Fears badgers could stall museum plan

10:40am Tuesday 17th July 2012 in Southend Photograph of the Author By Stephen Hackwell

Grand plans – an artist’s impression of the museum Grand plans – an artist’s impression of the museum

A COLONY of badgers has been found on the site earmarked for a new seafront museum.

Southend Council has revealed the badgers have dug a sett into the cliffs above Western Esplanade, in the middle of the area deemed off limits to the public.

The council wants to sink a 20,000sq ft museum, restaurant and car park complex into the site, which has been closed since a landslip in 2002.

The building is expected to be finished by 2020 at the latest, but the council hopes to shore up the slip area so it can be reopened to the public this summer.

However, the unexpected discovery means it will be forced to move the badgers first and the entire project could be delayed indefinitely if the creatures do not like their new home.

Derek Jarvis, the Tory councillor responsible for the museum scheme, said: “Relocating badgers is a relatively straightforward process.

“I don’t want anyone to be alarmed by this, and for the badgers’ own protection it would be best if people did not disturb them.

“They can be moved without any harm.”

Badger clans, which consist of adults and youngsters, are usually found in woods or grassland areas.

It is not clear when the sett on the cliffs was created, although it is likely to be several years old.

Under the Protection of Badgers Act 1992, it is a criminal offence to destroy a sett and the council must seek a special licence from Natural England to move the badgers.

If it secures planning permission for its museum scheme on Wednesday, it will create a new, artificial sett away from the cliff slip site and try to lure the badgers to it by leaving trails of food.

Once the creatures have occupied the new tunnels, the authority will block the entrances to the old sett.

However, it must allow three weeks to ensure the badgers have settled into their new home.

If they return to the old sett during that time, the whole process must start again.

Sean Crossland, whose company, Southern Ecological Solutions, conducted a survey of the badgers on behalf of the council, said there should be no long-term ill-effects for the badgers as a result of the move.

But he recommended the new home was initially fenced to stop people and dogs disturbing the creatures.

He added: “The careful location of the replacement badger sett away from busy thoroughfares, as well as dense scrub planting, should mitigate the adverse impacts of the museum scheme.”

Comments (80)

11:26am Tue 17 Jul 12

southendshrimper says...

Skipp must be dancing in the streets. Have there illegal camp gone yet?
Skipp must be dancing in the streets. Have there illegal camp gone yet? southendshrimper

12:10pm Tue 17 Jul 12

notinwestcliffanymore says...

What gives badgers the right to set up camp where they want, surely they must know that they are undermining the fabric of the cliffs and along with council logging are responsible for the slippage.
What gives badgers the right to set up camp where they want, surely they must know that they are undermining the fabric of the cliffs and along with council logging are responsible for the slippage. notinwestcliffanymore

12:25pm Tue 17 Jul 12

j-w says...

https://maps.google.
co.uk/maps?q=western
+esplanade&hl=en&ll=
51.533266,0.70836&sp
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sll=53.800651,-4.064
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thend-on-Sea+SS1,+Un
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or this

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I think I like the new proposals. The buildings should great from above and almost vanish when viewed from the cliff tops and not too bad from the seafront.
https://maps.google. co.uk/maps?q=western +esplanade&hl=en&ll= 51.533266,0.70836&sp n=0.000255,0.000517& sll=53.800651,-4.064 941&sspn=7.881149,16 .940918&t=h&hnear=We stern+Esplanade,+Sou thend-on-Sea+SS1,+Un ited+Kingdom&z=21&la yer=c&cbll=51.533266 ,0.70836&panoid=AXlD 3LW4tHO2TCYo5IPxHg&c bp=12,342.22,,0,12.3 7 or this http://publicedrms.s outhend.gov.uk/Plann ing/StreamDocPage/ob j.wmv?DocNo=2206869& PageNo=1&content=obj .wmv I think I like the new proposals. The buildings should great from above and almost vanish when viewed from the cliff tops and not too bad from the seafront. j-w

12:35pm Tue 17 Jul 12

r6keith says...

STOP PRESS : Badgers fight council in court over compulsory demolition order of desirable sea view residence !
Claims for anything you can think and did not realize you could make claim. Have offered their services on a no win no fee basis.
A spokesman for the badgers said , this is not as black and white as it looks there are some grey areas to be considered. Because of our illegal squating we feel we are being victimised . Recently standards in the area have really dropped, only the other day someone was playing bonjos at 4.00 in the morning! Is this a council undercover ploy to reduce the value of our sett ?
STOP PRESS : Badgers fight council in court over compulsory demolition order of desirable sea view residence ! Claims for anything you can think and did not realize you could make claim. Have offered their services on a no win no fee basis. A spokesman for the badgers said , this is not as black and white as it looks there are some grey areas to be considered. Because of our illegal squating we feel we are being victimised . Recently standards in the area have really dropped, only the other day someone was playing bonjos at 4.00 in the morning! Is this a council undercover ploy to reduce the value of our sett ? r6keith

12:51pm Tue 17 Jul 12

mys842 says...

This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?
This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway? mys842

12:55pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

Good luck to the badgers, perhaps they could ask ET & Co from Dale farm to help them fight the Council, that would hold up this ridiculous proposal even longer. Does this 'business centre' set in chavvy-land really look like a suitable final resting place for the most important relics ever found in Southend? I think not.
Good luck to the badgers, perhaps they could ask ET & Co from Dale farm to help them fight the Council, that would hold up this ridiculous proposal even longer. Does this 'business centre' set in chavvy-land really look like a suitable final resting place for the most important relics ever found in Southend? I think not. Truth Will Prevail

12:58pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

mys842 wrote:
This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?
Impressive as a business centre maybe but not as a distinguished museum. It completely ignores one of the most important tenets of good design, namely context, which seems to be completely absent here.
[quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?[/p][/quote]Impressive as a business centre maybe but not as a distinguished museum. It completely ignores one of the most important tenets of good design, namely context, which seems to be completely absent here. Truth Will Prevail

1:08pm Tue 17 Jul 12

frank & monty says...

Typical of this useless, useless council not to have discovered a colony of badgers that have been there for years during the site investigations, surveys, etc.
They keep shooting themselves in the foot time after time after time.
What is the betting that this colony will be quickly poisoned off so as not to interfere with Mr Bl00dy Meddle's self-promoting plans for this nightmare building?
Typical of this useless, useless council not to have discovered a colony of badgers that have been there for years during the site investigations, surveys, etc. They keep shooting themselves in the foot time after time after time. What is the betting that this colony will be quickly poisoned off so as not to interfere with Mr Bl00dy Meddle's self-promoting plans for this nightmare building? frank & monty

1:11pm Tue 17 Jul 12

j-w says...

Truth, you know its not all about the saxon relics from some uknowns burial chamber. Most people couldn't give a what for about them and wish they had never been found (which they wouldn't have been If the council hadn't wanted to improve a stretch of road !)
Truth, you know its not all about the saxon relics from some uknowns burial chamber. Most people couldn't give a what for about them and wish they had never been found (which they wouldn't have been If the council hadn't wanted to improve a stretch of road !) j-w

1:15pm Tue 17 Jul 12

SUFC1906 says...

Can we assume that the badgers will be eligible to claim free meals at council meetings when their appeal is due to be heard? Are the council going to put them in bed & breakfast when their setts are scrapped & they become homeless?
Can we assume that the badgers will be eligible to claim free meals at council meetings when their appeal is due to be heard? Are the council going to put them in bed & breakfast when their setts are scrapped & they become homeless? SUFC1906

1:17pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Blind Haze says...

Perhaps this will help

http://www.badgerbad
gerbadger.com/
Perhaps this will help http://www.badgerbad gerbadger.com/ Blind Haze

1:39pm Tue 17 Jul 12

mys842 says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
mys842 wrote: This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?
Impressive as a business centre maybe but not as a distinguished museum. It completely ignores one of the most important tenets of good design, namely context, which seems to be completely absent here.
In your opinion maybe, not in mine. Museums don't have to be old buildings; those built that we enjoy visiting were modern for their time when built. They certainly weren't built in the style of the artefacts they held. This is a bold and modern deisgn that is in-keeping with the new style established in that area for exampel the lift tower. There is an assortment of architecture, from the clifftown houses to the art-deco Cliff's Pavillion to the brutalist 60's housing blocks. Move with the time - this is a fitting building that fits well into its surroundings. I've every hope SBC will approve it.
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?[/p][/quote]Impressive as a business centre maybe but not as a distinguished museum. It completely ignores one of the most important tenets of good design, namely context, which seems to be completely absent here.[/p][/quote]In your opinion maybe, not in mine. Museums don't have to be old buildings; those built that we enjoy visiting were modern for their time when built. They certainly weren't built in the style of the artefacts they held. This is a bold and modern deisgn that is in-keeping with the new style established in that area for exampel the lift tower. There is an assortment of architecture, from the clifftown houses to the art-deco Cliff's Pavillion to the brutalist 60's housing blocks. Move with the time - this is a fitting building that fits well into its surroundings. I've every hope SBC will approve it. mys842

1:45pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Broadwaywatch says...

r6keith wrote:
STOP PRESS : Badgers fight council in court over compulsory demolition order of desirable sea view residence !
Claims for anything you can think and did not realize you could make claim. Have offered their services on a no win no fee basis.
A spokesman for the badgers said , this is not as black and white as it looks there are some grey areas to be considered. Because of our illegal squating we feel we are being victimised . Recently standards in the area have really dropped, only the other day someone was playing bonjos at 4.00 in the morning! Is this a council undercover ploy to reduce the value of our sett ?
Now this is not only a funny coment but very clever...well done....made me laugh.
[quote][p][bold]r6keith[/bold] wrote: STOP PRESS : Badgers fight council in court over compulsory demolition order of desirable sea view residence ! Claims for anything you can think and did not realize you could make claim. Have offered their services on a no win no fee basis. A spokesman for the badgers said , this is not as black and white as it looks there are some grey areas to be considered. Because of our illegal squating we feel we are being victimised . Recently standards in the area have really dropped, only the other day someone was playing bonjos at 4.00 in the morning! Is this a council undercover ploy to reduce the value of our sett ?[/p][/quote]Now this is not only a funny coment but very clever...well done....made me laugh. Broadwaywatch

1:52pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Lefty Cyclist Type says...

mys842 wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
mys842 wrote: This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?
Impressive as a business centre maybe but not as a distinguished museum. It completely ignores one of the most important tenets of good design, namely context, which seems to be completely absent here.
In your opinion maybe, not in mine. Museums don't have to be old buildings; those built that we enjoy visiting were modern for their time when built. They certainly weren't built in the style of the artefacts they held. This is a bold and modern deisgn that is in-keeping with the new style established in that area for exampel the lift tower. There is an assortment of architecture, from the clifftown houses to the art-deco Cliff's Pavillion to the brutalist 60's housing blocks. Move with the time - this is a fitting building that fits well into its surroundings. I've every hope SBC will approve it.
You missed the pint. Although Southend Council are calling this building a museum, it will in fact be a business/conference centre and multi-storey carpark. With one room set aside as a 'museum'.
[quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?[/p][/quote]Impressive as a business centre maybe but not as a distinguished museum. It completely ignores one of the most important tenets of good design, namely context, which seems to be completely absent here.[/p][/quote]In your opinion maybe, not in mine. Museums don't have to be old buildings; those built that we enjoy visiting were modern for their time when built. They certainly weren't built in the style of the artefacts they held. This is a bold and modern deisgn that is in-keeping with the new style established in that area for exampel the lift tower. There is an assortment of architecture, from the clifftown houses to the art-deco Cliff's Pavillion to the brutalist 60's housing blocks. Move with the time - this is a fitting building that fits well into its surroundings. I've every hope SBC will approve it.[/p][/quote]You missed the pint. Although Southend Council are calling this building a museum, it will in fact be a business/conference centre and multi-storey carpark. With one room set aside as a 'museum'. Lefty Cyclist Type

1:59pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

mys842 wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
mys842 wrote: This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?
Impressive as a business centre maybe but not as a distinguished museum. It completely ignores one of the most important tenets of good design, namely context, which seems to be completely absent here.
In your opinion maybe, not in mine. Museums don't have to be old buildings; those built that we enjoy visiting were modern for their time when built. They certainly weren't built in the style of the artefacts they held. This is a bold and modern deisgn that is in-keeping with the new style established in that area for exampel the lift tower. There is an assortment of architecture, from the clifftown houses to the art-deco Cliff's Pavillion to the brutalist 60's housing blocks. Move with the time - this is a fitting building that fits well into its surroundings. I've every hope SBC will approve it.
The difference sweetie is that my opinion is a the opinion of a design professional so I can say with some authority that the chavvy-land business centre context is all wrong. Oh and I never said anything about the P of P needing an old building, nothing wrong with post-modern architecture but just because it's modern doesn't mean it's right and certainly doesn't make the context right.
.
JW you are an imbecile and a cultural philistine. You say it's NOT all about the P of P? Of course it's all about the P of P, the most fantastic find we've ever had in Southend.
[quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?[/p][/quote]Impressive as a business centre maybe but not as a distinguished museum. It completely ignores one of the most important tenets of good design, namely context, which seems to be completely absent here.[/p][/quote]In your opinion maybe, not in mine. Museums don't have to be old buildings; those built that we enjoy visiting were modern for their time when built. They certainly weren't built in the style of the artefacts they held. This is a bold and modern deisgn that is in-keeping with the new style established in that area for exampel the lift tower. There is an assortment of architecture, from the clifftown houses to the art-deco Cliff's Pavillion to the brutalist 60's housing blocks. Move with the time - this is a fitting building that fits well into its surroundings. I've every hope SBC will approve it.[/p][/quote]The difference sweetie is that my opinion is a the opinion of a design professional so I can say with some authority that the chavvy-land business centre context is all wrong. Oh and I never said anything about the P of P needing an old building, nothing wrong with post-modern architecture but just because it's modern doesn't mean it's right and certainly doesn't make the context right. . JW you are an imbecile and a cultural philistine. You say it's NOT all about the P of P? Of course it's all about the P of P, the most fantastic find we've ever had in Southend. Truth Will Prevail

2:20pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Mslightfoot says...

mys842 wrote:
This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?
The Council are in talks with J K Rowling's people as we speak, they're going to turn the pier train into the Hogwart's Express and the Cliff Lift into the Nightbus. Problem solved.
[quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?[/p][/quote]The Council are in talks with J K Rowling's people as we speak, they're going to turn the pier train into the Hogwart's Express and the Cliff Lift into the Nightbus. Problem solved. Mslightfoot

2:59pm Tue 17 Jul 12

mys842 says...

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:
mys842 wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
mys842 wrote: This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?
Impressive as a business centre maybe but not as a distinguished museum. It completely ignores one of the most important tenets of good design, namely context, which seems to be completely absent here.
In your opinion maybe, not in mine. Museums don't have to be old buildings; those built that we enjoy visiting were modern for their time when built. They certainly weren't built in the style of the artefacts they held. This is a bold and modern deisgn that is in-keeping with the new style established in that area for exampel the lift tower. There is an assortment of architecture, from the clifftown houses to the art-deco Cliff's Pavillion to the brutalist 60's housing blocks. Move with the time - this is a fitting building that fits well into its surroundings. I've every hope SBC will approve it.
You missed the pint. Although Southend Council are calling this building a museum, it will in fact be a business/conference centre and multi-storey carpark. With one room set aside as a 'museum'.
So the building will serve more than one purpose. I'd say this improves its appeal, rather than detracts.
[quote][p][bold]Lefty Cyclist Type[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?[/p][/quote]Impressive as a business centre maybe but not as a distinguished museum. It completely ignores one of the most important tenets of good design, namely context, which seems to be completely absent here.[/p][/quote]In your opinion maybe, not in mine. Museums don't have to be old buildings; those built that we enjoy visiting were modern for their time when built. They certainly weren't built in the style of the artefacts they held. This is a bold and modern deisgn that is in-keeping with the new style established in that area for exampel the lift tower. There is an assortment of architecture, from the clifftown houses to the art-deco Cliff's Pavillion to the brutalist 60's housing blocks. Move with the time - this is a fitting building that fits well into its surroundings. I've every hope SBC will approve it.[/p][/quote]You missed the pint. Although Southend Council are calling this building a museum, it will in fact be a business/conference centre and multi-storey carpark. With one room set aside as a 'museum'.[/p][/quote]So the building will serve more than one purpose. I'd say this improves its appeal, rather than detracts. mys842

3:06pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

mys842 wrote:
Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:
mys842 wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
mys842 wrote: This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?
Impressive as a business centre maybe but not as a distinguished museum. It completely ignores one of the most important tenets of good design, namely context, which seems to be completely absent here.
In your opinion maybe, not in mine. Museums don't have to be old buildings; those built that we enjoy visiting were modern for their time when built. They certainly weren't built in the style of the artefacts they held. This is a bold and modern deisgn that is in-keeping with the new style established in that area for exampel the lift tower. There is an assortment of architecture, from the clifftown houses to the art-deco Cliff's Pavillion to the brutalist 60's housing blocks. Move with the time - this is a fitting building that fits well into its surroundings. I've every hope SBC will approve it.
You missed the pint. Although Southend Council are calling this building a museum, it will in fact be a business/conference centre and multi-storey carpark. With one room set aside as a 'museum'.
So the building will serve more than one purpose. I'd say this improves its appeal, rather than detracts.
Then you are simple minded, or a biased businessman.
[quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lefty Cyclist Type[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?[/p][/quote]Impressive as a business centre maybe but not as a distinguished museum. It completely ignores one of the most important tenets of good design, namely context, which seems to be completely absent here.[/p][/quote]In your opinion maybe, not in mine. Museums don't have to be old buildings; those built that we enjoy visiting were modern for their time when built. They certainly weren't built in the style of the artefacts they held. This is a bold and modern deisgn that is in-keeping with the new style established in that area for exampel the lift tower. There is an assortment of architecture, from the clifftown houses to the art-deco Cliff's Pavillion to the brutalist 60's housing blocks. Move with the time - this is a fitting building that fits well into its surroundings. I've every hope SBC will approve it.[/p][/quote]You missed the pint. Although Southend Council are calling this building a museum, it will in fact be a business/conference centre and multi-storey carpark. With one room set aside as a 'museum'.[/p][/quote]So the building will serve more than one purpose. I'd say this improves its appeal, rather than detracts.[/p][/quote]Then you are simple minded, or a biased businessman. Truth Will Prevail

3:17pm Tue 17 Jul 12

mys842 says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
mys842 wrote:
Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:
mys842 wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
mys842 wrote: This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?
Impressive as a business centre maybe but not as a distinguished museum. It completely ignores one of the most important tenets of good design, namely context, which seems to be completely absent here.
In your opinion maybe, not in mine. Museums don't have to be old buildings; those built that we enjoy visiting were modern for their time when built. They certainly weren't built in the style of the artefacts they held. This is a bold and modern deisgn that is in-keeping with the new style established in that area for exampel the lift tower. There is an assortment of architecture, from the clifftown houses to the art-deco Cliff's Pavillion to the brutalist 60's housing blocks. Move with the time - this is a fitting building that fits well into its surroundings. I've every hope SBC will approve it.
You missed the pint. Although Southend Council are calling this building a museum, it will in fact be a business/conference centre and multi-storey carpark. With one room set aside as a 'museum'.
So the building will serve more than one purpose. I'd say this improves its appeal, rather than detracts.
Then you are simple minded, or a biased businessman.
Wrong on both counts Truth!
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lefty Cyclist Type[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?[/p][/quote]Impressive as a business centre maybe but not as a distinguished museum. It completely ignores one of the most important tenets of good design, namely context, which seems to be completely absent here.[/p][/quote]In your opinion maybe, not in mine. Museums don't have to be old buildings; those built that we enjoy visiting were modern for their time when built. They certainly weren't built in the style of the artefacts they held. This is a bold and modern deisgn that is in-keeping with the new style established in that area for exampel the lift tower. There is an assortment of architecture, from the clifftown houses to the art-deco Cliff's Pavillion to the brutalist 60's housing blocks. Move with the time - this is a fitting building that fits well into its surroundings. I've every hope SBC will approve it.[/p][/quote]You missed the pint. Although Southend Council are calling this building a museum, it will in fact be a business/conference centre and multi-storey carpark. With one room set aside as a 'museum'.[/p][/quote]So the building will serve more than one purpose. I'd say this improves its appeal, rather than detracts.[/p][/quote]Then you are simple minded, or a biased businessman.[/p][/quote]Wrong on both counts Truth! mys842

3:52pm Tue 17 Jul 12

j-w says...

Truth, are you that plonker from hadleigh? always right and banging on about being a graduate from the london engineering school or something.
Truth, are you that plonker from hadleigh? always right and banging on about being a graduate from the london engineering school or something. j-w

4:40pm Tue 17 Jul 12

jolllyboy says...

Yippee, camp there forever Badgers.
Yippee, camp there forever Badgers. jolllyboy

4:48pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

JW are you that opinionated cultural philistine who resorts to personal attacks when he knows he is losing the argument? Btw "opinionated cultural philistine" is not a personal attack, it is a simple statement of fact.
JW are you that opinionated cultural philistine who resorts to personal attacks when he knows he is losing the argument? Btw "opinionated cultural philistine" is not a personal attack, it is a simple statement of fact. Truth Will Prevail

4:51pm Tue 17 Jul 12

j-w says...

JW you are an imbecile and a cultural philistine. You say it's NOT all about the P of P? Of course it's all about the P of P, the most fantastic find we've ever had in Southend.


Sorry what was that you were saying?
[quote]JW you are an imbecile and a cultural philistine. You say it's NOT all about the P of P? Of course it's all about the P of P, the most fantastic find we've ever had in Southend.[/quote] Sorry what was that you were saying? j-w

5:01pm Tue 17 Jul 12

j-w says...

I really hope this gets the go ahead, Southend is being dragged into the 21st century. We have a thriving airport, certain areas and road improvements have been really successful and a new library on the way too. If only they could just sort out Victoria Avenue.
I really hope this gets the go ahead, Southend is being dragged into the 21st century. We have a thriving airport, certain areas and road improvements have been really successful and a new library on the way too. If only they could just sort out Victoria Avenue. j-w

5:10pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

JW you are an imbecile and a cultural philistine. You say it's NOT all about the P of P? Of course it's all about the P of P, the most fantastic find we've ever had in Southend, not that you will comprehend that simple fact.
JW you are an imbecile and a cultural philistine. You say it's NOT all about the P of P? Of course it's all about the P of P, the most fantastic find we've ever had in Southend, not that you will comprehend that simple fact. Truth Will Prevail

5:11pm Tue 17 Jul 12

mys842 says...

j-w wrote:
I really hope this gets the go ahead, Southend is being dragged into the 21st century. We have a thriving airport, certain areas and road improvements have been really successful and a new library on the way too. If only they could just sort out Victoria Avenue.
Totally agree. Victoria Avenue needs sorting but it certainly feels like a town on the up.
[quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: I really hope this gets the go ahead, Southend is being dragged into the 21st century. We have a thriving airport, certain areas and road improvements have been really successful and a new library on the way too. If only they could just sort out Victoria Avenue.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. Victoria Avenue needs sorting but it certainly feels like a town on the up. mys842

5:25pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Lefty Cyclist Type says...

mys842 wrote:
Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:
mys842 wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
mys842 wrote: This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?
Impressive as a business centre maybe but not as a distinguished museum. It completely ignores one of the most important tenets of good design, namely context, which seems to be completely absent here.
In your opinion maybe, not in mine. Museums don't have to be old buildings; those built that we enjoy visiting were modern for their time when built. They certainly weren't built in the style of the artefacts they held. This is a bold and modern deisgn that is in-keeping with the new style established in that area for exampel the lift tower. There is an assortment of architecture, from the clifftown houses to the art-deco Cliff's Pavillion to the brutalist 60's housing blocks. Move with the time - this is a fitting building that fits well into its surroundings. I've every hope SBC will approve it.
You missed the pint. Although Southend Council are calling this building a museum, it will in fact be a business/conference centre and multi-storey carpark. With one room set aside as a 'museum'.
So the building will serve more than one purpose. I'd say this improves its appeal, rather than detracts.
True it will serve more than one purpose. The main thing the council wants it to do is to set a precedent for building on the Cliff gardens all the way from the Pier to Shorefield Road.
[quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lefty Cyclist Type[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: This scheme looks fantastic, and finally a very impressive piece of archietcture too. What about transport though? I'd like to see some kind of light trasnport service along the seafront, from Leigh to Shoebury. How about a guided bus or tramway?[/p][/quote]Impressive as a business centre maybe but not as a distinguished museum. It completely ignores one of the most important tenets of good design, namely context, which seems to be completely absent here.[/p][/quote]In your opinion maybe, not in mine. Museums don't have to be old buildings; those built that we enjoy visiting were modern for their time when built. They certainly weren't built in the style of the artefacts they held. This is a bold and modern deisgn that is in-keeping with the new style established in that area for exampel the lift tower. There is an assortment of architecture, from the clifftown houses to the art-deco Cliff's Pavillion to the brutalist 60's housing blocks. Move with the time - this is a fitting building that fits well into its surroundings. I've every hope SBC will approve it.[/p][/quote]You missed the pint. Although Southend Council are calling this building a museum, it will in fact be a business/conference centre and multi-storey carpark. With one room set aside as a 'museum'.[/p][/quote]So the building will serve more than one purpose. I'd say this improves its appeal, rather than detracts.[/p][/quote]True it will serve more than one purpose. The main thing the council wants it to do is to set a precedent for building on the Cliff gardens all the way from the Pier to Shorefield Road. Lefty Cyclist Type

5:27pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Lefty Cyclist Type says...

j-w wrote:
I really hope this gets the go ahead, Southend is being dragged into the 21st century. We have a thriving airport, certain areas and road improvements have been really successful and a new library on the way too. If only they could just sort out Victoria Avenue.
Yes, I quite agree. All those parks and open green spaces that clutter up Southend are sooo last century, Daaahlink.

They'd be much better as car parks, or office blocks.
[quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: I really hope this gets the go ahead, Southend is being dragged into the 21st century. We have a thriving airport, certain areas and road improvements have been really successful and a new library on the way too. If only they could just sort out Victoria Avenue.[/p][/quote]Yes, I quite agree. All those parks and open green spaces that clutter up Southend are sooo last century, Daaahlink. They'd be much better as car parks, or office blocks. Lefty Cyclist Type

6:03pm Tue 17 Jul 12

mys842 says...

Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:
j-w wrote:
I really hope this gets the go ahead, Southend is being dragged into the 21st century. We have a thriving airport, certain areas and road improvements have been really successful and a new library on the way too. If only they could just sort out Victoria Avenue.
Yes, I quite agree. All those parks and open green spaces that clutter up Southend are sooo last century, Daaahlink.

They'd be much better as car parks, or office blocks.
We're talking about a cliff that no one has been able to use for years due to slippage. The scheme doesn't stop the space being used as open space so is therefore additive. Southend is in desperate need of well designed office buildings and an injection of culture.
[quote][p][bold]Lefty Cyclist Type[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: I really hope this gets the go ahead, Southend is being dragged into the 21st century. We have a thriving airport, certain areas and road improvements have been really successful and a new library on the way too. If only they could just sort out Victoria Avenue.[/p][/quote]Yes, I quite agree. All those parks and open green spaces that clutter up Southend are sooo last century, Daaahlink. They'd be much better as car parks, or office blocks.[/p][/quote]We're talking about a cliff that no one has been able to use for years due to slippage. The scheme doesn't stop the space being used as open space so is therefore additive. Southend is in desperate need of well designed office buildings and an injection of culture. mys842

6:24pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Broadwaywatch says...

mys842 wrote:
Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:
j-w wrote:
I really hope this gets the go ahead, Southend is being dragged into the 21st century. We have a thriving airport, certain areas and road improvements have been really successful and a new library on the way too. If only they could just sort out Victoria Avenue.
Yes, I quite agree. All those parks and open green spaces that clutter up Southend are sooo last century, Daaahlink.

They'd be much better as car parks, or office blocks.
We're talking about a cliff that no one has been able to use for years due to slippage. The scheme doesn't stop the space being used as open space so is therefore additive. Southend is in desperate need of well designed office buildings and an injection of culture.
And who was responsible for the slippage???
[quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lefty Cyclist Type[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: I really hope this gets the go ahead, Southend is being dragged into the 21st century. We have a thriving airport, certain areas and road improvements have been really successful and a new library on the way too. If only they could just sort out Victoria Avenue.[/p][/quote]Yes, I quite agree. All those parks and open green spaces that clutter up Southend are sooo last century, Daaahlink. They'd be much better as car parks, or office blocks.[/p][/quote]We're talking about a cliff that no one has been able to use for years due to slippage. The scheme doesn't stop the space being used as open space so is therefore additive. Southend is in desperate need of well designed office buildings and an injection of culture.[/p][/quote]And who was responsible for the slippage??? Broadwaywatch

8:05pm Tue 17 Jul 12

mys842 says...

Broadwaywatch wrote:
mys842 wrote:
Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:
j-w wrote:
I really hope this gets the go ahead, Southend is being dragged into the 21st century. We have a thriving airport, certain areas and road improvements have been really successful and a new library on the way too. If only they could just sort out Victoria Avenue.
Yes, I quite agree. All those parks and open green spaces that clutter up Southend are sooo last century, Daaahlink.

They'd be much better as car parks, or office blocks.
We're talking about a cliff that no one has been able to use for years due to slippage. The scheme doesn't stop the space being used as open space so is therefore additive. Southend is in desperate need of well designed office buildings and an injection of culture.
And who was responsible for the slippage???
Who cares...???
[quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lefty Cyclist Type[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: I really hope this gets the go ahead, Southend is being dragged into the 21st century. We have a thriving airport, certain areas and road improvements have been really successful and a new library on the way too. If only they could just sort out Victoria Avenue.[/p][/quote]Yes, I quite agree. All those parks and open green spaces that clutter up Southend are sooo last century, Daaahlink. They'd be much better as car parks, or office blocks.[/p][/quote]We're talking about a cliff that no one has been able to use for years due to slippage. The scheme doesn't stop the space being used as open space so is therefore additive. Southend is in desperate need of well designed office buildings and an injection of culture.[/p][/quote]And who was responsible for the slippage???[/p][/quote]Who cares...??? mys842

8:15pm Tue 17 Jul 12

j-w says...

God I think, or just good old mother nature.

http://www.essexfiel
dclub.org.uk/portal/
p/Geology+Site+Accou
nt/s/Southend+cliffs
God I think, or just good old mother nature. http://www.essexfiel dclub.org.uk/portal/ p/Geology+Site+Accou nt/s/Southend+cliffs j-w

9:00pm Tue 17 Jul 12

siddymint says...

What a surprise.
Councillor Aylen pointed out this fact about the badgers 4 years ago at an enviorment and economic meeting that echo reported, he also stated that we have a cliff slip and inner city nature reserve were other sea side towns have not. He was told don't be silly there can't be badgers there.
What a surprise. Councillor Aylen pointed out this fact about the badgers 4 years ago at an enviorment and economic meeting that echo reported, he also stated that we have a cliff slip and inner city nature reserve were other sea side towns have not. He was told don't be silly there can't be badgers there. siddymint

9:04pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

j-w wrote:
God I think, or just good old mother nature. http://www.essexfiel dclub.org.uk/portal/ p/Geology+Site+Accou nt/s/Southend+cliffs
The great fantasy fairy in the sky isn't responsible for anything because he doesn't exist. Try geology.
[quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: God I think, or just good old mother nature. http://www.essexfiel dclub.org.uk/portal/ p/Geology+Site+Accou nt/s/Southend+cliffs[/p][/quote]The great fantasy fairy in the sky isn't responsible for anything because he doesn't exist. Try geology. Truth Will Prevail

9:49pm Tue 17 Jul 12

asbo uncut says...

j-w wrote:
Truth, are you that plonker from hadleigh? always right and banging on about being a graduate from the london engineering school or something.
he's known as "untruth", "ain't it flush the truth", "the hadleigh stoner" or "the hadleigh keyboard of drivel" don't you know
[quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: Truth, are you that plonker from hadleigh? always right and banging on about being a graduate from the london engineering school or something.[/p][/quote]he's known as "untruth", "ain't it flush the truth", "the hadleigh stoner" or "the hadleigh keyboard of drivel" don't you know asbo uncut

9:52pm Tue 17 Jul 12

asbo uncut says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
j-w wrote:
God I think, or just good old mother nature. http://www.essexfiel dclub.org.uk/portal/ p/Geology+Site+Accou nt/s/Southend+cliffs
The great fantasy fairy in the sky isn't responsible for anything because he doesn't exist. Try geology.
the poor, unfortunate worms that have to eat your sorry drug addled body
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: God I think, or just good old mother nature. http://www.essexfiel dclub.org.uk/portal/ p/Geology+Site+Accou nt/s/Southend+cliffs[/p][/quote]The great fantasy fairy in the sky isn't responsible for anything because he doesn't exist. Try geology.[/p][/quote]the poor, unfortunate worms that have to eat your sorry drug addled body asbo uncut

11:11pm Tue 17 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

asbo uncut wrote:
Truth Will Prevail wrote:
j-w wrote: God I think, or just good old mother nature. http://www.essexfiel dclub.org.uk/portal/ p/Geology+Site+Accou nt/s/Southend+cliffs
The great fantasy fairy in the sky isn't responsible for anything because he doesn't exist. Try geology.
the poor, unfortunate worms that have to eat your sorry drug addled body
I've had enough of you Asbo, I'm going to report you as you go to far, I'm a respectable retired professional for **** sake.
.
Why are you so bitter and twisted Asbo? Does no-one like you? Can't say I'm surprised, I've never seen you contribute a single post that wasn't full of insults and unjustifiable abuse, except to the other Echo troll, ET. Go away you sad little man.
[quote][p][bold]asbo uncut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: God I think, or just good old mother nature. http://www.essexfiel dclub.org.uk/portal/ p/Geology+Site+Accou nt/s/Southend+cliffs[/p][/quote]The great fantasy fairy in the sky isn't responsible for anything because he doesn't exist. Try geology.[/p][/quote]the poor, unfortunate worms that have to eat your sorry drug addled body[/p][/quote]I've had enough of you Asbo, I'm going to report you as you go to far, I'm a respectable retired professional for **** sake. . Why are you so bitter and twisted Asbo? Does no-one like you? Can't say I'm surprised, I've never seen you contribute a single post that wasn't full of insults and unjustifiable abuse, except to the other Echo troll, ET. Go away you sad little man. Truth Will Prevail

8:07am Wed 18 Jul 12

asbo uncut says...

you openly espouse the use of drugs on this forum and you single handedly dish out more abuse to one individual than all other posters do on this website.
you openly espouse the use of drugs on this forum and you single handedly dish out more abuse to one individual than all other posters do on this website. asbo uncut

8:17am Wed 18 Jul 12

asbo uncut says...

class b, not tea to avoid confusion. my body is addled through the use of tea.
class b, not tea to avoid confusion. my body is addled through the use of tea. asbo uncut

8:21am Wed 18 Jul 12

asbo uncut says...

you also shove your atheist views down peoples throats so when you die that's it..you're worm food - nothing more. i just put 2 and 2 together.
you also shove your atheist views down peoples throats so when you die that's it..you're worm food - nothing more. i just put 2 and 2 together. asbo uncut

12:11pm Wed 18 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

Asbo you are an imbecile (and thats a fact not abuse), when have I ever "openly espouse(d) the use of drugs"? Go on, give the quote where I say anything like that? I just happen to think that it's time we decriminalised cannabis as the law simply doesn't work. How is that "openly espouse(ing) the use of drugs"? According to the latest National Social Attitudes Survey over half the people in this country think the same so I'm far from alone. Trouble is that you can't tell the difference between assumption and fact, you attack anyone who says they agree with decriminalisation and accuse them of being drug dealers and addicts and you do it in the most insulting way! Keep it up and I will report you.
As for "shoving my atheist views down peoples throats", I don't know anyone with a brain who does believe in god so I'm not alone there either. In case you haven't noticed this is a newspaper comments section so I am perfectly entitled to leave comments and if you don't like it you are entitled to disagree. What you are NOT entitled to do is abuse and insult me if you do not agree, especially using the kind of language you do use. There is something seriously wrong with your brain Asbo, you are not normal and if you continue to abuse and insult I will report you to the Echo. You are a very silly and very sad little man.
Asbo you are an imbecile (and thats a fact not abuse), when have I ever "openly espouse(d) the use of drugs"? Go on, give the quote where I say anything like that? I just happen to think that it's time we decriminalised cannabis as the law simply doesn't work. How is that "openly espouse(ing) the use of drugs"? According to the latest National Social Attitudes Survey over half the people in this country think the same so I'm far from alone. Trouble is that you can't tell the difference between assumption and fact, you attack anyone who says they agree with decriminalisation and accuse them of being drug dealers and addicts and you do it in the most insulting way! Keep it up and I will report you. As for "shoving my atheist views down peoples throats", I don't know anyone with a brain who does believe in god so I'm not alone there either. In case you haven't noticed this is a newspaper comments section so I am perfectly entitled to leave comments and if you don't like it you are entitled to disagree. What you are NOT entitled to do is abuse and insult me if you do not agree, especially using the kind of language you do use. There is something seriously wrong with your brain Asbo, you are not normal and if you continue to abuse and insult I will report you to the Echo. You are a very silly and very sad little man. Truth Will Prevail

12:37pm Wed 18 Jul 12

APR says...

I wonder what else they can fin there ? Bats maybe, they are always a good one.
As a last resort, the Great Crested newt is a good fall back ploy.
I wonder what else they can fin there ? Bats maybe, they are always a good one. As a last resort, the Great Crested newt is a good fall back ploy. APR

12:54pm Wed 18 Jul 12

j-w says...

Or the lesser spotted TVP, A small, highly intelligent but very angry creature that lives on a diet of pot and bibles. Only appears for small periods if something piques its interest, but because it is very aggressive and vociferous most other creatures avoid it.
Or the lesser spotted TVP, A small, highly intelligent but very angry creature that lives on a diet of pot and bibles. Only appears for small periods if something piques its interest, but because it is very aggressive and vociferous most other creatures avoid it. j-w

1:12pm Wed 18 Jul 12

Max Impact says...

Wonder if they are Honey Badgers.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=G8OXpWtFG
HQ
Wonder if they are Honey Badgers. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=G8OXpWtFG HQ Max Impact

1:41pm Wed 18 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

j-w wrote:
Or the lesser spotted TVP, A small, highly intelligent but very angry creature that lives on a diet of pot and bibles. Only appears for small periods if something piques its interest, but because it is very aggressive and vociferous most other creatures avoid it.
Hello the trolls are all coming out to play today. Try sticking to the subject matter little man. Mind you, you are correct in one respect, I only comment on subjects I know something about and my arguments are always based on fact and they are always justifiable arguments, which is more than can be said for you trolls who always resort to personal abuse if you don't agree with someone elses opinion.
[quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: Or the lesser spotted TVP, A small, highly intelligent but very angry creature that lives on a diet of pot and bibles. Only appears for small periods if something piques its interest, but because it is very aggressive and vociferous most other creatures avoid it.[/p][/quote]Hello the trolls are all coming out to play today. Try sticking to the subject matter little man. Mind you, you are correct in one respect, I only comment on subjects I know something about and my arguments are always based on fact and they are always justifiable arguments, which is more than can be said for you trolls who always resort to personal abuse if you don't agree with someone elses opinion. Truth Will Prevail

1:45pm Wed 18 Jul 12

j-w says...

Well I hope these badgers get moved and this great addition to Southend gets built whilst yet again the same old people are left venting.
Well I hope these badgers get moved and this great addition to Southend gets built whilst yet again the same old people are left venting. j-w

3:16pm Wed 18 Jul 12

Broadwaywatch says...

mys842 wrote:
Broadwaywatch wrote:
mys842 wrote:
Lefty Cyclist Type wrote:
j-w wrote:
I really hope this gets the go ahead, Southend is being dragged into the 21st century. We have a thriving airport, certain areas and road improvements have been really successful and a new library on the way too. If only they could just sort out Victoria Avenue.
Yes, I quite agree. All those parks and open green spaces that clutter up Southend are sooo last century, Daaahlink.

They'd be much better as car parks, or office blocks.
We're talking about a cliff that no one has been able to use for years due to slippage. The scheme doesn't stop the space being used as open space so is therefore additive. Southend is in desperate need of well designed office buildings and an injection of culture.
And who was responsible for the slippage???
Who cares...???
It is said in some quarters that the cliff slip at that certain point was due not just to the underground springs which are said to dot the cliffs but to bad management of the plant life combind with bad observation skills.
But for what ever reason, what ever the truth may be; what if the cliffs had not slipped, where then would a new museum, conference centre, restaurant etc have be located?
I believe it to be a question worth asking.
[quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mys842[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lefty Cyclist Type[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: I really hope this gets the go ahead, Southend is being dragged into the 21st century. We have a thriving airport, certain areas and road improvements have been really successful and a new library on the way too. If only they could just sort out Victoria Avenue.[/p][/quote]Yes, I quite agree. All those parks and open green spaces that clutter up Southend are sooo last century, Daaahlink. They'd be much better as car parks, or office blocks.[/p][/quote]We're talking about a cliff that no one has been able to use for years due to slippage. The scheme doesn't stop the space being used as open space so is therefore additive. Southend is in desperate need of well designed office buildings and an injection of culture.[/p][/quote]And who was responsible for the slippage???[/p][/quote]Who cares...???[/p][/quote]It is said in some quarters that the cliff slip at that certain point was due not just to the underground springs which are said to dot the cliffs but to bad management of the plant life combind with bad observation skills. But for what ever reason, what ever the truth may be; what if the cliffs had not slipped, where then would a new museum, conference centre, restaurant etc have be located? I believe it to be a question worth asking. Broadwaywatch

3:39pm Wed 18 Jul 12

j-w says...

Nowhere. The only reason this idea came about is because it is council land and they needed to spend a lot of money fixing the cliff slip somehow so two birds with one stone etc. (actually could be three birds because they want to use the spoil to build a better sea defence at shoebury)
Nowhere. The only reason this idea came about is because it is council land and they needed to spend a lot of money fixing the cliff slip somehow so two birds with one stone etc. (actually could be three birds because they want to use the spoil to build a better sea defence at shoebury) j-w

3:41pm Wed 18 Jul 12

j-w says...

Breaking news!

The plans have been passed by 15 votes to nil with one abstention.
Breaking news! The plans have been passed by 15 votes to nil with one abstention. j-w

3:54pm Wed 18 Jul 12

Max Impact says...

That is good news, now the real fight to get the funing starts, hope they run a public subscription, anyone who donates has their name on a small brass plate at the entrance. A lasting legacy to those that helped bring a dream alive in Southend.
That is good news, now the real fight to get the funing starts, hope they run a public subscription, anyone who donates has their name on a small brass plate at the entrance. A lasting legacy to those that helped bring a dream alive in Southend. Max Impact

3:58pm Wed 18 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

j-w wrote:
Nowhere. The only reason this idea came about is because it is council land and they needed to spend a lot of money fixing the cliff slip somehow so two birds with one stone etc. (actually could be three birds because they want to use the spoil to build a better sea defence at shoebury)
Rubbish! The only reason this completely unsuitable proposal arose is because our esteemed Councillors saw an opportunity to make money and they think putting the P of P on the seafront will get them the most cash, never mind whether it is apropriate to house the P of P in a business centre in chavvy land. And just because the latest vote has been passed doesn't mean it will happen, still a long way to go thank goodness.
[quote][p][bold]j-w[/bold] wrote: Nowhere. The only reason this idea came about is because it is council land and they needed to spend a lot of money fixing the cliff slip somehow so two birds with one stone etc. (actually could be three birds because they want to use the spoil to build a better sea defence at shoebury)[/p][/quote]Rubbish! The only reason this completely unsuitable proposal arose is because our esteemed Councillors saw an opportunity to make money and they think putting the P of P on the seafront will get them the most cash, never mind whether it is apropriate to house the P of P in a business centre in chavvy land. And just because the latest vote has been passed doesn't mean it will happen, still a long way to go thank goodness. Truth Will Prevail

4:06pm Wed 18 Jul 12

j-w says...

Really pleased this has been approved. Should be a great addition to Southend Seafront.
Really pleased this has been approved. Should be a great addition to Southend Seafront. j-w

4:15pm Wed 18 Jul 12

asbo uncut says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Asbo you are an imbecile (and thats a fact not abuse), when have I ever "openly espouse(d) the use of drugs"? Go on, give the quote where I say anything like that? I just happen to think that it's time we decriminalised cannabis as the law simply doesn't work. How is that "openly espouse(ing) the use of drugs"? According to the latest National Social Attitudes Survey over half the people in this country think the same so I'm far from alone. Trouble is that you can't tell the difference between assumption and fact, you attack anyone who says they agree with decriminalisation and accuse them of being drug dealers and addicts and you do it in the most insulting way! Keep it up and I will report you.
As for "shoving my atheist views down peoples throats", I don't know anyone with a brain who does believe in god so I'm not alone there either. In case you haven't noticed this is a newspaper comments section so I am perfectly entitled to leave comments and if you don't like it you are entitled to disagree. What you are NOT entitled to do is abuse and insult me if you do not agree, especially using the kind of language you do use. There is something seriously wrong with your brain Asbo, you are not normal and if you continue to abuse and insult I will report you to the Echo. You are a very silly and very sad little man.
lol your posts are pure fallacious comedy. have you ever thought of doing standup? just how do you manage to get so much pomposity into a single paragraph? HKOD OD.
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: Asbo you are an imbecile (and thats a fact not abuse), when have I ever "openly espouse(d) the use of drugs"? Go on, give the quote where I say anything like that? I just happen to think that it's time we decriminalised cannabis as the law simply doesn't work. How is that "openly espouse(ing) the use of drugs"? According to the latest National Social Attitudes Survey over half the people in this country think the same so I'm far from alone. Trouble is that you can't tell the difference between assumption and fact, you attack anyone who says they agree with decriminalisation and accuse them of being drug dealers and addicts and you do it in the most insulting way! Keep it up and I will report you. As for "shoving my atheist views down peoples throats", I don't know anyone with a brain who does believe in god so I'm not alone there either. In case you haven't noticed this is a newspaper comments section so I am perfectly entitled to leave comments and if you don't like it you are entitled to disagree. What you are NOT entitled to do is abuse and insult me if you do not agree, especially using the kind of language you do use. There is something seriously wrong with your brain Asbo, you are not normal and if you continue to abuse and insult I will report you to the Echo. You are a very silly and very sad little man.[/p][/quote]lol your posts are pure fallacious comedy. have you ever thought of doing standup? just how do you manage to get so much pomposity into a single paragraph? HKOD OD. asbo uncut

4:18pm Wed 18 Jul 12

R85 says...

Cool things badgers! Why is it I’ve spent many teenage years riding tens of thousands of miles through forests and all I’ve ever seen is rabbits, squirrels, hedgehogs and foxes! I’ve seen 1 badger in my life and it was on a road (alive btw) in Brentwood! Wish there were more, most of our wildlife’s pretty boring in the UK!
Cool things badgers! Why is it I’ve spent many teenage years riding tens of thousands of miles through forests and all I’ve ever seen is rabbits, squirrels, hedgehogs and foxes! I’ve seen 1 badger in my life and it was on a road (alive btw) in Brentwood! Wish there were more, most of our wildlife’s pretty boring in the UK! R85

4:23pm Wed 18 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

I only ever speak the truth Asbo, I'm not like you, I don't abuse anyone who is better educated than me or anyone who has done better than me in life. That's all you ever do Asbo, never seen anyhting constructive or justifiable on any of your postings. Do your worst you nasty little troll, I'm off to prep my little boat for a big one, ha ha!
I only ever speak the truth Asbo, I'm not like you, I don't abuse anyone who is better educated than me or anyone who has done better than me in life. That's all you ever do Asbo, never seen anyhting constructive or justifiable on any of your postings. Do your worst you nasty little troll, I'm off to prep my little boat for a big one, ha ha! Truth Will Prevail

4:40pm Wed 18 Jul 12

asbo uncut says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
I only ever speak the truth Asbo, I'm not like you, I don't abuse anyone who is better educated than me or anyone who has done better than me in life. That's all you ever do Asbo, never seen anyhting constructive or justifiable on any of your postings. Do your worst you nasty little troll, I'm off to prep my little boat for a big one, ha ha!
lol. you're already on the record lying twice on these blogs. i produced the links on that story last week. i could produce many more....
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: I only ever speak the truth Asbo, I'm not like you, I don't abuse anyone who is better educated than me or anyone who has done better than me in life. That's all you ever do Asbo, never seen anyhting constructive or justifiable on any of your postings. Do your worst you nasty little troll, I'm off to prep my little boat for a big one, ha ha![/p][/quote]lol. you're already on the record lying twice on these blogs. i produced the links on that story last week. i could produce many more.... asbo uncut

6:55pm Wed 18 Jul 12

APR says...

R85 wrote:
Cool things badgers! Why is it I’ve spent many teenage years riding tens of thousands of miles through forests and all I’ve ever seen is rabbits, squirrels, hedgehogs and foxes! I’ve seen 1 badger in my life and it was on a road (alive btw) in Brentwood! Wish there were more, most of our wildlife’s pretty boring in the UK!
Large parts of Rayleigh,Thundersley and Benfleet are over run with badgers.
They are not an endangered species.

One of the green keepers at a Benfleet golf club, used to put poison down for them. As they were digging up parts of the course.
[quote][p][bold]R85[/bold] wrote: Cool things badgers! Why is it I’ve spent many teenage years riding tens of thousands of miles through forests and all I’ve ever seen is rabbits, squirrels, hedgehogs and foxes! I’ve seen 1 badger in my life and it was on a road (alive btw) in Brentwood! Wish there were more, most of our wildlife’s pretty boring in the UK![/p][/quote]Large parts of Rayleigh,Thundersley and Benfleet are over run with badgers. They are not an endangered species. One of the green keepers at a Benfleet golf club, used to put poison down for them. As they were digging up parts of the course. APR

7:40pm Wed 18 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

Asbo you are full of it. There are lots of very decent people posting on this website, some of them known to me personally but you aint one of them, you nasty little troll, you twist things around, you abuse and insult people and you have the kind of opinions we expect from a demented octagenarian. It is clear from your posts that you you spend your whole life on here too, how sad is that? Thank goodness you are in Shoebury so you are as far away as possible from the good people of Leigh, Hadleigh, Benfleet etc.
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R85 there are loads of badgers in Benfleet. Hadleigh, Rayleigh etc so you are looking in the wrong place. Btw you do know they are nocturnal don't you so you won't see them much during the day.
Asbo you are full of it. There are lots of very decent people posting on this website, some of them known to me personally but you aint one of them, you nasty little troll, you twist things around, you abuse and insult people and you have the kind of opinions we expect from a demented octagenarian. It is clear from your posts that you you spend your whole life on here too, how sad is that? Thank goodness you are in Shoebury so you are as far away as possible from the good people of Leigh, Hadleigh, Benfleet etc. . R85 there are loads of badgers in Benfleet. Hadleigh, Rayleigh etc so you are looking in the wrong place. Btw you do know they are nocturnal don't you so you won't see them much during the day. Truth Will Prevail

7:57pm Wed 18 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

Bte what are you talking about Asbo? I said I had never reported anyone, forgetting that I reported you once before for using the most vile obscene language I have ever seen on here (says a lot about you sir) but what's the other occasion or is that just another one of your fantasies, as I expect?
Bte what are you talking about Asbo? I said I had never reported anyone, forgetting that I reported you once before for using the most vile obscene language I have ever seen on here (says a lot about you sir) but what's the other occasion or is that just another one of your fantasies, as I expect? Truth Will Prevail

8:40pm Wed 18 Jul 12

mys842 says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Asbo you are full of it. There are lots of very decent people posting on this website, some of them known to me personally but you aint one of them, you nasty little troll, you twist things around, you abuse and insult people and you have the kind of opinions we expect from a demented octagenarian. It is clear from your posts that you you spend your whole life on here too, how sad is that? Thank goodness you are in Shoebury so you are as far away as possible from the good people of Leigh, Hadleigh, Benfleet etc.
.
R85 there are loads of badgers in Benfleet. Hadleigh, Rayleigh etc so you are looking in the wrong place. Btw you do know they are nocturnal don't you so you won't see them much during the day.
There are good people everywhere, many are in Shoebury. The people of Leigh, Hadleigh and Benfleet appear from posts on here to think they are above everyone else. There are people the other end of town in Thorpe bay and shoebury that are well educated and have nice houses, good jobs and families. They just choose to live in a less built up place, free of traffic, poncey boutique shops and people like you!. Hadleigh from what I've seen is run down with no transport in the middle of nowhere. Certainly know where I'd rather live!
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: Asbo you are full of it. There are lots of very decent people posting on this website, some of them known to me personally but you aint one of them, you nasty little troll, you twist things around, you abuse and insult people and you have the kind of opinions we expect from a demented octagenarian. It is clear from your posts that you you spend your whole life on here too, how sad is that? Thank goodness you are in Shoebury so you are as far away as possible from the good people of Leigh, Hadleigh, Benfleet etc. . R85 there are loads of badgers in Benfleet. Hadleigh, Rayleigh etc so you are looking in the wrong place. Btw you do know they are nocturnal don't you so you won't see them much during the day.[/p][/quote]There are good people everywhere, many are in Shoebury. The people of Leigh, Hadleigh and Benfleet appear from posts on here to think they are above everyone else. There are people the other end of town in Thorpe bay and shoebury that are well educated and have nice houses, good jobs and families. They just choose to live in a less built up place, free of traffic, poncey boutique shops and people like you!. Hadleigh from what I've seen is run down with no transport in the middle of nowhere. Certainly know where I'd rather live! mys842

8:53pm Wed 18 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

Ha ha! Southend is a dump and you know it. For your information Rayleigh, Benfleet, Thundersley, Hadleigh and Leigh all have FAR less crime than Southend, check out the Police crime website where they give details of all crime reported. Granted Thorpe Bay has some decent bits but it's an island in a sea of crud. I know where I'd rather live.
Ha ha! Southend is a dump and you know it. For your information Rayleigh, Benfleet, Thundersley, Hadleigh and Leigh all have FAR less crime than Southend, check out the Police crime website where they give details of all crime reported. Granted Thorpe Bay has some decent bits but it's an island in a sea of crud. I know where I'd rather live. Truth Will Prevail

9:01pm Wed 18 Jul 12

asbo uncut says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Asbo you are full of it. There are lots of very decent people posting on this website, some of them known to me personally but you aint one of them, you nasty little troll, you twist things around, you abuse and insult people and you have the kind of opinions we expect from a demented octagenarian. It is clear from your posts that you you spend your whole life on here too, how sad is that? Thank goodness you are in Shoebury so you are as far away as possible from the good people of Leigh, Hadleigh, Benfleet etc.
.
R85 there are loads of badgers in Benfleet. Hadleigh, Rayleigh etc so you are looking in the wrong place. Btw you do know they are nocturnal don't you so you won't see them much during the day.
only one of us is in denial about having nothing better to do. not just a river in egypt eh truthy
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: Asbo you are full of it. There are lots of very decent people posting on this website, some of them known to me personally but you aint one of them, you nasty little troll, you twist things around, you abuse and insult people and you have the kind of opinions we expect from a demented octagenarian. It is clear from your posts that you you spend your whole life on here too, how sad is that? Thank goodness you are in Shoebury so you are as far away as possible from the good people of Leigh, Hadleigh, Benfleet etc. . R85 there are loads of badgers in Benfleet. Hadleigh, Rayleigh etc so you are looking in the wrong place. Btw you do know they are nocturnal don't you so you won't see them much during the day.[/p][/quote]only one of us is in denial about having nothing better to do. not just a river in egypt eh truthy asbo uncut

9:16pm Wed 18 Jul 12

asbo uncut says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Ha ha! Southend is a dump and you know it. For your information Rayleigh, Benfleet, Thundersley, Hadleigh and Leigh all have FAR less crime than Southend, check out the Police crime website where they give details of all crime reported. Granted Thorpe Bay has some decent bits but it's an island in a sea of crud. I know where I'd rather live.
hadleigh, rayleigh and benfleet - home of the tasteless, rancho style, romanesque column, nouveau riche eh untruth. i could go on. you portray yourself as someone who understands aesthetics but live in hadleigh (rofl). good job you're in retirement - enough eyesores already. statistically town centres have higher crime rates - only a clueless muppet would be surprised by that eh untruth.
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: Ha ha! Southend is a dump and you know it. For your information Rayleigh, Benfleet, Thundersley, Hadleigh and Leigh all have FAR less crime than Southend, check out the Police crime website where they give details of all crime reported. Granted Thorpe Bay has some decent bits but it's an island in a sea of crud. I know where I'd rather live.[/p][/quote]hadleigh, rayleigh and benfleet - home of the tasteless, rancho style, romanesque column, nouveau riche eh untruth. i could go on. you portray yourself as someone who understands aesthetics but live in hadleigh (rofl). good job you're in retirement - enough eyesores already. statistically town centres have higher crime rates - only a clueless muppet would be surprised by that eh untruth. asbo uncut

9:23pm Wed 18 Jul 12

mys842 says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Ha ha! Southend is a dump and you know it. For your information Rayleigh, Benfleet, Thundersley, Hadleigh and Leigh all have FAR less crime than Southend, check out the Police crime website where they give details of all crime reported. Granted Thorpe Bay has some decent bits but it's an island in a sea of crud. I know where I'd rather live.
You really are a hilarious individual. On the other post you rant on about how so many people visit Southend and how I should get out to see it (as if you know if I'm in or out mate!) then go on to slate the town. Stay away if it's so bad, go to Chelmsford or Basildon instead. For your information Southend is the largest urban settlement in Essex, if you don't realise that usually brings crime then you're in a dream world. London has a far far higher crime rate, any ideas why? Does that mean no one wants to live there???
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: Ha ha! Southend is a dump and you know it. For your information Rayleigh, Benfleet, Thundersley, Hadleigh and Leigh all have FAR less crime than Southend, check out the Police crime website where they give details of all crime reported. Granted Thorpe Bay has some decent bits but it's an island in a sea of crud. I know where I'd rather live.[/p][/quote]You really are a hilarious individual. On the other post you rant on about how so many people visit Southend and how I should get out to see it (as if you know if I'm in or out mate!) then go on to slate the town. Stay away if it's so bad, go to Chelmsford or Basildon instead. For your information Southend is the largest urban settlement in Essex, if you don't realise that usually brings crime then you're in a dream world. London has a far far higher crime rate, any ideas why? Does that mean no one wants to live there??? mys842

11:22pm Wed 18 Jul 12

APR says...

Quote " ....R85 there are loads of badgers in Benfleet. Hadleigh, Rayleigh etc so you are looking in the wrong place. Btw you do know they are nocturnal don't you so you won't see them much during the day....."

I have seen Badgers during the day, running around the streets of Thundersley. Not a common sight, but it does happen.
Quote " ....R85 there are loads of badgers in Benfleet. Hadleigh, Rayleigh etc so you are looking in the wrong place. Btw you do know they are nocturnal don't you so you won't see them much during the day....." I have seen Badgers during the day, running around the streets of Thundersley. Not a common sight, but it does happen. APR

7:41am Thu 19 Jul 12

Lefty Cyclist Type says...

First rule of the internet:

Don't Feed The Troll.
First rule of the internet: Don't Feed The Troll. Lefty Cyclist Type

9:36am Thu 19 Jul 12

John the resonator says...

asbo uncut wrote:
you also shove your atheist views down peoples throats so when you die that's it..you're worm food - nothing more. i just put 2 and 2 together.
Hey good people just an occasional post off topic (well I would wouldn't I?) and not impartial to a little lurk now and then.

Thing about this atheism/believer debate is what happens when it is 'game over' for us all.

If the atheists are right no one (including themselves) will know because there will be, well - nothing.

If the believers are right they can all look at the atheists and say - seeeeeeee!!
[quote][p][bold]asbo uncut[/bold] wrote: you also shove your atheist views down peoples throats so when you die that's it..you're worm food - nothing more. i just put 2 and 2 together.[/p][/quote]Hey good people just an occasional post off topic (well I would wouldn't I?) and not impartial to a little lurk now and then. Thing about this atheism/believer debate is what happens when it is 'game over' for us all. If the atheists are right no one (including themselves) will know because there will be, well - nothing. If the believers are right they can all look at the atheists and say - seeeeeeee!! John the resonator

9:40am Thu 19 Jul 12

John the resonator says...

............. have the badgers got the same trade union as those ruddy turnstones that held up the pier cultural centre?
............. have the badgers got the same trade union as those ruddy turnstones that held up the pier cultural centre? John the resonator

11:50am Thu 19 Jul 12

southendshrimper says...

why is it when something gets passed by the council (airport expansion, museum) you only ever get the moaners & wingers in the echo? looking at it today plastered it the moaners but what about the people who want it? backhander by the moan brigade?
why is it when something gets passed by the council (airport expansion, museum) you only ever get the moaners & wingers in the echo? looking at it today plastered it the moaners but what about the people who want it? backhander by the moan brigade? southendshrimper

5:15pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

John the resonator wrote:
asbo uncut wrote: you also shove your atheist views down peoples throats so when you die that's it..you're worm food - nothing more. i just put 2 and 2 together.
Hey good people just an occasional post off topic (well I would wouldn't I?) and not impartial to a little lurk now and then. Thing about this atheism/believer debate is what happens when it is 'game over' for us all. If the atheists are right no one (including themselves) will know because there will be, well - nothing. If the believers are right they can all look at the atheists and say - seeeeeeee!!
I expected better from an educated man like yourself who has previously said you don't believe in the great fantasy fairy in the sky, what about all the different abiogenesis theories, interactions with the Higgs field, quantum fluctuations before the big bang and whether evolution, chaos theory and statistics can explain all human behaviour? At least the smarter believers put up a decent fight even if their arguments are all rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]John the resonator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo uncut[/bold] wrote: you also shove your atheist views down peoples throats so when you die that's it..you're worm food - nothing more. i just put 2 and 2 together.[/p][/quote]Hey good people just an occasional post off topic (well I would wouldn't I?) and not impartial to a little lurk now and then. Thing about this atheism/believer debate is what happens when it is 'game over' for us all. If the atheists are right no one (including themselves) will know because there will be, well - nothing. If the believers are right they can all look at the atheists and say - seeeeeeee!![/p][/quote]I expected better from an educated man like yourself who has previously said you don't believe in the great fantasy fairy in the sky, what about all the different abiogenesis theories, interactions with the Higgs field, quantum fluctuations before the big bang and whether evolution, chaos theory and statistics can explain all human behaviour? At least the smarter believers put up a decent fight even if their arguments are all rubbish. Truth Will Prevail

5:33pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

mys842 and you are even more comical, don't you know there are many examples where completely contradictory statements can be equally and simultaneously true? Southend may be a pile of crud but it's our pile of crud. Suppose I shouldn't expect any better from someone who doesn't even know that badgers are mostly nocturnal.
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As for crime, nationally crime has risen tenfold in the last decade and that's probably true of Southend too but in Castle Point we were recently told by a PC at a Neighbourhood Watch meeting that other areas on the peninsula are worried about robberies and violence but the only crimes we get are inconsiderate parking and people driving too fast down the rat runs. We are officially a Low Crime Area, eat your colective hearts out.
mys842 and you are even more comical, don't you know there are many examples where completely contradictory statements can be equally and simultaneously true? Southend may be a pile of crud but it's our pile of crud. Suppose I shouldn't expect any better from someone who doesn't even know that badgers are mostly nocturnal. . As for crime, nationally crime has risen tenfold in the last decade and that's probably true of Southend too but in Castle Point we were recently told by a PC at a Neighbourhood Watch meeting that other areas on the peninsula are worried about robberies and violence but the only crimes we get are inconsiderate parking and people driving too fast down the rat runs. We are officially a Low Crime Area, eat your colective hearts out. Truth Will Prevail

11:09pm Thu 19 Jul 12

mys842 says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
mys842 and you are even more comical, don't you know there are many examples where completely contradictory statements can be equally and simultaneously true? Southend may be a pile of crud but it's our pile of crud. Suppose I shouldn't expect any better from someone who doesn't even know that badgers are mostly nocturnal. . As for crime, nationally crime has risen tenfold in the last decade and that's probably true of Southend too but in Castle Point we were recently told by a PC at a Neighbourhood Watch meeting that other areas on the peninsula are worried about robberies and violence but the only crimes we get are inconsiderate parking and people driving too fast down the rat runs. We are officially a Low Crime Area, eat your colective hearts out.
I do worry that you can't follow a conversation. I have never mentioned badgers, someone else wrote about them. Oh yes of course Castle point doesn't have any crime, canvey island is a haven for peace and tranquility. Hope the village policeman is right though, I'd love for the whole country to be rid of crime.
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: mys842 and you are even more comical, don't you know there are many examples where completely contradictory statements can be equally and simultaneously true? Southend may be a pile of crud but it's our pile of crud. Suppose I shouldn't expect any better from someone who doesn't even know that badgers are mostly nocturnal. . As for crime, nationally crime has risen tenfold in the last decade and that's probably true of Southend too but in Castle Point we were recently told by a PC at a Neighbourhood Watch meeting that other areas on the peninsula are worried about robberies and violence but the only crimes we get are inconsiderate parking and people driving too fast down the rat runs. We are officially a Low Crime Area, eat your colective hearts out.[/p][/quote]I do worry that you can't follow a conversation. I have never mentioned badgers, someone else wrote about them. Oh yes of course Castle point doesn't have any crime, canvey island is a haven for peace and tranquility. Hope the village policeman is right though, I'd love for the whole country to be rid of crime. mys842

2:45pm Fri 20 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

Oops you are right it was R85, not 842 who made the comment about badgers but you are both a bit odd and I have better things to do than double checking the postings like you do so an understandable error. Btw I started off by saying that Rayleigh, Benfleet, Thundersley, Hadleigh etc have little crime, I never mentioned Canvey, which is as bad as Southend for crime. To satisfy your pedantry I can be more specific and tell you that it is Hadleigh and Thundersley which are officially designated Low Crime Areas, as you would know if you didn't stick to the London Road. You really should get out more.
Oops you are right it was R85, not 842 who made the comment about badgers but you are both a bit odd and I have better things to do than double checking the postings like you do so an understandable error. Btw I started off by saying that Rayleigh, Benfleet, Thundersley, Hadleigh etc have little crime, I never mentioned Canvey, which is as bad as Southend for crime. To satisfy your pedantry I can be more specific and tell you that it is Hadleigh and Thundersley which are officially designated Low Crime Areas, as you would know if you didn't stick to the London Road. You really should get out more. Truth Will Prevail

4:18pm Fri 20 Jul 12

John the resonator says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
John the resonator wrote:
asbo uncut wrote: you also shove your atheist views down peoples throats so when you die that's it..you're worm food - nothing more. i just put 2 and 2 together.
Hey good people just an occasional post off topic (well I would wouldn't I?) and not impartial to a little lurk now and then. Thing about this atheism/believer debate is what happens when it is 'game over' for us all. If the atheists are right no one (including themselves) will know because there will be, well - nothing. If the believers are right they can all look at the atheists and say - seeeeeeee!!
I expected better from an educated man like yourself who has previously said you don't believe in the great fantasy fairy in the sky, what about all the different abiogenesis theories, interactions with the Higgs field, quantum fluctuations before the big bang and whether evolution, chaos theory and statistics can explain all human behaviour? At least the smarter believers put up a decent fight even if their arguments are all rubbish.
Errrrrrr, where did I declare any religious beliefs (or lack of them) in that post?
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John the resonator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo uncut[/bold] wrote: you also shove your atheist views down peoples throats so when you die that's it..you're worm food - nothing more. i just put 2 and 2 together.[/p][/quote]Hey good people just an occasional post off topic (well I would wouldn't I?) and not impartial to a little lurk now and then. Thing about this atheism/believer debate is what happens when it is 'game over' for us all. If the atheists are right no one (including themselves) will know because there will be, well - nothing. If the believers are right they can all look at the atheists and say - seeeeeeee!![/p][/quote]I expected better from an educated man like yourself who has previously said you don't believe in the great fantasy fairy in the sky, what about all the different abiogenesis theories, interactions with the Higgs field, quantum fluctuations before the big bang and whether evolution, chaos theory and statistics can explain all human behaviour? At least the smarter believers put up a decent fight even if their arguments are all rubbish.[/p][/quote]Errrrrrr, where did I declare any religious beliefs (or lack of them) in that post? John the resonator

4:36pm Fri 20 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

... errr you didn't, and I didn't say you did. What I said was that you have "previously said you don't believe", which is true JR or are you denying that?
... errr you didn't, and I didn't say you did. What I said was that you have "previously said you don't believe", which is true JR or are you denying that? Truth Will Prevail

6:13pm Fri 20 Jul 12

mys842 says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Oops you are right it was R85, not 842 who made the comment about badgers but you are both a bit odd and I have better things to do than double checking the postings like you do so an understandable error. Btw I started off by saying that Rayleigh, Benfleet, Thundersley, Hadleigh etc have little crime, I never mentioned Canvey, which is as bad as Southend for crime. To satisfy your pedantry I can be more specific and tell you that it is Hadleigh and Thundersley which are officially designated Low Crime Areas, as you would know if you didn't stick to the London Road. You really should get out more.
I agree it is a bit pedantic arguing about which streets are safer, which roads are better and how long it takes to get to a town over another so I won't bother. My original post was in favour of a development in my borough. We have the whole country banging on about how much of a dump south Essex is, it's not worth feeding them by arguing amongst outselves about the value of one set of streets with another. And please don't insult me personally by calling me an imbecile - there's no need for it!
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: Oops you are right it was R85, not 842 who made the comment about badgers but you are both a bit odd and I have better things to do than double checking the postings like you do so an understandable error. Btw I started off by saying that Rayleigh, Benfleet, Thundersley, Hadleigh etc have little crime, I never mentioned Canvey, which is as bad as Southend for crime. To satisfy your pedantry I can be more specific and tell you that it is Hadleigh and Thundersley which are officially designated Low Crime Areas, as you would know if you didn't stick to the London Road. You really should get out more.[/p][/quote]I agree it is a bit pedantic arguing about which streets are safer, which roads are better and how long it takes to get to a town over another so I won't bother. My original post was in favour of a development in my borough. We have the whole country banging on about how much of a dump south Essex is, it's not worth feeding them by arguing amongst outselves about the value of one set of streets with another. And please don't insult me personally by calling me an imbecile - there's no need for it! mys842

12:28am Sat 21 Jul 12

Truth Will Prevail says...

OK mys842 and I certainly don't disagree with improving Southend or anywhere else round here, but I do object to the Council displaying the P of P in completely inappropriate surroundings. They are trying to milk this for all it's worth but it's only the equivalent of a few assorted cases in one gallery of the British Museum, hardly a day out, and the seafront is hardly the best environment for quiet contemplation. Restaurants are fine, even 'business centres' (although there are better things to put on a seafront) but not some of the most signifcant Saxon finds in south east England. It's just not right.
OK mys842 and I certainly don't disagree with improving Southend or anywhere else round here, but I do object to the Council displaying the P of P in completely inappropriate surroundings. They are trying to milk this for all it's worth but it's only the equivalent of a few assorted cases in one gallery of the British Museum, hardly a day out, and the seafront is hardly the best environment for quiet contemplation. Restaurants are fine, even 'business centres' (although there are better things to put on a seafront) but not some of the most signifcant Saxon finds in south east England. It's just not right. Truth Will Prevail

2:08pm Sat 21 Jul 12

John the resonator says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
... errr you didn't, and I didn't say you did. What I said was that you have "previously said you don't believe", which is true JR or are you denying that?
I suppose I would describe myself as 'an open minded non-believer' in the sense that I am not really a believer but respect those of a religious view as long as they are not perverting a good religious message to advocate harming or persecuting people. I would also not rule out the possibility that there is a God and nothing from science changes that. The emphasis is on the open mind, a very big thing indeed with me.

Now one thing I do believe in is he awesome power of badgers to hold up a museum project, shame they carry that Bovine TB, they would be so lovable otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: ... errr you didn't, and I didn't say you did. What I said was that you have "previously said you don't believe", which is true JR or are you denying that?[/p][/quote]I suppose I would describe myself as 'an open minded non-believer' in the sense that I am not really a believer but respect those of a religious view as long as they are not perverting a good religious message to advocate harming or persecuting people. I would also not rule out the possibility that there is a God and nothing from science changes that. The emphasis is on the open mind, a very big thing indeed with me. Now one thing I do believe in is he awesome power of badgers to hold up a museum project, shame they carry that Bovine TB, they would be so lovable otherwise. John the resonator

11:44am Mon 23 Jul 12

R85 says...

Truth Will Prevail wrote:
Asbo you are full of it. There are lots of very decent people posting on this website, some of them known to me personally but you aint one of them, you nasty little troll, you twist things around, you abuse and insult people and you have the kind of opinions we expect from a demented octagenarian. It is clear from your posts that you you spend your whole life on here too, how sad is that? Thank goodness you are in Shoebury so you are as far away as possible from the good people of Leigh, Hadleigh, Benfleet etc. . R85 there are loads of badgers in Benfleet. Hadleigh, Rayleigh etc so you are looking in the wrong place. Btw you do know they are nocturnal don't you so you won't see them much during the day.
Well I don’t really understand why I’ve not seen them more often then. I did used to go night riding through Epping Forest every Wednesday with a bike club; however I don’t remember ever spotting a badger! Shame, as they are cool things. To the other comment about putting poison down for them – It just seems so cruel and I couldn’t do it. Maybe if they were destroying the golf course and causing thousands in damage I could understand, however it seems like such a shame to kill a badger! My mates a pest controller and was asked to take out squirrels at a pub in London – he said he couldn’t do it and respect to him for not doing it!
[quote][p][bold]Truth Will Prevail[/bold] wrote: Asbo you are full of it. There are lots of very decent people posting on this website, some of them known to me personally but you aint one of them, you nasty little troll, you twist things around, you abuse and insult people and you have the kind of opinions we expect from a demented octagenarian. It is clear from your posts that you you spend your whole life on here too, how sad is that? Thank goodness you are in Shoebury so you are as far away as possible from the good people of Leigh, Hadleigh, Benfleet etc. . R85 there are loads of badgers in Benfleet. Hadleigh, Rayleigh etc so you are looking in the wrong place. Btw you do know they are nocturnal don't you so you won't see them much during the day.[/p][/quote]Well I don’t really understand why I’ve not seen them more often then. I did used to go night riding through Epping Forest every Wednesday with a bike club; however I don’t remember ever spotting a badger! Shame, as they are cool things. To the other comment about putting poison down for them – It just seems so cruel and I couldn’t do it. Maybe if they were destroying the golf course and causing thousands in damage I could understand, however it seems like such a shame to kill a badger! My mates a pest controller and was asked to take out squirrels at a pub in London – he said he couldn’t do it and respect to him for not doing it! R85

12:11am Thu 26 Jul 12

E-Types. says...

asbo uncut wrote:
you openly espouse the use of drugs on this forum and you single handedly dish out more abuse to one individual than all other posters do on this website.
tes indeed and hat has been noted by those who matter.
[quote][p][bold]asbo uncut[/bold] wrote: you openly espouse the use of drugs on this forum and you single handedly dish out more abuse to one individual than all other posters do on this website.[/p][/quote]tes indeed and hat has been noted by those who matter. E-Types.

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