Southend's beaches miss out on Blue Flag status for second year

Echo: Broken glass on East Beach, Shoebury Broken glass on East Beach, Shoebury

ALL Southend’s beaches have won top awards for cleanliness – but still fail to meet the strict standards needed for Blue Flag status.

Keep Britain Tidy has awarded all seven beaches around Southend Seaside Awards, which recognise quality, management, cleanliness and safety.

But Southend Council failed to enter any of the beaches for the charity’s internationally-recognised Blue Flag status as it admits water is not yet clean enough.

Lynn Jones, the council’s resort services manager, said: “We did not apply for Blue Flags in 2014, but are very pleased to have picked up seven seaside awards which reflect the quality, management, cleanliness and safety of our beaches.

“To win a Seaside Award all beaches must meet the required European Union standards, which ours have for a number of years and continue to do so.

“However, to achieve a Blue Flag, water quality has to be considered ‘excellent’ for around 90 per cent of the time over four years. This is under the much tougher revised bathing water directive.”

The last three of the town’s beaches to have Blue Flag status, East Beach and Shoebury Common in Shoebury and Three Shells in Southend, lost the award last year.

The Environment Agency warned Bell Wharf Beach in Leigh and Chalkwell Beach could miss new EU standards coming into force next year.

The council believes all beaches are close to achieving Blue Flag water quality standards after a joint project by the authority, the Environment Agency and Anglian Water last year, in which 133 misconnected drains spewing raw sewage into the estuary were identified.

But the previous poor record over four years counts against the town.

Ms Jones said: “Our water quality has not changed, but the standard required to get a Blue Flag has significantly risen. We knew that we would not meet that standard this year so only applied for the Seaside Awards.”

“All of our bathing waters reach the ‘mandatory’ level and some are moving towards the excellent category.”

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8:10am Wed 21 May 14

Sir Peter Pantsless the 3rd says...

Fact of the matter is Southend Council failed to make the grade (again), and in the article above there is no mention of what Southend Council is going to do about it.
All their is in their response is a load of spin and poor excuses.
Ms Jones's position should seriously be considered.
Fact of the matter is Southend Council failed to make the grade (again), and in the article above there is no mention of what Southend Council is going to do about it. All their is in their response is a load of spin and poor excuses. Ms Jones's position should seriously be considered. Sir Peter Pantsless the 3rd
  • Score: 9

8:22am Wed 21 May 14

Kim Gandy says...

They need to start imposing spot fines then on the scruffs that dump their rubbish all over the place.

Quite why people can't take carrier bags to the beach with them to bring back and dump their own rubbish in bins is totally beyond me.

It's not rocket science.
They need to start imposing spot fines then on the scruffs that dump their rubbish all over the place. Quite why people can't take carrier bags to the beach with them to bring back and dump their own rubbish in bins is totally beyond me. It's not rocket science. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 15

9:13am Wed 21 May 14

Gaz Michaels says...

Sir Peter Pantsless the 3rd wrote:
Fact of the matter is Southend Council failed to make the grade (again), and in the article above there is no mention of what Southend Council is going to do about it.
All their is in their response is a load of spin and poor excuses.
Ms Jones's position should seriously be considered.
You may want to re-read the article; the beaches passed in terms of cleanliness which speaks volumes for the council team who clear the tons of litter people leave behind.

The beaches failed to get Blue Flag status because of the water quality not reaching the higher standards required. And improving the quality of water that comes out of London is mainly out of the council's control. I'm no fan of the current council, but to slate them in the way you do is just a teensy bit ignorant, shall we say?
[quote][p][bold]Sir Peter Pantsless the 3rd[/bold] wrote: Fact of the matter is Southend Council failed to make the grade (again), and in the article above there is no mention of what Southend Council is going to do about it. All their is in their response is a load of spin and poor excuses. Ms Jones's position should seriously be considered.[/p][/quote]You may want to re-read the article; the beaches passed in terms of cleanliness which speaks volumes for the council team who clear the tons of litter people leave behind. The beaches failed to get Blue Flag status because of the water quality not reaching the higher standards required. And improving the quality of water that comes out of London is mainly out of the council's control. I'm no fan of the current council, but to slate them in the way you do is just a teensy bit ignorant, shall we say? Gaz Michaels
  • Score: 3

9:22am Wed 21 May 14

pembury53 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
They need to start imposing spot fines then on the scruffs that dump their rubbish all over the place. Quite why people can't take carrier bags to the beach with them to bring back and dump their own rubbish in bins is totally beyond me. It's not rocket science.
I think your missing the point a bit kim..... they can, and its not rocket science, but frankly, they couldn't give a s**t
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: They need to start imposing spot fines then on the scruffs that dump their rubbish all over the place. Quite why people can't take carrier bags to the beach with them to bring back and dump their own rubbish in bins is totally beyond me. It's not rocket science.[/p][/quote]I think your missing the point a bit kim..... they can, and its not rocket science, but frankly, they couldn't give a s**t pembury53
  • Score: 1

9:32am Wed 21 May 14

Alice in Her Own Land :P says...

The traders, while enjoying the wonderful weather on the sea-front when it happens, are responsible for a lot of the packaging to be found littered along the front after the bins are filled and the rest of the rubbish overflowing around them. Would it be possible for there to be a reduction in food packaging regarding take-aways?
On the other hand, bins should be emptied every couple of hours by the council refuse removers so the rubbish is kept under control and not allowed to pile up.
Not everyone is untidy on the beaches. It's the lazy, ignorant people who see a full bin and won't take it their rubbish any further or just leave it where they sit, that are and they give all people who use the beach a bad name.
The traders, while enjoying the wonderful weather on the sea-front when it happens, are responsible for a lot of the packaging to be found littered along the front after the bins are filled and the rest of the rubbish overflowing around them. Would it be possible for there to be a reduction in food packaging regarding take-aways? On the other hand, bins should be emptied every couple of hours by the council refuse removers so the rubbish is kept under control and not allowed to pile up. Not everyone is untidy on the beaches. It's the lazy, ignorant people who see a full bin and won't take it their rubbish any further or just leave it where they sit, that are and they give all people who use the beach a bad name. Alice in Her Own Land :P
  • Score: 1

9:50am Wed 21 May 14

Happy Chickie says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
They need to start imposing spot fines then on the scruffs that dump their rubbish all over the place.

Quite why people can't take carrier bags to the beach with them to bring back and dump their own rubbish in bins is totally beyond me.

It's not rocket science.
They need to impose fines on all people who litter, including those who drop their fag ends.

100 quid fine, and if they don't pay toss them in jail for a couple of days.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: They need to start imposing spot fines then on the scruffs that dump their rubbish all over the place. Quite why people can't take carrier bags to the beach with them to bring back and dump their own rubbish in bins is totally beyond me. It's not rocket science.[/p][/quote]They need to impose fines on all people who litter, including those who drop their fag ends. 100 quid fine, and if they don't pay toss them in jail for a couple of days. Happy Chickie
  • Score: 0

10:07am Wed 21 May 14

jayman says...

Southend beaches...

The geology of predominantly London clays, slits and gravel form a Alluvial basin in which flows the estuary of the river Thames. A shallow trench dominates the centre of the estuary which was formed by a slow moving glacier during the last ice age.

Low lying, harsh and rugged sea marshes form the outer boundaries of the estuary where industrial development or land reclamation has not occurred.

Southend Itself is situated on the north bank of the estuary where a expanse of tidal mud flats dominates the seascape at low tide. untreated discharges from London sewer outflows occur during times of heavy rainfall. the beaches themselves have been artificially raised with course sands and shingles. Unusually and without grounded reason 'palm trees' have been planted at various locations along the beach. Given a set of conditions, southends beaches can resemble both a landfill and an open tidal sewer.... with aforementioned palm trees that insignificantly distract the eye from this industrial, polluted and unsavoury vista....
Southend beaches... The geology of predominantly London clays, slits and gravel form a Alluvial basin in which flows the estuary of the river Thames. A shallow trench dominates the centre of the estuary which was formed by a slow moving glacier during the last ice age. Low lying, harsh and rugged sea marshes form the outer boundaries of the estuary where industrial development or land reclamation has not occurred. Southend Itself is situated on the north bank of the estuary where a expanse of tidal mud flats dominates the seascape at low tide. untreated discharges from London sewer outflows occur during times of heavy rainfall. the beaches themselves have been artificially raised with course sands and shingles. Unusually and without grounded reason 'palm trees' have been planted at various locations along the beach. Given a set of conditions, southends beaches can resemble both a landfill and an open tidal sewer.... with aforementioned palm trees that insignificantly distract the eye from this industrial, polluted and unsavoury vista.... jayman
  • Score: -2

12:44pm Wed 21 May 14

Southend Andy says...

If in doubt blame SBC. Why do people complain about the council if the council can't do any thing about it. They can't help what is in the water. What next people complain its the councils fault we don't get a summer!
If in doubt blame SBC. Why do people complain about the council if the council can't do any thing about it. They can't help what is in the water. What next people complain its the councils fault we don't get a summer! Southend Andy
  • Score: 3

1:03pm Wed 21 May 14

Tom from Southend says...

If only people could read properly. AWA and the EA discharge into the estuary not the Council. AWA and EA are working to improve this. People don't want to pay more taxes so their budgets do not allow for required investment to improve this as quickly as we would like.
When driving to work along the seafront the morning after a bank holiday weekend the Council do a great job of cleaning up 'other peoples' mess. Its spotless. Just look at what people drop over the course of a day. The Council don't drop it, the public does. Please read the article and try to understand the facts.
If only people could read properly. AWA and the EA discharge into the estuary not the Council. AWA and EA are working to improve this. People don't want to pay more taxes so their budgets do not allow for required investment to improve this as quickly as we would like. When driving to work along the seafront the morning after a bank holiday weekend the Council do a great job of cleaning up 'other peoples' mess. Its spotless. Just look at what people drop over the course of a day. The Council don't drop it, the public does. Please read the article and try to understand the facts. Tom from Southend
  • Score: 3

3:30pm Wed 21 May 14

whateverhappened says...

jayman wrote:
Southend beaches... The geology of predominantly London clays, slits and gravel form a Alluvial basin in which flows the estuary of the river Thames. A shallow trench dominates the centre of the estuary which was formed by a slow moving glacier during the last ice age. Low lying, harsh and rugged sea marshes form the outer boundaries of the estuary where industrial development or land reclamation has not occurred. Southend Itself is situated on the north bank of the estuary where a expanse of tidal mud flats dominates the seascape at low tide. untreated discharges from London sewer outflows occur during times of heavy rainfall. the beaches themselves have been artificially raised with course sands and shingles. Unusually and without grounded reason 'palm trees' have been planted at various locations along the beach. Given a set of conditions, southends beaches can resemble both a landfill and an open tidal sewer.... with aforementioned palm trees that insignificantly distract the eye from this industrial, polluted and unsavoury vista....
And no doubt the Tory goverment were responsible for the aformentioned ice age which was all down to benefit cuts,
.
.
but if only the council doled out fines for littering the sea front as efficiently as they do for parking down there it would be spotless or the council rich.
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Southend beaches... The geology of predominantly London clays, slits and gravel form a Alluvial basin in which flows the estuary of the river Thames. A shallow trench dominates the centre of the estuary which was formed by a slow moving glacier during the last ice age. Low lying, harsh and rugged sea marshes form the outer boundaries of the estuary where industrial development or land reclamation has not occurred. Southend Itself is situated on the north bank of the estuary where a expanse of tidal mud flats dominates the seascape at low tide. untreated discharges from London sewer outflows occur during times of heavy rainfall. the beaches themselves have been artificially raised with course sands and shingles. Unusually and without grounded reason 'palm trees' have been planted at various locations along the beach. Given a set of conditions, southends beaches can resemble both a landfill and an open tidal sewer.... with aforementioned palm trees that insignificantly distract the eye from this industrial, polluted and unsavoury vista....[/p][/quote]And no doubt the Tory goverment were responsible for the aformentioned ice age which was all down to benefit cuts, . . but if only the council doled out fines for littering the sea front as efficiently as they do for parking down there it would be spotless or the council rich. whateverhappened
  • Score: 3

4:37pm Wed 21 May 14

Howard Cháse says...

When beach users are playing dodge the richards while paddling it's no wonder the blue flag is not flying along the estuary.
When beach users are playing dodge the richards while paddling it's no wonder the blue flag is not flying along the estuary. Howard Cháse
  • Score: 0

6:38pm Wed 21 May 14

Living the La Vida Legra says...

Funny how Thant has the most blue flags in the country?
Funny how Thant has the most blue flags in the country? Living the La Vida Legra
  • Score: 0

8:12pm Wed 21 May 14

abd123 says...

It seems strange how people are still blaming the Council despite it being made plain that the water quality is nothing they can fix and it is mainly up to Anglian Water. A recent article showed that many premises are discharging foul water into storm water drains which discharge into the sea. There is no problem with litter etc on the beach. Comments about resembling a landfill are the direct opposite of what the Blue Flag inspectors found.
It seems strange how people are still blaming the Council despite it being made plain that the water quality is nothing they can fix and it is mainly up to Anglian Water. A recent article showed that many premises are discharging foul water into storm water drains which discharge into the sea. There is no problem with litter etc on the beach. Comments about resembling a landfill are the direct opposite of what the Blue Flag inspectors found. abd123
  • Score: 0

11:18pm Wed 21 May 14

jayman says...

whateverhappened wrote:
jayman wrote:
Southend beaches... The geology of predominantly London clays, slits and gravel form a Alluvial basin in which flows the estuary of the river Thames. A shallow trench dominates the centre of the estuary which was formed by a slow moving glacier during the last ice age. Low lying, harsh and rugged sea marshes form the outer boundaries of the estuary where industrial development or land reclamation has not occurred. Southend Itself is situated on the north bank of the estuary where a expanse of tidal mud flats dominates the seascape at low tide. untreated discharges from London sewer outflows occur during times of heavy rainfall. the beaches themselves have been artificially raised with course sands and shingles. Unusually and without grounded reason 'palm trees' have been planted at various locations along the beach. Given a set of conditions, southends beaches can resemble both a landfill and an open tidal sewer.... with aforementioned palm trees that insignificantly distract the eye from this industrial, polluted and unsavoury vista....
And no doubt the Tory goverment were responsible for the aformentioned ice age which was all down to benefit cuts,
.
.
but if only the council doled out fines for littering the sea front as efficiently as they do for parking down there it would be spotless or the council rich.
"And no doubt the Tory government were responsible for the aforementioned ice age"

I note with interest that both the last ice age and the Tory party have a connection to self interested Neanderthals. The previous set of Neanderthals became extinct. Hopefully their present day Tory counterparts will simply become irrelevant..
[quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Southend beaches... The geology of predominantly London clays, slits and gravel form a Alluvial basin in which flows the estuary of the river Thames. A shallow trench dominates the centre of the estuary which was formed by a slow moving glacier during the last ice age. Low lying, harsh and rugged sea marshes form the outer boundaries of the estuary where industrial development or land reclamation has not occurred. Southend Itself is situated on the north bank of the estuary where a expanse of tidal mud flats dominates the seascape at low tide. untreated discharges from London sewer outflows occur during times of heavy rainfall. the beaches themselves have been artificially raised with course sands and shingles. Unusually and without grounded reason 'palm trees' have been planted at various locations along the beach. Given a set of conditions, southends beaches can resemble both a landfill and an open tidal sewer.... with aforementioned palm trees that insignificantly distract the eye from this industrial, polluted and unsavoury vista....[/p][/quote]And no doubt the Tory goverment were responsible for the aformentioned ice age which was all down to benefit cuts, . . but if only the council doled out fines for littering the sea front as efficiently as they do for parking down there it would be spotless or the council rich.[/p][/quote]"And no doubt the Tory government were responsible for the aforementioned ice age" I note with interest that both the last ice age and the Tory party have a connection to self interested Neanderthals. The previous set of Neanderthals became extinct. Hopefully their present day Tory counterparts will simply become irrelevant.. jayman
  • Score: -2

7:01pm Thu 22 May 14

sesibollox says...

jayman wrote:
whateverhappened wrote:
jayman wrote:
Southend beaches... The geology of predominantly London clays, slits and gravel form a Alluvial basin in which flows the estuary of the river Thames. A shallow trench dominates the centre of the estuary which was formed by a slow moving glacier during the last ice age. Low lying, harsh and rugged sea marshes form the outer boundaries of the estuary where industrial development or land reclamation has not occurred. Southend Itself is situated on the north bank of the estuary where a expanse of tidal mud flats dominates the seascape at low tide. untreated discharges from London sewer outflows occur during times of heavy rainfall. the beaches themselves have been artificially raised with course sands and shingles. Unusually and without grounded reason 'palm trees' have been planted at various locations along the beach. Given a set of conditions, southends beaches can resemble both a landfill and an open tidal sewer.... with aforementioned palm trees that insignificantly distract the eye from this industrial, polluted and unsavoury vista....
And no doubt the Tory goverment were responsible for the aformentioned ice age which was all down to benefit cuts,
.
.
but if only the council doled out fines for littering the sea front as efficiently as they do for parking down there it would be spotless or the council rich.
"And no doubt the Tory government were responsible for the aforementioned ice age"

I note with interest that both the last ice age and the Tory party have a connection to self interested Neanderthals. The previous set of Neanderthals became extinct. Hopefully their present day Tory counterparts will simply become irrelevant..
GET A JOB
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Southend beaches... The geology of predominantly London clays, slits and gravel form a Alluvial basin in which flows the estuary of the river Thames. A shallow trench dominates the centre of the estuary which was formed by a slow moving glacier during the last ice age. Low lying, harsh and rugged sea marshes form the outer boundaries of the estuary where industrial development or land reclamation has not occurred. Southend Itself is situated on the north bank of the estuary where a expanse of tidal mud flats dominates the seascape at low tide. untreated discharges from London sewer outflows occur during times of heavy rainfall. the beaches themselves have been artificially raised with course sands and shingles. Unusually and without grounded reason 'palm trees' have been planted at various locations along the beach. Given a set of conditions, southends beaches can resemble both a landfill and an open tidal sewer.... with aforementioned palm trees that insignificantly distract the eye from this industrial, polluted and unsavoury vista....[/p][/quote]And no doubt the Tory goverment were responsible for the aformentioned ice age which was all down to benefit cuts, . . but if only the council doled out fines for littering the sea front as efficiently as they do for parking down there it would be spotless or the council rich.[/p][/quote]"And no doubt the Tory government were responsible for the aforementioned ice age" I note with interest that both the last ice age and the Tory party have a connection to self interested Neanderthals. The previous set of Neanderthals became extinct. Hopefully their present day Tory counterparts will simply become irrelevant..[/p][/quote]GET A JOB sesibollox
  • Score: 0

7:57pm Thu 22 May 14

jayman says...

sesibollox wrote:
jayman wrote:
whateverhappened wrote:
jayman wrote:
Southend beaches... The geology of predominantly London clays, slits and gravel form a Alluvial basin in which flows the estuary of the river Thames. A shallow trench dominates the centre of the estuary which was formed by a slow moving glacier during the last ice age. Low lying, harsh and rugged sea marshes form the outer boundaries of the estuary where industrial development or land reclamation has not occurred. Southend Itself is situated on the north bank of the estuary where a expanse of tidal mud flats dominates the seascape at low tide. untreated discharges from London sewer outflows occur during times of heavy rainfall. the beaches themselves have been artificially raised with course sands and shingles. Unusually and without grounded reason 'palm trees' have been planted at various locations along the beach. Given a set of conditions, southends beaches can resemble both a landfill and an open tidal sewer.... with aforementioned palm trees that insignificantly distract the eye from this industrial, polluted and unsavoury vista....
And no doubt the Tory goverment were responsible for the aformentioned ice age which was all down to benefit cuts,
.
.
but if only the council doled out fines for littering the sea front as efficiently as they do for parking down there it would be spotless or the council rich.
"And no doubt the Tory government were responsible for the aforementioned ice age"

I note with interest that both the last ice age and the Tory party have a connection to self interested Neanderthals. The previous set of Neanderthals became extinct. Hopefully their present day Tory counterparts will simply become irrelevant..
GET A JOB
Got one thanks... Day off today. Tory social assumptions, tsk
[quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Southend beaches... The geology of predominantly London clays, slits and gravel form a Alluvial basin in which flows the estuary of the river Thames. A shallow trench dominates the centre of the estuary which was formed by a slow moving glacier during the last ice age. Low lying, harsh and rugged sea marshes form the outer boundaries of the estuary where industrial development or land reclamation has not occurred. Southend Itself is situated on the north bank of the estuary where a expanse of tidal mud flats dominates the seascape at low tide. untreated discharges from London sewer outflows occur during times of heavy rainfall. the beaches themselves have been artificially raised with course sands and shingles. Unusually and without grounded reason 'palm trees' have been planted at various locations along the beach. Given a set of conditions, southends beaches can resemble both a landfill and an open tidal sewer.... with aforementioned palm trees that insignificantly distract the eye from this industrial, polluted and unsavoury vista....[/p][/quote]And no doubt the Tory goverment were responsible for the aformentioned ice age which was all down to benefit cuts, . . but if only the council doled out fines for littering the sea front as efficiently as they do for parking down there it would be spotless or the council rich.[/p][/quote]"And no doubt the Tory government were responsible for the aforementioned ice age" I note with interest that both the last ice age and the Tory party have a connection to self interested Neanderthals. The previous set of Neanderthals became extinct. Hopefully their present day Tory counterparts will simply become irrelevant..[/p][/quote]GET A JOB[/p][/quote]Got one thanks... Day off today. Tory social assumptions, tsk jayman
  • Score: 0

8:07pm Thu 22 May 14

Living the La Vida Legra says...

jayman wrote:
sesibollox wrote:
jayman wrote:
whateverhappened wrote:
jayman wrote: Southend beaches... The geology of predominantly London clays, slits and gravel form a Alluvial basin in which flows the estuary of the river Thames. A shallow trench dominates the centre of the estuary which was formed by a slow moving glacier during the last ice age. Low lying, harsh and rugged sea marshes form the outer boundaries of the estuary where industrial development or land reclamation has not occurred. Southend Itself is situated on the north bank of the estuary where a expanse of tidal mud flats dominates the seascape at low tide. untreated discharges from London sewer outflows occur during times of heavy rainfall. the beaches themselves have been artificially raised with course sands and shingles. Unusually and without grounded reason 'palm trees' have been planted at various locations along the beach. Given a set of conditions, southends beaches can resemble both a landfill and an open tidal sewer.... with aforementioned palm trees that insignificantly distract the eye from this industrial, polluted and unsavoury vista....
And no doubt the Tory goverment were responsible for the aformentioned ice age which was all down to benefit cuts, . . but if only the council doled out fines for littering the sea front as efficiently as they do for parking down there it would be spotless or the council rich.
"And no doubt the Tory government were responsible for the aforementioned ice age" I note with interest that both the last ice age and the Tory party have a connection to self interested Neanderthals. The previous set of Neanderthals became extinct. Hopefully their present day Tory counterparts will simply become irrelevant..
GET A JOB
Got one thanks... Day off today. Tory social assumptions, tsk
Really?
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sesibollox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whateverhappened[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: Southend beaches... The geology of predominantly London clays, slits and gravel form a Alluvial basin in which flows the estuary of the river Thames. A shallow trench dominates the centre of the estuary which was formed by a slow moving glacier during the last ice age. Low lying, harsh and rugged sea marshes form the outer boundaries of the estuary where industrial development or land reclamation has not occurred. Southend Itself is situated on the north bank of the estuary where a expanse of tidal mud flats dominates the seascape at low tide. untreated discharges from London sewer outflows occur during times of heavy rainfall. the beaches themselves have been artificially raised with course sands and shingles. Unusually and without grounded reason 'palm trees' have been planted at various locations along the beach. Given a set of conditions, southends beaches can resemble both a landfill and an open tidal sewer.... with aforementioned palm trees that insignificantly distract the eye from this industrial, polluted and unsavoury vista....[/p][/quote]And no doubt the Tory goverment were responsible for the aformentioned ice age which was all down to benefit cuts, . . but if only the council doled out fines for littering the sea front as efficiently as they do for parking down there it would be spotless or the council rich.[/p][/quote]"And no doubt the Tory government were responsible for the aforementioned ice age" I note with interest that both the last ice age and the Tory party have a connection to self interested Neanderthals. The previous set of Neanderthals became extinct. Hopefully their present day Tory counterparts will simply become irrelevant..[/p][/quote]GET A JOB[/p][/quote]Got one thanks... Day off today. Tory social assumptions, tsk[/p][/quote]Really? Living the La Vida Legra
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