on time.
Now, what on earth have the Indies got to do with that? Is it their Councillors that have a high position in county? Did not Councillor Howard say he would sort this out?
The fact is he cannot anymore than Tracy Chapman could.
Do you agree it was ridiculous that penalty clauses were not built into this contract?
If it wasn't the officers giving the advice to Tracy Chapman then the fault must be with the Councillors for telling everyone it would be finished on time. Yes or no?

So Sadlers Farm will not be compleated today!what a shock.Look back to the time 20 years ago when the mini-roundabouts were built,it resulted in the same problems to drivers as they are having today,and to compound the misery the Rayleigh underpass was constructed at the same time,giving hell to commuters in the area.I believe this proves the ECC do not give a dam for the tax payer and as long as the councillors get away with their total inability to do their jobs and not get fired,never will.

Did you know birse civils have won the £26million pound contract for centre arcs, I suggest you don't book to go there for at least five years.
I couldn't believe my ears when the news announced sadlers farm would not be finished today, I can only say I was shocked as I was sitting in the traffic for one hour because the lights which they have now decided to activate were totally out of sync. I think it is about time we all marched up to birse civils to let them know how we residents really feel, perhaps we should throw cones in front of their vehicles too, they are so disrespectful to drivers.
Also why is the Olympic flame not coming down the a13, oh ! I know why , there are roadworks and benfleet people have been inconvenienced so much they are not good enough for it to come via the never ending roadworks. I noticed al. The Olympic flags today, did they forget to do bread and cheese hill or has someone stolen them already.

John T Pharro wrote:

upset wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:
This company are on bonus payments for finishing the work on time and no penalty clauses (source Essex CC when I asked under the freedom of information act) There had better not be any bonus payments made.
Why were penalty clauses not put in? There is now no incentive whatsoever for this to be completed.
Worse how many times did ECC keep telling us it was on schedule and be completed on time?
Whoever negotiated this shambles of a road works should be resign. Come on who are you or them?

Why dont you ask about the INDIES debacle in the TC under the freedom of info act.

Predictable as ever upset. The decision was made, based on the advice of the officers of county and the plans authorised by the Tory majority run county council. Yes or no?
If you understood what Councillor Partridge said, but not supported by his fellow Tories months ago the then Councillor in charge Tracy Chapman was only stating what the officers of county were telling her. That is it would be finished on time.
Now, what on earth have the Indies got to do with that? Is it their Councillors that have a high position in county? Did not Councillor Howard say he would sort this out?
The fact is he cannot anymore than Tracy Chapman could.
Do you agree it was ridiculous that penalty clauses were not built into this contract?
If it wasn't the officers giving the advice to Tracy Chapman then the fault must be with the Councillors for telling everyone it would be finished on time. Yes or no?

Oh come on upset whoever you are hiding behind a name answer.
Much as I don't agree with Colin MacLean often at least he has the courage to put his name to his posts even if he doesn't always reply. Whereas you well....

Getting home last night from Bicknacre via Rawreth to Canvey was horrible. It took over an hour to do the bit from A127 to Sadlers farm roundabout ( lots of cars doing ‘U’ turns through the roadwork’s) and then because of all the traffic on the roundabout I went via Benfleet. Started journey with a headache and ended journey with a full blown migraine.

Going to Hornchurch tonight but think I will go home via Rayleigh Weir unless anyone knows of a quicker route!

well tell us somthing we didnt already know months ago, i have to agree the new road through the round about to canvey is just making trafic build up back on to the A13 i found that on 3 individule days now i have toke the long way round the roundabout to get back on to the island and found it be quicker and other cars in front of me on the A13 were still there waiting to get over and i was round and heading on to the island, so that bit is a waste of money.

the design is flawed totally,it is like trying to squeeze a marshamallow into a moneybox.I have no idea who designed this debacle,but lights were always a bad idea except a rush hour from A13 to tarpots etc,the cut through to canvey which can fit about 5 cars is a joke as is the fazing of the lights.The problem with A130 south from A127 to Sadlers is simple,someone is going to have suffer or the A13 backs up to 5 bells again.As it did the other night when the lights between old A13 and A130 were switched on,causing gridlock on the roundabout.You are not going to please everyone.As I said all along it was designed to help residents outside of castle point as they get the nice strategic links and canvey and benfleet get lights ,inconvenience,mess AND THEREFORE ALL THE DELAYS

We returned from holiday on Monday, after two weeks away in the hot sun and I am utterly dissappointed with the Sadlers Farm debarcle, I was amazed to see that they are STILL working on it. I know one thing for sure its not going to be finished by the Olympics and having just moved into the area a year ago I have absolutely no faith or trust in Castle Point Council. So can someone tell me when this "bleeping" debarcle will be sorted?

No, and it didn't take you very long to come to he same conclusion most people have about Castle Point Council.
We have a Chief Executive who is now working part time and with a 25per cent pay cut still receives the equivalent of £1.60 per resident as opposed to about £1 per resident in Southend.
"Upset" will of course disagree and blame all Castle Points problems on the CIIP regardless of the fact they don' hold a majority on Castle Point Council
or Essex County Council.
Thought I would put that in to save you a post "upset" whoever you are.

Last night (Wednesday) all roads to Sadlers still gridlocked at 10.15 p.m. Even two emergency ambulances with blues on trying to get from A13 Southend bound to carriageway A127 bound had to sit in the queues and wait Hope the people who were waiting for the two ambulances were still alive by the time they were able to get there.
Total chaos.
Somebodies (plural) heads should roll at Essex County Council for this total mess

Upset have you read the Essex County Council website update?
They actually say it is not completed by the 27th June "as expected".
So what were all the "on time" pre releases all about?
So who do you think is to blame upset? Come on everyone knows you read all posts so try replying.
If you don't I expect most people will think you have lost the argument - again.

whataday wrote:
Last night (Wednesday) all roads to Sadlers still gridlocked at 10.15 p.m. Even two emergency ambulances with blues on trying to get from A13 Southend bound to carriageway A127 bound had to sit in the queues and wait Hope the people who were waiting for the two ambulances were still alive by the time they were able to get there.
Total chaos.
Somebodies (plural) heads should roll at Essex County Council for this total mess

I didn't get home from work until 23:50, nearly an hour later than usual. 40 minutes of my journey was spent in traffic less than 3 miles from home. At one point they even stopped traffic going down London Road. I had to drive away from my home to get back to it!!!

bob7 wrote:

whataday wrote:
Last night (Wednesday) all roads to Sadlers still gridlocked at 10.15 p.m. Even two emergency ambulances with blues on trying to get from A13 Southend bound to carriageway A127 bound had to sit in the queues and wait Hope the people who were waiting for the two ambulances were still alive by the time they were able to get there.
Total chaos.
Somebodies (plural) heads should roll at Essex County Council for this total mess

I didn't get home from work until 23:50, nearly an hour later than usual. 40 minutes of my journey was spent in traffic less than 3 miles from home. At one point they even stopped traffic going down London Road. I had to drive away from my home to get back to it!!!

And no penalty payments for the contractors for late finish because Essex County Council didn't put one in.
Could not agree more with bob7, but bet no one is sacked.

They should have used Polish workers. They would have finished it on time for half the price. Our road workers are a lazy bunch. How often do you see 3 workmen standing watching 1 person work. And why aren't they working 24 hours a day to complete it.