Man launches petition following sanctions to job seekers

Echo: Man launches petition following sanctions to job seekers Man launches petition following sanctions to job seekers

A DESPERATE man told how his life has been left in tatters because of the new stringent santions on claiming jobs seekers’ allowance.

Nicky Cooke, 34, has been left homeless after his benefits were stopped and fears many others could be in the same hopeless position.

It comes after the Government changed the allowance system, last October, and put sanctions on people deemed not to be trying hard enough to find a job.

But Mr Cooke said they were getting too tough and he had provided proof that he had contacted scores of employers each week.

He said: “They were saying I’m not actively seeking work, there’s a ‘doubt’ on my claim form. “But I’m doing more than enough to look for work, every time I go there on a Tuesday to sign on I give them my job search list and I’m filling out both sides of the form.”

The Echo reported last week that the Storehouse charity, which provides food parcels to the needy in Southend, had been overwhelmed since the sanctions came into place. They are now having to feed more than 200 people a day - compared with just 60 a day three years ago. 

Mr Cooke said he would now be launching a petition outside the job centre to find out how many people are in the same boat and want the system changed. 

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4:07pm Tue 26 Feb 13

I hate the police says...

Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on. I hate the police

4:13pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Soouthchurch59 says...

'Man launches petition'

A judicial review might be more appropriate/fruitful
.
'Man launches petition' A judicial review might be more appropriate/fruitful . Soouthchurch59

4:22pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Broadwaywatch says...

I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.
And one day you might be without work......I suggest that you should not be so quick to judge and condem others.....after all there might be something in the old saying....what goes round comes round.
[quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.[/p][/quote]And one day you might be without work......I suggest that you should not be so quick to judge and condem others.....after all there might be something in the old saying....what goes round comes round. Broadwaywatch

4:25pm Tue 26 Feb 13

emcee says...

I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.
And on what facts do you base your stupid comment on? Is it the cap, the glasses, the fact he is not dressed in a suit and bowler hat?
Be careful with your answer, you do not want to make yourself look more like a fool than you already have.
[quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.[/p][/quote]And on what facts do you base your stupid comment on? Is it the cap, the glasses, the fact he is not dressed in a suit and bowler hat? Be careful with your answer, you do not want to make yourself look more like a fool than you already have. emcee

4:33pm Tue 26 Feb 13

chunkus10 says...

now i wonder how hard this chap has actully looked for a job?? is it that he cant find a job at all or is it he cant find one that he would do?? i think you'll fiind that there are plenty of jobs out there but alot of people cant or wont do some of them!!
now i wonder how hard this chap has actully looked for a job?? is it that he cant find a job at all or is it he cant find one that he would do?? i think you'll fiind that there are plenty of jobs out there but alot of people cant or wont do some of them!! chunkus10

4:38pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Audioman says...

Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB. Plenty of work out there I have a friend who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too. So there is plenty of work if you try. Audioman

4:40pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Beth the original one says...

my son got sanctioned and he actually agreed with it. It actually gave him a bigger kick up the backside to get a job. and guess what, he has a job.
my son got sanctioned and he actually agreed with it. It actually gave him a bigger kick up the backside to get a job. and guess what, he has a job. Beth the original one

4:41pm Tue 26 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

here's a whacky thought. instead of standing out front of the job centre conducting a worthless poll try getting some salaried work.
here's a whacky thought. instead of standing out front of the job centre conducting a worthless poll try getting some salaried work. asbo in a coma

4:42pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Beth the original one says...

also he said he had provided proof, what proof is filling out those cards, when i got made redundant, all i had to do was fill in the form saying who i had appplied to and what for. There was nothing else that was requested, no proof of emails/letters sent. Its very easy to fill out a form and say you have applied for xyz job on so and so date
also he said he had provided proof, what proof is filling out those cards, when i got made redundant, all i had to do was fill in the form saying who i had appplied to and what for. There was nothing else that was requested, no proof of emails/letters sent. Its very easy to fill out a form and say you have applied for xyz job on so and so date Beth the original one

4:43pm Tue 26 Feb 13

supermadmax says...

Its my understanding that benefits are not just stopped, claimants are given a number of warnings & chances, and even after that they can appeal, during the appeal period benefits will continued to be paid.

As far as I'm concerned its very reasonable that claimants have to provide proof that they are approaching 5-10 employers a week (remember all they have to do is look on the site, send a cv to a job, and follow it up (that alone counts as three steeps!! and they only have to do 15 steps a week!)

I believe the real problem is that now their adviser can log into the on line account to see what search activity the claimants have been doing, and they are quite rightly pulling up the people refusing to do the bear minimum.

Like it or loath it the British benefits system is one of the best in the world & the only people who have issue with these changes are those who were abusing the system & have no intention of getting a job.

"Mr Cooke said he would now be launching a petition outside the job centre to find out how many people are in the same boat and want the system changed."

I doubt he will, words are cheap, but if he does I concede that is proactive & displays get up & go, although I cant help but feel if he put that attitude into his job search someone would have given him a chance by now.

Please review Mr Cooke :
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2284542/Art-Bouvier-
Man-spots-Jhaqueil-R
eagan-walking-10-mil
es-job-interview-giv
es-job.html
Its my understanding that benefits are not just stopped, claimants are given a number of warnings & chances, and even after that they can appeal, during the appeal period benefits will continued to be paid. As far as I'm concerned its very reasonable that claimants have to provide proof that they are approaching 5-10 employers a week (remember all they have to do is look on the site, send a cv to a job, and follow it up (that alone counts as three steeps!! and they only have to do 15 steps a week!) I believe the real problem is that now their adviser can log into the on line account to see what search activity the claimants have been doing, and they are quite rightly pulling up the people refusing to do the bear minimum. Like it or loath it the British benefits system is one of the best in the world & the only people who have issue with these changes are those who were abusing the system & have no intention of getting a job. "Mr Cooke said he would now be launching a petition outside the job centre to find out how many people are in the same boat and want the system changed." I doubt he will, words are cheap, but if he does I concede that is proactive & displays get up & go, although I cant help but feel if he put that attitude into his job search someone would have given him a chance by now. Please review Mr Cooke : http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2284542/Art-Bouvier- Man-spots-Jhaqueil-R eagan-walking-10-mil es-job-interview-giv es-job.html supermadmax

4:44pm Tue 26 Feb 13

s00s93 says...

things like this just annoy me.
like people have said, there are plenty of jobs out there. maybe he should go back to college instead of applying for jobs he cant qualify for!
and as for benefits dont even get me started.....
things like this just annoy me. like people have said, there are plenty of jobs out there. maybe he should go back to college instead of applying for jobs he cant qualify for! and as for benefits dont even get me started..... s00s93

4:47pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Mikkel1 says...

My youngest son tried to go self-employed, but so many 'customers' let him down in paying him, he had to give up the idea. He now has a job, but on Minimum wage.
My youngest son tried to go self-employed, but so many 'customers' let him down in paying him, he had to give up the idea. He now has a job, but on Minimum wage. Mikkel1

4:49pm Tue 26 Feb 13

everyoneh850 says...

Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.
There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.
[quote][p][bold]Audioman[/bold] wrote: Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB. Plenty of work out there I have a friend who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too. So there is plenty of work if you try.[/p][/quote]There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery. everyoneh850

4:54pm Tue 26 Feb 13

maddriver says...

These comments show that those making them have no idea what it's like being out of work. There are very few jobs out there.
I read not so long ago that there are 45 unemployed people for every registered job vacancy in south Essex.
I have no idea of the personal circumstances of this particular individual but I do know that the majority of unemployed would be only too happy to find a job if they could.
These comments show that those making them have no idea what it's like being out of work. There are very few jobs out there. I read not so long ago that there are 45 unemployed people for every registered job vacancy in south Essex. I have no idea of the personal circumstances of this particular individual but I do know that the majority of unemployed would be only too happy to find a job if they could. maddriver

5:09pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Nebs says...

everyoneh850 wrote:
Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.
There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.
On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.
[quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Audioman[/bold] wrote: Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB. Plenty of work out there I have a friend who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too. So there is plenty of work if you try.[/p][/quote]There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.[/p][/quote]On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend. Nebs

5:15pm Tue 26 Feb 13

jolllyboy says...

Lidl in hadleigh has a notice up saying they are recruiting .
Lidl in hadleigh has a notice up saying they are recruiting . jolllyboy

5:18pm Tue 26 Feb 13

everyoneh850 says...

Nebs wrote:
everyoneh850 wrote:
Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.
There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.
On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.
How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Audioman[/bold] wrote: Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB. Plenty of work out there I have a friend who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too. So there is plenty of work if you try.[/p][/quote]There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.[/p][/quote]On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.[/p][/quote]How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job?? everyoneh850

5:20pm Tue 26 Feb 13

smallguy says...

Was the job centre asked to comment?
Was the job centre asked to comment? smallguy

5:41pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Cosmo Spring says...

smallguy wrote:
Was the job centre asked to comment?
they were all too busy fannying about on facebook or kissing the fundament of their bosses
[quote][p][bold]smallguy[/bold] wrote: Was the job centre asked to comment?[/p][/quote]they were all too busy fannying about on facebook or kissing the fundament of their bosses Cosmo Spring

5:44pm Tue 26 Feb 13

essex_man says...

If you are ready to accept minimum wage and work in care sector.There are jobs available.
If you are ready to accept minimum wage and work in care sector.There are jobs available. essex_man

5:46pm Tue 26 Feb 13

DrSpiffSpaffington says...

People act like benefit claimants live the high life at our expense, they get £45 a week dont they? I spend more than that on food alone. Fact is we are in a recession and employers only want cheap foreign labour. The job centre will pull out all the stops to try and cut somebodys benefits, the government is pressuring them to get asmany people off as they can, same as they are finding 60% of disability claimants "fit to work" conveniently forgetting to tell us that most win on appeal or die soon after
People act like benefit claimants live the high life at our expense, they get £45 a week dont they? I spend more than that on food alone. Fact is we are in a recession and employers only want cheap foreign labour. The job centre will pull out all the stops to try and cut somebodys benefits, the government is pressuring them to get asmany people off as they can, same as they are finding 60% of disability claimants "fit to work" conveniently forgetting to tell us that most win on appeal or die soon after DrSpiffSpaffington

5:59pm Tue 26 Feb 13

marshman says...

supermadmax wrote:
Its my understanding that benefits are not just stopped, claimants are given a number of warnings & chances, and even after that they can appeal, during the appeal period benefits will continued to be paid. As far as I'm concerned its very reasonable that claimants have to provide proof that they are approaching 5-10 employers a week (remember all they have to do is look on the site, send a cv to a job, and follow it up (that alone counts as three steeps!! and they only have to do 15 steps a week!) I believe the real problem is that now their adviser can log into the on line account to see what search activity the claimants have been doing, and they are quite rightly pulling up the people refusing to do the bear minimum. Like it or loath it the British benefits system is one of the best in the world & the only people who have issue with these changes are those who were abusing the system & have no intention of getting a job. "Mr Cooke said he would now be launching a petition outside the job centre to find out how many people are in the same boat and want the system changed." I doubt he will, words are cheap, but if he does I concede that is proactive & displays get up & go, although I cant help but feel if he put that attitude into his job search someone would have given him a chance by now. Please review Mr Cooke : http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2284542/Art-Bouvier- Man-spots-Jhaqueil-R eagan-walking-10-mil es-job-interview-giv es-job.html
You're 'understanding' of the rules my friend is completely wrong.

Benefits are stopped without warning.

Usually notification is given one or two days before payment is due that none will be made that week.

If a claimant does have the audacity to appeal a decision it can take up to five weeks for the appeal to be 'validated'. During this validation period no benefit payment is made and you're advised to borrow.

Once the appeal has been validated payment may be made at a reduced rate until the appeal is decided (which can take up to 9 months).

Win the appeal and you get your backdated money but then the whole process begins again.

Stop believing what you read in the Daily Mail.
[quote][p][bold]supermadmax[/bold] wrote: Its my understanding that benefits are not just stopped, claimants are given a number of warnings & chances, and even after that they can appeal, during the appeal period benefits will continued to be paid. As far as I'm concerned its very reasonable that claimants have to provide proof that they are approaching 5-10 employers a week (remember all they have to do is look on the site, send a cv to a job, and follow it up (that alone counts as three steeps!! and they only have to do 15 steps a week!) I believe the real problem is that now their adviser can log into the on line account to see what search activity the claimants have been doing, and they are quite rightly pulling up the people refusing to do the bear minimum. Like it or loath it the British benefits system is one of the best in the world & the only people who have issue with these changes are those who were abusing the system & have no intention of getting a job. "Mr Cooke said he would now be launching a petition outside the job centre to find out how many people are in the same boat and want the system changed." I doubt he will, words are cheap, but if he does I concede that is proactive & displays get up & go, although I cant help but feel if he put that attitude into his job search someone would have given him a chance by now. Please review Mr Cooke : http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2284542/Art-Bouvier- Man-spots-Jhaqueil-R eagan-walking-10-mil es-job-interview-giv es-job.html[/p][/quote]You're 'understanding' of the rules my friend is completely wrong. Benefits are stopped without warning. Usually notification is given one or two days before payment is due that none will be made that week. If a claimant does have the audacity to appeal a decision it can take up to five weeks for the appeal to be 'validated'. During this validation period no benefit payment is made and you're advised to borrow. Once the appeal has been validated payment may be made at a reduced rate until the appeal is decided (which can take up to 9 months). Win the appeal and you get your backdated money but then the whole process begins again. Stop believing what you read in the Daily Mail. marshman

6:01pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Soouthchurch59 says...

essex_man wrote:
If you are ready to accept minimum wage and work in care sector.There are jobs available.
People that work in the care sector should be well trained; not sourced from the deep end of the dole queue.
[quote][p][bold]essex_man[/bold] wrote: If you are ready to accept minimum wage and work in care sector.There are jobs available.[/p][/quote]People that work in the care sector should be well trained; not sourced from the deep end of the dole queue. Soouthchurch59

6:05pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Nebs says...

everyoneh850 wrote:
Nebs wrote:
everyoneh850 wrote:
Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.
There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.
On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.
How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??
Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance.
Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages.
[quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Audioman[/bold] wrote: Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB. Plenty of work out there I have a friend who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too. So there is plenty of work if you try.[/p][/quote]There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.[/p][/quote]On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.[/p][/quote]How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??[/p][/quote]Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance. Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages. Nebs

6:23pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Red Under Your Bed says...

DrSpiffSpaffington wrote:
People act like benefit claimants live the high life at our expense, they get £45 a week dont they? I spend more than that on food alone. Fact is we are in a recession and employers only want cheap foreign labour. The job centre will pull out all the stops to try and cut somebodys benefits, the government is pressuring them to get asmany people off as they can, same as they are finding 60% of disability claimants "fit to work" conveniently forgetting to tell us that most win on appeal or die soon after
JSA is £71 a week. If anyone is living the high life on that after paying gas, electric, water, possibly a phone bill, (and soon they'll have to pay council tax too) I'd be surprised.
[quote][p][bold]DrSpiffSpaffington[/bold] wrote: People act like benefit claimants live the high life at our expense, they get £45 a week dont they? I spend more than that on food alone. Fact is we are in a recession and employers only want cheap foreign labour. The job centre will pull out all the stops to try and cut somebodys benefits, the government is pressuring them to get asmany people off as they can, same as they are finding 60% of disability claimants "fit to work" conveniently forgetting to tell us that most win on appeal or die soon after[/p][/quote]JSA is £71 a week. If anyone is living the high life on that after paying gas, electric, water, possibly a phone bill, (and soon they'll have to pay council tax too) I'd be surprised. Red Under Your Bed

6:44pm Tue 26 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

unskilled and doing everything to avoid work. try learning a skill or go back to school. witness the sorry list of excuses above. i'd rather have a unskilled pole working for me than an unskilled local (tyler avenue teat dependent)
unskilled and doing everything to avoid work. try learning a skill or go back to school. witness the sorry list of excuses above. i'd rather have a unskilled pole working for me than an unskilled local (tyler avenue teat dependent) asbo in a coma

6:54pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Soouthchurch59 says...

Red Under Your Bed wrote:
DrSpiffSpaffington wrote:
People act like benefit claimants live the high life at our expense, they get £45 a week dont they? I spend more than that on food alone. Fact is we are in a recession and employers only want cheap foreign labour. The job centre will pull out all the stops to try and cut somebodys benefits, the government is pressuring them to get asmany people off as they can, same as they are finding 60% of disability claimants "fit to work" conveniently forgetting to tell us that most win on appeal or die soon after
JSA is £71 a week. If anyone is living the high life on that after paying gas, electric, water, possibly a phone bill, (and soon they'll have to pay council tax too) I'd be surprised.
Steady, you'll be upsetting people! But that's the nice thing about facts; they're true whether you agree with/believe in them or not.
[quote][p][bold]Red Under Your Bed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DrSpiffSpaffington[/bold] wrote: People act like benefit claimants live the high life at our expense, they get £45 a week dont they? I spend more than that on food alone. Fact is we are in a recession and employers only want cheap foreign labour. The job centre will pull out all the stops to try and cut somebodys benefits, the government is pressuring them to get asmany people off as they can, same as they are finding 60% of disability claimants "fit to work" conveniently forgetting to tell us that most win on appeal or die soon after[/p][/quote]JSA is £71 a week. If anyone is living the high life on that after paying gas, electric, water, possibly a phone bill, (and soon they'll have to pay council tax too) I'd be surprised.[/p][/quote]Steady, you'll be upsetting people! But that's the nice thing about facts; they're true whether you agree with/believe in them or not. Soouthchurch59

6:55pm Tue 26 Feb 13

BIRLIS says...

OK, there seems to be some professional people on here. Mr Cooke, if you really want a job stop dicking about with protests and post here with your skills and experience. Let's see if the community can give you a helping hand.

I assume you are logging on to read about your story....
OK, there seems to be some professional people on here. Mr Cooke, if you really want a job stop dicking about with protests and post here with your skills and experience. Let's see if the community can give you a helping hand. I assume you are logging on to read about your story.... BIRLIS

7:00pm Tue 26 Feb 13

DrSpiffSpaffington says...

Probably, ive lost count of the amount of times we've mocked somebody on here only for them to join up in a futile attempt to defend themselves!
Probably, ive lost count of the amount of times we've mocked somebody on here only for them to join up in a futile attempt to defend themselves! DrSpiffSpaffington

7:01pm Tue 26 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

DrSpiffSpaffington wrote:
Working for you? I thought flashing schoolkids was a solo persuit asbo?
ah shankovski talk of the devil... unskilled and uneducated. your ears must have been burning
[quote][p][bold]DrSpiffSpaffington[/bold] wrote: Working for you? I thought flashing schoolkids was a solo persuit asbo?[/p][/quote]ah shankovski talk of the devil... unskilled and uneducated. your ears must have been burning asbo in a coma

7:18pm Tue 26 Feb 13

pembury53 says...

Regardless of this individuals genuine attempts to find work or otherwise, the present governments approach is just political posturing to win votes and a desperate attempt to look like they're doing something. Unless the number of vacancies = the number of unemployed (which is doesn't) then it makes no economic difference to give people 'a kick up the backside' to find a job, unless that person was somehow the only applicant, otherwise they simply displace another job seeker. Forcing people into homelessness by benefit cuts simply transfers the financial burden elsewhere, along with a whole load of other problems. Its thanks to the moronic immigration policies of the last decade or so for the mess we are now in, unless you really believe all that drivel from employers, aided and abeted by a corrupt administration not yet content with gap between rich and poor.......
Regardless of this individuals genuine attempts to find work or otherwise, the present governments approach is just political posturing to win votes and a desperate attempt to look like they're doing something. Unless the number of vacancies = the number of unemployed (which is doesn't) then it makes no economic difference to give people 'a kick up the backside' to find a job, unless that person was somehow the only applicant, otherwise they simply displace another job seeker. Forcing people into homelessness by benefit cuts simply transfers the financial burden elsewhere, along with a whole load of other problems. Its thanks to the moronic immigration policies of the last decade or so for the mess we are now in, unless you really believe all that drivel from employers, aided and abeted by a corrupt administration not yet content with gap between rich and poor....... pembury53

8:33pm Tue 26 Feb 13

I hate the police says...

Mr Cooke could easily get a job if he tried. The fact is, Mr Cooke is a sad 34 year old man, living at home with his parents, and is quite happy with recieving the benefits his getting, so he can spend it on drink and drugs.
Mr Cooke could easily get a job if he tried. The fact is, Mr Cooke is a sad 34 year old man, living at home with his parents, and is quite happy with recieving the benefits his getting, so he can spend it on drink and drugs. I hate the police

9:03pm Tue 26 Feb 13

southchurchroad says...

There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks).

Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20.

There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax.

You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.
There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks). Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20. There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax. You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs. southchurchroad

9:50pm Tue 26 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

frankly it's a pretty low bar to get your weekly benefits hit. a failure to follow basic instructions either through stupidity or bone idleness - take your pick.
frankly it's a pretty low bar to get your weekly benefits hit. a failure to follow basic instructions either through stupidity or bone idleness - take your pick. asbo in a coma

10:04pm Tue 26 Feb 13

heartbeat says...

southchurchroad wrote:
There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks).

Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20.

There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax.

You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.
A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality!

It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation.

Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a
shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc.

All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be.

If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into.

The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us.
[quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks). Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20. There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax. You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.[/p][/quote]A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality! It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation. Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc. All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be. If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into. The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us. heartbeat

10:47pm Tue 26 Feb 13

emcee says...

Nebs wrote:
everyoneh850 wrote:
Nebs wrote:
everyoneh850 wrote:
Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.
There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.
On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.
How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??
Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance.
Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages.
What if you are over 30? What if you are 40, 50, 55. Starting a business is not as straight forward as you make it sound, especially if you have no financial backing.
As for difficulty in finding employed work, this increases immensely when in your fourties and fifties. I know a couple of "skilled" people in their late forties who were made redundant a couple of years ago (yes, they are long term unemployed). Neither can get so much as their applications acknowledged let alone get an interview. They are not applying for £30/40k a year jobs. Not even £20k a year jobs. Many of their applications are for menial, minimum wage and even part time. Employers just overlook the older applicants in favour of the twenty somethings. It is illegal for employers to do so and they say they do not do it but they do.
I get a very annoyed when the people who say that work is available to, and obtainable by, all unemployed people are the very same people who are not in the position to have to look for work themselves. These people just need to remember the phrase, "There but for the grace of God, go I".
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Audioman[/bold] wrote: Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB. Plenty of work out there I have a friend who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too. So there is plenty of work if you try.[/p][/quote]There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.[/p][/quote]On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.[/p][/quote]How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??[/p][/quote]Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance. Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages.[/p][/quote]What if you are over 30? What if you are 40, 50, 55. Starting a business is not as straight forward as you make it sound, especially if you have no financial backing. As for difficulty in finding employed work, this increases immensely when in your fourties and fifties. I know a couple of "skilled" people in their late forties who were made redundant a couple of years ago (yes, they are long term unemployed). Neither can get so much as their applications acknowledged let alone get an interview. They are not applying for £30/40k a year jobs. Not even £20k a year jobs. Many of their applications are for menial, minimum wage and even part time. Employers just overlook the older applicants in favour of the twenty somethings. It is illegal for employers to do so and they say they do not do it but they do. I get a very annoyed when the people who say that work is available to, and obtainable by, all unemployed people are the very same people who are not in the position to have to look for work themselves. These people just need to remember the phrase, "There but for the grace of God, go I". emcee

10:55pm Tue 26 Feb 13

jayman says...

I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.
or not.....

this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work.

if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work.

try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding..

The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare..
[quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.[/p][/quote]or not..... this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work. if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work. try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding.. The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare.. jayman

11:36pm Tue 26 Feb 13

How-ironic says...

jayman wrote:
I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.
or not.....

this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work.

if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work.

try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding..

The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare..
Why should the state have to support people who become unemployed?
I pay monthly to have income protection in case of redundancy which covers my salary of the worse happens, this should be mandatory.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.[/p][/quote]or not..... this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work. if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work. try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding.. The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare..[/p][/quote]Why should the state have to support people who become unemployed? I pay monthly to have income protection in case of redundancy which covers my salary of the worse happens, this should be mandatory. How-ironic

11:40pm Tue 26 Feb 13

jayman says...

How-ironic wrote:
jayman wrote:
I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.
or not.....

this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work.

if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work.

try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding..

The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare..
Why should the state have to support people who become unemployed?
I pay monthly to have income protection in case of redundancy which covers my salary of the worse happens, this should be mandatory.
such protection is an abstract consideration on minimum wage when financial provision for food is your top priority!
[quote][p][bold]How-ironic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.[/p][/quote]or not..... this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work. if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work. try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding.. The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare..[/p][/quote]Why should the state have to support people who become unemployed? I pay monthly to have income protection in case of redundancy which covers my salary of the worse happens, this should be mandatory.[/p][/quote]such protection is an abstract consideration on minimum wage when financial provision for food is your top priority! jayman

11:41pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Optional Extra says...

Just picture some of the gobshite that post insults on here about some that find others in difficult times with little help to turn too, bet most have never had it hard, have never lived in a bedsit, hostel. More than likely left your mummy’s bosom went to collage are under the age of 30 and think they know it all, moan when you get a slap in Town and complaint that non of it was your fault, no wonder this Country has had it, under labour they brought a generation of wimps up and selfish little mugs too.
Just picture some of the gobshite that post insults on here about some that find others in difficult times with little help to turn too, bet most have never had it hard, have never lived in a bedsit, hostel. More than likely left your mummy’s bosom went to collage are under the age of 30 and think they know it all, moan when you get a slap in Town and complaint that non of it was your fault, no wonder this Country has had it, under labour they brought a generation of wimps up and selfish little mugs too. Optional Extra

11:46pm Tue 26 Feb 13

whataday says...

I have read through all the above posts and find it sad that there is such a divide between those who have experienced unemployment and those who haven't.
I am fortunate enough to have been employed my whole working life. However, during this time I have also had to live with the very real worry of whether I would still have a job due to staffing cuts etc. and it is a very unpleasant experience. I am fortunate to have good qualifications = the reason I am pointing this out is to enlighten certain posters that anybody could find themselves in the unfortunate position of being made redundant.
I have also had to sit by and watch my nephew go from a confident out-going youngster to a depressed introvert because he cannot get a job.
When he used to tell me the number of jobs he applied for and didn't even get the decency of a reply I carried out a little bit of research and applied for some of the job adverts he was responding to and guess what he was absolutely right employers don't even have the courtesy to reply to your applications never mind offer you an interview.
The reality is there are NOT the jobs out there for all the jobless and this government's doing nothing to help the unemployed. They DO stop benefits with no warning and as somebody rightly said above it takes about six weeks to get benefits sorted out again. No apologies nothing. How are people supposed to live and pay bills if no money whatsoever is coming in. This government also targets the people who cannot work through ill health or disability and do the same to them - just stop their payments and leave them in dire straits for weeks until their money is reinsted.
This government is not doing anything to create jobs - it is causing many firms to go bankrupt which means increasing unemployment. It lets thousands of foreigners in and pays money to them straightaway whether they have any intention or entitlement to work in this country. So all those posters who think the unemployed could get jobs if they got off their arses need to get their heads out of theirs. Inevitably there will always be some people who will take advantage of whatever system is in place be it through claiming benefits because they can't be bothered to work or by not contributing to the central pool because they've found ways of avoiding paying tax. In other words not everybody is a stereotype.
I have read through all the above posts and find it sad that there is such a divide between those who have experienced unemployment and those who haven't. I am fortunate enough to have been employed my whole working life. However, during this time I have also had to live with the very real worry of whether I would still have a job due to staffing cuts etc. and it is a very unpleasant experience. I am fortunate to have good qualifications = the reason I am pointing this out is to enlighten certain posters that anybody could find themselves in the unfortunate position of being made redundant. I have also had to sit by and watch my nephew go from a confident out-going youngster to a depressed introvert because he cannot get a job. When he used to tell me the number of jobs he applied for and didn't even get the decency of a reply I carried out a little bit of research and applied for some of the job adverts he was responding to and guess what he was absolutely right employers don't even have the courtesy to reply to your applications never mind offer you an interview. The reality is there are NOT the jobs out there for all the jobless and this government's doing nothing to help the unemployed. They DO stop benefits with no warning and as somebody rightly said above it takes about six weeks to get benefits sorted out again. No apologies nothing. How are people supposed to live and pay bills if no money whatsoever is coming in. This government also targets the people who cannot work through ill health or disability and do the same to them - just stop their payments and leave them in dire straits for weeks until their money is reinsted. This government is not doing anything to create jobs - it is causing many firms to go bankrupt which means increasing unemployment. It lets thousands of foreigners in and pays money to them straightaway whether they have any intention or entitlement to work in this country. So all those posters who think the unemployed could get jobs if they got off their arses need to get their heads out of theirs. Inevitably there will always be some people who will take advantage of whatever system is in place be it through claiming benefits because they can't be bothered to work or by not contributing to the central pool because they've found ways of avoiding paying tax. In other words not everybody is a stereotype. whataday

11:55pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Optional Extra says...

I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.
Our taxes also goes towards mugs like you too ffs.
[quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.[/p][/quote]Our taxes also goes towards mugs like you too ffs. Optional Extra

12:05am Wed 27 Feb 13

Optional Extra says...

I hate the police wrote:
Mr Cooke could easily get a job if he tried. The fact is, Mr Cooke is a sad 34 year old man, living at home with his parents, and is quite happy with recieving the benefits his getting, so he can spend it on drink and drugs.
You hate police eh, so if you do then how many times have you been inside, none I'd thought, coz if you had you wouldn't come out with a statement like that,
[quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: Mr Cooke could easily get a job if he tried. The fact is, Mr Cooke is a sad 34 year old man, living at home with his parents, and is quite happy with recieving the benefits his getting, so he can spend it on drink and drugs.[/p][/quote]You hate police eh, so if you do then how many times have you been inside, none I'd thought, coz if you had you wouldn't come out with a statement like that, Optional Extra

12:07am Wed 27 Feb 13

Optional Extra says...

s00s93 wrote:
things like this just annoy me. like people have said, there are plenty of jobs out there. maybe he should go back to college instead of applying for jobs he cant qualify for! and as for benefits dont even get me started.....
Go back to collage, oh you silly little person, you really do live in the clouds. Don't get you started on benefits, your one scary person, not.
[quote][p][bold]s00s93[/bold] wrote: things like this just annoy me. like people have said, there are plenty of jobs out there. maybe he should go back to college instead of applying for jobs he cant qualify for! and as for benefits dont even get me started.....[/p][/quote]Go back to collage, oh you silly little person, you really do live in the clouds. Don't get you started on benefits, your one scary person, not. Optional Extra

12:46am Wed 27 Feb 13

Carnabackable says...

Time to knuckle down and face the realities of the 21st century. No one will be carried, at the expense of others, those who haven't got a job, must find one, or two.
The good times of doing sweet FA are over, when my Father needed work, he got upon his bike..............
Time to knuckle down and face the realities of the 21st century. No one will be carried, at the expense of others, those who haven't got a job, must find one, or two. The good times of doing sweet FA are over, when my Father needed work, he got upon his bike.............. Carnabackable

2:33am Wed 27 Feb 13

heartbeat says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Time to knuckle down and face the realities of the 21st century. No one will be carried, at the expense of others, those who haven't got a job, must find one, or two.
The good times of doing sweet FA are over, when my Father needed work, he got upon his bike..............
Lucky he was healthy enough to be able to cycle, and presumably he didn't have any elderly parents to try to look after or young kids or any of the other "unwanted baggage".
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Time to knuckle down and face the realities of the 21st century. No one will be carried, at the expense of others, those who haven't got a job, must find one, or two. The good times of doing sweet FA are over, when my Father needed work, he got upon his bike..............[/p][/quote]Lucky he was healthy enough to be able to cycle, and presumably he didn't have any elderly parents to try to look after or young kids or any of the other "unwanted baggage". heartbeat

2:46am Wed 27 Feb 13

heartbeat says...

jayman wrote:
How-ironic wrote:
jayman wrote:
I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.
or not.....

this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work.

if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work.

try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding..

The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare..
Why should the state have to support people who become unemployed?
I pay monthly to have income protection in case of redundancy which covers my salary of the worse happens, this should be mandatory.
such protection is an abstract consideration on minimum wage when financial provision for food is your top priority!
Yes and apart from the cost which is absolutely prohibitive for anyone on minimum wage, or in "we'll call you when we want you" kind of employment, just try getting insurance to cover redundancy if you've ever had a serious illness! Or even if you're over 50 (and don't forget we've all now got to work or be considered "scroungers" until our late 60s - no arthritis or getting doddery allowed! Who on EARTH is going to want to employ the millions of people who have had serious illnesses and are the wrong side of 50 (or even 60) when there aren't even enough jobs for fit and healthy, fast-learning 20-somethings? I'm quite sure I wouldn't if I was an employer and my main concern was to have a successful business that was viable financially.

And what a complete joke that age-discrimination is supposed to be illegal - application forms always ask the date you passed your exams - something of a giveaway if you passed your O levels in the 1960s!

Don't let something like that worry you though - all those "holier than thou's" who are practically perfect in every way obviously seem to know they have a Divine Right to unfailing perfect health for the next 60 years or so and will never, ever fall foul of a company "reshuffle".
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]How-ironic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.[/p][/quote]or not..... this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work. if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work. try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding.. The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare..[/p][/quote]Why should the state have to support people who become unemployed? I pay monthly to have income protection in case of redundancy which covers my salary of the worse happens, this should be mandatory.[/p][/quote]such protection is an abstract consideration on minimum wage when financial provision for food is your top priority![/p][/quote]Yes and apart from the cost which is absolutely prohibitive for anyone on minimum wage, or in "we'll call you when we want you" kind of employment, just try getting insurance to cover redundancy if you've ever had a serious illness! Or even if you're over 50 (and don't forget we've all now got to work or be considered "scroungers" until our late 60s - no arthritis or getting doddery allowed! Who on EARTH is going to want to employ the millions of people who have had serious illnesses and are the wrong side of 50 (or even 60) when there aren't even enough jobs for fit and healthy, fast-learning 20-somethings? I'm quite sure I wouldn't if I was an employer and my main concern was to have a successful business that was viable financially. And what a complete joke that age-discrimination is supposed to be illegal - application forms always ask the date you passed your exams - something of a giveaway if you passed your O levels in the 1960s! Don't let something like that worry you though - all those "holier than thou's" who are practically perfect in every way obviously seem to know they have a Divine Right to unfailing perfect health for the next 60 years or so and will never, ever fall foul of a company "reshuffle". heartbeat

3:10am Wed 27 Feb 13

Optional Extra says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Time to knuckle down and face the realities of the 21st century. No one will be carried, at the expense of others, those who haven't got a job, must find one, or two. The good times of doing sweet FA are over, when my Father needed work, he got upon his bike..............
The deluded has arose, will take it that your parents never got child allowance outta my taxes, another deluded mongoose.
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Time to knuckle down and face the realities of the 21st century. No one will be carried, at the expense of others, those who haven't got a job, must find one, or two. The good times of doing sweet FA are over, when my Father needed work, he got upon his bike..............[/p][/quote]The deluded has arose, will take it that your parents never got child allowance outta my taxes, another deluded mongoose. Optional Extra

3:14am Wed 27 Feb 13

Optional Extra says...

Carnabackable wrote:
Time to knuckle down and face the realities of the 21st century. No one will be carried, at the expense of others, those who haven't got a job, must find one, or two. The good times of doing sweet FA are over, when my Father needed work, he got upon his bike..............
The deluded has arose, will take it that your parents never got child allowance outta my taxes, another deluded mongoose.
[quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Time to knuckle down and face the realities of the 21st century. No one will be carried, at the expense of others, those who haven't got a job, must find one, or two. The good times of doing sweet FA are over, when my Father needed work, he got upon his bike..............[/p][/quote]The deluded has arose, will take it that your parents never got child allowance outta my taxes, another deluded mongoose. Optional Extra

3:32am Wed 27 Feb 13

FoxyLady says...

heartbeat wrote:
southchurchroad wrote:
There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks).

Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20.

There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax.

You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.
A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality!

It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation.

Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a

shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc.

All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be.

If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into.

The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us.
Heartbeat & Southchurch road - you are both so right. X
[quote][p][bold]heartbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks). Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20. There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax. You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.[/p][/quote]A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality! It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation. Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc. All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be. If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into. The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us.[/p][/quote]Heartbeat & Southchurch road - you are both so right. X FoxyLady

8:00am Wed 27 Feb 13

pembury53 says...

FoxyLady wrote:
heartbeat wrote:
southchurchroad wrote: There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks). Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20. There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax. You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.
A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality! It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation. Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc. All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be. If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into. The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us.
Heartbeat & Southchurch road - you are both so right. X
Spot on...
[quote][p][bold]FoxyLady[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heartbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks). Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20. There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax. You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.[/p][/quote]A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality! It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation. Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc. All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be. If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into. The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us.[/p][/quote]Heartbeat & Southchurch road - you are both so right. X[/p][/quote]Spot on... pembury53

8:08am Wed 27 Feb 13

Soouthchurch59 says...

pembury53 wrote:
FoxyLady wrote:
heartbeat wrote:
southchurchroad wrote: There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks). Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20. There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax. You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.
A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality! It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation. Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc. All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be. If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into. The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us.
Heartbeat & Southchurch road - you are both so right. X
Spot on...
A pair of posts with point!
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FoxyLady[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heartbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks). Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20. There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax. You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.[/p][/quote]A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality! It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation. Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc. All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be. If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into. The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us.[/p][/quote]Heartbeat & Southchurch road - you are both so right. X[/p][/quote]Spot on...[/p][/quote]A pair of posts with point! Soouthchurch59

8:46am Wed 27 Feb 13

George80 says...

I can see both sides to this, there are plenty of people out there who will do whatever it takes to get a job but just seem to get knocked back, as a couple of examples someone i know who worked up in the City lost his job and now washes cars, but to him its a job, not saying there is anything wrong with washing cars but he's took whatever he could just so he can say he has a job. Another one is a useless waste of space he has been offered jobs and for every job he makes an excuse as to why he cant do it, the best being it cost too much to push bike to a location and to run his bike? then starts to kick up a fuss when what happened to this guy happened to him, he seemed to think looking at the echo and making up company names on his job sheet was enough, he was a little shocked when they started to check this out. the amazing thing about him is he pleads poverty yet he swims by taking advantage of this cheap pass thing, plays golf and cycles miles on that bike that would cost too much to run, as has been said if he put that much effort into getting a job he'd have one the fact is he doesnt want one until they stop his £70 pw and mortgage interest payments. bottom line is not everyon on JSA is the same and its easy for us that are fortunate to have jobs to judge, however dont feel sorry for all of them some are playing the system and giving everyone else a bad name.
I can see both sides to this, there are plenty of people out there who will do whatever it takes to get a job but just seem to get knocked back, as a couple of examples someone i know who worked up in the City lost his job and now washes cars, but to him its a job, not saying there is anything wrong with washing cars but he's took whatever he could just so he can say he has a job. Another one is a useless waste of space he has been offered jobs and for every job he makes an excuse as to why he cant do it, the best being it cost too much to push bike to a location and to run his bike? then starts to kick up a fuss when what happened to this guy happened to him, he seemed to think looking at the echo and making up company names on his job sheet was enough, he was a little shocked when they started to check this out. the amazing thing about him is he pleads poverty yet he swims by taking advantage of this cheap pass thing, plays golf and cycles miles on that bike that would cost too much to run, as has been said if he put that much effort into getting a job he'd have one the fact is he doesnt want one until they stop his £70 pw and mortgage interest payments. bottom line is not everyon on JSA is the same and its easy for us that are fortunate to have jobs to judge, however dont feel sorry for all of them some are playing the system and giving everyone else a bad name. George80

9:02am Wed 27 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

all those in sympathy are quite capable of making a financial contribution directly to mr cooke. shouldn't be too hard to find. he'll be the one wearing the baseball cap on tylers avenue. actually second thoughts...
the bleeding hearts are very good at spending other peoples' money.
all those in sympathy are quite capable of making a financial contribution directly to mr cooke. shouldn't be too hard to find. he'll be the one wearing the baseball cap on tylers avenue. actually second thoughts... the bleeding hearts are very good at spending other peoples' money. asbo in a coma

9:04am Wed 27 Feb 13

smiffy1980 says...

Bottom line: it is hard enough to get a job with qualifications and experience, let alone if you have none of the above. People from all different backgrounds are feeling the pinch and we have to adapt to change. Its as simple as that. There is work out there, but it all depends on what you are willing to do and how far your willing to go to seek work. Its all about work ethics. I have no sympathy for people who do not look for work which is more than 10 minutes walk from their houses. I know many people who have had to re-locate to other parts of the country for work. Did they want to? no......but given the choice between a paying job and nothing, they chose to move. If that isnt an option, go and educate yourself (whether this be through college courses or self taught) - We, as humans have extremely strong abilities to change and learn and this should be encouraged. No one said it was easy .It wasnt easy getting work in the good old days......
Bottom line: it is hard enough to get a job with qualifications and experience, let alone if you have none of the above. People from all different backgrounds are feeling the pinch and we have to adapt to change. Its as simple as that. There is work out there, but it all depends on what you are willing to do and how far your willing to go to seek work. Its all about work ethics. I have no sympathy for people who do not look for work which is more than 10 minutes walk from their houses. I know many people who have had to re-locate to other parts of the country for work. Did they want to? no......but given the choice between a paying job and nothing, they chose to move. If that isnt an option, go and educate yourself (whether this be through college courses or self taught) - We, as humans have extremely strong abilities to change and learn and this should be encouraged. No one said it was easy .It wasnt easy getting work in the good old days...... smiffy1980

9:33am Wed 27 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

George80 wrote:
I can see both sides to this, there are plenty of people out there who will do whatever it takes to get a job but just seem to get knocked back, as a couple of examples someone i know who worked up in the City lost his job and now washes cars, but to him its a job, not saying there is anything wrong with washing cars but he's took whatever he could just so he can say he has a job. Another one is a useless waste of space he has been offered jobs and for every job he makes an excuse as to why he cant do it, the best being it cost too much to push bike to a location and to run his bike? then starts to kick up a fuss when what happened to this guy happened to him, he seemed to think looking at the echo and making up company names on his job sheet was enough, he was a little shocked when they started to check this out. the amazing thing about him is he pleads poverty yet he swims by taking advantage of this cheap pass thing, plays golf and cycles miles on that bike that would cost too much to run, as has been said if he put that much effort into getting a job he'd have one the fact is he doesnt want one until they stop his £70 pw and mortgage interest payments. bottom line is not everyon on JSA is the same and its easy for us that are fortunate to have jobs to judge, however dont feel sorry for all of them some are playing the system and giving everyone else a bad name.
Well said. I continually try and point out that there are always two sides to a story, and in the recent item about the homeless shelter I was repeatedly shot down by the blinkered fluffy brigade, who did not even want a discussion but continued with their own beliefs that anybody who is out of work must receive as much as they can completely free.
Glad you have personal examples to show, not that it will provoke any reasonable response.
I wonder how long it will take for the abuse to start rolling in on your post?
[quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: I can see both sides to this, there are plenty of people out there who will do whatever it takes to get a job but just seem to get knocked back, as a couple of examples someone i know who worked up in the City lost his job and now washes cars, but to him its a job, not saying there is anything wrong with washing cars but he's took whatever he could just so he can say he has a job. Another one is a useless waste of space he has been offered jobs and for every job he makes an excuse as to why he cant do it, the best being it cost too much to push bike to a location and to run his bike? then starts to kick up a fuss when what happened to this guy happened to him, he seemed to think looking at the echo and making up company names on his job sheet was enough, he was a little shocked when they started to check this out. the amazing thing about him is he pleads poverty yet he swims by taking advantage of this cheap pass thing, plays golf and cycles miles on that bike that would cost too much to run, as has been said if he put that much effort into getting a job he'd have one the fact is he doesnt want one until they stop his £70 pw and mortgage interest payments. bottom line is not everyon on JSA is the same and its easy for us that are fortunate to have jobs to judge, however dont feel sorry for all of them some are playing the system and giving everyone else a bad name.[/p][/quote]Well said. I continually try and point out that there are always two sides to a story, and in the recent item about the homeless shelter I was repeatedly shot down by the blinkered fluffy brigade, who did not even want a discussion but continued with their own beliefs that anybody who is out of work must receive as much as they can completely free. Glad you have personal examples to show, not that it will provoke any reasonable response. I wonder how long it will take for the abuse to start rolling in on your post? stopmoaning1

9:34am Wed 27 Feb 13

Soouthchurch59 says...

Not even the most hard-boiled could argue (with any *real* conviction) that personal wealth (and more importantly the resources needed for basic survival) are not equitably distributed.

How to address the situation remains anther matter.
Not even the most hard-boiled could argue (with any *real* conviction) that personal wealth (and more importantly the resources needed for basic survival) are not equitably distributed. How to address the situation remains anther matter. Soouthchurch59

9:43am Wed 27 Feb 13

al coniston says...

I had the misfortune of being made redundant last year, following 20 years of employment and thus 20 years of tax and NI contributions. As luck would have it, i only needed to visit the Job Center three times as i was fortunate enough to find another job. However, what was apparent in those three visits to the Job Center was that while there were some people there who genuinely wanted to work, there was a significant number who seemed happy to just pick up benefits because the system was prime to be picked. As a tax paying worker, i have no problem with funding the benefit system for those with genuine problems with finding work, but i would happily pay less in tax and NI if it results in less financial benefits being paid to lazy bums who abuse the over-favourable benefit scheme in this country.
I had the misfortune of being made redundant last year, following 20 years of employment and thus 20 years of tax and NI contributions. As luck would have it, i only needed to visit the Job Center three times as i was fortunate enough to find another job. However, what was apparent in those three visits to the Job Center was that while there were some people there who genuinely wanted to work, there was a significant number who seemed happy to just pick up benefits because the system was prime to be picked. As a tax paying worker, i have no problem with funding the benefit system for those with genuine problems with finding work, but i would happily pay less in tax and NI if it results in less financial benefits being paid to lazy bums who abuse the over-favourable benefit scheme in this country. al coniston

10:04am Wed 27 Feb 13

ricardo62 says...

BIRLIS wrote:
OK, there seems to be some professional people on here. Mr Cooke, if you really want a job stop dicking about with protests and post here with your skills and experience. Let's see if the community can give you a helping hand.

I assume you are logging on to read about your story....
Hi im reading this with personal interest, and for what its worth my point of view i will add.
I am 50 yrs old and with a good selection of o levels my previous employment was a used car salesperson , of which i believe i was fairly good at , it helped having a father who was a sales director of a large national company ,as my mentor ,this was back in the early 80s , however i decided to give that line of work up and become an hgv class1 driver , (silly i know) i did this line of work up until 5 yrs ago when i had to leave my job owing to my elderly father contracting stomach cancer and take on the posiyion of caring for him in his last few months ,unfortunately in this time i was also diagnosed with sleep apnea which meant my hgv licence was recinded and i no longer can drive that class of vehicle.
Which brings me to the reason im writing this , i am finding it extremely hard to find employment ,i would like to get back into car sales , but im finding it impossible owing to the lack of recent experiance ,I cant do care work as i witnessed what was involved with my father and it would be to painfull memorys etc , im according to my job mentor overqualified for menial work , and my age will be against me, mc donalds etc , im sending e mails off every day but all to no avail ,so in one respect i can sympathise with the chap in the paper , its not easy and in my case im finding it near on impossible to find a job where i can use my skills to the best advantage , so if there is any employers reading this that would give me a chance i would be very gratefull i believe i have good empathy skills and will be an asset to a company ....ricardoroadnight
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[quote][p][bold]BIRLIS[/bold] wrote: OK, there seems to be some professional people on here. Mr Cooke, if you really want a job stop dicking about with protests and post here with your skills and experience. Let's see if the community can give you a helping hand. I assume you are logging on to read about your story....[/p][/quote]Hi im reading this with personal interest, and for what its worth my point of view i will add. I am 50 yrs old and with a good selection of o levels my previous employment was a used car salesperson , of which i believe i was fairly good at , it helped having a father who was a sales director of a large national company ,as my mentor ,this was back in the early 80s , however i decided to give that line of work up and become an hgv class1 driver , (silly i know) i did this line of work up until 5 yrs ago when i had to leave my job owing to my elderly father contracting stomach cancer and take on the posiyion of caring for him in his last few months ,unfortunately in this time i was also diagnosed with sleep apnea which meant my hgv licence was recinded and i no longer can drive that class of vehicle. Which brings me to the reason im writing this , i am finding it extremely hard to find employment ,i would like to get back into car sales , but im finding it impossible owing to the lack of recent experiance ,I cant do care work as i witnessed what was involved with my father and it would be to painfull memorys etc , im according to my job mentor overqualified for menial work , and my age will be against me, mc donalds etc , im sending e mails off every day but all to no avail ,so in one respect i can sympathise with the chap in the paper , its not easy and in my case im finding it near on impossible to find a job where i can use my skills to the best advantage , so if there is any employers reading this that would give me a chance i would be very gratefull i believe i have good empathy skills and will be an asset to a company ....ricardoroadnight @googlemail.com ricardo62

10:07am Wed 27 Feb 13

George80 says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
George80 wrote: I can see both sides to this, there are plenty of people out there who will do whatever it takes to get a job but just seem to get knocked back, as a couple of examples someone i know who worked up in the City lost his job and now washes cars, but to him its a job, not saying there is anything wrong with washing cars but he's took whatever he could just so he can say he has a job. Another one is a useless waste of space he has been offered jobs and for every job he makes an excuse as to why he cant do it, the best being it cost too much to push bike to a location and to run his bike? then starts to kick up a fuss when what happened to this guy happened to him, he seemed to think looking at the echo and making up company names on his job sheet was enough, he was a little shocked when they started to check this out. the amazing thing about him is he pleads poverty yet he swims by taking advantage of this cheap pass thing, plays golf and cycles miles on that bike that would cost too much to run, as has been said if he put that much effort into getting a job he'd have one the fact is he doesnt want one until they stop his £70 pw and mortgage interest payments. bottom line is not everyon on JSA is the same and its easy for us that are fortunate to have jobs to judge, however dont feel sorry for all of them some are playing the system and giving everyone else a bad name.
Well said. I continually try and point out that there are always two sides to a story, and in the recent item about the homeless shelter I was repeatedly shot down by the blinkered fluffy brigade, who did not even want a discussion but continued with their own beliefs that anybody who is out of work must receive as much as they can completely free. Glad you have personal examples to show, not that it will provoke any reasonable response. I wonder how long it will take for the abuse to start rolling in on your post?
Thanks. im not bothered what people say in all honesty as they are just my examples of the people i know who have been out of work. i dont agree with give them everything as in the end it doesnt help, that fella im talking about has now been at this for over 2 years, and he never even went to the dentist until it was free, he now spends his time between the Dentist because its free, Garron park, the golf course on his bike and in several pubs for weekend drinking sessions. he doesnt need to work as all his needs are taken care of
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: I can see both sides to this, there are plenty of people out there who will do whatever it takes to get a job but just seem to get knocked back, as a couple of examples someone i know who worked up in the City lost his job and now washes cars, but to him its a job, not saying there is anything wrong with washing cars but he's took whatever he could just so he can say he has a job. Another one is a useless waste of space he has been offered jobs and for every job he makes an excuse as to why he cant do it, the best being it cost too much to push bike to a location and to run his bike? then starts to kick up a fuss when what happened to this guy happened to him, he seemed to think looking at the echo and making up company names on his job sheet was enough, he was a little shocked when they started to check this out. the amazing thing about him is he pleads poverty yet he swims by taking advantage of this cheap pass thing, plays golf and cycles miles on that bike that would cost too much to run, as has been said if he put that much effort into getting a job he'd have one the fact is he doesnt want one until they stop his £70 pw and mortgage interest payments. bottom line is not everyon on JSA is the same and its easy for us that are fortunate to have jobs to judge, however dont feel sorry for all of them some are playing the system and giving everyone else a bad name.[/p][/quote]Well said. I continually try and point out that there are always two sides to a story, and in the recent item about the homeless shelter I was repeatedly shot down by the blinkered fluffy brigade, who did not even want a discussion but continued with their own beliefs that anybody who is out of work must receive as much as they can completely free. Glad you have personal examples to show, not that it will provoke any reasonable response. I wonder how long it will take for the abuse to start rolling in on your post?[/p][/quote]Thanks. im not bothered what people say in all honesty as they are just my examples of the people i know who have been out of work. i dont agree with give them everything as in the end it doesnt help, that fella im talking about has now been at this for over 2 years, and he never even went to the dentist until it was free, he now spends his time between the Dentist because its free, Garron park, the golf course on his bike and in several pubs for weekend drinking sessions. he doesnt need to work as all his needs are taken care of George80

10:37am Wed 27 Feb 13

Tiger Rider says...

For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS. Tiger Rider

10:49am Wed 27 Feb 13

Tiger Rider says...

There is not enough work paying a living wage. Benefit sanctions will have a knock on effect in other areas, you will see more homelessness, more begging, more muggings, more robberies and theft, you may even see riots. The welfare reforms have not been though through properly, the sick and disabled are now being forced onto JSA when they really are unable to work meaning they will be sanctioned, those in the WRAG group are also forced into 'work related activity' and are at great risk of being sanctioned when they are unwell. Those suffering from severe mental health problems have seen their support cut which is essential for the care in the community programme to work properly it now only lasts 2 years, they are then left alone and vulnerable. Unable to cope with government forms many will loose their homes and the food bank will be under greater pressure. There are not enough hospital beds for those suffering from mental health issues and those that really need sectioning are a risk to both themselves and in some cases others too.
There is not enough work paying a living wage. Benefit sanctions will have a knock on effect in other areas, you will see more homelessness, more begging, more muggings, more robberies and theft, you may even see riots. The welfare reforms have not been though through properly, the sick and disabled are now being forced onto JSA when they really are unable to work meaning they will be sanctioned, those in the WRAG group are also forced into 'work related activity' and are at great risk of being sanctioned when they are unwell. Those suffering from severe mental health problems have seen their support cut which is essential for the care in the community programme to work properly it now only lasts 2 years, they are then left alone and vulnerable. Unable to cope with government forms many will loose their homes and the food bank will be under greater pressure. There are not enough hospital beds for those suffering from mental health issues and those that really need sectioning are a risk to both themselves and in some cases others too. Tiger Rider

10:51am Wed 27 Feb 13

George80 says...

Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
[quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this. George80

10:57am Wed 27 Feb 13

Tiger Rider says...

George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
[quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!! Tiger Rider

11:04am Wed 27 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
[quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue. asbo in a coma

11:35am Wed 27 Feb 13

Tiger Rider says...

asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.
[quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.[/p][/quote]Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it. Tiger Rider

11:51am Wed 27 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

well on this issue you and i agree. exit the european union and make foreign nationals require work visas
well on this issue you and i agree. exit the european union and make foreign nationals require work visas asbo in a coma

11:53am Wed 27 Feb 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK.


Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?
[quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.[/p][/quote]Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK. Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now? Shoebury_Cyclist

11:54am Wed 27 Feb 13

Tiger Rider says...

Tiger Rider wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.
Oh and while I'm at it what the hell make you think I vote labour??? they were the idiots who commissioned David Freud to come up with these idiot reforms. As for learn a relevant skill, what relevant skill? how do the unemployed fund the education for these relevant skills? These reforms are punishing the many hard workers out there that have lost their jobs for the fecklessness of the few. Benefit sanctions have only just started to kick in and don't forget desperate people do desperate things, not a week goes by without some sort of theft, burglary, mugging or robbery in the Echo, and thats just the ones reported. This will get worse and I fear for the safety of the old and vulnerable.
[quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.[/p][/quote]Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.[/p][/quote]Oh and while I'm at it what the hell make you think I vote labour??? they were the idiots who commissioned David Freud to come up with these idiot reforms. As for learn a relevant skill, what relevant skill? how do the unemployed fund the education for these relevant skills? These reforms are punishing the many hard workers out there that have lost their jobs for the fecklessness of the few. Benefit sanctions have only just started to kick in and don't forget desperate people do desperate things, not a week goes by without some sort of theft, burglary, mugging or robbery in the Echo, and thats just the ones reported. This will get worse and I fear for the safety of the old and vulnerable. Tiger Rider

11:57am Wed 27 Feb 13

George80 says...

Tiger Rider wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.
ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished
[quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.[/p][/quote]Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.[/p][/quote]ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished George80

12:22pm Wed 27 Feb 13

smiffy1980 says...

said it before and I say it again .Its all down to work ethics. The simple facts are a vast majority of eastern europeans are very hard workers and put the hours in. Compared to the vast majority of Brits who want to do as little work for mega money . Not true in all cases but more often than not its the case.
Example being from experience where Brittish tradesmen generally turn up to work about 7am - have their coffee and fag, start work at 8am and down tools at 3-4pm. Recent polish workers I had work. Turn up to start work at 7am and work through till 5pm. Only breaking for lunch. Quality of work was second to none and their rate was much better.

Now before everyone jumps on this, I know its not the case every time and there are exceptions to every scenario. This is just based on facts and personal experience.

Get the right work ethic in anything that you do or want to do and you will get/find/retain work.
said it before and I say it again .Its all down to work ethics. The simple facts are a vast majority of eastern europeans are very hard workers and put the hours in. Compared to the vast majority of Brits who want to do as little work for mega money . Not true in all cases but more often than not its the case. Example being from experience where Brittish tradesmen generally turn up to work about 7am - have their coffee and fag, start work at 8am and down tools at 3-4pm. Recent polish workers I had work. Turn up to start work at 7am and work through till 5pm. Only breaking for lunch. Quality of work was second to none and their rate was much better. Now before everyone jumps on this, I know its not the case every time and there are exceptions to every scenario. This is just based on facts and personal experience. Get the right work ethic in anything that you do or want to do and you will get/find/retain work. smiffy1980

12:28pm Wed 27 Feb 13

DrSpiffSpaffington says...

asbo in a coma wrote:
well on this issue you and i agree. exit the european union and make foreign nationals require work visas
Thats what UKIP wants to do
[quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: well on this issue you and i agree. exit the european union and make foreign nationals require work visas[/p][/quote]Thats what UKIP wants to do DrSpiffSpaffington

12:33pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Tiger Rider says...

George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.
ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished
Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic.
[quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.[/p][/quote]Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.[/p][/quote]ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished[/p][/quote]Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic. Tiger Rider

12:46pm Wed 27 Feb 13

reptile says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK.


Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?
Suppose it's because we are now plumbing the depths immigration wise.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.[/p][/quote]Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK. Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?[/p][/quote]Suppose it's because we are now plumbing the depths immigration wise. reptile

12:52pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Tiger Rider says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK.


Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?
I have no problem with immigration either as long as it's not to the detriment of those who live here. The problem I have is with MASS IMMIGRATION which is totally different, this has seen all services under immense pressure, ie NHS, education, infrastructure, not enough affordable housing means demand outstrips supply, and of course less work that pays a living wage means that more people will claim benefits wether that means in work benefits such as tax credits or unemployment benefit which is subject to sanction. We also need to understand that much of the money earned or claimed from the benefits system by immigrants in this country is sent back to their home land. The evidence of this is on our streets in the form of money transfer shops. This is not good for our economy. Mass immigration also drives our standard of living down wages suffer, and housing supply is not enough or affordable.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.[/p][/quote]Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK. Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?[/p][/quote]I have no problem with immigration either as long as it's not to the detriment of those who live here. The problem I have is with MASS IMMIGRATION which is totally different, this has seen all services under immense pressure, ie NHS, education, infrastructure, not enough affordable housing means demand outstrips supply, and of course less work that pays a living wage means that more people will claim benefits wether that means in work benefits such as tax credits or unemployment benefit which is subject to sanction. We also need to understand that much of the money earned or claimed from the benefits system by immigrants in this country is sent back to their home land. The evidence of this is on our streets in the form of money transfer shops. This is not good for our economy. Mass immigration also drives our standard of living down wages suffer, and housing supply is not enough or affordable. Tiger Rider

1:01pm Wed 27 Feb 13

pembury53 says...

reptile wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK. Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?
Suppose it's because we are now plumbing the depths immigration wise.
Why should things change now ? .... Well partly because the population is pushing relentlessly towards 70M and beyond, and is simply unsustainable... It is true that this country has been an 'immigrant nation' since pre-history as you put it, but up until around the 1700's the entire world population was only a few million... Immigrant birth rates are soaring, partly cultural but also i suspect because they know the benefit of it in the UK and we already have just about the highest population density in the western world... How anyone except the profiteers who will run away from the mess and retire with their fortunes somewhere hot, can think this is 'good for britain' simply beggars belief
[quote][p][bold]reptile[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.[/p][/quote]Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK. Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?[/p][/quote]Suppose it's because we are now plumbing the depths immigration wise.[/p][/quote]Why should things change now ? .... Well partly because the population is pushing relentlessly towards 70M and beyond, and is simply unsustainable... It is true that this country has been an 'immigrant nation' since pre-history as you put it, but up until around the 1700's the entire world population was only a few million... Immigrant birth rates are soaring, partly cultural but also i suspect because they know the benefit of it in the UK and we already have just about the highest population density in the western world... How anyone except the profiteers who will run away from the mess and retire with their fortunes somewhere hot, can think this is 'good for britain' simply beggars belief pembury53

1:02pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Noteworthy says...

What I find interesting is how the story doesn't mention how long Mr Cooke has been out of work.

I had to go on Jobseekers a few years ago when I was made redundant. I didn't do it straight away - didn't like the idea of being on Benefits. £65 a week though helped me to travel to interviews, put petrol in the car, but then I had n living expenses - moved back with parents and gave up my flat to save money.

Still, I was on JSA for four months and found a job. Now I run my own (small) business.

The job seeking form did indeed consist of 'I searched job website, applied and followed up' but at the same time, I actually did this. Not concentrating on my specialist area of Journalism - which is incredibly hard to get a job in - but also retail work. Lucky I found a position in the end.

Work is out there if you're willing to take it, and if you are not, expect the consequences.

Again, how long has Mr Cooke been in receipt of JSA?
What I find interesting is how the story doesn't mention how long Mr Cooke has been out of work. I had to go on Jobseekers a few years ago when I was made redundant. I didn't do it straight away - didn't like the idea of being on Benefits. £65 a week though helped me to travel to interviews, put petrol in the car, but then I had n living expenses - moved back with parents and gave up my flat to save money. Still, I was on JSA for four months and found a job. Now I run my own (small) business. The job seeking form did indeed consist of 'I searched job website, applied and followed up' but at the same time, I actually did this. Not concentrating on my specialist area of Journalism - which is incredibly hard to get a job in - but also retail work. Lucky I found a position in the end. Work is out there if you're willing to take it, and if you are not, expect the consequences. Again, how long has Mr Cooke been in receipt of JSA? Noteworthy

1:04pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Alekhine says...

Tiger Rider wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK. Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?
I have no problem with immigration either as long as it's not to the detriment of those who live here. The problem I have is with MASS IMMIGRATION which is totally different, this has seen all services under immense pressure, ie NHS, education, infrastructure, not enough affordable housing means demand outstrips supply, and of course less work that pays a living wage means that more people will claim benefits wether that means in work benefits such as tax credits or unemployment benefit which is subject to sanction. We also need to understand that much of the money earned or claimed from the benefits system by immigrants in this country is sent back to their home land. The evidence of this is on our streets in the form of money transfer shops. This is not good for our economy. Mass immigration also drives our standard of living down wages suffer, and housing supply is not enough or affordable.
I agree. That's the problem in a nutshell.
[quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.[/p][/quote]Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK. Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?[/p][/quote]I have no problem with immigration either as long as it's not to the detriment of those who live here. The problem I have is with MASS IMMIGRATION which is totally different, this has seen all services under immense pressure, ie NHS, education, infrastructure, not enough affordable housing means demand outstrips supply, and of course less work that pays a living wage means that more people will claim benefits wether that means in work benefits such as tax credits or unemployment benefit which is subject to sanction. We also need to understand that much of the money earned or claimed from the benefits system by immigrants in this country is sent back to their home land. The evidence of this is on our streets in the form of money transfer shops. This is not good for our economy. Mass immigration also drives our standard of living down wages suffer, and housing supply is not enough or affordable.[/p][/quote]I agree. That's the problem in a nutshell. Alekhine

1:06pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Tiger Rider says...

Tiger Rider wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK.


Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?
I have no problem with immigration either as long as it's not to the detriment of those who live here. The problem I have is with MASS IMMIGRATION which is totally different, this has seen all services under immense pressure, ie NHS, education, infrastructure, not enough affordable housing means demand outstrips supply, and of course less work that pays a living wage means that more people will claim benefits wether that means in work benefits such as tax credits or unemployment benefit which is subject to sanction. We also need to understand that much of the money earned or claimed from the benefits system by immigrants in this country is sent back to their home land. The evidence of this is on our streets in the form of money transfer shops. This is not good for our economy. Mass immigration also drives our standard of living down wages suffer, and housing supply is not enough or affordable.
You're right about Camoron he did promise more relaxed immigration rules re India and all of the 3 main parties are pro immigration no matter what they say, it is in their own personal interests. They know that mass immigration means more workers for less wages, higher house prices and higher rents. Most politicians have large property portfolios. They simply don't care about the struggles of those who don't earn a living wage, they don't care that our young people will never be able to afford to buy a home, some are still living at home with their parents because they can't even afford rent, and some are in their 40s!!! just as long as they collect their rents and profits from their companies on the backs of the low paid and are able to curry favour with their friends in the form of lucrative contracts ie Emma Harrison A4E and ATOS.
[quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.[/p][/quote]Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK. Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?[/p][/quote]I have no problem with immigration either as long as it's not to the detriment of those who live here. The problem I have is with MASS IMMIGRATION which is totally different, this has seen all services under immense pressure, ie NHS, education, infrastructure, not enough affordable housing means demand outstrips supply, and of course less work that pays a living wage means that more people will claim benefits wether that means in work benefits such as tax credits or unemployment benefit which is subject to sanction. We also need to understand that much of the money earned or claimed from the benefits system by immigrants in this country is sent back to their home land. The evidence of this is on our streets in the form of money transfer shops. This is not good for our economy. Mass immigration also drives our standard of living down wages suffer, and housing supply is not enough or affordable.[/p][/quote]You're right about Camoron he did promise more relaxed immigration rules re India and all of the 3 main parties are pro immigration no matter what they say, it is in their own personal interests. They know that mass immigration means more workers for less wages, higher house prices and higher rents. Most politicians have large property portfolios. They simply don't care about the struggles of those who don't earn a living wage, they don't care that our young people will never be able to afford to buy a home, some are still living at home with their parents because they can't even afford rent, and some are in their 40s!!! just as long as they collect their rents and profits from their companies on the backs of the low paid and are able to curry favour with their friends in the form of lucrative contracts ie Emma Harrison A4E and ATOS. Tiger Rider

1:06pm Wed 27 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK.


Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?
the floodgates opened under labour. their estimates for immigration were wrong by a factor of 15. immigration should be selective and targeted not blanket.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.[/p][/quote]Pointing the finger at Labour over immigration is disingenuous at best. Cameron was just in India promising more relaxed immigration policy between India and the UK. Personally I have no problem at all with immigration. The British Isles have been an immigrant nation since pre-history. Why should things change now?[/p][/quote]the floodgates opened under labour. their estimates for immigration were wrong by a factor of 15. immigration should be selective and targeted not blanket. asbo in a coma

1:10pm Wed 27 Feb 13

George80 says...

Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.
ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished
Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic.
One of my examples worked in the City lost his job and is now washing cars for a living, he isnt loaded or very well off by anyones standard but he is providing for himself and his family in a way the other one just wouldnt, he has that attitude of im better off on benefits, and by the time his mortgage interest is paid and not paying petrol costs to get to work he's only about £50 a week down on what he would be doing aminimum wage job, but as ive said to hime time and time again sometimes you have to restart at the bottom in a compnany to get opportunitys. again there are plenty out there that will jump at the opportunity to work for minimum wage just so they have a job and many more that wont. and thats why a wage type scheme wont work, because you will still have this attitude in some people and if there on more money they wont ever work again. it amazes me though how quick he and others i know on JSA will jump up and do some cash in hand work. Help needs to be there for the genuine that are in trouble and do want to work, the others need to have there benefits dropped like him and maybe even this charcter i cant say on that as i dont know him.
[quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.[/p][/quote]Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.[/p][/quote]ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished[/p][/quote]Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic.[/p][/quote]One of my examples worked in the City lost his job and is now washing cars for a living, he isnt loaded or very well off by anyones standard but he is providing for himself and his family in a way the other one just wouldnt, he has that attitude of im better off on benefits, and by the time his mortgage interest is paid and not paying petrol costs to get to work he's only about £50 a week down on what he would be doing aminimum wage job, but as ive said to hime time and time again sometimes you have to restart at the bottom in a compnany to get opportunitys. again there are plenty out there that will jump at the opportunity to work for minimum wage just so they have a job and many more that wont. and thats why a wage type scheme wont work, because you will still have this attitude in some people and if there on more money they wont ever work again. it amazes me though how quick he and others i know on JSA will jump up and do some cash in hand work. Help needs to be there for the genuine that are in trouble and do want to work, the others need to have there benefits dropped like him and maybe even this charcter i cant say on that as i dont know him. George80

1:13pm Wed 27 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.
ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished
Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic.
they are not the minority. to be eligible for job seekers allowance you have to be actively looking for work. put the effort in, evidence it and you are not denied your benefit. it's as simple as that. if you think an unemployed person should be remunerated more than an employed person you are misguided.
[quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.[/p][/quote]Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.[/p][/quote]ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished[/p][/quote]Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic.[/p][/quote]they are not the minority. to be eligible for job seekers allowance you have to be actively looking for work. put the effort in, evidence it and you are not denied your benefit. it's as simple as that. if you think an unemployed person should be remunerated more than an employed person you are misguided. asbo in a coma

1:14pm Wed 27 Feb 13

I hate the police says...

heartbeat wrote:
southchurchroad wrote:
There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks).

Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20.

There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax.

You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.
A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality!

It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation.

Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a

shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc.

All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be.

If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into.

The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us.
I think its best to just become a drug dealer. No taxes or anything.
[quote][p][bold]heartbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks). Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20. There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax. You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.[/p][/quote]A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality! It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation. Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc. All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be. If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into. The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us.[/p][/quote]I think its best to just become a drug dealer. No taxes or anything. I hate the police

1:19pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Tiger Rider says...

Noteworthy wrote:
What I find interesting is how the story doesn't mention how long Mr Cooke has been out of work.

I had to go on Jobseekers a few years ago when I was made redundant. I didn't do it straight away - didn't like the idea of being on Benefits. £65 a week though helped me to travel to interviews, put petrol in the car, but then I had n living expenses - moved back with parents and gave up my flat to save money.

Still, I was on JSA for four months and found a job. Now I run my own (small) business.

The job seeking form did indeed consist of 'I searched job website, applied and followed up' but at the same time, I actually did this. Not concentrating on my specialist area of Journalism - which is incredibly hard to get a job in - but also retail work. Lucky I found a position in the end.

Work is out there if you're willing to take it, and if you are not, expect the consequences.

Again, how long has Mr Cooke been in receipt of JSA?
Well aren't you the lucky one having parents to fall back on. You obviously have no idea what problems min wage earners without supportive parents face or you would have had to claim benefits straight away. It's a lot easier starting up a small business or taking low paid work if you are living at home with your mum and dad, than struggling to pay private rent without falling into arrears and facing destitution. If your small business grows and you need to employ staff I hope you will pay them a living wage.
[quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: What I find interesting is how the story doesn't mention how long Mr Cooke has been out of work. I had to go on Jobseekers a few years ago when I was made redundant. I didn't do it straight away - didn't like the idea of being on Benefits. £65 a week though helped me to travel to interviews, put petrol in the car, but then I had n living expenses - moved back with parents and gave up my flat to save money. Still, I was on JSA for four months and found a job. Now I run my own (small) business. The job seeking form did indeed consist of 'I searched job website, applied and followed up' but at the same time, I actually did this. Not concentrating on my specialist area of Journalism - which is incredibly hard to get a job in - but also retail work. Lucky I found a position in the end. Work is out there if you're willing to take it, and if you are not, expect the consequences. Again, how long has Mr Cooke been in receipt of JSA?[/p][/quote]Well aren't you the lucky one having parents to fall back on. You obviously have no idea what problems min wage earners without supportive parents face or you would have had to claim benefits straight away. It's a lot easier starting up a small business or taking low paid work if you are living at home with your mum and dad, than struggling to pay private rent without falling into arrears and facing destitution. If your small business grows and you need to employ staff I hope you will pay them a living wage. Tiger Rider

1:53pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Tiger Rider says...

asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.
ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished
Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic.
they are not the minority. to be eligible for job seekers allowance you have to be actively looking for work. put the effort in, evidence it and you are not denied your benefit. it's as simple as that. if you think an unemployed person should be remunerated more than an employed person you are misguided.
Well thats just silly of course the unemployed should not be paid more than those who work, and yes they should be looking for work but the problem is a much more complex one. Those who are unemployed with private rent to pay are at a disadvantage when looking for work that will pay them a living wage and we should all be striving for a living wage. We are constantly being told that we should save for a pension, (they have even raised the pensionable age) but how the hell can we do that when the min wage hardly affords the most basic cost of living? the policies of the 3 main parties are impoverishing the working poor even more and will continue to do so if we keep on working for less and paying more for homes.
[quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.[/p][/quote]Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.[/p][/quote]ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished[/p][/quote]Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic.[/p][/quote]they are not the minority. to be eligible for job seekers allowance you have to be actively looking for work. put the effort in, evidence it and you are not denied your benefit. it's as simple as that. if you think an unemployed person should be remunerated more than an employed person you are misguided.[/p][/quote]Well thats just silly of course the unemployed should not be paid more than those who work, and yes they should be looking for work but the problem is a much more complex one. Those who are unemployed with private rent to pay are at a disadvantage when looking for work that will pay them a living wage and we should all be striving for a living wage. We are constantly being told that we should save for a pension, (they have even raised the pensionable age) but how the hell can we do that when the min wage hardly affords the most basic cost of living? the policies of the 3 main parties are impoverishing the working poor even more and will continue to do so if we keep on working for less and paying more for homes. Tiger Rider

1:59pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Tiger Rider says...

I hate the police wrote:
heartbeat wrote:
southchurchroad wrote:
There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks).

Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20.

There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax.

You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.
A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality!

It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation.

Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a


shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc.

All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be.

If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into.

The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us.
I think its best to just become a drug dealer. No taxes or anything.
Hate to say this but the way things are going you could be right. One things for sure black market goods wether they be drugs or something that fell off the back of a lorry will always do well in a recession or in this particular case when folk are having their benefits sanctioned.
[quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heartbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: There are at least 12 people seeking every job available in Southend. If every vacancy was filled, there would still be thousands of people without jobs. So, rather than have them and their families starve or resort to crime, they get paid a paltry sum per week, barely enough to cover the basics (as evidenced by the five-fold increase in people reliant on food banks). Training courses have been slashed down to basically nothing. People are getting sanctioned for pretty much nothing, or shunted onto "work training" schemes that essentially give multimillion pound corporations free labour at taxpayers expense. Take the most recent scheme to get people taken off incapacity benefit into work- a 5 billion pound program. Total taken off incapacity- 9500. Total that found work through the program? 20. There are scroungers in this country, but they tend to already be very, very rich, and intent on fooling the majority that the very poor are actually to blame. They are the corporations and banks that dodge hundreds of billions in tax. You can't get a job easily if you tried, just like 12 people can't be fed on a single portion of food. But hey, back to daily mail style avoidance of the facts (simple mathematics really), they are all obviously too lazy and feckless to work imaginary jobs.[/p][/quote]A lot of the comments on here about getting off your a@se and getting a job are so out of touch with reality! It is not easy by any stretch of the imagination for a lot of people to get a job these days, and many employers (e.g. certain council theatre hospitality departments) only offer casual "we'll ring you when we need you" type work. (Many such employers also shortly beforehand to say staff are not needed, or send staff home early to reduce the wages they need pay). How on earth anyone with these jobs is expected to budget and pay the bills, let alone save for the future, I do not know. And yet, under Government rules, as I understand it someone who left this kind of employment would be heavily penalised with benefit stopped for several weeks. Catch 22 situation. Today I passed a young man of around 20 sitting in the cold near Sainsburys who looked clean, wasn't scruffy, spoke politely and sounded very embarrassed when he quietly asked if I could spare any change. Not your typical dosser/druggy/drunk and it made me feel embarrassed/guilty/a shamed. He may have been "released" from care into the big wide world, or kicked out of home by family conflict or whatever else. I know from my own family's experiences that work can be very difficult to find and also that self-employment often means non-payment, which can leave people in dire straits particularly if they have paid out for materials, petrol etc. All those who are so quick to judge need to get used to this situation with all the dreadful cuts this Government is making, not just to jobseeker benefits but the disabled too. I think we are all going to need to be very thick-skinned as we walk around being asked for money by people who are increasingly less like the stereotypical dossers the Government would like to brainwash us to believe anyone on benefits must be. If you really couldn't give a monkey's about walking past freezing beggars (people like you or me who have fallen on hard times, maybe fallen ill and have reached the time limit of getting mortgage interest benefit etc.) then maybe you will start to care when you can't walk down the street without much greater fear than now of being mugged, or having your home broken into. The savage benefit cuts will affect us all, even the "I'm alright Jack, why cant everyone get a job like I've done" types among us.[/p][/quote]I think its best to just become a drug dealer. No taxes or anything.[/p][/quote]Hate to say this but the way things are going you could be right. One things for sure black market goods wether they be drugs or something that fell off the back of a lorry will always do well in a recession or in this particular case when folk are having their benefits sanctioned. Tiger Rider

2:05pm Wed 27 Feb 13

ORACUS says...

2 pages of job search is a days worth give him a days money as for homelessness he should have claimed housing benefit and hardship payments.

In the last quarter of last year the number of people of working age in work increased by 154 thousand however the number of people of working age not in work only decreased by 108 thousand these are official statistics.

Its obvious that 46 thousand people arrived in the UK and found work almost immediately in that quarter mostly from eastern Europe.

As for work ethic its not ethics its fear or desperation those thing that employers love they make employees ignore health and safety regs keep their mouths shut about crime and cause the secretary to bend over the desk when the boss demands it a step backwards in employment rights.

All the mainstream political parties have had the opportunity to wipe their bottoms on the treaty that allows eastern Europeans to live and work here.

If and its a big if the government gets around to doing its duty 1.5 million will go home a least 1 million will suddenly have work and unemployment will no longer be a issue.

The third Reich = The big society.
The Jews = The unemployed..

Have they started building death camps yet will they use polish labour?
2 pages of job search is a days worth give him a days money as for homelessness he should have claimed housing benefit and hardship payments. In the last quarter of last year the number of people of working age in work increased by 154 thousand however the number of people of working age not in work only decreased by 108 thousand these are official statistics. Its obvious that 46 thousand people arrived in the UK and found work almost immediately in that quarter mostly from eastern Europe. As for work ethic its not ethics its fear or desperation those thing that employers love they make employees ignore health and safety regs keep their mouths shut about crime and cause the secretary to bend over the desk when the boss demands it a step backwards in employment rights. All the mainstream political parties have had the opportunity to wipe their bottoms on the treaty that allows eastern Europeans to live and work here. If and its a big if the government gets around to doing its duty 1.5 million will go home a least 1 million will suddenly have work and unemployment will no longer be a issue. The third Reich = The big society. The Jews = The unemployed.. Have they started building death camps yet will they use polish labour? ORACUS

2:10pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Tiger Rider says...

George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.
ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished
Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic.
One of my examples worked in the City lost his job and is now washing cars for a living, he isnt loaded or very well off by anyones standard but he is providing for himself and his family in a way the other one just wouldnt, he has that attitude of im better off on benefits, and by the time his mortgage interest is paid and not paying petrol costs to get to work he's only about £50 a week down on what he would be doing aminimum wage job, but as ive said to hime time and time again sometimes you have to restart at the bottom in a compnany to get opportunitys. again there are plenty out there that will jump at the opportunity to work for minimum wage just so they have a job and many more that wont. and thats why a wage type scheme wont work, because you will still have this attitude in some people and if there on more money they wont ever work again. it amazes me though how quick he and others i know on JSA will jump up and do some cash in hand work. Help needs to be there for the genuine that are in trouble and do want to work, the others need to have there benefits dropped like him and maybe even this charcter i cant say on that as i dont know him.
If he's providing for his family he is also getting child tax credits and child benefit, they are all benefits. Sometimes child benefit & child tax credits depending on how many you have can be worth more than the wages you earn. A previous job in the city and mortgage eligibility would indicate he was on good money and may have quite a bit in savings meaning he can afford to do low paid work but for how long? The job market is looking very grim. The reality for those who are single with no dependent kids is very different they hardly get any in work benefits. NO ONE WHO WORKS FOR A LIVING SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE INDIGNITY OF CLAIMING BENEFITS THEY SHOULD ALL BE PAID A LIVING WAGE AFTER ALL THEY HAVE EARNED IT.
[quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.[/p][/quote]Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.[/p][/quote]ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished[/p][/quote]Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic.[/p][/quote]One of my examples worked in the City lost his job and is now washing cars for a living, he isnt loaded or very well off by anyones standard but he is providing for himself and his family in a way the other one just wouldnt, he has that attitude of im better off on benefits, and by the time his mortgage interest is paid and not paying petrol costs to get to work he's only about £50 a week down on what he would be doing aminimum wage job, but as ive said to hime time and time again sometimes you have to restart at the bottom in a compnany to get opportunitys. again there are plenty out there that will jump at the opportunity to work for minimum wage just so they have a job and many more that wont. and thats why a wage type scheme wont work, because you will still have this attitude in some people and if there on more money they wont ever work again. it amazes me though how quick he and others i know on JSA will jump up and do some cash in hand work. Help needs to be there for the genuine that are in trouble and do want to work, the others need to have there benefits dropped like him and maybe even this charcter i cant say on that as i dont know him.[/p][/quote]If he's providing for his family he is also getting child tax credits and child benefit, they are all benefits. Sometimes child benefit & child tax credits depending on how many you have can be worth more than the wages you earn. A previous job in the city and mortgage eligibility would indicate he was on good money and may have quite a bit in savings meaning he can afford to do low paid work but for how long? The job market is looking very grim. The reality for those who are single with no dependent kids is very different they hardly get any in work benefits. NO ONE WHO WORKS FOR A LIVING SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE INDIGNITY OF CLAIMING BENEFITS THEY SHOULD ALL BE PAID A LIVING WAGE AFTER ALL THEY HAVE EARNED IT. Tiger Rider

2:21pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Tiger Rider says...

ORACUS wrote:
2 pages of job search is a days worth give him a days money as for homelessness he should have claimed housing benefit and hardship payments.

In the last quarter of last year the number of people of working age in work increased by 154 thousand however the number of people of working age not in work only decreased by 108 thousand these are official statistics.

Its obvious that 46 thousand people arrived in the UK and found work almost immediately in that quarter mostly from eastern Europe.

As for work ethic its not ethics its fear or desperation those thing that employers love they make employees ignore health and safety regs keep their mouths shut about crime and cause the secretary to bend over the desk when the boss demands it a step backwards in employment rights.

All the mainstream political parties have had the opportunity to wipe their bottoms on the treaty that allows eastern Europeans to live and work here.

If and its a big if the government gets around to doing its duty 1.5 million will go home a least 1 million will suddenly have work and unemployment will no longer be a issue.

The third Reich = The big society.
The Jews = The unemployed..

Have they started building death camps yet will they use polish labour?
Don't know if housing benefit is payable if your JSA has been sanctioned but hardship payments are in the form of a loan you have to pay back which will push those who claim it further into any debt they already have. Of those that have found work it is mainly temporary part time min wage, many of those would have been extra staff taken on for christmas
[quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: 2 pages of job search is a days worth give him a days money as for homelessness he should have claimed housing benefit and hardship payments. In the last quarter of last year the number of people of working age in work increased by 154 thousand however the number of people of working age not in work only decreased by 108 thousand these are official statistics. Its obvious that 46 thousand people arrived in the UK and found work almost immediately in that quarter mostly from eastern Europe. As for work ethic its not ethics its fear or desperation those thing that employers love they make employees ignore health and safety regs keep their mouths shut about crime and cause the secretary to bend over the desk when the boss demands it a step backwards in employment rights. All the mainstream political parties have had the opportunity to wipe their bottoms on the treaty that allows eastern Europeans to live and work here. If and its a big if the government gets around to doing its duty 1.5 million will go home a least 1 million will suddenly have work and unemployment will no longer be a issue. The third Reich = The big society. The Jews = The unemployed.. Have they started building death camps yet will they use polish labour?[/p][/quote]Don't know if housing benefit is payable if your JSA has been sanctioned but hardship payments are in the form of a loan you have to pay back which will push those who claim it further into any debt they already have. Of those that have found work it is mainly temporary part time min wage, many of those would have been extra staff taken on for christmas Tiger Rider

2:29pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Carnabackable says...

Optional Extra wrote:
Carnabackable wrote:
Time to knuckle down and face the realities of the 21st century. No one will be carried, at the expense of others, those who haven't got a job, must find one, or two. The good times of doing sweet FA are over, when my Father needed work, he got upon his bike..............
The deluded has arose, will take it that your parents never got child allowance outta my taxes, another deluded mongoose.
Oh no, they worked for living, back in those days, sponging off the back of others, didn't happen, you either worked, or you'd starve, a simple equation that wouldn't be a bad plan these days, with a lot of people doing as little as possible, yet wanting the most.
[quote][p][bold]Optional Extra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carnabackable[/bold] wrote: Time to knuckle down and face the realities of the 21st century. No one will be carried, at the expense of others, those who haven't got a job, must find one, or two. The good times of doing sweet FA are over, when my Father needed work, he got upon his bike..............[/p][/quote]The deluded has arose, will take it that your parents never got child allowance outta my taxes, another deluded mongoose.[/p][/quote]Oh no, they worked for living, back in those days, sponging off the back of others, didn't happen, you either worked, or you'd starve, a simple equation that wouldn't be a bad plan these days, with a lot of people doing as little as possible, yet wanting the most. Carnabackable

2:36pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Carnabackable says...

Funny people here carp on about Eastern Europeans "stealing" the jobs belonging to the uk born, yet they are hard to beat, they graft, work for less and hardly ever take a day off sick, my hat's off to them.
On the subject of rents, of course everyone would love to rent a four bedroomed mansion for 1 pound, though I'm afraid business is business, you can always save up and buy....
Funny people here carp on about Eastern Europeans "stealing" the jobs belonging to the uk born, yet they are hard to beat, they graft, work for less and hardly ever take a day off sick, my hat's off to them. On the subject of rents, of course everyone would love to rent a four bedroomed mansion for 1 pound, though I'm afraid business is business, you can always save up and buy.... Carnabackable

2:41pm Wed 27 Feb 13

andy:) says...

supermadmax wrote:
Its my understanding that benefits are not just stopped, claimants are given a number of warnings & chances, and even after that they can appeal, during the appeal period benefits will continued to be paid.

As far as I'm concerned its very reasonable that claimants have to provide proof that they are approaching 5-10 employers a week (remember all they have to do is look on the site, send a cv to a job, and follow it up (that alone counts as three steeps!! and they only have to do 15 steps a week!)

I believe the real problem is that now their adviser can log into the on line account to see what search activity the claimants have been doing, and they are quite rightly pulling up the people refusing to do the bear minimum.

Like it or loath it the British benefits system is one of the best in the world & the only people who have issue with these changes are those who were abusing the system & have no intention of getting a job.

"Mr Cooke said he would now be launching a petition outside the job centre to find out how many people are in the same boat and want the system changed."

I doubt he will, words are cheap, but if he does I concede that is proactive & displays get up & go, although I cant help but feel if he put that attitude into his job search someone would have given him a chance by now.

Please review Mr Cooke :
http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2284542/Art-Bouvier-

Man-spots-Jhaqueil-R

eagan-walking-10-mil

es-job-interview-giv

es-job.html
Then your 'understanding' is wrong.

I am 45 and have worked since I was 17 non-stop, I was made redundant and of course looked for a new job, making 100's of applications per week.

One week, the advisor briefly mentioned a totally unsuitable job, (weapons testing !), I have always been employed in IT, so i continued looking for an IT job as thats where my skills lie, and there was no shortgage of jobs to apply for.

Then out of the blue I was given a sanction for failing to apply for the job mentioned, at no time, was i told that I MUSt apply for it and at the time the advisor agreed it was unsuitable and appeared to me misfiled, i had to complain to the Job Centre about this which I did in strongly worded terms, I felt like I had been tricked into getting a sanction.

Luckily they saw sense and the sanction was removed but I'm sure these sanctions can be handed to almost anyone, even if you are slogging your guts out and applying for 100s of jobs and having interviews.

I am now fully employed but have no trust for the job center, it appears to me that these sanctions are not helping people into work they are money driven handed down by the government.

And I am certainly not one of the people you say are 'abusing the sytem & not wanting a job'.

Andy
[quote][p][bold]supermadmax[/bold] wrote: Its my understanding that benefits are not just stopped, claimants are given a number of warnings & chances, and even after that they can appeal, during the appeal period benefits will continued to be paid. As far as I'm concerned its very reasonable that claimants have to provide proof that they are approaching 5-10 employers a week (remember all they have to do is look on the site, send a cv to a job, and follow it up (that alone counts as three steeps!! and they only have to do 15 steps a week!) I believe the real problem is that now their adviser can log into the on line account to see what search activity the claimants have been doing, and they are quite rightly pulling up the people refusing to do the bear minimum. Like it or loath it the British benefits system is one of the best in the world & the only people who have issue with these changes are those who were abusing the system & have no intention of getting a job. "Mr Cooke said he would now be launching a petition outside the job centre to find out how many people are in the same boat and want the system changed." I doubt he will, words are cheap, but if he does I concede that is proactive & displays get up & go, although I cant help but feel if he put that attitude into his job search someone would have given him a chance by now. Please review Mr Cooke : http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2284542/Art-Bouvier- Man-spots-Jhaqueil-R eagan-walking-10-mil es-job-interview-giv es-job.html[/p][/quote]Then your 'understanding' is wrong. I am 45 and have worked since I was 17 non-stop, I was made redundant and of course looked for a new job, making 100's of applications per week. One week, the advisor briefly mentioned a totally unsuitable job, (weapons testing !), I have always been employed in IT, so i continued looking for an IT job as thats where my skills lie, and there was no shortgage of jobs to apply for. Then out of the blue I was given a sanction for failing to apply for the job mentioned, at no time, was i told that I MUSt apply for it and at the time the advisor agreed it was unsuitable and appeared to me misfiled, i had to complain to the Job Centre about this which I did in strongly worded terms, I felt like I had been tricked into getting a sanction. Luckily they saw sense and the sanction was removed but I'm sure these sanctions can be handed to almost anyone, even if you are slogging your guts out and applying for 100s of jobs and having interviews. I am now fully employed but have no trust for the job center, it appears to me that these sanctions are not helping people into work they are money driven handed down by the government. And I am certainly not one of the people you say are 'abusing the sytem & not wanting a job'. Andy andy:)

2:43pm Wed 27 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

Tiger Rider wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote:
George80 wrote:
Tiger Rider wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.
I agree with this.
Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!!
unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.
Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.
ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished
Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic.
they are not the minority. to be eligible for job seekers allowance you have to be actively looking for work. put the effort in, evidence it and you are not denied your benefit. it's as simple as that. if you think an unemployed person should be remunerated more than an employed person you are misguided.
Well thats just silly of course the unemployed should not be paid more than those who work, and yes they should be looking for work but the problem is a much more complex one. Those who are unemployed with private rent to pay are at a disadvantage when looking for work that will pay them a living wage and we should all be striving for a living wage. We are constantly being told that we should save for a pension, (they have even raised the pensionable age) but how the hell can we do that when the min wage hardly affords the most basic cost of living? the policies of the 3 main parties are impoverishing the working poor even more and will continue to do so if we keep on working for less and paying more for homes.
from 2018 all employers will offer their employees pension arrangements by law
[quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: For all you posters who bang on about benefit claimants being lazy, I would like to point out that the majority are not. It is easy to take a part time job on min wage if you own your own home outright, but for those who rent in the private sector rent is the biggest outgoing, and under the present government this will get as bad for council tenants when Camoron raises council rents to 80% of the private sector. The high price of rent in Southend does not reflect the min wage. Taking 2 part time jobs to make ends meet is not always feasible because the time it takes to travel from one to another means you will be late. Relocate? well who is going to do all your menial low paid work? We do not appreciate the people who actually work for a living enough and I'm not talking about the pen pushers and managers, I'm talking about the actual grafters, You know, the ones that wipe our elderly parents backsides for a living, the ones that clean our hospitals and streets, the ones that work long hard boring hours in costa coffee and poundland. The reason immigrants do this work is because many have large families and they claim in work benefits, often child tax credits which are payable even if the kids don't live here are sometimes worth more than the wages they earn. Child benefit is also paid at a much higher rate than in their own countries. Their children don't even have to be in this country for them to claim it. NI contributions can be reclaimed if they return home at regular intervals. Much or what they earn is sent back to their own countries meaning our economy suffers because they are not spending here. It makes sense for them to work here for a couple of years and then return having accrued enough savings to live a comfortable life back home. WE DESPERATELY NEED A LIVING WAGE AND AFFORDABLE RENTS.[/p][/quote]I agree with this.[/p][/quote]Oh and I forgot to add that the pound is worth much more in their own countries too making working here even more attractive to them.. The government are using working immigrants as a stick to beat the British workers with. WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT NOW!!!![/p][/quote]unskilled manual workers cannot turn their nose up at the mininum wage. labour is in supply and it's cheap (eastern europe). want to better your prospects then try learning a relevant skill. the european issue will not go away whilst you continue to vote labour as they are worse than the tories on this issue.[/p][/quote]Well if there are so many immigrants taking our jobs driving wages down and lowering our standard of living we should not be sanctioning the benefits of those that were born here, trapped in high rental tenancies (of which there is no alternative) and being denied a living wage. Either kick the immigrants out or pay benefits to those born and bred here who can't find work that pays a living wage. Those who work hardest are often those doing boring menial work they should at least be rewarded for it.[/p][/quote]ive agreed with alot of what you say, but my problem with all this is in the examples of the 2 people i know, one of them im certain only goes to interviews for jobs to help get his JSA and will do everything within his power to try and put the employer off taking him on, now an employer only needs a couple of these to then say ive had enough and im going to take a foreign worker on who will do what it takes and be happy to just have a job. yes we are under pressure and there are alot of good people out there really struggling to make ends meet and there are others that are ruining it for everyone and there not foreign, this is harsh whats happening but for the most they deserve it, if you are looking for work and are genuine then you wont or at least shouldnt be punished[/p][/quote]Yes there are those out there who scam the system but they really are in the minority. The question that really needs to be asked is WHY the 2 people you know don't want a job? Could it be their own personal experience of work has been that their previous employers haven't valued them and treated them like rubbish? Could it be they fear illness and statutory sick pay will not cover their rent pushing them into debt? Could it be that they will be knocking themselves out just to survive and not able to afford any reward for themselves at the end of it, even the simplest things like heating when it's snowing can become a luxury? Could it be they are doing something they shouldn't like dealing drugs or working on the side? Like I keep saying we need a living wage and tenancies that reflect it, this would restore the work ethic.[/p][/quote]they are not the minority. to be eligible for job seekers allowance you have to be actively looking for work. put the effort in, evidence it and you are not denied your benefit. it's as simple as that. if you think an unemployed person should be remunerated more than an employed person you are misguided.[/p][/quote]Well thats just silly of course the unemployed should not be paid more than those who work, and yes they should be looking for work but the problem is a much more complex one. Those who are unemployed with private rent to pay are at a disadvantage when looking for work that will pay them a living wage and we should all be striving for a living wage. We are constantly being told that we should save for a pension, (they have even raised the pensionable age) but how the hell can we do that when the min wage hardly affords the most basic cost of living? the policies of the 3 main parties are impoverishing the working poor even more and will continue to do so if we keep on working for less and paying more for homes.[/p][/quote]from 2018 all employers will offer their employees pension arrangements by law asbo in a coma

2:44pm Wed 27 Feb 13

andy:) says...

everyoneh850 wrote:
Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.
There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.
Its very hard to get a job even IF you are fully qualified, it took me over a year to find employment after being made redundant, I had over 20 years experience in my field, applied for 100s of jobs, have an impressive CV and excellent references, whilst unemployed I took two exams to boost my skills. I know many others in a similar position.

Andy
[quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Audioman[/bold] wrote: Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB. Plenty of work out there I have a friend who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too. So there is plenty of work if you try.[/p][/quote]There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.[/p][/quote]Its very hard to get a job even IF you are fully qualified, it took me over a year to find employment after being made redundant, I had over 20 years experience in my field, applied for 100s of jobs, have an impressive CV and excellent references, whilst unemployed I took two exams to boost my skills. I know many others in a similar position. Andy andy:)

2:48pm Wed 27 Feb 13

andy:) says...

I hate the police wrote:
Mr Cooke could easily get a job if he tried. The fact is, Mr Cooke is a sad 34 year old man, living at home with his parents, and is quite happy with recieving the benefits his getting, so he can spend it on drink and drugs.
So Mr Hate The Police, what do you do with your life thats so fascinating ?
[quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: Mr Cooke could easily get a job if he tried. The fact is, Mr Cooke is a sad 34 year old man, living at home with his parents, and is quite happy with recieving the benefits his getting, so he can spend it on drink and drugs.[/p][/quote]So Mr Hate The Police, what do you do with your life thats so fascinating ? andy:)

2:49pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Carnabackable says...

andy:) wrote:
supermadmax wrote:
Its my understanding that benefits are not just stopped, claimants are given a number of warnings & chances, and even after that they can appeal, during the appeal period benefits will continued to be paid.

As far as I'm concerned its very reasonable that claimants have to provide proof that they are approaching 5-10 employers a week (remember all they have to do is look on the site, send a cv to a job, and follow it up (that alone counts as three steeps!! and they only have to do 15 steps a week!)

I believe the real problem is that now their adviser can log into the on line account to see what search activity the claimants have been doing, and they are quite rightly pulling up the people refusing to do the bear minimum.

Like it or loath it the British benefits system is one of the best in the world & the only people who have issue with these changes are those who were abusing the system & have no intention of getting a job.

"Mr Cooke said he would now be launching a petition outside the job centre to find out how many people are in the same boat and want the system changed."

I doubt he will, words are cheap, but if he does I concede that is proactive & displays get up & go, although I cant help but feel if he put that attitude into his job search someone would have given him a chance by now.

Please review Mr Cooke :
http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/news/article-


2284542/Art-Bouvier-


Man-spots-Jhaqueil-R


eagan-walking-10-mil


es-job-interview-giv


es-job.html
Then your 'understanding' is wrong.

I am 45 and have worked since I was 17 non-stop, I was made redundant and of course looked for a new job, making 100's of applications per week.

One week, the advisor briefly mentioned a totally unsuitable job, (weapons testing !), I have always been employed in IT, so i continued looking for an IT job as thats where my skills lie, and there was no shortgage of jobs to apply for.

Then out of the blue I was given a sanction for failing to apply for the job mentioned, at no time, was i told that I MUSt apply for it and at the time the advisor agreed it was unsuitable and appeared to me misfiled, i had to complain to the Job Centre about this which I did in strongly worded terms, I felt like I had been tricked into getting a sanction.

Luckily they saw sense and the sanction was removed but I'm sure these sanctions can be handed to almost anyone, even if you are slogging your guts out and applying for 100s of jobs and having interviews.

I am now fully employed but have no trust for the job center, it appears to me that these sanctions are not helping people into work they are money driven handed down by the government.

And I am certainly not one of the people you say are 'abusing the sytem & not wanting a job'.

Andy
supermadmax wrote:
and they are quite rightly pulling up the people refusing to do the bear minimum.

Actually it's Bare minimum, try to get your spelling right.
[quote][p][bold]andy:)[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]supermadmax[/bold] wrote: Its my understanding that benefits are not just stopped, claimants are given a number of warnings & chances, and even after that they can appeal, during the appeal period benefits will continued to be paid. As far as I'm concerned its very reasonable that claimants have to provide proof that they are approaching 5-10 employers a week (remember all they have to do is look on the site, send a cv to a job, and follow it up (that alone counts as three steeps!! and they only have to do 15 steps a week!) I believe the real problem is that now their adviser can log into the on line account to see what search activity the claimants have been doing, and they are quite rightly pulling up the people refusing to do the bear minimum. Like it or loath it the British benefits system is one of the best in the world & the only people who have issue with these changes are those who were abusing the system & have no intention of getting a job. "Mr Cooke said he would now be launching a petition outside the job centre to find out how many people are in the same boat and want the system changed." I doubt he will, words are cheap, but if he does I concede that is proactive & displays get up & go, although I cant help but feel if he put that attitude into his job search someone would have given him a chance by now. Please review Mr Cooke : http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2284542/Art-Bouvier- Man-spots-Jhaqueil-R eagan-walking-10-mil es-job-interview-giv es-job.html[/p][/quote]Then your 'understanding' is wrong. I am 45 and have worked since I was 17 non-stop, I was made redundant and of course looked for a new job, making 100's of applications per week. One week, the advisor briefly mentioned a totally unsuitable job, (weapons testing !), I have always been employed in IT, so i continued looking for an IT job as thats where my skills lie, and there was no shortgage of jobs to apply for. Then out of the blue I was given a sanction for failing to apply for the job mentioned, at no time, was i told that I MUSt apply for it and at the time the advisor agreed it was unsuitable and appeared to me misfiled, i had to complain to the Job Centre about this which I did in strongly worded terms, I felt like I had been tricked into getting a sanction. Luckily they saw sense and the sanction was removed but I'm sure these sanctions can be handed to almost anyone, even if you are slogging your guts out and applying for 100s of jobs and having interviews. I am now fully employed but have no trust for the job center, it appears to me that these sanctions are not helping people into work they are money driven handed down by the government. And I am certainly not one of the people you say are 'abusing the sytem & not wanting a job'. Andy[/p][/quote]supermadmax wrote: and they are quite rightly pulling up the people refusing to do the bear minimum. Actually it's Bare minimum, try to get your spelling right. Carnabackable

2:50pm Wed 27 Feb 13

chunkus10 says...

i have just read the biggest load of rubbish ever!!

4 yrs ago i got in a bit of trouble and ended up in prison for my crimes which i have now well and trully paid for. When i come out we were in deep recession. not a job in sight or so i thought, 14months later after sending application after application and with the job centres help in getting my forlift licence i landed the best job i have ever had. 12 months later im still there working towards my promotion to assistant manager!

moroal of the story is: if you want a job bad enough you'll get one! even if you have no qualifictations or even have a crimial record. all this there are not enough jobs is pure rubbish there are jobs if you want it bad enough!
i have just read the biggest load of rubbish ever!! 4 yrs ago i got in a bit of trouble and ended up in prison for my crimes which i have now well and trully paid for. When i come out we were in deep recession. not a job in sight or so i thought, 14months later after sending application after application and with the job centres help in getting my forlift licence i landed the best job i have ever had. 12 months later im still there working towards my promotion to assistant manager! moroal of the story is: if you want a job bad enough you'll get one! even if you have no qualifictations or even have a crimial record. all this there are not enough jobs is pure rubbish there are jobs if you want it bad enough! chunkus10

3:25pm Wed 27 Feb 13

ORACUS says...

chunkus10 wrote:
i have just read the biggest load of rubbish ever!!

4 yrs ago i got in a bit of trouble and ended up in prison for my crimes which i have now well and trully paid for. When i come out we were in deep recession. not a job in sight or so i thought, 14months later after sending application after application and with the job centres help in getting my forlift licence i landed the best job i have ever had. 12 months later im still there working towards my promotion to assistant manager!

moroal of the story is: if you want a job bad enough you'll get one! even if you have no qualifictations or even have a crimial record. all this there are not enough jobs is pure rubbish there are jobs if you want it bad enough!
4 years -14 months -12 months = 22 months or in other words DWP maths skills.
Niche skills will get you a job if you know what skills to get or how to get them but more importantly who wiill pay for them 4 years ago the funding was there and you were lucky.
Your post is Non sequitur.
[quote][p][bold]chunkus10[/bold] wrote: i have just read the biggest load of rubbish ever!! 4 yrs ago i got in a bit of trouble and ended up in prison for my crimes which i have now well and trully paid for. When i come out we were in deep recession. not a job in sight or so i thought, 14months later after sending application after application and with the job centres help in getting my forlift licence i landed the best job i have ever had. 12 months later im still there working towards my promotion to assistant manager! moroal of the story is: if you want a job bad enough you'll get one! even if you have no qualifictations or even have a crimial record. all this there are not enough jobs is pure rubbish there are jobs if you want it bad enough![/p][/quote]4 years -14 months -12 months = 22 months or in other words DWP maths skills. Niche skills will get you a job if you know what skills to get or how to get them but more importantly who wiill pay for them 4 years ago the funding was there and you were lucky. Your post is Non sequitur. ORACUS

3:58pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Tone-Fu says...

I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.
What a dumb statement to make.

We live in a country which has more working-age people than it does jobs and you're accusing everyone who is unemployed of being less worthy members of society than you.

With an attitude like yours I think you'd find that most people would rather have the unemployed chap than a bitter half-wit like yourself.
[quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.[/p][/quote]What a dumb statement to make. We live in a country which has more working-age people than it does jobs and you're accusing everyone who is unemployed of being less worthy members of society than you. With an attitude like yours I think you'd find that most people would rather have the unemployed chap than a bitter half-wit like yourself. Tone-Fu

4:03pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Tone-Fu says...

chunkus10 wrote:
now i wonder how hard this chap has actully looked for a job?? is it that he cant find a job at all or is it he cant find one that he would do?? i think you'll fiind that there are plenty of jobs out there but alot of people cant or wont do some of them!!
Oh good! Another idiot happy to speak tripe when their understanding of the subject being discussed is nil.

There are 468000 vacancies in the UK.

There are around 2.6 million unemployed.

Are you educated enough to do that simple arithmetic, chunkus10?
[quote][p][bold]chunkus10[/bold] wrote: now i wonder how hard this chap has actully looked for a job?? is it that he cant find a job at all or is it he cant find one that he would do?? i think you'll fiind that there are plenty of jobs out there but alot of people cant or wont do some of them!![/p][/quote]Oh good! Another idiot happy to speak tripe when their understanding of the subject being discussed is nil. There are 468000 vacancies in the UK. There are around 2.6 million unemployed. Are you educated enough to do that simple arithmetic, chunkus10? Tone-Fu

4:04pm Wed 27 Feb 13

jolllyboy says...

if you dont have a computer you cannot do it. Only allowed the library ones for a limited time and its not long enough to fill in any forms. Especially when the forms are rubbish at downloading.
The Jobcentre is there to help people get jobs - they should be helping people with forms and not just pointing them to machines. If someone is not very literate they should be sent on courses whilst still getting their job-seekers money.
if you dont have a computer you cannot do it. Only allowed the library ones for a limited time and its not long enough to fill in any forms. Especially when the forms are rubbish at downloading. The Jobcentre is there to help people get jobs - they should be helping people with forms and not just pointing them to machines. If someone is not very literate they should be sent on courses whilst still getting their job-seekers money. jolllyboy

4:45pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Nebs says...

jolllyboy wrote:
if you dont have a computer you cannot do it. Only allowed the library ones for a limited time and its not long enough to fill in any forms. Especially when the forms are rubbish at downloading.
The Jobcentre is there to help people get jobs - they should be helping people with forms and not just pointing them to machines. If someone is not very literate they should be sent on courses whilst still getting their job-seekers money.
How about opening schools on weekends or in the evenings so as those without computers can use one when they are not being used by students.
[quote][p][bold]jolllyboy[/bold] wrote: if you dont have a computer you cannot do it. Only allowed the library ones for a limited time and its not long enough to fill in any forms. Especially when the forms are rubbish at downloading. The Jobcentre is there to help people get jobs - they should be helping people with forms and not just pointing them to machines. If someone is not very literate they should be sent on courses whilst still getting their job-seekers money.[/p][/quote]How about opening schools on weekends or in the evenings so as those without computers can use one when they are not being used by students. Nebs

5:01pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Noteworthy says...

Tiger Rider wrote:
Noteworthy wrote: What I find interesting is how the story doesn't mention how long Mr Cooke has been out of work. I had to go on Jobseekers a few years ago when I was made redundant. I didn't do it straight away - didn't like the idea of being on Benefits. £65 a week though helped me to travel to interviews, put petrol in the car, but then I had n living expenses - moved back with parents and gave up my flat to save money. Still, I was on JSA for four months and found a job. Now I run my own (small) business. The job seeking form did indeed consist of 'I searched job website, applied and followed up' but at the same time, I actually did this. Not concentrating on my specialist area of Journalism - which is incredibly hard to get a job in - but also retail work. Lucky I found a position in the end. Work is out there if you're willing to take it, and if you are not, expect the consequences. Again, how long has Mr Cooke been in receipt of JSA?
Well aren't you the lucky one having parents to fall back on. You obviously have no idea what problems min wage earners without supportive parents face or you would have had to claim benefits straight away. It's a lot easier starting up a small business or taking low paid work if you are living at home with your mum and dad, than struggling to pay private rent without falling into arrears and facing destitution. If your small business grows and you need to employ staff I hope you will pay them a living wage.
Sorry, my comment did come across a bit snidey - the problem is once posted you can't retract it!

What I meant to say is that I was lucky I had people to fall back on, as the JSA payments really are not a lot for living. At the time I was made redundant, I was living in a privately rented flat, and tried to keep going in it until I had to give up. It was only £400 a month, not a lot compared to some, but still, it was too much. I didn't want to claim housing benefit, because I wanted to work.

And it's not easy starting a business if you do not have money to put behind it, which is a vicious circle. I couldn't have done it unless I was working - I'm over 30, so the Princes Trust was not an option. I'm only running a 'one-man band' operation, so the possibility of expanding to take on staff is non-existant!
[quote][p][bold]Tiger Rider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noteworthy[/bold] wrote: What I find interesting is how the story doesn't mention how long Mr Cooke has been out of work. I had to go on Jobseekers a few years ago when I was made redundant. I didn't do it straight away - didn't like the idea of being on Benefits. £65 a week though helped me to travel to interviews, put petrol in the car, but then I had n living expenses - moved back with parents and gave up my flat to save money. Still, I was on JSA for four months and found a job. Now I run my own (small) business. The job seeking form did indeed consist of 'I searched job website, applied and followed up' but at the same time, I actually did this. Not concentrating on my specialist area of Journalism - which is incredibly hard to get a job in - but also retail work. Lucky I found a position in the end. Work is out there if you're willing to take it, and if you are not, expect the consequences. Again, how long has Mr Cooke been in receipt of JSA?[/p][/quote]Well aren't you the lucky one having parents to fall back on. You obviously have no idea what problems min wage earners without supportive parents face or you would have had to claim benefits straight away. It's a lot easier starting up a small business or taking low paid work if you are living at home with your mum and dad, than struggling to pay private rent without falling into arrears and facing destitution. If your small business grows and you need to employ staff I hope you will pay them a living wage.[/p][/quote]Sorry, my comment did come across a bit snidey - the problem is once posted you can't retract it! What I meant to say is that I was lucky I had people to fall back on, as the JSA payments really are not a lot for living. At the time I was made redundant, I was living in a privately rented flat, and tried to keep going in it until I had to give up. It was only £400 a month, not a lot compared to some, but still, it was too much. I didn't want to claim housing benefit, because I wanted to work. And it's not easy starting a business if you do not have money to put behind it, which is a vicious circle. I couldn't have done it unless I was working - I'm over 30, so the Princes Trust was not an option. I'm only running a 'one-man band' operation, so the possibility of expanding to take on staff is non-existant! Noteworthy

5:27pm Wed 27 Feb 13

southchurchroad says...

chunkus10 wrote:
i have just read the biggest load of rubbish ever!!

4 yrs ago i got in a bit of trouble and ended up in prison for my crimes which i have now well and trully paid for. When i come out we were in deep recession. not a job in sight or so i thought, 14months later after sending application after application and with the job centres help in getting my forlift licence i landed the best job i have ever had. 12 months later im still there working towards my promotion to assistant manager!

moroal of the story is: if you want a job bad enough you'll get one! even if you have no qualifictations or even have a crimial record. all this there are not enough jobs is pure rubbish there are jobs if you want it bad enough!
You have 46 sweets. 260 people want a sweet, badly. Please explain how each person can have a sweet?

It simply doesn't work. The numbers do not add up whatsoever. There aren't enough jobs. It's not going to get much better anytime soon, as most people are really feeling the pinch, driving down demand for pretty much all goods and services, while the government does it's best to take from the poor to give to the already rich, telling people it will somehow trickle down, rather than end up in offshore accounts.

Congratulations for getting through your troubles and finding work by the way- just remember that you were one of the lucky 46 to get a sweetie.
[quote][p][bold]chunkus10[/bold] wrote: i have just read the biggest load of rubbish ever!! 4 yrs ago i got in a bit of trouble and ended up in prison for my crimes which i have now well and trully paid for. When i come out we were in deep recession. not a job in sight or so i thought, 14months later after sending application after application and with the job centres help in getting my forlift licence i landed the best job i have ever had. 12 months later im still there working towards my promotion to assistant manager! moroal of the story is: if you want a job bad enough you'll get one! even if you have no qualifictations or even have a crimial record. all this there are not enough jobs is pure rubbish there are jobs if you want it bad enough![/p][/quote]You have 46 sweets. 260 people want a sweet, badly. Please explain how each person can have a sweet? It simply doesn't work. The numbers do not add up whatsoever. There aren't enough jobs. It's not going to get much better anytime soon, as most people are really feeling the pinch, driving down demand for pretty much all goods and services, while the government does it's best to take from the poor to give to the already rich, telling people it will somehow trickle down, rather than end up in offshore accounts. Congratulations for getting through your troubles and finding work by the way- just remember that you were one of the lucky 46 to get a sweetie. southchurchroad

6:50pm Wed 27 Feb 13

pembury53 says...

southchurchroad wrote:
chunkus10 wrote:
i have just read the biggest load of rubbish ever!!

4 yrs ago i got in a bit of trouble and ended up in prison for my crimes which i have now well and trully paid for. When i come out we were in deep recession. not a job in sight or so i thought, 14months later after sending application after application and with the job centres help in getting my forlift licence i landed the best job i have ever had. 12 months later im still there working towards my promotion to assistant manager!

moroal of the story is: if you want a job bad enough you'll get one! even if you have no qualifictations or even have a crimial record. all this there are not enough jobs is pure rubbish there are jobs if you want it bad enough!
You have 46 sweets. 260 people want a sweet, badly. Please explain how each person can have a sweet?

It simply doesn't work. The numbers do not add up whatsoever. There aren't enough jobs. It's not going to get much better anytime soon, as most people are really feeling the pinch, driving down demand for pretty much all goods and services, while the government does it's best to take from the poor to give to the already rich, telling people it will somehow trickle down, rather than end up in offshore accounts.

Congratulations for getting through your troubles and finding work by the way- just remember that you were one of the lucky 46 to get a sweetie.
it's amazing isn't it ! One person finds work so applies the logic that anyone can...... That's like saying anyone can get a job earning 500K a year because someone else did ......... Taking one example in isolation is completely pointless and utterly stupid........ If the number of vacancies does not equal the number of unemployed, then not everyone can find a job...... simple pre school arithmetic. Furthermore, if an unemployed person is forced into a job then logic dictates (unless they're the only applicant) that someone else didn't get the job so is still unemployed......... net result to the tax payer = zero
[quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chunkus10[/bold] wrote: i have just read the biggest load of rubbish ever!! 4 yrs ago i got in a bit of trouble and ended up in prison for my crimes which i have now well and trully paid for. When i come out we were in deep recession. not a job in sight or so i thought, 14months later after sending application after application and with the job centres help in getting my forlift licence i landed the best job i have ever had. 12 months later im still there working towards my promotion to assistant manager! moroal of the story is: if you want a job bad enough you'll get one! even if you have no qualifictations or even have a crimial record. all this there are not enough jobs is pure rubbish there are jobs if you want it bad enough![/p][/quote]You have 46 sweets. 260 people want a sweet, badly. Please explain how each person can have a sweet? It simply doesn't work. The numbers do not add up whatsoever. There aren't enough jobs. It's not going to get much better anytime soon, as most people are really feeling the pinch, driving down demand for pretty much all goods and services, while the government does it's best to take from the poor to give to the already rich, telling people it will somehow trickle down, rather than end up in offshore accounts. Congratulations for getting through your troubles and finding work by the way- just remember that you were one of the lucky 46 to get a sweetie.[/p][/quote]it's amazing isn't it ! One person finds work so applies the logic that anyone can...... That's like saying anyone can get a job earning 500K a year because someone else did ......... Taking one example in isolation is completely pointless and utterly stupid........ If the number of vacancies does not equal the number of unemployed, then not everyone can find a job...... simple pre school arithmetic. Furthermore, if an unemployed person is forced into a job then logic dictates (unless they're the only applicant) that someone else didn't get the job so is still unemployed......... net result to the tax payer = zero pembury53

7:02pm Wed 27 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

let's just slit our wrists. the world is coming to an end. there is no hope. bail me out...oh wait there's no money. no problemo we'll just borrow a bit more. what's another 10bio?
let's just slit our wrists. the world is coming to an end. there is no hope. bail me out...oh wait there's no money. no problemo we'll just borrow a bit more. what's another 10bio? asbo in a coma

8:00pm Wed 27 Feb 13

ladyvcw@aol.com says...

Hi
I actually work as a processor for jobseekers allowance and I am amazed and sad at the comments on this article. Firstly I would like to clear up the myth that jobcentre staff fanny around on facebook etc. You have absolutely no idea of the pressure and workload that we have. You have no right to assume that we are lazy or dont care. Our top brass bosses impose hard targets and constantly remind us we are lucky to have a job and we work hard to keep them. Sanctions are imposed in a lot of cases on the lazy and the unwilling but sometimes they are imposed on the genuine jobseeker, but there is ALWAYS a reason for a disallowance. If you feel that you have been wronged you may ask for a reconsideration of the decision and you may also ask for hardship help. There is a processing time but I can assure you the decision making staff are working as hard and fast as they can to get the decisions made as quickly as possible. There are jobs out there. Not many I know and Not necessary the sort of job you feel is worthy of you. But the fact is that if you receive a benefit you are asking the already overloaded tax payer to assist you with your living costs. They pay for your prescriptions, your housing benefit, your share of the refuse collection, your denistry etc.etc. They then have to pay the costs again for themselves! All the taxpayer asks, via jobseekers allowance is that you do your best to help yourself. Seriously, stop moaning about how hard done by you are! If you get a job, even a part time job, there are other top up benefits which you may be able to claim to help you. We are a hand held society these days, when really we need to be a society that helps itself... not to taxpayers money, but to a better way of life through our hard work and ability to do whats necessary to support ourselves. Whatever it takes. And yes, I was also made redundant and claimed jobseekers allowance before I got my job...and this is my view and NOT the official stance on this article.
Hi I actually work as a processor for jobseekers allowance and I am amazed and sad at the comments on this article. Firstly I would like to clear up the myth that jobcentre staff fanny around on facebook etc. You have absolutely no idea of the pressure and workload that we have. You have no right to assume that we are lazy or dont care. Our top brass bosses impose hard targets and constantly remind us we are lucky to have a job and we work hard to keep them. Sanctions are imposed in a lot of cases on the lazy and the unwilling but sometimes they are imposed on the genuine jobseeker, but there is ALWAYS a reason for a disallowance. If you feel that you have been wronged you may ask for a reconsideration of the decision and you may also ask for hardship help. There is a processing time but I can assure you the decision making staff are working as hard and fast as they can to get the decisions made as quickly as possible. There are jobs out there. Not many I know and Not necessary the sort of job you feel is worthy of you. But the fact is that if you receive a benefit you are asking the already overloaded tax payer to assist you with your living costs. They pay for your prescriptions, your housing benefit, your share of the refuse collection, your denistry etc.etc. They then have to pay the costs again for themselves! All the taxpayer asks, via jobseekers allowance is that you do your best to help yourself. Seriously, stop moaning about how hard done by you are! If you get a job, even a part time job, there are other top up benefits which you may be able to claim to help you. We are a hand held society these days, when really we need to be a society that helps itself... not to taxpayers money, but to a better way of life through our hard work and ability to do whats necessary to support ourselves. Whatever it takes. And yes, I was also made redundant and claimed jobseekers allowance before I got my job...and this is my view and NOT the official stance on this article. ladyvcw@aol.com

8:31pm Wed 27 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

ladyvcw@aol.com wrote:
Hi
I actually work as a processor for jobseekers allowance and I am amazed and sad at the comments on this article. Firstly I would like to clear up the myth that jobcentre staff fanny around on facebook etc. You have absolutely no idea of the pressure and workload that we have. You have no right to assume that we are lazy or dont care. Our top brass bosses impose hard targets and constantly remind us we are lucky to have a job and we work hard to keep them. Sanctions are imposed in a lot of cases on the lazy and the unwilling but sometimes they are imposed on the genuine jobseeker, but there is ALWAYS a reason for a disallowance. If you feel that you have been wronged you may ask for a reconsideration of the decision and you may also ask for hardship help. There is a processing time but I can assure you the decision making staff are working as hard and fast as they can to get the decisions made as quickly as possible. There are jobs out there. Not many I know and Not necessary the sort of job you feel is worthy of you. But the fact is that if you receive a benefit you are asking the already overloaded tax payer to assist you with your living costs. They pay for your prescriptions, your housing benefit, your share of the refuse collection, your denistry etc.etc. They then have to pay the costs again for themselves! All the taxpayer asks, via jobseekers allowance is that you do your best to help yourself. Seriously, stop moaning about how hard done by you are! If you get a job, even a part time job, there are other top up benefits which you may be able to claim to help you. We are a hand held society these days, when really we need to be a society that helps itself... not to taxpayers money, but to a better way of life through our hard work and ability to do whats necessary to support ourselves. Whatever it takes. And yes, I was also made redundant and claimed jobseekers allowance before I got my job...and this is my view and NOT the official stance on this article.
THE perfect post, thank you. Now perhaps everybody will wind their necks in
[quote][p][bold]ladyvcw@aol.com[/bold] wrote: Hi I actually work as a processor for jobseekers allowance and I am amazed and sad at the comments on this article. Firstly I would like to clear up the myth that jobcentre staff fanny around on facebook etc. You have absolutely no idea of the pressure and workload that we have. You have no right to assume that we are lazy or dont care. Our top brass bosses impose hard targets and constantly remind us we are lucky to have a job and we work hard to keep them. Sanctions are imposed in a lot of cases on the lazy and the unwilling but sometimes they are imposed on the genuine jobseeker, but there is ALWAYS a reason for a disallowance. If you feel that you have been wronged you may ask for a reconsideration of the decision and you may also ask for hardship help. There is a processing time but I can assure you the decision making staff are working as hard and fast as they can to get the decisions made as quickly as possible. There are jobs out there. Not many I know and Not necessary the sort of job you feel is worthy of you. But the fact is that if you receive a benefit you are asking the already overloaded tax payer to assist you with your living costs. They pay for your prescriptions, your housing benefit, your share of the refuse collection, your denistry etc.etc. They then have to pay the costs again for themselves! All the taxpayer asks, via jobseekers allowance is that you do your best to help yourself. Seriously, stop moaning about how hard done by you are! If you get a job, even a part time job, there are other top up benefits which you may be able to claim to help you. We are a hand held society these days, when really we need to be a society that helps itself... not to taxpayers money, but to a better way of life through our hard work and ability to do whats necessary to support ourselves. Whatever it takes. And yes, I was also made redundant and claimed jobseekers allowance before I got my job...and this is my view and NOT the official stance on this article.[/p][/quote]THE perfect post, thank you. Now perhaps everybody will wind their necks in stopmoaning1

8:33pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Rachie says...

Nebs wrote:
everyoneh850 wrote:
Nebs wrote:
everyoneh850 wrote:
Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.
There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.
On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.
How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??
Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance.
Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages.
Are you joking? I have my own business.

6 years ago though our previous one collapsed, not a fly by night you understand? A well respected local printing firm started 30 years previously by my father in law. With the invention of home PC's and 'vistaprint' it has become a dying trade and we were dependent on our few large customers. In the space of a year one of our biggest started an in house print shop, and another went bust owing us £1000s.

We lost everything. Our home, our business and our self respect. We lived in B & B provided by the council and our children suffered for it.

We were lucky. Some friends helped us out and slowly we picked up the pieces and started again working from a rented house.

Start a business.... you make me laugh. Do you know how much we pay in taxes and VAT and all the other sundries and paperwork that companies house insists on?

You have no idea or concept of reality!
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Audioman[/bold] wrote: Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB. Plenty of work out there I have a friend who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too. So there is plenty of work if you try.[/p][/quote]There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.[/p][/quote]On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.[/p][/quote]How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??[/p][/quote]Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance. Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages.[/p][/quote]Are you joking? I have my own business. 6 years ago though our previous one collapsed, not a fly by night you understand? A well respected local printing firm started 30 years previously by my father in law. With the invention of home PC's and 'vistaprint' it has become a dying trade and we were dependent on our few large customers. In the space of a year one of our biggest started an in house print shop, and another went bust owing us £1000s. We lost everything. Our home, our business and our self respect. We lived in B & B provided by the council and our children suffered for it. We were lucky. Some friends helped us out and slowly we picked up the pieces and started again working from a rented house. Start a business.... you make me laugh. Do you know how much we pay in taxes and VAT and all the other sundries and paperwork that companies house insists on? You have no idea or concept of reality! Rachie

8:40pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Rachie says...

How-ironic wrote:
jayman wrote:
I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.
or not.....

this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work.

if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work.

try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding..

The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare..
Why should the state have to support people who become unemployed?
I pay monthly to have income protection in case of redundancy which covers my salary of the worse happens, this should be mandatory.
If that insurance were mandatory they'd have gone bust now. The amount of redundancies in the last 2 years from large employers would have wiped them out.
[quote][p][bold]How-ironic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.[/p][/quote]or not..... this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work. if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work. try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding.. The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare..[/p][/quote]Why should the state have to support people who become unemployed? I pay monthly to have income protection in case of redundancy which covers my salary of the worse happens, this should be mandatory.[/p][/quote]If that insurance were mandatory they'd have gone bust now. The amount of redundancies in the last 2 years from large employers would have wiped them out. Rachie

8:50pm Wed 27 Feb 13

pembury53 says...

ladyvcw@aol.com wrote:
Hi
I actually work as a processor for jobseekers allowance and I am amazed and sad at the comments on this article. Firstly I would like to clear up the myth that jobcentre staff fanny around on facebook etc. You have absolutely no idea of the pressure and workload that we have. You have no right to assume that we are lazy or dont care. Our top brass bosses impose hard targets and constantly remind us we are lucky to have a job and we work hard to keep them. Sanctions are imposed in a lot of cases on the lazy and the unwilling but sometimes they are imposed on the genuine jobseeker, but there is ALWAYS a reason for a disallowance. If you feel that you have been wronged you may ask for a reconsideration of the decision and you may also ask for hardship help. There is a processing time but I can assure you the decision making staff are working as hard and fast as they can to get the decisions made as quickly as possible. There are jobs out there. Not many I know and Not necessary the sort of job you feel is worthy of you. But the fact is that if you receive a benefit you are asking the already overloaded tax payer to assist you with your living costs. They pay for your prescriptions, your housing benefit, your share of the refuse collection, your denistry etc.etc. They then have to pay the costs again for themselves! All the taxpayer asks, via jobseekers allowance is that you do your best to help yourself. Seriously, stop moaning about how hard done by you are! If you get a job, even a part time job, there are other top up benefits which you may be able to claim to help you. We are a hand held society these days, when really we need to be a society that helps itself... not to taxpayers money, but to a better way of life through our hard work and ability to do whats necessary to support ourselves. Whatever it takes. And yes, I was also made redundant and claimed jobseekers allowance before I got my job...and this is my view and NOT the official stance on this article.
While i would not doubt that your under pressure, hard working and really do care, the fact that there is always a 'reason' for a disallowance does not necessarliy make it right. It depends upon the fairness of the ever increasing number of reasons and pressure the goverment choose to impose upon those unfortunate to find themselves on benefits, sometimes after decades of unbroken employment paying taxes and NI. Forcing people into financially unviable jobs just to satisfy the baying tory mob, whilst simultaneously allowing immigrants to syphon off benefits for kids that don't even live here is a national scandal that any right thinking person should find totally unacceptable.....
[quote][p][bold]ladyvcw@aol.com[/bold] wrote: Hi I actually work as a processor for jobseekers allowance and I am amazed and sad at the comments on this article. Firstly I would like to clear up the myth that jobcentre staff fanny around on facebook etc. You have absolutely no idea of the pressure and workload that we have. You have no right to assume that we are lazy or dont care. Our top brass bosses impose hard targets and constantly remind us we are lucky to have a job and we work hard to keep them. Sanctions are imposed in a lot of cases on the lazy and the unwilling but sometimes they are imposed on the genuine jobseeker, but there is ALWAYS a reason for a disallowance. If you feel that you have been wronged you may ask for a reconsideration of the decision and you may also ask for hardship help. There is a processing time but I can assure you the decision making staff are working as hard and fast as they can to get the decisions made as quickly as possible. There are jobs out there. Not many I know and Not necessary the sort of job you feel is worthy of you. But the fact is that if you receive a benefit you are asking the already overloaded tax payer to assist you with your living costs. They pay for your prescriptions, your housing benefit, your share of the refuse collection, your denistry etc.etc. They then have to pay the costs again for themselves! All the taxpayer asks, via jobseekers allowance is that you do your best to help yourself. Seriously, stop moaning about how hard done by you are! If you get a job, even a part time job, there are other top up benefits which you may be able to claim to help you. We are a hand held society these days, when really we need to be a society that helps itself... not to taxpayers money, but to a better way of life through our hard work and ability to do whats necessary to support ourselves. Whatever it takes. And yes, I was also made redundant and claimed jobseekers allowance before I got my job...and this is my view and NOT the official stance on this article.[/p][/quote]While i would not doubt that your under pressure, hard working and really do care, the fact that there is always a 'reason' for a disallowance does not necessarliy make it right. It depends upon the fairness of the ever increasing number of reasons and pressure the goverment choose to impose upon those unfortunate to find themselves on benefits, sometimes after decades of unbroken employment paying taxes and NI. Forcing people into financially unviable jobs just to satisfy the baying tory mob, whilst simultaneously allowing immigrants to syphon off benefits for kids that don't even live here is a national scandal that any right thinking person should find totally unacceptable..... pembury53

9:16pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Basildon30 says...

Being unemployed myself I can assure people that I would rather work than sit at home twiddling my thumbs and collect £71 a week. I apply for job after job but not one recruiter has the decency to respond. I have held well paid jobs previously and I am happy to work for a much lower wage. For instance I applied for a Store Assistant job over a month ago with the agency Premier Work Support, I got no response despite being told I would be called back. Today I see they are still advertising for this job. There is only so much you can do.
Being unemployed myself I can assure people that I would rather work than sit at home twiddling my thumbs and collect £71 a week. I apply for job after job but not one recruiter has the decency to respond. I have held well paid jobs previously and I am happy to work for a much lower wage. For instance I applied for a Store Assistant job over a month ago with the agency Premier Work Support, I got no response despite being told I would be called back. Today I see they are still advertising for this job. There is only so much you can do. Basildon30

9:16pm Wed 27 Feb 13

southchurchroad says...

People are trying as hard as they can, but there are 5 times as many people looking for a job than there are jobs available, part time or not. Sanctions are being applied all over the place, and once a sanction hits, you stand to lose out on other benefits while you wait for your appeal, with no cash. Want emergency help? well you are going to have to pay it back.

It's pointless, and frankly cruel to punish people for not doing something THEY CANNOT DO. If low paid workers have it tough, then make it better for low paid workers, rather than throwing literally billions of pounds at corporations that have success rates of 0.2%. Most of them used to be taxpayers who paid into the system with the expectation of a safety net being there for them when needed.

It's an absolute false dichotomy- there is the money to pay adequate benefits to those out of work, to generate jobs, to save libraries, to stop cuts to the NHS, to stop our pensioners freezing in their homes, to stop ex-forces begging on the streets. Stop the real scroungers- the corporations stealing hundreds of billions a year, not the relative pittance spent on those who actually need help.

Of course, they are the ones running the tabloids poisoning the lower class against the even lower class, for obvious reasons.
People are trying as hard as they can, but there are 5 times as many people looking for a job than there are jobs available, part time or not. Sanctions are being applied all over the place, and once a sanction hits, you stand to lose out on other benefits while you wait for your appeal, with no cash. Want emergency help? well you are going to have to pay it back. It's pointless, and frankly cruel to punish people for not doing something THEY CANNOT DO. If low paid workers have it tough, then make it better for low paid workers, rather than throwing literally billions of pounds at corporations that have success rates of 0.2%. Most of them used to be taxpayers who paid into the system with the expectation of a safety net being there for them when needed. It's an absolute false dichotomy- there is the money to pay adequate benefits to those out of work, to generate jobs, to save libraries, to stop cuts to the NHS, to stop our pensioners freezing in their homes, to stop ex-forces begging on the streets. Stop the real scroungers- the corporations stealing hundreds of billions a year, not the relative pittance spent on those who actually need help. Of course, they are the ones running the tabloids poisoning the lower class against the even lower class, for obvious reasons. southchurchroad

9:35pm Wed 27 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

"people are trying as hard as they can". the clown can't even fill out a form. try inhabiting the real world. communism failed. let's not rework a failed experiment
"people are trying as hard as they can". the clown can't even fill out a form. try inhabiting the real world. communism failed. let's not rework a failed experiment asbo in a coma

10:00pm Wed 27 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

rupert murdoch better up his production of satellite dishes. b&h better up their production of cancer sticks. benefits frenzy or bust
rupert murdoch better up his production of satellite dishes. b&h better up their production of cancer sticks. benefits frenzy or bust asbo in a coma

10:01pm Wed 27 Feb 13

u dont have a clue says...

This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke.
This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke. u dont have a clue

10:06pm Wed 27 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list? asbo in a coma

10:19pm Wed 27 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

btw how many names on the petition so far?
btw how many names on the petition so far? asbo in a coma

10:27pm Wed 27 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

u dont have a clue wrote:
This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke.
and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".

It is NOT a 'human right' to expect me to support you
[quote][p][bold]u dont have a clue[/bold] wrote: This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke.[/p][/quote]and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work". It is NOT a 'human right' to expect me to support you stopmoaning1

11:53pm Wed 27 Feb 13

southchurchroad says...

asbo in a coma wrote:
"people are trying as hard as they can". the clown can't even fill out a form. try inhabiting the real world. communism failed. let's not rework a failed experiment
We do have socialism in this country, only it applies only to the very rich- the ones getting subsidies, the ones dodging hundreds of billions of pounds in tax, the ones getting fat contracts with no oversight from the government. They take far, far, far more than any fictional "dole scrounging jeremy kyle wannabe druggie yobbo criminal scum" could dream of. But you seem just fine with that.

Of course, if you actually looked at why people are being sanctioned, rather than relying on your convenient prejudices, you would find out that due to ever increasing rules and regulations, genuine jobseekers are getting sanctioned for the pettiest of reasons, or flat out mistakes from overworked DWP staff. Hence the use of foodbanks e.t.c raising 5 fold in the last year. But hey, they aren't working jobs that don't exist, so maybe they should starve to reduce the excess population, after all, we should aspire to be like third world countries apparently.

Or hey, maybe you can explain how 5 people can work 1 job. I guess they just aren't trying hard enough?
[quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: "people are trying as hard as they can". the clown can't even fill out a form. try inhabiting the real world. communism failed. let's not rework a failed experiment[/p][/quote]We do have socialism in this country, only it applies only to the very rich- the ones getting subsidies, the ones dodging hundreds of billions of pounds in tax, the ones getting fat contracts with no oversight from the government. They take far, far, far more than any fictional "dole scrounging jeremy kyle wannabe druggie yobbo criminal scum" could dream of. But you seem just fine with that. Of course, if you actually looked at why people are being sanctioned, rather than relying on your convenient prejudices, you would find out that due to ever increasing rules and regulations, genuine jobseekers are getting sanctioned for the pettiest of reasons, or flat out mistakes from overworked DWP staff. Hence the use of foodbanks e.t.c raising 5 fold in the last year. But hey, they aren't working jobs that don't exist, so maybe they should starve to reduce the excess population, after all, we should aspire to be like third world countries apparently. Or hey, maybe you can explain how 5 people can work 1 job. I guess they just aren't trying hard enough? southchurchroad

11:56pm Wed 27 Feb 13

southchurchroad says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
u dont have a clue wrote:
This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke.
and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".

It is NOT a 'human right' to expect me to support you
There aren't enough jobs. Without the means to live, people will either take what they need, or starve.

What's your preference? The inconvenience of stepping over a few stinky corpses in the street (we just know southend council would mess up the collection) or being murdered in your sleep by a burglar who hasn't eaten in a few days?
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u dont have a clue[/bold] wrote: This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke.[/p][/quote]and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work". It is NOT a 'human right' to expect me to support you[/p][/quote]There aren't enough jobs. Without the means to live, people will either take what they need, or starve. What's your preference? The inconvenience of stepping over a few stinky corpses in the street (we just know southend council would mess up the collection) or being murdered in your sleep by a burglar who hasn't eaten in a few days? southchurchroad

1:24am Thu 28 Feb 13

emcee says...

asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?
...and English is certainly not your strong point. "People in glass houses..."
[quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?[/p][/quote]...and English is certainly not your strong point. "People in glass houses..." emcee

1:31am Thu 28 Feb 13

Lastlaugh... says...

If a society is judged by the help it offers its poor and vulnerable..Where would this country stand now? Its going to get worse..even for you smug people!
If a society is judged by the help it offers its poor and vulnerable..Where would this country stand now? Its going to get worse..even for you smug people! Lastlaugh...

1:35am Thu 28 Feb 13

emcee says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
u dont have a clue wrote:
This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke.
and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".

It is NOT a 'human right' to expect me to support you
Did you not read the article, or Mr Cooke's response?
The fact you live here, in the UK, means you, like it or not, are signed up to help your fellow man, in their hour of need, through payment of your taxes. This has nothing to do with human rights, it is all to do with living in a modern, (supposedly) caring society. If you do not like this arrangement there are other countries of this world that will be happy to accommodate the fascist idealism many posters have spewed in this comments section.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u dont have a clue[/bold] wrote: This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke.[/p][/quote]and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work". It is NOT a 'human right' to expect me to support you[/p][/quote]Did you not read the article, or Mr Cooke's response? The fact you live here, in the UK, means you, like it or not, are signed up to help your fellow man, in their hour of need, through payment of your taxes. This has nothing to do with human rights, it is all to do with living in a modern, (supposedly) caring society. If you do not like this arrangement there are other countries of this world that will be happy to accommodate the fascist idealism many posters have spewed in this comments section. emcee

10:02am Thu 28 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

emcee wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
u dont have a clue wrote:
This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke.
and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".

It is NOT a 'human right' to expect me to support you
Did you not read the article, or Mr Cooke's response?
The fact you live here, in the UK, means you, like it or not, are signed up to help your fellow man, in their hour of need, through payment of your taxes. This has nothing to do with human rights, it is all to do with living in a modern, (supposedly) caring society. If you do not like this arrangement there are other countries of this world that will be happy to accommodate the fascist idealism many posters have spewed in this comments section.
like it or not mr. cooke has chosen to be tried in the court of public opinion. last time i checked free speech was still permitted in this country (although clearly not popular in these parts). perhaps you'd rather relocate to a country where free speech is outlawed.
mr cooke, given the opportunity to defend his position and gain sympathy from the sceptics, makes an abysmal attempt to put his case instead resorting to a bitter diatribe effectively conceding that he is not looking for work... if you can't toe the line then time to quit the whine
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u dont have a clue[/bold] wrote: This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke.[/p][/quote]and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work". It is NOT a 'human right' to expect me to support you[/p][/quote]Did you not read the article, or Mr Cooke's response? The fact you live here, in the UK, means you, like it or not, are signed up to help your fellow man, in their hour of need, through payment of your taxes. This has nothing to do with human rights, it is all to do with living in a modern, (supposedly) caring society. If you do not like this arrangement there are other countries of this world that will be happy to accommodate the fascist idealism many posters have spewed in this comments section.[/p][/quote]like it or not mr. cooke has chosen to be tried in the court of public opinion. last time i checked free speech was still permitted in this country (although clearly not popular in these parts). perhaps you'd rather relocate to a country where free speech is outlawed. mr cooke, given the opportunity to defend his position and gain sympathy from the sceptics, makes an abysmal attempt to put his case instead resorting to a bitter diatribe effectively conceding that he is not looking for work... if you can't toe the line then time to quit the whine asbo in a coma

10:49am Thu 28 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

heartbeat wrote:
jayman wrote:
How-ironic wrote:
jayman wrote:
I hate the police wrote:
Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.
or not.....

this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work.

if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work.

try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding..

The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare..
Why should the state have to support people who become unemployed?
I pay monthly to have income protection in case of redundancy which covers my salary of the worse happens, this should be mandatory.
such protection is an abstract consideration on minimum wage when financial provision for food is your top priority!
Yes and apart from the cost which is absolutely prohibitive for anyone on minimum wage, or in "we'll call you when we want you" kind of employment, just try getting insurance to cover redundancy if you've ever had a serious illness! Or even if you're over 50 (and don't forget we've all now got to work or be considered "scroungers" until our late 60s - no arthritis or getting doddery allowed! Who on EARTH is going to want to employ the millions of people who have had serious illnesses and are the wrong side of 50 (or even 60) when there aren't even enough jobs for fit and healthy, fast-learning 20-somethings? I'm quite sure I wouldn't if I was an employer and my main concern was to have a successful business that was viable financially.

And what a complete joke that age-discrimination is supposed to be illegal - application forms always ask the date you passed your exams - something of a giveaway if you passed your O levels in the 1960s!

Don't let something like that worry you though - all those "holier than thou's" who are practically perfect in every way obviously seem to know they have a Divine Right to unfailing perfect health for the next 60 years or so and will never, ever fall foul of a company "reshuffle".
Age discrimination is illegal. If you find an application form that asks the date you passed your exams you should take it to the Job Centre for them to follow up. It should ask what qualifications you hold. You can get round this by simply reply; Maths A English Lang A English Lit B History B You can then follow with A Level English B, A Level Maths B etc... That way you don’t have to divulge if the first lot are GCE or GCSE. The employer, by law should have no idea how old the applicant is until they walk through the door for interview.
Only fools will put date exams passed on their CV’s
[quote][p][bold]heartbeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]How-ironic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: Looks like a great member of society. So this is what our taxes go on.[/p][/quote]or not..... this is how the state supports individuals who loose their job or can find appropriate work. if you think being right wing and in fear and loathing of everything is hard, self consuming work. try becoming unemployed through redundancy and asking a Tory government for help and understanding.. The Tories could offer job seekers more dignity and respect and hand out swords to throw themselves on. This would be preferable and less harmful then the current Tory nightmare..[/p][/quote]Why should the state have to support people who become unemployed? I pay monthly to have income protection in case of redundancy which covers my salary of the worse happens, this should be mandatory.[/p][/quote]such protection is an abstract consideration on minimum wage when financial provision for food is your top priority![/p][/quote]Yes and apart from the cost which is absolutely prohibitive for anyone on minimum wage, or in "we'll call you when we want you" kind of employment, just try getting insurance to cover redundancy if you've ever had a serious illness! Or even if you're over 50 (and don't forget we've all now got to work or be considered "scroungers" until our late 60s - no arthritis or getting doddery allowed! Who on EARTH is going to want to employ the millions of people who have had serious illnesses and are the wrong side of 50 (or even 60) when there aren't even enough jobs for fit and healthy, fast-learning 20-somethings? I'm quite sure I wouldn't if I was an employer and my main concern was to have a successful business that was viable financially. And what a complete joke that age-discrimination is supposed to be illegal - application forms always ask the date you passed your exams - something of a giveaway if you passed your O levels in the 1960s! Don't let something like that worry you though - all those "holier than thou's" who are practically perfect in every way obviously seem to know they have a Divine Right to unfailing perfect health for the next 60 years or so and will never, ever fall foul of a company "reshuffle".[/p][/quote]Age discrimination is illegal. If you find an application form that asks the date you passed your exams you should take it to the Job Centre for them to follow up. It should ask what qualifications you hold. You can get round this by simply reply; Maths A English Lang A English Lit B History B You can then follow with A Level English B, A Level Maths B etc... That way you don’t have to divulge if the first lot are GCE or GCSE. The employer, by law should have no idea how old the applicant is until they walk through the door for interview. Only fools will put date exams passed on their CV’s stopmoaning1

12:27pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Beth the original one says...

i actually havent got a problem with the benefit system as the idea of helping someone who has hit bad times is fundamentally a good idea. However my problem arises from the attitude that "i owe them a living" and the "why should i go to work, when i get more on benefits" brigade. I resent working my arse off to be worse off than those that sit on their arses and do sweet fa. I resent having to pay my taxes to the "wont work" brigade but "i will spew out umpteen brats by fathers unknown" brigade, for you to support. Those that abuse the system for their own selfish wants are what has made the above position untenable. Work is out there, but it may not be what you want to do. I was made redundant when Eon closed its office in rayleigh, but i did find another job in 6 wks so can be done
i actually havent got a problem with the benefit system as the idea of helping someone who has hit bad times is fundamentally a good idea. However my problem arises from the attitude that "i owe them a living" and the "why should i go to work, when i get more on benefits" brigade. I resent working my arse off to be worse off than those that sit on their arses and do sweet fa. I resent having to pay my taxes to the "wont work" brigade but "i will spew out umpteen brats by fathers unknown" brigade, for you to support. Those that abuse the system for their own selfish wants are what has made the above position untenable. Work is out there, but it may not be what you want to do. I was made redundant when Eon closed its office in rayleigh, but i did find another job in 6 wks so can be done Beth the original one

12:28pm Thu 28 Feb 13

ricardo62 says...

asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?
Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,
[quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?[/p][/quote]Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales , ricardo62

1:03pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Alekhine says...

southchurchroad wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote: "people are trying as hard as they can". the clown can't even fill out a form. try inhabiting the real world. communism failed. let's not rework a failed experiment
We do have socialism in this country, only it applies only to the very rich- the ones getting subsidies, the ones dodging hundreds of billions of pounds in tax, the ones getting fat contracts with no oversight from the government. They take far, far, far more than any fictional "dole scrounging jeremy kyle wannabe druggie yobbo criminal scum" could dream of. But you seem just fine with that. Of course, if you actually looked at why people are being sanctioned, rather than relying on your convenient prejudices, you would find out that due to ever increasing rules and regulations, genuine jobseekers are getting sanctioned for the pettiest of reasons, or flat out mistakes from overworked DWP staff. Hence the use of foodbanks e.t.c raising 5 fold in the last year. But hey, they aren't working jobs that don't exist, so maybe they should starve to reduce the excess population, after all, we should aspire to be like third world countries apparently. Or hey, maybe you can explain how 5 people can work 1 job. I guess they just aren't trying hard enough?
Agreed, and efforts are being made to tackle it viz Costa Coffee etc, but this is not socialism, it is corruption.........o
h wait a minute.
[quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: "people are trying as hard as they can". the clown can't even fill out a form. try inhabiting the real world. communism failed. let's not rework a failed experiment[/p][/quote]We do have socialism in this country, only it applies only to the very rich- the ones getting subsidies, the ones dodging hundreds of billions of pounds in tax, the ones getting fat contracts with no oversight from the government. They take far, far, far more than any fictional "dole scrounging jeremy kyle wannabe druggie yobbo criminal scum" could dream of. But you seem just fine with that. Of course, if you actually looked at why people are being sanctioned, rather than relying on your convenient prejudices, you would find out that due to ever increasing rules and regulations, genuine jobseekers are getting sanctioned for the pettiest of reasons, or flat out mistakes from overworked DWP staff. Hence the use of foodbanks e.t.c raising 5 fold in the last year. But hey, they aren't working jobs that don't exist, so maybe they should starve to reduce the excess population, after all, we should aspire to be like third world countries apparently. Or hey, maybe you can explain how 5 people can work 1 job. I guess they just aren't trying hard enough?[/p][/quote]Agreed, and efforts are being made to tackle it viz Costa Coffee etc, but this is not socialism, it is corruption.........o h wait a minute. Alekhine

2:22pm Thu 28 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

ricardo62 wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?
Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,
why confine yourself to just car sales...?
[quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?[/p][/quote]Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,[/p][/quote]why confine yourself to just car sales...? asbo in a coma

2:55pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Rachie says...

asbo in a coma wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?
Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,
why confine yourself to just car sales...?
Did he though? He just said he had addressed it to anyone that needed reliable employees with experience of car sales. NOT that he'd only sent it to car sales firms.

Don't criticise his skills before checking your own.
[quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?[/p][/quote]Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,[/p][/quote]why confine yourself to just car sales...?[/p][/quote]Did he though? He just said he had addressed it to anyone that needed reliable employees with experience of car sales. NOT that he'd only sent it to car sales firms. Don't criticise his skills before checking your own. Rachie

2:59pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Basildon30 says...

Asbo in a coma is clearly a wind-up merchant.
Asbo in a coma is clearly a wind-up merchant. Basildon30

2:59pm Thu 28 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

ricardo62 wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?
Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,
Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.
[quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?[/p][/quote]Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,[/p][/quote]Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle. stopmoaning1

3:26pm Thu 28 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

emcee wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
u dont have a clue wrote:
This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke.
and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".

It is NOT a 'human right' to expect me to support you
Did you not read the article, or Mr Cooke's response?
The fact you live here, in the UK, means you, like it or not, are signed up to help your fellow man, in their hour of need, through payment of your taxes. This has nothing to do with human rights, it is all to do with living in a modern, (supposedly) caring society. If you do not like this arrangement there are other countries of this world that will be happy to accommodate the fascist idealism many posters have spewed in this comments section.
Yes I did. he was spouting on a bout Human Rights. Not relevant in this story!
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]u dont have a clue[/bold] wrote: This is Mr Cooke for most of you idots you really dont have a clue I was made redundant in June 2012.I dont live at home with my parents never have done.I have applied for many jobs am not a "lazy layabout" do not drink or take drugs and have had many jobs in my life and as such have got many skills.It is hard to get work when so many are applying for same positions and as for my appearance as stated above I am not in a position when I have no income or home to look respectable.The new regulations were put in place in October so even genuine jobseekers should take heed as this sanctions can be placed at their discretion without any warning or without a suitable explanation to why.To all that consider jobless people to be lazy some are geniune and can redundancy can befall anybody this day and age and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work".People fortunate enough to find work you are the lucky ones but do not sit and judge others who through no fault of their have suffered such misfortune.For those who understand my position I thank you for those with such biggoted opinions get you facts right!Mr N.Cooke.[/p][/quote]and is against anyones human rights to be left with nothing to live on in a country that is not a third world country left to starve just because you are deemed "to be not looking for work". It is NOT a 'human right' to expect me to support you[/p][/quote]Did you not read the article, or Mr Cooke's response? The fact you live here, in the UK, means you, like it or not, are signed up to help your fellow man, in their hour of need, through payment of your taxes. This has nothing to do with human rights, it is all to do with living in a modern, (supposedly) caring society. If you do not like this arrangement there are other countries of this world that will be happy to accommodate the fascist idealism many posters have spewed in this comments section.[/p][/quote]Yes I did. he was spouting on a bout Human Rights. Not relevant in this story! stopmoaning1

4:13pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Phil McCrakin says...

Recent surveys show that 9 out of 10 people who contribute to this site are complete nutters.
Recent surveys show that 9 out of 10 people who contribute to this site are complete nutters. Phil McCrakin

4:30pm Thu 28 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Only 9, I thought we were all mad
Only 9, I thought we were all mad stopmoaning1

5:04pm Thu 28 Feb 13

ricardo62 says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?
Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,
Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.
Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business
im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?[/p][/quote]Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,[/p][/quote]Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.[/p][/quote]Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job . ricardo62

5:33pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Rachie says...

I wish we had a job for you :( Sadly, we're just too small and we struggle to pay our own wages at the moment.

Unlike you, I'm not a good sales rep :(
I wish we had a job for you :( Sadly, we're just too small and we struggle to pay our own wages at the moment. Unlike you, I'm not a good sales rep :( Rachie

5:59pm Thu 28 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

ricardo62 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?
Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,
Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.
Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business
im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .
I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’
There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone
Any of these reasonable enough?

DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON
East Tilbury
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EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin
g from the City of London Must be polite &...
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DEPUTY MANAGER
Grays
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CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers...
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Westcliff On Sea
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ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone: 01702 344933 Website: www.st-thomasmore.so
uthend.sch.uk...
Care & Support Workers
Benfleet
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
Care & Support workers required Are you a caring person? Be rewarded in doing what you do best. Full training & NVQ provided. Must be able to work
Care Assistants
Braintree
N/A
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Care & Support Forest Homecare Would you like to work in your own community, delivering high quality care and support to people in their own home?...
SITE ASSISTANTS
RAYLEIGH
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
THE FITZWIMARC SCHOOL Hockley Road, Rayleigh SS6 8EB 01268 743884 2 SITE ASSISTANTS Required as soon as possible 1x PERMANENT 1 x 6 MONTH CONTRACT...
[quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?[/p][/quote]Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,[/p][/quote]Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.[/p][/quote]Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .[/p][/quote]I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’ There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone Any of these reasonable enough? DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON East Tilbury N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin g from the City of London Must be polite &... Save this job Email this job Full details & apply DEPUTY MANAGER Grays N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers... CARETAKER / MAINTENANCE WORKER Westcliff On Sea N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone: 01702 344933 Website: www.st-thomasmore.so uthend.sch.uk... Care & Support Workers Benfleet N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. Care & Support workers required Are you a caring person? Be rewarded in doing what you do best. Full training & NVQ provided. Must be able to work Care Assistants Braintree N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. Care & Support Forest Homecare Would you like to work in your own community, delivering high quality care and support to people in their own home?... SITE ASSISTANTS RAYLEIGH N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. THE FITZWIMARC SCHOOL Hockley Road, Rayleigh SS6 8EB 01268 743884 2 SITE ASSISTANTS Required as soon as possible 1x PERMANENT 1 x 6 MONTH CONTRACT... stopmoaning1

6:15pm Thu 28 Feb 13

I hate the police says...

There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon. I hate the police

8:13pm Thu 28 Feb 13

ricardo62 says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?
Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,
Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.
Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business
im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .
I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’
There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone
Any of these reasonable enough?

DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON
East Tilbury
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin

g from the City of London Must be polite &...
Save this job
Email this job
Full details & apply
DEPUTY MANAGER
Grays
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Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers...
CARETAKER / MAINTENANCE WORKER
Westcliff On Sea
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone: 01702 344933 Website: www.st-thomasmore.so

uthend.sch.uk...
Care & Support Workers
Benfleet
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
Care & Support workers required Are you a caring person? Be rewarded in doing what you do best. Full training & NVQ provided. Must be able to work
Care Assistants
Braintree
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
Care & Support Forest Homecare Would you like to work in your own community, delivering high quality care and support to people in their own home?...
SITE ASSISTANTS
RAYLEIGH
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
THE FITZWIMARC SCHOOL Hockley Road, Rayleigh SS6 8EB 01268 743884 2 SITE ASSISTANTS Required as soon as possible 1x PERMANENT 1 x 6 MONTH CONTRACT...
Thank you rachie for your reply , and as to the above post i ought to mention that i live in great bentley nr clacton , so obviously the jobs above would unsuitable owing to the cost in commuting every day , however if i was to be offered a car sales position than that would be worth the commute owing to the potential high earnings which can be achieved .
As i posted earlier it would not be possible for me to work in the care sector it would bring back to many memorys after seeing what my late father had to endure, also i believe its best to use your skills to a job that your suited to , im finding it almost impossible to find employment , i believe my age is a factor ,i think the majority of employers would rather take on a young person than someone of my years , even though i have experiance of managing staff and running a small business ,apart from the fact most jobs nowadays are part time and with my outgoings i need a full time position to cover my living costs .
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?[/p][/quote]Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,[/p][/quote]Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.[/p][/quote]Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .[/p][/quote]I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’ There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone Any of these reasonable enough? DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON East Tilbury N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin g from the City of London Must be polite &... Save this job Email this job Full details & apply DEPUTY MANAGER Grays N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers... CARETAKER / MAINTENANCE WORKER Westcliff On Sea N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone: 01702 344933 Website: www.st-thomasmore.so uthend.sch.uk... Care & Support Workers Benfleet N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. Care & Support workers required Are you a caring person? Be rewarded in doing what you do best. Full training & NVQ provided. Must be able to work Care Assistants Braintree N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. Care & Support Forest Homecare Would you like to work in your own community, delivering high quality care and support to people in their own home?... SITE ASSISTANTS RAYLEIGH N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. THE FITZWIMARC SCHOOL Hockley Road, Rayleigh SS6 8EB 01268 743884 2 SITE ASSISTANTS Required as soon as possible 1x PERMANENT 1 x 6 MONTH CONTRACT...[/p][/quote]Thank you rachie for your reply , and as to the above post i ought to mention that i live in great bentley nr clacton , so obviously the jobs above would unsuitable owing to the cost in commuting every day , however if i was to be offered a car sales position than that would be worth the commute owing to the potential high earnings which can be achieved . As i posted earlier it would not be possible for me to work in the care sector it would bring back to many memorys after seeing what my late father had to endure, also i believe its best to use your skills to a job that your suited to , im finding it almost impossible to find employment , i believe my age is a factor ,i think the majority of employers would rather take on a young person than someone of my years , even though i have experiance of managing staff and running a small business ,apart from the fact most jobs nowadays are part time and with my outgoings i need a full time position to cover my living costs . ricardo62

8:22pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Basildon30 says...

ricardo62 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business
im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’
There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone
Any of these reasonable enough?

DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON
East Tilbury
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin


g from the City of London Must be polite &...
Save this job
Email this job
Full details & apply
DEPUTY MANAGER
Grays
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers...
CARETAKER / MAINTENANCE WORKER
Westcliff On Sea
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone:Without sounding rude, when unemployed and desperate for work, you take what you can. Not being able to work in the care sector because of memories of your late father is not really a valid excuse for not wanting that particular job. As I have said, if you WANT to work which you have said you do then you should be willing to do this type of job.
[quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?[/p][/quote]Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,[/p][/quote]Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.[/p][/quote]Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .[/p][/quote]I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’ There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone Any of these reasonable enough? DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON East Tilbury N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin g from the City of London Must be polite &... Save this job Email this job Full details & apply DEPUTY MANAGER Grays N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers... CARETAKER / MAINTENANCE WORKER Westcliff On Sea N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone:Without sounding rude, when unemployed and desperate for work, you take what you can. Not being able to work in the care sector because of memories of your late father is not really a valid excuse for not wanting that particular job. As I have said, if you WANT to work which you have said you do then you should be willing to do this type of job. Basildon30

8:33pm Thu 28 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

ricardo62 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?
Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,
Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.
Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business
im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .
I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’
There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone
Any of these reasonable enough?

DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON
East Tilbury
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin


g from the City of London Must be polite &...
Save this job
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Full details & apply
DEPUTY MANAGER
Grays
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers...
CARETAKER / MAINTENANCE WORKER
Westcliff On Sea
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone: 01702 344933 Website: www.st-thomasmore.so


uthend.sch.uk...
Care & Support Workers
Benfleet
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
Care & Support workers required Are you a caring person? Be rewarded in doing what you do best. Full training & NVQ provided. Must be able to work
Care Assistants
Braintree
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
Care & Support Forest Homecare Would you like to work in your own community, delivering high quality care and support to people in their own home?...
SITE ASSISTANTS
RAYLEIGH
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
THE FITZWIMARC SCHOOL Hockley Road, Rayleigh SS6 8EB 01268 743884 2 SITE ASSISTANTS Required as soon as possible 1x PERMANENT 1 x 6 MONTH CONTRACT...
Thank you rachie for your reply , and as to the above post i ought to mention that i live in great bentley nr clacton , so obviously the jobs above would unsuitable owing to the cost in commuting every day , however if i was to be offered a car sales position than that would be worth the commute owing to the potential high earnings which can be achieved .
As i posted earlier it would not be possible for me to work in the care sector it would bring back to many memorys after seeing what my late father had to endure, also i believe its best to use your skills to a job that your suited to , im finding it almost impossible to find employment , i believe my age is a factor ,i think the majority of employers would rather take on a young person than someone of my years , even though i have experiance of managing staff and running a small business ,apart from the fact most jobs nowadays are part time and with my outgoings i need a full time position to cover my living costs .
Well there we are. Reasons NOT to apply for a job. Enough said.
[quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?[/p][/quote]Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,[/p][/quote]Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.[/p][/quote]Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .[/p][/quote]I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’ There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone Any of these reasonable enough? DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON East Tilbury N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin g from the City of London Must be polite &... Save this job Email this job Full details & apply DEPUTY MANAGER Grays N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers... CARETAKER / MAINTENANCE WORKER Westcliff On Sea N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone: 01702 344933 Website: www.st-thomasmore.so uthend.sch.uk... Care & Support Workers Benfleet N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. Care & Support workers required Are you a caring person? Be rewarded in doing what you do best. Full training & NVQ provided. Must be able to work Care Assistants Braintree N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. Care & Support Forest Homecare Would you like to work in your own community, delivering high quality care and support to people in their own home?... SITE ASSISTANTS RAYLEIGH N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. THE FITZWIMARC SCHOOL Hockley Road, Rayleigh SS6 8EB 01268 743884 2 SITE ASSISTANTS Required as soon as possible 1x PERMANENT 1 x 6 MONTH CONTRACT...[/p][/quote]Thank you rachie for your reply , and as to the above post i ought to mention that i live in great bentley nr clacton , so obviously the jobs above would unsuitable owing to the cost in commuting every day , however if i was to be offered a car sales position than that would be worth the commute owing to the potential high earnings which can be achieved . As i posted earlier it would not be possible for me to work in the care sector it would bring back to many memorys after seeing what my late father had to endure, also i believe its best to use your skills to a job that your suited to , im finding it almost impossible to find employment , i believe my age is a factor ,i think the majority of employers would rather take on a young person than someone of my years , even though i have experiance of managing staff and running a small business ,apart from the fact most jobs nowadays are part time and with my outgoings i need a full time position to cover my living costs .[/p][/quote]Well there we are. Reasons NOT to apply for a job. Enough said. stopmoaning1

8:38pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Basildon30 says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business
im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’
There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone
Any of these reasonable enough?

DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON
East Tilbury
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin



g from the City of London Must be polite &...
Save this job
Email this job
Full details & apply
DEPUTY MANAGER
Grays
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers...
CARETAKER / MAINTENANCE WORKER
Westcliff On Sea
N/A
Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.
ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone:Sounds to me like Mr Cooke actually doesn't want to work, and to think I have been sticking up for him.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?[/p][/quote]Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,[/p][/quote]Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.[/p][/quote]Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .[/p][/quote]I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’ There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone Any of these reasonable enough? DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON East Tilbury N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin g from the City of London Must be polite &... Save this job Email this job Full details & apply DEPUTY MANAGER Grays N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers... CARETAKER / MAINTENANCE WORKER Westcliff On Sea N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone:Sounds to me like Mr Cooke actually doesn't want to work, and to think I have been sticking up for him. Basildon30

8:43pm Thu 28 Feb 13

ricardo62 says...

Basildon30 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business
im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’
There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone
Any of these reasonable enough?

DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON
East Tilbury
N/A
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EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin



g from the City of London Must be polite &...
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DEPUTY MANAGER
Grays
N/A
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CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers...
CARETAKER / MAINTENANCE WORKER
Westcliff On Sea
N/A
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ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone:Without sounding rude, when unemployed and desperate for work, you take what you can. Not being able to work in the care sector because of memories of your late father is not really a valid excuse for not wanting that particular job. As I have said, if you WANT to work which you have said you do then you should be willing to do this type of job.I just cannot do that kind of work , i could not be even in the same room when the carers were giving him personal care , as i stated i need a reasonable earning position to cover my rent, gas, electric , food etc etc and apart from the fact im a ambitious person and would like to think i could climb the ladder so to speak, as i stated my skills are in communicating and explaining features of a product and benefits , i think people should work in a job were there skills are best suited in my case , driving ex hgv class1 (20 yrs) or sales or management ..
[quote][p][bold]Basildon30[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?[/p][/quote]Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,[/p][/quote]Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.[/p][/quote]Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .[/p][/quote]I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’ There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone Any of these reasonable enough? DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON East Tilbury N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin g from the City of London Must be polite &... Save this job Email this job Full details & apply DEPUTY MANAGER Grays N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers... CARETAKER / MAINTENANCE WORKER Westcliff On Sea N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone:Without sounding rude, when unemployed and desperate for work, you take what you can. Not being able to work in the care sector because of memories of your late father is not really a valid excuse for not wanting that particular job. As I have said, if you WANT to work which you have said you do then you should be willing to do this type of job.[/p][/quote]I just cannot do that kind of work , i could not be even in the same room when the carers were giving him personal care , as i stated i need a reasonable earning position to cover my rent, gas, electric , food etc etc and apart from the fact im a ambitious person and would like to think i could climb the ladder so to speak, as i stated my skills are in communicating and explaining features of a product and benefits , i think people should work in a job were there skills are best suited in my case , driving ex hgv class1 (20 yrs) or sales or management .. ricardo62

8:44pm Thu 28 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Basildon30 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business
im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’
There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone
Any of these reasonable enough?

DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON
East Tilbury
N/A
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EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin




g from the City of London Must be polite &...
Save this job
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DEPUTY MANAGER
Grays
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CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers...
CARETAKER / MAINTENANCE WORKER
Westcliff On Sea
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ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone:Sounds to me like Mr Cooke actually doesn't want to work, and to think I have been sticking up for him.Here we are, all on this site, again on the first few pages. So are THEASE reasonable enough?

Cleaner
Colchester
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Hazelmere Infants School & Nursery Hawthorn Avenue, Colchester CO4 3JP 01206 861836 CLEANER REQUIRED 10 hours per week 15.00 - 17.00 Monday to...
Home Carers
Clacton-on-Sea
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Home Carers required within Clacton & Colchester and surrounding areasIf you are flexible, reliable, compassionate and caring we would like you to...
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Facilities Manager
Clacton On Sea
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Facilities Manager£22,221 - £25,473 per annumRequired as soon as possible We are looking to recruit a Facilities Manager who will monitor performance...
[quote][p][bold]Basildon30[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?[/p][/quote]Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,[/p][/quote]Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.[/p][/quote]Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .[/p][/quote]I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’ There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone Any of these reasonable enough? DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON East Tilbury N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin g from the City of London Must be polite &... Save this job Email this job Full details & apply DEPUTY MANAGER Grays N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers... CARETAKER / MAINTENANCE WORKER Westcliff On Sea N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone:Sounds to me like Mr Cooke actually doesn't want to work, and to think I have been sticking up for him.[/p][/quote]Here we are, all on this site, again on the first few pages. So are THEASE reasonable enough? Cleaner Colchester N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. Hazelmere Infants School & Nursery Hawthorn Avenue, Colchester CO4 3JP 01206 861836 CLEANER REQUIRED 10 hours per week 15.00 - 17.00 Monday to... Home Carers Clacton-on-Sea N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. Home Carers required within Clacton & Colchester and surrounding areasIf you are flexible, reliable, compassionate and caring we would like you to... Email this job Full details & apply Facilities Manager Clacton On Sea N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. Facilities Manager£22,221 - £25,473 per annumRequired as soon as possible We are looking to recruit a Facilities Manager who will monitor performance... stopmoaning1

8:56pm Thu 28 Feb 13

ricardo62 says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?
Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,
Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.
Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business
im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .
I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’
There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone
Any of these reasonable enough?

DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON
East Tilbury
N/A
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EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin



g from the City of London Must be polite &...
Save this job
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Full details & apply
DEPUTY MANAGER
Grays
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CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers...
CARETAKER / MAINTENANCE WORKER
Westcliff On Sea
N/A
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ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone: 01702 344933 Website: www.st-thomasmore.so



uthend.sch.uk...
Care & Support Workers
Benfleet
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Care & Support workers required Are you a caring person? Be rewarded in doing what you do best. Full training & NVQ provided. Must be able to work
Care Assistants
Braintree
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Care & Support Forest Homecare Would you like to work in your own community, delivering high quality care and support to people in their own home?...
SITE ASSISTANTS
RAYLEIGH
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THE FITZWIMARC SCHOOL Hockley Road, Rayleigh SS6 8EB 01268 743884 2 SITE ASSISTANTS Required as soon as possible 1x PERMANENT 1 x 6 MONTH CONTRACT...
Thank you rachie for your reply , and as to the above post i ought to mention that i live in great bentley nr clacton , so obviously the jobs above would unsuitable owing to the cost in commuting every day , however if i was to be offered a car sales position than that would be worth the commute owing to the potential high earnings which can be achieved .
As i posted earlier it would not be possible for me to work in the care sector it would bring back to many memorys after seeing what my late father had to endure, also i believe its best to use your skills to a job that your suited to , im finding it almost impossible to find employment , i believe my age is a factor ,i think the majority of employers would rather take on a young person than someone of my years , even though i have experiance of managing staff and running a small business ,apart from the fact most jobs nowadays are part time and with my outgoings i need a full time position to cover my living costs .
Well there we are. Reasons NOT to apply for a job. Enough said.
Not at all factor in the cost of commuting to tilbury or southend to work on a minum wage and the cost of travelling would be prohibitive , im sure you know the costs involved ... and before you sweepingly say i can and should do personal care , well with all due respect unless you have witnessed first hand you fateher suffering and dying in your home in front of your very eyes , i dont think you are qualified to make that judgement ..
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: so instead of a chippy rant, give us your cv mr cooke. what are your skills? i'm assuming form filling is not top of the list?[/p][/quote]Hi asbo as per my earlier post i will gladly send you my c/v with my list of qualifications 6 o levels and experiance of running a small business , i still am waiting for an e mail to my request , to any employers who need a hard working reliable employee with experiance of car sales ,[/p][/quote]Don’t apply for anything that requires a basic grasp of spelling and grammar though. You’ve already fallen at that hurdle.[/p][/quote]Fair enough i concede that maybe my written grammar is not quite up to scratch , however i have good people skills and im able to converse in a clear manner , and im not bracketing myself with just car sales its just that that is my forte, and i have knowledge and experiance of said business im willing to do delivery driving if need be , however car sales would give me the opportunity to progress and earn a good wage , but beggars cant be choosers and any reasonable job would be better than no job .[/p][/quote]I’m not being deliberately obstructive, but what do you mean by ‘any reasonable job’ There are 94 vacancies currently on this site and the below are the first two pages alone Any of these reasonable enough? DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON East Tilbury N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. EARLY MORNING DRIVER / WAREHOUSE PERSON (5.30am - 1.30pm) Working from East Tilbury Delivering/Collectin g from the City of London Must be polite &... Save this job Email this job Full details & apply DEPUTY MANAGER Grays N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. CARE & SUPPORT WORKERS Required for Thurrock and surrounding areas. Full training given / Block full time or part time work available. Drivers... CARETAKER / MAINTENANCE WORKER Westcliff On Sea N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. ST. THOMAS MORE HIGH SCHOOL Kenilworth Gardens, Westcliff-on-Sea, Essex. SSO OBW. Telephone: 01702 344933 Website: www.st-thomasmore.so uthend.sch.uk... Care & Support Workers Benfleet N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. Care & Support workers required Are you a caring person? Be rewarded in doing what you do best. Full training & NVQ provided. Must be able to work Care Assistants Braintree N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. Care & Support Forest Homecare Would you like to work in your own community, delivering high quality care and support to people in their own home?... SITE ASSISTANTS RAYLEIGH N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. THE FITZWIMARC SCHOOL Hockley Road, Rayleigh SS6 8EB 01268 743884 2 SITE ASSISTANTS Required as soon as possible 1x PERMANENT 1 x 6 MONTH CONTRACT...[/p][/quote]Thank you rachie for your reply , and as to the above post i ought to mention that i live in great bentley nr clacton , so obviously the jobs above would unsuitable owing to the cost in commuting every day , however if i was to be offered a car sales position than that would be worth the commute owing to the potential high earnings which can be achieved . As i posted earlier it would not be possible for me to work in the care sector it would bring back to many memorys after seeing what my late father had to endure, also i believe its best to use your skills to a job that your suited to , im finding it almost impossible to find employment , i believe my age is a factor ,i think the majority of employers would rather take on a young person than someone of my years , even though i have experiance of managing staff and running a small business ,apart from the fact most jobs nowadays are part time and with my outgoings i need a full time position to cover my living costs .[/p][/quote]Well there we are. Reasons NOT to apply for a job. Enough said.[/p][/quote]Not at all factor in the cost of commuting to tilbury or southend to work on a minum wage and the cost of travelling would be prohibitive , im sure you know the costs involved ... and before you sweepingly say i can and should do personal care , well with all due respect unless you have witnessed first hand you fateher suffering and dying in your home in front of your very eyes , i dont think you are qualified to make that judgement .. ricardo62

9:11pm Thu 28 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

Look at the latest posts with jobs more local to you.
As for caring for and watching my own parents die, been there, done that. TWICE. Fully qualified thank you very much!
Look at the latest posts with jobs more local to you. As for caring for and watching my own parents die, been there, done that. TWICE. Fully qualified thank you very much! stopmoaning1

9:13pm Thu 28 Feb 13

stopmoaning1 says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
Look at the latest posts with jobs more local to you.
As for caring for and watching my own parents die, been there, done that. TWICE. Fully qualified thank you very much!
Here we are, I've even posted them again for you

Cleaner
Colchester
N/A
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Hazelmere Infants School & Nursery Hawthorn Avenue, Colchester CO4 3JP 01206 861836 CLEANER REQUIRED 10 hours per week 15.00 - 17.00 Monday to...
Home Carers
Clacton-on-Sea
N/A
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Home Carers required within Clacton & Colchester and surrounding areasIf you are flexible, reliable, compassionate and caring we would like you to...
Email this job
Full details & apply
Facilities Manager
Clacton On Sea
N/A
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Facilities Manager£22,221 - £25,473 per annumRequired as soon as possible We are looking to recruit a Facilities Manager who will monitor performance
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: Look at the latest posts with jobs more local to you. As for caring for and watching my own parents die, been there, done that. TWICE. Fully qualified thank you very much![/p][/quote]Here we are, I've even posted them again for you Cleaner Colchester N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. Hazelmere Infants School & Nursery Hawthorn Avenue, Colchester CO4 3JP 01206 861836 CLEANER REQUIRED 10 hours per week 15.00 - 17.00 Monday to... Home Carers Clacton-on-Sea N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. Home Carers required within Clacton & Colchester and surrounding areasIf you are flexible, reliable, compassionate and caring we would like you to... Email this job Full details & apply Facilities Manager Clacton On Sea N/A Error! Hyperlink reference not valid. Facilities Manager£22,221 - £25,473 per annumRequired as soon as possible We are looking to recruit a Facilities Manager who will monitor performance stopmoaning1

9:23pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Nebs says...

Rachie wrote:
Nebs wrote:
everyoneh850 wrote:
Nebs wrote:
everyoneh850 wrote:
Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.
There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.
On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.
How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??
Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance.
Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages.
Are you joking? I have my own business.

6 years ago though our previous one collapsed, not a fly by night you understand? A well respected local printing firm started 30 years previously by my father in law. With the invention of home PC's and 'vistaprint' it has become a dying trade and we were dependent on our few large customers. In the space of a year one of our biggest started an in house print shop, and another went bust owing us £1000s.

We lost everything. Our home, our business and our self respect. We lived in B & B provided by the council and our children suffered for it.

We were lucky. Some friends helped us out and slowly we picked up the pieces and started again working from a rented house.

Start a business.... you make me laugh. Do you know how much we pay in taxes and VAT and all the other sundries and paperwork that companies house insists on?

You have no idea or concept of reality!
Yes, I do know about taxes and paperwork and companies house. I run my own businesses.
So do you by the sounds of it, so why do you have a problem with other people starting their own business.
[quote][p][bold]Rachie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Audioman[/bold] wrote: Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB. Plenty of work out there I have a friend who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too. So there is plenty of work if you try.[/p][/quote]There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.[/p][/quote]On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.[/p][/quote]How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??[/p][/quote]Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance. Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages.[/p][/quote]Are you joking? I have my own business. 6 years ago though our previous one collapsed, not a fly by night you understand? A well respected local printing firm started 30 years previously by my father in law. With the invention of home PC's and 'vistaprint' it has become a dying trade and we were dependent on our few large customers. In the space of a year one of our biggest started an in house print shop, and another went bust owing us £1000s. We lost everything. Our home, our business and our self respect. We lived in B & B provided by the council and our children suffered for it. We were lucky. Some friends helped us out and slowly we picked up the pieces and started again working from a rented house. Start a business.... you make me laugh. Do you know how much we pay in taxes and VAT and all the other sundries and paperwork that companies house insists on? You have no idea or concept of reality![/p][/quote]Yes, I do know about taxes and paperwork and companies house. I run my own businesses. So do you by the sounds of it, so why do you have a problem with other people starting their own business. Nebs

9:46pm Thu 28 Feb 13

ricardo62 says...

I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .
I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak . ricardo62

10:32pm Thu 28 Feb 13

asbo in a coma says...

ricardo62 wrote:
I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .
stay positive but be more flexible. remember it's always easier to get a job when you're in employment already. so as a step stone just roll up your sleeves and be less picky. consider it an investment in yourself. good luck to you.
[quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .[/p][/quote]stay positive but be more flexible. remember it's always easier to get a job when you're in employment already. so as a step stone just roll up your sleeves and be less picky. consider it an investment in yourself. good luck to you. asbo in a coma

10:57pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Rachie says...

Nebs wrote:
Rachie wrote:
Nebs wrote:
everyoneh850 wrote:
Nebs wrote:
everyoneh850 wrote:
Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.
There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.
On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.
How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??
Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance.
Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages.
Are you joking? I have my own business.

6 years ago though our previous one collapsed, not a fly by night you understand? A well respected local printing firm started 30 years previously by my father in law. With the invention of home PC's and 'vistaprint' it has become a dying trade and we were dependent on our few large customers. In the space of a year one of our biggest started an in house print shop, and another went bust owing us £1000s.

We lost everything. Our home, our business and our self respect. We lived in B & B provided by the council and our children suffered for it.

We were lucky. Some friends helped us out and slowly we picked up the pieces and started again working from a rented house.

Start a business.... you make me laugh. Do you know how much we pay in taxes and VAT and all the other sundries and paperwork that companies house insists on?

You have no idea or concept of reality!
Yes, I do know about taxes and paperwork and companies house. I run my own businesses.
So do you by the sounds of it, so why do you have a problem with other people starting their own business.
LOL what gave it away? Was it the first line where I said I did? (smiles in a jocular fashion so as not to be misconstrued)

Because waking up one morning and saying 'today I think I'll start my own business' isn't a good plan for anyone. Neither is trawling through the Yellow Pages looking for an idea to form a business. Both ways are destined to fail ultimately.

You need to research, use your own skills and have the capital for whatever it is you choose to do.

I'm not against starting a business, I believe the small businesses are what's holding it all together at the moment. What I AM against is starting a business without looking into potential pitfalls and regulations etc.
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rachie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Audioman[/bold] wrote: Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB. Plenty of work out there I have a friend who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too. So there is plenty of work if you try.[/p][/quote]There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.[/p][/quote]On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.[/p][/quote]How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??[/p][/quote]Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance. Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages.[/p][/quote]Are you joking? I have my own business. 6 years ago though our previous one collapsed, not a fly by night you understand? A well respected local printing firm started 30 years previously by my father in law. With the invention of home PC's and 'vistaprint' it has become a dying trade and we were dependent on our few large customers. In the space of a year one of our biggest started an in house print shop, and another went bust owing us £1000s. We lost everything. Our home, our business and our self respect. We lived in B & B provided by the council and our children suffered for it. We were lucky. Some friends helped us out and slowly we picked up the pieces and started again working from a rented house. Start a business.... you make me laugh. Do you know how much we pay in taxes and VAT and all the other sundries and paperwork that companies house insists on? You have no idea or concept of reality![/p][/quote]Yes, I do know about taxes and paperwork and companies house. I run my own businesses. So do you by the sounds of it, so why do you have a problem with other people starting their own business.[/p][/quote]LOL what gave it away? Was it the first line where I said I did? (smiles in a jocular fashion so as not to be misconstrued) Because waking up one morning and saying 'today I think I'll start my own business' isn't a good plan for anyone. Neither is trawling through the Yellow Pages looking for an idea to form a business. Both ways are destined to fail ultimately. You need to research, use your own skills and have the capital for whatever it is you choose to do. I'm not against starting a business, I believe the small businesses are what's holding it all together at the moment. What I AM against is starting a business without looking into potential pitfalls and regulations etc. Rachie

11:47pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Nebs says...

Rachie wrote:
Nebs wrote:
Rachie wrote:
Nebs wrote:
everyoneh850 wrote:
Nebs wrote:
everyoneh850 wrote:
Audioman wrote:
Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB.
Plenty of work out there I have a friend
who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too.
So there is plenty of work if you try.
There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.
On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.
How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??
Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance.
Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages.
Are you joking? I have my own business.

6 years ago though our previous one collapsed, not a fly by night you understand? A well respected local printing firm started 30 years previously by my father in law. With the invention of home PC's and 'vistaprint' it has become a dying trade and we were dependent on our few large customers. In the space of a year one of our biggest started an in house print shop, and another went bust owing us £1000s.

We lost everything. Our home, our business and our self respect. We lived in B & B provided by the council and our children suffered for it.

We were lucky. Some friends helped us out and slowly we picked up the pieces and started again working from a rented house.

Start a business.... you make me laugh. Do you know how much we pay in taxes and VAT and all the other sundries and paperwork that companies house insists on?

You have no idea or concept of reality!
Yes, I do know about taxes and paperwork and companies house. I run my own businesses.
So do you by the sounds of it, so why do you have a problem with other people starting their own business.
LOL what gave it away? Was it the first line where I said I did? (smiles in a jocular fashion so as not to be misconstrued)

Because waking up one morning and saying 'today I think I'll start my own business' isn't a good plan for anyone. Neither is trawling through the Yellow Pages looking for an idea to form a business. Both ways are destined to fail ultimately.

You need to research, use your own skills and have the capital for whatever it is you choose to do.

I'm not against starting a business, I believe the small businesses are what's holding it all together at the moment. What I AM against is starting a business without looking into potential pitfalls and regulations etc.
If you are unemployed, have no prospect of getting employment, have sent out a zillion CV's with no replies, whats wrong with putting a card in a shop window offering to do gardening or cleaning or painting, if you've got a skill then sell it, or start selling on ebay (loads of unemployed people scour boot sales and charity shops every week for things to sell on ebay), if you like children and can live on £30,000 a year (virtually tax free) then become a self employed foster carer as there is a shortage of them.
You don't need a business plan. I've never had a business plan in my life, just weight things up as you go along, make a decision, and go with it. If it works then do it again, and if it doesn't work then learn by your mistakes and don't do it again. Just get started then muddle through. If you really want a business plan then fine, but they are not compulsory.
[quote][p][bold]Rachie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rachie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]everyoneh850[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Audioman[/bold] wrote: Get a LIFE and go and get a JOB. Plenty of work out there I have a friend who finished work last Friday ,went to the job centre on Monday and started his new job today better pay too. So there is plenty of work if you try.[/p][/quote]There's not plenty of jobs out there at all. There's over 2.5 million unemployed and there's only 400,000 jobs. It might be easy for someone to get a job if they have gone to college and learnt a trade. But apart from that its bloody hard most employers don't even acknowledge your application these days. For example costa coffee advertised 8 jobs the other week and had 1900 applications!!! It's almost like doing the lottery.[/p][/quote]On this website there are 1,361 jobs advertised within 20 miles of Southend.[/p][/quote]How many people do you expect will go for each job?? Did you not read the example of a low paid costa coffee job??[/p][/quote]Yes, I did read about it. 8 people got jobs at Costa, good luck to them, they wanted to work and they made the effort. If you don't apply then you don't stand a chance. Those who were not successful will have to keep on trying. Or start their own business, if you are under 30 the Princes Trust can help with the paperwork requirements and possibly finance. If you can't think of a business to start then there is a great book in the library that lists every business you could think of, it's called Yellow Pages.[/p][/quote]Are you joking? I have my own business. 6 years ago though our previous one collapsed, not a fly by night you understand? A well respected local printing firm started 30 years previously by my father in law. With the invention of home PC's and 'vistaprint' it has become a dying trade and we were dependent on our few large customers. In the space of a year one of our biggest started an in house print shop, and another went bust owing us £1000s. We lost everything. Our home, our business and our self respect. We lived in B & B provided by the council and our children suffered for it. We were lucky. Some friends helped us out and slowly we picked up the pieces and started again working from a rented house. Start a business.... you make me laugh. Do you know how much we pay in taxes and VAT and all the other sundries and paperwork that companies house insists on? You have no idea or concept of reality![/p][/quote]Yes, I do know about taxes and paperwork and companies house. I run my own businesses. So do you by the sounds of it, so why do you have a problem with other people starting their own business.[/p][/quote]LOL what gave it away? Was it the first line where I said I did? (smiles in a jocular fashion so as not to be misconstrued) Because waking up one morning and saying 'today I think I'll start my own business' isn't a good plan for anyone. Neither is trawling through the Yellow Pages looking for an idea to form a business. Both ways are destined to fail ultimately. You need to research, use your own skills and have the capital for whatever it is you choose to do. I'm not against starting a business, I believe the small businesses are what's holding it all together at the moment. What I AM against is starting a business without looking into potential pitfalls and regulations etc.[/p][/quote]If you are unemployed, have no prospect of getting employment, have sent out a zillion CV's with no replies, whats wrong with putting a card in a shop window offering to do gardening or cleaning or painting, if you've got a skill then sell it, or start selling on ebay (loads of unemployed people scour boot sales and charity shops every week for things to sell on ebay), if you like children and can live on £30,000 a year (virtually tax free) then become a self employed foster carer as there is a shortage of them. You don't need a business plan. I've never had a business plan in my life, just weight things up as you go along, make a decision, and go with it. If it works then do it again, and if it doesn't work then learn by your mistakes and don't do it again. Just get started then muddle through. If you really want a business plan then fine, but they are not compulsory. Nebs

12:15am Fri 1 Mar 13

southchurchroad says...

I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.
I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?
[quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.[/p][/quote]I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking. Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy. What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand? southchurchroad

8:53am Fri 1 Mar 13

stopmoaning1 says...

ricardo62 wrote:
I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .
Like the merchant raiders, Mr Cooke now pins his true colours to the mast. There are 155 posts on this story, most of them supporting you. Some have found vacancies on this very site and twice you have given reasons NOT to even apply. It is a very well known fact that it is easier to get a job if you already have one, simply because you have a proven work ethic – willing to take anything just to get a foot in the door, but still you give your reasons for not doing this.
And now the truth is out, you ‘bow out of this debate unless people are able to offer you real solutions’
Well they have Mr Cooke, but you don’t like them so you ‘bow out’
I hope the fluffy brigade take the time to read all of you excuses and are happy to carry on paying their taxes for you to continue making excuses at every opportunity.
[quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .[/p][/quote]Like the merchant raiders, Mr Cooke now pins his true colours to the mast. There are 155 posts on this story, most of them supporting you. Some have found vacancies on this very site and twice you have given reasons NOT to even apply. It is a very well known fact that it is easier to get a job if you already have one, simply because you have a proven work ethic – willing to take anything just to get a foot in the door, but still you give your reasons for not doing this. And now the truth is out, you ‘bow out of this debate unless people are able to offer you real solutions’ Well they have Mr Cooke, but you don’t like them so you ‘bow out’ I hope the fluffy brigade take the time to read all of you excuses and are happy to carry on paying their taxes for you to continue making excuses at every opportunity. stopmoaning1

9:22am Fri 1 Mar 13

stopmoaning1 says...

southchurchroad wrote:
I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.
I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?
I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.
[quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.[/p][/quote]I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking. Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy. What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?[/p][/quote]I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available. stopmoaning1

10:21am Fri 1 Mar 13

southchurchroad says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
southchurchroad wrote:
I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.
I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?
I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.
What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts?
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.[/p][/quote]I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking. Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy. What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?[/p][/quote]I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.[/p][/quote]What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts? southchurchroad

12:09pm Fri 1 Mar 13

ORACUS says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .
Like the merchant raiders, Mr Cooke now pins his true colours to the mast. There are 155 posts on this story, most of them supporting you. Some have found vacancies on this very site and twice you have given reasons NOT to even apply. It is a very well known fact that it is easier to get a job if you already have one, simply because you have a proven work ethic – willing to take anything just to get a foot in the door, but still you give your reasons for not doing this.
And now the truth is out, you ‘bow out of this debate unless people are able to offer you real solutions’
Well they have Mr Cooke, but you don’t like them so you ‘bow out’
I hope the fluffy brigade take the time to read all of you excuses and are happy to carry on paying their taxes for you to continue making excuses at every opportunity.
On this thread Mr Cooke posted once under the ussername u dont have a clue.
ricardo62 who lives in great Bentley nr clacton is not Mr Cooke.
stopmoaning1 you really dont have a clue you.
You have defamed Mr Cooke by name on a public thread hope for your sake he doesn’t seek legal advice.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .[/p][/quote]Like the merchant raiders, Mr Cooke now pins his true colours to the mast. There are 155 posts on this story, most of them supporting you. Some have found vacancies on this very site and twice you have given reasons NOT to even apply. It is a very well known fact that it is easier to get a job if you already have one, simply because you have a proven work ethic – willing to take anything just to get a foot in the door, but still you give your reasons for not doing this. And now the truth is out, you ‘bow out of this debate unless people are able to offer you real solutions’ Well they have Mr Cooke, but you don’t like them so you ‘bow out’ I hope the fluffy brigade take the time to read all of you excuses and are happy to carry on paying their taxes for you to continue making excuses at every opportunity.[/p][/quote]On this thread Mr Cooke posted once under the ussername u dont have a clue. ricardo62 who lives in great Bentley nr clacton is not Mr Cooke. stopmoaning1 you really dont have a clue you. You have defamed Mr Cooke by name on a public thread hope for your sake he doesn’t seek legal advice. ORACUS

1:09pm Fri 1 Mar 13

ricardo62 says...

asbo in a coma wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .
stay positive but be more flexible. remember it's always easier to get a job when you're in employment already. so as a step stone just roll up your sleeves and be less picky. consider it an investment in yourself. good luck to you.
Thank you .... and i find it hard to comprehend the bigots on here who are obviosly in decent jobs , i was once too , all i can say is enjoy because one day you might be in my position and maybe you wont be quite so quick to judge ,i am a qualified person with a background of management and sales up to middle management boardroom level , im just hoping i can find employment where i can best utilise my skills , and better myself ..
[quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .[/p][/quote]stay positive but be more flexible. remember it's always easier to get a job when you're in employment already. so as a step stone just roll up your sleeves and be less picky. consider it an investment in yourself. good luck to you.[/p][/quote]Thank you .... and i find it hard to comprehend the bigots on here who are obviosly in decent jobs , i was once too , all i can say is enjoy because one day you might be in my position and maybe you wont be quite so quick to judge ,i am a qualified person with a background of management and sales up to middle management boardroom level , im just hoping i can find employment where i can best utilise my skills , and better myself .. ricardo62

1:16pm Fri 1 Mar 13

ORACUS says...

southchurchroad wrote:
I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.
I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?
As always there’s an unseen factor in this case the 3 million JOB CHANGERS per year each one generates a job vacancy but no new job in the job market.
How many of the 460,000 vacancies are new jobs.
The number of people in work increases by only 1711 per day for the entire country.
If only it was as simple as take this number from that number.
At the current rate it will take 6 years to clear the dole queues if we shut the door to Eastern Europe it will take 4 if we send them home 2 years.
[quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.[/p][/quote]I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking. Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy. What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?[/p][/quote]As always there’s an unseen factor in this case the 3 million JOB CHANGERS per year each one generates a job vacancy but no new job in the job market. How many of the 460,000 vacancies are new jobs. The number of people in work increases by only 1711 per day for the entire country. If only it was as simple as take this number from that number. At the current rate it will take 6 years to clear the dole queues if we shut the door to Eastern Europe it will take 4 if we send them home 2 years. ORACUS

1:26pm Fri 1 Mar 13

ORACUS says...

ricardo62 wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .
stay positive but be more flexible. remember it's always easier to get a job when you're in employment already. so as a step stone just roll up your sleeves and be less picky. consider it an investment in yourself. good luck to you.
Thank you .... and i find it hard to comprehend the bigots on here who are obviosly in decent jobs , i was once too , all i can say is enjoy because one day you might be in my position and maybe you wont be quite so quick to judge ,i am a qualified person with a background of management and sales up to middle management boardroom level , im just hoping i can find employment where i can best utilise my skills , and better myself ..
Don’t forget to put this down on your job search you asked the whole of Essex for a job.
Good luck keep positive.
[quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .[/p][/quote]stay positive but be more flexible. remember it's always easier to get a job when you're in employment already. so as a step stone just roll up your sleeves and be less picky. consider it an investment in yourself. good luck to you.[/p][/quote]Thank you .... and i find it hard to comprehend the bigots on here who are obviosly in decent jobs , i was once too , all i can say is enjoy because one day you might be in my position and maybe you wont be quite so quick to judge ,i am a qualified person with a background of management and sales up to middle management boardroom level , im just hoping i can find employment where i can best utilise my skills , and better myself ..[/p][/quote]Don’t forget to put this down on your job search you asked the whole of Essex for a job. Good luck keep positive. ORACUS

2:26pm Fri 1 Mar 13

stopmoaning1 says...

ORACUS wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .
Like the merchant raiders, Mr Cooke now pins his true colours to the mast. There are 155 posts on this story, most of them supporting you. Some have found vacancies on this very site and twice you have given reasons NOT to even apply. It is a very well known fact that it is easier to get a job if you already have one, simply because you have a proven work ethic – willing to take anything just to get a foot in the door, but still you give your reasons for not doing this.
And now the truth is out, you ‘bow out of this debate unless people are able to offer you real solutions’
Well they have Mr Cooke, but you don’t like them so you ‘bow out’
I hope the fluffy brigade take the time to read all of you excuses and are happy to carry on paying their taxes for you to continue making excuses at every opportunity.
On this thread Mr Cooke posted once under the ussername u dont have a clue.
ricardo62 who lives in great Bentley nr clacton is not Mr Cooke.
stopmoaning1 you really dont have a clue you.
You have defamed Mr Cooke by name on a public thread hope for your sake he doesn’t seek legal advice.
Thanks for pointing that out. I’m always happy to stand corrected. My apologies to Mr Cooke ussername u dont have a clue. These specific comments are not directed towards you. All other general comments still stand.

ricardo62, these comments are directed specifically at yourself and still stand.
[quote][p][bold]ORACUS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .[/p][/quote]Like the merchant raiders, Mr Cooke now pins his true colours to the mast. There are 155 posts on this story, most of them supporting you. Some have found vacancies on this very site and twice you have given reasons NOT to even apply. It is a very well known fact that it is easier to get a job if you already have one, simply because you have a proven work ethic – willing to take anything just to get a foot in the door, but still you give your reasons for not doing this. And now the truth is out, you ‘bow out of this debate unless people are able to offer you real solutions’ Well they have Mr Cooke, but you don’t like them so you ‘bow out’ I hope the fluffy brigade take the time to read all of you excuses and are happy to carry on paying their taxes for you to continue making excuses at every opportunity.[/p][/quote]On this thread Mr Cooke posted once under the ussername u dont have a clue. ricardo62 who lives in great Bentley nr clacton is not Mr Cooke. stopmoaning1 you really dont have a clue you. You have defamed Mr Cooke by name on a public thread hope for your sake he doesn’t seek legal advice.[/p][/quote]Thanks for pointing that out. I’m always happy to stand corrected. My apologies to Mr Cooke ussername u dont have a clue. These specific comments are not directed towards you. All other general comments still stand. ricardo62, these comments are directed specifically at yourself and still stand. stopmoaning1

2:33pm Fri 1 Mar 13

stopmoaning1 says...

southchurchroad wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
southchurchroad wrote:
I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.
I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?
I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.
What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts?
Ooo, a quiz. I’ll answer the three questions one at a time (although 2 and 3 are kind of merged into one question)

1/ None of it. I do understand there are around 460000 jobs.
2/ Yes
3/ No

How did I do?
[quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.[/p][/quote]I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking. Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy. What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?[/p][/quote]I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.[/p][/quote]What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts?[/p][/quote]Ooo, a quiz. I’ll answer the three questions one at a time (although 2 and 3 are kind of merged into one question) 1/ None of it. I do understand there are around 460000 jobs. 2/ Yes 3/ No How did I do? stopmoaning1

2:44pm Fri 1 Mar 13

stopmoaning1 says...

ricardo62 wrote:
asbo in a coma wrote:
ricardo62 wrote:
I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .
stay positive but be more flexible. remember it's always easier to get a job when you're in employment already. so as a step stone just roll up your sleeves and be less picky. consider it an investment in yourself. good luck to you.
Thank you .... and i find it hard to comprehend the bigots on here who are obviosly in decent jobs , i was once too , all i can say is enjoy because one day you might be in my position and maybe you wont be quite so quick to judge ,i am a qualified person with a background of management and sales up to middle management boardroom level , im just hoping i can find employment where i can best utilise my skills , and better myself ..
I’m sorry to harp on, but if you have been at boardroom level management you must surely have a basic grasp of recruiting and work ethic. As I have stated previously, it is a well known fact that it is easier to get a job if you already have one, whatever it is. Stop aiming at middle management jobs, take something that’s offered and go from there. Any potential employer will look at your application more favourably if you are in work, maybe a menial job and are looking to better yourself.
If the pay is low, there are still benefits to be claimed.
[quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo in a coma[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ricardo62[/bold] wrote: I think i will bow out of this debate now unless people are prepared to offer me real solutions then i guess its run its course , 10 hrs a week cleaning jobs , im running my home and a car and all the other costs lets try to be realistic , to those in a job if suddenly you found yourself on the scrapheap and out of work ask yourself could you survive and cover your costs working 10 or 15 hours a week on minumum wage , and yes i have had a calculation on working tax credits , but even with those my outgoings are more than my incomings , im sure people that have there own house and living expenses will know what im talking about ,so thanks for everybodys input and i will keep looking and trying i attend the work programme every week and the feedback i get from my mentor is not positive , she even agrees with me on the chances of myself finding a job in this current climate are looking bleak .[/p][/quote]stay positive but be more flexible. remember it's always easier to get a job when you're in employment already. so as a step stone just roll up your sleeves and be less picky. consider it an investment in yourself. good luck to you.[/p][/quote]Thank you .... and i find it hard to comprehend the bigots on here who are obviosly in decent jobs , i was once too , all i can say is enjoy because one day you might be in my position and maybe you wont be quite so quick to judge ,i am a qualified person with a background of management and sales up to middle management boardroom level , im just hoping i can find employment where i can best utilise my skills , and better myself ..[/p][/quote]I’m sorry to harp on, but if you have been at boardroom level management you must surely have a basic grasp of recruiting and work ethic. As I have stated previously, it is a well known fact that it is easier to get a job if you already have one, whatever it is. Stop aiming at middle management jobs, take something that’s offered and go from there. Any potential employer will look at your application more favourably if you are in work, maybe a menial job and are looking to better yourself. If the pay is low, there are still benefits to be claimed. stopmoaning1

8:17pm Fri 1 Mar 13

southchurchroad says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
southchurchroad wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
southchurchroad wrote:
I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.
I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?
I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.
What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts?
Ooo, a quiz. I’ll answer the three questions one at a time (although 2 and 3 are kind of merged into one question)

1/ None of it. I do understand there are around 460000 jobs.
2/ Yes
3/ No

How did I do?
Then what exactly was your point? Or, if you prefer, what do you think mine is, because I don't think you grasp what I'm actually talking about.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.[/p][/quote]I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking. Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy. What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?[/p][/quote]I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.[/p][/quote]What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts?[/p][/quote]Ooo, a quiz. I’ll answer the three questions one at a time (although 2 and 3 are kind of merged into one question) 1/ None of it. I do understand there are around 460000 jobs. 2/ Yes 3/ No How did I do?[/p][/quote]Then what exactly was your point? Or, if you prefer, what do you think mine is, because I don't think you grasp what I'm actually talking about. southchurchroad

11:29am Sat 2 Mar 13

stopmoaning1 says...

southchurchroad wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
southchurchroad wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
southchurchroad wrote:
I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.
I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?
I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.
What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts?
Ooo, a quiz. I’ll answer the three questions one at a time (although 2 and 3 are kind of merged into one question)

1/ None of it. I do understand there are around 460000 jobs.
2/ Yes
3/ No

How did I do?
Then what exactly was your point? Or, if you prefer, what do you think mine is, because I don't think you grasp what I'm actually talking about.
Sorry, I’ll see if I can make mine clearer.
If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available. – New bit…. And would then get the sympathy and help they deserve because there genuinely are NO jobs available.
Your bit; Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not &quote “plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nation-wide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy
I’ve also corrected your spelling and grammar for you.
[quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.[/p][/quote]I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking. Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy. What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?[/p][/quote]I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.[/p][/quote]What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts?[/p][/quote]Ooo, a quiz. I’ll answer the three questions one at a time (although 2 and 3 are kind of merged into one question) 1/ None of it. I do understand there are around 460000 jobs. 2/ Yes 3/ No How did I do?[/p][/quote]Then what exactly was your point? Or, if you prefer, what do you think mine is, because I don't think you grasp what I'm actually talking about.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I’ll see if I can make mine clearer. If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available. – New bit…. And would then get the sympathy and help they deserve because there genuinely are NO jobs available. Your bit; Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "e “plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nation-wide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy I’ve also corrected your spelling and grammar for you. stopmoaning1

5:55pm Sun 3 Mar 13

emcee says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
southchurchroad wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
southchurchroad wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
southchurchroad wrote:
I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.
I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?
I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.
What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts?
Ooo, a quiz. I’ll answer the three questions one at a time (although 2 and 3 are kind of merged into one question)

1/ None of it. I do understand there are around 460000 jobs.
2/ Yes
3/ No

How did I do?
Then what exactly was your point? Or, if you prefer, what do you think mine is, because I don't think you grasp what I'm actually talking about.
Sorry, I’ll see if I can make mine clearer.
If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available. – New bit…. And would then get the sympathy and help they deserve because there genuinely are NO jobs available.
Your bit; Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "e “plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nation-wide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy
I’ve also corrected your spelling and grammar for you.
Vacancies get filled as other appear. This means that this figure of 460,000 is constant (give or take a few thousand here and there). It will never be the case that once each of the the vacancies are filled that would be it... no more vacancies but still over 2,000,000 jobless.
What the figures really suggest is that there will be far more applications, for each vacancy, than there would be "normally", meaning more unsuccessful applicants. Applicants will find it a lot harder to be successful because the competition for the vacancy is a lot, lot higher making a lot more people out of work for a lot longer than they would be normally. This, then, costs the country a lot more in benefits.
So, what is really meant by there not being enough vacancies is that there are not enough vacancies to "satisfy" the job market.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.[/p][/quote]I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking. Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy. What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?[/p][/quote]I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.[/p][/quote]What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts?[/p][/quote]Ooo, a quiz. I’ll answer the three questions one at a time (although 2 and 3 are kind of merged into one question) 1/ None of it. I do understand there are around 460000 jobs. 2/ Yes 3/ No How did I do?[/p][/quote]Then what exactly was your point? Or, if you prefer, what do you think mine is, because I don't think you grasp what I'm actually talking about.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I’ll see if I can make mine clearer. If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available. – New bit…. And would then get the sympathy and help they deserve because there genuinely are NO jobs available. Your bit; Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "e “plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nation-wide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy I’ve also corrected your spelling and grammar for you.[/p][/quote]Vacancies get filled as other appear. This means that this figure of 460,000 is constant (give or take a few thousand here and there). It will never be the case that once each of the the vacancies are filled that would be it... no more vacancies but still over 2,000,000 jobless. What the figures really suggest is that there will be far more applications, for each vacancy, than there would be "normally", meaning more unsuccessful applicants. Applicants will find it a lot harder to be successful because the competition for the vacancy is a lot, lot higher making a lot more people out of work for a lot longer than they would be normally. This, then, costs the country a lot more in benefits. So, what is really meant by there not being enough vacancies is that there are not enough vacancies to "satisfy" the job market. emcee

8:52am Thu 7 Mar 13

southchurchroad says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
southchurchroad wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
southchurchroad wrote:
stopmoaning1 wrote:
southchurchroad wrote:
I hate the police wrote:
There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.
I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking.

Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy.

What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?
I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.
What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts?
Ooo, a quiz. I’ll answer the three questions one at a time (although 2 and 3 are kind of merged into one question)

1/ None of it. I do understand there are around 460000 jobs.
2/ Yes
3/ No

How did I do?
Then what exactly was your point? Or, if you prefer, what do you think mine is, because I don't think you grasp what I'm actually talking about.
Sorry, I’ll see if I can make mine clearer.
If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available. – New bit…. And would then get the sympathy and help they deserve because there genuinely are NO jobs available.
Your bit; Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "e “plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nation-wide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy
I’ve also corrected your spelling and grammar for you.
As already pointed out, the jobs market is in constant flow as jobs are taken, become available and others become redundant/businesses close et.c, and the number of jobs available isn't even close to being suitable. There aren't enough jobs. Sympathy doesn't factor into it, with the ratio of vacancies to seekers, it guarantees millions of people out of work, despite your idiotic stereotyping of them all being feckless losers, and trying to use the strawman argument of "they should be complaining when there are NO jobs available". No-one made that argument, but you seem quite happy to attack it.
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southchurchroad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I hate the police[/bold] wrote: There is plenty of work out there. All the people that say 'there is not any work' really are wrong. Theres jobs advertised on this website for god sake, not to mention the 100s of jobsites available. There is always new jobs being created. I know there is alot of jobs being lossed, but its part and parcel of todays society. Mr Cooke can protest all he wants, but I dont think the government are going to change their system over it. Maybe he should use the protesting time for job searching time. I wish him luck in his search, and I hope he finds something soon.[/p][/quote]I can only assume your reading comprehension is lacking. Yes. Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nationwide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy. What exactly don't you understand about that? Is there something particularly difficult to understand?[/p][/quote]I find it completely baffling that I am agreeing with I hate the police but.... If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available.[/p][/quote]What part of "yes jobs exist" is so hard to understand? Did you actually read what I posted, or are you transferring what others have said onto my own posts?[/p][/quote]Ooo, a quiz. I’ll answer the three questions one at a time (although 2 and 3 are kind of merged into one question) 1/ None of it. I do understand there are around 460000 jobs. 2/ Yes 3/ No How did I do?[/p][/quote]Then what exactly was your point? Or, if you prefer, what do you think mine is, because I don't think you grasp what I'm actually talking about.[/p][/quote]Sorry, I’ll see if I can make mine clearer. If 460000 of those people took those jobs, (which they won’t because they might involve doing something they don’t want to do) that would leave 2140000 people seeking work. That’s the point they can all start moaning about NO jobs available. – New bit…. And would then get the sympathy and help they deserve because there genuinely are NO jobs available. Your bit; Jobs exist. There aren't nearly enough jobs for every unemployed person, not even close. The figures clearly show around 460,000 vacancies to a minimum of 2,600,000 people seeking work (which could well be double that, depending on what other groups you factor in). That is not "e “plenty of work out there" that is at least 5 people for every single job vacancy nation-wide, and at last count in the Southend area, around 11.7 people for every vacancy I’ve also corrected your spelling and grammar for you.[/p][/quote]As already pointed out, the jobs market is in constant flow as jobs are taken, become available and others become redundant/businesses close et.c, and the number of jobs available isn't even close to being suitable. There aren't enough jobs. Sympathy doesn't factor into it, with the ratio of vacancies to seekers, it guarantees millions of people out of work, despite your idiotic stereotyping of them all being feckless losers, and trying to use the strawman argument of "they should be complaining when there are NO jobs available". No-one made that argument, but you seem quite happy to attack it. southchurchroad

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