Chelmsford Diocese tells Occupy Southend to leave (From Echo)

How can this action be reconciled with the Church position on Dale Farm.

they are a bunch of unemployed communist as far as i am concerned they also have massive funding like the ones at st pauls i would guess from the unions they can afford to appeal in the courts they have money behind them they worry about others earning i think they should take a good look at their masters the unions and see how much the union leaders earn a dam site more than the priminster . this country is becoming a joke

So the church HAS asked them to leave but they will take o vote on it... Where is the respect fot the church.

They will either stay put forcing the church through the courts or pack up and leave claiming victory which is far from the truth. Occupy and the skipp people within the camp have alienated a lot of people with this action. They have done nether cause any good lets hope both fade away and never darken Southend ever again.

How can this position be reconciled with the Christian position on standing up for the weak and the poor?
Reading this story, what the Chelmsford Diocese position has said to me is that modern Christianity is supportive of rampant greed and corruption and the victimisation of society's poorest to pay for the mistakes of society's richest..

no, they just don't want a rabble on their church grounds. last time this rabble occupied land they were thrown out by the court (cuckoo corner) they may pretend to be under a different umbrella but it is still the same people.

j-w wrote:
no, they just don't want a rabble on their church grounds. last time this rabble occupied land they were thrown out by the court (cuckoo corner) they may pretend to be under a different umbrella but it is still the same people.

Camp Bling left voluntarily after SBC changed their plans for the site and agreed to leave it alone. They were not 'thrown out by the court'.

You are confusing camp bling with the more recent (18 months ago) occupation next to Cuckoo Corner by SKIPP.

The hypocrisy of it all - now it's their land it's please get off. When it wasn't their land it was persecution of a so called minority group. Utter bolleax!

What another bunch of unwashed arrogant parasites protesting about the inequality between rich and poor ! Why should they think they have a " divine " right to occupy consecrated ground . It would help the Country more if they were to go and get a job , pay something into the system and not spend their life sponging off the taxpayer via the Benefits system.Hose them down, evict them and publicly flog them . Well done Chelmsford Diocese , I'm glad you put them straight from the onset , it's up to the authorities to remove the scum !

Bunch of clowns claiming to represent the ordinary people against the capitalist bully boys. Well we dont need a bunch of layabout dossers telling us the obvious and we are capable of accepting or not the actions of the bankers and leaders. Now run along home you pathetic excuse for human beings because you've really irritated a lot of people. First rule of campaigning is get people on your side - you've failed that big time - bunch of clowns.

Has Dale Farm moved but without the caravans?

I wonder what it is about the occupy protests that frightens this website's contributors so much that they have to post so much bile?
Just asking.

I fear the water cannon may only be effective if there is soap in it

Let's see how long it takes these unwashed cretins to leave. Hope we won't see them again.

I'm not religious in the slightest so I'm not bothered about these people being on "holy" ground but I do object to them setting up camp on land that doesn't belong to them.

In addition to that I don't agree with that they stand for either. Perhaps Capitalism is the latest phase of human evolution? Taking the human element out of it, isn't it the fitest, fastest, strongest, most inteligent of any species that prospers over the rest?

As far as I'm concerned these people are fighting a battle on my behalf that I don't want to fight and have no interest in.

Yes, there are injusticies in the World but wealth is only one of them.

Maybe I'm of a completely different (normal) mindset and can't be bothered with conspiracy theories and the like and just try and get on with my life the best I can?

whether it's church ground or not, whether you are a believer or not, whether you follow Occupy and agree with them or not, the issue here is that they are squatting somewhere without permission and have been asked to move on. Its private property so they have no legal right to be there pure and simple. The sooner the PM pushes through his legislation to make squatting illegal the better.

whether it's church ground or not, whether you are a believer or not, whether you follow Occupy and agree with them or not, the issue here is that they are squatting somewhere without permission and have been asked to move on. Its private property so they have no legal right to be there pure and simple. The sooner the PM pushes through his legislation to make squatting illegal the better.

whether it's church ground or not, whether you are a believer or not, whether you follow Occupy and agree with them or not, the issue here is that they are squatting somewhere without permission and have been asked to move on. Its private property so they have no legal right to be there pure and simple. The sooner the PM pushes through his legislation to make squatting illegal the better.

Russ13 wrote:
I'm not religious in the slightest so I'm not bothered about these people being on "holy" ground but I do object to them setting up camp on land that doesn't belong to them.

In addition to that I don't agree with that they stand for either. Perhaps Capitalism is the latest phase of human evolution? Taking the human element out of it, isn't it the fitest, fastest, strongest, most inteligent of any species that prospers over the rest?

As far as I'm concerned these people are fighting a battle on my behalf that I don't want to fight and have no interest in.

Yes, there are injusticies in the World but wealth is only one of them.

Maybe I'm of a completely different (normal) mindset and can't be bothered with conspiracy theories and the like and just try and get on with my life the best I can?

Wealth is the only injustice. For a minority to be wealthy means a majority starve. Whether it's oil, gas, coal, rare minerals, water… making a profit from them means exploiting someone else.

An example, western oil companies take oil from the Niger delta. They have polluted the delta it to such an extent that there are now 31 MILLION people there at risk of starvation while a minority of capitalists make obscene amounts of money.

There are similar stories all over the world.

It has to stop.

Take your blinkers off Roy_Baty.... you may find there's a bit more to the World/Life.

Firstly I will point out that I have never and doubt very much I will ever be a religious person, but I respect those people that do have a faith and I will respect that faith when I visit a church, Mosque or Synagogue.


So why do I object to the occupy movement.


Firstly: In the vast majority of cases these camps are illegal, why should they break the law in the name of “rightful” protest surely a rightful protest MUST be within the law?


Secondly: They want a fair playing field for all a world where we are all equal, why should I have to work hard to afford the good things in life when the guy down the road with countless feral kids running amuck be given it all for sitting at home doing nothing all day, smoking dope and getting drunk?


Thirdly: If a family lives beyond their means buying the latest Playstation or Xbox, getting the designer clothes, having a foreign holiday or two BEFORE paying the rent and they get evicted then in my mind they have bought that on themselves and its their own fault they have lost their home, why should they be supported when they will probably just go and do it again?


Fourthly: They keep saying we want to change the system but they have NEVER come up with a workable solution.
Fifthly: They want to protect job but at the same time they want to abolish the arms trade and industry so what about these jobs are they not worth saving?


Sixthly: They see that there is no need to slash spending and cuts are not needed, where is the money going to come from to do that, there is not enough in the pot for the country to keep spending how it has been in the past, cut backs need to be made to save us from turning in to a Ireland or Greece.


Thoese are my main points on not supporting occupy and its followers, why should I spend years and years working my fingers to the bone only for the do nothing take everything members of society to be given the same lifestyle I have worked hard to earn for nothing.

Russ13 wrote:
Take your blinkers off Roy_Baty.... you may find there's a bit more to the World/Life.

http://www.amnesty.o
rg/en/news-and-updat
es/un-confirms-massi
ve-oil-pollution-nig
er-delta-2011-08-04

It isn't me who is wearing blinkers.

Max Impact wrote:
Firstly I will point out that I have never and doubt very much I will ever be a religious person, but I respect those people that do have a faith and I will respect that faith when I visit a church, Mosque or Synagogue.


So why do I object to the occupy movement.


Firstly: In the vast majority of cases these camps are illegal, why should they break the law in the name of “rightful” protest surely a rightful protest MUST be within the law?


Secondly: They want a fair playing field for all a world where we are all equal, why should I have to work hard to afford the good things in life when the guy down the road with countless feral kids running amuck be given it all for sitting at home doing nothing all day, smoking dope and getting drunk?


Thirdly: If a family lives beyond their means buying the latest Playstation or Xbox, getting the designer clothes, having a foreign holiday or two BEFORE paying the rent and they get evicted then in my mind they have bought that on themselves and its their own fault they have lost their home, why should they be supported when they will probably just go and do it again?


Fourthly: They keep saying we want to change the system but they have NEVER come up with a workable solution.
Fifthly: They want to protect job but at the same time they want to abolish the arms trade and industry so what about these jobs are they not worth saving?


Sixthly: They see that there is no need to slash spending and cuts are not needed, where is the money going to come from to do that, there is not enough in the pot for the country to keep spending how it has been in the past, cut backs need to be made to save us from turning in to a Ireland or Greece.


Thoese are my main points on not supporting occupy and its followers, why should I spend years and years working my fingers to the bone only for the do nothing take everything members of society to be given the same lifestyle I have worked hard to earn for nothing.

Jobs in the arms trade - making money from the slaughter of people - are not worth saving.

If you want to fight injusticies, why not look into how we can stop children dying of cancer? Or maybe work out what causes cot deaths or still births.

I've not looked at your link and I wont do either, anything can be spun to reflect badly on whatever someone wants to discredit ;-)

Russ13 wrote:
If you want to fight injusticies, why not look into how we can stop children dying of cancer? Or maybe work out what causes cot deaths or still births.

I've not looked at your link and I wont do either, anything can be spun to reflect badly on whatever someone wants to discredit ;-)

You refuse to look at the evidence but accuse ME of wearing blinkers?

That link is about the United Nations report into pollution in the Niger Delta.

"The report from the United Nations Environment Programme is the first of its kind in Nigeria and based on two years of in-depth scientific research.

It found that oil contamination is widespread and severe, and that people in the Niger Delta have been exposed for decades.

“This report proves Shell has had a terrible impact in Nigeria, but has got away with denying it for decades, falsely claiming they work to best international standards,” said Amnesty International Global Issues Director, Audrey Gaughran, who has researched the human rights impacts of pollution in the Delta.

The report, which was conducted at the request of the Nigerian government and paid for by Shell, provides irrefutable evidence of the devastating impact of oil pollution on people’s lives in the Delta – one of Africa’s most bio-diverse regions.

It examines the damage to agriculture and fisheries, which has destroyed livelihoods and food sources. One of the most serious facts to come to light is the scale of contamination of drinking water, which has exposed communities to serious health risks.

In one case water was found to contain a known carcinogen at levels 900 times above World Health Organization guidelines. UNEP has recommended emergency measures to alert communities to the danger.

The report reveals Shell’s systemic failure to address oil spills going back many years. UNEP describes how sites that Shell claimed were cleaned up were found by UNEP experts to be still polluted.

“Shell must put its hands up, and face the fact that it has to deal with the damage it has caused. Trying to hide behind the actions of others, when Shell is the most powerful actor on the scene, simply won’t wash,” said Audrey Gaughran. “There is no solution to the oil pollution in Niger Delta as long as Shell continues to focus on protecting its corporate image at the expense of the truth, and at the expense of justice”.

The report’s findings also expose the serious failure of the Nigerian government to regulate and control companies like Shell. UNEP found that Nigeria’s regulators are weak and Nigeria’s oil spill investigation agency is often totally reliant on the oil companies to do its work.

The Nigerian government, the oil companies, and the home governments of these companies, such as the UK and Netherlands, have all benefited from oil extraction in the Niger Delta and should now support a social and environmental rehabilitation process, said Amnesty International.

“This report should also be a wake-up call to institutional investors. In the past they’ve allowed Shell’s Public Relations machine to pull the wool over their eyes, but they will now want to see the company cleaning up its act in the Niger Delta - that means putting real pressure on Shell to avoid spillages, compensate those already affected and disclose more accurate information on their impacts,” said Audrey Gaughran.

The UN report notes that there are other, relatively new, sources of pollution in Ogoniland, such as illegal refining but it is clear that Shell’s poor practice stretching back decades is a major factor in the contamination of Ogoniland. "

And what has that got to do with the the distribution of wealth being unfair in a minority of people's opinion?

Russ13 wrote:
And what has that got to do with the the distribution of wealth being unfair in a minority of people's opinion?

Are you serious? You REALLY can't see how exploitation of the poorest for the benefit of the richest applies to the Occupy protests and what they are protesting against?

Roy_Baty wrote:

Russ13 wrote: And what has that got to do with the the distribution of wealth being unfair in a minority of people's opinion?

Are you serious? You REALLY can't see how exploitation of the poorest for the benefit of the richest applies to the Occupy protests and what they are protesting against?

As I said, anything can be manipulated to suit a purpose.

i thought gods home is everyones home ?

seems your only wellcome when it suites ?

Russ13 wrote:

Roy_Baty wrote:

Russ13 wrote: And what has that got to do with the the distribution of wealth being unfair in a minority of people's opinion?

Are you serious? You REALLY can't see how exploitation of the poorest for the benefit of the richest applies to the Occupy protests and what they are protesting against?

As I said, anything can be manipulated to suit a purpose.

Here's an example that is a bit closer to home. Southend Council, like all councils, has to make cuts. So, who do Southend's tories target for cuts? Do they target business, or services for the well off? No, Southend's tories target the elderly and the disabled by proposing to steal the food from those least able to defend themselves.

http://www.echo-news
.co.uk/news/local_ne
ws/southend/9542086.
Vote_to_cut_subsidy_
for_meals_on_wheels/

Because one group of people are rich it doesn’t necessarily mean that the poor are being exploited! They are two separate issues entirely! You can easily have 1% very rich and 99% that aren’t without any immorality or injustice by government – When this is the case, why the hell should the 1% have to re-distribute this amongst the other 99%????? In a way they actually do by paying higher taxes! Jealousy is the only reason I can see. In America theres no healthcare (there should be) but in the UK how the hell are the poor being victimised – They’re given money to subsist, free healthcare, accommodation – And people have the absolute nerve to demand more by protesting? You are not being victimised - You’re so used to getting what you want through unions etc that you cant accept not getting what you want! England is a democracy (or is it more of a republic – People elect representatives to exercise power for them???). Whatever is technically is - Try living in North Korea for a while! Appreciate what you have in this country!

What subsidised services do SBC provide just for the well off? I am intrigued.

R85 wrote:
Because one group of people are rich it doesn’t necessarily mean that the poor are being exploited! They are two separate issues entirely! You can easily have 1% very rich and 99% that aren’t without any immorality or injustice by government – When this is the case, why the hell should the 1% have to re-distribute this amongst the other 99%????? In a way they actually do by paying higher taxes! Jealousy is the only reason I can see. In America theres no healthcare (there should be) but in the UK how the hell are the poor being victimised – They’re given money to subsist, free healthcare, accommodation – And people have the absolute nerve to demand more by protesting? You are not being victimised - You’re so used to getting what you want through unions etc that you cant accept not getting what you want! England is a democracy (or is it more of a republic – People elect representatives to exercise power for them???). Whatever is technically is - Try living in North Korea for a while! Appreciate what you have in this country!

Because the poor are the ones who are being screwed into the ground to pay for the mistakes of the rich.

Just charge them rent if they want to stay

Roy_Baty wrote:

Russ13 wrote: I'm not religious in the slightest so I'm not bothered about these people being on "holy" ground but I do object to them setting up camp on land that doesn't belong to them. In addition to that I don't agree with that they stand for either. Perhaps Capitalism is the latest phase of human evolution? Taking the human element out of it, isn't it the fitest, fastest, strongest, most inteligent of any species that prospers over the rest? As far as I'm concerned these people are fighting a battle on my behalf that I don't want to fight and have no interest in. Yes, there are injusticies in the World but wealth is only one of them. Maybe I'm of a completely different (normal) mindset and can't be bothered with conspiracy theories and the like and just try and get on with my life the best I can?

Wealth is the only injustice. For a minority to be wealthy means a majority starve. Whether it's oil, gas, coal, rare minerals, water… making a profit from them means exploiting someone else. An example, western oil companies take oil from the Niger delta. They have polluted the delta it to such an extent that there are now 31 MILLION people there at risk of starvation while a minority of capitalists make obscene amounts of money. There are similar stories all over the world. It has to stop.

I work for a rich man, he pays me a wage , I spend my wages so others can earn a wage this is the way it has always been, What really is the problem with this ?

Roy_Baty wrote:

R85 wrote: Because one group of people are rich it doesn’t necessarily mean that the poor are being exploited! They are two separate issues entirely! You can easily have 1% very rich and 99% that aren’t without any immorality or injustice by government – When this is the case, why the hell should the 1% have to re-distribute this amongst the other 99%????? In a way they actually do by paying higher taxes! Jealousy is the only reason I can see. In America theres no healthcare (there should be) but in the UK how the hell are the poor being victimised – They’re given money to subsist, free healthcare, accommodation – And people have the absolute nerve to demand more by protesting? You are not being victimised - You’re so used to getting what you want through unions etc that you cant accept not getting what you want! England is a democracy (or is it more of a republic – People elect representatives to exercise power for them???). Whatever is technically is - Try living in North Korea for a while! Appreciate what you have in this country!

Because the poor are the ones who are being screwed into the ground to pay for the mistakes of the rich.

Mistakes of the rich? By rich do you mean just the bankers or others too? If you mean just the bankers, this is an infinitesimal amount of people compared to the amount of rich - are you generalising? Apart from banks when are the poor paying for mistakes of the rich?

Also, it was nice that the government used to subsidise the meals on wheels but if they had never done this in the first place then you wouldn’t think its so unfair to withdraw it. They did a nice thing for a while which did benefit the elderly, unfortunately they have to make cuts now so it must come to an end. Withdrawing something isn’t immoral purely and simply because people are used to getting it! Times change!

R85 wrote:
Also, it was nice that the government used to subsidise the meals on wheels but if they had never done this in the first place then you wouldn’t think its so unfair to withdraw it. They did a nice thing for a while which did benefit the elderly, unfortunately they have to make cuts now so it must come to an end. Withdrawing something isn’t immoral purely and simply because people are used to getting it! Times change!

And people die of malnutrition.

So nice that you think the lives of the elderly and disabled are a price worth paying for the mistakes of the rich.

Tories = blood on their hands.

I think these activists like the members of SANE and SKIPP in other local protests have this strange notion that they represent the vast majority of the population. Blind me with facts and figures which shoots my opionion down if you want but I feel you could not be further from the truth if you wanted to be. I feel you represent yourselves and just a few others, most of us out here just want you clear up and leave the church yard and get on with your working lives.

R85 wrote:

Roy_Baty wrote:

R85 wrote: Because one group of people are rich it doesn’t necessarily mean that the poor are being exploited! They are two separate issues entirely! You can easily have 1% very rich and 99% that aren’t without any immorality or injustice by government – When this is the case, why the hell should the 1% have to re-distribute this amongst the other 99%????? In a way they actually do by paying higher taxes! Jealousy is the only reason I can see. In America theres no healthcare (there should be) but in the UK how the hell are the poor being victimised – They’re given money to subsist, free healthcare, accommodation – And people have the absolute nerve to demand more by protesting? You are not being victimised - You’re so used to getting what you want through unions etc that you cant accept not getting what you want! England is a democracy (or is it more of a republic – People elect representatives to exercise power for them???). Whatever is technically is - Try living in North Korea for a while! Appreciate what you have in this country!

Because the poor are the ones who are being screwed into the ground to pay for the mistakes of the rich.

Mistakes of the rich? By rich do you mean just the bankers or others too? If you mean just the bankers, this is an infinitesimal amount of people compared to the amount of rich - are you generalising? Apart from banks when are the poor paying for mistakes of the rich?

I mean bankers, brokers, everyone who caused the global financial crisis with their reckless greed and **** for profit.

Now Southend's tories are going to steal the food from the mouths of Southend's elderly and disabled to pay for the greed of the rich.

The blanked out word was l-u-s-t. How on Earth is that an improper word?

Roy you need to get with the programme. The bankers were given the green light for raping the system under the last administration, not this one. Your cause is devalued by your blind hatred of the tories when it was the other lot that caused this mess

Roy_Baty wrote:

Max Impact wrote:
Firstly I will point out that I have never and doubt very much I will ever be a religious person, but I respect those people that do have a faith and I will respect that faith when I visit a church, Mosque or Synagogue.


So why do I object to the occupy movement.


Firstly: In the vast majority of cases these camps are illegal, why should they break the law in the name of “rightful” protest surely a rightful protest MUST be within the law?


Secondly: They want a fair playing field for all a world where we are all equal, why should I have to work hard to afford the good things in life when the guy down the road with countless feral kids running amuck be given it all for sitting at home doing nothing all day, smoking dope and getting drunk?


Thirdly: If a family lives beyond their means buying the latest Playstation or Xbox, getting the designer clothes, having a foreign holiday or two BEFORE paying the rent and they get evicted then in my mind they have bought that on themselves and its their own fault they have lost their home, why should they be supported when they will probably just go and do it again?


Fourthly: They keep saying we want to change the system but they have NEVER come up with a workable solution.
Fifthly: They want to protect job but at the same time they want to abolish the arms trade and industry so what about these jobs are they not worth saving?


Sixthly: They see that there is no need to slash spending and cuts are not needed, where is the money going to come from to do that, there is not enough in the pot for the country to keep spending how it has been in the past, cut backs need to be made to save us from turning in to a Ireland or Greece.


Thoese are my main points on not supporting occupy and its followers, why should I spend years and years working my fingers to the bone only for the do nothing take everything members of society to be given the same lifestyle I have worked hard to earn for nothing.

Jobs in the arms trade - making money from the slaughter of people - are not worth saving.

Six good valid points.

Roy_Baty wrote:

R85 wrote:

Roy_Baty wrote:

R85 wrote: Because one group of people are rich it doesn’t necessarily mean that the poor are being exploited! They are two separate issues entirely! You can easily have 1% very rich and 99% that aren’t without any immorality or injustice by government – When this is the case, why the hell should the 1% have to re-distribute this amongst the other 99%????? In a way they actually do by paying higher taxes! Jealousy is the only reason I can see. In America theres no healthcare (there should be) but in the UK how the hell are the poor being victimised – They’re given money to subsist, free healthcare, accommodation – And people have the absolute nerve to demand more by protesting? You are not being victimised - You’re so used to getting what you want through unions etc that you cant accept not getting what you want! England is a democracy (or is it more of a republic – People elect representatives to exercise power for them???). Whatever is technically is - Try living in North Korea for a while! Appreciate what you have in this country!

Because the poor are the ones who are being screwed into the ground to pay for the mistakes of the rich.

Mistakes of the rich? By rich do you mean just the bankers or others too? If you mean just the bankers, this is an infinitesimal amount of people compared to the amount of rich - are you generalising? Apart from banks when are the poor paying for mistakes of the rich?

I mean bankers, brokers, everyone who caused the global financial crisis with their reckless greed and **** for profit. Now Southend's tories are going to steal the food from the mouths of Southend's elderly and disabled to pay for the greed of the rich.

STEAL the food from their mouths! Puh-lease! Are you serious – I don’t remember a bigger exaggeration in my entire life! Steal – omg I just cant get over it! They are putting it up by £1.50 – did you not read it right – are you an extremist or what?

And you say “So nice that you think the lives of the elderly and disabled are a price worth paying for the mistakes of the rich” – WTF - That’s hardly what I’m saying is it! So in your eyes, putting up meals on wheels by £1.50 will absolutely be the sole cause of numerous elderly deaths? Extremism!

sash bore buoy wrote:
Roy you need to get with the programme. The bankers were given the green light for raping the system under the last administration, not this one. Your cause is devalued by your blind hatred of the tories when it was the other lot that caused this mess

:-)

my god is better than your god brigade, red, blue, yellow , green ties governments. These are the idiots that we let run our country & they profit from us. This country is run by organised mafia, and they are all **** scared to say anything. A revolution won't help us as we are the minority in this country now.

billericay boy wrote:
my god is better than your god brigade, red, blue, yellow , green ties governments. These are the idiots that we let run our country & they profit from us. This country is run by organised mafia, and they are all **** scared to say anything. A revolution won't help us as we are the minority in this country now.

The governments of Afghanistan, North Korea, China and many others are an organised mafia! We are so far removed from oppression that the slightest little thing seems to go down as oppression in so many eyes! Crazy! We used to be an oppressed country a very very long time ago – not now! I’m not disputing that they’re idiots though – most of them are – that or no backbone!

sash bore buoy wrote:
Roy you need to get with the programme. The bankers were given the green light for raping the system under the last administration, not this one. Your cause is devalued by your blind hatred of the tories when it was the other lot that caused this mess

You honestly believe the GLOBAL financial crisis was caused by the UK government?

R85 wrote:

Roy_Baty wrote:

R85 wrote:

Roy_Baty wrote:

R85 wrote: Because one group of people are rich it doesn’t necessarily mean that the poor are being exploited! They are two separate issues entirely! You can easily have 1% very rich and 99% that aren’t without any immorality or injustice by government – When this is the case, why the hell should the 1% have to re-distribute this amongst the other 99%????? In a way they actually do by paying higher taxes! Jealousy is the only reason I can see. In America theres no healthcare (there should be) but in the UK how the hell are the poor being victimised – They’re given money to subsist, free healthcare, accommodation – And people have the absolute nerve to demand more by protesting? You are not being victimised - You’re so used to getting what you want through unions etc that you cant accept not getting what you want! England is a democracy (or is it more of a republic – People elect representatives to exercise power for them???). Whatever is technically is - Try living in North Korea for a while! Appreciate what you have in this country!

Because the poor are the ones who are being screwed into the ground to pay for the mistakes of the rich.

Mistakes of the rich? By rich do you mean just the bankers or others too? If you mean just the bankers, this is an infinitesimal amount of people compared to the amount of rich - are you generalising? Apart from banks when are the poor paying for mistakes of the rich?

I mean bankers, brokers, everyone who caused the global financial crisis with their reckless greed and **** for profit. Now Southend's tories are going to steal the food from the mouths of Southend's elderly and disabled to pay for the greed of the rich.

STEAL the food from their mouths! Puh-lease! Are you serious – I don’t remember a bigger exaggeration in my entire life! Steal – omg I just cant get over it! They are putting it up by £1.50 – did you not read it right – are you an extremist or what?

And you say “So nice that you think the lives of the elderly and disabled are a price worth paying for the mistakes of the rich” – WTF - That’s hardly what I’m saying is it! So in your eyes, putting up meals on wheels by £1.50 will absolutely be the sole cause of numerous elderly deaths? Extremism!

That is £1.50 a day. By my calculations that adds a minimum of £42 a month to an elderly or disabled person's bills. How are they supposed to afford that, on top of increased fuel bills, council tax, etc?
I make Roy Baty right, they are stealing food from the mouths of the most vulnerable, to pay for the greed of the rich.

lol the vinegar lady. same broken record. take credit for the good times but that financial mess caused by Brown/blair ah that'll be the "global" financial crisis. the word "stupid" doesn't do you justice. not only were they at the switch whilst it was all going on, they were knighting the bankers (lol) and then made things worse by bailing them all out (lol).

sash bore buoy wrote:
lol the vinegar lady. same broken record. take credit for the good times but that financial mess caused by Brown/blair ah that'll be the "global" financial crisis. the word "stupid" doesn't do you justice. not only were they at the switch whilst it was all going on, they were knighting the bankers (lol) and then made things worse by bailing them all out (lol).

It is a global financial crisis. Europe is on the brink of collapse, Greece, Spain are bankrupt, the US is struggling with the largest debt on the planet, Japan is struggling, countries right around the globe are in trouble.
You need to start reading a paper with actual news in it instead of the Daily Sport.

Yeah, whatever Sasha sweetheart, don't let the issues trouble your pretty little blonde head. Go do your make-up or something and talk about the X-Factor.

V_is_back wrote:

sash bore buoy wrote:
lol the vinegar lady. same broken record. take credit for the good times but that financial mess caused by Brown/blair ah that'll be the "global" financial crisis. the word "stupid" doesn't do you justice. not only were they at the switch whilst it was all going on, they were knighting the bankers (lol) and then made things worse by bailing them all out (lol).

It is a global financial crisis. Europe is on the brink of collapse, Greece, Spain are bankrupt, the US is struggling with the largest debt on the planet, Japan is struggling, countries right around the globe are in trouble.
You need to start reading a paper with actual news in it instead of the Daily Sport.

let's take each one of your examples separately.
greece should never have been allowed to join the euro. spain is suffering from a property bust caused by too low interest rates - euro again (failed socialist collectivist nonsense idea). the US grew at 2.8% GDP last quarter - looks pretty good to me. finally japan (lol) depression for the last 20years...not sure if they had any impact on growth in the uk lol? bet you don't get that info from the socialist worker!

Nebs wrote:

Roy_Baty wrote:

Max Impact wrote: Firstly I will point out that I have never and doubt very much I will ever be a religious person, but I respect those people that do have a faith and I will respect that faith when I visit a church, Mosque or Synagogue. So why do I object to the occupy movement. Firstly: In the vast majority of cases these camps are illegal, why should they break the law in the name of “rightful” protest surely a rightful protest MUST be within the law? Secondly: They want a fair playing field for all a world where we are all equal, why should I have to work hard to afford the good things in life when the guy down the road with countless feral kids running amuck be given it all for sitting at home doing nothing all day, smoking dope and getting drunk? Thirdly: If a family lives beyond their means buying the latest Playstation or Xbox, getting the designer clothes, having a foreign holiday or two BEFORE paying the rent and they get evicted then in my mind they have bought that on themselves and its their own fault they have lost their home, why should they be supported when they will probably just go and do it again? Fourthly: They keep saying we want to change the system but they have NEVER come up with a workable solution. Fifthly: They want to protect job but at the same time they want to abolish the arms trade and industry so what about these jobs are they not worth saving? Sixthly: They see that there is no need to slash spending and cuts are not needed, where is the money going to come from to do that, there is not enough in the pot for the country to keep spending how it has been in the past, cut backs need to be made to save us from turning in to a Ireland or Greece. Thoese are my main points on not supporting occupy and its followers, why should I spend years and years working my fingers to the bone only for the do nothing take everything members of society to be given the same lifestyle I have worked hard to earn for nothing.

Jobs in the arms trade - making money from the slaughter of people - are not worth saving.

Six good valid points.

Nebs: I Thank you

Roy Batty: You say (and I quote) "Jobs in the arms trade - making money from the slaughter of people - are not worth saving"

By this statement are you saying that we

Should not arm out Police in anyway?

Are you saying that we should dispand our Armed Forces?

Are you saying we were wrong to help liberate the people of Libya?

What about the vast amounts of money and jobs that would be lost?

Please answer these points.

It is disgusting that they are camping on the graves of the dead and then urinating on other graves. Utter scum.

Max Impact wrote:

Nebs wrote:

Roy_Baty wrote:

Max Impact wrote: Firstly I will point out that I have never and doubt very much I will ever be a religious person, but I respect those people that do have a faith and I will respect that faith when I visit a church, Mosque or Synagogue. So why do I object to the occupy movement. Firstly: In the vast majority of cases these camps are illegal, why should they break the law in the name of “rightful” protest surely a rightful protest MUST be within the law? Secondly: They want a fair playing field for all a world where we are all equal, why should I have to work hard to afford the good things in life when the guy down the road with countless feral kids running amuck be given it all for sitting at home doing nothing all day, smoking dope and getting drunk? Thirdly: If a family lives beyond their means buying the latest Playstation or Xbox, getting the designer clothes, having a foreign holiday or two BEFORE paying the rent and they get evicted then in my mind they have bought that on themselves and its their own fault they have lost their home, why should they be supported when they will probably just go and do it again? Fourthly: They keep saying we want to change the system but they have NEVER come up with a workable solution. Fifthly: They want to protect job but at the same time they want to abolish the arms trade and industry so what about these jobs are they not worth saving? Sixthly: They see that there is no need to slash spending and cuts are not needed, where is the money going to come from to do that, there is not enough in the pot for the country to keep spending how it has been in the past, cut backs need to be made to save us from turning in to a Ireland or Greece. Thoese are my main points on not supporting occupy and its followers, why should I spend years and years working my fingers to the bone only for the do nothing take everything members of society to be given the same lifestyle I have worked hard to earn for nothing.

Jobs in the arms trade - making money from the slaughter of people - are not worth saving.

Six good valid points.

Nebs: I Thank you

Roy Batty: You say (and I quote) "Jobs in the arms trade - making money from the slaughter of people - are not worth saving"

By this statement are you saying that we

Should not arm out Police in anyway?

Are you saying that we should dispand our Armed Forces?

Are you saying we were wrong to help liberate the people of Libya?

What about the vast amounts of money and jobs that would be lost?

Please answer these points.

I said jobs in the arms trade, in other words, manufacturing and selling death.
I don't care if people in the arms trade lose their jobs, they are as guilty of murdering people as those regimes who use their weaponry.
As for liberating Libya, it wasn't our business, neither was Iraq, neither was Afghanistan. If the US wants to go fighting wars for oil let them, we don't have to tag along like their obedient little puppy dog.
If we weren't spending billions on America's oil wars we might not have the vile news of Southend council taking food from the most vulnerable to pay the bankers' debt.

Oh and by the way, it's BaTy, one

Roy_Baty wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Nebs wrote:

Roy_Baty wrote:

Max Impact wrote: Firstly I will point out that I have never and doubt very much I will ever be a religious person, but I respect those people that do have a faith and I will respect that faith when I visit a church, Mosque or Synagogue. So why do I object to the occupy movement. Firstly: In the vast majority of cases these camps are illegal, why should they break the law in the name of “rightful” protest surely a rightful protest MUST be within the law? Secondly: They want a fair playing field for all a world where we are all equal, why should I have to work hard to afford the good things in life when the guy down the road with countless feral kids running amuck be given it all for sitting at home doing nothing all day, smoking dope and getting drunk? Thirdly: If a family lives beyond their means buying the latest Playstation or Xbox, getting the designer clothes, having a foreign holiday or two BEFORE paying the rent and they get evicted then in my mind they have bought that on themselves and its their own fault they have lost their home, why should they be supported when they will probably just go and do it again? Fourthly: They keep saying we want to change the system but they have NEVER come up with a workable solution. Fifthly: They want to protect job but at the same time they want to abolish the arms trade and industry so what about these jobs are they not worth saving? Sixthly: They see that there is no need to slash spending and cuts are not needed, where is the money going to come from to do that, there is not enough in the pot for the country to keep spending how it has been in the past, cut backs need to be made to save us from turning in to a Ireland or Greece. Thoese are my main points on not supporting occupy and its followers, why should I spend years and years working my fingers to the bone only for the do nothing take everything members of society to be given the same lifestyle I have worked hard to earn for nothing.

Jobs in the arms trade - making money from the slaughter of people - are not worth saving.

Six good valid points.

Nebs: I Thank you Roy Batty: You say (and I quote) "Jobs in the arms trade - making money from the slaughter of people - are not worth saving" By this statement are you saying that we Should not arm out Police in anyway? Are you saying that we should dispand our Armed Forces? Are you saying we were wrong to help liberate the people of Libya? What about the vast amounts of money and jobs that would be lost? Please answer these points.

I said jobs in the arms trade, in other words, manufacturing and selling death. I don't care if people in the arms trade lose their jobs, they are as guilty of murdering people as those regimes who use their weaponry. As for liberating Libya, it wasn't our business, neither was Iraq, neither was Afghanistan. If the US wants to go fighting wars for oil let them, we don't have to tag along like their obedient little puppy dog. If we weren't spending billions on America's oil wars we might not have the vile news of Southend council taking food from the most vulnerable to pay the bankers' debt. Oh and by the way, it's BaTy, one

But without an arms trade how would we arm our Police and Armed Forces?

We would have to buy in from overseas costing the country more, or do you not beleve in arming the Police and Armed Forces can you answer that.

Don't forget the last government spent so freely that they did not set aside enough money for the long term stability of the country, they could only see short term gain, but that is Labour for you.

Now that the spend thrift times are over people don't like the measures needed to bring the country back on to an even keel, but cuts are needed. Things could be a whole lot worse look at the likes of Greece & Ireland how would you like the situation they are in happening here, those that can't see cuts are vital to stop it happening here are looking through rose tinted glasses and clearly don't have a grip on the reality of the situation.

Max Impact wrote:

Roy_Baty wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

Nebs wrote:

Roy_Baty wrote:

Max Impact wrote: Firstly I will point out that I have never and doubt very much I will ever be a religious person, but I respect those people that do have a faith and I will respect that faith when I visit a church, Mosque or Synagogue. So why do I object to the occupy movement. Firstly: In the vast majority of cases these camps are illegal, why should they break the law in the name of “rightful” protest surely a rightful protest MUST be within the law? Secondly: They want a fair playing field for all a world where we are all equal, why should I have to work hard to afford the good things in life when the guy down the road with countless feral kids running amuck be given it all for sitting at home doing nothing all day, smoking dope and getting drunk? Thirdly: If a family lives beyond their means buying the latest Playstation or Xbox, getting the designer clothes, having a foreign holiday or two BEFORE paying the rent and they get evicted then in my mind they have bought that on themselves and its their own fault they have lost their home, why should they be supported when they will probably just go and do it again? Fourthly: They keep saying we want to change the system but they have NEVER come up with a workable solution. Fifthly: They want to protect job but at the same time they want to abolish the arms trade and industry so what about these jobs are they not worth saving? Sixthly: They see that there is no need to slash spending and cuts are not needed, where is the money going to come from to do that, there is not enough in the pot for the country to keep spending how it has been in the past, cut backs need to be made to save us from turning in to a Ireland or Greece. Thoese are my main points on not supporting occupy and its followers, why should I spend years and years working my fingers to the bone only for the do nothing take everything members of society to be given the same lifestyle I have worked hard to earn for nothing.

Jobs in the arms trade - making money from the slaughter of people - are not worth saving.

Six good valid points.

Nebs: I Thank you Roy Batty: You say (and I quote) "Jobs in the arms trade - making money from the slaughter of people - are not worth saving" By this statement are you saying that we Should not arm out Police in anyway? Are you saying that we should dispand our Armed Forces? Are you saying we were wrong to help liberate the people of Libya? What about the vast amounts of money and jobs that would be lost? Please answer these points.

I said jobs in the arms trade, in other words, manufacturing and selling death. I don't care if people in the arms trade lose their jobs, they are as guilty of murdering people as those regimes who use their weaponry. As for liberating Libya, it wasn't our business, neither was Iraq, neither was Afghanistan. If the US wants to go fighting wars for oil let them, we don't have to tag along like their obedient little puppy dog. If we weren't spending billions on America's oil wars we might not have the vile news of Southend council taking food from the most vulnerable to pay the bankers' debt. Oh and by the way, it's BaTy, one

But without an arms trade how would we arm our Police and Armed Forces?

We would have to buy in from overseas costing the country more, or do you not beleve in arming the Police and Armed Forces can you answer that.

Don't forget the last government spent so freely that they did not set aside enough money for the long term stability of the country, they could only see short term gain, but that is Labour for you.

Now that the spend thrift times are over people don't like the measures needed to bring the country back on to an even keel, but cuts are needed. Things could be a whole lot worse look at the likes of Greece & Ireland how would you like the situation they are in happening here, those that can't see cuts are vital to stop it happening here are looking through rose tinted glasses and clearly don't have a grip on the reality of the situation.

Cancer research, health care, feeding, clothing, and sheltering the elderly and vulnerable, educating the young, health care for all free at point of delivery… ALL these things are more important than manufacturing death.

Look at Trident, an unnecessary white elephant, cost so far £28BILLION and rising, that money would see our streets empty of homeless, no-one dying of hypothermia in winter, every child fed, clothed and sheltered.

The arms trade is immoral, vile, and unnecessary. It serves no benefit, all it does is peddle death and suffering. I would shut it down in a heartbeat.

Why will you not anwer the question about the Police being armed should some be armed or should we send them in to situations where the crims have guns unarmed or let the crims get away?

What is your view of criminals should they all face the harshest possible punishment no matter what the crime?

What would you do for the people in the arms trade you have put out of work, they will need dole and benifits for a long time as the knock on effect of acrapping the arms trade will wipe out and savings as supply trade would be hit as well, not thought about it much have you.

forget all that. what about why you have this rabid dislike of the tories when it was labour that cozied up to the bankers. aren't the bankers the main target of occupy protests? instead it's the tories and soft targets like church graveyards.
on another note why have we not heard from apluckofbacksackandc
rack in the last few days? is he urinating on the graves with the rest of the tory i mean banker haters?

If these people are campaigning against the bankers etc, why don't they camp outside Essex House on Southchurh Rd, or the HSBC offices in Victoria Circus? What has an historic churchyard got to do with their grievances?
Walked past last night, they seemed to have a bonfire or something set up where they had their tents.

i think they're basically telling us they're not campaigning against the bankers. the church is a far easier target and chuck in some predictable anti tory dogma. to be fair hsbc never took government money but rbs and lloyds are perfectly fair game and if they set up camp there i'm in (although i won't share a tent with apluckofbacksackandc
rack!)

For what it's worth... St Mary's invited members of the camp in for their Ash Wednesday Evensong tonight. Some of us took them up on that offer and used the opportunity to have a chat with some of the parishioners. Guess what? Every comment positive, loads of support.

So the 'spokesman for the diocese' does not represent the views of the church members. The diocese have yet to communicate anything to the camp directly, the only representative of the CofE who has visited has not claimed to be from the diocese, and the only statement they have officially put out is on their website, http://www.chelmsfor
d.anglican.org/st-ma
rys-church-prittlewe
ll-southend.html

I'm not even going to bother responding to the ridiculous claims that have been made about the camp in this comment section, it's all the same old rhetoric and nonsense.

sash bore buoy wrote:
i think they're basically telling us they're not campaigning against the bankers. the church is a far easier target and chuck in some predictable anti tory dogma. to be fair hsbc never took government money but rbs and lloyds are perfectly fair game and if they set up camp there i'm in (although i won't share a tent with apluckofbacksackandc rack!)

Neither HSBC or Braclays took bail out money from the taxpayer, but they did benefit from other initiatives. Essex House is a good site as I have pointed out before.
Wonder how much, if any, damage has been caused by the campers?

Bangemup wrote:
What another bunch of unwashed arrogant parasites protesting about the inequality between rich and poor ! Why should they think they have a " divine " right to occupy consecrated ground . It would help the Country more if they were to go and get a job , pay something into the system and not spend their life sponging off the taxpayer via the Benefits system.Hose them down, evict them and publicly flog them . Well done Chelmsford Diocese , I'm glad you put them straight from the onset , it's up to the authorities to remove the scum !

well said that man

Bangemup wrote:
What another bunch of unwashed arrogant parasites protesting about the inequality between rich and poor ! Why should they think they have a " divine " right to occupy consecrated ground . It would help the Country more if they were to go and get a job , pay something into the system and not spend their life sponging off the taxpayer via the Benefits system.Hose them down, evict them and publicly flog them . Well done Chelmsford Diocese , I'm glad you put them straight from the onset , it's up to the authorities to remove the scum !

well said that man

I object to paying 50% on some of my earning to support lazy feckless people can I have a camp in my please.


Opps sorry dont have time I'm busy working

Anyone seen the latest on the camp according to the Echo (printed edition)

Far from preparing to leave they want to set up a stage and loudspeakers to dictate to all in ear shot their self-righteous beliefs, how is this respecting the church, will they shut up during a service or carry on preaching and ramming their bile down the throats of those in the church.

If this is true can we get a noise abatement order served please?

With Patsy Link & Mark Sharp both being members of the skip committee and now appearing to be both high up in occupy Southend, why not ask occupy’s Neil Starkey to merge the two groups and absorb the more or less defunct anti airport saen in to one new group called Anti Southend Solidarity they could be more commonly know by their abbreviated name...

Complete rubbish, there are no plans for a stage or loudspeakers, there will be a small PA system used for the general assembly on Saturday, during which no services will be taking place.

As I've said before, some members of SKIPP are part of Occupy Southend. Most of the folk at Occupy are not members of any other local protest groups. I've never been involved with SKIPP and I completely disagree with SAEN, I'm pro airport and always have been.

Sigh... Don't feed the trolls...

So your pro-airport so I guess pro-Stobarts people say Stobarts have a monopoly which is one thing occupy is against I believe.

A PA system is still intrusive for the people living within ear shot, the story came from the Echo who interviewed a camper.

Go and buy a copy if you do not believe me.

If a member of the public living in a house over looking your illegal camp asks you to turn off the PA will you?

Hurri wrote:
Complete rubbish, there are no plans for a stage or loudspeakers, there will be a small PA system used for the general assembly on Saturday, during which no services will be taking place.

As I've said before, some members of SKIPP are part of Occupy Southend. Most of the folk at Occupy are not members of any other local protest groups. I've never been involved with SKIPP and I completely disagree with SAEN, I'm pro airport and always have been.

Sigh... Don't feed the trolls...

Just ignore 'Max Impact', or Mark Drange as he's known on Facebook. He's nothing but a mouthpiece for Southend's tories. He will post lie after lie after lie to smear those the local tories disagree with or don't like.

He's like a minor version of Lord Haw Haw, spouting lies and propaganda for Southend's tories.

aduksquack wrote:

Hurri wrote: Complete rubbish, there are no plans for a stage or loudspeakers, there will be a small PA system used for the general assembly on Saturday, during which no services will be taking place. As I've said before, some members of SKIPP are part of Occupy Southend. Most of the folk at Occupy are not members of any other local protest groups. I've never been involved with SKIPP and I completely disagree with SAEN, I'm pro airport and always have been. Sigh... Don't feed the trolls...

Just ignore 'Max Impact', or Mark Drange as he's known on Facebook. He's nothing but a mouthpiece for Southend's tories. He will post lie after lie after lie to smear those the local tories disagree with or don't like. He's like a minor version of Lord Haw Haw, spouting lies and propaganda for Southend's tories.

Show my lies.

I'm not in Council, I do not vote Tory.

Give a Yes or No answer.

Is the occupy camp legal?

sash bore buoy wrote:
ah the shoebury leg shaver. did you clear up your faeces in the churchyard?

What a strange fellating oedipal oick of an oddity you are to comment thus.

Have you nothing else to say about people who are concerned about the inequality the system we all labour under is currently promoting?

Max Impact wrote:

aduksquack wrote:

Hurri wrote: Complete rubbish, there are no plans for a stage or loudspeakers, there will be a small PA system used for the general assembly on Saturday, during which no services will be taking place. As I've said before, some members of SKIPP are part of Occupy Southend. Most of the folk at Occupy are not members of any other local protest groups. I've never been involved with SKIPP and I completely disagree with SAEN, I'm pro airport and always have been. Sigh... Don't feed the trolls...

Just ignore 'Max Impact', or Mark Drange as he's known on Facebook. He's nothing but a mouthpiece for Southend's tories. He will post lie after lie after lie to smear those the local tories disagree with or don't like. He's like a minor version of Lord Haw Haw, spouting lies and propaganda for Southend's tories.

Show my lies.

I'm not in Council, I do not vote Tory.

Give a Yes or No answer.

Is the occupy camp legal?

Is what is wrong with our system of organisation moral?

If not ... as many believe to be the case ... what on earth is wrong with a little illegality on the way to sorting it?

onegreatjohnny wrote:

sash bore buoy wrote:
ah the shoebury leg shaver. did you clear up your faeces in the churchyard?

What a strange fellating oedipal oick of an oddity you are to comment thus.

Have you nothing else to say about people who are concerned about the inequality the system we all labour under is currently promoting?

they're just a load of tory bashers. read the thread. i guess they're just your kindred spirits so gush over their heroism and their selflish devotion to the "99%". I fully support putting the bankers to the sword but what has this churchyard got to do with anything. again wake up from your deep slumber

Why not a church?

This movement kicked off in this country at St. Pauls ... and no-one can deny Christianity's link - via the Gospels - with their concerns.

And Tories need bashing ... it's the only way to improve them in my opinion ...they like it in the end to boot.

Anyway, this thing is apolitical ... you can come on board without upsetting party loyalties unless you're just dozy.

onegreatjohnny wrote:
Why not a church?

This movement kicked off in this country at St. Pauls ... and no-one can deny Christianity's link - via the Gospels - with their concerns.

And Tories need bashing ... it's the only way to improve them in my opinion ...they like it in the end to boot.

Anyway, this thing is apolitical ... you can come on board without upsetting party loyalties unless you're just dozy.

at st paul's because they failed to get to the stock exchange. the patrons of st pauls are all bankers so no problem there. this is just a soft target but your disorganised rabble are only going to manage soft targets. this is not apolitical as you will discover if you read the comments of the main protagonists (above). the banking crisis was caused by labour. now step aside and let the people who have a clue fix it

Leaders emerge in all movements and this one will be no different I hope.

As for the banking crisis ... it was caused by a banking industry cleverly hiding sub-prime mortgages amongst its even more cleverly put together useless financial gambling packages.

What a waste of talent into the bargain.

You not only do not have a clue ... you do not know where to look to get one.

did you have a backsackandcrack job done on a parallel gurney with your EPO popping buddy?

Now I know you're beat ... and so does anyone else on this forum.

Keep it up ... duty calls ... I'm having an early night so you can carry on doing it on your own.

Laters.

nobody hid anything. this was all out in the open. brown's light touch or do whatever the ell you like regulation. selective amnesia is a common complaint these days. stupidity even more common eh johnny

Max Impact wrote:

aduksquack wrote:

Hurri wrote: Complete rubbish, there are no plans for a stage or loudspeakers, there will be a small PA system used for the general assembly on Saturday, during which no services will be taking place. As I've said before, some members of SKIPP are part of Occupy Southend. Most of the folk at Occupy are not members of any other local protest groups. I've never been involved with SKIPP and I completely disagree with SAEN, I'm pro airport and always have been. Sigh... Don't feed the trolls...

Just ignore 'Max Impact', or Mark Drange as he's known on Facebook. He's nothing but a mouthpiece for Southend's tories. He will post lie after lie after lie to smear those the local tories disagree with or don't like. He's like a minor version of Lord Haw Haw, spouting lies and propaganda for Southend's tories.

Show my lies.

I'm not in Council, I do not vote Tory.

Give a Yes or No answer.

Is the occupy camp legal?

Give a yes or no answer, are you the Southend Con Club's lickspittle mouthpiece?

aduksquack wrote:

Max Impact wrote:

aduksquack wrote:

Hurri wrote: Complete rubbish, there are no plans for a stage or loudspeakers, there will be a small PA system used for the general assembly on Saturday, during which no services will be taking place. As I've said before, some members of SKIPP are part of Occupy Southend. Most of the folk at Occupy are not members of any other local protest groups. I've never been involved with SKIPP and I completely disagree with SAEN, I'm pro airport and always have been. Sigh... Don't feed the trolls...

Just ignore 'Max Impact', or Mark Drange as he's known on Facebook. He's nothing but a mouthpiece for Southend's tories. He will post lie after lie after lie to smear those the local tories disagree with or don't like. He's like a minor version of Lord Haw Haw, spouting lies and propaganda for Southend's tories.

Show my lies.

I'm not in Council, I do not vote Tory.

Give a Yes or No answer.

Is the occupy camp legal?

Give a yes or no answer, are you the Southend Con Club's lickspittle mouthpiece?

No

Now answer the question is the occupy camp (crurrently) in St Mary's Church leagal?

Max Impact wrote:
Anyone seen the latest on the camp according to the Echo (printed edition)

Far from preparing to leave they want to set up a stage and loudspeakers to dictate to all in ear shot their self-righteous beliefs, how is this respecting the church, will they shut up during a service or carry on preaching and ramming their bile down the throats of those in the church.

If this is true can we get a noise abatement order served please?

With Patsy Link & Mark Sharp both being members of the skip committee and now appearing to be both high up in occupy Southend, why not ask occupy’s Neil Starkey to merge the two groups and absorb the more or less defunct anti airport saen in to one new group called Anti Southend Solidarity they could be more commonly know by their abbreviated name...

I myself am not in agreement with this occupation nor am I blowing a trumpet for SKIP or SAEN but somewhat tongue in cheek I ask….will jet aircraft stop taking off and landing while a service is going on at St Lawrence Church? Eastwood.

Broadwaywatch wrote:

Max Impact wrote:
Anyone seen the latest on the camp according to the Echo (printed edition)

Far from preparing to leave they want to set up a stage and loudspeakers to dictate to all in ear shot their self-righteous beliefs, how is this respecting the church, will they shut up during a service or carry on preaching and ramming their bile down the throats of those in the church.

If this is true can we get a noise abatement order served please?

With Patsy Link & Mark Sharp both being members of the skip committee and now appearing to be both high up in occupy Southend, why not ask occupy’s Neil Starkey to merge the two groups and absorb the more or less defunct anti airport saen in to one new group called Anti Southend Solidarity they could be more commonly know by their abbreviated name...

I myself am not in agreement with this occupation nor am I blowing a trumpet for SKIP or SAEN but somewhat tongue in cheek I ask….will jet aircraft stop taking off and landing while a service is going on at St Lawrence Church? Eastwood.

Well you see, THAT is desecration that Mark Drange supports 100%. The Occupy protesters are despised by Southend's tories, so Max Impact/Mark Drange will spout whatever his tory masters in the Civic Centre tell him to spout.
He has no mind of his own.

Broadwaywatch, are you saying that occupy intend to disrupt church services by being noisy?

Roy_Baty wrote:

Max Impact wrote:
Firstly I will point out that I have never and doubt very much I will ever be a religious person, but I respect those people that do have a faith and I will respect that faith when I visit a church, Mosque or Synagogue.


So why do I object to the occupy movement.


Firstly: In the vast majority of cases these camps are illegal, why should they break the law in the name of “rightful” protest surely a rightful protest MUST be within the law?


Secondly: They want a fair playing field for all a world where we are all equal, why should I have to work hard to afford the good things in life when the guy down the road with countless feral kids running amuck be given it all for sitting at home doing nothing all day, smoking dope and getting drunk?


Thirdly: If a family lives beyond their means buying the latest Playstation or Xbox, getting the designer clothes, having a foreign holiday or two BEFORE paying the rent and they get evicted then in my mind they have bought that on themselves and its their own fault they have lost their home, why should they be supported when they will probably just go and do it again?


Fourthly: They keep saying we want to change the system but they have NEVER come up with a workable solution.
Fifthly: They want to protect job but at the same time they want to abolish the arms trade and industry so what about these jobs are they not worth saving?


Sixthly: They see that there is no need to slash spending and cuts are not needed, where is the money going to come from to do that, there is not enough in the pot for the country to keep spending how it has been in the past, cut backs need to be made to save us from turning in to a Ireland or Greece.


Thoese are my main points on not supporting occupy and its followers, why should I spend years and years working my fingers to the bone only for the do nothing take everything members of society to be given the same lifestyle I have worked hard to earn for nothing.

Jobs in the arms trade - making money from the slaughter of people - are not worth saving.

Unfortunately, the arms trade is necessary. Can I remind you that the sole reason you have the opportunity to write comments like this, is due to our arms trade re-acting to a dictatorship in 1939 and that but for that, you would be living in a Nazi state, with no freedoms. How soon we forget !!!!

Who ever is occupying the church matters not , the fact is they are at least doing something to highlight the fact that The Iluminarte are riding rough shod over you the writer of comments, you are the people that are paying for the big cats to get bigger, if you dont agree with making a stand of any type then shorley you support the banks paying out to staff, and accept without question that you are happy to pay out through your bank, you cant really oppose both principles , I agree that a more democratic approch would be the most appropriate but who will listen the only voice you have in todays world is the words you write, and lets face it like mine dont mean an awful lot , none of us want to identifey who we are , which just proves a point we are all closet protesters in or own way. I feel we should not condem those that are prepaired to state what we all really think. Maybe if everybody that opposes the payouts were to band together it would lesson the need for activist protesting ,I dont agree with the bank bonuses, I dont agree with my greviences being ignored so therefore I must support the protest, maybe its time to get real with, the state of the uk at present maybe it just something we all will have to get used to, One further point I wonder how much the church pardray is driven by money , I wonder if weddings, funerals, and baptisms are being affected , I doubt if the vicar would threaten in such a way as he should have compasion and indeed offer support to the needy and he is not qulified to pass judjment, its quit obvious he has had orders from above ,Chelmsford not God
( my opinion of course)

Quote ".....if you dont agree with making a stand of any type then shorley you support the banks paying out to staff, and accept without question that you are happy to pay out through your bank...."

That's a big assumption to make