Southend Air Show cancelled and pier shut in budget cutbacks

Southend Air Show scrapped and pier shut in budget cutbacks

Southend Air Show scrapped and pier shut in budget cutbacks

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SOUTHEND Air Show will be cancelled and the pier will close two days a week as Southend Council struggles to balance its books.

Council tax will rise by 1.75 per cent – 38p per week for Band D properties – and the authority will slash more than £10million from its budget as it deals with a £3.2million drop in government funding.

A total of 80 jobs will be lost in the cutbacks, although 41 are already vacant posts.

Council leader Nigel Holdcroft said: “We no longer have any leeway and we have to make real cuts to services in order to balance our books - and that involves making some very hard choices.

“Some of the savings we are proposing won’t be popular with residents but I would ask them to bear in mind that this crisis was not of our making.”

The closure of Southend Pier on Mondays and Tuesdays between November 1 and April 1 will save £50,000 and ceasing to hold the popular air show, which brings hundreds of thousands of tourists to the town, will save a further £130,000.

Other cuts include £1.8million to adult and community services, £1.7million to children and learning, £1.3 to enterprise tourism and the environment, £794,000 to support services and £846,000 to the corporate department.

And austerity looks set to continue as government funding is expected to drop by a further 8.9 per cent - £6.834million – in 2014-15.

Mr Holdcroft said: “These difficult financial conditions are not going to improve any time soon and we will have further difficult decisions to make in years to come.

“We are determined not to make decisions on a short-term year-by-year basis and have already begun looking at how we can make major savings in service delivery going forward.

“We have to take a new approach to how we provide libraries, museums, leisure facilities, old people’s homes, children’s centres and waste services.”

For full details of the budget and analysis see Tuesday’s Echo.

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5:09pm Mon 14 Jan 13

notinwestcliffanymore says...

Should add a P.S at the bottom stating that the 20 million pound library is still on the cards as is a mueseum in the cliffs oh and the palm trees are flourishing.
Should add a P.S at the bottom stating that the 20 million pound library is still on the cards as is a mueseum in the cliffs oh and the palm trees are flourishing. notinwestcliffanymore
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5:14pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Max Impact says...

Scrapping the airshow will please few but the nimbys and down sayers. But why a photo of Clacton!
Scrapping the airshow will please few but the nimbys and down sayers. But why a photo of Clacton! Max Impact
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5:14pm Mon 14 Jan 13

sjwilson says...

Are they Crazy? Out of touch council, why not sack a few councillors instead of denying people the joy of the airshow?
Are they Crazy? Out of touch council, why not sack a few councillors instead of denying people the joy of the airshow? sjwilson
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5:17pm Mon 14 Jan 13

ChampKind says...

Southend has a tourist department ? Wonders never cease.
Southend has a tourist department ? Wonders never cease. ChampKind
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5:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Elephantman2 says...

The financial situation is never going to improve under a government who are not focused on supporting growth. Cameron will not be happy until the destitute are dying on the streets and the poor are back in the work houses.
The financial situation is never going to improve under a government who are not focused on supporting growth. Cameron will not be happy until the destitute are dying on the streets and the poor are back in the work houses. Elephantman2
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5:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13

BASILBRUSH says...

Surely the revenue generated for the towns economy from the Airshow is worth the expense?
Surely the revenue generated for the towns economy from the Airshow is worth the expense? BASILBRUSH
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5:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13

pendulum says...

Idiots, those are two main reasons why people come to Southend and it keeps the place on the map, they really don't know what they're doing, the airshow in particular must generate more income overall (via indirect means) than it actually costs to police and run, tragic.
Idiots, those are two main reasons why people come to Southend and it keeps the place on the map, they really don't know what they're doing, the airshow in particular must generate more income overall (via indirect means) than it actually costs to police and run, tragic. pendulum
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5:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Rob777 says...

Disgraceful.
Disgraceful. Rob777
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5:24pm Mon 14 Jan 13

sjwilson says...

Sack councillors and save money, but no, the out of touch stupid thickos at the council stop the airshow, how about scrapping that library and museum instead. I thought easyjet are sponsoring the airshow?
Sack councillors and save money, but no, the out of touch stupid thickos at the council stop the airshow, how about scrapping that library and museum instead. I thought easyjet are sponsoring the airshow? sjwilson
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5:24pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Granny Peddle says...

The airshow's been on its deathbed for some years now, but it's a shame the council have gone with the 'fatal final blow' approach rather than trying to revive it. I can't see that going down too well with seafront traders - maybe a saving of £130k but how much lost revenue?

As for the rest, council tax goes up, council-funded services get cut. Great. I wonder if budgets for big dinners or unnecessary consultants on every possible project are affected? How about cancelling plans for a clifftop so-called museum (read: conference centre) that no one wants? That'd save some money, wouldn't it?
The airshow's been on its deathbed for some years now, but it's a shame the council have gone with the 'fatal final blow' approach rather than trying to revive it. I can't see that going down too well with seafront traders - maybe a saving of £130k but how much lost revenue? As for the rest, council tax goes up, council-funded services get cut. Great. I wonder if budgets for big dinners or unnecessary consultants on every possible project are affected? How about cancelling plans for a clifftop so-called museum (read: conference centre) that no one wants? That'd save some money, wouldn't it? Granny Peddle
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5:24pm Mon 14 Jan 13

centi2005 says...

whatever is cut there will always be those who suffer...I just hope that the full budget leaves the poor and vulnerable untouched!!!!
whatever is cut there will always be those who suffer...I just hope that the full budget leaves the poor and vulnerable untouched!!!! centi2005
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5:26pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Nebs says...

Here is the answer to the children and learning cuts:
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Here is the answer to the children and learning cuts: http://www.echo-news .co.uk/news/local_ne ws/southend/8255135. Southend_Council_wri tes_off___1_6m_in_un paid_debt/ Nebs
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5:28pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.
The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront. Shoebury_Cyclist
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5:28pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Eric Whim says...

cut the Council bunfight budget
cut the Council bunfight budget Eric Whim
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5:29pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Exiledwasp says...

Every since the council opposed the planned marina in the late 70s/80s it has shown itself to be unfit for purpose...Southend's location and relative wealth are great assest which have been wasted...it never used to be, but Helen Mirren is right in that it has become the armpit of England, sadly.
Every since the council opposed the planned marina in the late 70s/80s it has shown itself to be unfit for purpose...Southend's location and relative wealth are great assest which have been wasted...it never used to be, but Helen Mirren is right in that it has become the armpit of England, sadly. Exiledwasp
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5:30pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Wonder how many £800 a day 'temps' will be got rid of?
Wonder how many £800 a day 'temps' will be got rid of? Shoebury_Cyclist
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5:38pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Broadwaywatch says...

Max Impact wrote:
Scrapping the airshow will please few but the nimbys and down sayers. But why a photo of Clacton!
Seems the Echo has taken your point on board and changed the picture.
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: Scrapping the airshow will please few but the nimbys and down sayers. But why a photo of Clacton![/p][/quote]Seems the Echo has taken your point on board and changed the picture. Broadwaywatch
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5:42pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Rayleigh mum says...

passed a banner on the way into Southend yesterday "Southend - winners of council of the year 2012" !
Bet they won't win 2013 then.........
ridiculous cuts in all the wrong places. Shocking
passed a banner on the way into Southend yesterday "Southend - winners of council of the year 2012" ! Bet they won't win 2013 then......... ridiculous cuts in all the wrong places. Shocking Rayleigh mum
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5:42pm Mon 14 Jan 13

SARFENDMAN says...

You can now really see what they really feel about what's they value and what is not. No real surprise. Perhaps the Councillors will cut claiming on their expenses and pass on other free perks.
You can now really see what they really feel about what's they value and what is not. No real surprise. Perhaps the Councillors will cut claiming on their expenses and pass on other free perks. SARFENDMAN
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5:45pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Max Impact says...

Broadwaywatch wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Scrapping the airshow will please few but the nimbys and down sayers. But why a photo of Clacton!
Seems the Echo has taken your point on board and changed the picture.
Should think so, they can be worse than a bike riders at the echo... Well prehaps not that bad!
[quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: Scrapping the airshow will please few but the nimbys and down sayers. But why a photo of Clacton![/p][/quote]Seems the Echo has taken your point on board and changed the picture.[/p][/quote]Should think so, they can be worse than a bike riders at the echo... Well prehaps not that bad! Max Impact
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5:46pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Max Impact says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.
So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped...

Move to margate they like your type down there.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.[/p][/quote]So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped... Move to margate they like your type down there. Max Impact
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5:56pm Mon 14 Jan 13

sjwilson says...

I've Started a online Petition Please Sign Southend Council: Don't Cancel The Airshow http://www.change.or
g/petitions/southend
-council-don-t-cance
l-the-airshow
I've Started a online Petition Please Sign Southend Council: Don't Cancel The Airshow http://www.change.or g/petitions/southend -council-don-t-cance l-the-airshow sjwilson
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6:02pm Mon 14 Jan 13

soul man says...

thats just PLANE daft !!!
thats just PLANE daft !!! soul man
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6:12pm Mon 14 Jan 13

maxell says...

what a suprise I predicted last year that the airshow would be scrapped, obviously the amout of people that is claimed each is untrue as no matter the cost if it brings in profit there is no reason to ditch it, I wonder how much the council has once again bowed down to the airport, not to upset the scheduled flights, so once again the airport has affected the pleasures of the people who actully enjoy watching aircraft, talk about an airport owning an aera, before the critics stat just take a moment to note what you cannot do because of an airport not just southend as this applies to any airport. strange now how you have to travel to an airport to now watch any kind of airdisplay, I cant comment on abroad displays
what a suprise I predicted last year that the airshow would be scrapped, obviously the amout of people that is claimed each is untrue as no matter the cost if it brings in profit there is no reason to ditch it, I wonder how much the council has once again bowed down to the airport, not to upset the scheduled flights, so once again the airport has affected the pleasures of the people who actully enjoy watching aircraft, talk about an airport owning an aera, before the critics stat just take a moment to note what you cannot do because of an airport not just southend as this applies to any airport. strange now how you have to travel to an airport to now watch any kind of airdisplay, I cant comment on abroad displays maxell
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6:13pm Mon 14 Jan 13

jayman says...

well. that's at least two days of the week that the 'cultural centre' (the thing that cost a lot of council cash) will be unused. ah, and as for the air show. I thought that easy jet where sponsoring it?

If the council where running the event properly then it would have been cost neutral.

they should have got some big sponsors in to fund the event.

Southend Tory council have a very narrow view for what companies to approach and how to sell a great event.
well. that's at least two days of the week that the 'cultural centre' (the thing that cost a lot of council cash) will be unused. ah, and as for the air show. I thought that easy jet where sponsoring it? If the council where running the event properly then it would have been cost neutral. they should have got some big sponsors in to fund the event. Southend Tory council have a very narrow view for what companies to approach and how to sell a great event. jayman
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6:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13

jantone says...

Have the council really lost their minds?
The airshow generated an absolute fortune, & now they have thrown the income down the drain!! I was always in favor of our fabulous council, but it has now lost all its credibility!!And as for putting council tax up, are they crazy? It was reported in the national press recently that Southend was the best town in England to move to, I don't agree now with this statement!!
Have the council really lost their minds? The airshow generated an absolute fortune, & now they have thrown the income down the drain!! I was always in favor of our fabulous council, but it has now lost all its credibility!!And as for putting council tax up, are they crazy? It was reported in the national press recently that Southend was the best town in England to move to, I don't agree now with this statement!! jantone
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6:28pm Mon 14 Jan 13

beaulocks says...

Complete AIR heads this lot.

Call it the easy genting adventure air show and get those three to sponsor it.
Complete AIR heads this lot. Call it the easy genting adventure air show and get those three to sponsor it. beaulocks
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6:50pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Trainman says...

I am a Councillor where I live, but claim NO wage, or expenses whatsoever, so WHY do Southend feel they need to be paid to what now seems to be and turning visitors away by cancelling such an event, as well as closing the Pier?

It has always been said "You have to speculate, to accumulate." and Southend Council it seems have NEVER heard it.
I am a Councillor where I live, but claim NO wage, or expenses whatsoever, so WHY do Southend feel they need to be paid to what now seems to be and turning visitors away by cancelling such an event, as well as closing the Pier? It has always been said "You have to speculate, to accumulate." and Southend Council it seems have NEVER heard it. Trainman
  • Score: 1

6:57pm Mon 14 Jan 13

jolllyboy says...

Wrong priorities, to build a museum and a library which cost way too much when they knew we were in a recession and now to cut off the hand that feeds them by cutting back on the things some people (I dont know why) come to see. Also spending money on a stupid little so called 'culture' thing on the pier which is too small for purpose and is out of keeping with a pier of its era.
No Airshow - is this a broken promise by Easyjet - get what they want (as they were in it from the planning stage) and then let the town down.
Wrong priorities, to build a museum and a library which cost way too much when they knew we were in a recession and now to cut off the hand that feeds them by cutting back on the things some people (I dont know why) come to see. Also spending money on a stupid little so called 'culture' thing on the pier which is too small for purpose and is out of keeping with a pier of its era. No Airshow - is this a broken promise by Easyjet - get what they want (as they were in it from the planning stage) and then let the town down. jolllyboy
  • Score: 0

7:01pm Mon 14 Jan 13

maxell says...

you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls. maxell
  • Score: 0

7:07pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Seasider90 says...

We're told there is no money - yet the government gives millions away in foreign aid. No money yet we give billions to the EU. No money yet we're allowing millions of immigrants to exert extra pressure and costs on hospitals, schools and our world famous benefits system. No money yet half the new social housing is needed for immigrants. See the bigger picture? We need to get out of the EU NOW!
We're told there is no money - yet the government gives millions away in foreign aid. No money yet we give billions to the EU. No money yet we're allowing millions of immigrants to exert extra pressure and costs on hospitals, schools and our world famous benefits system. No money yet half the new social housing is needed for immigrants. See the bigger picture? We need to get out of the EU NOW! Seasider90
  • Score: 0

7:07pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Seasider90 says...

We're told there is no money - yet the government gives millions away in foreign aid. No money yet we give billions to the EU. No money yet we're allowing millions of immigrants to exert extra pressure and costs on hospitals, schools and our world famous benefits system. No money yet half the new social housing is needed for immigrants. See the bigger picture? We need to get out of the EU NOW!
We're told there is no money - yet the government gives millions away in foreign aid. No money yet we give billions to the EU. No money yet we're allowing millions of immigrants to exert extra pressure and costs on hospitals, schools and our world famous benefits system. No money yet half the new social housing is needed for immigrants. See the bigger picture? We need to get out of the EU NOW! Seasider90
  • Score: 0

7:07pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Seasider90 says...

We're told there is no money - yet the government gives millions away in foreign aid. No money yet we give billions to the EU. No money yet we're allowing millions of immigrants to exert extra pressure and costs on hospitals, schools and our world famous benefits system. No money yet half the new social housing is needed for immigrants. See the bigger picture? We need to get out of the EU NOW!
We're told there is no money - yet the government gives millions away in foreign aid. No money yet we give billions to the EU. No money yet we're allowing millions of immigrants to exert extra pressure and costs on hospitals, schools and our world famous benefits system. No money yet half the new social housing is needed for immigrants. See the bigger picture? We need to get out of the EU NOW! Seasider90
  • Score: 0

7:07pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Seasider90 says...

We're told there is no money - yet the government gives millions away in foreign aid. No money yet we give billions to the EU. No money yet we're allowing millions of immigrants to exert extra pressure and costs on hospitals, schools and our world famous benefits system. No money yet half the new social housing is needed for immigrants. See the bigger picture? We need to get out of the EU NOW!
We're told there is no money - yet the government gives millions away in foreign aid. No money yet we give billions to the EU. No money yet we're allowing millions of immigrants to exert extra pressure and costs on hospitals, schools and our world famous benefits system. No money yet half the new social housing is needed for immigrants. See the bigger picture? We need to get out of the EU NOW! Seasider90
  • Score: 0

7:14pm Mon 14 Jan 13

sjwilson says...

68 Signiatures Only 32 More Needed Please Sign To Save Southend Airshow. https://www.change.o
rg/petitions/southen
d-council-don-t-canc
el-the-airshow

Please Sign.
68 Signiatures Only 32 More Needed Please Sign To Save Southend Airshow. https://www.change.o rg/petitions/southen d-council-don-t-canc el-the-airshow Please Sign. sjwilson
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7:20pm Mon 14 Jan 13

EssexPerson says...

39 people lose their jobs, the air show, regardless of how poor it has become, still brought people and money into the town is scrapped after 26 years, and the pier that they allowed to fall into an appalling state is part closed after wasting £3m on a cultural centre (how long until its permanently closed).
But its ok, we have a nice shiny new pointless museum costing £30m that most people don't want to look forward to. And a dying high street to stroll down.
39 people lose their jobs, the air show, regardless of how poor it has become, still brought people and money into the town is scrapped after 26 years, and the pier that they allowed to fall into an appalling state is part closed after wasting £3m on a cultural centre (how long until its permanently closed). But its ok, we have a nice shiny new pointless museum costing £30m that most people don't want to look forward to. And a dying high street to stroll down. EssexPerson
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7:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Max Impact says...

maxell wrote:
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
Money from building the Library comes from the capital funds and can NOT be spent on services.

How many times do people need telling.
[quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.[/p][/quote]Money from building the Library comes from the capital funds and can NOT be spent on services. How many times do people need telling. Max Impact
  • Score: 1

7:24pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Max Impact says...

jolllyboy wrote:
Wrong priorities, to build a museum and a library which cost way too much when they knew we were in a recession and now to cut off the hand that feeds them by cutting back on the things some people (I dont know why) come to see. Also spending money on a stupid little so called 'culture' thing on the pier which is too small for purpose and is out of keeping with a pier of its era.
No Airshow - is this a broken promise by Easyjet - get what they want (as they were in it from the planning stage) and then let the town down.
forgot to say Easyjet said they would only sponsor the airshow for one year so it's not a broken promise.
[quote][p][bold]jolllyboy[/bold] wrote: Wrong priorities, to build a museum and a library which cost way too much when they knew we were in a recession and now to cut off the hand that feeds them by cutting back on the things some people (I dont know why) come to see. Also spending money on a stupid little so called 'culture' thing on the pier which is too small for purpose and is out of keeping with a pier of its era. No Airshow - is this a broken promise by Easyjet - get what they want (as they were in it from the planning stage) and then let the town down.[/p][/quote]forgot to say Easyjet said they would only sponsor the airshow for one year so it's not a broken promise. Max Impact
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7:34pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Nebs says...

£130,000 for the airshow. If the attendance figures are to be believed then a 25p admission fee would cover the costs.
£130,000 for the airshow. If the attendance figures are to be believed then a 25p admission fee would cover the costs. Nebs
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7:47pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Leighdweller says...

Wonder how much they spent the campaign to get Southend city status; something that was never ever going to happen...
Wonder how much they spent the campaign to get Southend city status; something that was never ever going to happen... Leighdweller
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7:47pm Mon 14 Jan 13

GrumpyofLeigh says...

So the implication is that, had there not been a crisis, our local taxes would continue to have risen and blown on a variety of vanity projects - maybe the crash wasnt such a bad thing if it has driven such a reality check and a re-think.
So the implication is that, had there not been a crisis, our local taxes would continue to have risen and blown on a variety of vanity projects - maybe the crash wasnt such a bad thing if it has driven such a reality check and a re-think. GrumpyofLeigh
  • Score: 1

7:54pm Mon 14 Jan 13

jayman says...

Max Impact wrote:
maxell wrote:
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
Money from building the Library comes from the capital funds and can NOT be spent on services.

How many times do people need telling.
and yet the overall financial position of the council is really, really bad. the council remain in debt to the tune of hundreds of millions of pounds.

so it does not matter whether the capital or the current budgets are analysed. the council remains in massive debt.

Southend council need to maintain income generating events (like the air show)

The council also need to retract the capital expenditure to near on zero and restructure expenditure for front-line services.
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.[/p][/quote]Money from building the Library comes from the capital funds and can NOT be spent on services. How many times do people need telling.[/p][/quote]and yet the overall financial position of the council is really, really bad. the council remain in debt to the tune of hundreds of millions of pounds. so it does not matter whether the capital or the current budgets are analysed. the council remains in massive debt. Southend council need to maintain income generating events (like the air show) The council also need to retract the capital expenditure to near on zero and restructure expenditure for front-line services. jayman
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8:03pm Mon 14 Jan 13

firedog says...

If it makes money,who actually works out what that amount is,or are you just plucking figures from the air,because a free show has been axed.
If it makes money,who actually works out what that amount is,or are you just plucking figures from the air,because a free show has been axed. firedog
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8:09pm Mon 14 Jan 13

jayman says...

Seasider90 wrote:
We're told there is no money - yet the government gives millions away in foreign aid. No money yet we give billions to the EU. No money yet we're allowing millions of immigrants to exert extra pressure and costs on hospitals, schools and our world famous benefits system. No money yet half the new social housing is needed for immigrants. See the bigger picture? We need to get out of the EU NOW!
we'll get on to the EU money burning machine in a moment.

we are trying to deal with the Southend council money burning machine on this thread, LoL
[quote][p][bold]Seasider90[/bold] wrote: We're told there is no money - yet the government gives millions away in foreign aid. No money yet we give billions to the EU. No money yet we're allowing millions of immigrants to exert extra pressure and costs on hospitals, schools and our world famous benefits system. No money yet half the new social housing is needed for immigrants. See the bigger picture? We need to get out of the EU NOW![/p][/quote]we'll get on to the EU money burning machine in a moment. we are trying to deal with the Southend council money burning machine on this thread, LoL jayman
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8:18pm Mon 14 Jan 13

essex_oracle says...

I heard a radio report on cancelling airshows a couple of years ago. The expert said that once cancelled, they NEVER return.

The reason is that the display teams get booked up at other venues, after masses of practice,maintenance & travelling globally to perform, it usually isn't possible to fit an extra performance in.

Such a shame.
I heard a radio report on cancelling airshows a couple of years ago. The expert said that once cancelled, they NEVER return. The reason is that the display teams get booked up at other venues, after masses of practice,maintenance & travelling globally to perform, it usually isn't possible to fit an extra performance in. Such a shame. essex_oracle
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8:19pm Mon 14 Jan 13

essex_oracle says...

I heard a radio report on cancelling airshows a couple of years ago. The expert said that once cancelled, they NEVER return.

The reason is that the display teams get booked up at other venues, after masses of practice,maintenance & travelling globally to perform, it usually isn't possible to fit an extra performance in.

Such a shame.
I heard a radio report on cancelling airshows a couple of years ago. The expert said that once cancelled, they NEVER return. The reason is that the display teams get booked up at other venues, after masses of practice,maintenance & travelling globally to perform, it usually isn't possible to fit an extra performance in. Such a shame. essex_oracle
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8:23pm Mon 14 Jan 13

andystringeruk says...

MADNESS
What sort of clever sod made this decision. Southend will be the new tilbury sea front next. U have lost the town great revenue for 2 days.
This is what u should of done in my eyes!
Just have a one day airshow and try to generate more sponsers.
Hope u lose your jobs and am pretty sure you will be voted out in the next election anyway.
Let's spend 20 million on a new libery that no will use apart for drug taking !
MADNESS What sort of clever sod made this decision. Southend will be the new tilbury sea front next. U have lost the town great revenue for 2 days. This is what u should of done in my eyes! Just have a one day airshow and try to generate more sponsers. Hope u lose your jobs and am pretty sure you will be voted out in the next election anyway. Let's spend 20 million on a new libery that no will use apart for drug taking ! andystringeruk
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8:29pm Mon 14 Jan 13

cheerful says...

As sad as it is to cancel the Air Show, close the Pier for two days, and to increase council tax, I think it is a little unfair to solely blame the council, this council, and all other councils receive funding from central Government, and its a known fact that if they do not spend all of the given budget then they get proportionally less the following year.
Now we have a government that is looking for an easy way of saving money, so cutting back funding to councils and cutting jobs is the perfect answer for them, , NO such thing as cutting the millions and millions they give away in foreign aid to Countries that are using the money to build nuclear weapons. paying billions of money that WE the taxpayers cannot afford to be members of the EU. and without being a racist just a realist, isnt it time to restrict the benefit and privileges the immigrants receive from our health and housing services.charity begins at home.
As sad as it is to cancel the Air Show, close the Pier for two days, and to increase council tax, I think it is a little unfair to solely blame the council, this council, and all other councils receive funding from central Government, and its a known fact that if they do not spend all of the given budget then they get proportionally less the following year. Now we have a government that is looking for an easy way of saving money, so cutting back funding to councils and cutting jobs is the perfect answer for them, , NO such thing as cutting the millions and millions they give away in foreign aid to Countries that are using the money to build nuclear weapons. paying billions of money that WE the taxpayers cannot afford to be members of the EU. and without being a racist just a realist, isnt it time to restrict the benefit and privileges the immigrants receive from our health and housing services.charity begins at home. cheerful
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8:37pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Test Tickle says...

R.I.P Southend, you got your Airport which makes a few people a lot of money and lost your airshow that generated cash for many, can any of you put your hand on your heart and say Southend council are working for the good of the residents of the town and are fit for purpose?
R.I.P Southend, you got your Airport which makes a few people a lot of money and lost your airshow that generated cash for many, can any of you put your hand on your heart and say Southend council are working for the good of the residents of the town and are fit for purpose? Test Tickle
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8:38pm Mon 14 Jan 13

supershrimper says...

Sad, but what must be done must be done to improve the economy. Hopefully next year or the year after we will get it back.
Sad, but what must be done must be done to improve the economy. Hopefully next year or the year after we will get it back. supershrimper
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8:44pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Broadwaywatch says...

maxell wrote:
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
and it would seem the loss of an ancient footpath, footpath 36 from Eastwood to Rochford. A footpath which has been there long before the airport built a taxiway across it back in the early sixties. However, the airport back then also painted a zebra crossing on the tarmac so that the footpath could continue un-obstructed and un-obstructed it has remained until now. Now the owners of the airport are intent in closing this most often quiet rural walk and diverting it onto a busy main road. The reason they say is because of security . It seems strange that it's taken them all this time to come to this conclusion. However, if this is truly the reason then I propose that such a problem could easily be solved with an electronic gate with a camera either side of the taxiway where it crosses the footpath. I believe it to be a logical, and community minded solution to such a said problem.
[quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.[/p][/quote]and it would seem the loss of an ancient footpath, footpath 36 from Eastwood to Rochford. A footpath which has been there long before the airport built a taxiway across it back in the early sixties. However, the airport back then also painted a zebra crossing on the tarmac so that the footpath could continue un-obstructed and un-obstructed it has remained until now. Now the owners of the airport are intent in closing this most often quiet rural walk and diverting it onto a busy main road. The reason they say is because of security . It seems strange that it's taken them all this time to come to this conclusion. However, if this is truly the reason then I propose that such a problem could easily be solved with an electronic gate with a camera either side of the taxiway where it crosses the footpath. I believe it to be a logical, and community minded solution to such a said problem. Broadwaywatch
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8:51pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Nebs says...

Broadwaywatch wrote:
maxell wrote:
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
and it would seem the loss of an ancient footpath, footpath 36 from Eastwood to Rochford. A footpath which has been there long before the airport built a taxiway across it back in the early sixties. However, the airport back then also painted a zebra crossing on the tarmac so that the footpath could continue un-obstructed and un-obstructed it has remained until now. Now the owners of the airport are intent in closing this most often quiet rural walk and diverting it onto a busy main road. The reason they say is because of security . It seems strange that it's taken them all this time to come to this conclusion. However, if this is truly the reason then I propose that such a problem could easily be solved with an electronic gate with a camera either side of the taxiway where it crosses the footpath. I believe it to be a logical, and community minded solution to such a said problem.
If you buy a house under a flightpath, you can't complain when planes fly overhead. If you buy an airport with a footpath going through the middle, you can't complain if people want to walk along it.
[quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.[/p][/quote]and it would seem the loss of an ancient footpath, footpath 36 from Eastwood to Rochford. A footpath which has been there long before the airport built a taxiway across it back in the early sixties. However, the airport back then also painted a zebra crossing on the tarmac so that the footpath could continue un-obstructed and un-obstructed it has remained until now. Now the owners of the airport are intent in closing this most often quiet rural walk and diverting it onto a busy main road. The reason they say is because of security . It seems strange that it's taken them all this time to come to this conclusion. However, if this is truly the reason then I propose that such a problem could easily be solved with an electronic gate with a camera either side of the taxiway where it crosses the footpath. I believe it to be a logical, and community minded solution to such a said problem.[/p][/quote]If you buy a house under a flightpath, you can't complain when planes fly overhead. If you buy an airport with a footpath going through the middle, you can't complain if people want to walk along it. Nebs
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8:56pm Mon 14 Jan 13

jolllyboy says...

"Not of their making" - they are Tories and toe the party line therefore yes it is of their making as they follow the idea that this austerity is going to work. It will not until they spend their money in creating jobs, not stopping tourists that they keep saying is what the town is for. Start building, encourage shops into the town centre by having a decent market etc. The town is closing done.
"Not of their making" - they are Tories and toe the party line therefore yes it is of their making as they follow the idea that this austerity is going to work. It will not until they spend their money in creating jobs, not stopping tourists that they keep saying is what the town is for. Start building, encourage shops into the town centre by having a decent market etc. The town is closing done. jolllyboy
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9:17pm Mon 14 Jan 13

DogsMessInLeigh says...

Maybe Adventure island would like to take the pier over...spend some money on it on the right things and it could be a real winner , maybe they could even run the airshow too.
Maybe Adventure island would like to take the pier over...spend some money on it on the right things and it could be a real winner , maybe they could even run the airshow too. DogsMessInLeigh
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9:26pm Mon 14 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

anyone notice how all the negativity comes from the "idealists"? chippiness beyond measure from just 2 years in opposition eh shoebury clown. roll on the next 11!
anyone notice how all the negativity comes from the "idealists"? chippiness beyond measure from just 2 years in opposition eh shoebury clown. roll on the next 11! asbo. just the truth
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9:52pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Max Impact says...

Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge.
Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge. Max Impact
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9:59pm Mon 14 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

2 out of 2. the last 2 labour administrations have bankrupted the nation. nobody said austerity would be good for the mood but it's good for the soul.
2 out of 2. the last 2 labour administrations have bankrupted the nation. nobody said austerity would be good for the mood but it's good for the soul. asbo. just the truth
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10:02pm Mon 14 Jan 13

AirShowTom says...

We've set up Facebook page to campaign to change this and help raise funds https://www.facebook
.com/SaveSouthendAir
Show
We've set up Facebook page to campaign to change this and help raise funds https://www.facebook .com/SaveSouthendAir Show AirShowTom
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10:08pm Mon 14 Jan 13

thamesboy says...

What a disgrace !!!! This ridiculous council really needs to look inwards at its own house rather than cutting 2 days of huge revenue generation for the towns seafront traders, not to mention the RNLI shop at the end of the pier which will lose 52 days trading,revenue which is vital to them!!! The folly of repainting and revising the layout of seafront parking !!! The SPY car, the library on the cliffs and these are just the ones we know of !!!!! Wake up council, these 2 institutions are great adverts Southend !!! Get rid of Holdcroft next time Leigh residents !!!!
What a disgrace !!!! This ridiculous council really needs to look inwards at its own house rather than cutting 2 days of huge revenue generation for the towns seafront traders, not to mention the RNLI shop at the end of the pier which will lose 52 days trading,revenue which is vital to them!!! The folly of repainting and revising the layout of seafront parking !!! The SPY car, the library on the cliffs and these are just the ones we know of !!!!! Wake up council, these 2 institutions are great adverts Southend !!! Get rid of Holdcroft next time Leigh residents !!!! thamesboy
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10:09pm Mon 14 Jan 13

thamesboy says...

What a disgrace !!!! This ridiculous council really needs to look inwards at its own house rather than cutting 2 days of huge revenue generation for the towns seafront traders, not to mention the RNLI shop at the end of the pier which will lose 52 days trading,revenue which is vital to them!!! The folly of repainting and revising the layout of seafront parking !!! The SPY car, the library on the cliffs and these are just the ones we know of !!!!! Wake up council, these 2 institutions are great adverts Southend !!! Get rid of Holdcroft next time Leigh residents !!!!
What a disgrace !!!! This ridiculous council really needs to look inwards at its own house rather than cutting 2 days of huge revenue generation for the towns seafront traders, not to mention the RNLI shop at the end of the pier which will lose 52 days trading,revenue which is vital to them!!! The folly of repainting and revising the layout of seafront parking !!! The SPY car, the library on the cliffs and these are just the ones we know of !!!!! Wake up council, these 2 institutions are great adverts Southend !!! Get rid of Holdcroft next time Leigh residents !!!! thamesboy
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10:10pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Broadwaywatch says...

Nebs wrote:
Broadwaywatch wrote:
maxell wrote:
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
and it would seem the loss of an ancient footpath, footpath 36 from Eastwood to Rochford. A footpath which has been there long before the airport built a taxiway across it back in the early sixties. However, the airport back then also painted a zebra crossing on the tarmac so that the footpath could continue un-obstructed and un-obstructed it has remained until now. Now the owners of the airport are intent in closing this most often quiet rural walk and diverting it onto a busy main road. The reason they say is because of security . It seems strange that it's taken them all this time to come to this conclusion. However, if this is truly the reason then I propose that such a problem could easily be solved with an electronic gate with a camera either side of the taxiway where it crosses the footpath. I believe it to be a logical, and community minded solution to such a said problem.
If you buy a house under a flightpath, you can't complain when planes fly overhead. If you buy an airport with a footpath going through the middle, you can't complain if people want to walk along it.
Well said Nebs. Thank you
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.[/p][/quote]and it would seem the loss of an ancient footpath, footpath 36 from Eastwood to Rochford. A footpath which has been there long before the airport built a taxiway across it back in the early sixties. However, the airport back then also painted a zebra crossing on the tarmac so that the footpath could continue un-obstructed and un-obstructed it has remained until now. Now the owners of the airport are intent in closing this most often quiet rural walk and diverting it onto a busy main road. The reason they say is because of security . It seems strange that it's taken them all this time to come to this conclusion. However, if this is truly the reason then I propose that such a problem could easily be solved with an electronic gate with a camera either side of the taxiway where it crosses the footpath. I believe it to be a logical, and community minded solution to such a said problem.[/p][/quote]If you buy a house under a flightpath, you can't complain when planes fly overhead. If you buy an airport with a footpath going through the middle, you can't complain if people want to walk along it.[/p][/quote]Well said Nebs. Thank you Broadwaywatch
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10:12pm Mon 14 Jan 13

ryanb1987 says...

Maybe the council should have considered budgets and saving money when they were spending millions on the "Golden Mile / City Beach" and the palm trees along the seafront??!!.....
Maybe the council should have considered budgets and saving money when they were spending millions on the "Golden Mile / City Beach" and the palm trees along the seafront??!!..... ryanb1987
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10:14pm Mon 14 Jan 13

jantone says...

I happen to agree with the comments made by"Cheerfull"" concerning giving aid to other countries. Yes, of cause there is poverty elsewhere in the world, but is so called"Great" Britain so wealthy that it can afford to give millions to others? The adage that charity belongs at home still exists, & making cutbacks to local councils is ludicrous!
As for my comments regarding the cancellation of the airshow, I have written to southend council stating that they are running this town to the dogs.
I happen to agree with the comments made by"Cheerfull"" concerning giving aid to other countries. Yes, of cause there is poverty elsewhere in the world, but is so called"Great" Britain so wealthy that it can afford to give millions to others? The adage that charity belongs at home still exists, & making cutbacks to local councils is ludicrous! As for my comments regarding the cancellation of the airshow, I have written to southend council stating that they are running this town to the dogs. jantone
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10:29pm Mon 14 Jan 13

sensiblelos says...

the residents of Southend have an easyjet airshow everyday, southend airport/easyjet now dominates the sky, is it any surprise now that all permissions have been granted by Southend Council that the proper airshow has stopped. Of course Southend Council now make money out of the Airport so they do exactly what they are told , when the Airport state that the airspace is restricted everything stops..the residents have exactly what they wished for an airshow everyday....
the residents of Southend have an easyjet airshow everyday, southend airport/easyjet now dominates the sky, is it any surprise now that all permissions have been granted by Southend Council that the proper airshow has stopped. Of course Southend Council now make money out of the Airport so they do exactly what they are told , when the Airport state that the airspace is restricted everything stops..the residents have exactly what they wished for an airshow everyday.... sensiblelos
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10:37pm Mon 14 Jan 13

jayman says...

Max Impact wrote:
Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge.
the Tory economic policy as a metaphor is a man stuck in quicksand, cutting his legs of to save himself from the incoming tide. Alas he will not be able to out walk the tide with no legs and will bleed to death in any case.

what we need is massive, focused, fast spending on areas that will generate sustainable international wealth with emerging markets, we need to raise taxes a little, cut any tax avoidance to zero and legislate heavily to close loop holes. we need to protect local wealth creation in small and medium businesses that show growth potential and above all.

continue with the key functions of government and act within the mandate that was sought in the last election.

Start paying MP's a fixed salary of £40,000 per annum.

pay councillors a salary of £24,000 (no moon lighting contract) that way our elected officials are not only servants but employees of the people..
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge.[/p][/quote]the Tory economic policy as a metaphor is a man stuck in quicksand, cutting his legs of to save himself from the incoming tide. Alas he will not be able to out walk the tide with no legs and will bleed to death in any case. what we need is massive, focused, fast spending on areas that will generate sustainable international wealth with emerging markets, we need to raise taxes a little, cut any tax avoidance to zero and legislate heavily to close loop holes. we need to protect local wealth creation in small and medium businesses that show growth potential and above all. continue with the key functions of government and act within the mandate that was sought in the last election. Start paying MP's a fixed salary of £40,000 per annum. pay councillors a salary of £24,000 (no moon lighting contract) that way our elected officials are not only servants but employees of the people.. jayman
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10:59pm Mon 14 Jan 13

parva glen says...

so the council say they will save £50000 a year by closing the pier for 2 days a week over 5 mths which to me means the council are losing over a £1100 a day after income from the public that,s good buiness
so the council say they will save £50000 a year by closing the pier for 2 days a week over 5 mths which to me means the council are losing over a £1100 a day after income from the public that,s good buiness parva glen
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11:01pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Max Impact wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.
So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped...

Move to margate they like your type down there.
Aw diddums, didda big an nasty council-wouncil take poor Maxy-waxy's ickle airshow away?

Hahaha!
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.[/p][/quote]So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped... Move to margate they like your type down there.[/p][/quote]Aw diddums, didda big an nasty council-wouncil take poor Maxy-waxy's ickle airshow away? Hahaha! Shoebury_Cyclist
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11:05pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Thames Gateway says...

Looks like a Manston Airport is restarting an airshow this year, with charged for entrance: http://www.heritage-
events.co.uk/event.p
hp?eventid=17

Does anyone know how much SBC pays for the firework display every year, (that are also meant to bring in vast numbers to the town, but in reality are largely just for the natives of Southend). Has it been considered to cancel the firework displays? Have the local population been consulted about what would be the best way for this sum of money to be saved from the budgets?
Looks like a Manston Airport is restarting an airshow this year, with charged for entrance: http://www.heritage- events.co.uk/event.p hp?eventid=17 Does anyone know how much SBC pays for the firework display every year, (that are also meant to bring in vast numbers to the town, but in reality are largely just for the natives of Southend). Has it been considered to cancel the firework displays? Have the local population been consulted about what would be the best way for this sum of money to be saved from the budgets? Thames Gateway
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11:06pm Mon 14 Jan 13

andy42 says...

A shocking decision to axe the most popular event on the town's calendar for such a small saving. A real kick in the teeth for the traders who rely on the income the event brings in each year.
A shocking decision to axe the most popular event on the town's calendar for such a small saving. A real kick in the teeth for the traders who rely on the income the event brings in each year. andy42
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11:11pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Max Impact says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.
So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped...

Move to margate they like your type down there.
Aw diddums, didda big an nasty council-wouncil take poor Maxy-waxy's ickle airshow away?

Hahaha!
At least I OWN my own house.

Renting is for the poor.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.[/p][/quote]So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped... Move to margate they like your type down there.[/p][/quote]Aw diddums, didda big an nasty council-wouncil take poor Maxy-waxy's ickle airshow away? Hahaha![/p][/quote]At least I OWN my own house. Renting is for the poor. Max Impact
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11:25pm Mon 14 Jan 13

really? says...

This is clearly me being of simple mind so please be gentle with your answers but why does a 3.2 million drop in funding require 10 million slashed from the budget?
Surely you would need to slash the budget by the same amount you are losing out?
This is clearly me being of simple mind so please be gentle with your answers but why does a 3.2 million drop in funding require 10 million slashed from the budget? Surely you would need to slash the budget by the same amount you are losing out? really?
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11:34pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Andycal 172D says...

Max Impact wrote:
maxell wrote:
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
Money from building the Library comes from the capital funds and can NOT be spent on services.

How many times do people need telling.
Whilst it may well come from the Capital Budgets, Southend Council is massively in debt. So all it is doing is BORROWING their part of the capital for the projects which causes interest and capital repayment charges to the REVENUE Budget which, no doubt, massively outweigh the paltry savings they make by closing the pier part-time and scrapping the airshow.

However, as has been hinted so vociferously, IF the airshow makes so much money for the seafront traders, surely they can afford to stump up the cost of putting it on?

And by the way, as this was the only time we got really large numbers of tourists on the seafront, may we please now have our proper road back and lose the hyper-expensive shared space?
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.[/p][/quote]Money from building the Library comes from the capital funds and can NOT be spent on services. How many times do people need telling.[/p][/quote]Whilst it may well come from the Capital Budgets, Southend Council is massively in debt. So all it is doing is BORROWING their part of the capital for the projects which causes interest and capital repayment charges to the REVENUE Budget which, no doubt, massively outweigh the paltry savings they make by closing the pier part-time and scrapping the airshow. However, as has been hinted so vociferously, IF the airshow makes so much money for the seafront traders, surely they can afford to stump up the cost of putting it on? And by the way, as this was the only time we got really large numbers of tourists on the seafront, may we please now have our proper road back and lose the hyper-expensive shared space? Andycal 172D
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11:36pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Letmetryagain says...

It has been going down hill for a number of years, but it's still a shame it is being scrapped altogether.

So many organizations relied on it for fund raising.

So I suppose it's now either, Clacton, Manston or Eastbourne ?
It has been going down hill for a number of years, but it's still a shame it is being scrapped altogether. So many organizations relied on it for fund raising. So I suppose it's now either, Clacton, Manston or Eastbourne ? Letmetryagain
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12:00am Tue 15 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

Max Impact wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.
So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped...

Move to margate they like your type down there.
Aw diddums, didda big an nasty council-wouncil take poor Maxy-waxy's ickle airshow away?

Hahaha!
At least I OWN my own house.

Renting is for the poor.
I own my place too. What's your point?

Poor wickle maxy-waxy, throwing his toys out the pram because he can't watcha big airyplanes.

Hahaha!
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.[/p][/quote]So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped... Move to margate they like your type down there.[/p][/quote]Aw diddums, didda big an nasty council-wouncil take poor Maxy-waxy's ickle airshow away? Hahaha![/p][/quote]At least I OWN my own house. Renting is for the poor.[/p][/quote]I own my place too. What's your point? Poor wickle maxy-waxy, throwing his toys out the pram because he can't watcha big airyplanes. Hahaha! Shoebury_Cyclist
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12:12am Tue 15 Jan 13

Nebs says...

From the council website at
http://www.southend.
gov.uk/news/article/
1011/201314_council_
budget
The Council is also pushing forward with a capital programme which will deliver improved facilities and boost growth locally.
These include:
a four-year programme of repairs to paths, roads and tracks within Southend's parks
restoration of the Borough's war memorials to repair damage caused by acid rain and the salty coastal environment
the expansion of child care places for two-year-olds
capital investment to support the Council's Short Breaks programme for disabled children
£4.5m of sea defence works
£2.13m of improvements to the Kent Elms, Bell Corner and Tesco roundabout junctions on the A127 and
£500,000 investment towards making Southend a "wireless borough"
.
Forgive me, but I don't see how any of these items will boost growth locally.
From the council website at http://www.southend. gov.uk/news/article/ 1011/201314_council_ budget The Council is also pushing forward with a capital programme which will deliver improved facilities and boost growth locally. These include: a four-year programme of repairs to paths, roads and tracks within Southend's parks restoration of the Borough's war memorials to repair damage caused by acid rain and the salty coastal environment the expansion of child care places for two-year-olds capital investment to support the Council's Short Breaks programme for disabled children £4.5m of sea defence works £2.13m of improvements to the Kent Elms, Bell Corner and Tesco roundabout junctions on the A127 and £500,000 investment towards making Southend a "wireless borough" . Forgive me, but I don't see how any of these items will boost growth locally. Nebs
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1:35am Tue 15 Jan 13

echoforum says...

The amount saved is just a few fat cat lunches...shockingly shortsighted
The amount saved is just a few fat cat lunches...shockingly shortsighted echoforum
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1:47am Tue 15 Jan 13

M Brijlall says...

Well done to Southend Council that's a smart move. It will save the council £130,000, as well as the Headache of having over a Million people from outside of the area flood into out town. Causing a traffic nightmare on the roads and railways. I can fully understand that this Seafront town is dying off and after the £22 million that has been spent to generate the City Beach project we don't really need the £30 million that is reported on the councils own Website that the Airshow generates for the Town & Local businesses. I think the saving can be spent on more traffic wardens because thats where the real revenue for the town is. After going into Southend High Street for the first time in about 3 months to do some shopping. I was really impressed on how many shops have closed down, but Nice to see a new Coffee shop open. I know that this is not directly due to the council, but lowering business tax for local trade could see more local owned shops like Brighton. I was as very impressed that we have given new homes to the various homeless people who were currently sheltering in Queens Road along the High street. I Have missed the odour of unrine, and drunken abusive banter since Skippy the tramp died. (u remember him from the 80s & Early 90s) It's was so nice that the towns homeless problems have been moved back into the public eye. But I just really wanted to say a special thank you to the Councils very own Community support officers that walked by with out stopping to help the old guy that I was trying to help that had fallen over and busted his nose. May I also add that nobody else in fact came to help, and even though I was covered in his blood I enjoyed trying to explain that to a traffic warden in Warrior Square car park that I was 2 minutes late cos I had to stop and help. I was still presented with a Parking Fine. If we want to save the air show then all I can say is we all get a fluorescent jackets some buckets and start picking penny's.
Well done to Southend Council that's a smart move. It will save the council £130,000, as well as the Headache of having over a Million people from outside of the area flood into out town. Causing a traffic nightmare on the roads and railways. I can fully understand that this Seafront town is dying off and after the £22 million that has been spent to generate the City Beach project we don't really need the £30 million that is reported on the councils own Website that the Airshow generates for the Town & Local businesses. I think the saving can be spent on more traffic wardens because thats where the real revenue for the town is. After going into Southend High Street for the first time in about 3 months to do some shopping. I was really impressed on how many shops have closed down, but Nice to see a new Coffee shop open. I know that this is not directly due to the council, but lowering business tax for local trade could see more local owned shops like Brighton. I was as very impressed that we have given new homes to the various homeless people who were currently sheltering in Queens Road along the High street. I Have missed the odour of unrine, and drunken abusive banter since Skippy the tramp died. (u remember him from the 80s & Early 90s) It's was so nice that the towns homeless problems have been moved back into the public eye. But I just really wanted to say a special thank you to the Councils very own Community support officers that walked by with out stopping to help the old guy that I was trying to help that had fallen over and busted his nose. May I also add that nobody else in fact came to help, and even though I was covered in his blood I enjoyed trying to explain that to a traffic warden in Warrior Square car park that I was 2 minutes late cos I had to stop and help. I was still presented with a Parking Fine. If we want to save the air show then all I can say is we all get a fluorescent jackets some buckets and start picking penny's. M Brijlall
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2:08am Tue 15 Jan 13

emcee says...

£130,000 seems a drop in the ocean comapred to what they need to save and so seems a bit silly to headline the fact that they are only going to be saving such a small amount by scrapping the airshow. Don't get me wrong, I am not bothered the airshow has been scrapped. After all, I gave up on it when it ceased being a decent airshow eons ago. What I do get angry about, though, is that the council make all these silly little savings here and there when there are easily larger savings to be made elsewhere. However,the council seem reluctant to do so. Call me cynical but I cannot help thinking that this is because the people who make these decisions and manage our services have their own self interests to think about.
Big savings can be made by not spending six figure sums (or more) yearly on overly expensive temp staff. Also, by not paying council management such obscene salaries. This council would have more credibility if they started saving from the top down rather than the bottom up. Try sacking a few higher managers that surplus to requirements, rather than move them sideways into other "created job titles". Giving the other high paid staff a pay cut. If they do not like it perhaps they could always try and find a job elsewhere. I bet they will soon find out which side their bread is buttered if forced into that position.
Many of the towns multi million pound building projects could, also, be put on hold. After all, the council allow other developers to put their projects on hold, don't they?
Southend council can quite easily save millions at the drop of a hat but by doing so the decision makers need to put the people of the town first and not themselves.
£130,000 seems a drop in the ocean comapred to what they need to save and so seems a bit silly to headline the fact that they are only going to be saving such a small amount by scrapping the airshow. Don't get me wrong, I am not bothered the airshow has been scrapped. After all, I gave up on it when it ceased being a decent airshow eons ago. What I do get angry about, though, is that the council make all these silly little savings here and there when there are easily larger savings to be made elsewhere. However,the council seem reluctant to do so. Call me cynical but I cannot help thinking that this is because the people who make these decisions and manage our services have their own self interests to think about. Big savings can be made by not spending six figure sums (or more) yearly on overly expensive temp staff. Also, by not paying council management such obscene salaries. This council would have more credibility if they started saving from the top down rather than the bottom up. Try sacking a few higher managers that surplus to requirements, rather than move them sideways into other "created job titles". Giving the other high paid staff a pay cut. If they do not like it perhaps they could always try and find a job elsewhere. I bet they will soon find out which side their bread is buttered if forced into that position. Many of the towns multi million pound building projects could, also, be put on hold. After all, the council allow other developers to put their projects on hold, don't they? Southend council can quite easily save millions at the drop of a hat but by doing so the decision makers need to put the people of the town first and not themselves. emcee
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2:53am Tue 15 Jan 13

LisaWOS says...

Such sad news :(. Why not charge everyone £1? I'm sure the first time that I went we had to pay?!

I have so many memories from the Airshow, ranging from the first one that I went to with my parents, the one as a 16 yr old with my school friends (taking photos of Philip Schofields bum), first one with college friends that we spent on the roof of the Esplanade pub, the one where some Raf guys were pretending I was chatting to the pilots flying past on a radio (realised they were on the roof of the army van when they asked us to flash our boobies), the one where I ended up dating an Raf guy, the ones with my own children - even in the rain!

God I'm so upset that it's been cancelled!

I am also worried about the £1.7m children and education cut! I'm so fed up with this country! So fed up with it! Wish we had the money to wave goodbye as really there isn't very much that's GREAT about BRITAIN!!!!!
Such sad news :(. Why not charge everyone £1? I'm sure the first time that I went we had to pay?! I have so many memories from the Airshow, ranging from the first one that I went to with my parents, the one as a 16 yr old with my school friends (taking photos of Philip Schofields bum), first one with college friends that we spent on the roof of the Esplanade pub, the one where some Raf guys were pretending I was chatting to the pilots flying past on a radio (realised they were on the roof of the army van when they asked us to flash our boobies), the one where I ended up dating an Raf guy, the ones with my own children - even in the rain! God I'm so upset that it's been cancelled! I am also worried about the £1.7m children and education cut! I'm so fed up with this country! So fed up with it! Wish we had the money to wave goodbye as really there isn't very much that's GREAT about BRITAIN!!!!! LisaWOS
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8:22am Tue 15 Jan 13

Firestormgjc says...

emcee wrote:
£130,000 seems a drop in the ocean comapred to what they need to save and so seems a bit silly to headline the fact that they are only going to be saving such a small amount by scrapping the airshow. Don't get me wrong, I am not bothered the airshow has been scrapped. After all, I gave up on it when it ceased being a decent airshow eons ago. What I do get angry about, though, is that the council make all these silly little savings here and there when there are easily larger savings to be made elsewhere. However,the council seem reluctant to do so. Call me cynical but I cannot help thinking that this is because the people who make these decisions and manage our services have their own self interests to think about. Big savings can be made by not spending six figure sums (or more) yearly on overly expensive temp staff. Also, by not paying council management such obscene salaries. This council would have more credibility if they started saving from the top down rather than the bottom up. Try sacking a few higher managers that surplus to requirements, rather than move them sideways into other "created job titles". Giving the other high paid staff a pay cut. If they do not like it perhaps they could always try and find a job elsewhere. I bet they will soon find out which side their bread is buttered if forced into that position. Many of the towns multi million pound building projects could, also, be put on hold. After all, the council allow other developers to put their projects on hold, don't they? Southend council can quite easily save millions at the drop of a hat but by doing so the decision makers need to put the people of the town first and not themselves.
Err,,have you read the article in full, or this mornings echo
1.7M cut from Childrens services 1.8M cut from Adult services, 80 posts going of which 41 were currently vacant (that'll be why they were employing "temps") and all the staff are on a wage freeze (and have been for two years now).

If the airshow was such a money spinner then one will assume all those making the money will have no qualms about clubbing together the meet the 130k, the bulk of which is policing costs.

The Childrens services were, after last years Ofsted report, one of the top 5 boroughs in the country at protecting Children , They may well find that hard to maintain after these cuts.
[quote][p][bold]emcee[/bold] wrote: £130,000 seems a drop in the ocean comapred to what they need to save and so seems a bit silly to headline the fact that they are only going to be saving such a small amount by scrapping the airshow. Don't get me wrong, I am not bothered the airshow has been scrapped. After all, I gave up on it when it ceased being a decent airshow eons ago. What I do get angry about, though, is that the council make all these silly little savings here and there when there are easily larger savings to be made elsewhere. However,the council seem reluctant to do so. Call me cynical but I cannot help thinking that this is because the people who make these decisions and manage our services have their own self interests to think about. Big savings can be made by not spending six figure sums (or more) yearly on overly expensive temp staff. Also, by not paying council management such obscene salaries. This council would have more credibility if they started saving from the top down rather than the bottom up. Try sacking a few higher managers that surplus to requirements, rather than move them sideways into other "created job titles". Giving the other high paid staff a pay cut. If they do not like it perhaps they could always try and find a job elsewhere. I bet they will soon find out which side their bread is buttered if forced into that position. Many of the towns multi million pound building projects could, also, be put on hold. After all, the council allow other developers to put their projects on hold, don't they? Southend council can quite easily save millions at the drop of a hat but by doing so the decision makers need to put the people of the town first and not themselves.[/p][/quote]Err,,have you read the article in full, or this mornings echo 1.7M cut from Childrens services 1.8M cut from Adult services, 80 posts going of which 41 were currently vacant (that'll be why they were employing "temps") and all the staff are on a wage freeze (and have been for two years now). If the airshow was such a money spinner then one will assume all those making the money will have no qualms about clubbing together the meet the 130k, the bulk of which is policing costs. The Childrens services were, after last years Ofsted report, one of the top 5 boroughs in the country at protecting Children , They may well find that hard to maintain after these cuts. Firestormgjc
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8:32am Tue 15 Jan 13

maxell says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.
So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped...

Move to margate they like your type down there.
Aw diddums, didda big an nasty council-wouncil take poor Maxy-waxy's ickle airshow away?

Hahaha!
I used to fire profesional fireworks and the going rate about 8 years ago was an estimated £1000 per minuite
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.[/p][/quote]So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped... Move to margate they like your type down there.[/p][/quote]Aw diddums, didda big an nasty council-wouncil take poor Maxy-waxy's ickle airshow away? Hahaha![/p][/quote]I used to fire profesional fireworks and the going rate about 8 years ago was an estimated £1000 per minuite maxell
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8:53am Tue 15 Jan 13

SUFC1906 says...

Hidden within this report is the line "council tax to rise by 1.75%". For those that learned maths properly years ago "when is a council tax freeze trumpeted by Cameron turned into a rise of any percent"? Surely a freeze is at 0% ie the same as the previous year or is that the Osborne school of economics. Can you fool all of the people all of the time? You bet they can.
Hidden within this report is the line "council tax to rise by 1.75%". For those that learned maths properly years ago "when is a council tax freeze trumpeted by Cameron turned into a rise of any percent"? Surely a freeze is at 0% ie the same as the previous year or is that the Osborne school of economics. Can you fool all of the people all of the time? You bet they can. SUFC1906
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9:00am Tue 15 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

maxell wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.
So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped...

Move to margate they like your type down there.
Aw diddums, didda big an nasty council-wouncil take poor Maxy-waxy's ickle airshow away?

Hahaha!
I used to fire profesional fireworks and the going rate about 8 years ago was an estimated £1000 per minuite
Well gosh, and erm, so what? Is that why you have a fetish for planes? Is that you who parks up at the end of the runway, steaming up your car windows as you get 'excited' at the planes landing and taking off?
[quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: The airshow stopped being an airshow years ago. These days it's a double-glazing sales convention with a couple of Southend bound flights diverted along the seafront.[/p][/quote]So you moan not enough is done in Southend then are happy when the town biggest even of the year is scrapped... Move to margate they like your type down there.[/p][/quote]Aw diddums, didda big an nasty council-wouncil take poor Maxy-waxy's ickle airshow away? Hahaha![/p][/quote]I used to fire profesional fireworks and the going rate about 8 years ago was an estimated £1000 per minuite[/p][/quote]Well gosh, and erm, so what? Is that why you have a fetish for planes? Is that you who parks up at the end of the runway, steaming up your car windows as you get 'excited' at the planes landing and taking off? Shoebury_Cyclist
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9:09am Tue 15 Jan 13

pussycatpurrs says...

Stop wasting money on Fireworks every year, no need to have em several weekends a year, I should imagine a few quid is spent there and going up in smoke.
Stop wasting money on Fireworks every year, no need to have em several weekends a year, I should imagine a few quid is spent there and going up in smoke. pussycatpurrs
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9:10am Tue 15 Jan 13

maxell says...

How can the council state that the airport is needed for tourism and that is what is needed, southend & rochford council are resposible for deverting millions of out of the economy, southend = everything bad for the shoppers, parking lack of outlets, airport retail park looks set to close as well , "the airport want the land", airport boasting x amout of flights out, all taking money from the economy, the latest money looser will be flights to manchester from southend, for £20 or near as, a direct bus route to the chaford center on the No 8 bus, thats as cheap as going to blue water or lakeside , when you consider traffic hold up caused by abismal saddlers farm road works, tail backs on the M25 and increasing toll fees and your fuel, it will be cheaper to go to one of the biggest cenetrs in the UK, I think the councils are now realising that they are responsible for the bigget blunder in their political carees, as I said earlier they have sold you all down the line and have become sacrificial lambs to the stobart gods, I am ashamed of you all.
How can the council state that the airport is needed for tourism and that is what is needed, southend & rochford council are resposible for deverting millions of out of the economy, southend = everything bad for the shoppers, parking lack of outlets, airport retail park looks set to close as well , "the airport want the land", airport boasting x amout of flights out, all taking money from the economy, the latest money looser will be flights to manchester from southend, for £20 or near as, a direct bus route to the chaford center on the No 8 bus, thats as cheap as going to blue water or lakeside , when you consider traffic hold up caused by abismal saddlers farm road works, tail backs on the M25 and increasing toll fees and your fuel, it will be cheaper to go to one of the biggest cenetrs in the UK, I think the councils are now realising that they are responsible for the bigget blunder in their political carees, as I said earlier they have sold you all down the line and have become sacrificial lambs to the stobart gods, I am ashamed of you all. maxell
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9:25am Tue 15 Jan 13

Nebs says...

maxell wrote:
How can the council state that the airport is needed for tourism and that is what is needed, southend & rochford council are resposible for deverting millions of out of the economy, southend = everything bad for the shoppers, parking lack of outlets, airport retail park looks set to close as well , "the airport want the land", airport boasting x amout of flights out, all taking money from the economy, the latest money looser will be flights to manchester from southend, for £20 or near as, a direct bus route to the chaford center on the No 8 bus, thats as cheap as going to blue water or lakeside , when you consider traffic hold up caused by abismal saddlers farm road works, tail backs on the M25 and increasing toll fees and your fuel, it will be cheaper to go to one of the biggest cenetrs in the UK, I think the councils are now realising that they are responsible for the bigget blunder in their political carees, as I said earlier they have sold you all down the line and have become sacrificial lambs to the stobart gods, I am ashamed of you all.
But what about all the money the airport is bringing into the local economy.
[quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: How can the council state that the airport is needed for tourism and that is what is needed, southend & rochford council are resposible for deverting millions of out of the economy, southend = everything bad for the shoppers, parking lack of outlets, airport retail park looks set to close as well , "the airport want the land", airport boasting x amout of flights out, all taking money from the economy, the latest money looser will be flights to manchester from southend, for £20 or near as, a direct bus route to the chaford center on the No 8 bus, thats as cheap as going to blue water or lakeside , when you consider traffic hold up caused by abismal saddlers farm road works, tail backs on the M25 and increasing toll fees and your fuel, it will be cheaper to go to one of the biggest cenetrs in the UK, I think the councils are now realising that they are responsible for the bigget blunder in their political carees, as I said earlier they have sold you all down the line and have become sacrificial lambs to the stobart gods, I am ashamed of you all.[/p][/quote]But what about all the money the airport is bringing into the local economy. Nebs
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9:28am Tue 15 Jan 13

Carnabackable says...

maxell wrote:
How can the council state that the airport is needed for tourism and that is what is needed, southend & rochford council are resposible for deverting millions of out of the economy, southend = everything bad for the shoppers, parking lack of outlets, airport retail park looks set to close as well , "the airport want the land", airport boasting x amout of flights out, all taking money from the economy, the latest money looser will be flights to manchester from southend, for £20 or near as, a direct bus route to the chaford center on the No 8 bus, thats as cheap as going to blue water or lakeside , when you consider traffic hold up caused by abismal saddlers farm road works, tail backs on the M25 and increasing toll fees and your fuel, it will be cheaper to go to one of the biggest cenetrs in the UK, I think the councils are now realising that they are responsible for the bigget blunder in their political carees, as I said earlier they have sold you all down the line and have become sacrificial lambs to the stobart gods, I am ashamed of you all.
Tut tut, these are the times we live in, the airport is a real asset, as the web and on-line shopping grows and grows, the need and desire to go down to the shops diminish.

The air show has had it's day, end of.
The Pier with it's lack of entertainment, could do with closing for 5 months of the year. As for the woes you freely give us, remember to realise what and where we are, and thus we will learn to cut and trim, as time passes and demand from walk in customers lessen, we will begin to realise the need for we all thought was a necessity, develop into a distant memory. One day all shopping will be done via the web, the horrendous shopping malls, will be flattened, with parks,lakes and trees returning.
[quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: How can the council state that the airport is needed for tourism and that is what is needed, southend & rochford council are resposible for deverting millions of out of the economy, southend = everything bad for the shoppers, parking lack of outlets, airport retail park looks set to close as well , "the airport want the land", airport boasting x amout of flights out, all taking money from the economy, the latest money looser will be flights to manchester from southend, for £20 or near as, a direct bus route to the chaford center on the No 8 bus, thats as cheap as going to blue water or lakeside , when you consider traffic hold up caused by abismal saddlers farm road works, tail backs on the M25 and increasing toll fees and your fuel, it will be cheaper to go to one of the biggest cenetrs in the UK, I think the councils are now realising that they are responsible for the bigget blunder in their political carees, as I said earlier they have sold you all down the line and have become sacrificial lambs to the stobart gods, I am ashamed of you all.[/p][/quote]Tut tut, these are the times we live in, the airport is a real asset, as the web and on-line shopping grows and grows, the need and desire to go down to the shops diminish. The air show has had it's day, end of. The Pier with it's lack of entertainment, could do with closing for 5 months of the year. As for the woes you freely give us, remember to realise what and where we are, and thus we will learn to cut and trim, as time passes and demand from walk in customers lessen, we will begin to realise the need for we all thought was a necessity, develop into a distant memory. One day all shopping will be done via the web, the horrendous shopping malls, will be flattened, with parks,lakes and trees returning. Carnabackable
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10:02am Tue 15 Jan 13

pullhispantsoff says...

Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge..............
.......this is so true
Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge.............. .......this is so true pullhispantsoff
  • Score: 0

10:07am Tue 15 Jan 13

J_blond says...

For those complaining about the new Library, it's being funded jointly with Essex University and South Essex College - it's also half built, so the council can't really pull funding out of that can they?

Also, the roads schemes are funded by government grants, given specifically for that work. It does not make up the council's operating budget, so again, the A127 improvements have no bearing on the council's position whether they go ahead or not.

Saying that - the airshow does bring a lot of people to Southend. A couple of years ago you couldn't walk down the seafront at all! £130,000 is a small price to pay for an event that brings thousands to the town, and tourists spend...
For those complaining about the new Library, it's being funded jointly with Essex University and South Essex College - it's also half built, so the council can't really pull funding out of that can they? Also, the roads schemes are funded by government grants, given specifically for that work. It does not make up the council's operating budget, so again, the A127 improvements have no bearing on the council's position whether they go ahead or not. Saying that - the airshow does bring a lot of people to Southend. A couple of years ago you couldn't walk down the seafront at all! £130,000 is a small price to pay for an event that brings thousands to the town, and tourists spend... J_blond
  • Score: 0

10:44am Tue 15 Jan 13

J_blond says...

pullhispantsoff wrote:
Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge.............. .......this is so true
When the Tories came in, there were two options - turn a blind eye to the mess the country was in, which would cause the UK to be bankrupt, or make cuts here, there and everywhere to try and move us back to a stable footing financially.

Both were no-win situations in terms of public thinking, but in order to save the country, sacrifices need to be made. If Labour had been responsible, we wouldn't need the cuts.

Put it this way, it's either a few businesses going under, a few (thousand I admit) jobs, or a lot of businesses going under with the loss of millions of jobs.
[quote][p][bold]pullhispantsoff[/bold] wrote: Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge.............. .......this is so true[/p][/quote]When the Tories came in, there were two options - turn a blind eye to the mess the country was in, which would cause the UK to be bankrupt, or make cuts here, there and everywhere to try and move us back to a stable footing financially. Both were no-win situations in terms of public thinking, but in order to save the country, sacrifices need to be made. If Labour had been responsible, we wouldn't need the cuts. Put it this way, it's either a few businesses going under, a few (thousand I admit) jobs, or a lot of businesses going under with the loss of millions of jobs. J_blond
  • Score: 0

10:46am Tue 15 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

pullhispantsoff wrote:
Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge..............

.......this is so true
No, that's a tory lie. When the crisis hit the UK had the second lowest debt in the G7.

http://johannhari.co
m/2011/03/29/the-big
gest-lie-in-british-
politics/

Saying the crash was down to Labour is also a tory lie:

http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/ramesh-p
atel/growth-cameron-
austerity_b_2007552.
html
[quote][p][bold]pullhispantsoff[/bold] wrote: Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge.............. .......this is so true[/p][/quote]No, that's a tory lie. When the crisis hit the UK had the second lowest debt in the G7. http://johannhari.co m/2011/03/29/the-big gest-lie-in-british- politics/ Saying the crash was down to Labour is also a tory lie: http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/ramesh-p atel/growth-cameron- austerity_b_2007552. html Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: 1

10:46am Tue 15 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

J_blond wrote:
pullhispantsoff wrote:
Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge.............. .......this is so true
When the Tories came in, there were two options - turn a blind eye to the mess the country was in, which would cause the UK to be bankrupt, or make cuts here, there and everywhere to try and move us back to a stable footing financially.

Both were no-win situations in terms of public thinking, but in order to save the country, sacrifices need to be made. If Labour had been responsible, we wouldn't need the cuts.

Put it this way, it's either a few businesses going under, a few (thousand I admit) jobs, or a lot of businesses going under with the loss of millions of jobs.
No, that's a tory lie. When the crisis hit the UK had the second lowest debt in the G7.

http://johannhari.co

m/2011/03/29/the-big

gest-lie-in-british-

politics/

Saying the crash was down to Labour is also a tory lie:

http://www.huffingto

npost.co.uk/ramesh-p

atel/growth-cameron-

austerity_b_2007552.

html
[quote][p][bold]J_blond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pullhispantsoff[/bold] wrote: Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge.............. .......this is so true[/p][/quote]When the Tories came in, there were two options - turn a blind eye to the mess the country was in, which would cause the UK to be bankrupt, or make cuts here, there and everywhere to try and move us back to a stable footing financially. Both were no-win situations in terms of public thinking, but in order to save the country, sacrifices need to be made. If Labour had been responsible, we wouldn't need the cuts. Put it this way, it's either a few businesses going under, a few (thousand I admit) jobs, or a lot of businesses going under with the loss of millions of jobs.[/p][/quote]No, that's a tory lie. When the crisis hit the UK had the second lowest debt in the G7. http://johannhari.co m/2011/03/29/the-big gest-lie-in-british- politics/ Saying the crash was down to Labour is also a tory lie: http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/ramesh-p atel/growth-cameron- austerity_b_2007552. html Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: 1

11:36am Tue 15 Jan 13

mrttev says...

Human right is getting more ridiculous. there is one way and another don't . We do not know which way to turn. wish live in the 60"s where we made no fuss . now we all hear is MOAN MOAN MOAN ........... cant we consider how lucky we are in this bloody country. where another country are worse off no freedom and starve
Human right is getting more ridiculous. there is one way and another don't . We do not know which way to turn. wish live in the 60"s where we made no fuss . now we all hear is MOAN MOAN MOAN ........... cant we consider how lucky we are in this bloody country. where another country are worse off no freedom and starve mrttev
  • Score: 0

11:54am Tue 15 Jan 13

Alice in Her Own Land :P says...

Max Impact wrote:
Scrapping the airshow will please few but the nimbys and down sayers. But why a photo of Clacton!
The photo of Clacton is obviously used to make Southend Air-Show better than it actually Is! It's well past it's sell by date, so time for new attractions for the Sea Front. It has become nothing more than a few kites in the sky, and a load of tat on the ground.
[quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: Scrapping the airshow will please few but the nimbys and down sayers. But why a photo of Clacton![/p][/quote]The photo of Clacton is obviously used to make Southend Air-Show better than it actually Is! It's well past it's sell by date, so time for new attractions for the Sea Front. It has become nothing more than a few kites in the sky, and a load of tat on the ground. Alice in Her Own Land :P
  • Score: 0

11:55am Tue 15 Jan 13

J_blond says...

Ok fair enough, so can you tell me what the best measure is to get the country back on its feet after the global economic crisis of 2008 / 2009?
Ok fair enough, so can you tell me what the best measure is to get the country back on its feet after the global economic crisis of 2008 / 2009? J_blond
  • Score: 0

12:39pm Tue 15 Jan 13

sjwilson says...

Sign My Petition to Save Southend Airshow.

https://www.change.o
rg/petitions/southen
d-council-don-t-canc
el-the-airshow
Sign My Petition to Save Southend Airshow. https://www.change.o rg/petitions/southen d-council-don-t-canc el-the-airshow sjwilson
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

sjwilson wrote:
Sign My Petition to Save Southend Airshow.

https://www.change.o

rg/petitions/southen

d-council-don-t-canc

el-the-airshow
No.
[quote][p][bold]sjwilson[/bold] wrote: Sign My Petition to Save Southend Airshow. https://www.change.o rg/petitions/southen d-council-don-t-canc el-the-airshow[/p][/quote]No. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: 1

12:51pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Ossiett says...

Why does it need to be a 'free' air festival, with 300,000 people if they charged a £1 per head as they did when the air show first started it would more than pay for itself. Plus maybe take the air show away from the council and give it to festival organisers and create camping grounds where pitches could be paid for. The air festival could be one of the council services that could be handed over to be run by business people who know how to make money from such a huge crowd. Shame to lose such an event in one of the most natural arenas around.
Why does it need to be a 'free' air festival, with 300,000 people if they charged a £1 per head as they did when the air show first started it would more than pay for itself. Plus maybe take the air show away from the council and give it to festival organisers and create camping grounds where pitches could be paid for. The air festival could be one of the council services that could be handed over to be run by business people who know how to make money from such a huge crowd. Shame to lose such an event in one of the most natural arenas around. Ossiett
  • Score: 0

1:02pm Tue 15 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
pullhispantsoff wrote:
Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge..............


.......this is so true
No, that's a tory lie. When the crisis hit the UK had the second lowest debt in the G7.

http://johannhari.co

m/2011/03/29/the-big

gest-lie-in-british-

politics/

Saying the crash was down to Labour is also a tory lie:

http://www.huffingto

npost.co.uk/ramesh-p

atel/growth-cameron-

austerity_b_2007552.

html
you joker. we already discredited this article on another story where you confessed your mistrust of blogs by nobodies. so what is it you post...a blog by a nobody.
wonder why our crisis was worse than the rest of the g7...gordon bust giving the green light to the casino banks to stick it all on red. our plight is entirely labour's fault.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pullhispantsoff[/bold] wrote: Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge.............. .......this is so true[/p][/quote]No, that's a tory lie. When the crisis hit the UK had the second lowest debt in the G7. http://johannhari.co m/2011/03/29/the-big gest-lie-in-british- politics/ Saying the crash was down to Labour is also a tory lie: http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/ramesh-p atel/growth-cameron- austerity_b_2007552. html[/p][/quote]you joker. we already discredited this article on another story where you confessed your mistrust of blogs by nobodies. so what is it you post...a blog by a nobody. wonder why our crisis was worse than the rest of the g7...gordon bust giving the green light to the casino banks to stick it all on red. our plight is entirely labour's fault. asbo. just the truth
  • Score: 0

1:18pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

asbo. just the truth wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
pullhispantsoff wrote:
Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge..............



.......this is so true
No, that's a tory lie. When the crisis hit the UK had the second lowest debt in the G7.

http://johannhari.co


m/2011/03/29/the-big


gest-lie-in-british-


politics/

Saying the crash was down to Labour is also a tory lie:

http://www.huffingto


npost.co.uk/ramesh-p


atel/growth-cameron-


austerity_b_2007552.


html
you joker. we already discredited this article on another story where you confessed your mistrust of blogs by nobodies. so what is it you post...a blog by a nobody.
wonder why our crisis was worse than the rest of the g7...gordon bust giving the green light to the casino banks to stick it all on red. our plight is entirely labour's fault.
Cobblers. You discredited nothing, just refused to acknowledge the truth that the tories are lying through their teeth. And ignorant mugs like you are lapping it up.
[quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pullhispantsoff[/bold] wrote: Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge.............. .......this is so true[/p][/quote]No, that's a tory lie. When the crisis hit the UK had the second lowest debt in the G7. http://johannhari.co m/2011/03/29/the-big gest-lie-in-british- politics/ Saying the crash was down to Labour is also a tory lie: http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/ramesh-p atel/growth-cameron- austerity_b_2007552. html[/p][/quote]you joker. we already discredited this article on another story where you confessed your mistrust of blogs by nobodies. so what is it you post...a blog by a nobody. wonder why our crisis was worse than the rest of the g7...gordon bust giving the green light to the casino banks to stick it all on red. our plight is entirely labour's fault.[/p][/quote]Cobblers. You discredited nothing, just refused to acknowledge the truth that the tories are lying through their teeth. And ignorant mugs like you are lapping it up. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: 1

1:19pm Tue 15 Jan 13

WhateverS says...

Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people
If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up
Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket
No thought not
Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket No thought not WhateverS
  • Score: 0

1:26pm Tue 15 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

J_blond wrote:
Ok fair enough, so can you tell me what the best measure is to get the country back on its feet after the global economic crisis of 2008 / 2009?
dear voters, i propose a policy of spend, spend and spend a bit more. then get the imf in. whoops the imf won't have any cash then either. signed ed balls
[quote][p][bold]J_blond[/bold] wrote: Ok fair enough, so can you tell me what the best measure is to get the country back on its feet after the global economic crisis of 2008 / 2009?[/p][/quote]dear voters, i propose a policy of spend, spend and spend a bit more. then get the imf in. whoops the imf won't have any cash then either. signed ed balls asbo. just the truth
  • Score: 0

1:29pm Tue 15 Jan 13

shoeburyden says...

so lets find some cutbacks.
museum not viable, why should people come to southend to see a white elephant, although it will be free entry. thats £35ml
library we have a perfecly good one it just needs to be modernised. thats another £20ml
the sea defence at shoebury common, not needed for another 30 years, by then there will be better ways to defend aginst the sea, the cash for this is coming from the enviroment aency, i can see this being misused for other projects,
so lets find some cutbacks. museum not viable, why should people come to southend to see a white elephant, although it will be free entry. thats £35ml library we have a perfecly good one it just needs to be modernised. thats another £20ml the sea defence at shoebury common, not needed for another 30 years, by then there will be better ways to defend aginst the sea, the cash for this is coming from the enviroment aency, i can see this being misused for other projects, shoeburyden
  • Score: 0

1:34pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Public Inconvenience says...

Council falling back on it's own promise,when the Air Show was moved from it's traditional bank holiday slot last year due to Queen's Jubilee celebrations they stated it would be back in it's usual place in the calendar in 2013.
Council falling back on it's own promise,when the Air Show was moved from it's traditional bank holiday slot last year due to Queen's Jubilee celebrations they stated it would be back in it's usual place in the calendar in 2013. Public Inconvenience
  • Score: 0

1:35pm Tue 15 Jan 13

NatalieSayer says...

It was actually Stobart that leaned on the council to stop the airshow. Continuing with the airshow was against Stowbart's best business interests.

Stobart didn't want the airshow this year as it would be extremely difficult to accomodate with their new increased number of major flights coming in and out of the airport.

They also don't need the airshow's 'happy airport' PR anymore. They won. The airport was expanded. Done. No more need for hearts and minds.

Without Stobart allowing airport access and promotion, there can't be an airshow. But as Stobart pretty much own the council, the story is spun as "let's blame a budget cut!". No-one gets hurt and the buck gets passed
It was actually Stobart that leaned on the council to stop the airshow. Continuing with the airshow was against Stowbart's best business interests. Stobart didn't want the airshow this year as it would be extremely difficult to accomodate with their new increased number of major flights coming in and out of the airport. They also don't need the airshow's 'happy airport' PR anymore. They won. The airport was expanded. Done. No more need for hearts and minds. Without Stobart allowing airport access and promotion, there can't be an airshow. But as Stobart pretty much own the council, the story is spun as "let's blame a budget cut!". No-one gets hurt and the buck gets passed NatalieSayer
  • Score: 0

1:36pm Tue 15 Jan 13

asbo. just the truth says...

Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
asbo. just the truth wrote:
Shoebury_Cyclist wrote:
pullhispantsoff wrote:
Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge..............




.......this is so true
No, that's a tory lie. When the crisis hit the UK had the second lowest debt in the G7.

http://johannhari.co



m/2011/03/29/the-big



gest-lie-in-british-



politics/

Saying the crash was down to Labour is also a tory lie:

http://www.huffingto



npost.co.uk/ramesh-p



atel/growth-cameron-



austerity_b_2007552.



html
you joker. we already discredited this article on another story where you confessed your mistrust of blogs by nobodies. so what is it you post...a blog by a nobody.
wonder why our crisis was worse than the rest of the g7...gordon bust giving the green light to the casino banks to stick it all on red. our plight is entirely labour's fault.
Cobblers. You discredited nothing, just refused to acknowledge the truth that the tories are lying through their teeth. And ignorant mugs like you are lapping it up.
haha you could fit his knowledge of economics onto a square of andrex no make that a soiled square of andrex. the public sector bloat of which you were so patently a beneficiary is now being managed accordingly.
[quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asbo. just the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoebury_Cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pullhispantsoff[/bold] wrote: Labour bankrupted the country with their spend now tax later policy, now the full extent of the mess the reds left is coming out and deeds are being done to try and get the country back on a soundish footing people blame those in charge.............. .......this is so true[/p][/quote]No, that's a tory lie. When the crisis hit the UK had the second lowest debt in the G7. http://johannhari.co m/2011/03/29/the-big gest-lie-in-british- politics/ Saying the crash was down to Labour is also a tory lie: http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/ramesh-p atel/growth-cameron- austerity_b_2007552. html[/p][/quote]you joker. we already discredited this article on another story where you confessed your mistrust of blogs by nobodies. so what is it you post...a blog by a nobody. wonder why our crisis was worse than the rest of the g7...gordon bust giving the green light to the casino banks to stick it all on red. our plight is entirely labour's fault.[/p][/quote]Cobblers. You discredited nothing, just refused to acknowledge the truth that the tories are lying through their teeth. And ignorant mugs like you are lapping it up.[/p][/quote]haha you could fit his knowledge of economics onto a square of andrex no make that a soiled square of andrex. the public sector bloat of which you were so patently a beneficiary is now being managed accordingly. asbo. just the truth
  • Score: 0

1:39pm Tue 15 Jan 13

shoeburyden says...

some other wasted projects, the culture centre at the end of the pier, best part of a million wasted, a cafe that seats 20 inside, a room with very expensive photos, the council want to change its name because nobody goes there, i can think of a few.
jand everytime a loaded JKS lorry leaves the cliffs site thats £140
INNER LONDON we should reclaim all of there sites as they are playing the property market and leaving ugly sites, i am sure with the £35ml saving from the museum, the council could get a developer to build some affordable houses
some other wasted projects, the culture centre at the end of the pier, best part of a million wasted, a cafe that seats 20 inside, a room with very expensive photos, the council want to change its name because nobody goes there, i can think of a few. jand everytime a loaded JKS lorry leaves the cliffs site thats £140 INNER LONDON we should reclaim all of there sites as they are playing the property market and leaving ugly sites, i am sure with the £35ml saving from the museum, the council could get a developer to build some affordable houses shoeburyden
  • Score: 0

1:45pm Tue 15 Jan 13

j-w says...

NatalieSayer wrote:
It was actually Stobart that leaned on the council to stop the airshow. Continuing with the airshow was against Stowbart's best business interests.

Stobart didn't want the airshow this year as it would be extremely difficult to accomodate with their new increased number of major flights coming in and out of the airport.

They also don't need the airshow's 'happy airport' PR anymore. They won. The airport was expanded. Done. No more need for hearts and minds.

Without Stobart allowing airport access and promotion, there can't be an airshow. But as Stobart pretty much own the council, the story is spun as "let's blame a budget cut!". No-one gets hurt and the buck gets passed
What rubbish, where are your facts for this? I would love Stobart and easyjet to take a stand against idiots who post unsubstantiated rubbish about them on public boards.

The airshow would not cause any problem to the operation of the airport.

None of the performing aircraft would need to use the airport at all but some chose to base there during the weekend of the display.
Clacton has a very good show but no airport.
[quote][p][bold]NatalieSayer[/bold] wrote: It was actually Stobart that leaned on the council to stop the airshow. Continuing with the airshow was against Stowbart's best business interests. Stobart didn't want the airshow this year as it would be extremely difficult to accomodate with their new increased number of major flights coming in and out of the airport. They also don't need the airshow's 'happy airport' PR anymore. They won. The airport was expanded. Done. No more need for hearts and minds. Without Stobart allowing airport access and promotion, there can't be an airshow. But as Stobart pretty much own the council, the story is spun as "let's blame a budget cut!". No-one gets hurt and the buck gets passed[/p][/quote]What rubbish, where are your facts for this? I would love Stobart and easyjet to take a stand against idiots who post unsubstantiated rubbish about them on public boards. The airshow would not cause any problem to the operation of the airport. None of the performing aircraft would need to use the airport at all but some chose to base there during the weekend of the display. Clacton has a very good show but no airport. j-w
  • Score: 0

1:46pm Tue 15 Jan 13

southend_Dave says...

Alice in Her Own Land :P wrote:
Max Impact wrote:
Scrapping the airshow will please few but the nimbys and down sayers. But why a photo of Clacton!
The photo of Clacton is obviously used to make Southend Air-Show better than it actually Is! It's well past it's sell by date, so time for new attractions for the Sea Front. It has become nothing more than a few kites in the sky, and a load of tat on the ground.
Every time I go there its absolutely packed and theres no other event that brings so many people to the seafront.

People obviously enjoy those "kites"
[quote][p][bold]Alice in Her Own Land :P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Impact[/bold] wrote: Scrapping the airshow will please few but the nimbys and down sayers. But why a photo of Clacton![/p][/quote]The photo of Clacton is obviously used to make Southend Air-Show better than it actually Is! It's well past it's sell by date, so time for new attractions for the Sea Front. It has become nothing more than a few kites in the sky, and a load of tat on the ground.[/p][/quote]Every time I go there its absolutely packed and theres no other event that brings so many people to the seafront. People obviously enjoy those "kites" southend_Dave
  • Score: 0

1:54pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Broadwaywatch says...

shoeburyden wrote:
some other wasted projects, the culture centre at the end of the pier, best part of a million wasted, a cafe that seats 20 inside, a room with very expensive photos, the council want to change its name because nobody goes there, i can think of a few.
jand everytime a loaded JKS lorry leaves the cliffs site thats £140
INNER LONDON we should reclaim all of there sites as they are playing the property market and leaving ugly sites, i am sure with the £35ml saving from the museum, the council could get a developer to build some affordable houses
Is the cafe in Warrior Square open yet?
Whenever I have looked its seems to be empty. Perhaps its just a summer thing and I am expecting too much. Mind you it would have been nice to have sat in there and watched the seasons unfolding.
[quote][p][bold]shoeburyden[/bold] wrote: some other wasted projects, the culture centre at the end of the pier, best part of a million wasted, a cafe that seats 20 inside, a room with very expensive photos, the council want to change its name because nobody goes there, i can think of a few. jand everytime a loaded JKS lorry leaves the cliffs site thats £140 INNER LONDON we should reclaim all of there sites as they are playing the property market and leaving ugly sites, i am sure with the £35ml saving from the museum, the council could get a developer to build some affordable houses[/p][/quote]Is the cafe in Warrior Square open yet? Whenever I have looked its seems to be empty. Perhaps its just a summer thing and I am expecting too much. Mind you it would have been nice to have sat in there and watched the seasons unfolding. Broadwaywatch
  • Score: 0

2:01pm Tue 15 Jan 13

shoeburyden says...

we are all to blame, it seems we have voted in a dictatorship
we are all to blame, it seems we have voted in a dictatorship shoeburyden
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2:21pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Shrimpers Not Blues says...

The council have lost the plot

The airshow fills the seafront for one weekend a year and bring in much needed trade.

Closing the Pier for 2 days a week is nonsense as well. The council have never realised the potential of the Pier. Any where else "The Worlds Longest Pier" would be utilised to the max. Instead we get a pre-fab box plonked on the end....sorry a cultural centre... each time I've been down there it's empty and closed. Come on Council wake up and smell something!!!! Or stand aside and let people who care about the town take control.
The council have lost the plot The airshow fills the seafront for one weekend a year and bring in much needed trade. Closing the Pier for 2 days a week is nonsense as well. The council have never realised the potential of the Pier. Any where else "The Worlds Longest Pier" would be utilised to the max. Instead we get a pre-fab box plonked on the end....sorry a cultural centre... each time I've been down there it's empty and closed. Come on Council wake up and smell something!!!! Or stand aside and let people who care about the town take control. Shrimpers Not Blues
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2:51pm Tue 15 Jan 13

r6keith says...

thamesboy wrote:
What a disgrace !!!! This ridiculous council really needs to look inwards at its own house rather than cutting 2 days of huge revenue generation for the towns seafront traders, not to mention the RNLI shop at the end of the pier which will lose 52 days trading,revenue which is vital to them!!! The folly of repainting and revising the layout of seafront parking !!! The SPY car, the library on the cliffs and these are just the ones we know of !!!!! Wake up council, these 2 institutions are great adverts Southend !!! Get rid of Holdcroft next time Leigh residents !!!!
I do not like the choices made but be realistic how much revenue will really be lost on a Monday and Tuesday during those cold wet winter months ?
[quote][p][bold]thamesboy[/bold] wrote: What a disgrace !!!! This ridiculous council really needs to look inwards at its own house rather than cutting 2 days of huge revenue generation for the towns seafront traders, not to mention the RNLI shop at the end of the pier which will lose 52 days trading,revenue which is vital to them!!! The folly of repainting and revising the layout of seafront parking !!! The SPY car, the library on the cliffs and these are just the ones we know of !!!!! Wake up council, these 2 institutions are great adverts Southend !!! Get rid of Holdcroft next time Leigh residents !!!![/p][/quote]I do not like the choices made but be realistic how much revenue will really be lost on a Monday and Tuesday during those cold wet winter months ? r6keith
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3:24pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Nutter_Alan says...

My personal opinion is that the Airshow has gone downhill in terms of ground entertainment for a few years now, but still in general, the people running the Council are fools for axeing a 2 day that brings tourism to Southend.
Idiots! The lot of 'em
My personal opinion is that the Airshow has gone downhill in terms of ground entertainment for a few years now, but still in general, the people running the Council are fools for axeing a 2 day that brings tourism to Southend. Idiots! The lot of 'em Nutter_Alan
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3:50pm Tue 15 Jan 13

J_blond says...

shoeburyden wrote:
so lets find some cutbacks. museum not viable, why should people come to southend to see a white elephant, although it will be free entry. thats £35ml library we have a perfecly good one it just needs to be modernised. thats another £20ml the sea defence at shoebury common, not needed for another 30 years, by then there will be better ways to defend aginst the sea, the cash for this is coming from the enviroment aency, i can see this being misused for other projects,
First, where did you get £20 million from for the library? Southend Council is putting in £12 million.

Secondly, it's a partner in a three-way project with the University of Essex and South Essex College. The project has already started, building work is underway. It can't just pull out can it!

Thirdly - although I'm not an expert, I'm sure the money has already been budgeted, and is therefore not part of the council's operational costs.

Those moaning about the cost of City Beach as well - remember that was part of the government grant for the 'Better Southend' project, again, not linked to the council budget.
[quote][p][bold]shoeburyden[/bold] wrote: so lets find some cutbacks. museum not viable, why should people come to southend to see a white elephant, although it will be free entry. thats £35ml library we have a perfecly good one it just needs to be modernised. thats another £20ml the sea defence at shoebury common, not needed for another 30 years, by then there will be better ways to defend aginst the sea, the cash for this is coming from the enviroment aency, i can see this being misused for other projects,[/p][/quote]First, where did you get £20 million from for the library? Southend Council is putting in £12 million. Secondly, it's a partner in a three-way project with the University of Essex and South Essex College. The project has already started, building work is underway. It can't just pull out can it! Thirdly - although I'm not an expert, I'm sure the money has already been budgeted, and is therefore not part of the council's operational costs. Those moaning about the cost of City Beach as well - remember that was part of the government grant for the 'Better Southend' project, again, not linked to the council budget. J_blond
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4:07pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Keptquiettillnow says...

What about the refit of the council offices, if it ever happened?
What about the refit of the council offices, if it ever happened? Keptquiettillnow
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4:44pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Save the Airshow says...

To support Southend Airshow continuing please "LIKE" the Save Southend Airshow page & share the link - With enough support the council may have to reconsider - Thank You - http://www.facebook.
com/SaveAirshowSouth
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To support Southend Airshow continuing please "LIKE" the Save Southend Airshow page & share the link - With enough support the council may have to reconsider - Thank You - http://www.facebook. com/SaveAirshowSouth end Save the Airshow
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5:22pm Tue 15 Jan 13

sjwilson says...

Any don't forget to sign the petition. Thankyou. https://www.change.o
rg/petitions/southen
d-council-don-t-canc
el-the-airshow
Any don't forget to sign the petition. Thankyou. https://www.change.o rg/petitions/southen d-council-don-t-canc el-the-airshow sjwilson
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5:49pm Tue 15 Jan 13

spencer123 says...

sensiblelos wrote:
the residents of Southend have an easyjet airshow everyday, southend airport/easyjet now dominates the sky, is it any surprise now that all permissions have been granted by Southend Council that the proper airshow has stopped. Of course Southend Council now make money out of the Airport so they do exactly what they are told , when the Airport state that the airspace is restricted everything stops..the residents have exactly what they wished for an airshow everyday....
well said
[quote][p][bold]sensiblelos[/bold] wrote: the residents of Southend have an easyjet airshow everyday, southend airport/easyjet now dominates the sky, is it any surprise now that all permissions have been granted by Southend Council that the proper airshow has stopped. Of course Southend Council now make money out of the Airport so they do exactly what they are told , when the Airport state that the airspace is restricted everything stops..the residents have exactly what they wished for an airshow everyday....[/p][/quote]well said spencer123
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6:02pm Tue 15 Jan 13

spencer123 says...

Broadwaywatch wrote:
Nebs wrote:
Broadwaywatch wrote:
maxell wrote:
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
and it would seem the loss of an ancient footpath, footpath 36 from Eastwood to Rochford. A footpath which has been there long before the airport built a taxiway across it back in the early sixties. However, the airport back then also painted a zebra crossing on the tarmac so that the footpath could continue un-obstructed and un-obstructed it has remained until now. Now the owners of the airport are intent in closing this most often quiet rural walk and diverting it onto a busy main road. The reason they say is because of security . It seems strange that it's taken them all this time to come to this conclusion. However, if this is truly the reason then I propose that such a problem could easily be solved with an electronic gate with a camera either side of the taxiway where it crosses the footpath. I believe it to be a logical, and community minded solution to such a said problem.
If you buy a house under a flightpath, you can't complain when planes fly overhead. If you buy an airport with a footpath going through the middle, you can't complain if people want to walk along it.
Well said Nebs. Thank you
i did buy a house under the flight path and yes i can complain, as when i brought my house 20 years ago, there was nothing in my deeds or searches to say that the airport could or would be extended and i did not realise also that my taxes would pay for the new road to make the runway possible or the JAAP which was not worth the paper it was written on. If the council do not have the money, they cannot wave a magic wand and produce it, the whole country has to make cut backs, its not going to suit everyone, but apparently now the runway has been extended, this is going to bring business to southend, i wont hold my breath. Perhaps the council should start looking at what will bring people to southend all year round and not just two days of the year
[quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.[/p][/quote]and it would seem the loss of an ancient footpath, footpath 36 from Eastwood to Rochford. A footpath which has been there long before the airport built a taxiway across it back in the early sixties. However, the airport back then also painted a zebra crossing on the tarmac so that the footpath could continue un-obstructed and un-obstructed it has remained until now. Now the owners of the airport are intent in closing this most often quiet rural walk and diverting it onto a busy main road. The reason they say is because of security . It seems strange that it's taken them all this time to come to this conclusion. However, if this is truly the reason then I propose that such a problem could easily be solved with an electronic gate with a camera either side of the taxiway where it crosses the footpath. I believe it to be a logical, and community minded solution to such a said problem.[/p][/quote]If you buy a house under a flightpath, you can't complain when planes fly overhead. If you buy an airport with a footpath going through the middle, you can't complain if people want to walk along it.[/p][/quote]Well said Nebs. Thank you[/p][/quote]i did buy a house under the flight path and yes i can complain, as when i brought my house 20 years ago, there was nothing in my deeds or searches to say that the airport could or would be extended and i did not realise also that my taxes would pay for the new road to make the runway possible or the JAAP which was not worth the paper it was written on. If the council do not have the money, they cannot wave a magic wand and produce it, the whole country has to make cut backs, its not going to suit everyone, but apparently now the runway has been extended, this is going to bring business to southend, i wont hold my breath. Perhaps the council should start looking at what will bring people to southend all year round and not just two days of the year spencer123
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6:08pm Tue 15 Jan 13

sensiblelos says...

population of southend 174,300, would 130,000 people within the borough contribute a pound to save the Airshow, would they donate to the Council to keep the airshow, no . would they agree to an increase in council tax to keep the Airshow no. polls mean nothing , finance does , would those businesses who supposedly make so much money out of the airshow sponsor the airshow no..until that time as a taxpayer i have enough of looking at planes everyday courtesy of Southend Borough Council thats enough for me.....
population of southend 174,300, would 130,000 people within the borough contribute a pound to save the Airshow, would they donate to the Council to keep the airshow, no . would they agree to an increase in council tax to keep the Airshow no. polls mean nothing , finance does , would those businesses who supposedly make so much money out of the airshow sponsor the airshow no..until that time as a taxpayer i have enough of looking at planes everyday courtesy of Southend Borough Council thats enough for me..... sensiblelos
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6:30pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Essex Medja says...

I agree with sensiblelos, if this event is such a money making scheme then let those businesses who benefit pay. Southend is neither a tourist mecca nor is it the main industry and hasn't been for decades. It is a dormitory town and the majority commute and work in other sectors. We have to get away from pandering to the golden mile "kiss me quick" influence and move into the real world. As to attracting visditors to spend money in local shops, the internet will completely kill of the high street in about 10 years, if not sooner. What will SBC startegy be for the next decade?
I agree with sensiblelos, if this event is such a money making scheme then let those businesses who benefit pay. Southend is neither a tourist mecca nor is it the main industry and hasn't been for decades. It is a dormitory town and the majority commute and work in other sectors. We have to get away from pandering to the golden mile "kiss me quick" influence and move into the real world. As to attracting visditors to spend money in local shops, the internet will completely kill of the high street in about 10 years, if not sooner. What will SBC startegy be for the next decade? Essex Medja
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7:15pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Broadwaywatch says...

spencer123 wrote:
Broadwaywatch wrote:
Nebs wrote:
Broadwaywatch wrote:
maxell wrote:
you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.
and it would seem the loss of an ancient footpath, footpath 36 from Eastwood to Rochford. A footpath which has been there long before the airport built a taxiway across it back in the early sixties. However, the airport back then also painted a zebra crossing on the tarmac so that the footpath could continue un-obstructed and un-obstructed it has remained until now. Now the owners of the airport are intent in closing this most often quiet rural walk and diverting it onto a busy main road. The reason they say is because of security . It seems strange that it's taken them all this time to come to this conclusion. However, if this is truly the reason then I propose that such a problem could easily be solved with an electronic gate with a camera either side of the taxiway where it crosses the footpath. I believe it to be a logical, and community minded solution to such a said problem.
If you buy a house under a flightpath, you can't complain when planes fly overhead. If you buy an airport with a footpath going through the middle, you can't complain if people want to walk along it.
Well said Nebs. Thank you
i did buy a house under the flight path and yes i can complain, as when i brought my house 20 years ago, there was nothing in my deeds or searches to say that the airport could or would be extended and i did not realise also that my taxes would pay for the new road to make the runway possible or the JAAP which was not worth the paper it was written on. If the council do not have the money, they cannot wave a magic wand and produce it, the whole country has to make cut backs, its not going to suit everyone, but apparently now the runway has been extended, this is going to bring business to southend, i wont hold my breath. Perhaps the council should start looking at what will bring people to southend all year round and not just two days of the year
To be fair I think Nebs was only agreeing with what I had to say about the footpath and was using the statement about those who bought 'houses under the flight path' by way and means of turning around previous quotes regarding the footpath situation. It came across to me as being aimed and rightly so, at the Airport not at you or those others who have property under the flight path.
[quote][p][bold]spencer123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Broadwaywatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: you cant speculate when you are dominated by the airport, this council now has to ask the airport if any event will affect them, you cant even run a ballonn race now with out consultation , and they are also moaning about the paper floating lanterns, they rule the roost, the council have sold you all doen the line , yes there maybe jobs and yes it might be conveinent , but look at the cost, loss of the air show , closing of the peir, and the incease in taxes to make up the loss that would have come from the air display revenue, whilst the airport makes profit ,so you are effectivly paying for the airport once again. what has the councils done ? no way back you have sold your souls.[/p][/quote]and it would seem the loss of an ancient footpath, footpath 36 from Eastwood to Rochford. A footpath which has been there long before the airport built a taxiway across it back in the early sixties. However, the airport back then also painted a zebra crossing on the tarmac so that the footpath could continue un-obstructed and un-obstructed it has remained until now. Now the owners of the airport are intent in closing this most often quiet rural walk and diverting it onto a busy main road. The reason they say is because of security . It seems strange that it's taken them all this time to come to this conclusion. However, if this is truly the reason then I propose that such a problem could easily be solved with an electronic gate with a camera either side of the taxiway where it crosses the footpath. I believe it to be a logical, and community minded solution to such a said problem.[/p][/quote]If you buy a house under a flightpath, you can't complain when planes fly overhead. If you buy an airport with a footpath going through the middle, you can't complain if people want to walk along it.[/p][/quote]Well said Nebs. Thank you[/p][/quote]i did buy a house under the flight path and yes i can complain, as when i brought my house 20 years ago, there was nothing in my deeds or searches to say that the airport could or would be extended and i did not realise also that my taxes would pay for the new road to make the runway possible or the JAAP which was not worth the paper it was written on. If the council do not have the money, they cannot wave a magic wand and produce it, the whole country has to make cut backs, its not going to suit everyone, but apparently now the runway has been extended, this is going to bring business to southend, i wont hold my breath. Perhaps the council should start looking at what will bring people to southend all year round and not just two days of the year[/p][/quote]To be fair I think Nebs was only agreeing with what I had to say about the footpath and was using the statement about those who bought 'houses under the flight path' by way and means of turning around previous quotes regarding the footpath situation. It came across to me as being aimed and rightly so, at the Airport not at you or those others who have property under the flight path. Broadwaywatch
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7:24pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

shoeburyden wrote:
we are all to blame, it seems we have voted in a dictatorship
I didn't. There's an easy way to remember who to vote for:


Never, ever, trust a Tory.
[quote][p][bold]shoeburyden[/bold] wrote: we are all to blame, it seems we have voted in a dictatorship[/p][/quote]I didn't. There's an easy way to remember who to vote for: Never, ever, trust a Tory. Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: 1

7:28pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Shoebury_Cyclist says...

NatalieSayer wrote:
It was actually Stobart that leaned on the council to stop the airshow. Continuing with the airshow was against Stowbart's best business interests.

Stobart didn't want the airshow this year as it would be extremely difficult to accomodate with their new increased number of major flights coming in and out of the airport.

They also don't need the airshow's 'happy airport' PR anymore. They won. The airport was expanded. Done. No more need for hearts and minds.

Without Stobart allowing airport access and promotion, there can't be an airshow. But as Stobart pretty much own the council, the story is spun as "let's blame a budget cut!". No-one gets hurt and the buck gets passed
Sssshhhh, that truth will explode Max Impact's head. Hahaha!
[quote][p][bold]NatalieSayer[/bold] wrote: It was actually Stobart that leaned on the council to stop the airshow. Continuing with the airshow was against Stowbart's best business interests. Stobart didn't want the airshow this year as it would be extremely difficult to accomodate with their new increased number of major flights coming in and out of the airport. They also don't need the airshow's 'happy airport' PR anymore. They won. The airport was expanded. Done. No more need for hearts and minds. Without Stobart allowing airport access and promotion, there can't be an airshow. But as Stobart pretty much own the council, the story is spun as "let's blame a budget cut!". No-one gets hurt and the buck gets passed[/p][/quote]Sssshhhh, that truth will explode Max Impact's head. Hahaha! Shoebury_Cyclist
  • Score: 1

8:05pm Tue 15 Jan 13

firedog says...

WhateverS wrote:
Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people
If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up
Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket
No thought not
At last someone with a sensible comment,Who is going to pay a pound,when you can see it for free anywhere in the town?
[quote][p][bold]WhateverS[/bold] wrote: Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket No thought not[/p][/quote]At last someone with a sensible comment,Who is going to pay a pound,when you can see it for free anywhere in the town? firedog
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8:31pm Tue 15 Jan 13

I love Essex says...

Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?
Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's? I love Essex
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9:27pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Broadwaywatch says...

I love Essex wrote:
Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?
on what you comment then perhaps its Easy Jets intention to offer a rescue package at the last moment there by gaining community praise. Just a thought
[quote][p][bold]I love Essex[/bold] wrote: Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?[/p][/quote]on what you comment then perhaps its Easy Jets intention to offer a rescue package at the last moment there by gaining community praise. Just a thought Broadwaywatch
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9:27pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Broadwaywatch says...

I love Essex wrote:
Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?
on what you comment then perhaps its Easy Jets intention to offer a rescue package at the last moment there by gaining community praise. Just a thought
[quote][p][bold]I love Essex[/bold] wrote: Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?[/p][/quote]on what you comment then perhaps its Easy Jets intention to offer a rescue package at the last moment there by gaining community praise. Just a thought Broadwaywatch
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9:53pm Tue 15 Jan 13

sensiblelos says...

easyjet, the airport, southend council have what they want. they have the airplanes in the sky above us everyday they dont need to pay for extra airplanes..they dont care about the residents they care about the money they make....and for those that expected anything else well guess what,you have been duped...and for the rest that miss the airplanes every May come and live under the flight path... if the airport really is a good neigbour they would provide the support and the finances but they really dont care, they now have what they want just like easyjet..dont expect any sponsorship ..its just a hub area its not a destination, easyjet know it and so do the council and southend airport....
easyjet, the airport, southend council have what they want. they have the airplanes in the sky above us everyday they dont need to pay for extra airplanes..they dont care about the residents they care about the money they make....and for those that expected anything else well guess what,you have been duped...and for the rest that miss the airplanes every May come and live under the flight path... if the airport really is a good neigbour they would provide the support and the finances but they really dont care, they now have what they want just like easyjet..dont expect any sponsorship ..its just a hub area its not a destination, easyjet know it and so do the council and southend airport.... sensiblelos
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9:57pm Tue 15 Jan 13

dr de ath says...

The air show...or as my daughter so succinctly put it 'the **** in the sky'. The annual feast of clapped out useless relics, watched by sad deluded spotters and wasters.
It amazes me this drivel has lasted so long...what's the attraction of these flying killing machines?
Even the red arrows cant be bothered.
The air show...or as my daughter so succinctly put it 'the **** in the sky'. The annual feast of clapped out useless relics, watched by sad deluded spotters and wasters. It amazes me this drivel has lasted so long...what's the attraction of these flying killing machines? Even the red arrows cant be bothered. dr de ath
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10:12pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Letmetryagain says...

dr de ath wrote:
The air show...or as my daughter so succinctly put it 'the **** in the sky'. The annual feast of clapped out useless relics, watched by sad deluded spotters and wasters.
It amazes me this drivel has lasted so long...what's the attraction of these flying killing machines?
Even the red arrows cant be bothered.
Have you ever visited the planet Earth ?

Why advertise your, and your daughter's ignorance to the world ?
[quote][p][bold]dr de ath[/bold] wrote: The air show...or as my daughter so succinctly put it 'the **** in the sky'. The annual feast of clapped out useless relics, watched by sad deluded spotters and wasters. It amazes me this drivel has lasted so long...what's the attraction of these flying killing machines? Even the red arrows cant be bothered.[/p][/quote]Have you ever visited the planet Earth ? Why advertise your, and your daughter's ignorance to the world ? Letmetryagain
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10:31pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Major Incident says...

Has anyone worked out how much Southend's carbon footprint will be reduced each year by cancelling the airshow?
Has anyone worked out how much Southend's carbon footprint will be reduced each year by cancelling the airshow? Major Incident
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11:20pm Tue 15 Jan 13

thamesboy says...

r6keith wrote:
thamesboy wrote:
What a disgrace !!!! This ridiculous council really needs to look inwards at its own house rather than cutting 2 days of huge revenue generation for the towns seafront traders, not to mention the RNLI shop at the end of the pier which will lose 52 days trading,revenue which is vital to them!!! The folly of repainting and revising the layout of seafront parking !!! The SPY car, the library on the cliffs and these are just the ones we know of !!!!! Wake up council, these 2 institutions are great adverts Southend !!! Get rid of Holdcroft next time Leigh residents !!!!
I do not like the choices made but be realistic how much revenue will really be lost on a Monday and Tuesday during those cold wet winter months ?
I disagree totally, the amount lost would be approx £ 5000, this is enough to train up 4 crew members a year and the more trained lifeboat crew the more chance they have of saving lives ! That's being realistic
[quote][p][bold]r6keith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thamesboy[/bold] wrote: What a disgrace !!!! This ridiculous council really needs to look inwards at its own house rather than cutting 2 days of huge revenue generation for the towns seafront traders, not to mention the RNLI shop at the end of the pier which will lose 52 days trading,revenue which is vital to them!!! The folly of repainting and revising the layout of seafront parking !!! The SPY car, the library on the cliffs and these are just the ones we know of !!!!! Wake up council, these 2 institutions are great adverts Southend !!! Get rid of Holdcroft next time Leigh residents !!!![/p][/quote]I do not like the choices made but be realistic how much revenue will really be lost on a Monday and Tuesday during those cold wet winter months ?[/p][/quote]I disagree totally, the amount lost would be approx £ 5000, this is enough to train up 4 crew members a year and the more trained lifeboat crew the more chance they have of saving lives ! That's being realistic thamesboy
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11:45pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Cassiejanewhite says...

As a regular to the airshows I have to say rain or shine that event is what brings in the money? Cutting it would make their situation alot worse, what a stupid choice to make. They could claim the money back they paid to hold the airshows from money they make from it and amusements people use whilst there, stupid choice. I'd happily pay £1 per head to see it. Even though I stay for the whole weekend and spend well into £300 on my weekend there. That isn't including my stay at the amazing pier view hotel either.
As a regular to the airshows I have to say rain or shine that event is what brings in the money? Cutting it would make their situation alot worse, what a stupid choice to make. They could claim the money back they paid to hold the airshows from money they make from it and amusements people use whilst there, stupid choice. I'd happily pay £1 per head to see it. Even though I stay for the whole weekend and spend well into £300 on my weekend there. That isn't including my stay at the amazing pier view hotel either. Cassiejanewhite
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11:48pm Tue 15 Jan 13

jayman says...

Major Incident wrote:
Has anyone worked out how much Southend's carbon footprint will be reduced each year by cancelling the airshow?
yep, but the saving is massively offset by orange and white generic abominations that arrive and depart from Southend airport.
[quote][p][bold]Major Incident[/bold] wrote: Has anyone worked out how much Southend's carbon footprint will be reduced each year by cancelling the airshow?[/p][/quote]yep, but the saving is massively offset by orange and white generic abominations that arrive and depart from Southend airport. jayman
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11:55pm Tue 15 Jan 13

jayman says...

Essex Medja wrote:
I agree with sensiblelos, if this event is such a money making scheme then let those businesses who benefit pay. Southend is neither a tourist mecca nor is it the main industry and hasn't been for decades. It is a dormitory town and the majority commute and work in other sectors. We have to get away from pandering to the golden mile "kiss me quick" influence and move into the real world. As to attracting visditors to spend money in local shops, the internet will completely kill of the high street in about 10 years, if not sooner. What will SBC startegy be for the next decade?
sounds like a comment from the bowels of a person who works in PR.
[quote][p][bold]Essex Medja[/bold] wrote: I agree with sensiblelos, if this event is such a money making scheme then let those businesses who benefit pay. Southend is neither a tourist mecca nor is it the main industry and hasn't been for decades. It is a dormitory town and the majority commute and work in other sectors. We have to get away from pandering to the golden mile "kiss me quick" influence and move into the real world. As to attracting visditors to spend money in local shops, the internet will completely kill of the high street in about 10 years, if not sooner. What will SBC startegy be for the next decade?[/p][/quote]sounds like a comment from the bowels of a person who works in PR. jayman
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12:25am Wed 16 Jan 13

mrjames1972 says...

Social media can make a difference please "LIKE" the page, share it & encourage friends to add their support - with enough "likes" the council would have to consider the deeper implications at the next Council Election so please vote TO SAVE by simply "Liking" the page & sharing it. - http://www.facebook.
com/SaveAirshowSouth
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Social media can make a difference please "LIKE" the page, share it & encourage friends to add their support - with enough "likes" the council would have to consider the deeper implications at the next Council Election so please vote TO SAVE by simply "Liking" the page & sharing it. - http://www.facebook. com/SaveAirshowSouth end mrjames1972
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12:29am Wed 16 Jan 13

Essex Medja says...

jayman wrote:
Essex Medja wrote:
I agree with sensiblelos, if this event is such a money making scheme then let those businesses who benefit pay. Southend is neither a tourist mecca nor is it the main industry and hasn't been for decades. It is a dormitory town and the majority commute and work in other sectors. We have to get away from pandering to the golden mile "kiss me quick" influence and move into the real world. As to attracting visditors to spend money in local shops, the internet will completely kill of the high street in about 10 years, if not sooner. What will SBC startegy be for the next decade?
sounds like a comment from the bowels of a person who works in PR.
Oh very adult. Is that the best you can come up with!!!
[quote][p][bold]jayman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Essex Medja[/bold] wrote: I agree with sensiblelos, if this event is such a money making scheme then let those businesses who benefit pay. Southend is neither a tourist mecca nor is it the main industry and hasn't been for decades. It is a dormitory town and the majority commute and work in other sectors. We have to get away from pandering to the golden mile "kiss me quick" influence and move into the real world. As to attracting visditors to spend money in local shops, the internet will completely kill of the high street in about 10 years, if not sooner. What will SBC startegy be for the next decade?[/p][/quote]sounds like a comment from the bowels of a person who works in PR.[/p][/quote]Oh very adult. Is that the best you can come up with!!! Essex Medja
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9:22am Wed 16 Jan 13

Nebs says...

firedog wrote:
WhateverS wrote:
Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people
If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up
Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket
No thought not
At last someone with a sensible comment,Who is going to pay a pound,when you can see it for free anywhere in the town?
I'd pay £1. I'd even pay £2.
[quote][p][bold]firedog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WhateverS[/bold] wrote: Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket No thought not[/p][/quote]At last someone with a sensible comment,Who is going to pay a pound,when you can see it for free anywhere in the town?[/p][/quote]I'd pay £1. I'd even pay £2. Nebs
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10:18am Wed 16 Jan 13

ccd says...

If I'd been asked the same question ten years ago I'd have said no. In recent years it's become a farce though. A few boring prop plan display teams, 1 jet if your lucky and the Lanc etc. The first few years had some great planes and genuinely exciting displays. I'm plane mad and even I can't get the enthusiasm to go down for more than an hour or so when the token good plane does it's thing.
If I'd been asked the same question ten years ago I'd have said no. In recent years it's become a farce though. A few boring prop plan display teams, 1 jet if your lucky and the Lanc etc. The first few years had some great planes and genuinely exciting displays. I'm plane mad and even I can't get the enthusiasm to go down for more than an hour or so when the token good plane does it's thing. ccd
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11:52am Wed 16 Jan 13

Jamama says...

dr de ath wrote:
The air show...or as my daughter so succinctly put it 'the **** in the sky'. The annual feast of clapped out useless relics, watched by sad deluded spotters and wasters.
It amazes me this drivel has lasted so long...what's the attraction of these flying killing machines?
Even the red arrows cant be bothered.
YEAH MAN Eurofighter, Lynx Heli... +

ofc they are relics
[quote][p][bold]dr de ath[/bold] wrote: The air show...or as my daughter so succinctly put it 'the **** in the sky'. The annual feast of clapped out useless relics, watched by sad deluded spotters and wasters. It amazes me this drivel has lasted so long...what's the attraction of these flying killing machines? Even the red arrows cant be bothered.[/p][/quote]YEAH MAN Eurofighter, Lynx Heli... + ofc they are relics Jamama
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12:09pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Piersight says...

sjwilson wrote:
Are they Crazy? Out of touch council, why not sack a few councillors instead of denying people the joy of the airshow?
Looks like they’re cutting a few jobs, but the chief exec still gets more for trying to run Southend than the Prime Minister gets for trying to run the country.
[quote][p][bold]sjwilson[/bold] wrote: Are they Crazy? Out of touch council, why not sack a few councillors instead of denying people the joy of the airshow?[/p][/quote]Looks like they’re cutting a few jobs, but the chief exec still gets more for trying to run Southend than the Prime Minister gets for trying to run the country. Piersight
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12:25pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Piersight says...

II wonder how much of the £130,000 of our money the council spends on the air show finds its way into the accounts of Southend residents and how much into the accounts of businesses owned by corporations or individuals from outside the borough? And I wonder how many people who looked at the council’s on-line budget setting simulator last year still think budget setting is a simple process? I guess we can all think of some alternative cut to suggest fairly quickly, but there’s quite a big picture to consider.
II wonder how much of the £130,000 of our money the council spends on the air show finds its way into the accounts of Southend residents and how much into the accounts of businesses owned by corporations or individuals from outside the borough? And I wonder how many people who looked at the council’s on-line budget setting simulator last year still think budget setting is a simple process? I guess we can all think of some alternative cut to suggest fairly quickly, but there’s quite a big picture to consider. Piersight
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1:04pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Jamama says...

Piersight wrote:
sjwilson wrote:
Are they Crazy? Out of touch council, why not sack a few councillors instead of denying people the joy of the airshow?
Looks like they’re cutting a few jobs, but the chief exec still gets more for trying to run Southend than the Prime Minister gets for trying to run the country.
Its actually stobart who run the airport who said no to the airshow.
[quote][p][bold]Piersight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sjwilson[/bold] wrote: Are they Crazy? Out of touch council, why not sack a few councillors instead of denying people the joy of the airshow?[/p][/quote]Looks like they’re cutting a few jobs, but the chief exec still gets more for trying to run Southend than the Prime Minister gets for trying to run the country.[/p][/quote]Its actually stobart who run the airport who said no to the airshow. Jamama
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1:28pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Baker-Boy says...

Nebs wrote:
firedog wrote:
WhateverS wrote: Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket No thought not
At last someone with a sensible comment,Who is going to pay a pound,when you can see it for free anywhere in the town?
I'd pay £1. I'd even pay £2.
im sorry but how do you pay for an event in the sky? you could watch from most places in southend
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]firedog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WhateverS[/bold] wrote: Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket No thought not[/p][/quote]At last someone with a sensible comment,Who is going to pay a pound,when you can see it for free anywhere in the town?[/p][/quote]I'd pay £1. I'd even pay £2.[/p][/quote]im sorry but how do you pay for an event in the sky? you could watch from most places in southend Baker-Boy
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2:34pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Hannah Foster says...

Test Tickle wrote:
R.I.P Southend, you got your Airport which makes a few people a lot of money and lost your airshow that generated cash for many, can any of you put your hand on your heart and say Southend council are working for the good of the residents of the town and are fit for purpose?
Nearly wet my knickers when I read this contributors name. Look forward to hearing more from him ( I presume)!
[quote][p][bold]Test Tickle[/bold] wrote: R.I.P Southend, you got your Airport which makes a few people a lot of money and lost your airshow that generated cash for many, can any of you put your hand on your heart and say Southend council are working for the good of the residents of the town and are fit for purpose?[/p][/quote]Nearly wet my knickers when I read this contributors name. Look forward to hearing more from him ( I presume)! Hannah Foster
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2:45pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Hannah Foster says...

NatalieSayer wrote:
It was actually Stobart that leaned on the council to stop the airshow. Continuing with the airshow was against Stowbart's best business interests.

Stobart didn't want the airshow this year as it would be extremely difficult to accomodate with their new increased number of major flights coming in and out of the airport.

They also don't need the airshow's 'happy airport' PR anymore. They won. The airport was expanded. Done. No more need for hearts and minds.

Without Stobart allowing airport access and promotion, there can't be an airshow. But as Stobart pretty much own the council, the story is spun as "let's blame a budget cut!". No-one gets hurt and the buck gets passed
Good point. But it seems the big guy always wins. Who really benefits from the airport anyway apart from a few holiday makers off to booze it up in the arse end of Europe? Stobart of course and Easy Jet and the like (and their shareholders). The noise and stink of aviation fuel and traffic problems are just tough luck for the residents who pay the wages of the council. Poor old Southend, the council are doing everything humanly possible to run it into the ground and turn it into ghost town by the sea.
[quote][p][bold]NatalieSayer[/bold] wrote: It was actually Stobart that leaned on the council to stop the airshow. Continuing with the airshow was against Stowbart's best business interests. Stobart didn't want the airshow this year as it would be extremely difficult to accomodate with their new increased number of major flights coming in and out of the airport. They also don't need the airshow's 'happy airport' PR anymore. They won. The airport was expanded. Done. No more need for hearts and minds. Without Stobart allowing airport access and promotion, there can't be an airshow. But as Stobart pretty much own the council, the story is spun as "let's blame a budget cut!". No-one gets hurt and the buck gets passed[/p][/quote]Good point. But it seems the big guy always wins. Who really benefits from the airport anyway apart from a few holiday makers off to booze it up in the arse end of Europe? Stobart of course and Easy Jet and the like (and their shareholders). The noise and stink of aviation fuel and traffic problems are just tough luck for the residents who pay the wages of the council. Poor old Southend, the council are doing everything humanly possible to run it into the ground and turn it into ghost town by the sea. Hannah Foster
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2:53pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Hannah Foster says...

I love Essex wrote:
Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]I love Essex[/bold] wrote: Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?[/p][/quote]Well said! Hannah Foster
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3:05pm Wed 16 Jan 13

spencer123 says...

Hannah Foster wrote:
I love Essex wrote:
Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?
Well said!
even if they did, what about next years, do u really think that the country and councils will sort themselves out by then!! this is an on going problem that will take years to rectify
[quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I love Essex[/bold] wrote: Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?[/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]even if they did, what about next years, do u really think that the country and councils will sort themselves out by then!! this is an on going problem that will take years to rectify spencer123
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3:14pm Wed 16 Jan 13

A Pedant says...

NatalieSayer says...

It was actually Stobart that leaned on the council to stop the airshow. Continuing with the airshow was against Stowbart's best business interests.

Stobart didn't want the airshow this year as it would be extremely difficult to accomodate with their new increased number of major flights coming in and out of the airport.

They also don't need the airshow's 'happy airport' PR anymore. They won. The airport was expanded. Done. No more need for hearts and minds.

Without Stobart allowing airport access and promotion, there can't be an airshow. But as Stobart pretty much own the council, the story is spun as "let's blame a budget cut!". No-one gets hurt and the buck gets passed



I am not disputing this as I simply don't know the answer, however, are you sure of your 'facts' here as it seems odd, if not unlikely, that Stobarts would have that level of influence (despite what Jayman and Shoebury Tricyclist imply). They may have refused to make space available for participating planes, however, I wouldn't have thought that the entire airshow would have been reliant on Stobarts' approval.
NatalieSayer says... It was actually Stobart that leaned on the council to stop the airshow. Continuing with the airshow was against Stowbart's best business interests. Stobart didn't want the airshow this year as it would be extremely difficult to accomodate with their new increased number of major flights coming in and out of the airport. They also don't need the airshow's 'happy airport' PR anymore. They won. The airport was expanded. Done. No more need for hearts and minds. Without Stobart allowing airport access and promotion, there can't be an airshow. But as Stobart pretty much own the council, the story is spun as "let's blame a budget cut!". No-one gets hurt and the buck gets passed I am not disputing this as I simply don't know the answer, however, are you sure of your 'facts' here as it seems odd, if not unlikely, that Stobarts would have that level of influence (despite what Jayman and Shoebury Tricyclist imply). They may have refused to make space available for participating planes, however, I wouldn't have thought that the entire airshow would have been reliant on Stobarts' approval. A Pedant
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4:27pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Essex Medja says...

Nebs wrote:
firedog wrote:
WhateverS wrote:
Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people
If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up
Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket
No thought not
At last someone with a sensible comment,Who is going to pay a pound,when you can see it for free anywhere in the town?
I'd pay £1. I'd even pay £2.
Good for you, so only another £129,998 to go !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]firedog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WhateverS[/bold] wrote: Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket No thought not[/p][/quote]At last someone with a sensible comment,Who is going to pay a pound,when you can see it for free anywhere in the town?[/p][/quote]I'd pay £1. I'd even pay £2.[/p][/quote]Good for you, so only another £129,998 to go !!!! Essex Medja
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4:52pm Wed 16 Jan 13

j-w says...

Don't forget if they reintroduced paying it would need a lot more than £130000 to cover it, I hate to think how much it cost the first year of the airshow to erect the barriers and controls which lots of people evaded anyway, which is why it was the only year they tried to charge.
Don't forget if they reintroduced paying it would need a lot more than £130000 to cover it, I hate to think how much it cost the first year of the airshow to erect the barriers and controls which lots of people evaded anyway, which is why it was the only year they tried to charge. j-w
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4:57pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Hannah Foster says...

spencer123 wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
I love Essex wrote:
Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?
Well said!
even if they did, what about next years, do u really think that the country and councils will sort themselves out by then!! this is an on going problem that will take years to rectify
It will take years to rectify if the powers that be continue on their current arse about face trajectory. If however they engage their brains we could see a much more satisfactory outcome. It seems that the actual citizens take second place to just about every hairbrained vanity project that the council and government can come up with. Most people using the airport drive or take the train to the airport, fly off and then come back, jump into their car/train and clear off. When the airshow is on people come for the day, eat, drink, shop and make use of the various leisure activities. It puts the town no the map. We need more of this type of thing. I have noticed that most of the tempting bargain air fares that were about in the early days of the airport expansion have dried up. Why? Well because the bosses have got what they wanted so to he'll with the locals.
[quote][p][bold]spencer123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I love Essex[/bold] wrote: Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?[/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]even if they did, what about next years, do u really think that the country and councils will sort themselves out by then!! this is an on going problem that will take years to rectify[/p][/quote]It will take years to rectify if the powers that be continue on their current arse about face trajectory. If however they engage their brains we could see a much more satisfactory outcome. It seems that the actual citizens take second place to just about every hairbrained vanity project that the council and government can come up with. Most people using the airport drive or take the train to the airport, fly off and then come back, jump into their car/train and clear off. When the airshow is on people come for the day, eat, drink, shop and make use of the various leisure activities. It puts the town no the map. We need more of this type of thing. I have noticed that most of the tempting bargain air fares that were about in the early days of the airport expansion have dried up. Why? Well because the bosses have got what they wanted so to he'll with the locals. Hannah Foster
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4:58pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Hannah Foster says...

Hannah Foster wrote:
spencer123 wrote:
Hannah Foster wrote:
I love Essex wrote:
Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?
Well said!
even if they did, what about next years, do u really think that the country and councils will sort themselves out by then!! this is an on going problem that will take years to rectify
It will take years to rectify if the powers that be continue on their current arse about face trajectory. If however they engage their brains we could see a much more satisfactory outcome. It seems that the actual citizens take second place to just about every hairbrained vanity project that the council and government can come up with. Most people using the airport drive or take the train to the airport, fly off and then come back, jump into their car/train and clear off. When the airshow is on people come for the day, eat, drink, shop and make use of the various leisure activities. It puts the town no the map. We need more of this type of thing. I have noticed that most of the tempting bargain air fares that were about in the early days of the airport expansion have dried up. Why? Well because the bosses have got what they wanted so to he'll with the locals.
That'll be hell rather than he will!
[quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spencer123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I love Essex[/bold] wrote: Just question. If easy jet did sponsor last year, for whatever reason, if they know there is a lot of discomfort amongst community re airport, why not sponsor again? Given airport is doing so well? Don't bite the hand that supports you? Unless you had other intentions and don't give a monky's?[/p][/quote]Well said![/p][/quote]even if they did, what about next years, do u really think that the country and councils will sort themselves out by then!! this is an on going problem that will take years to rectify[/p][/quote]It will take years to rectify if the powers that be continue on their current arse about face trajectory. If however they engage their brains we could see a much more satisfactory outcome. It seems that the actual citizens take second place to just about every hairbrained vanity project that the council and government can come up with. Most people using the airport drive or take the train to the airport, fly off and then come back, jump into their car/train and clear off. When the airshow is on people come for the day, eat, drink, shop and make use of the various leisure activities. It puts the town no the map. We need more of this type of thing. I have noticed that most of the tempting bargain air fares that were about in the early days of the airport expansion have dried up. Why? Well because the bosses have got what they wanted so to he'll with the locals.[/p][/quote]That'll be hell rather than he will! Hannah Foster
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5:56pm Wed 16 Jan 13

andy:) says...

Baker-Boy wrote:
Nebs wrote:
firedog wrote:
WhateverS wrote: Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket No thought not
At last someone with a sensible comment,Who is going to pay a pound,when you can see it for free anywhere in the town?
I'd pay £1. I'd even pay £2.
im sorry but how do you pay for an event in the sky? you could watch from most places in southend
They used to charge to watch from certain areas like the Cliffs and put screens up in other areas so you couldnt see.

I think dropping the show is a dumb idea and typical of Tory shortsightedness, cut everything they cry and save a few quid without thinking of the wider impact.

They will save £130K, yet the show brings in £10 million, how stupid can they be !. this week's failings of HMV and Blockbuster show that high street footfall is very important.

Still, we know who not to vote for come the elections, for too long this area has voted for any idiot in blue rossette, in local and government elections, some people would vote for a monkey if he was dressed in blue, how else can you explain the election of David Ames, the most useless Mp ever.

Andy
[quote][p][bold]Baker-Boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]firedog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WhateverS[/bold] wrote: Good ridence tatty old planes tatty old people If you want it pay for it your self put up or shut up Nobody want to put their hand in their pocket No thought not[/p][/quote]At last someone with a sensible comment,Who is going to pay a pound,when you can see it for free anywhere in the town?[/p][/quote]I'd pay £1. I'd even pay £2.[/p][/quote]im sorry but how do you pay for an event in the sky? you could watch from most places in southend[/p][/quote]They used to charge to watch from certain areas like the Cliffs and put screens up in other areas so you couldnt see. I think dropping the show is a dumb idea and typical of Tory shortsightedness, cut everything they cry and save a few quid without thinking of the wider impact. They will save £130K, yet the show brings in £10 million, how stupid can they be !. this week's failings of HMV and Blockbuster show that high street footfall is very important. Still, we know who not to vote for come the elections, for too long this area has voted for any idiot in blue rossette, in local and government elections, some people would vote for a monkey if he was dressed in blue, how else can you explain the election of David Ames, the most useless Mp ever. Andy andy:)
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10:51am Thu 17 Jan 13

HadleighBoy says...

If it generates so much revenue indirectly then why not ask the businesses that everyone say benefit if they are willing to donate some of the profits they make over that weekend to cover the costs. Would be interesting to see what businesses really think. If enough is raised then put it on.
Also yes why not approiach easyjet and the other users of Southend Airport and get them to sponsor it. I do not think an admission charge will work as there are so many places that you can watch for free.
If it generates so much revenue indirectly then why not ask the businesses that everyone say benefit if they are willing to donate some of the profits they make over that weekend to cover the costs. Would be interesting to see what businesses really think. If enough is raised then put it on. Also yes why not approiach easyjet and the other users of Southend Airport and get them to sponsor it. I do not think an admission charge will work as there are so many places that you can watch for free. HadleighBoy
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11:10am Thu 17 Jan 13

Loopeyprincess says...

I think it's stupid, it brings lots of new people to Southend, it's good trade for other shops and it is a free family day out. Why build a 10 screen cinema that we don't need and scrap something everyone enjoys? They certainly aren't going to win council of the year this year that's for sure
I think it's stupid, it brings lots of new people to Southend, it's good trade for other shops and it is a free family day out. Why build a 10 screen cinema that we don't need and scrap something everyone enjoys? They certainly aren't going to win council of the year this year that's for sure Loopeyprincess
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5:29pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Essex Medja says...

andy:) says...

They will save £130K, yet the show brings in £10 million, how stupid can they be !.
.
Well why don't you pop round to your bank and borrow the £130k with the potential of the £10 million return on investment as collateral, then you can repay the loan from the profts.
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No, i thought not.
andy:) says... They will save £130K, yet the show brings in £10 million, how stupid can they be !. . Well why don't you pop round to your bank and borrow the £130k with the potential of the £10 million return on investment as collateral, then you can repay the loan from the profts. . No, i thought not. Essex Medja
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6:16pm Thu 17 Jan 13

spencer123 says...

Loopeyprincess wrote:
I think it's stupid, it brings lots of new people to Southend, it's good trade for other shops and it is a free family day out. Why build a 10 screen cinema that we don't need and scrap something everyone enjoys? They certainly aren't going to win council of the year this year that's for sure
its all very well, but if they do not have the money to pay for it, they cant.
everyone seems to forget if its raining on the day it simply doesn't bring the amount of visitors and as previously stated it for 2 days of the year, how about trying to bring visitors all year round, the failing high street, the bad road structure, there are plenty of otherthings even if the council had the money to spend it on, how about cutting the rates and trying to make people want to open a business here, making the high street interesting with different shops that somewhere like Lakeside doesn't have., instead of opening endless £ shops, the high street is dying, this is an all year round attraction, we can all moan, but this will not be the last of the cut backs as the country is in such a bad state.
[quote][p][bold]Loopeyprincess[/bold] wrote: I think it's stupid, it brings lots of new people to Southend, it's good trade for other shops and it is a free family day out. Why build a 10 screen cinema that we don't need and scrap something everyone enjoys? They certainly aren't going to win council of the year this year that's for sure[/p][/quote]its all very well, but if they do not have the money to pay for it, they cant. everyone seems to forget if its raining on the day it simply doesn't bring the amount of visitors and as previously stated it for 2 days of the year, how about trying to bring visitors all year round, the failing high street, the bad road structure, there are plenty of otherthings even if the council had the money to spend it on, how about cutting the rates and trying to make people want to open a business here, making the high street interesting with different shops that somewhere like Lakeside doesn't have., instead of opening endless £ shops, the high street is dying, this is an all year round attraction, we can all moan, but this will not be the last of the cut backs as the country is in such a bad state. spencer123
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3:04pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Jamama says...

All these comments are so dumb...

it was Stobart who isn't allowing the air show to go ahead.
All these comments are so dumb... it was Stobart who isn't allowing the air show to go ahead. Jamama
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4:54pm Fri 18 Jan 13

firedog says...

Jamama wrote:
All these comments are so dumb...

it was Stobart who isn't allowing the air show to go ahead.
How do you know that,or is it just another fact plucked from the air,like the 10.million it makes.but I suppose if you object to the airport,then blame
Stobarts.
[quote][p][bold]Jamama[/bold] wrote: All these comments are so dumb... it was Stobart who isn't allowing the air show to go ahead.[/p][/quote]How do you know that,or is it just another fact plucked from the air,like the 10.million it makes.but I suppose if you object to the airport,then blame Stobarts. firedog
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4:42pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Keptquiettillnow says...

Morrissy was right in 1988, they forgot to close it down.
Morrissy was right in 1988, they forgot to close it down. Keptquiettillnow
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5:52pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Save the Airshow says...

Over 3,600 people have already expressed support to save Southend Airshow continuing on the Facebook page. Please "LIKE" the Save Southend Airshow page on Facebook & share the link - With enough support the council may have to reconsider - Thank You - http://www.facebook.
com/SaveAirshowSouth
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Over 3,600 people have already expressed support to save Southend Airshow continuing on the Facebook page. Please "LIKE" the Save Southend Airshow page on Facebook & share the link - With enough support the council may have to reconsider - Thank You - http://www.facebook. com/SaveAirshowSouth end Save the Airshow
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