Tories praise Sadlers Farm improvements (From Echo)

What a load of hogwash.

65 million pounds worth of improvement I think not.

Did none of these Tory Councillors sit for hours on end in the jams that were caused by these "improvements" then. They may have short memories but the majority of road users that have suffered due to these"improvments" have not. Remember them at the next elections.

I wonder what they think of the Tarpots junction? Longer waiting times to get across the junctions for pedestrians and motorists. No way of stopping traffic using the wrong lanes and cutting others up. No railings to stop pedestrians stepping out into the road or cars mounting the pavements in the event of an accident. Dangerous staggered crossing on the High Road. Two young lads ran across in front of traffic on Saturday night causing a car to pull up sharp because they couldn't be bothered to walk down to the crossing. Speed cameras not put in on the High Road when they are clearly on the drawings. Many street lights still not working along London Road. They have plenty of work still to do.

Talk about shoot yourselves in the foot, unless the Echo are misquoting the so called intelligent councillors they must have a death wish.
If you have nothing sensible to say just SHUT up, if you carry on like this you all could get ministers jobs in central government and look what the last 12 years have brought us!!!

Do those councillors ever read the comments!

"If you have nothing sensible to say just SHUT up,"
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These three councillors are "Cabinet Members" which means they have been selected for their fawning loyalty rather than ability.

When are the Councillors going to realise no one is complaining about the change. The complaint is about the absolute and unnecessary misery heaped upon users and local residents of Sadlers Farm by the gross incompetence of the ECC's Highways Department in failing to project manage what was, or should that be was not, happening. We would have reaped the benfits without the misery if it had been handled correctly.

As for Cllr Isaacs claiming poor weather as a cause. There were hose pipe bans this year because of droughts caused by the last two winters being the driest on record; the two winters when work was underway. I also note no sympathy from the three Councillors for the businesses that have struggled and in some cases closed in the area due to these roadworks, businesses which would still be trading but for the total lack of program management.

I echo some of bob7's comments.

There is nothing stopping people using the wrong lanes, and in fact the road painting does not help. The left hand lane in the eastbound section approaching the new traffic lights has a straight on arrow and then suddenly a left turn arrow. People seem to use this as justification for using it and then cutting people upo to carry on along the A13 instead of turning left.

It neeeds much more thought, just like the bus lanes which are continually misused by cars, and which also seem to suffer poor road painting signage.

mikepaterson wrote:
I echo some of bob7's comments. There is nothing stopping people using the wrong lanes, and in fact the road painting does not help. The left hand lane in the eastbound section approaching the new traffic lights has a straight on arrow and then suddenly a left turn arrow. People seem to use this as justification for using it and then cutting people upo to carry on along the A13 instead of turning left. It neeeds much more thought, just like the bus lanes which are continually misused by cars, and which also seem to suffer poor road painting signage.

I agree particularly about the eastbound lefthand lane and the paint markings. However, there is also an issue with the righthand turn lane, it is basically not long enough and at certain times the vehicles queueing to turn right block the straight ahead lane.

Ian P wrote:

mikepaterson wrote:
I echo some of bob7's comments. There is nothing stopping people using the wrong lanes, and in fact the road painting does not help. The left hand lane in the eastbound section approaching the new traffic lights has a straight on arrow and then suddenly a left turn arrow. People seem to use this as justification for using it and then cutting people upo to carry on along the A13 instead of turning left. It neeeds much more thought, just like the bus lanes which are continually misused by cars, and which also seem to suffer poor road painting signage.

I agree particularly about the eastbound lefthand lane and the paint markings. However, there is also an issue with the righthand turn lane, it is basically not long enough and at certain times the vehicles queueing to turn right block the straight ahead lane.

Agree - this needs to be longer.

upset wrote:
Talk about shoot yourselves in the foot, unless the Echo are misquoting the so called intelligent councillors they must have a death wish.
If you have nothing sensible to say just SHUT up, if you carry on like this you all could get ministers jobs in central government and look what the last 12 years have brought us!!!

Absolutely agree. The acid test is yet to come as we will never know how well it works until it is completed.
I also suspect a lot of drivers switched to the A127 because of Thorpe hold ups and may yet not have returned.
As to crow about it, you are right upset and some of these Councillors authorised a contract without penalty clauses which shows a total lack of intelligence.

John T Pharro wrote:

upset wrote:
Talk about shoot yourselves in the foot, unless the Echo are misquoting the so called intelligent councillors they must have a death wish.
If you have nothing sensible to say just SHUT up, if you carry on like this you all could get ministers jobs in central government and look what the last 12 years have brought us!!!

Absolutely agree. The acid test is yet to come as we will never know how well it works until it is completed.
I also suspect a lot of drivers switched to the A127 because of Thorpe hold ups and may yet not have returned.
As to crow about it, you are right upset and some of these Councillors authorised a contract without penalty clauses which shows a total lack of intelligence.

Should have read "A127 because of THE holdups". Missed it and hate this automatic spell check sometimes.

Ian P wrote:
When are the Councillors going to realise no one is complaining about the change. The complaint is about the absolute and unnecessary misery heaped upon users and local residents of Sadlers Farm by the gross incompetence of the ECC's Highways Department in failing to project manage what was, or should that be was not, happening. We would have reaped the benfits without the misery if it had been handled correctly.

As for Cllr Isaacs claiming poor weather as a cause. There were hose pipe bans this year because of droughts caused by the last two winters being the driest on record; the two winters when work was underway. I also note no sympathy from the three Councillors for the businesses that have struggled and in some cases closed in the area due to these roadworks, businesses which would still be trading but for the total lack of program management.

Spot on could not agree more.

Lookout Man: 'We've hit an iceberg sir'.

Captain of Titanic: 'Get the band to play a merry tune'.

Approaching drom Southend, traffic lights at Tarpots, wait..., get to roundabout, more traffic lights, wait....., get onto roundabout, more lights and more waiting, this was at 11am what's it going to be like at rush hour??

Approaching from Southend, traffic lights at Tarpots, wait..., get to roundabout, more traffic lights, wait....., get onto roundabout, more lights and more waiting, this was at 11am what's it going to be like at rush hour??

Oh Dear Oh Dear, Moan, Moan, Moan - Whinge, whinge whinge.

People moaned/whinged about the Olympics coming to South East Essex.
People moaned/whinged about Hadleigh One Way system.
People moaned/whinged about lack of parking when the Olympics are on, they cant park outside their property. Its only on for two days for heavens sake.
People moaned that they are going to lose 100s pounds whilst the Olympics are on at at Hadleigh, why? its only on for two days.
People moaned /whinged when they started the Saddlers Farm improvements.
Perhaps the writers on here might like to inform Birse how to lay a road and tarmac on flooded ground, we have had the wettest April and June since records began.
The writers here seem to know best how to lay a road an make millions of pounds worth of improvements in what can only be described in horrendous conditions, but they have pretty much done it so far with just a few bits to finish off. The whole round a bout is now easier to circumnavigate and should, once people get used to it be a far easier journey, except for the whingers of course.
So if you can do any better in the conditions that Birse have had to work under, then moan and whinge, if you cant do any better, shut up.

Hugh.Janus wrote:
Oh Dear Oh Dear, Moan, Moan, Moan - Whinge, whinge whinge.

People moaned/whinged about the Olympics coming to South East Essex.
People moaned/whinged about Hadleigh One Way system.
People moaned/whinged about lack of parking when the Olympics are on, they cant park outside their property. Its only on for two days for heavens sake.
People moaned that they are going to lose 100s pounds whilst the Olympics are on at at Hadleigh, why? its only on for two days.
People moaned /whinged when they started the Saddlers Farm improvements.
Perhaps the writers on here might like to inform Birse how to lay a road and tarmac on flooded ground, we have had the wettest April and June since records began.
The writers here seem to know best how to lay a road an make millions of pounds worth of improvements in what can only be described in horrendous conditions, but they have pretty much done it so far with just a few bits to finish off. The whole round a bout is now easier to circumnavigate and should, once people get used to it be a far easier journey, except for the whingers of course.
So if you can do any better in the conditions that Birse have had to work under, then moan and whinge, if you cant do any better, shut up.

I am sure many could have done better than Birse. After all the weather has only been wetter than normal for a couple of months, and we had a mild winter and great February which more than balances it out.

I reckon you must work for them.....

hothead wrote:

Hugh.Janus wrote:
Oh Dear Oh Dear, Moan, Moan, Moan - Whinge, whinge whinge.

People moaned/whinged about the Olympics coming to South East Essex.
People moaned/whinged about Hadleigh One Way system.
People moaned/whinged about lack of parking when the Olympics are on, they cant park outside their property. Its only on for two days for heavens sake.
People moaned that they are going to lose 100s pounds whilst the Olympics are on at at Hadleigh, why? its only on for two days.
People moaned /whinged when they started the Saddlers Farm improvements.
Perhaps the writers on here might like to inform Birse how to lay a road and tarmac on flooded ground, we have had the wettest April and June since records began.
The writers here seem to know best how to lay a road an make millions of pounds worth of improvements in what can only be described in horrendous conditions, but they have pretty much done it so far with just a few bits to finish off. The whole round a bout is now easier to circumnavigate and should, once people get used to it be a far easier journey, except for the whingers of course.
So if you can do any better in the conditions that Birse have had to work under, then moan and whinge, if you cant do any better, shut up.

I am sure many could have done better than Birse. After all the weather has only been wetter than normal for a couple of months, and we had a mild winter and great February which more than balances it out.

I reckon you must work for them.....

Spot on. I cannot believe some of the comments that Birse and Essex County Council have been wonderful and all the problems that residents have experienced is down to bad weather and not the truth that this has to be the most mismanaged, poorly contracted public road works ever.

John T Pharro wrote:

hothead wrote:

Hugh.Janus wrote: Oh Dear Oh Dear, Moan, Moan, Moan - Whinge, whinge whinge. People moaned/whinged about the Olympics coming to South East Essex. People moaned/whinged about Hadleigh One Way system. People moaned/whinged about lack of parking when the Olympics are on, they cant park outside their property. Its only on for two days for heavens sake. People moaned that they are going to lose 100s pounds whilst the Olympics are on at at Hadleigh, why? its only on for two days. People moaned /whinged when they started the Saddlers Farm improvements. Perhaps the writers on here might like to inform Birse how to lay a road and tarmac on flooded ground, we have had the wettest April and June since records began. The writers here seem to know best how to lay a road an make millions of pounds worth of improvements in what can only be described in horrendous conditions, but they have pretty much done it so far with just a few bits to finish off. The whole round a bout is now easier to circumnavigate and should, once people get used to it be a far easier journey, except for the whingers of course. So if you can do any better in the conditions that Birse have had to work under, then moan and whinge, if you cant do any better, shut up.

I am sure many could have done better than Birse. After all the weather has only been wetter than normal for a couple of months, and we had a mild winter and great February which more than balances it out. I reckon you must work for them.....

Spot on. I cannot believe some of the comments that Birse and Essex County Council have been wonderful and all the problems that residents have experienced is down to bad weather and not the truth that this has to be the most mismanaged, poorly contracted public road works ever.

Actually if you think about it, had the whole project been professionally managed from day one the first completion date of March this year should have been easily met and the two months of heavy rain would have been avoided. Due to the fact that by April the project was already considerably behind schedule the rain just compounded the situation, giving everyone an undefendable defence to try and stand behind.

Ian P wrote:

John T Pharro wrote:

hothead wrote:

Hugh.Janus wrote: Oh Dear Oh Dear, Moan, Moan, Moan - Whinge, whinge whinge. People moaned/whinged about the Olympics coming to South East Essex. People moaned/whinged about Hadleigh One Way system. People moaned/whinged about lack of parking when the Olympics are on, they cant park outside their property. Its only on for two days for heavens sake. People moaned that they are going to lose 100s pounds whilst the Olympics are on at at Hadleigh, why? its only on for two days. People moaned /whinged when they started the Saddlers Farm improvements. Perhaps the writers on here might like to inform Birse how to lay a road and tarmac on flooded ground, we have had the wettest April and June since records began. The writers here seem to know best how to lay a road an make millions of pounds worth of improvements in what can only be described in horrendous conditions, but they have pretty much done it so far with just a few bits to finish off. The whole round a bout is now easier to circumnavigate and should, once people get used to it be a far easier journey, except for the whingers of course. So if you can do any better in the conditions that Birse have had to work under, then moan and whinge, if you cant do any better, shut up.

I am sure many could have done better than Birse. After all the weather has only been wetter than normal for a couple of months, and we had a mild winter and great February which more than balances it out. I reckon you must work for them.....

Spot on. I cannot believe some of the comments that Birse and Essex County Council have been wonderful and all the problems that residents have experienced is down to bad weather and not the truth that this has to be the most mismanaged, poorly contracted public road works ever.

Actually if you think about it, had the whole project been professionally managed from day one the first completion date of March this year should have been easily met and the two months of heavy rain would have been avoided. Due to the fact that by April the project was already considerably behind schedule the rain just compounded the situation, giving everyone an undefendable defence to try and stand behind.

Certainly the "Wise after the Event" brigade are out in force. Especially those little people with their big names.

If you watch the meeting online he says at this stage it is much improved journey from Basildon to Hadleigh compared to before the works started.

Ridiculous comments from councillors who have clearly not been inconvenienced by it all. Were councillors kept awake by the noise of the night work that has been pretty much incessant since Winter? Did they sit in traffic queues for hours on end trying to get to their places of work, wasting time, petrol and causing ecological damage due to car emissions? Yes, it will be a massive improvement when it is finished but that does not compensate those of us who have endured 2 years (in a month's time) of road misery day after day after day.