New plans for six-runway Thames Estuary airport to be unveiled

Echo: New plans for six-runway Thames Estuary airport to be unveiled New plans for six-runway Thames Estuary airport to be unveiled

NEW plans for a six-runway airport in the Thames Estuary will be unveiled this week.

The plans for the new airport, off the Isle of Sheppey, in Kent, will be presented in the House of Lords tomorrow.

London Britannia Airport, as it has been dubbed, would have a dock so goods could be shipped across from the new London Gateway superport at Stanford-le-Hope.

Echo:

A rival plan, for a four-runway airport on the Isle of Grain, also in Kent, has been put forward by Wembley Stadium designer Lord Foster.

Terminals for arrivals and departures would be located in East London, Kings Cross and Ebbsfleet, in Kent, under the plans, put forward by consortium the Thames Estuary Research and Development Company.

Lord Berkeley, who is hosting the presentation, said: “This scheme enables London to provide the most efficient and environmentally beneficial airport in the world and will safeguard the UK’s position as a global destination for business, commerce and tourism.”

The consortium suggests Crossrail, a new rail line across London, could be extended to link its London terminals with Ebbsfleet, which would be the main hub.

The UK’s only existing highspeed rail line runs through Ebbsfleet to Europe and the developers suggest new highspeed lines could link the airport with Ebbsfleet and London.

A new logistics park would be built at Sheerness, in Kent.

As no homes are nearby, Thames Estuary Research claims flights could continue round-the-clock without causing disturbance.

The new hub airport would replace Heathrow, which could be redeveloped as housing for 300,000 people.

The consortium includes international architecture firm Gesler, which has already suggested a four-runway floating airport out to sea in the middle of the estuary. It has said the new plan is even better.

Managing director Ian Mulcahey said: “In many respects, this is the most ambitious of all the airport proposals, the least contentious, the easiest and the most cost-effective solution.

“Our professional team have spent many months identifying the optimum location for the new airport. Unlike the historic Maplin Sands site and the Isle of Grain, we have settled on a location that avoids the sensitive land adjacent to the estuary and instead will create a new island.”

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4:22pm Sun 10 Nov 13

firedog says...

Dream on, by the time it is built flying will be replaced by some other method of transport.
Dream on, by the time it is built flying will be replaced by some other method of transport. firedog
  • Score: 17

4:22pm Sun 10 Nov 13

firedog says...

Dream on, by the time it is built flying will be replaced by some other method of transport.
Dream on, by the time it is built flying will be replaced by some other method of transport. firedog
  • Score: -1

4:27pm Sun 10 Nov 13

Living the La Vida Legra says...

Good news! Building could start in five years
Good news! Building could start in five years Living the La Vida Legra
  • Score: -12

4:27pm Sun 10 Nov 13

JonTrevauney says...

And, one day, pigs will fly
And, one day, pigs will fly JonTrevauney
  • Score: 13

4:33pm Sun 10 Nov 13

Howard Cháse says...

firedog wrote:
Dream on, by the time it is built flying will be replaced by some other method of transport.
Horse and cart as petrol will be far too expensive
[quote][p][bold]firedog[/bold] wrote: Dream on, by the time it is built flying will be replaced by some other method of transport.[/p][/quote]Horse and cart as petrol will be far too expensive Howard Cháse
  • Score: 24

4:57pm Sun 10 Nov 13

middleflyer says...

Absolute non-starter!
Absolute non-starter! middleflyer
  • Score: 25

5:13pm Sun 10 Nov 13

John T Pharro says...

What an utter nonsense. Just who is paying for these rediculous plans? It has better not be the taxpayer. I suppose Barmy Boris, kindly remember you are Msyor ONLY of London, is somewhere involved in this. Future Prime Minister material. God help us if we ever get him.
What an utter nonsense. Just who is paying for these rediculous plans? It has better not be the taxpayer. I suppose Barmy Boris, kindly remember you are Msyor ONLY of London, is somewhere involved in this. Future Prime Minister material. God help us if we ever get him. John T Pharro
  • Score: 28

5:17pm Sun 10 Nov 13

hoppie says...

Whats its going to be Boris Island or Foster Airport
Whats its going to be Boris Island or Foster Airport hoppie
  • Score: 6

5:29pm Sun 10 Nov 13

BarryTanner says...

Lord Berkeley? Lord Berkeley-Hunt more likely........
Lord Berkeley? Lord Berkeley-Hunt more likely........ BarryTanner
  • Score: 7

5:44pm Sun 10 Nov 13

jolllyboy says...

It wont happen. But in the meantime maybe they should be advised that by that time Southend airport will control the sky and they will have to have permission to take off.................
.....from Stobarts
It wont happen. But in the meantime maybe they should be advised that by that time Southend airport will control the sky and they will have to have permission to take off................. .....from Stobarts jolllyboy
  • Score: 12

6:42pm Sun 10 Nov 13

ChampKind says...

I'm sure all the tens of thousands of people who work directly at Heathrow and for business's supplying Heathrow will be delighted.
Housing for 300,000 people that none of them will be able to buy cos they won't have jobs.
I'm sure all the tens of thousands of people who work directly at Heathrow and for business's supplying Heathrow will be delighted. Housing for 300,000 people that none of them will be able to buy cos they won't have jobs. ChampKind
  • Score: 13

8:14pm Sun 10 Nov 13

Mattster says...

Never going to happen, I only hope taxpayers money hasn't been wasted on this fantasy.
Never going to happen, I only hope taxpayers money hasn't been wasted on this fantasy. Mattster
  • Score: 12

8:57pm Sun 10 Nov 13

jayman says...

the thing about good ideas is that they persist.
the thing about good ideas is that they persist. jayman
  • Score: -6

9:23pm Sun 10 Nov 13

ary1042 says...

Many years ago on the channel tunnel rail link they built an international railway station in the middle of nowhere in Kent at Ebbsfleet, couldn't think why at the time seemed a waste of money.
What a surprise they now want to build an international airport next to it. So it won't surprise me in the least if the airport is built in one form or another in the not to distant future. I bet the plans are done and dusted already.
Many years ago on the channel tunnel rail link they built an international railway station in the middle of nowhere in Kent at Ebbsfleet, couldn't think why at the time seemed a waste of money. What a surprise they now want to build an international airport next to it. So it won't surprise me in the least if the airport is built in one form or another in the not to distant future. I bet the plans are done and dusted already. ary1042
  • Score: 8

9:47pm Sun 10 Nov 13

EastStBoy says...

This will never happen.

Third runway at Heathrow will though.
This will never happen. Third runway at Heathrow will though. EastStBoy
  • Score: 3

10:11pm Sun 10 Nov 13

abd123 says...

76,000 are employed directly at Heathrow, many highly skilled. How will they all move or travel to the estuary? Then there are the huge number with indirect employment. You need to sort that out before producing glossy plans of the runways.
76,000 are employed directly at Heathrow, many highly skilled. How will they all move or travel to the estuary? Then there are the huge number with indirect employment. You need to sort that out before producing glossy plans of the runways. abd123
  • Score: 4

12:37am Mon 11 Nov 13

Nebs says...

Splendid news. Lots of jobs. Just need to extend the A130 south across Canvey and the Thames to Kent.
Splendid news. Lots of jobs. Just need to extend the A130 south across Canvey and the Thames to Kent. Nebs
  • Score: -7

7:06am Mon 11 Nov 13

leighman says...

All seems a bit 'Thunderbirds' to me.......
All seems a bit 'Thunderbirds' to me....... leighman
  • Score: 6

10:29am Mon 11 Nov 13

whataday says...

Just need a couple of skippers of ships like the ones that went through the end of Southend Pier then the island airport will be completely scuppered
Just need a couple of skippers of ships like the ones that went through the end of Southend Pier then the island airport will be completely scuppered whataday
  • Score: 2

10:29am Mon 11 Nov 13

whataday says...

Just need a couple of skippers of ships like the ones that went through the end of Southend Pier then the island airport will be completely scuppered
Just need a couple of skippers of ships like the ones that went through the end of Southend Pier then the island airport will be completely scuppered whataday
  • Score: 3

11:01am Mon 11 Nov 13

Bernard Manning says...

Well if it does get built, then given it's in the Thames Estuary how about calling it "Darren and Tracey Island"?
Well if it does get built, then given it's in the Thames Estuary how about calling it "Darren and Tracey Island"? Bernard Manning
  • Score: 7

11:42am Mon 11 Nov 13

Nebs says...

whataday wrote:
Just need a couple of skippers of ships like the ones that went through the end of Southend Pier then the island airport will be completely scuppered
This airport is such a big scheme that I'd have thought it would be the pier that would be scuppered rather than the airport.
[quote][p][bold]whataday[/bold] wrote: Just need a couple of skippers of ships like the ones that went through the end of Southend Pier then the island airport will be completely scuppered[/p][/quote]This airport is such a big scheme that I'd have thought it would be the pier that would be scuppered rather than the airport. Nebs
  • Score: 3

12:44pm Mon 11 Nov 13

TheaWells says...

I thought Foulness / Maplin Sands was to be reincarnated ? After all there is a direct rail link already from London right to the end of Foulness.. several lines actually.
I thought Foulness / Maplin Sands was to be reincarnated ? After all there is a direct rail link already from London right to the end of Foulness.. several lines actually. TheaWells
  • Score: 1

12:50pm Mon 11 Nov 13

Ian P says...

JonTrevauney wrote:
And, one day, pigs will fly
Yeah you might be right but they will still need an airport to take-off and land.
[quote][p][bold]JonTrevauney[/bold] wrote: And, one day, pigs will fly[/p][/quote]Yeah you might be right but they will still need an airport to take-off and land. Ian P
  • Score: 2

12:55pm Mon 11 Nov 13

LadyOr says...

The high speed railway runs through Kent and under the sea to France, this was built almost 20 years ago and was an amazing achievement in UK and worldwide history. They said the Channel Tunnel was a vanity dream project that would fail after a couple of years drowning 100 hundreds of people and waste money. Man will not land on the moon they said. Who are 'They' these oddballs that babble to the sheep... They talk of Pigs flying, Horses and carts, and call on God to help when the topic is about airports.


Jobs at Heathrow are not really the issue. Heathrow is not an option and it has been rejected too many times due a flight path that could have devastating consequences performing an Emergency crash landing in a populated area near London, as well as noise and pollution. The cost to develop near Heathrow or around its congestion would spiral the costs and will end-up costing more than a new 6 runway airport.

Stansted or Gatwick are not options as they are too far away and have the same problems as Heathrow. The new airport can operate more flights and 24 hours a day.

So in one of these Thames estuary ideas lays the solutions for a new airport.
The high speed railway runs through Kent and under the sea to France, this was built almost 20 years ago and was an amazing achievement in UK and worldwide history. They said the Channel Tunnel was a vanity dream project that would fail after a couple of years drowning 100 hundreds of people and waste money. Man will not land on the moon they said. Who are 'They' these oddballs that babble to the sheep... They talk of Pigs flying, Horses and carts, and call on God to help when the topic is about airports. Jobs at Heathrow are not really the issue. Heathrow is not an option and it has been rejected too many times due a flight path that could have devastating consequences performing an Emergency crash landing in a populated area near London, as well as noise and pollution. The cost to develop near Heathrow or around its congestion would spiral the costs and will end-up costing more than a new 6 runway airport. Stansted or Gatwick are not options as they are too far away and have the same problems as Heathrow. The new airport can operate more flights and 24 hours a day. So in one of these Thames estuary ideas lays the solutions for a new airport. LadyOr
  • Score: -4

1:15pm Mon 11 Nov 13

LadyOr says...

ary1042 wrote:
Many years ago on the channel tunnel rail link they built an international railway station in the middle of nowhere in Kent at Ebbsfleet, couldn't think why at the time seemed a waste of money.
What a surprise they now want to build an international airport next to it. So it won't surprise me in the least if the airport is built in one form or another in the not to distant future. I bet the plans are done and dusted already.
I agreed, reading the news it seems likely they are already planned to located a terminal at Ebbsfleet. http://www.ebbsfleet
international.co.uk/
index.php?station=ne
ws

Risks associated to Heathrow will cause its closure. Other signs are also obvious as Heathrow is valuable residential and commercial land that would generate Billions in Taxes. The new land would be adding a great deal of value to London and already has underground links in place. Property prices across London would peak as the reduction of noise will make them far more attractive dwelling.
[quote][p][bold]ary1042[/bold] wrote: Many years ago on the channel tunnel rail link they built an international railway station in the middle of nowhere in Kent at Ebbsfleet, couldn't think why at the time seemed a waste of money. What a surprise they now want to build an international airport next to it. So it won't surprise me in the least if the airport is built in one form or another in the not to distant future. I bet the plans are done and dusted already.[/p][/quote]I agreed, reading the news it seems likely they are already planned to located a terminal at Ebbsfleet. http://www.ebbsfleet international.co.uk/ index.php?station=ne ws Risks associated to Heathrow will cause its closure. Other signs are also obvious as Heathrow is valuable residential and commercial land that would generate Billions in Taxes. The new land would be adding a great deal of value to London and already has underground links in place. Property prices across London would peak as the reduction of noise will make them far more attractive dwelling. LadyOr
  • Score: 2

2:36pm Mon 11 Nov 13

r12004 says...

This is never ever going to happen. I remember they were talking about this in the 1960's. London City is often closed due to fog, you can imagine the problems that this airport will have, with adverse weather at various time's of the year.
Why not develop Manston ? if they do not go ahead with another runway at LHR.
But what ever is proposed, it will no doubt be 20 years or so, before it's open, as it will have to go through, so many public enquiries etc,.
I expect HS2 will also be scrapped (as it should be) in my opinion
This is never ever going to happen. I remember they were talking about this in the 1960's. London City is often closed due to fog, you can imagine the problems that this airport will have, with adverse weather at various time's of the year. Why not develop Manston ? if they do not go ahead with another runway at LHR. But what ever is proposed, it will no doubt be 20 years or so, before it's open, as it will have to go through, so many public enquiries etc,. I expect HS2 will also be scrapped (as it should be) in my opinion r12004
  • Score: 3

4:22pm Mon 11 Nov 13

DB1064 says...

Anyone who thinks this will benefit the South East of Essex ought to go and look at the plans - the airports major transport links go south onto Sheppey and connect with HS2 and the M2. the train then goes via Ebsfleet to Canary Wharf and St. Pancras.We we not get anything out of this except for noise pollution.

This is built on the false premise that it will relocate jobs from Heathrow (when it closes) - American companies that setup along the Thames Valley did so to allow their staff from Europe to fly in and join with their staff from the US. These are going to leave and relocate the places like Hoofdorp near Amsterdam Airport. Bet Boris didn't think of that when he drew up this wheez to get West Londoners to vote for him

This has not has a proper impact assessment and as ever lots of consultants are getting paid from the public purse to fund BoJo's little fantasy.

If you want to see the plans go to testrad.co.uk website and look at indicative transport routes
Anyone who thinks this will benefit the South East of Essex ought to go and look at the plans - the airports major transport links go south onto Sheppey and connect with HS2 and the M2. the train then goes via Ebsfleet to Canary Wharf and St. Pancras.We we not get anything out of this except for noise pollution. This is built on the false premise that it will relocate jobs from Heathrow (when it closes) - American companies that setup along the Thames Valley did so to allow their staff from Europe to fly in and join with their staff from the US. These are going to leave and relocate the places like Hoofdorp near Amsterdam Airport. Bet Boris didn't think of that when he drew up this wheez to get West Londoners to vote for him This has not has a proper impact assessment and as ever lots of consultants are getting paid from the public purse to fund BoJo's little fantasy. If you want to see the plans go to testrad.co.uk website and look at indicative transport routes DB1064
  • Score: 10

11:08am Tue 12 Nov 13

Letmetryagain says...

Another runway at Heathrow and Stanstead is the only way to go.
BAA have already bought up a lot of the properties close to the airport.

Anyone who thinks Boris Island is a viable proposition, is living in a dream world.
Another runway at Heathrow and Stanstead is the only way to go. BAA have already bought up a lot of the properties close to the airport. Anyone who thinks Boris Island is a viable proposition, is living in a dream world. Letmetryagain
  • Score: 1

8:14pm Tue 12 Nov 13

echoforum says...

Theres nothing going for this plan.

COST
POSTION
INFRASTRCTURE
as already said fantasy or nightmare

Blimey HS2 after just 6 months has doubled in cost and they haven't started
Theres nothing going for this plan. COST POSTION INFRASTRCTURE as already said fantasy or nightmare Blimey HS2 after just 6 months has doubled in cost and they haven't started echoforum
  • Score: -2

10:15am Wed 13 Nov 13

MissMySay says...

firedog wrote:
Dream on, by the time it is built flying will be replaced by some other method of transport.
I guess you are inventing it then, bs propulsion.co.uk is still available.
[quote][p][bold]firedog[/bold] wrote: Dream on, by the time it is built flying will be replaced by some other method of transport.[/p][/quote]I guess you are inventing it then, bs propulsion.co.uk is still available. MissMySay
  • Score: 2

10:28am Wed 13 Nov 13

MissMySay says...

DB1064 wrote:
Anyone who thinks this will benefit the South East of Essex ought to go and look at the plans - the airports major transport links go south onto Sheppey and connect with HS2 and the M2. the train then goes via Ebsfleet to Canary Wharf and St. Pancras.We we not get anything out of this except for noise pollution.

This is built on the false premise that it will relocate jobs from Heathrow (when it closes) - American companies that setup along the Thames Valley did so to allow their staff from Europe to fly in and join with their staff from the US. These are going to leave and relocate the places like Hoofdorp near Amsterdam Airport. Bet Boris didn't think of that when he drew up this wheez to get West Londoners to vote for him

This has not has a proper impact assessment and as ever lots of consultants are getting paid from the public purse to fund BoJo's little fantasy.

If you want to see the plans go to testrad.co.uk website and look at indicative transport routes
The train does not go anywhere near Canary Wharf, it does however go to Stratford which has DLR and underground.

The station at Ebbsfleet has a map of the current rail system ( http://www.ebbsfleet
international.co.uk/
index.php?station=hi
gh-speed-rail ) which would be transformed into a terminal. St Pancras in London will also be a terminal for passengers which would be much easier.

Essex will have a new bridge built into Kent allowing easy access to the M2 to Dover and the channel tunnel rail services.
[quote][p][bold]DB1064[/bold] wrote: Anyone who thinks this will benefit the South East of Essex ought to go and look at the plans - the airports major transport links go south onto Sheppey and connect with HS2 and the M2. the train then goes via Ebsfleet to Canary Wharf and St. Pancras.We we not get anything out of this except for noise pollution. This is built on the false premise that it will relocate jobs from Heathrow (when it closes) - American companies that setup along the Thames Valley did so to allow their staff from Europe to fly in and join with their staff from the US. These are going to leave and relocate the places like Hoofdorp near Amsterdam Airport. Bet Boris didn't think of that when he drew up this wheez to get West Londoners to vote for him This has not has a proper impact assessment and as ever lots of consultants are getting paid from the public purse to fund BoJo's little fantasy. If you want to see the plans go to testrad.co.uk website and look at indicative transport routes[/p][/quote]The train does not go anywhere near Canary Wharf, it does however go to Stratford which has DLR and underground. The station at Ebbsfleet has a map of the current rail system ( http://www.ebbsfleet international.co.uk/ index.php?station=hi gh-speed-rail ) which would be transformed into a terminal. St Pancras in London will also be a terminal for passengers which would be much easier. Essex will have a new bridge built into Kent allowing easy access to the M2 to Dover and the channel tunnel rail services. MissMySay
  • Score: 2

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