Is this how the free-flow toll system at the Dartford Crossing will look?

Is this how the free-flow toll system at the Dartford Crossing will look?

Is this how the free-flow toll system at the Dartford Crossing will look?

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Is this how the free-flow toll system at the Dartford Crossing will look?

An artist’s impression of how the layout could look once free-flow has been introduced in October has been released to the Echo.

The new remote payment system will come into effect later this year, at which point construction work will begin to remove the toll booths and install the new road layout.

The work is due to be completed in spring 2015.

The free-flow system means drivers will no longer have to pay charges at the barrier as they cross.

Instead, payment will be taken remotely by methods including via text message and online.

Traffic control measures including traffic lights will be used on approach to the tunnels at the crossing.

A spokesperson for the Highways Agency said work at the crossing is being planned carefully to minimise disruption to motorists.

They added: “The Dartford-Thurrock river crossing is a vital transport link and the Government is committed to reducing congestion at this crucial gateway both now and in the future.

“We are introducing newer technology and changing the road layout. The scheme will be launched during October 2014. The exact date is still to be confirmed.”

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10:44am Mon 3 Mar 14

pendulum says...

Traffic lights? Surely you are not serious?
Traffic lights? Surely you are not serious? pendulum
  • Score: 21

10:50am Mon 3 Mar 14

Nebs says...

Any use of the word 'free' in connection with this crossing is inappropriate.
Any use of the word 'free' in connection with this crossing is inappropriate. Nebs
  • Score: 42

11:21am Mon 3 Mar 14

Mattster says...

pendulum wrote:
Traffic lights? Surely you are not serious?
I imagine that is to stop entry into the tunnel if there is an accident.
[quote][p][bold]pendulum[/bold] wrote: Traffic lights? Surely you are not serious?[/p][/quote]I imagine that is to stop entry into the tunnel if there is an accident. Mattster
  • Score: 7

11:24am Mon 3 Mar 14

exBillericayDicky says...

How will this cope with foreigners using the crossing? How will they be billed?
Either make it chargable for All, or None
How will this cope with foreigners using the crossing? How will they be billed? Either make it chargable for All, or None exBillericayDicky
  • Score: 39

12:22pm Mon 3 Mar 14

whateverhappened says...

Nebs wrote:
Any use of the word 'free' in connection with this crossing is inappropriate.
Or "flowing"....

.

How will this cope with foreigners using the crossing? How will they be billed?
Either make it chargable for All, or None
Quite right, i reckon a quarter of hgvs are foreign.
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: Any use of the word 'free' in connection with this crossing is inappropriate.[/p][/quote]Or "flowing".... . How will this cope with foreigners using the crossing? How will they be billed? Either make it chargable for All, or None Quite right, i reckon a quarter of hgvs are foreign. whateverhappened
  • Score: 10

12:23pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bazza 1 says...

So, if you don't have a mobile phone or a computer, how do you get across the river?
So, if you don't have a mobile phone or a computer, how do you get across the river? bazza 1
  • Score: 22

12:28pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Nebs says...

bazza 1 wrote:
So, if you don't have a mobile phone or a computer, how do you get across the river?
Borrow a set of French numberplates.
[quote][p][bold]bazza 1[/bold] wrote: So, if you don't have a mobile phone or a computer, how do you get across the river?[/p][/quote]Borrow a set of French numberplates. Nebs
  • Score: 28

1:05pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Howard Cháse says...

bazza 1 wrote:
So, if you don't have a mobile phone or a computer, how do you get across the river?
Go down the road to the Blackwall tunnel
[quote][p][bold]bazza 1[/bold] wrote: So, if you don't have a mobile phone or a computer, how do you get across the river?[/p][/quote]Go down the road to the Blackwall tunnel Howard Cháse
  • Score: 3

1:47pm Mon 3 Mar 14

w-jback says...

"Is this how the free-flow toll system at the Dartford Crossing will look?"

er......NO!
"Is this how the free-flow toll system at the Dartford Crossing will look?" er......NO! w-jback
  • Score: 3

2:05pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Ageing Commuter says...

And what about all those non law abiding citizens who don't register their vehicles to the correct address? They will also get a 'free ride' through the crossing along with Foreign vehicles. Even with ANPR cameras, they ain't going to park a few Police Traffic Cars at the tunnel to go chasing after those whose vehicles are illegal. It might be based on the London Congestion Charging system but I still can't see how they will get payment from illegally registered vehicles. Unless those in the know are not telling us the whole story, it looks like another poorly thought out system. The current charging system is far from perfect but at least everyone who goes through the Toll booths during the charging period, have no choice but to pay to get through.
And what about all those non law abiding citizens who don't register their vehicles to the correct address? They will also get a 'free ride' through the crossing along with Foreign vehicles. Even with ANPR cameras, they ain't going to park a few Police Traffic Cars at the tunnel to go chasing after those whose vehicles are illegal. It might be based on the London Congestion Charging system but I still can't see how they will get payment from illegally registered vehicles. Unless those in the know are not telling us the whole story, it looks like another poorly thought out system. The current charging system is far from perfect but at least everyone who goes through the Toll booths during the charging period, have no choice but to pay to get through. Ageing Commuter
  • Score: 7

2:51pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Crime Pays says...

exBillericayDicky wrote:
How will this cope with foreigners using the crossing? How will they be billed?
Either make it chargable for All, or None
I won't pay the charge anyway, just like I don't with parking fines etc. Nothing will happen.
[quote][p][bold]exBillericayDicky[/bold] wrote: How will this cope with foreigners using the crossing? How will they be billed? Either make it chargable for All, or None[/p][/quote]I won't pay the charge anyway, just like I don't with parking fines etc. Nothing will happen. Crime Pays
  • Score: -7

4:33pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Who_Flung_Dung says...

I'm sure the toll was supposed to be abolished as soon as the bridge/tunnels were paid for.

ABOLISH THE CHARGE!!!! (WHICH CURRENTLY GOES TO THE FRENCH)
I'm sure the toll was supposed to be abolished as soon as the bridge/tunnels were paid for. ABOLISH THE CHARGE!!!! (WHICH CURRENTLY GOES TO THE FRENCH) Who_Flung_Dung
  • Score: 10

6:17pm Mon 3 Mar 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

bazza 1 wrote:
So, if you don't have a mobile phone or a computer, how do you get across the river?
YOU DON'T
[quote][p][bold]bazza 1[/bold] wrote: So, if you don't have a mobile phone or a computer, how do you get across the river?[/p][/quote]YOU DON'T carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 1

6:31pm Mon 3 Mar 14

tricklesthegreek says...

rotating number plates that flip to foreign plates just before you cross and then flip back afterwards. Bond style. Or the more sensible suggestion - stop charging altogether.
rotating number plates that flip to foreign plates just before you cross and then flip back afterwards. Bond style. Or the more sensible suggestion - stop charging altogether. tricklesthegreek
  • Score: 7

7:09pm Mon 3 Mar 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

tricklesthegreek wrote:
rotating number plates that flip to foreign plates just before you cross and then flip back afterwards. Bond style. Or the more sensible suggestion - stop charging altogether.
Wait til the fines start pouring out to the toll dodgers, DVLA will be hot on the tails of those who fail to cough up, their dues...
[quote][p][bold]tricklesthegreek[/bold] wrote: rotating number plates that flip to foreign plates just before you cross and then flip back afterwards. Bond style. Or the more sensible suggestion - stop charging altogether.[/p][/quote]Wait til the fines start pouring out to the toll dodgers, DVLA will be hot on the tails of those who fail to cough up, their dues... carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 0

8:49pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Crime Pays says...

carnmountyouknowitma
kessense
wrote:
tricklesthegreek wrote:
rotating number plates that flip to foreign plates just before you cross and then flip back afterwards. Bond style. Or the more sensible suggestion - stop charging altogether.
Wait til the fines start pouring out to the toll dodgers, DVLA will be hot on the tails of those who fail to cough up, their dues...
Cover up your number plate with black sticky tape. Then when you get across take it off. That's what I would do anyway.
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tricklesthegreek[/bold] wrote: rotating number plates that flip to foreign plates just before you cross and then flip back afterwards. Bond style. Or the more sensible suggestion - stop charging altogether.[/p][/quote]Wait til the fines start pouring out to the toll dodgers, DVLA will be hot on the tails of those who fail to cough up, their dues...[/p][/quote]Cover up your number plate with black sticky tape. Then when you get across take it off. That's what I would do anyway. Crime Pays
  • Score: 0

10:00pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

exBillericayDicky wrote:
How will this cope with foreigners using the crossing? How will they be billed?
Either make it chargable for All, or None
Yes, that's my question. Not just foreigners but other freeloaders in our community that expect everything for free.

I just don't understand how they can extract the cash from millions of people from all over the world as well as the UK.

A lot of people will plead ignorance and others will genuinely not understand why they have to fork out again despite paying road tax. I'm one of them. I thought this thing had paid for itself several times over anyway.

My car is Dart tagged. So why should people like me fork out whilst others get off Scot free?
[quote][p][bold]exBillericayDicky[/bold] wrote: How will this cope with foreigners using the crossing? How will they be billed? Either make it chargable for All, or None[/p][/quote]Yes, that's my question. Not just foreigners but other freeloaders in our community that expect everything for free. I just don't understand how they can extract the cash from millions of people from all over the world as well as the UK. A lot of people will plead ignorance and others will genuinely not understand why they have to fork out again despite paying road tax. I'm one of them. I thought this thing had paid for itself several times over anyway. My car is Dart tagged. So why should people like me fork out whilst others get off Scot free? Kim Gandy
  • Score: 1

10:04pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

Crime Pays wrote:
carnmountyouknowitma

kessense
wrote:
tricklesthegreek wrote:
rotating number plates that flip to foreign plates just before you cross and then flip back afterwards. Bond style. Or the more sensible suggestion - stop charging altogether.
Wait til the fines start pouring out to the toll dodgers, DVLA will be hot on the tails of those who fail to cough up, their dues...
Cover up your number plate with black sticky tape. Then when you get across take it off. That's what I would do anyway.
So you will park on the M25 hard shoulder to pull your sticky tape off... Great plan because at some time you will be pulled.. and your car will be tracked via the multitudinous overhead cameras.

Yeah.. the single brain cell must be on overload right now.

Tell me, when you plug it in to recharge, do all the lights in your house dim?
[quote][p][bold]Crime Pays[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma kessense[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tricklesthegreek[/bold] wrote: rotating number plates that flip to foreign plates just before you cross and then flip back afterwards. Bond style. Or the more sensible suggestion - stop charging altogether.[/p][/quote]Wait til the fines start pouring out to the toll dodgers, DVLA will be hot on the tails of those who fail to cough up, their dues...[/p][/quote]Cover up your number plate with black sticky tape. Then when you get across take it off. That's what I would do anyway.[/p][/quote]So you will park on the M25 hard shoulder to pull your sticky tape off... Great plan because at some time you will be pulled.. and your car will be tracked via the multitudinous overhead cameras. Yeah.. the single brain cell must be on overload right now. Tell me, when you plug it in to recharge, do all the lights in your house dim? Kim Gandy
  • Score: 3

11:07pm Mon 3 Mar 14

peejay13 says...

I do find it funny how it's not mentioned in the article how the majority of toll booth operators are being made redundant due to this change too.....
I do find it funny how it's not mentioned in the article how the majority of toll booth operators are being made redundant due to this change too..... peejay13
  • Score: 3

2:05pm Tue 4 Mar 14

angryofessex says...

Who_Flung_Dung wrote:
I'm sure the toll was supposed to be abolished as soon as the bridge/tunnels were paid for. ABOLISH THE CHARGE!!!! (WHICH CURRENTLY GOES TO THE FRENCH)
You right. They cannot charge a toll, so they call it a congestion charge but it is collection of the congestion charge that causes the congestion.
[quote][p][bold]Who_Flung_Dung[/bold] wrote: I'm sure the toll was supposed to be abolished as soon as the bridge/tunnels were paid for. ABOLISH THE CHARGE!!!! (WHICH CURRENTLY GOES TO THE FRENCH)[/p][/quote]You right. They cannot charge a toll, so they call it a congestion charge but it is collection of the congestion charge that causes the congestion. angryofessex
  • Score: 3

10:10pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Southend65 says...

"Is this how the free-flow toll system at the Dartford Crossing will look?"

No. Not a car in sight in the artist impression.
"Is this how the free-flow toll system at the Dartford Crossing will look?" No. Not a car in sight in the artist impression. Southend65
  • Score: 2

1:16am Wed 5 Mar 14

123xxx says...

Southend65 wrote:
"Is this how the free-flow toll system at the Dartford Crossing will look?"

No. Not a car in sight in the artist impression.
I cant see the river either
[quote][p][bold]Southend65[/bold] wrote: "Is this how the free-flow toll system at the Dartford Crossing will look?" No. Not a car in sight in the artist impression.[/p][/quote]I cant see the river either 123xxx
  • Score: 2

10:56am Wed 5 Mar 14

DannyK86 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
exBillericayDicky wrote:
How will this cope with foreigners using the crossing? How will they be billed?
Either make it chargable for All, or None
Yes, that's my question. Not just foreigners but other freeloaders in our community that expect everything for free.

I just don't understand how they can extract the cash from millions of people from all over the world as well as the UK.

A lot of people will plead ignorance and others will genuinely not understand why they have to fork out again despite paying road tax. I'm one of them. I thought this thing had paid for itself several times over anyway.

My car is Dart tagged. So why should people like me fork out whilst others get off Scot free?
Seems to work for the congestion charge.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]exBillericayDicky[/bold] wrote: How will this cope with foreigners using the crossing? How will they be billed? Either make it chargable for All, or None[/p][/quote]Yes, that's my question. Not just foreigners but other freeloaders in our community that expect everything for free. I just don't understand how they can extract the cash from millions of people from all over the world as well as the UK. A lot of people will plead ignorance and others will genuinely not understand why they have to fork out again despite paying road tax. I'm one of them. I thought this thing had paid for itself several times over anyway. My car is Dart tagged. So why should people like me fork out whilst others get off Scot free?[/p][/quote]Seems to work for the congestion charge. DannyK86
  • Score: 0

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