Brooke House isn’t safe for kids...get us out now

Echo: Brooke House isn’t safe for kids...get us out now Brooke House isn’t safe for kids...get us out now

FAMILIES have urged Basildon Council to move them out of a notorious tower block after the authority deemed it unsafe for children.

A six-month review carried out by the Tory administration into problems at the Grade II listed Brooke House, in Basildon town centre, has found it was unsuitable for children and should not be marketed as family accommodation.

With the majority of the block’s tenants having young children, frustrated parents want to know what the council now plans to do with them.

Gemma Croft, who lives with her two children in the block, said: “Just this week there was a raid upstairs and my children have got to sit through this.

“Of course this place isn’t safe for children – the council should tell us something we don’t know.

“I’ve been trying to move for three years and have had no luck. The housing system should be based on priority, not how long you’ve been on the list for.

“I’m in a one-bed flat with my two children, but how is the council supposed to move out all the families from this block?”

The council launched the review at the request of residents and the findings will be presented to its overview and scrutiny committee, who will decide what to do next. As well as deeming the building unsuitable for children, the report also urged the authority to look into the possibility of converting twobedroom flats into one-bedroom homes so they are for adults only. The tower, which contains 84 flats, has been riddled with problems down the years, including drug dealing, parties spilling out onto corridors, rubbish strewn across public areas, and plenty of anti-social behaviour.

Mum Lesley Bailey, 47, who has an eight-year-old child, added: “The roof is leaking at the moment and water is running down the corridor to me on the 11th floor.

“I’ve had to put buckets out to catch the water, which is running freely by electrics. I’ve found needles here so it’s completely unsuitable for children.”

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4:15pm Wed 1 Jan 14

profondo asbo says...

if you throw yourself on the state you have to take what the state provides...
if you throw yourself on the state you have to take what the state provides... profondo asbo

4:36pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Nebs says...

Be careful what you wish for.
Gemma Croft, who lives with her two children in the block, said I’ve been trying to move for three years and have had no luck. The housing system should be based on priority, not how long you’ve been on the list for.
If it was all based on priority then there are loads of families with more than two children, or who look after elderly parents, so you'd probably never have got anywhere in the first place and still be living with mum and dad.
Be careful what you wish for. Gemma Croft, who lives with her two children in the block, said I’ve been trying to move for three years and have had no luck. The housing system should be based on priority, not how long you’ve been on the list for. If it was all based on priority then there are loads of families with more than two children, or who look after elderly parents, so you'd probably never have got anywhere in the first place and still be living with mum and dad. Nebs

4:37pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

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5:54pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Mikkel1 says...

Please do not feel offended, but we ALL choose whether to have children or not. Why not check places out for safety of children Before accepting a place, OR deciding to raise a family?
Please do not feel offended, but we ALL choose whether to have children or not. Why not check places out for safety of children Before accepting a place, OR deciding to raise a family? Mikkel1

6:29pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Kim Gandy says...

Regardless of who does or doesn't start a family or choose to live somewhere - or not. - the safety of children in a priority.

They do not choose their parents or where they are born and raised.
Regardless of who does or doesn't start a family or choose to live somewhere - or not. - the safety of children in a priority. They do not choose their parents or where they are born and raised. Kim Gandy

7:18pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Howard Cháse says...

Soon be plenty of new houses over at Craylands for them to move into.
Soon be plenty of new houses over at Craylands for them to move into. Howard Cháse

7:36pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Yermotherwouldn'tlikeme says...

Save up for a place, plan for a family move in have kids, these Basi's did it the wrong way round.
Save up for a place, plan for a family move in have kids, these Basi's did it the wrong way round. Yermotherwouldn'tlikeme

7:38pm Wed 1 Jan 14

girlie71 says...

so you have one toddler and another baby, surely before you had the second child the flats were dangerous, oh and why if you only have one bedroom do you then decide to have more children ?

I cant get on the council list so have to work to rent privately, couldnt afford more than one child so chose not to have anymore ... hardly rocket science
so you have one toddler and another baby, surely before you had the second child the flats were dangerous, oh and why if you only have one bedroom do you then decide to have more children ? I cant get on the council list so have to work to rent privately, couldnt afford more than one child so chose not to have anymore ... hardly rocket science girlie71

7:50pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Thorp55 says...

As social housing is generally for those in need or vulnerable by it's very name there will be problem tenants.Unfortunatel
y people with drug problems etc are in need thus get flats.The best way forward would be to get a private rental in a better area and you can still claim housing benefit.not ideal I know but as there are not enough council houses to go round all who need them! at least the children would have a better environment.
As social housing is generally for those in need or vulnerable by it's very name there will be problem tenants.Unfortunatel y people with drug problems etc are in need thus get flats.The best way forward would be to get a private rental in a better area and you can still claim housing benefit.not ideal I know but as there are not enough council houses to go round all who need them! at least the children would have a better environment. Thorp55

7:52pm Wed 1 Jan 14

sunnydd says...

Parents have a duty to ensure their children are safe in home environment & in community. I assume the inside of the flat is safe ?
Any emergency repair issues should be reported through appropriate channels as per tenancy agreement.
I had to watch my family when in areas where there were risks such as drug addicts using supermarket toilets & public toilets, traffic, badly behaved people, smokers, dog walkers.
Get real there are people far worse off than yourselves out there, you have the support of each other.
The council deemed appropriate to house you there..
If its not accommodation of choice make some life style choices (Work changes, possibly seek information about private renting through triangle
building).
Story taken to press hoping situation will be resolved but you my dears are tip of the iceberg, & there are people more in need out there.
Parents have a duty to ensure their children are safe in home environment & in community. I assume the inside of the flat is safe ? Any emergency repair issues should be reported through appropriate channels as per tenancy agreement. I had to watch my family when in areas where there were risks such as drug addicts using supermarket toilets & public toilets, traffic, badly behaved people, smokers, dog walkers. Get real there are people far worse off than yourselves out there, you have the support of each other. The council deemed appropriate to house you there.. If its not accommodation of choice make some life style choices (Work changes, possibly seek information about private renting through triangle building). Story taken to press hoping situation will be resolved but you my dears are tip of the iceberg, & there are people more in need out there. sunnydd

7:54pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Yermotherwouldn'tlikeme says...

Toddlers used to be strapped into chairs, for good reason....
Toddlers used to be strapped into chairs, for good reason.... Yermotherwouldn'tlikeme

8:04pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Yermotherwouldn'tlikeme says...

From the BBC, as all these will have to now be housed as well.....

Bulgarian and Romanian citizens are free to live and work in the UK after controls in place since 2007 expired.

Home Affairs Select Committee chairman Keith Vaz greeted the first flight from Romania as it landed at Luton airport on Wednesday morning.

Romanian Victor Spiersau was aboard and said: "I don't come to rob your country. I come to work and go home."

The UK has not released forecasts of migrant numbers, but campaigners say up to 50,000 people a year could come.
From the BBC, as all these will have to now be housed as well..... Bulgarian and Romanian citizens are free to live and work in the UK after controls in place since 2007 expired. Home Affairs Select Committee chairman Keith Vaz greeted the first flight from Romania as it landed at Luton airport on Wednesday morning. Romanian Victor Spiersau was aboard and said: "I don't come to rob your country. I come to work and go home." The UK has not released forecasts of migrant numbers, but campaigners say up to 50,000 people a year could come. Yermotherwouldn'tlikeme

9:03pm Wed 1 Jan 14

God of Shoplifting says...

Scroungers!
Scroungers! God of Shoplifting

10:33pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Jaimee91 says...

Gemma is my friend, her and Bradley are married, obviously have two beautiful children and BOTH work. They do not and never have SCROUNGED. They are stuck in a hellhole and all judgemental people like you lot can do is assume they are on benefits? As for 'they shouldn't have had a second baby' they have been promised a place time and time again! Instead of slagging off these hardworking parents maybe you should be slagging off the druggies they have to live alongside!
Gemma is my friend, her and Bradley are married, obviously have two beautiful children and BOTH work. They do not and never have SCROUNGED. They are stuck in a hellhole and all judgemental people like you lot can do is assume they are on benefits? As for 'they shouldn't have had a second baby' they have been promised a place time and time again! Instead of slagging off these hardworking parents maybe you should be slagging off the druggies they have to live alongside! Jaimee91

10:34pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Little-bob says...

For all your information this family work very hard to support there kids and are loving respectable parents. They claim no benefits yet are stuck in that place as council told them it was temporary . It's no ones business why they don't private rent. The echo went to them to ask there opinions in Brooke house they didn't go to the echo to complain
For all your information this family work very hard to support there kids and are loving respectable parents. They claim no benefits yet are stuck in that place as council told them it was temporary . It's no ones business why they don't private rent. The echo went to them to ask there opinions in Brooke house they didn't go to the echo to complain Little-bob

10:48pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Little-bob says...

Maybe you should stop having a go at a hard working family and have ago at the council for keeping the building in the state it's in and the druggies and troublemakers in the same building as kids. They should move the families or the trouble ones. You'd soon all complain there's benefit scrounging druggies living next door to all you being judgemental dicks
Maybe you should stop having a go at a hard working family and have ago at the council for keeping the building in the state it's in and the druggies and troublemakers in the same building as kids. They should move the families or the trouble ones. You'd soon all complain there's benefit scrounging druggies living next door to all you being judgemental dicks Little-bob

11:29pm Wed 1 Jan 14

kkahsilton29 says...

i no gemma and brad personally maybe if everyone stopped judging and asked y whey are in such a situation both of them work and have the majority of the time they have lived there and both have been very fortunate yes to have a place but why should they have to hide their kids away or stop them fearing stuff like this yes they have two kids and in a one bed flat but the council have blocked their move more than once im actually swapping into brooke house to get a very kind gentlemen out of there as his had enough I keep being reassured il be safe but even myself worry wat im walking into they do need to do more for brooke house even with security there it is still not brilliant no one should have to go through what gemma brad and their kids have to go through on a daily basis would u be happy to suffer like that maybe before u state she should not have kids then ask yourself weather u would stay quiet and keep ur family in family in danger or not or would u speak up gemma had a genuine reason for moving out from home and to be given a place in brooke house she wasn't offered to turn it down and was told like meny if she did turn it down they do not have to help her again even tho her and brad work full time and do not accept benefits they cant save up enough to go private rent for what they need .think before u speak might be nice
i no gemma and brad personally maybe if everyone stopped judging and asked y whey are in such a situation both of them work and have the majority of the time they have lived there and both have been very fortunate yes to have a place but why should they have to hide their kids away or stop them fearing stuff like this yes they have two kids and in a one bed flat but the council have blocked their move more than once im actually swapping into brooke house to get a very kind gentlemen out of there as his had enough I keep being reassured il be safe but even myself worry wat im walking into they do need to do more for brooke house even with security there it is still not brilliant no one should have to go through what gemma brad and their kids have to go through on a daily basis would u be happy to suffer like that maybe before u state she should not have kids then ask yourself weather u would stay quiet and keep ur family in family in danger or not or would u speak up gemma had a genuine reason for moving out from home and to be given a place in brooke house she wasn't offered to turn it down and was told like meny if she did turn it down they do not have to help her again even tho her and brad work full time and do not accept benefits they cant save up enough to go private rent for what they need .think before u speak might be nice kkahsilton29

11:35pm Wed 1 Jan 14

girlie71 says...

so once again ... if it was that bad why have another child ... move somewhere safer first !
so once again ... if it was that bad why have another child ... move somewhere safer first ! girlie71

11:42pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Yermotherwouldn'tlikeme says...

kkahsilton29 wrote:
i no gemma and brad personally maybe if everyone stopped judging and asked y whey are in such a situation both of them work and have the majority of the time they have lived there and both have been very fortunate yes to have a place but why should they have to hide their kids away or stop them fearing stuff like this yes they have two kids and in a one bed flat but the council have blocked their move more than once im actually swapping into brooke house to get a very kind gentlemen out of there as his had enough I keep being reassured il be safe but even myself worry wat im walking into they do need to do more for brooke house even with security there it is still not brilliant no one should have to go through what gemma brad and their kids have to go through on a daily basis would u be happy to suffer like that maybe before u state she should not have kids then ask yourself weather u would stay quiet and keep ur family in family in danger or not or would u speak up gemma had a genuine reason for moving out from home and to be given a place in brooke house she wasn't offered to turn it down and was told like meny if she did turn it down they do not have to help her again even tho her and brad work full time and do not accept benefits they cant save up enough to go private rent for what they need .think before u speak might be nice
Thanks for the lesson in grammar, now back to this pathetic story, Oh I've forgotten what to write...
[quote][p][bold]kkahsilton29[/bold] wrote: i no gemma and brad personally maybe if everyone stopped judging and asked y whey are in such a situation both of them work and have the majority of the time they have lived there and both have been very fortunate yes to have a place but why should they have to hide their kids away or stop them fearing stuff like this yes they have two kids and in a one bed flat but the council have blocked their move more than once im actually swapping into brooke house to get a very kind gentlemen out of there as his had enough I keep being reassured il be safe but even myself worry wat im walking into they do need to do more for brooke house even with security there it is still not brilliant no one should have to go through what gemma brad and their kids have to go through on a daily basis would u be happy to suffer like that maybe before u state she should not have kids then ask yourself weather u would stay quiet and keep ur family in family in danger or not or would u speak up gemma had a genuine reason for moving out from home and to be given a place in brooke house she wasn't offered to turn it down and was told like meny if she did turn it down they do not have to help her again even tho her and brad work full time and do not accept benefits they cant save up enough to go private rent for what they need .think before u speak might be nice[/p][/quote]Thanks for the lesson in grammar, now back to this pathetic story, Oh I've forgotten what to write... Yermotherwouldn'tlikeme

12:01am Thu 2 Jan 14

OMPITA [Intl] says...

Jaimee91 says that instead of slagging off these hardworking parents maybe we should be slagging off the druggies they have to live alongside.

I disagree!

Yes, Gemma and Bradley were somewhat rash in procreating before they were fully prepared to adequately support their children - and yes, it is perhaps a shame that they did not heed the relevant advice on the matter that must have been evident at the time. However, they appear to be doing their best under difficult circumstances (both working and not claiming benefits?) so surely they deserve some credit for that.

Compare them if you will to the so called ‘druggies’ who no doubt were equally exposed to all sorts of publicity about the dangers of taking substances, but chose through selfish arrogance to **** a snoot and ignore all such advice. I wonder how many of them are working and not looking to the rest of us to support them in every conceivable way possible? Not many I would venture to suggest.

It’s not slagging off that the druggies require, it’s dragging off. They should be dragged off and thrown into a pit well away from decent human beings until such time that they are fit (if ever) to resume their place in society.

Who knows, if the scum and rubbish were cleared out of Brook House that could just tip the scales in favour of families like the Croft’s who might regain the heart to make a go of it without asking to be moved on after all.
Jaimee91 says that instead of slagging off these hardworking parents maybe we should be slagging off the druggies they have to live alongside. I disagree! Yes, Gemma and Bradley were somewhat rash in procreating before they were fully prepared to adequately support their children - and yes, it is perhaps a shame that they did not heed the relevant advice on the matter that must have been evident at the time. However, they appear to be doing their best under difficult circumstances (both working and not claiming benefits?) so surely they deserve some credit for that. Compare them if you will to the so called ‘druggies’ who no doubt were equally exposed to all sorts of publicity about the dangers of taking substances, but chose through selfish arrogance to **** a snoot and ignore all such advice. I wonder how many of them are working and not looking to the rest of us to support them in every conceivable way possible? Not many I would venture to suggest. It’s not slagging off that the druggies require, it’s dragging off. They should be dragged off and thrown into a pit well away from decent human beings until such time that they are fit (if ever) to resume their place in society. Who knows, if the scum and rubbish were cleared out of Brook House that could just tip the scales in favour of families like the Croft’s who might regain the heart to make a go of it without asking to be moved on after all. OMPITA [Intl]

12:02am Thu 2 Jan 14

beejiu says...

It seems making this 'adult only' accommodation would only make the situation worse, since it would increase the density of drug dealing, anti-social behaviour, etc. The best way forwards is to disperse the wrong-doers to other parts of the town, so there's not a huge concentration of them in one place. The only way it will become family-friendly is by moving families in, and moving the druggies out.
It seems making this 'adult only' accommodation would only make the situation worse, since it would increase the density of drug dealing, anti-social behaviour, etc. The best way forwards is to disperse the wrong-doers to other parts of the town, so there's not a huge concentration of them in one place. The only way it will become family-friendly is by moving families in, and moving the druggies out. beejiu

12:19am Thu 2 Jan 14

ColonelSpiffSpaff says...

profondo asbo wrote:
if you throw yourself on the state you have to take what the state provides...
They didnt, they pay rent to live there
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: if you throw yourself on the state you have to take what the state provides...[/p][/quote]They didnt, they pay rent to live there ColonelSpiffSpaff

12:19am Thu 2 Jan 14

kkahsilton29 says...

better to have no grammer than to b a judgemental **** im glad I walk through life without blinkers just for the pure factor I can see both sides and would prefer to ask questions than to be stuck up my own arse that far that I cant see past my own closed midedness thanks il stand by gemma and brad no matter wat so they had kids do u plan ur life where u live no why should they so maybe instead of being a jumped up little typing worrior you actually live in areas like that maybe then you wouldn't be such a small minded person
better to have no grammer than to b a judgemental **** im glad I walk through life without blinkers just for the pure factor I can see both sides and would prefer to ask questions than to be stuck up my own arse that far that I cant see past my own closed midedness thanks il stand by gemma and brad no matter wat so they had kids do u plan ur life where u live no why should they so maybe instead of being a jumped up little typing worrior you actually live in areas like that maybe then you wouldn't be such a small minded person kkahsilton29

12:35am Thu 2 Jan 14

charleyjade says...

How can anyone possibly judge, people go through life with struggles and some people get the world handed to them on a plate. As long as you work hard, love your family and try your best to provide for them, what are you possibly doing wrong. Since when did there become a war about people who believe their lives are perfect and people who lives ain't perfect but trying to make it better, and who is anyone to judge that no matter how anyone does it! Before people judge about these two lovely people, concentrate on insulting people in articles about rapists and murderer's before you insult people who are trying to make a difference and doing things the right way!
How can anyone possibly judge, people go through life with struggles and some people get the world handed to them on a plate. As long as you work hard, love your family and try your best to provide for them, what are you possibly doing wrong. Since when did there become a war about people who believe their lives are perfect and people who lives ain't perfect but trying to make it better, and who is anyone to judge that no matter how anyone does it! Before people judge about these two lovely people, concentrate on insulting people in articles about rapists and murderer's before you insult people who are trying to make a difference and doing things the right way! charleyjade

1:44am Thu 2 Jan 14

b.harris says...

I think everyone should stop judging and focus on the fact that these people are not claiming benefits and are paying their way with rent and taxes. Maybe we should be judging the government and the economical climate in which they have led us into.

Many people here are saying they should save up and buy their own place but how could they do that when the average age of someone entering the property ladder is 34!
Yes they could also privately rent but as we also know, unemployment is at its highest rate, once again thanks to the government.
With two children I think it would be silly of them to privately rent with the fact that either one of these two could loose their job, leaving them with no home.

They pay their way in society as the majority of us do.
Rather than judging these two individuals, who are simply asking for help, you should focus on the other people living in this place that are claiming benefits, doing drugs, drinking all day long! These are the people who are ruining our society and making it unhealthy for people to live in certain places like this one!
I think everyone should stop judging and focus on the fact that these people are not claiming benefits and are paying their way with rent and taxes. Maybe we should be judging the government and the economical climate in which they have led us into. Many people here are saying they should save up and buy their own place but how could they do that when the average age of someone entering the property ladder is 34! Yes they could also privately rent but as we also know, unemployment is at its highest rate, once again thanks to the government. With two children I think it would be silly of them to privately rent with the fact that either one of these two could loose their job, leaving them with no home. They pay their way in society as the majority of us do. Rather than judging these two individuals, who are simply asking for help, you should focus on the other people living in this place that are claiming benefits, doing drugs, drinking all day long! These are the people who are ruining our society and making it unhealthy for people to live in certain places like this one! b.harris

2:13am Thu 2 Jan 14

Nebs says...

Little-bob wrote:
For all your information this family work very hard to support there kids and are loving respectable parents. They claim no benefits yet are stuck in that place as council told them it was temporary . It's no ones business why they don't private rent. The echo went to them to ask there opinions in Brooke house they didn't go to the echo to complain
If they can afford to pay their way, why don't they rent (or buy) somewhere else. They made it everyones business by going to the papers.

You seem to know them and you say they are not claiming any benefits. If they are not claiming any benefits then let them know that they may be entitled to child benefit so they should claim it if it is due. It might make the difference to enable them to move. They may also be entitled to child and working tax credits.
If they are not entitled to any of these benefits then they are earning enough to rent or buy privately.
[quote][p][bold]Little-bob[/bold] wrote: For all your information this family work very hard to support there kids and are loving respectable parents. They claim no benefits yet are stuck in that place as council told them it was temporary . It's no ones business why they don't private rent. The echo went to them to ask there opinions in Brooke house they didn't go to the echo to complain[/p][/quote]If they can afford to pay their way, why don't they rent (or buy) somewhere else. They made it everyones business by going to the papers. You seem to know them and you say they are not claiming any benefits. If they are not claiming any benefits then let them know that they may be entitled to child benefit so they should claim it if it is due. It might make the difference to enable them to move. They may also be entitled to child and working tax credits. If they are not entitled to any of these benefits then they are earning enough to rent or buy privately. Nebs

8:24am Thu 2 Jan 14

profondo asbo says...

ColonelSpiffSpaff wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
if you throw yourself on the state you have to take what the state provides...
They didnt, they pay rent to live there
it's a council rent so it is subsidised by the state
[quote][p][bold]ColonelSpiffSpaff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: if you throw yourself on the state you have to take what the state provides...[/p][/quote]They didnt, they pay rent to live there[/p][/quote]it's a council rent so it is subsidised by the state profondo asbo

8:30am Thu 2 Jan 14

ColonelSpiffSpaff says...

Only if they are unemployed, if even 1 of them works they dont get a single penny off
Only if they are unemployed, if even 1 of them works they dont get a single penny off ColonelSpiffSpaff

8:39am Thu 2 Jan 14

profondo asbo says...

ColonelSpiffSpaff wrote:
Only if they are unemployed, if even 1 of them works they dont get a single penny off
so if they are paying a market rent they move or are they not paying a market rent?
[quote][p][bold]ColonelSpiffSpaff[/bold] wrote: Only if they are unemployed, if even 1 of them works they dont get a single penny off[/p][/quote]so if they are paying a market rent they move or are they not paying a market rent? profondo asbo

9:47am Thu 2 Jan 14

caroljb says...

kkahsilton29 wrote:
i no gemma and brad personally maybe if everyone stopped judging and asked y whey are in such a situation both of them work and have the majority of the time they have lived there and both have been very fortunate yes to have a place but why should they have to hide their kids away or stop them fearing stuff like this yes they have two kids and in a one bed flat but the council have blocked their move more than once im actually swapping into brooke house to get a very kind gentlemen out of there as his had enough I keep being reassured il be safe but even myself worry wat im walking into they do need to do more for brooke house even with security there it is still not brilliant no one should have to go through what gemma brad and their kids have to go through on a daily basis would u be happy to suffer like that maybe before u state she should not have kids then ask yourself weather u would stay quiet and keep ur family in family in danger or not or would u speak up gemma had a genuine reason for moving out from home and to be given a place in brooke house she wasn't offered to turn it down and was told like meny if she did turn it down they do not have to help her again even tho her and brad work full time and do not accept benefits they cant save up enough to go private rent for what they need .think before u speak might be nice
does your keyboard not have any punctuation? . , !

I hyperventilated trying to read this!
[quote][p][bold]kkahsilton29[/bold] wrote: i no gemma and brad personally maybe if everyone stopped judging and asked y whey are in such a situation both of them work and have the majority of the time they have lived there and both have been very fortunate yes to have a place but why should they have to hide their kids away or stop them fearing stuff like this yes they have two kids and in a one bed flat but the council have blocked their move more than once im actually swapping into brooke house to get a very kind gentlemen out of there as his had enough I keep being reassured il be safe but even myself worry wat im walking into they do need to do more for brooke house even with security there it is still not brilliant no one should have to go through what gemma brad and their kids have to go through on a daily basis would u be happy to suffer like that maybe before u state she should not have kids then ask yourself weather u would stay quiet and keep ur family in family in danger or not or would u speak up gemma had a genuine reason for moving out from home and to be given a place in brooke house she wasn't offered to turn it down and was told like meny if she did turn it down they do not have to help her again even tho her and brad work full time and do not accept benefits they cant save up enough to go private rent for what they need .think before u speak might be nice[/p][/quote]does your keyboard not have any punctuation? . , ! I hyperventilated trying to read this! caroljb

10:19am Thu 2 Jan 14

ColonelSpiffSpaff says...

profondo asbo wrote:
ColonelSpiffSpaff wrote:
Only if they are unemployed, if even 1 of them works they dont get a single penny off
so if they are paying a market rent they move or are they not paying a market rent?
They pay a normal rent, plus council tax & service charges, the only difference is that if you rent privately then your housing is at the mercy of a landlord who could decide not to renew your tenancy, can bump up rent, you have to go searching for a new place if you want to move etc. if you rent from the council, your housing will change as your need does, you are not tied-down for any minimum time. They were told they were being moved, then the council didnt move them and declared the place unfit for kids, thats what their problem is
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColonelSpiffSpaff[/bold] wrote: Only if they are unemployed, if even 1 of them works they dont get a single penny off[/p][/quote]so if they are paying a market rent they move or are they not paying a market rent?[/p][/quote]They pay a normal rent, plus council tax & service charges, the only difference is that if you rent privately then your housing is at the mercy of a landlord who could decide not to renew your tenancy, can bump up rent, you have to go searching for a new place if you want to move etc. if you rent from the council, your housing will change as your need does, you are not tied-down for any minimum time. They were told they were being moved, then the council didnt move them and declared the place unfit for kids, thats what their problem is ColonelSpiffSpaff

10:29am Thu 2 Jan 14

Nebs says...

ColonelSpiffSpaff wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
ColonelSpiffSpaff wrote:
Only if they are unemployed, if even 1 of them works they dont get a single penny off
so if they are paying a market rent they move or are they not paying a market rent?
They pay a normal rent, plus council tax & service charges, the only difference is that if you rent privately then your housing is at the mercy of a landlord who could decide not to renew your tenancy, can bump up rent, you have to go searching for a new place if you want to move etc. if you rent from the council, your housing will change as your need does, you are not tied-down for any minimum time. They were told they were being moved, then the council didnt move them and declared the place unfit for kids, thats what their problem is
The evidence in this case would seem to disprove your assumption that if you rent from the council then your housing will change as your need does. Their needs have changed with a second baby, and now they want to move. If they were renting privately then they could have found their own more suitable property and moved years ago.

Although you only ever read in the papers about bad landlords, there are very many good landlords who do maintenance and repairs as necessary, and all they want is a good tenant who will pay the rent and not wreck the place, Many landlords and tenants have a good working relationship that goes on for years and years, but they never make the papers.
[quote][p][bold]ColonelSpiffSpaff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColonelSpiffSpaff[/bold] wrote: Only if they are unemployed, if even 1 of them works they dont get a single penny off[/p][/quote]so if they are paying a market rent they move or are they not paying a market rent?[/p][/quote]They pay a normal rent, plus council tax & service charges, the only difference is that if you rent privately then your housing is at the mercy of a landlord who could decide not to renew your tenancy, can bump up rent, you have to go searching for a new place if you want to move etc. if you rent from the council, your housing will change as your need does, you are not tied-down for any minimum time. They were told they were being moved, then the council didnt move them and declared the place unfit for kids, thats what their problem is[/p][/quote]The evidence in this case would seem to disprove your assumption that if you rent from the council then your housing will change as your need does. Their needs have changed with a second baby, and now they want to move. If they were renting privately then they could have found their own more suitable property and moved years ago. Although you only ever read in the papers about bad landlords, there are very many good landlords who do maintenance and repairs as necessary, and all they want is a good tenant who will pay the rent and not wreck the place, Many landlords and tenants have a good working relationship that goes on for years and years, but they never make the papers. Nebs

10:32am Thu 2 Jan 14

profondo asbo says...

ColonelSpiffSpaff wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
ColonelSpiffSpaff wrote:
Only if they are unemployed, if even 1 of them works they dont get a single penny off
so if they are paying a market rent they move or are they not paying a market rent?
They pay a normal rent, plus council tax & service charges, the only difference is that if you rent privately then your housing is at the mercy of a landlord who could decide not to renew your tenancy, can bump up rent, you have to go searching for a new place if you want to move etc. if you rent from the council, your housing will change as your need does, you are not tied-down for any minimum time. They were told they were being moved, then the council didnt move them and declared the place unfit for kids, thats what their problem is
sorry i don't buy it.

i do however believe the rule of law should be upheld. all drug dealers should be evicted and made to exit via the window....
[quote][p][bold]ColonelSpiffSpaff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColonelSpiffSpaff[/bold] wrote: Only if they are unemployed, if even 1 of them works they dont get a single penny off[/p][/quote]so if they are paying a market rent they move or are they not paying a market rent?[/p][/quote]They pay a normal rent, plus council tax & service charges, the only difference is that if you rent privately then your housing is at the mercy of a landlord who could decide not to renew your tenancy, can bump up rent, you have to go searching for a new place if you want to move etc. if you rent from the council, your housing will change as your need does, you are not tied-down for any minimum time. They were told they were being moved, then the council didnt move them and declared the place unfit for kids, thats what their problem is[/p][/quote]sorry i don't buy it. i do however believe the rule of law should be upheld. all drug dealers should be evicted and made to exit via the window.... profondo asbo

11:33am Thu 2 Jan 14

ColonelSpiffSpaff says...

Nebs wrote:
ColonelSpiffSpaff wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
ColonelSpiffSpaff wrote:
Only if they are unemployed, if even 1 of them works they dont get a single penny off
so if they are paying a market rent they move or are they not paying a market rent?
They pay a normal rent, plus council tax & service charges, the only difference is that if you rent privately then your housing is at the mercy of a landlord who could decide not to renew your tenancy, can bump up rent, you have to go searching for a new place if you want to move etc. if you rent from the council, your housing will change as your need does, you are not tied-down for any minimum time. They were told they were being moved, then the council didnt move them and declared the place unfit for kids, thats what their problem is
The evidence in this case would seem to disprove your assumption that if you rent from the council then your housing will change as your need does. Their needs have changed with a second baby, and now they want to move. If they were renting privately then they could have found their own more suitable property and moved years ago.

Although you only ever read in the papers about bad landlords, there are very many good landlords who do maintenance and repairs as necessary, and all they want is a good tenant who will pay the rent and not wreck the place, Many landlords and tenants have a good working relationship that goes on for years and years, but they never make the papers.
"The evidence in this case would
seem to disprove your
assumption that if you rent from
the council then your housing
will change as your need does." yes, that's why it's in the paper einstein!
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColonelSpiffSpaff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColonelSpiffSpaff[/bold] wrote: Only if they are unemployed, if even 1 of them works they dont get a single penny off[/p][/quote]so if they are paying a market rent they move or are they not paying a market rent?[/p][/quote]They pay a normal rent, plus council tax & service charges, the only difference is that if you rent privately then your housing is at the mercy of a landlord who could decide not to renew your tenancy, can bump up rent, you have to go searching for a new place if you want to move etc. if you rent from the council, your housing will change as your need does, you are not tied-down for any minimum time. They were told they were being moved, then the council didnt move them and declared the place unfit for kids, thats what their problem is[/p][/quote]The evidence in this case would seem to disprove your assumption that if you rent from the council then your housing will change as your need does. Their needs have changed with a second baby, and now they want to move. If they were renting privately then they could have found their own more suitable property and moved years ago. Although you only ever read in the papers about bad landlords, there are very many good landlords who do maintenance and repairs as necessary, and all they want is a good tenant who will pay the rent and not wreck the place, Many landlords and tenants have a good working relationship that goes on for years and years, but they never make the papers.[/p][/quote]"The evidence in this case would seem to disprove your assumption that if you rent from the council then your housing will change as your need does." yes, that's why it's in the paper einstein! ColonelSpiffSpaff

12:08pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Nebs says...

ColonelSpiffSpaff wrote:
Nebs wrote:
ColonelSpiffSpaff wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
ColonelSpiffSpaff wrote:
Only if they are unemployed, if even 1 of them works they dont get a single penny off
so if they are paying a market rent they move or are they not paying a market rent?
They pay a normal rent, plus council tax & service charges, the only difference is that if you rent privately then your housing is at the mercy of a landlord who could decide not to renew your tenancy, can bump up rent, you have to go searching for a new place if you want to move etc. if you rent from the council, your housing will change as your need does, you are not tied-down for any minimum time. They were told they were being moved, then the council didnt move them and declared the place unfit for kids, thats what their problem is
The evidence in this case would seem to disprove your assumption that if you rent from the council then your housing will change as your need does. Their needs have changed with a second baby, and now they want to move. If they were renting privately then they could have found their own more suitable property and moved years ago.

Although you only ever read in the papers about bad landlords, there are very many good landlords who do maintenance and repairs as necessary, and all they want is a good tenant who will pay the rent and not wreck the place, Many landlords and tenants have a good working relationship that goes on for years and years, but they never make the papers.
"The evidence in this case would
seem to disprove your
assumption that if you rent from
the council then your housing
will change as your need does." yes, that's why it's in the paper einstein!
I appreciate that it's in the paper because they need to move. But the previous poster had said: 'if you rent from the council, your housing will change as your need does'. I was pointing out that that was clearly not the case. I will give you benefit of the doubt and assume you missed reading that bit.
[quote][p][bold]ColonelSpiffSpaff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColonelSpiffSpaff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColonelSpiffSpaff[/bold] wrote: Only if they are unemployed, if even 1 of them works they dont get a single penny off[/p][/quote]so if they are paying a market rent they move or are they not paying a market rent?[/p][/quote]They pay a normal rent, plus council tax & service charges, the only difference is that if you rent privately then your housing is at the mercy of a landlord who could decide not to renew your tenancy, can bump up rent, you have to go searching for a new place if you want to move etc. if you rent from the council, your housing will change as your need does, you are not tied-down for any minimum time. They were told they were being moved, then the council didnt move them and declared the place unfit for kids, thats what their problem is[/p][/quote]The evidence in this case would seem to disprove your assumption that if you rent from the council then your housing will change as your need does. Their needs have changed with a second baby, and now they want to move. If they were renting privately then they could have found their own more suitable property and moved years ago. Although you only ever read in the papers about bad landlords, there are very many good landlords who do maintenance and repairs as necessary, and all they want is a good tenant who will pay the rent and not wreck the place, Many landlords and tenants have a good working relationship that goes on for years and years, but they never make the papers.[/p][/quote]"The evidence in this case would seem to disprove your assumption that if you rent from the council then your housing will change as your need does." yes, that's why it's in the paper einstein![/p][/quote]I appreciate that it's in the paper because they need to move. But the previous poster had said: 'if you rent from the council, your housing will change as your need does'. I was pointing out that that was clearly not the case. I will give you benefit of the doubt and assume you missed reading that bit. Nebs

12:33pm Thu 2 Jan 14

LoopyLou88 says...

sounds like any estate to me. every estate probably has needles and leeking flats.
sounds like any estate to me. every estate probably has needles and leeking flats. LoopyLou88

1:01pm Thu 2 Jan 14

supermadmax says...

If they both work and are not happy with the flat, they should rent private and stop blaming everyone else.
If they both work and are not happy with the flat, they should rent private and stop blaming everyone else. supermadmax

2:06pm Thu 2 Jan 14

whataday says...

Mikkel1 wrote:
Please do not feel offended, but we ALL choose whether to have children or not. Why not check places out for safety of children Before accepting a place, OR deciding to raise a family?
Problem is you can have already done these things and bought or rented a place in a seemingly safe area then private landlords or the council house **** tenants there and they cause all sorts of problems
It would be better if the culprits were evicted rather than the victims having to put up with their antisocial behaviour
[quote][p][bold]Mikkel1[/bold] wrote: Please do not feel offended, but we ALL choose whether to have children or not. Why not check places out for safety of children Before accepting a place, OR deciding to raise a family?[/p][/quote]Problem is you can have already done these things and bought or rented a place in a seemingly safe area then private landlords or the council house **** tenants there and they cause all sorts of problems It would be better if the culprits were evicted rather than the victims having to put up with their antisocial behaviour whataday

4:33pm Thu 2 Jan 14

runwellian says...

Mikkel1 wrote:
Please do not feel offended, but we ALL choose whether to have children or not. Why not check places out for safety of children Before accepting a place, OR deciding to raise a family?
Why don't these folk think about housing before the start having kids?

It does appear that we choose our lifestyle then expect the goevrnment to support it!
[quote][p][bold]Mikkel1[/bold] wrote: Please do not feel offended, but we ALL choose whether to have children or not. Why not check places out for safety of children Before accepting a place, OR deciding to raise a family?[/p][/quote]Why don't these folk think about housing before the start having kids? It does appear that we choose our lifestyle then expect the goevrnment to support it! runwellian

4:42pm Thu 2 Jan 14

runwellian says...

Jaimee91 wrote:
Gemma is my friend, her and Bradley are married, obviously have two beautiful children and BOTH work. They do not and never have SCROUNGED. They are stuck in a hellhole and all judgemental people like you lot can do is assume they are on benefits? As for 'they shouldn't have had a second baby' they have been promised a place time and time again! Instead of slagging off these hardworking parents maybe you should be slagging off the druggies they have to live alongside!
For all the hard work this couple do, how unwise it was to have a second child when they live in an 'unsafe' block of flats, unless they thought the second child would get them moved on!

This is not about benefits but the council allowing children to live in a property that is unfit for them. Anyone with children should have a home with a garden not a box in the sky!
children need to play, so stop worrying about the state of the building and think about the little ones and their lifestyle!

At the very least, the council should find them a home with a garden!
[quote][p][bold]Jaimee91[/bold] wrote: Gemma is my friend, her and Bradley are married, obviously have two beautiful children and BOTH work. They do not and never have SCROUNGED. They are stuck in a hellhole and all judgemental people like you lot can do is assume they are on benefits? As for 'they shouldn't have had a second baby' they have been promised a place time and time again! Instead of slagging off these hardworking parents maybe you should be slagging off the druggies they have to live alongside![/p][/quote]For all the hard work this couple do, how unwise it was to have a second child when they live in an 'unsafe' block of flats, unless they thought the second child would get them moved on! This is not about benefits but the council allowing children to live in a property that is unfit for them. Anyone with children should have a home with a garden not a box in the sky! children need to play, so stop worrying about the state of the building and think about the little ones and their lifestyle! At the very least, the council should find them a home with a garden! runwellian

5:43pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Living the La Vida Legra says...

Get rid of social housing End of problem
Get rid of social housing End of problem Living the La Vida Legra

6:49pm Thu 2 Jan 14

andy:) says...

Yermotherwouldn'tlik
eme
wrote:
From the BBC, as all these will have to now be housed as well.....

Bulgarian and Romanian citizens are free to live and work in the UK after controls in place since 2007 expired.

Home Affairs Select Committee chairman Keith Vaz greeted the first flight from Romania as it landed at Luton airport on Wednesday morning.

Romanian Victor Spiersau was aboard and said: "I don't come to rob your country. I come to work and go home."

The UK has not released forecasts of migrant numbers, but campaigners say up to 50,000 people a year could come.
And the relevance of this is ?
[quote][p][bold]Yermotherwouldn'tlik eme[/bold] wrote: From the BBC, as all these will have to now be housed as well..... Bulgarian and Romanian citizens are free to live and work in the UK after controls in place since 2007 expired. Home Affairs Select Committee chairman Keith Vaz greeted the first flight from Romania as it landed at Luton airport on Wednesday morning. Romanian Victor Spiersau was aboard and said: "I don't come to rob your country. I come to work and go home." The UK has not released forecasts of migrant numbers, but campaigners say up to 50,000 people a year could come.[/p][/quote]And the relevance of this is ? andy:)

7:15pm Thu 2 Jan 14

ss12chick says...

So theyve had a new baby AND been married over the past year, now they've done that they want the thing they should of done at first! Ive been on the council list for almost a year an a half an in that time ive saved up a deposit to privatly rent which costs me a fortune, you should be grateful where you are. There are thousands of people waiting for a council house, who aren't married but would love to be, and who would love to have children but put it on hold until the time is right.
So theyve had a new baby AND been married over the past year, now they've done that they want the thing they should of done at first! Ive been on the council list for almost a year an a half an in that time ive saved up a deposit to privatly rent which costs me a fortune, you should be grateful where you are. There are thousands of people waiting for a council house, who aren't married but would love to be, and who would love to have children but put it on hold until the time is right. ss12chick

7:59pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Basildon Lady says...

I know how they feel and so do tons of others in this borough. Private renting is a rip off as you need about 2k to move in the first place, the rent will leave you skint and one can only hope that your not left forking out more money and moving again in 6 months time.

The irony is that most private rentals here are ex-council and the owners paid peanuts for then. So dear even HB can't subsidise the rent.

Maybe we should all sign up to buy these aspirational homes the council keep building at 175k for a two bedroomed flat you can't swing a cat in we must work harder for this chance (sarcasm). Or maybe we could buy our own home on the open market. With the mortgage market in tatters I'm sure we'll be up to our eyeballs in debt in no time.

The 'I'm alright Jack' here that some comments connotate is not welcome in a society where things are so warped, a household needs to pull in at least 43k p.a to own or private rent.

Maybe all of us twenty something ladies should get sterilized, then in time we can all cry on our way to the post office to claim our non-exisitent pensions.
I know how they feel and so do tons of others in this borough. Private renting is a rip off as you need about 2k to move in the first place, the rent will leave you skint and one can only hope that your not left forking out more money and moving again in 6 months time. The irony is that most private rentals here are ex-council and the owners paid peanuts for then. So dear even HB can't subsidise the rent. Maybe we should all sign up to buy these aspirational homes the council keep building at 175k for a two bedroomed flat you can't swing a cat in we must work harder for this chance (sarcasm). Or maybe we could buy our own home on the open market. With the mortgage market in tatters I'm sure we'll be up to our eyeballs in debt in no time. The 'I'm alright Jack' here that some comments connotate is not welcome in a society where things are so warped, a household needs to pull in at least 43k p.a to own or private rent. Maybe all of us twenty something ladies should get sterilized, then in time we can all cry on our way to the post office to claim our non-exisitent pensions. Basildon Lady

9:33pm Thu 2 Jan 14

robb789 says...

Jaimee91 wrote:
Gemma is my friend, her and Bradley are married, obviously have two beautiful children and BOTH work. They do not and never have SCROUNGED. They are stuck in a hellhole and all judgemental people like you lot can do is assume they are on benefits? As for 'they shouldn't have had a second baby' they have been promised a place time and time again! Instead of slagging off these hardworking parents maybe you should be slagging off the druggies they have to live alongside!
I do have some sympathy but if your situation is already pretty desperate with one child then why would you amplify this further and have another one, unless of course it is to improve your score for social housing?
[quote][p][bold]Jaimee91[/bold] wrote: Gemma is my friend, her and Bradley are married, obviously have two beautiful children and BOTH work. They do not and never have SCROUNGED. They are stuck in a hellhole and all judgemental people like you lot can do is assume they are on benefits? As for 'they shouldn't have had a second baby' they have been promised a place time and time again! Instead of slagging off these hardworking parents maybe you should be slagging off the druggies they have to live alongside![/p][/quote]I do have some sympathy but if your situation is already pretty desperate with one child then why would you amplify this further and have another one, unless of course it is to improve your score for social housing? robb789

10:13pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Lewise says...

I love how everyone has the front to post comments on here they have no idea about.. Always quick enough to judge people telling them why they didn't do this and why they didn't do that. So easy typing something behind a computer screen. Let's worry about families like these and supporting them than getting on their backs
I love how everyone has the front to post comments on here they have no idea about.. Always quick enough to judge people telling them why they didn't do this and why they didn't do that. So easy typing something behind a computer screen. Let's worry about families like these and supporting them than getting on their backs Lewise

4:27am Fri 3 Jan 14

roxanne1993 says...

robb789 wrote:
Jaimee91 wrote:
Gemma is my friend, her and Bradley are married, obviously have two beautiful children and BOTH work. They do not and never have SCROUNGED. They are stuck in a hellhole and all judgemental people like you lot can do is assume they are on benefits? As for 'they shouldn't have had a second baby' they have been promised a place time and time again! Instead of slagging off these hardworking parents maybe you should be slagging off the druggies they have to live alongside!
I do have some sympathy but if your situation is already pretty desperate with one child then why would you amplify this further and have another one, unless of course it is to improve your score for social housing?
Maybe they wanted another baby so what because they are stuck in this **** pit they should not have another her life should not be because there in brook house get a grip as for the more points not everyones mind works like yours you might of come up with something like that but they more then likely just wanted another
[quote][p][bold]robb789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jaimee91[/bold] wrote: Gemma is my friend, her and Bradley are married, obviously have two beautiful children and BOTH work. They do not and never have SCROUNGED. They are stuck in a hellhole and all judgemental people like you lot can do is assume they are on benefits? As for 'they shouldn't have had a second baby' they have been promised a place time and time again! Instead of slagging off these hardworking parents maybe you should be slagging off the druggies they have to live alongside![/p][/quote]I do have some sympathy but if your situation is already pretty desperate with one child then why would you amplify this further and have another one, unless of course it is to improve your score for social housing?[/p][/quote]Maybe they wanted another baby so what because they are stuck in this **** pit they should not have another her life should not be because there in brook house get a grip as for the more points not everyones mind works like yours you might of come up with something like that but they more then likely just wanted another roxanne1993

3:18pm Fri 3 Jan 14

BlueEyes87 says...

Council housing is meant for the vulnerable members of society and as a last resort if you really cannot afford any other way of living. It is not meant to be for people who have children, then expect to be given a house. Of course they aren't going to be the nicest of places as like I said, they are for people who are vulnerable and might have problems. Nobody made these 2 have children, they CHOSE to. Just because they don't claim and work, it doesn't excuse them having children in their situation. They clearly had the 2nd child to get a bigger place and that is just irresponsible. A responsible adult would have waited until they had a place of their own and were financially responsible BEFORE having a child. This is the reason Britain has the highest rates of teenage pregnancy, because they want a lifetime of things given to them! Not that most people from Basildon are even going to understand this at all, as they seem to think getting pregnant and getting a council house is their right and aim in life. Oh and to the people asking why shouldn't they have a child? - No one has a right to have children, it's a privilege!
Council housing is meant for the vulnerable members of society and as a last resort if you really cannot afford any other way of living. It is not meant to be for people who have children, then expect to be given a house. Of course they aren't going to be the nicest of places as like I said, they are for people who are vulnerable and might have problems. Nobody made these 2 have children, they CHOSE to. Just because they don't claim and work, it doesn't excuse them having children in their situation. They clearly had the 2nd child to get a bigger place and that is just irresponsible. A responsible adult would have waited until they had a place of their own and were financially responsible BEFORE having a child. This is the reason Britain has the highest rates of teenage pregnancy, because they want a lifetime of things given to them! Not that most people from Basildon are even going to understand this at all, as they seem to think getting pregnant and getting a council house is their right and aim in life. Oh and to the people asking why shouldn't they have a child? - No one has a right to have children, it's a privilege! BlueEyes87

3:20pm Fri 3 Jan 14

RE.1993 says...

Basildon Lady wrote:
I know how they feel and so do tons of others in this borough. Private renting is a rip off as you need about 2k to move in the first place, the rent will leave you skint and one can only hope that your not left forking out more money and moving again in 6 months time. The irony is that most private rentals here are ex-council and the owners paid peanuts for then. So dear even HB can't subsidise the rent. Maybe we should all sign up to buy these aspirational homes the council keep building at 175k for a two bedroomed flat you can't swing a cat in we must work harder for this chance (sarcasm). Or maybe we could buy our own home on the open market. With the mortgage market in tatters I'm sure we'll be up to our eyeballs in debt in no time. The 'I'm alright Jack' here that some comments connotate is not welcome in a society where things are so warped, a household needs to pull in at least 43k p.a to own or private rent. Maybe all of us twenty something ladies should get sterilized, then in time we can all cry on our way to the post office to claim our non-exisitent pensions.
I wouldnt normally comment on something like this but unfortunately your comment on needing 43k pa to privately rent it ridiculous.

I just starting working after my studies and earn 17k pa before tax and still manage to rent privately in central London, eat, pay the bills, go out with my friends and put money aside into a savings account. I would never rely on the state to sort me out and dont have any other help with my income.

If I at 20 can do it, I'm sure others can too.
[quote][p][bold]Basildon Lady[/bold] wrote: I know how they feel and so do tons of others in this borough. Private renting is a rip off as you need about 2k to move in the first place, the rent will leave you skint and one can only hope that your not left forking out more money and moving again in 6 months time. The irony is that most private rentals here are ex-council and the owners paid peanuts for then. So dear even HB can't subsidise the rent. Maybe we should all sign up to buy these aspirational homes the council keep building at 175k for a two bedroomed flat you can't swing a cat in we must work harder for this chance (sarcasm). Or maybe we could buy our own home on the open market. With the mortgage market in tatters I'm sure we'll be up to our eyeballs in debt in no time. The 'I'm alright Jack' here that some comments connotate is not welcome in a society where things are so warped, a household needs to pull in at least 43k p.a to own or private rent. Maybe all of us twenty something ladies should get sterilized, then in time we can all cry on our way to the post office to claim our non-exisitent pensions.[/p][/quote]I wouldnt normally comment on something like this but unfortunately your comment on needing 43k pa to privately rent it ridiculous. I just starting working after my studies and earn 17k pa before tax and still manage to rent privately in central London, eat, pay the bills, go out with my friends and put money aside into a savings account. I would never rely on the state to sort me out and dont have any other help with my income. If I at 20 can do it, I'm sure others can too. RE.1993

3:35pm Fri 3 Jan 14

horselover1985 says...

roxanne1993 wrote:
robb789 wrote:
Jaimee91 wrote:
Gemma is my friend, her and Bradley are married, obviously have two beautiful children and BOTH work. They do not and never have SCROUNGED. They are stuck in a hellhole and all judgemental people like you lot can do is assume they are on benefits? As for 'they shouldn't have had a second baby' they have been promised a place time and time again! Instead of slagging off these hardworking parents maybe you should be slagging off the druggies they have to live alongside!
I do have some sympathy but if your situation is already pretty desperate with one child then why would you amplify this further and have another one, unless of course it is to improve your score for social housing?
Maybe they wanted another baby so what because they are stuck in this **** pit they should not have another her life should not be because there in brook house get a grip as for the more points not everyones mind works like yours you might of come up with something like that but they more then likely just wanted another
If they had saved up prior to having children they wouldn't be in this situation. They should be grateful they got a council flat in first place, the only reason they got it was because they had a child! Its obvious the second child was planned in order to make them priority to get a house and it has back fired! They should learn their lesson and try privately renting or save up for a deposit on a house if they are unhappy. How about Before having children and getting married make sure you are financially stable? I've worked hard and got my first mortgage and will save for years before I have children! Stop complaining and do something about it! And to all of you defending them they put themselves in this situation and chose to have 2 children in a one bedroom flat. Stop relying on the council!
[quote][p][bold]roxanne1993[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robb789[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jaimee91[/bold] wrote: Gemma is my friend, her and Bradley are married, obviously have two beautiful children and BOTH work. They do not and never have SCROUNGED. They are stuck in a hellhole and all judgemental people like you lot can do is assume they are on benefits? As for 'they shouldn't have had a second baby' they have been promised a place time and time again! Instead of slagging off these hardworking parents maybe you should be slagging off the druggies they have to live alongside![/p][/quote]I do have some sympathy but if your situation is already pretty desperate with one child then why would you amplify this further and have another one, unless of course it is to improve your score for social housing?[/p][/quote]Maybe they wanted another baby so what because they are stuck in this **** pit they should not have another her life should not be because there in brook house get a grip as for the more points not everyones mind works like yours you might of come up with something like that but they more then likely just wanted another[/p][/quote]If they had saved up prior to having children they wouldn't be in this situation. They should be grateful they got a council flat in first place, the only reason they got it was because they had a child! Its obvious the second child was planned in order to make them priority to get a house and it has back fired! They should learn their lesson and try privately renting or save up for a deposit on a house if they are unhappy. How about Before having children and getting married make sure you are financially stable? I've worked hard and got my first mortgage and will save for years before I have children! Stop complaining and do something about it! And to all of you defending them they put themselves in this situation and chose to have 2 children in a one bedroom flat. Stop relying on the council! horselover1985

7:43pm Fri 3 Jan 14

K2987** says...

Reading everyone's comments and amazed at how people are so happy to judge! Council and social housing was created for low income families that weren't from rich backgrounds that can afford deposits for mortgages or to privately rent even.

Don't get me wrong there are people that live an work and save their hardest so that they can buy there own properties but I am sure that people will agree that doing so is very difficult and comes with sacrifices. Some are lucky to have family to put them up while they do so and some have rich parents that just hand them the money! These people clearly both work and unfortunately we live in a society where people that Go an earn an honest living especially couples don't get any additional help! For instance free child care costs, free rent, council tax exemptions, free broadband, heating payments and christmas bonuses from the job centre!! I work and have done since I left school! I live in social housing and feel that I have every right to as I am a british citizen who works hard for a living but don't quite earn enough to buy! I pay my way and always have done! And too right these people want to move.. No one knows what situation they were in when they took the place that they have now?! People have read the article and felt the need to assume that theses people don't work and just pop out kids for the fun of it. They have every right to have a family... They aren't saying that they can't support them financially... They are saying that the building has been deemed unsafe for children and they want to know what the council are going to do about it. The council are quick to house people that have come here from other countries or people that pretend to have illnesses so why shouldn't these people have a right to live somewhere that is more suitable!! All you people commenting and judging thinking your so clever have completely miss read the story and judged... You should be ashamed!
Reading everyone's comments and amazed at how people are so happy to judge! Council and social housing was created for low income families that weren't from rich backgrounds that can afford deposits for mortgages or to privately rent even. Don't get me wrong there are people that live an work and save their hardest so that they can buy there own properties but I am sure that people will agree that doing so is very difficult and comes with sacrifices. Some are lucky to have family to put them up while they do so and some have rich parents that just hand them the money! These people clearly both work and unfortunately we live in a society where people that Go an earn an honest living especially couples don't get any additional help! For instance free child care costs, free rent, council tax exemptions, free broadband, heating payments and christmas bonuses from the job centre!! I work and have done since I left school! I live in social housing and feel that I have every right to as I am a british citizen who works hard for a living but don't quite earn enough to buy! I pay my way and always have done! And too right these people want to move.. No one knows what situation they were in when they took the place that they have now?! People have read the article and felt the need to assume that theses people don't work and just pop out kids for the fun of it. They have every right to have a family... They aren't saying that they can't support them financially... They are saying that the building has been deemed unsafe for children and they want to know what the council are going to do about it. The council are quick to house people that have come here from other countries or people that pretend to have illnesses so why shouldn't these people have a right to live somewhere that is more suitable!! All you people commenting and judging thinking your so clever have completely miss read the story and judged... You should be ashamed! K2987**

9:24pm Fri 3 Jan 14

yagetme says...

K2987** wrote:
Reading everyone's comments and amazed at how people are so happy to judge! Council and social housing was created for low income families that weren't from rich backgrounds that can afford deposits for mortgages or to privately rent even.

Don't get me wrong there are people that live an work and save their hardest so that they can buy there own properties but I am sure that people will agree that doing so is very difficult and comes with sacrifices. Some are lucky to have family to put them up while they do so and some have rich parents that just hand them the money! These people clearly both work and unfortunately we live in a society where people that Go an earn an honest living especially couples don't get any additional help! For instance free child care costs, free rent, council tax exemptions, free broadband, heating payments and christmas bonuses from the job centre!! I work and have done since I left school! I live in social housing and feel that I have every right to as I am a british citizen who works hard for a living but don't quite earn enough to buy! I pay my way and always have done! And too right these people want to move.. No one knows what situation they were in when they took the place that they have now?! People have read the article and felt the need to assume that theses people don't work and just pop out kids for the fun of it. They have every right to have a family... They aren't saying that they can't support them financially... They are saying that the building has been deemed unsafe for children and they want to know what the council are going to do about it. The council are quick to house people that have come here from other countries or people that pretend to have illnesses so why shouldn't these people have a right to live somewhere that is more suitable!! All you people commenting and judging thinking your so clever have completely miss read the story and judged... You should be ashamed!
Well done for displaying the exact kind of bigotry you are complaining about.
[quote][p][bold]K2987**[/bold] wrote: Reading everyone's comments and amazed at how people are so happy to judge! Council and social housing was created for low income families that weren't from rich backgrounds that can afford deposits for mortgages or to privately rent even. Don't get me wrong there are people that live an work and save their hardest so that they can buy there own properties but I am sure that people will agree that doing so is very difficult and comes with sacrifices. Some are lucky to have family to put them up while they do so and some have rich parents that just hand them the money! These people clearly both work and unfortunately we live in a society where people that Go an earn an honest living especially couples don't get any additional help! For instance free child care costs, free rent, council tax exemptions, free broadband, heating payments and christmas bonuses from the job centre!! I work and have done since I left school! I live in social housing and feel that I have every right to as I am a british citizen who works hard for a living but don't quite earn enough to buy! I pay my way and always have done! And too right these people want to move.. No one knows what situation they were in when they took the place that they have now?! People have read the article and felt the need to assume that theses people don't work and just pop out kids for the fun of it. They have every right to have a family... They aren't saying that they can't support them financially... They are saying that the building has been deemed unsafe for children and they want to know what the council are going to do about it. The council are quick to house people that have come here from other countries or people that pretend to have illnesses so why shouldn't these people have a right to live somewhere that is more suitable!! All you people commenting and judging thinking your so clever have completely miss read the story and judged... You should be ashamed![/p][/quote]Well done for displaying the exact kind of bigotry you are complaining about. yagetme

10:50pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Warriorisback says...

It is only unsafe for children with crappy parents like in the picture, the only danger these children have is being thrown out of a window by brutal, drunk chav parents. Apart from that, a tower block is fine for children, watch them, and protect them.
It is only unsafe for children with crappy parents like in the picture, the only danger these children have is being thrown out of a window by brutal, drunk chav parents. Apart from that, a tower block is fine for children, watch them, and protect them. Warriorisback

10:26am Sat 4 Jan 14

Letmetryagain says...

Parents are responsible for their children. Nobody else.
Parents are responsible for their children. Nobody else. Letmetryagain

12:54pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Hannah Foster says...

Jaimee91 wrote:
Gemma is my friend, her and Bradley are married, obviously have two beautiful children and BOTH work. They do not and never have SCROUNGED. They are stuck in a hellhole and all judgemental people like you lot can do is assume they are on benefits? As for 'they shouldn't have had a second baby' they have been promised a place time and time again! Instead of slagging off these hardworking parents maybe you should be slagging off the druggies they have to live alongside!
That is the trouble with people, they are far too quick to jump to conclusions. I know working parents who are living in a one bedroom flat with three young children. It shouldn't be so difficult to sort out our priorities and sort out the inadequate housing for poor families. If, as some people suggest no one has children unless they can afford it at the time there will be no one within a generation or two to work and pay taxes and support the elderly population. People expect to be able to start a family and move up the housing ladder with time, there is no chance of that with today's prices. Kids these days are likely to grow up feeling that they have a very raw deal compared to their grandparents and who could blame them.
[quote][p][bold]Jaimee91[/bold] wrote: Gemma is my friend, her and Bradley are married, obviously have two beautiful children and BOTH work. They do not and never have SCROUNGED. They are stuck in a hellhole and all judgemental people like you lot can do is assume they are on benefits? As for 'they shouldn't have had a second baby' they have been promised a place time and time again! Instead of slagging off these hardworking parents maybe you should be slagging off the druggies they have to live alongside![/p][/quote]That is the trouble with people, they are far too quick to jump to conclusions. I know working parents who are living in a one bedroom flat with three young children. It shouldn't be so difficult to sort out our priorities and sort out the inadequate housing for poor families. If, as some people suggest no one has children unless they can afford it at the time there will be no one within a generation or two to work and pay taxes and support the elderly population. People expect to be able to start a family and move up the housing ladder with time, there is no chance of that with today's prices. Kids these days are likely to grow up feeling that they have a very raw deal compared to their grandparents and who could blame them. Hannah Foster

9:17am Sun 5 Jan 14

Basildon Lady says...

43k is not my words, it's the words of basildon council.

P.s. besides the point but renting somewhere for 17k is near impossible. My partner rented a tiny flat 8 years ago when things were cheaper and was on similar money to you and he had to get his boss to lie to the letting agent he earned more or he would have been homeless.

Also, council homes were built for working families on a low income. If you don't believe me look it up. I personally got that information from a rather interesting BBC2 documentary that was on over a year ago.
43k is not my words, it's the words of basildon council. P.s. besides the point but renting somewhere for 17k is near impossible. My partner rented a tiny flat 8 years ago when things were cheaper and was on similar money to you and he had to get his boss to lie to the letting agent he earned more or he would have been homeless. Also, council homes were built for working families on a low income. If you don't believe me look it up. I personally got that information from a rather interesting BBC2 documentary that was on over a year ago. Basildon Lady

9:32am Sun 5 Jan 14

Basildon Lady says...

Also wanted to say not everybody has the chance to save up to buy somewhere. Most people pay crazy low keep to mum and dad and save the rest of their salary. Some have a deposit handed to them. Some people have neither. We had to rent a place privately for years and had some money, but nowhere near enough to save a deposit. It was post 2008 and the mortgage market had waned.

One day we had a council bid through (after being on the list for 6 years). We deicided to bid on and won our little flat. We hear judgemental comments about council tenants all the time. I think people are just snobby to be honest, and rude.
Also wanted to say not everybody has the chance to save up to buy somewhere. Most people pay crazy low keep to mum and dad and save the rest of their salary. Some have a deposit handed to them. Some people have neither. We had to rent a place privately for years and had some money, but nowhere near enough to save a deposit. It was post 2008 and the mortgage market had waned. One day we had a council bid through (after being on the list for 6 years). We deicided to bid on and won our little flat. We hear judgemental comments about council tenants all the time. I think people are just snobby to be honest, and rude. Basildon Lady

1:44pm Sun 5 Jan 14

profondo asbo says...

the italian and japanese both have good models. benefit suckers take note.

italian children live with their parents into their 30s and they save.

japanese parents have stopped having children.

the days of having children and expecting the state to pick up the tab are on the way out and good riddance.
the italian and japanese both have good models. benefit suckers take note. italian children live with their parents into their 30s and they save. japanese parents have stopped having children. the days of having children and expecting the state to pick up the tab are on the way out and good riddance. profondo asbo

1:47pm Sun 5 Jan 14

profondo asbo says...

Hannah Foster wrote:
Jaimee91 wrote:
Gemma is my friend, her and Bradley are married, obviously have two beautiful children and BOTH work. They do not and never have SCROUNGED. They are stuck in a hellhole and all judgemental people like you lot can do is assume they are on benefits? As for 'they shouldn't have had a second baby' they have been promised a place time and time again! Instead of slagging off these hardworking parents maybe you should be slagging off the druggies they have to live alongside!
That is the trouble with people, they are far too quick to jump to conclusions. I know working parents who are living in a one bedroom flat with three young children. It shouldn't be so difficult to sort out our priorities and sort out the inadequate housing for poor families. If, as some people suggest no one has children unless they can afford it at the time there will be no one within a generation or two to work and pay taxes and support the elderly population. People expect to be able to start a family and move up the housing ladder with time, there is no chance of that with today's prices. Kids these days are likely to grow up feeling that they have a very raw deal compared to their grandparents and who could blame them.
maybe if they weren't so busy spending all they earn on monthly i-phone upgrades and coke they might be able to save. then again...
[quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jaimee91[/bold] wrote: Gemma is my friend, her and Bradley are married, obviously have two beautiful children and BOTH work. They do not and never have SCROUNGED. They are stuck in a hellhole and all judgemental people like you lot can do is assume they are on benefits? As for 'they shouldn't have had a second baby' they have been promised a place time and time again! Instead of slagging off these hardworking parents maybe you should be slagging off the druggies they have to live alongside![/p][/quote]That is the trouble with people, they are far too quick to jump to conclusions. I know working parents who are living in a one bedroom flat with three young children. It shouldn't be so difficult to sort out our priorities and sort out the inadequate housing for poor families. If, as some people suggest no one has children unless they can afford it at the time there will be no one within a generation or two to work and pay taxes and support the elderly population. People expect to be able to start a family and move up the housing ladder with time, there is no chance of that with today's prices. Kids these days are likely to grow up feeling that they have a very raw deal compared to their grandparents and who could blame them.[/p][/quote]maybe if they weren't so busy spending all they earn on monthly i-phone upgrades and coke they might be able to save. then again... profondo asbo

1:59pm Sun 5 Jan 14

profondo asbo says...

kids have got a raw deal today however not for the reason you think but because of the profligacy of the last government that left us in a trillion pound hole which those same kids and their kids will have to pay off. (no) thanks tony and gordon.
kids have got a raw deal today however not for the reason you think but because of the profligacy of the last government that left us in a trillion pound hole which those same kids and their kids will have to pay off. (no) thanks tony and gordon. profondo asbo

2:54pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Sullycat says...

When are people going to take responsibility for their own lives? You can't wait for other people to help you all the time. Ever heard of private renting? If that's too expensive then you have to make a decision that only you can make. Move or stay? It's no one else's fault that your in this situation.
When are people going to take responsibility for their own lives? You can't wait for other people to help you all the time. Ever heard of private renting? If that's too expensive then you have to make a decision that only you can make. Move or stay? It's no one else's fault that your in this situation. Sullycat

7:04pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Hannah Foster says...

profondo asbo wrote:
the italian and japanese both have good models. benefit suckers take note.

italian children live with their parents into their 30s and they save.

japanese parents have stopped having children.

the days of having children and expecting the state to pick up the tab are on the way out and good riddance.
Generalisations in either direction are dangerous. We have family in Italy and they are struggling to get jobs let alone save, both children are well educated, multi lingual and one of them has been offered a job in the UK recently. No doubt if they moved to the UK there would be people criticising them for taking our jobs. There will always be genuine cases of hardship as well as people that are not responsible with money. Times are tough but only some of society seems to be 'in it together'. The rest are creaming off the benefits which is why inequality is increasing in favour of the Tory bloodsuckers who scoff if anyone suggests they aren't entitled to claim for their biscuits!
[quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: the italian and japanese both have good models. benefit suckers take note. italian children live with their parents into their 30s and they save. japanese parents have stopped having children. the days of having children and expecting the state to pick up the tab are on the way out and good riddance.[/p][/quote]Generalisations in either direction are dangerous. We have family in Italy and they are struggling to get jobs let alone save, both children are well educated, multi lingual and one of them has been offered a job in the UK recently. No doubt if they moved to the UK there would be people criticising them for taking our jobs. There will always be genuine cases of hardship as well as people that are not responsible with money. Times are tough but only some of society seems to be 'in it together'. The rest are creaming off the benefits which is why inequality is increasing in favour of the Tory bloodsuckers who scoff if anyone suggests they aren't entitled to claim for their biscuits! Hannah Foster

7:25pm Sun 5 Jan 14

profondo asbo says...

Hannah Foster wrote:
profondo asbo wrote:
the italian and japanese both have good models. benefit suckers take note.

italian children live with their parents into their 30s and they save.

japanese parents have stopped having children.

the days of having children and expecting the state to pick up the tab are on the way out and good riddance.
Generalisations in either direction are dangerous. We have family in Italy and they are struggling to get jobs let alone save, both children are well educated, multi lingual and one of them has been offered a job in the UK recently. No doubt if they moved to the UK there would be people criticising them for taking our jobs. There will always be genuine cases of hardship as well as people that are not responsible with money. Times are tough but only some of society seems to be 'in it together'. The rest are creaming off the benefits which is why inequality is increasing in favour of the Tory bloodsuckers who scoff if anyone suggests they aren't entitled to claim for their biscuits!
my comment re italy was not related to the economy but the culture. there are few single parent families, teenage pregnancy rate is a fraction of what it is here and children live with their parents out of closer ties or economic necessity. either way it works. in the uk it is broken.
[quote][p][bold]Hannah Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]profondo asbo[/bold] wrote: the italian and japanese both have good models. benefit suckers take note. italian children live with their parents into their 30s and they save. japanese parents have stopped having children. the days of having children and expecting the state to pick up the tab are on the way out and good riddance.[/p][/quote]Generalisations in either direction are dangerous. We have family in Italy and they are struggling to get jobs let alone save, both children are well educated, multi lingual and one of them has been offered a job in the UK recently. No doubt if they moved to the UK there would be people criticising them for taking our jobs. There will always be genuine cases of hardship as well as people that are not responsible with money. Times are tough but only some of society seems to be 'in it together'. The rest are creaming off the benefits which is why inequality is increasing in favour of the Tory bloodsuckers who scoff if anyone suggests they aren't entitled to claim for their biscuits![/p][/quote]my comment re italy was not related to the economy but the culture. there are few single parent families, teenage pregnancy rate is a fraction of what it is here and children live with their parents out of closer ties or economic necessity. either way it works. in the uk it is broken. profondo asbo

3:42pm Mon 6 Jan 14

K2987** says...

yagetme wrote:
K2987** wrote: Reading everyone's comments and amazed at how people are so happy to judge! Council and social housing was created for low income families that weren't from rich backgrounds that can afford deposits for mortgages or to privately rent even. Don't get me wrong there are people that live an work and save their hardest so that they can buy there own properties but I am sure that people will agree that doing so is very difficult and comes with sacrifices. Some are lucky to have family to put them up while they do so and some have rich parents that just hand them the money! These people clearly both work and unfortunately we live in a society where people that Go an earn an honest living especially couples don't get any additional help! For instance free child care costs, free rent, council tax exemptions, free broadband, heating payments and christmas bonuses from the job centre!! I work and have done since I left school! I live in social housing and feel that I have every right to as I am a british citizen who works hard for a living but don't quite earn enough to buy! I pay my way and always have done! And too right these people want to move.. No one knows what situation they were in when they took the place that they have now?! People have read the article and felt the need to assume that theses people don't work and just pop out kids for the fun of it. They have every right to have a family... They aren't saying that they can't support them financially... They are saying that the building has been deemed unsafe for children and they want to know what the council are going to do about it. The council are quick to house people that have come here from other countries or people that pretend to have illnesses so why shouldn't these people have a right to live somewhere that is more suitable!! All you people commenting and judging thinking your so clever have completely miss read the story and judged... You should be ashamed!
Well done for displaying the exact kind of bigotry you are complaining about.
All I am saying is that these people may not have had the opportunity to stay at home and save for a mortgage! Sure it is worse for someone to just assume that because they live in a council flat that they take coke and scrounge off the government!

You all have a right to an opinion but some people feel the need to be personal and call innocent people that work and pay there taxes cokeheads and scroungers!!

Stop being so narrowed minded, assuming that all people that live in social housing are scum!
[quote][p][bold]yagetme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]K2987**[/bold] wrote: Reading everyone's comments and amazed at how people are so happy to judge! Council and social housing was created for low income families that weren't from rich backgrounds that can afford deposits for mortgages or to privately rent even. Don't get me wrong there are people that live an work and save their hardest so that they can buy there own properties but I am sure that people will agree that doing so is very difficult and comes with sacrifices. Some are lucky to have family to put them up while they do so and some have rich parents that just hand them the money! These people clearly both work and unfortunately we live in a society where people that Go an earn an honest living especially couples don't get any additional help! For instance free child care costs, free rent, council tax exemptions, free broadband, heating payments and christmas bonuses from the job centre!! I work and have done since I left school! I live in social housing and feel that I have every right to as I am a british citizen who works hard for a living but don't quite earn enough to buy! I pay my way and always have done! And too right these people want to move.. No one knows what situation they were in when they took the place that they have now?! People have read the article and felt the need to assume that theses people don't work and just pop out kids for the fun of it. They have every right to have a family... They aren't saying that they can't support them financially... They are saying that the building has been deemed unsafe for children and they want to know what the council are going to do about it. The council are quick to house people that have come here from other countries or people that pretend to have illnesses so why shouldn't these people have a right to live somewhere that is more suitable!! All you people commenting and judging thinking your so clever have completely miss read the story and judged... You should be ashamed![/p][/quote]Well done for displaying the exact kind of bigotry you are complaining about.[/p][/quote]All I am saying is that these people may not have had the opportunity to stay at home and save for a mortgage! Sure it is worse for someone to just assume that because they live in a council flat that they take coke and scrounge off the government! You all have a right to an opinion but some people feel the need to be personal and call innocent people that work and pay there taxes cokeheads and scroungers!! Stop being so narrowed minded, assuming that all people that live in social housing are scum! K2987**

4:20pm Mon 6 Jan 14

niki-loo says...

Basildon Lady wrote:
43k is not my words, it's the words of basildon council.

P.s. besides the point but renting somewhere for 17k is near impossible. My partner rented a tiny flat 8 years ago when things were cheaper and was on similar money to you and he had to get his boss to lie to the letting agent he earned more or he would have been homeless.

Also, council homes were built for working families on a low income. If you don't believe me look it up. I personally got that information from a rather interesting BBC2 documentary that was on over a year ago.
43k what a load of tosh!! we privately rent a 3 bed house in rayleigh with an income of around £28000. i rented my 1 bed first flat 5 years ago earning only £1200 a month. so don't tell me private renting is impossible. private renting is impossible for people who cant control their finances and have stupid amounts of debt. but then i suppose that's everyone else's fault as well
[quote][p][bold]Basildon Lady[/bold] wrote: 43k is not my words, it's the words of basildon council. P.s. besides the point but renting somewhere for 17k is near impossible. My partner rented a tiny flat 8 years ago when things were cheaper and was on similar money to you and he had to get his boss to lie to the letting agent he earned more or he would have been homeless. Also, council homes were built for working families on a low income. If you don't believe me look it up. I personally got that information from a rather interesting BBC2 documentary that was on over a year ago.[/p][/quote]43k what a load of tosh!! we privately rent a 3 bed house in rayleigh with an income of around £28000. i rented my 1 bed first flat 5 years ago earning only £1200 a month. so don't tell me private renting is impossible. private renting is impossible for people who cant control their finances and have stupid amounts of debt. but then i suppose that's everyone else's fault as well niki-loo

10:37pm Mon 6 Jan 14

BlueEyes87 says...

K2987** wrote:
Reading everyone's comments and amazed at how people are so happy to judge! Council and social housing was created for low income families that weren't from rich backgrounds that can afford deposits for mortgages or to privately rent even.

Don't get me wrong there are people that live an work and save their hardest so that they can buy there own properties but I am sure that people will agree that doing so is very difficult and comes with sacrifices. Some are lucky to have family to put them up while they do so and some have rich parents that just hand them the money! These people clearly both work and unfortunately we live in a society where people that Go an earn an honest living especially couples don't get any additional help! For instance free child care costs, free rent, council tax exemptions, free broadband, heating payments and christmas bonuses from the job centre!! I work and have done since I left school! I live in social housing and feel that I have every right to as I am a british citizen who works hard for a living but don't quite earn enough to buy! I pay my way and always have done! And too right these people want to move.. No one knows what situation they were in when they took the place that they have now?! People have read the article and felt the need to assume that theses people don't work and just pop out kids for the fun of it. They have every right to have a family... They aren't saying that they can't support them financially... They are saying that the building has been deemed unsafe for children and they want to know what the council are going to do about it. The council are quick to house people that have come here from other countries or people that pretend to have illnesses so why shouldn't these people have a right to live somewhere that is more suitable!! All you people commenting and judging thinking your so clever have completely miss read the story and judged... You should be ashamed!
I'm sorry but no one has a 'right' to have children when they aren't able to look after them properly, and yes, having children before you've even got a place to live is not being a responsible parent. I'd love to have children now, but I'm waiting until I can give them everything they need MYSELF. It doesn't say they work 'hard' either, they might work part-time. If they worked full-time, they could have saved and got a mortgage or privately rented BEFORE having children. If they have a bad credit rating they could have sorted that out, then got a mortgage. They had children, then expected the council to give them somewhere to live, that is so irresponsible. They are your children, they should be YOUR responsibility.
[quote][p][bold]K2987**[/bold] wrote: Reading everyone's comments and amazed at how people are so happy to judge! Council and social housing was created for low income families that weren't from rich backgrounds that can afford deposits for mortgages or to privately rent even. Don't get me wrong there are people that live an work and save their hardest so that they can buy there own properties but I am sure that people will agree that doing so is very difficult and comes with sacrifices. Some are lucky to have family to put them up while they do so and some have rich parents that just hand them the money! These people clearly both work and unfortunately we live in a society where people that Go an earn an honest living especially couples don't get any additional help! For instance free child care costs, free rent, council tax exemptions, free broadband, heating payments and christmas bonuses from the job centre!! I work and have done since I left school! I live in social housing and feel that I have every right to as I am a british citizen who works hard for a living but don't quite earn enough to buy! I pay my way and always have done! And too right these people want to move.. No one knows what situation they were in when they took the place that they have now?! People have read the article and felt the need to assume that theses people don't work and just pop out kids for the fun of it. They have every right to have a family... They aren't saying that they can't support them financially... They are saying that the building has been deemed unsafe for children and they want to know what the council are going to do about it. The council are quick to house people that have come here from other countries or people that pretend to have illnesses so why shouldn't these people have a right to live somewhere that is more suitable!! All you people commenting and judging thinking your so clever have completely miss read the story and judged... You should be ashamed![/p][/quote]I'm sorry but no one has a 'right' to have children when they aren't able to look after them properly, and yes, having children before you've even got a place to live is not being a responsible parent. I'd love to have children now, but I'm waiting until I can give them everything they need MYSELF. It doesn't say they work 'hard' either, they might work part-time. If they worked full-time, they could have saved and got a mortgage or privately rented BEFORE having children. If they have a bad credit rating they could have sorted that out, then got a mortgage. They had children, then expected the council to give them somewhere to live, that is so irresponsible. They are your children, they should be YOUR responsibility. BlueEyes87

1:10am Mon 20 Jan 14

Laurenlacey says...

i dont understand why all you people are so judgemental until you've lived in brooke house then start judging its a horrible place to live its cold my daughter cries at night because its so cold even when i have my heating on! people who are on benefits does not make them a bad person? people on benefits who buy drugs with their money and alcohol are the people who should be working as soon as my daughter goes to school im going straight back to work!! just because gemma lives in this **** hole like myself doesnt mean she doesnt work!! so why dont you stop judging people i bet your lifes are not pefect either theres a 47 year old mum who works and lives in this horrable place and cant get out!!!!
i dont understand why all you people are so judgemental until you've lived in brooke house then start judging its a horrible place to live its cold my daughter cries at night because its so cold even when i have my heating on! people who are on benefits does not make them a bad person? people on benefits who buy drugs with their money and alcohol are the people who should be working as soon as my daughter goes to school im going straight back to work!! just because gemma lives in this **** hole like myself doesnt mean she doesnt work!! so why dont you stop judging people i bet your lifes are not pefect either theres a 47 year old mum who works and lives in this horrable place and cant get out!!!! Laurenlacey

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