‘50mph plan for A127 will harm businesses’

Echo: Speed limit plan 'will harm business' Speed limit plan 'will harm business'

SOUTHEND’S next Tory leader has warned Essex County Council against introducing “blanket”

speed restrictions on the A127.

Southend Council has agreed to bid for £44.2million of Government cash to improve the road, with the county council.

But as the cabinet signed off the joint bid last week, deputy leader John Lamb spoke out against his Tory colleagues in Chelmsford, accusing them of harming business with indiscriminate speed limits across their stretch of the dual carriageway.

Mr Lamb, who will take over as leader of Southend’s Tories from May as leader Nigel Holdcroft retires, said: “One of the concerns I havewith Essex is we need them to invest in a major road which is fit to take tens of thousands of vehicles each day, but we don’t want them to introduce average speed restrictions across the whole length of it.

“The county council put in speed restrictions to cope with small blackspots by introducing a blanket ban that affects business.

“I will challenge this.”

A document drawn up by both authorities discusses extending a 50mph limit across the entire length of the A127 under county council control to prevent casualties, but warns it would frustrate drivers at off-peak times.

Planners see no “insurmountable”

problems with introducing variable speed limits between the M25 and the Fairglen junction, near Rayleigh, and say a business case would need to be developed after consultation.

The £4.7million scheme would be enforced using average speed cameras along the route, but new electronic signs would be needed at every junction to warn drivers of the speed limit, which would be adjusted according to traffic flow and any incidents.

The joint plan, entitled Corridor for Growth, says: “Initially, no insurmountable problems with the technology have been foreseen, and Essex County Council Highways’ legal section has confirmed, provided there are the relevant speed limit orders in place, a variable speed limit on the A127 is possible.”

Acounty council spokeswoman said: “We do not issue blanket speed limits, we look at the appropriate limit for a length of road.”

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6:58am Thu 27 Mar 14

the citizen says...

From Dunton to the Fairglen Junction is 10.3miles. It will take 4 minutes longer to do this at 50mph than 70 mph. How will 4 minutes decimate business? It will also help prevent traffic arriving at Rayleigh too quickly jamming up the junction (which usually adds more than 4 minutes) and also spread the traffic entering Southend more helpfully for the junctions that are already overloaded. A constant 50mph is better than 'stop and start' 70mph. It's better for the road wear and tear, better for the wear and tear on the cars, better fuel economy, fewer accidents perhaps, and we may all get home on time. Nothing more than headline grabbing....that is all this is.
From Dunton to the Fairglen Junction is 10.3miles. It will take 4 minutes longer to do this at 50mph than 70 mph. How will 4 minutes decimate business? It will also help prevent traffic arriving at Rayleigh too quickly jamming up the junction (which usually adds more than 4 minutes) and also spread the traffic entering Southend more helpfully for the junctions that are already overloaded. A constant 50mph is better than 'stop and start' 70mph. It's better for the road wear and tear, better for the wear and tear on the cars, better fuel economy, fewer accidents perhaps, and we may all get home on time. Nothing more than headline grabbing....that is all this is. the citizen
  • Score: -13

8:14am Thu 27 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

driving like robots is no good for anything, scrap all the cameras, nothing more than pointless control freakery.......
driving like robots is no good for anything, scrap all the cameras, nothing more than pointless control freakery....... pembury53
  • Score: 27

8:24am Thu 27 Mar 14

Speedysnail says...

Waste of money. Spend the money on fixing the potholes.
Waste of money. Spend the money on fixing the potholes. Speedysnail
  • Score: 41

9:24am Thu 27 Mar 14

Letmetryagain says...

It will probably push more traffic onto the A13
It will probably push more traffic onto the A13 Letmetryagain
  • Score: 27

10:07am Thu 27 Mar 14

DCLEIGH says...

Letmetryagain wrote:
It will probably push more traffic onto the A13
And, therefore, more cars into residential areas. Remember, the residents vote for the politicians, the drivers are just passing through.
[quote][p][bold]Letmetryagain[/bold] wrote: It will probably push more traffic onto the A13[/p][/quote]And, therefore, more cars into residential areas. Remember, the residents vote for the politicians, the drivers are just passing through. DCLEIGH
  • Score: 9

10:14am Thu 27 Mar 14

woolstone says...

The money could be spent on other areas like the potholes, turning the street lights back on, or leaving them on longer than midnight. It could cause more accidents as drivers will be constantly checking their speed and taking their eyes of the road more often, therefore concentration will not be a 100%.
The money could be spent on other areas like the potholes, turning the street lights back on, or leaving them on longer than midnight. It could cause more accidents as drivers will be constantly checking their speed and taking their eyes of the road more often, therefore concentration will not be a 100%. woolstone
  • Score: 12

10:41am Thu 27 Mar 14

andyh says...

At the times it is unsafe to drive along the arterial at more than 50mph rather than 70 it is usually not possible to do so because of the volume of traffic. So no need to listen to the salesmen who are trying to make a profit out of fancy electronic gadgets that set variable speed limits - don't waste taxpayers money.
At the times it is unsafe to drive along the arterial at more than 50mph rather than 70 it is usually not possible to do so because of the volume of traffic. So no need to listen to the salesmen who are trying to make a profit out of fancy electronic gadgets that set variable speed limits - don't waste taxpayers money. andyh
  • Score: 7

11:16am Thu 27 Mar 14

geeeee says...

50 mh is dangerous you can't overtake a lorry so you end up sitting behind a load of slow moving vehicles all the while it's a nightmare and the current average speed limits should be scrapped
It was a total con to raise money in the first place as there were no more serious prior to them
50 mh is dangerous you can't overtake a lorry so you end up sitting behind a load of slow moving vehicles all the while it's a nightmare and the current average speed limits should be scrapped It was a total con to raise money in the first place as there were no more serious prior to them geeeee
  • Score: 8

11:30am Thu 27 Mar 14

Norfolk and Chance says...

This is ridiculous. Why don't they spend the money on bringing back the original blue & white Rossi's kiosk in the high street so I can get my lemon ice??
This is ridiculous. Why don't they spend the money on bringing back the original blue & white Rossi's kiosk in the high street so I can get my lemon ice?? Norfolk and Chance
  • Score: 11

11:45am Thu 27 Mar 14

MilesBond says...

The 50mph average speed stretches of the A127 are a nightmare. I am sure someone in the pro camp will have some shiny stats to support the scheme, (they always do), but as someone who has driven on the A127 daily for the last ten years, I consider the restriction has done nothing but harm. Sometimes speeding up a little to allow clear access for vehicles joining from the left is the SAFEST manoeuvre. Instead we have created a legion of drivers doggedly sticking to the speed limit in fear of penalty, with little regard to what is happening around them. The number of accidents (many of which will not be recorded) and near misses between these 'robots' and the drivers attempting to join the flow of traffic is alarming. Particularly when they are driving in long 'blockades', unable to overtake and pass the slower drivers. No stats., just first hand experience on a daily basis.
The 50mph average speed stretches of the A127 are a nightmare. I am sure someone in the pro camp will have some shiny stats to support the scheme, (they always do), but as someone who has driven on the A127 daily for the last ten years, I consider the restriction has done nothing but harm. Sometimes speeding up a little to allow clear access for vehicles joining from the left is the SAFEST manoeuvre. Instead we have created a legion of drivers doggedly sticking to the speed limit in fear of penalty, with little regard to what is happening around them. The number of accidents (many of which will not be recorded) and near misses between these 'robots' and the drivers attempting to join the flow of traffic is alarming. Particularly when they are driving in long 'blockades', unable to overtake and pass the slower drivers. No stats., just first hand experience on a daily basis. MilesBond
  • Score: 12

11:55am Thu 27 Mar 14

JayRSS1 says...

These cameras have you watching your speedo instead of the road. There are always accidents reported at Rayleigh Weir in the Echo. If these speed restrictions are so wonderful why are there so many accidents on this stretch of the 127?
These cameras have you watching your speedo instead of the road. There are always accidents reported at Rayleigh Weir in the Echo. If these speed restrictions are so wonderful why are there so many accidents on this stretch of the 127? JayRSS1
  • Score: 7

12:50pm Thu 27 Mar 14

CrippsCorner says...

Agree it's more dangerous, always checking your speedo etc. also when there's a join on to the road from the side, you can't speed up to get ahead letting someone in meaning the cars wanting to enter come to a standstill and then have to accelerate from scratch in order to get on... if this is happening whilst a car is coming up, they are then unable to speed up to get in front of someone on the right hand lane to let them in!

It's a nightmare. But still, it's all about the money, money money...
Agree it's more dangerous, always checking your speedo etc. also when there's a join on to the road from the side, you can't speed up to get ahead letting someone in meaning the cars wanting to enter come to a standstill and then have to accelerate from scratch in order to get on... if this is happening whilst a car is coming up, they are then unable to speed up to get in front of someone on the right hand lane to let them in! It's a nightmare. But still, it's all about the money, money money... CrippsCorner
  • Score: 2

1:16pm Thu 27 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

MilesBond wrote:
The 50mph average speed stretches of the A127 are a nightmare. I am sure someone in the pro camp will have some shiny stats to support the scheme, (they always do), but as someone who has driven on the A127 daily for the last ten years, I consider the restriction has done nothing but harm. Sometimes speeding up a little to allow clear access for vehicles joining from the left is the SAFEST manoeuvre. Instead we have created a legion of drivers doggedly sticking to the speed limit in fear of penalty, with little regard to what is happening around them. The number of accidents (many of which will not be recorded) and near misses between these 'robots' and the drivers attempting to join the flow of traffic is alarming. Particularly when they are driving in long 'blockades', unable to overtake and pass the slower drivers. No stats., just first hand experience on a daily basis.
exactly MilesBond.... likewise iv'e been using the 127 for years and it's now a complete pain with these useless cameras.... drivers interpret them differently so at an indictaed 50 you still get tail gated by those who add on a margin, and you can't easily change lanes anymore because everyone is stuck like a robot, scared to speed up and unable to slow down..... the statistics trotted out in defence of cameras are manipulated nonsense (a bit like crime statistics) as a vain attempt to justify the white (or yellow) elephant they have created..... at least it appears that a few more people are finally realising it
[quote][p][bold]MilesBond[/bold] wrote: The 50mph average speed stretches of the A127 are a nightmare. I am sure someone in the pro camp will have some shiny stats to support the scheme, (they always do), but as someone who has driven on the A127 daily for the last ten years, I consider the restriction has done nothing but harm. Sometimes speeding up a little to allow clear access for vehicles joining from the left is the SAFEST manoeuvre. Instead we have created a legion of drivers doggedly sticking to the speed limit in fear of penalty, with little regard to what is happening around them. The number of accidents (many of which will not be recorded) and near misses between these 'robots' and the drivers attempting to join the flow of traffic is alarming. Particularly when they are driving in long 'blockades', unable to overtake and pass the slower drivers. No stats., just first hand experience on a daily basis.[/p][/quote]exactly MilesBond.... likewise iv'e been using the 127 for years and it's now a complete pain with these useless cameras.... drivers interpret them differently so at an indictaed 50 you still get tail gated by those who add on a margin, and you can't easily change lanes anymore because everyone is stuck like a robot, scared to speed up and unable to slow down..... the statistics trotted out in defence of cameras are manipulated nonsense (a bit like crime statistics) as a vain attempt to justify the white (or yellow) elephant they have created..... at least it appears that a few more people are finally realising it pembury53
  • Score: 2

2:15pm Thu 27 Mar 14

artytoit says...

Speed cameras = fines... that is all they're interested in.
Speed cameras = fines... that is all they're interested in. artytoit
  • Score: 2

10:13pm Thu 27 Mar 14

smiffy22 says...

Brilliant! Can't wait.
Having driven the A127 from Basildon to Rayleigh for the last ten years, I can recall the week the average speed cameras were switched on. We went from having major hold-ups due to crashes between once and three times a fortnight, to once a month or fewer. Even then they are generally not quite as serious as they used to be. Of course it hasn't stopped all the crashes, but it made an immense difference. Oddly enough, the most serious crashed were often at the early part of rush hour. I expect there were morons hammering down the road way too fast in the odd quarter mile or so of relatively clear stretch, only to find (surprise surprise) the road wasn't empty after all. But in that I speculate, who knows what goes on in the mind of the numpties that crash on a relatively straight road.
Anyway, I say bring it on. Make the whole stretch 50 and reduce the knuckle-head collisions still further. Maybe it'll add a few seconds to my journey on the rare days the roads are completely clear, but it'll reduce the number of long delays from crashes and that's worth far more to me.
Smiffy22
Brilliant! Can't wait. Having driven the A127 from Basildon to Rayleigh for the last ten years, I can recall the week the average speed cameras were switched on. We went from having major hold-ups due to crashes between once and three times a fortnight, to once a month or fewer. Even then they are generally not quite as serious as they used to be. Of course it hasn't stopped all the crashes, but it made an immense difference. Oddly enough, the most serious crashed were often at the early part of rush hour. I expect there were morons hammering down the road way too fast in the odd quarter mile or so of relatively clear stretch, only to find (surprise surprise) the road wasn't empty after all. But in that I speculate, who knows what goes on in the mind of the numpties that crash on a relatively straight road. Anyway, I say bring it on. Make the whole stretch 50 and reduce the knuckle-head collisions still further. Maybe it'll add a few seconds to my journey on the rare days the roads are completely clear, but it'll reduce the number of long delays from crashes and that's worth far more to me. Smiffy22 smiffy22
  • Score: 4

10:15pm Thu 27 Mar 14

smiffy22 says...

the citizen wrote:
From Dunton to the Fairglen Junction is 10.3miles. It will take 4 minutes longer to do this at 50mph than 70 mph. How will 4 minutes decimate business? It will also help prevent traffic arriving at Rayleigh too quickly jamming up the junction (which usually adds more than 4 minutes) and also spread the traffic entering Southend more helpfully for the junctions that are already overloaded. A constant 50mph is better than 'stop and start' 70mph. It's better for the road wear and tear, better for the wear and tear on the cars, better fuel economy, fewer accidents perhaps, and we may all get home on time. Nothing more than headline grabbing....that is all this is.
Oh, thou shalt not speak common sense and logic, the petrol-heads just won't like it!
Regards,
Smiffy22
[quote][p][bold]the citizen[/bold] wrote: From Dunton to the Fairglen Junction is 10.3miles. It will take 4 minutes longer to do this at 50mph than 70 mph. How will 4 minutes decimate business? It will also help prevent traffic arriving at Rayleigh too quickly jamming up the junction (which usually adds more than 4 minutes) and also spread the traffic entering Southend more helpfully for the junctions that are already overloaded. A constant 50mph is better than 'stop and start' 70mph. It's better for the road wear and tear, better for the wear and tear on the cars, better fuel economy, fewer accidents perhaps, and we may all get home on time. Nothing more than headline grabbing....that is all this is.[/p][/quote]Oh, thou shalt not speak common sense and logic, the petrol-heads just won't like it! Regards, Smiffy22 smiffy22
  • Score: 3

10:16pm Thu 27 Mar 14

smiffy22 says...

Letmetryagain wrote:
It will probably push more traffic onto the A13
Good. Fewer cars on the A127 = easier drive home for me :-)
Regards,
Smiffy22
[quote][p][bold]Letmetryagain[/bold] wrote: It will probably push more traffic onto the A13[/p][/quote]Good. Fewer cars on the A127 = easier drive home for me :-) Regards, Smiffy22 smiffy22
  • Score: 1

10:18pm Thu 27 Mar 14

smiffy22 says...

pembury53 wrote:
driving like robots is no good for anything, scrap all the cameras, nothing more than pointless control freakery.......
Hmm.
And spend countless hours in traffic jams caused by the morons that stove into the car in front as they try to get home a little bit faster.
Regards,
Smiffy22
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: driving like robots is no good for anything, scrap all the cameras, nothing more than pointless control freakery.......[/p][/quote]Hmm. And spend countless hours in traffic jams caused by the morons that stove into the car in front as they try to get home a little bit faster. Regards, Smiffy22 smiffy22
  • Score: 3

10:28pm Thu 27 Mar 14

smiffy22 says...

MilesBond wrote:
The 50mph average speed stretches of the A127 are a nightmare. I am sure someone in the pro camp will have some shiny stats to support the scheme, (they always do), but as someone who has driven on the A127 daily for the last ten years, I consider the restriction has done nothing but harm. Sometimes speeding up a little to allow clear access for vehicles joining from the left is the SAFEST manoeuvre. Instead we have created a legion of drivers doggedly sticking to the speed limit in fear of penalty, with little regard to what is happening around them. The number of accidents (many of which will not be recorded) and near misses between these 'robots' and the drivers attempting to join the flow of traffic is alarming. Particularly when they are driving in long 'blockades', unable to overtake and pass the slower drivers. No stats., just first hand experience on a daily basis.
What a pile of nonsense, did you actually read your post after writing it?
Speeding up does not help other drivers join the main road. Do you really think you'll make that much bigger a gap behind you? In all probability you''ll probably already be close too close to the car in of you anyway (judging by your post), and if the road in front of you is empty it's likely the road behind is not busy either.
The way to ensure traffic can safely and easily join the main carriageway is for EACH CAR TO LEAVE A REASONABLE GAP IN FRONT! That way, traffic can merge easily and smoothly, no-one has to accelerate or decelerate abruptly, and no-one needs to change lane quickly. Of course it works even better if the traffic on the slip road is also well spaced, but that rarely happens. God, it's so simple, but you'd think it rocket science by the way people drive, making life awkward for themselves as well as for others.
People, start thinking for a change.
Regards,
Smiffy22
[quote][p][bold]MilesBond[/bold] wrote: The 50mph average speed stretches of the A127 are a nightmare. I am sure someone in the pro camp will have some shiny stats to support the scheme, (they always do), but as someone who has driven on the A127 daily for the last ten years, I consider the restriction has done nothing but harm. Sometimes speeding up a little to allow clear access for vehicles joining from the left is the SAFEST manoeuvre. Instead we have created a legion of drivers doggedly sticking to the speed limit in fear of penalty, with little regard to what is happening around them. The number of accidents (many of which will not be recorded) and near misses between these 'robots' and the drivers attempting to join the flow of traffic is alarming. Particularly when they are driving in long 'blockades', unable to overtake and pass the slower drivers. No stats., just first hand experience on a daily basis.[/p][/quote]What a pile of nonsense, did you actually read your post after writing it? Speeding up does not help other drivers join the main road. Do you really think you'll make that much bigger a gap behind you? In all probability you''ll probably already be close too close to the car in of you anyway (judging by your post), and if the road in front of you is empty it's likely the road behind is not busy either. The way to ensure traffic can safely and easily join the main carriageway is for EACH CAR TO LEAVE A REASONABLE GAP IN FRONT! That way, traffic can merge easily and smoothly, no-one has to accelerate or decelerate abruptly, and no-one needs to change lane quickly. Of course it works even better if the traffic on the slip road is also well spaced, but that rarely happens. God, it's so simple, but you'd think it rocket science by the way people drive, making life awkward for themselves as well as for others. People, start thinking for a change. Regards, Smiffy22 smiffy22
  • Score: 3

10:35pm Thu 27 Mar 14

smiffy22 says...

JayRSS1 wrote:
These cameras have you watching your speedo instead of the road. There are always accidents reported at Rayleigh Weir in the Echo. If these speed restrictions are so wonderful why are there so many accidents on this stretch of the 127?
Good grief, if your driving skills are so poor you need to stare at the speedo longer than is safe, perhaps you should hang up your driving license and buy a bus pass.
Yes, there are will always be accidents, the knuckle-scrapers will always manage to stove the car in front somehow. All that can be done is to reduce the number of accidents and/or at least reduce the severity of the accidents. The latter will make the biggest difference, both to the injury severity and to the delays caused to other drivers.
In my experience the A127 average speed cameras made a huge difference - far fewer long delays on my daily drive to and from work.
Regards,
Smiffy22
[quote][p][bold]JayRSS1[/bold] wrote: These cameras have you watching your speedo instead of the road. There are always accidents reported at Rayleigh Weir in the Echo. If these speed restrictions are so wonderful why are there so many accidents on this stretch of the 127?[/p][/quote]Good grief, if your driving skills are so poor you need to stare at the speedo longer than is safe, perhaps you should hang up your driving license and buy a bus pass. Yes, there are will always be accidents, the knuckle-scrapers will always manage to stove the car in front somehow. All that can be done is to reduce the number of accidents and/or at least reduce the severity of the accidents. The latter will make the biggest difference, both to the injury severity and to the delays caused to other drivers. In my experience the A127 average speed cameras made a huge difference - far fewer long delays on my daily drive to and from work. Regards, Smiffy22 smiffy22
  • Score: 3

10:40pm Thu 27 Mar 14

smiffy22 says...

pembury53 wrote:
MilesBond wrote:
The 50mph average speed stretches of the A127 are a nightmare. I am sure someone in the pro camp will have some shiny stats to support the scheme, (they always do), but as someone who has driven on the A127 daily for the last ten years, I consider the restriction has done nothing but harm. Sometimes speeding up a little to allow clear access for vehicles joining from the left is the SAFEST manoeuvre. Instead we have created a legion of drivers doggedly sticking to the speed limit in fear of penalty, with little regard to what is happening around them. The number of accidents (many of which will not be recorded) and near misses between these 'robots' and the drivers attempting to join the flow of traffic is alarming. Particularly when they are driving in long 'blockades', unable to overtake and pass the slower drivers. No stats., just first hand experience on a daily basis.
exactly MilesBond.... likewise iv'e been using the 127 for years and it's now a complete pain with these useless cameras.... drivers interpret them differently so at an indictaed 50 you still get tail gated by those who add on a margin, and you can't easily change lanes anymore because everyone is stuck like a robot, scared to speed up and unable to slow down..... the statistics trotted out in defence of cameras are manipulated nonsense (a bit like crime statistics) as a vain attempt to justify the white (or yellow) elephant they have created..... at least it appears that a few more people are finally realising it
And you really believe those tail-gaters would not have been doing the same if you were driving at 70 or 80? I'm not sure what planet you drive on but it doesn't sound like it's the same as the rest of us!
My journey home each day on the A127 has had far fewer major hold-ups from crashes since the cameras were switched on, so again I don't recognise the one you are talking about. What planet did you say???
Regards,
Smiffy22
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MilesBond[/bold] wrote: The 50mph average speed stretches of the A127 are a nightmare. I am sure someone in the pro camp will have some shiny stats to support the scheme, (they always do), but as someone who has driven on the A127 daily for the last ten years, I consider the restriction has done nothing but harm. Sometimes speeding up a little to allow clear access for vehicles joining from the left is the SAFEST manoeuvre. Instead we have created a legion of drivers doggedly sticking to the speed limit in fear of penalty, with little regard to what is happening around them. The number of accidents (many of which will not be recorded) and near misses between these 'robots' and the drivers attempting to join the flow of traffic is alarming. Particularly when they are driving in long 'blockades', unable to overtake and pass the slower drivers. No stats., just first hand experience on a daily basis.[/p][/quote]exactly MilesBond.... likewise iv'e been using the 127 for years and it's now a complete pain with these useless cameras.... drivers interpret them differently so at an indictaed 50 you still get tail gated by those who add on a margin, and you can't easily change lanes anymore because everyone is stuck like a robot, scared to speed up and unable to slow down..... the statistics trotted out in defence of cameras are manipulated nonsense (a bit like crime statistics) as a vain attempt to justify the white (or yellow) elephant they have created..... at least it appears that a few more people are finally realising it[/p][/quote]And you really believe those tail-gaters would not have been doing the same if you were driving at 70 or 80? I'm not sure what planet you drive on but it doesn't sound like it's the same as the rest of us! My journey home each day on the A127 has had far fewer major hold-ups from crashes since the cameras were switched on, so again I don't recognise the one you are talking about. What planet did you say??? Regards, Smiffy22 smiffy22
  • Score: 3

10:01am Fri 28 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

smiffy22 wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
MilesBond wrote: The 50mph average speed stretches of the A127 are a nightmare. I am sure someone in the pro camp will have some shiny stats to support the scheme, (they always do), but as someone who has driven on the A127 daily for the last ten years, I consider the restriction has done nothing but harm. Sometimes speeding up a little to allow clear access for vehicles joining from the left is the SAFEST manoeuvre. Instead we have created a legion of drivers doggedly sticking to the speed limit in fear of penalty, with little regard to what is happening around them. The number of accidents (many of which will not be recorded) and near misses between these 'robots' and the drivers attempting to join the flow of traffic is alarming. Particularly when they are driving in long 'blockades', unable to overtake and pass the slower drivers. No stats., just first hand experience on a daily basis.
exactly MilesBond.... likewise iv'e been using the 127 for years and it's now a complete pain with these useless cameras.... drivers interpret them differently so at an indictaed 50 you still get tail gated by those who add on a margin, and you can't easily change lanes anymore because everyone is stuck like a robot, scared to speed up and unable to slow down..... the statistics trotted out in defence of cameras are manipulated nonsense (a bit like crime statistics) as a vain attempt to justify the white (or yellow) elephant they have created..... at least it appears that a few more people are finally realising it
And you really believe those tail-gaters would not have been doing the same if you were driving at 70 or 80? I'm not sure what planet you drive on but it doesn't sound like it's the same as the rest of us! My journey home each day on the A127 has had far fewer major hold-ups from crashes since the cameras were switched on, so again I don't recognise the one you are talking about. What planet did you say??? Regards, Smiffy22
seems like your on your own to me, and i don't recognise the statistics you seem so confident in referring to, there are numerous collisions still reported..... i will however agree with you on one point... if these idiots left a proper gap and used the slip roads correctly then filtering into traffic would indeed be as easy as you say.... i am bemused every evening by the muppets joining the 127 from A130 at fairglen..... why do they get to the top of the slip road (gradient bit) and stop !!! If these clowns used the full length of the slip way it would be so much easier to filter in as it should be done, i.e every other vehicle, and reduce the chaos on the roundabout below.....
[quote][p][bold]smiffy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MilesBond[/bold] wrote: The 50mph average speed stretches of the A127 are a nightmare. I am sure someone in the pro camp will have some shiny stats to support the scheme, (they always do), but as someone who has driven on the A127 daily for the last ten years, I consider the restriction has done nothing but harm. Sometimes speeding up a little to allow clear access for vehicles joining from the left is the SAFEST manoeuvre. Instead we have created a legion of drivers doggedly sticking to the speed limit in fear of penalty, with little regard to what is happening around them. The number of accidents (many of which will not be recorded) and near misses between these 'robots' and the drivers attempting to join the flow of traffic is alarming. Particularly when they are driving in long 'blockades', unable to overtake and pass the slower drivers. No stats., just first hand experience on a daily basis.[/p][/quote]exactly MilesBond.... likewise iv'e been using the 127 for years and it's now a complete pain with these useless cameras.... drivers interpret them differently so at an indictaed 50 you still get tail gated by those who add on a margin, and you can't easily change lanes anymore because everyone is stuck like a robot, scared to speed up and unable to slow down..... the statistics trotted out in defence of cameras are manipulated nonsense (a bit like crime statistics) as a vain attempt to justify the white (or yellow) elephant they have created..... at least it appears that a few more people are finally realising it[/p][/quote]And you really believe those tail-gaters would not have been doing the same if you were driving at 70 or 80? I'm not sure what planet you drive on but it doesn't sound like it's the same as the rest of us! My journey home each day on the A127 has had far fewer major hold-ups from crashes since the cameras were switched on, so again I don't recognise the one you are talking about. What planet did you say??? Regards, Smiffy22[/p][/quote]seems like your on your own to me, and i don't recognise the statistics you seem so confident in referring to, there are numerous collisions still reported..... i will however agree with you on one point... if these idiots left a proper gap and used the slip roads correctly then filtering into traffic would indeed be as easy as you say.... i am bemused every evening by the muppets joining the 127 from A130 at fairglen..... why do they get to the top of the slip road (gradient bit) and stop !!! If these clowns used the full length of the slip way it would be so much easier to filter in as it should be done, i.e every other vehicle, and reduce the chaos on the roundabout below..... pembury53
  • Score: -1

12:13pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Rouge9 says...

pembury53 wrote:
smiffy22 wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
MilesBond wrote: The 50mph average speed stretches of the A127 are a nightmare. I am sure someone in the pro camp will have some shiny stats to support the scheme, (they always do), but as someone who has driven on the A127 daily for the last ten years, I consider the restriction has done nothing but harm. Sometimes speeding up a little to allow clear access for vehicles joining from the left is the SAFEST manoeuvre. Instead we have created a legion of drivers doggedly sticking to the speed limit in fear of penalty, with little regard to what is happening around them. The number of accidents (many of which will not be recorded) and near misses between these 'robots' and the drivers attempting to join the flow of traffic is alarming. Particularly when they are driving in long 'blockades', unable to overtake and pass the slower drivers. No stats., just first hand experience on a daily basis.
exactly MilesBond.... likewise iv'e been using the 127 for years and it's now a complete pain with these useless cameras.... drivers interpret them differently so at an indictaed 50 you still get tail gated by those who add on a margin, and you can't easily change lanes anymore because everyone is stuck like a robot, scared to speed up and unable to slow down..... the statistics trotted out in defence of cameras are manipulated nonsense (a bit like crime statistics) as a vain attempt to justify the white (or yellow) elephant they have created..... at least it appears that a few more people are finally realising it
And you really believe those tail-gaters would not have been doing the same if you were driving at 70 or 80? I'm not sure what planet you drive on but it doesn't sound like it's the same as the rest of us! My journey home each day on the A127 has had far fewer major hold-ups from crashes since the cameras were switched on, so again I don't recognise the one you are talking about. What planet did you say??? Regards, Smiffy22
seems like your on your own to me, and i don't recognise the statistics you seem so confident in referring to, there are numerous collisions still reported..... i will however agree with you on one point... if these idiots left a proper gap and used the slip roads correctly then filtering into traffic would indeed be as easy as you say.... i am bemused every evening by the muppets joining the 127 from A130 at fairglen..... why do they get to the top of the slip road (gradient bit) and stop !!! If these clowns used the full length of the slip way it would be so much easier to filter in as it should be done, i.e every other vehicle, and reduce the chaos on the roundabout below.....
Pembury, I am in agreement with you, but you are forgetting one thing, you have no right of way to just join into traffic from a minor to a major (or slip roadonto the A127), the painted broken lines at the end of a slip way are Give Way lines, which means: be prepared to Stop, which people are doing.

Sadly no one seems able to move over to help people join (by weight of traffic or ignorance I can't say). My personal belief for road management is that lane 1 should become the off/on slip road, meaning that continuing traffic would have to move to lane 2, but with plenty of notice, you'd hope people would zip filter.
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smiffy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MilesBond[/bold] wrote: The 50mph average speed stretches of the A127 are a nightmare. I am sure someone in the pro camp will have some shiny stats to support the scheme, (they always do), but as someone who has driven on the A127 daily for the last ten years, I consider the restriction has done nothing but harm. Sometimes speeding up a little to allow clear access for vehicles joining from the left is the SAFEST manoeuvre. Instead we have created a legion of drivers doggedly sticking to the speed limit in fear of penalty, with little regard to what is happening around them. The number of accidents (many of which will not be recorded) and near misses between these 'robots' and the drivers attempting to join the flow of traffic is alarming. Particularly when they are driving in long 'blockades', unable to overtake and pass the slower drivers. No stats., just first hand experience on a daily basis.[/p][/quote]exactly MilesBond.... likewise iv'e been using the 127 for years and it's now a complete pain with these useless cameras.... drivers interpret them differently so at an indictaed 50 you still get tail gated by those who add on a margin, and you can't easily change lanes anymore because everyone is stuck like a robot, scared to speed up and unable to slow down..... the statistics trotted out in defence of cameras are manipulated nonsense (a bit like crime statistics) as a vain attempt to justify the white (or yellow) elephant they have created..... at least it appears that a few more people are finally realising it[/p][/quote]And you really believe those tail-gaters would not have been doing the same if you were driving at 70 or 80? I'm not sure what planet you drive on but it doesn't sound like it's the same as the rest of us! My journey home each day on the A127 has had far fewer major hold-ups from crashes since the cameras were switched on, so again I don't recognise the one you are talking about. What planet did you say??? Regards, Smiffy22[/p][/quote]seems like your on your own to me, and i don't recognise the statistics you seem so confident in referring to, there are numerous collisions still reported..... i will however agree with you on one point... if these idiots left a proper gap and used the slip roads correctly then filtering into traffic would indeed be as easy as you say.... i am bemused every evening by the muppets joining the 127 from A130 at fairglen..... why do they get to the top of the slip road (gradient bit) and stop !!! If these clowns used the full length of the slip way it would be so much easier to filter in as it should be done, i.e every other vehicle, and reduce the chaos on the roundabout below.....[/p][/quote]Pembury, I am in agreement with you, but you are forgetting one thing, you have no right of way to just join into traffic from a minor to a major (or slip roadonto the A127), the painted broken lines at the end of a slip way are Give Way lines, which means: be prepared to Stop, which people are doing. Sadly no one seems able to move over to help people join (by weight of traffic or ignorance I can't say). My personal belief for road management is that lane 1 should become the off/on slip road, meaning that continuing traffic would have to move to lane 2, but with plenty of notice, you'd hope people would zip filter. Rouge9
  • Score: -1

12:49pm Fri 28 Mar 14

smiffy22 says...

pembury53 wrote:
smiffy22 wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
MilesBond wrote: The 50mph average speed stretches of the A127 are a nightmare. I am sure someone in the pro camp will have some shiny stats to support the scheme, (they always do), but as someone who has driven on the A127 daily for the last ten years, I consider the restriction has done nothing but harm. Sometimes speeding up a little to allow clear access for vehicles joining from the left is the SAFEST manoeuvre. Instead we have created a legion of drivers doggedly sticking to the speed limit in fear of penalty, with little regard to what is happening around them. The number of accidents (many of which will not be recorded) and near misses between these 'robots' and the drivers attempting to join the flow of traffic is alarming. Particularly when they are driving in long 'blockades', unable to overtake and pass the slower drivers. No stats., just first hand experience on a daily basis.
exactly MilesBond.... likewise iv'e been using the 127 for years and it's now a complete pain with these useless cameras.... drivers interpret them differently so at an indictaed 50 you still get tail gated by those who add on a margin, and you can't easily change lanes anymore because everyone is stuck like a robot, scared to speed up and unable to slow down..... the statistics trotted out in defence of cameras are manipulated nonsense (a bit like crime statistics) as a vain attempt to justify the white (or yellow) elephant they have created..... at least it appears that a few more people are finally realising it
And you really believe those tail-gaters would not have been doing the same if you were driving at 70 or 80? I'm not sure what planet you drive on but it doesn't sound like it's the same as the rest of us! My journey home each day on the A127 has had far fewer major hold-ups from crashes since the cameras were switched on, so again I don't recognise the one you are talking about. What planet did you say??? Regards, Smiffy22
seems like your on your own to me, and i don't recognise the statistics you seem so confident in referring to, there are numerous collisions still reported..... i will however agree with you on one point... if these idiots left a proper gap and used the slip roads correctly then filtering into traffic would indeed be as easy as you say.... i am bemused every evening by the muppets joining the 127 from A130 at fairglen..... why do they get to the top of the slip road (gradient bit) and stop !!! If these clowns used the full length of the slip way it would be so much easier to filter in as it should be done, i.e every other vehicle, and reduce the chaos on the roundabout below.....
I haven't quoted statistics, I wrote about my own experience of daily rush-hour use of the road (I do also use it outside rush hour too of course). In any case I would always view government or "safety group" statistics with a healthy degree of cynicism. These can usually be presented in a way that says what they want to say. It's necessary to think about the numbers presented, and whether they are the full story. A classic example is "nnn crashes are caused by drivers over 65 years of age". Great headline, gets the younger (numpty) petol-heads baying for over 65s to be banned, but the fuller facts would probably indicate that just a small fraction of crashes are caused by over 65s in comparison to under 30s. But I digress a little. Insurance quotes will bear this out.
I agree with your comment re those that don't use much of the length of the slip road to merge, stooping at the start of the join is as daft as always leaving to the last few feet before moving over, and leads to a greater likelihood of gridlock back at the roundabout.
As I said earlier, people seem to make tough work of what should be a relatively straightforward manoeuvre.
I don't think I am as alone as you suggest in my opinion on the cameras, and in thinking these things through logically. I think these types of discussions are similar to the illegal drug discussions in that it excites great keyboard activity in those that feel hard done by in a subject. Clearly those with an inclination to a heavier right foot will feel affronted by the imposition of a speed limit, even if someone can demonstrate to them that it won't make any appreciable increase in their journey time (and as I said, in my view and my experience the average journey time over months is lower).
My apologies for the "other planet" jibes, by the way :-)
Regards,
Smiffy22
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smiffy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MilesBond[/bold] wrote: The 50mph average speed stretches of the A127 are a nightmare. I am sure someone in the pro camp will have some shiny stats to support the scheme, (they always do), but as someone who has driven on the A127 daily for the last ten years, I consider the restriction has done nothing but harm. Sometimes speeding up a little to allow clear access for vehicles joining from the left is the SAFEST manoeuvre. Instead we have created a legion of drivers doggedly sticking to the speed limit in fear of penalty, with little regard to what is happening around them. The number of accidents (many of which will not be recorded) and near misses between these 'robots' and the drivers attempting to join the flow of traffic is alarming. Particularly when they are driving in long 'blockades', unable to overtake and pass the slower drivers. No stats., just first hand experience on a daily basis.[/p][/quote]exactly MilesBond.... likewise iv'e been using the 127 for years and it's now a complete pain with these useless cameras.... drivers interpret them differently so at an indictaed 50 you still get tail gated by those who add on a margin, and you can't easily change lanes anymore because everyone is stuck like a robot, scared to speed up and unable to slow down..... the statistics trotted out in defence of cameras are manipulated nonsense (a bit like crime statistics) as a vain attempt to justify the white (or yellow) elephant they have created..... at least it appears that a few more people are finally realising it[/p][/quote]And you really believe those tail-gaters would not have been doing the same if you were driving at 70 or 80? I'm not sure what planet you drive on but it doesn't sound like it's the same as the rest of us! My journey home each day on the A127 has had far fewer major hold-ups from crashes since the cameras were switched on, so again I don't recognise the one you are talking about. What planet did you say??? Regards, Smiffy22[/p][/quote]seems like your on your own to me, and i don't recognise the statistics you seem so confident in referring to, there are numerous collisions still reported..... i will however agree with you on one point... if these idiots left a proper gap and used the slip roads correctly then filtering into traffic would indeed be as easy as you say.... i am bemused every evening by the muppets joining the 127 from A130 at fairglen..... why do they get to the top of the slip road (gradient bit) and stop !!! If these clowns used the full length of the slip way it would be so much easier to filter in as it should be done, i.e every other vehicle, and reduce the chaos on the roundabout below.....[/p][/quote]I haven't quoted statistics, I wrote about my own experience of daily rush-hour use of the road (I do also use it outside rush hour too of course). In any case I would always view government or "safety group" statistics with a healthy degree of cynicism. These can usually be presented in a way that says what they want to say. It's necessary to think about the numbers presented, and whether they are the full story. A classic example is "nnn crashes are caused by drivers over 65 years of age". Great headline, gets the younger (numpty) petol-heads baying for over 65s to be banned, but the fuller facts would probably indicate that just a small fraction of crashes are caused by over 65s in comparison to under 30s. But I digress a little. Insurance quotes will bear this out. I agree with your comment re those that don't use much of the length of the slip road to merge, stooping at the start of the join is as daft as always leaving to the last few feet before moving over, and leads to a greater likelihood of gridlock back at the roundabout. As I said earlier, people seem to make tough work of what should be a relatively straightforward manoeuvre. I don't think I am as alone as you suggest in my opinion on the cameras, and in thinking these things through logically. I think these types of discussions are similar to the illegal drug discussions in that it excites great keyboard activity in those that feel hard done by in a subject. Clearly those with an inclination to a heavier right foot will feel affronted by the imposition of a speed limit, even if someone can demonstrate to them that it won't make any appreciable increase in their journey time (and as I said, in my view and my experience the average journey time over months is lower). My apologies for the "other planet" jibes, by the way :-) Regards, Smiffy22 smiffy22
  • Score: 3

1:00pm Fri 28 Mar 14

smiffy22 says...

Rouge9 wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
smiffy22 wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
MilesBond wrote: The 50mph average speed stretches of the A127 are a nightmare. I am sure someone in the pro camp will have some shiny stats to support the scheme, (they always do), but as someone who has driven on the A127 daily for the last ten years, I consider the restriction has done nothing but harm. Sometimes speeding up a little to allow clear access for vehicles joining from the left is the SAFEST manoeuvre. Instead we have created a legion of drivers doggedly sticking to the speed limit in fear of penalty, with little regard to what is happening around them. The number of accidents (many of which will not be recorded) and near misses between these 'robots' and the drivers attempting to join the flow of traffic is alarming. Particularly when they are driving in long 'blockades', unable to overtake and pass the slower drivers. No stats., just first hand experience on a daily basis.
exactly MilesBond.... likewise iv'e been using the 127 for years and it's now a complete pain with these useless cameras.... drivers interpret them differently so at an indictaed 50 you still get tail gated by those who add on a margin, and you can't easily change lanes anymore because everyone is stuck like a robot, scared to speed up and unable to slow down..... the statistics trotted out in defence of cameras are manipulated nonsense (a bit like crime statistics) as a vain attempt to justify the white (or yellow) elephant they have created..... at least it appears that a few more people are finally realising it
And you really believe those tail-gaters would not have been doing the same if you were driving at 70 or 80? I'm not sure what planet you drive on but it doesn't sound like it's the same as the rest of us! My journey home each day on the A127 has had far fewer major hold-ups from crashes since the cameras were switched on, so again I don't recognise the one you are talking about. What planet did you say??? Regards, Smiffy22
seems like your on your own to me, and i don't recognise the statistics you seem so confident in referring to, there are numerous collisions still reported..... i will however agree with you on one point... if these idiots left a proper gap and used the slip roads correctly then filtering into traffic would indeed be as easy as you say.... i am bemused every evening by the muppets joining the 127 from A130 at fairglen..... why do they get to the top of the slip road (gradient bit) and stop !!! If these clowns used the full length of the slip way it would be so much easier to filter in as it should be done, i.e every other vehicle, and reduce the chaos on the roundabout below.....
Pembury, I am in agreement with you, but you are forgetting one thing, you have no right of way to just join into traffic from a minor to a major (or slip roadonto the A127), the painted broken lines at the end of a slip way are Give Way lines, which means: be prepared to Stop, which people are doing.

Sadly no one seems able to move over to help people join (by weight of traffic or ignorance I can't say). My personal belief for road management is that lane 1 should become the off/on slip road, meaning that continuing traffic would have to move to lane 2, but with plenty of notice, you'd hope people would zip filter.
I suspect the poster meant drivers were daft stopping at the start of the joined bit of the slip road, rather than the end.
The problem with the presumption that it's best to move over to allow people on to the main road is not ideal. I suspect a number of accidents are due to this manoeuvre, the "courteous" driver not having checked adequately for fast moving traffic on the right hand lane. Better that a reasonable gap is kept between cars on main road and slip road, affording an easy entry and allowing people to move to the right lane a little later and without rushing, as the left lane inevitably slows a little.
Making A127 traffic all move to the right lane on the approach to a slip road is one of those ideas that seems logical at first sight, but on closer examination is flawed. And in practice I would expect huge jams and greater number of collisions as people leave it to the last minute to go right. It works on motorways where there are many lanes and a mile or so of move-over opportunity, but I expect it's not for the A127.
Regards,
Smiffty22
[quote][p][bold]Rouge9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smiffy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MilesBond[/bold] wrote: The 50mph average speed stretches of the A127 are a nightmare. I am sure someone in the pro camp will have some shiny stats to support the scheme, (they always do), but as someone who has driven on the A127 daily for the last ten years, I consider the restriction has done nothing but harm. Sometimes speeding up a little to allow clear access for vehicles joining from the left is the SAFEST manoeuvre. Instead we have created a legion of drivers doggedly sticking to the speed limit in fear of penalty, with little regard to what is happening around them. The number of accidents (many of which will not be recorded) and near misses between these 'robots' and the drivers attempting to join the flow of traffic is alarming. Particularly when they are driving in long 'blockades', unable to overtake and pass the slower drivers. No stats., just first hand experience on a daily basis.[/p][/quote]exactly MilesBond.... likewise iv'e been using the 127 for years and it's now a complete pain with these useless cameras.... drivers interpret them differently so at an indictaed 50 you still get tail gated by those who add on a margin, and you can't easily change lanes anymore because everyone is stuck like a robot, scared to speed up and unable to slow down..... the statistics trotted out in defence of cameras are manipulated nonsense (a bit like crime statistics) as a vain attempt to justify the white (or yellow) elephant they have created..... at least it appears that a few more people are finally realising it[/p][/quote]And you really believe those tail-gaters would not have been doing the same if you were driving at 70 or 80? I'm not sure what planet you drive on but it doesn't sound like it's the same as the rest of us! My journey home each day on the A127 has had far fewer major hold-ups from crashes since the cameras were switched on, so again I don't recognise the one you are talking about. What planet did you say??? Regards, Smiffy22[/p][/quote]seems like your on your own to me, and i don't recognise the statistics you seem so confident in referring to, there are numerous collisions still reported..... i will however agree with you on one point... if these idiots left a proper gap and used the slip roads correctly then filtering into traffic would indeed be as easy as you say.... i am bemused every evening by the muppets joining the 127 from A130 at fairglen..... why do they get to the top of the slip road (gradient bit) and stop !!! If these clowns used the full length of the slip way it would be so much easier to filter in as it should be done, i.e every other vehicle, and reduce the chaos on the roundabout below.....[/p][/quote]Pembury, I am in agreement with you, but you are forgetting one thing, you have no right of way to just join into traffic from a minor to a major (or slip roadonto the A127), the painted broken lines at the end of a slip way are Give Way lines, which means: be prepared to Stop, which people are doing. Sadly no one seems able to move over to help people join (by weight of traffic or ignorance I can't say). My personal belief for road management is that lane 1 should become the off/on slip road, meaning that continuing traffic would have to move to lane 2, but with plenty of notice, you'd hope people would zip filter.[/p][/quote]I suspect the poster meant drivers were daft stopping at the start of the joined bit of the slip road, rather than the end. The problem with the presumption that it's best to move over to allow people on to the main road is not ideal. I suspect a number of accidents are due to this manoeuvre, the "courteous" driver not having checked adequately for fast moving traffic on the right hand lane. Better that a reasonable gap is kept between cars on main road and slip road, affording an easy entry and allowing people to move to the right lane a little later and without rushing, as the left lane inevitably slows a little. Making A127 traffic all move to the right lane on the approach to a slip road is one of those ideas that seems logical at first sight, but on closer examination is flawed. And in practice I would expect huge jams and greater number of collisions as people leave it to the last minute to go right. It works on motorways where there are many lanes and a mile or so of move-over opportunity, but I expect it's not for the A127. Regards, Smiffty22 smiffy22
  • Score: 2

2:25pm Fri 28 Mar 14

stopmoaning1 says...

How odd the headline to this story is;
‘50mph plan for A127 will harm businesses’

Yet I have read it a few times and can't see a connection. Am I missing something here?
How odd the headline to this story is; ‘50mph plan for A127 will harm businesses’ Yet I have read it a few times and can't see a connection. Am I missing something here? stopmoaning1
  • Score: 8

3:45pm Fri 28 Mar 14

the citizen says...

stopmoaning1 wrote:
How odd the headline to this story is;
‘50mph plan for A127 will harm businesses’

Yet I have read it a few times and can't see a connection. Am I missing something here?
You're quite right.....apart from the "they're after my money"crew NOBODY else (other than my initial post) has questioned how a reduction of speed and an increase of approx 4 minutes is going to hit business. If (as experience tells us) there are likely to be fewer hold-ups then surely business would actually benefit. They would get deliveries when they should and it would even save a few pounds on vehicle maintenance and running costs. There seems to be more reaction against this being monitored by cameras (which I can understand, but if we are keeping to limits should not be a problem) and complaints against bad driving which happens even at the 70mph limit anyway. That can be addressed by better signage to encourage "zip filing" where lanes can merge. Could the incoming Leader of the Council explain his logic please regarding loss of business?
[quote][p][bold]stopmoaning1[/bold] wrote: How odd the headline to this story is; ‘50mph plan for A127 will harm businesses’ Yet I have read it a few times and can't see a connection. Am I missing something here?[/p][/quote]You're quite right.....apart from the "they're after my money"crew NOBODY else (other than my initial post) has questioned how a reduction of speed and an increase of approx 4 minutes is going to hit business. If (as experience tells us) there are likely to be fewer hold-ups then surely business would actually benefit. They would get deliveries when they should and it would even save a few pounds on vehicle maintenance and running costs. There seems to be more reaction against this being monitored by cameras (which I can understand, but if we are keeping to limits should not be a problem) and complaints against bad driving which happens even at the 70mph limit anyway. That can be addressed by better signage to encourage "zip filing" where lanes can merge. Could the incoming Leader of the Council explain his logic please regarding loss of business? the citizen
  • Score: 4

6:53pm Fri 28 Mar 14

niki-loo says...

don't see how it will change much, i always seem to get stuck behind a muppet who's going 50 in the fast lane when its clearly 70. *sigh*
don't see how it will change much, i always seem to get stuck behind a muppet who's going 50 in the fast lane when its clearly 70. *sigh* niki-loo
  • Score: -3

9:49am Wed 2 Apr 14

JayRSS1 says...

smiffy22 wrote:
JayRSS1 wrote:
These cameras have you watching your speedo instead of the road. There are always accidents reported at Rayleigh Weir in the Echo. If these speed restrictions are so wonderful why are there so many accidents on this stretch of the 127?
Good grief, if your driving skills are so poor you need to stare at the speedo longer than is safe, perhaps you should hang up your driving license and buy a bus pass.
Yes, there are will always be accidents, the knuckle-scrapers will always manage to stove the car in front somehow. All that can be done is to reduce the number of accidents and/or at least reduce the severity of the accidents. The latter will make the biggest difference, both to the injury severity and to the delays caused to other drivers.
In my experience the A127 average speed cameras made a huge difference - far fewer long delays on my daily drive to and from work.
Regards,
Smiffy22
So as your previous quotes, you are quite happy for additional traffic on the A13 and other residential roads, which is probably why your journey is better. Your argument is one dimensional and doesn't reflect the whole picture.
I don't normally have to stare at my speedo but I can tell the people who do as I pull out of Rayleigh junction as their heads are down and are totally oblivious to anyone coming up beside them and who cannot pull to the right hand lane or accelerate forward anyway due to traffic compacting with everyone at 50. You'll find that The traffic is condensed much too tight where stopping distances are irrelevant, and when traffic is this tightly bunched your attention should be on the road and your mirrors.
The 127 is there as a main artery to make traffic flow better not to divert traffic to the A13 and other residential zones.
The A13 where it is at the current national speed limit is fine, and I have been held up far less on the A13 than the 127 which is why I avoid it when I can. There is only one difference between these roads and that is the cameras.
Next you'll be wanting speed humps
[quote][p][bold]smiffy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JayRSS1[/bold] wrote: These cameras have you watching your speedo instead of the road. There are always accidents reported at Rayleigh Weir in the Echo. If these speed restrictions are so wonderful why are there so many accidents on this stretch of the 127?[/p][/quote]Good grief, if your driving skills are so poor you need to stare at the speedo longer than is safe, perhaps you should hang up your driving license and buy a bus pass. Yes, there are will always be accidents, the knuckle-scrapers will always manage to stove the car in front somehow. All that can be done is to reduce the number of accidents and/or at least reduce the severity of the accidents. The latter will make the biggest difference, both to the injury severity and to the delays caused to other drivers. In my experience the A127 average speed cameras made a huge difference - far fewer long delays on my daily drive to and from work. Regards, Smiffy22[/p][/quote]So as your previous quotes, you are quite happy for additional traffic on the A13 and other residential roads, which is probably why your journey is better. Your argument is one dimensional and doesn't reflect the whole picture. I don't normally have to stare at my speedo but I can tell the people who do as I pull out of Rayleigh junction as their heads are down and are totally oblivious to anyone coming up beside them and who cannot pull to the right hand lane or accelerate forward anyway due to traffic compacting with everyone at 50. You'll find that The traffic is condensed much too tight where stopping distances are irrelevant, and when traffic is this tightly bunched your attention should be on the road and your mirrors. The 127 is there as a main artery to make traffic flow better not to divert traffic to the A13 and other residential zones. The A13 where it is at the current national speed limit is fine, and I have been held up far less on the A13 than the 127 which is why I avoid it when I can. There is only one difference between these roads and that is the cameras. Next you'll be wanting speed humps JayRSS1
  • Score: 1

8:21pm Wed 2 Apr 14

fattybasil says...

JayRSS1 wrote:
smiffy22 wrote:
JayRSS1 wrote:
These cameras have you watching your speedo instead of the road. There are always accidents reported at Rayleigh Weir in the Echo. If these speed restrictions are so wonderful why are there so many accidents on this stretch of the 127?
Good grief, if your driving skills are so poor you need to stare at the speedo longer than is safe, perhaps you should hang up your driving license and buy a bus pass.
Yes, there are will always be accidents, the knuckle-scrapers will always manage to stove the car in front somehow. All that can be done is to reduce the number of accidents and/or at least reduce the severity of the accidents. The latter will make the biggest difference, both to the injury severity and to the delays caused to other drivers.
In my experience the A127 average speed cameras made a huge difference - far fewer long delays on my daily drive to and from work.
Regards,
Smiffy22
So as your previous quotes, you are quite happy for additional traffic on the A13 and other residential roads, which is probably why your journey is better. Your argument is one dimensional and doesn't reflect the whole picture.
I don't normally have to stare at my speedo but I can tell the people who do as I pull out of Rayleigh junction as their heads are down and are totally oblivious to anyone coming up beside them and who cannot pull to the right hand lane or accelerate forward anyway due to traffic compacting with everyone at 50. You'll find that The traffic is condensed much too tight where stopping distances are irrelevant, and when traffic is this tightly bunched your attention should be on the road and your mirrors.
The 127 is there as a main artery to make traffic flow better not to divert traffic to the A13 and other residential zones.
The A13 where it is at the current national speed limit is fine, and I have been held up far less on the A13 than the 127 which is why I avoid it when I can. There is only one difference between these roads and that is the cameras.
Next you'll be wanting speed humps
You forgot to say regards.
Fatty basil
[quote][p][bold]JayRSS1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smiffy22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JayRSS1[/bold] wrote: These cameras have you watching your speedo instead of the road. There are always accidents reported at Rayleigh Weir in the Echo. If these speed restrictions are so wonderful why are there so many accidents on this stretch of the 127?[/p][/quote]Good grief, if your driving skills are so poor you need to stare at the speedo longer than is safe, perhaps you should hang up your driving license and buy a bus pass. Yes, there are will always be accidents, the knuckle-scrapers will always manage to stove the car in front somehow. All that can be done is to reduce the number of accidents and/or at least reduce the severity of the accidents. The latter will make the biggest difference, both to the injury severity and to the delays caused to other drivers. In my experience the A127 average speed cameras made a huge difference - far fewer long delays on my daily drive to and from work. Regards, Smiffy22[/p][/quote]So as your previous quotes, you are quite happy for additional traffic on the A13 and other residential roads, which is probably why your journey is better. Your argument is one dimensional and doesn't reflect the whole picture. I don't normally have to stare at my speedo but I can tell the people who do as I pull out of Rayleigh junction as their heads are down and are totally oblivious to anyone coming up beside them and who cannot pull to the right hand lane or accelerate forward anyway due to traffic compacting with everyone at 50. You'll find that The traffic is condensed much too tight where stopping distances are irrelevant, and when traffic is this tightly bunched your attention should be on the road and your mirrors. The 127 is there as a main artery to make traffic flow better not to divert traffic to the A13 and other residential zones. The A13 where it is at the current national speed limit is fine, and I have been held up far less on the A13 than the 127 which is why I avoid it when I can. There is only one difference between these roads and that is the cameras. Next you'll be wanting speed humps[/p][/quote]You forgot to say regards. Fatty basil fattybasil
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