New homelessness centre "will help end rough sleeping" in Southend

Gary Turner, Harp's service operations manager, project manager Nicky Houston, and site foreman Shaun Hickton outside the new centre in York Road

Gary Turner, Harp's service operations manager, project manager Nicky Houston, and site foreman Shaun Hickton outside the new centre in York Road

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A NEW £2.3million 24-hour homelessness centre will help eradicate rough sleeping from Southend in just four years, says a charity.

Harp hopes its new 18-bedroom night shelter and day centre, which has opened its doors after a decade of work, will help clear Southend’s streets of homeless people by 2018.

The 24-hour centre opened its doors yesterday as workmen put the finishing touches to a year-long conversion of the derelict former Darnley Hotel.

Every bedroom, each of which has an en suite bathroom, is already taken and the new centre will replace Harp’s day centre in Valkyrie Road, which will be sold, and a 16-bedroom hostel further up York Road, which is earmarked for more supported housing.

Gary Turner, service operations manager for the Southend charity, said: “Our aim is to eradicate rough sleeping by 2018.

“The new centre will play a big part, but the key is about working together.

“We have to have all the agencies working with us, with the best interests of the homeless person in mind.”

Residents, who have keys to access their rooms during the day, cook and eat together in the kitchen, lounge and dining room.

Southend Adult Community College offers courses in eviction prevention, employability and confidence building to help homeless people and those at risk of homelessness stabilise their lives in the day centre next door.

Day centre users can also take showers, have a meal in the canteen, socialise in a lounge or speak to some of the facility’s eight staff and five volunteers in private interview rooms.

Work will start on a new garden, with a vegetable patch and quiet seating areas, at the end of this month.

Mr Turner said: “We had cramped conditions. Privacy and confidentiality were pretty much non-existent.

“We have provided a building that gives people the dignity and respect they need as individuals.”

He said continued work with Southend Council, mental health agencies, the Citizens’ Advice Bureau and Southend Adult Community College would make the new facility a success.

Development manager Nicky Houston said: “It’s so exciting and so rewarding.

“The best thing has been everyone’s reaction, the staff, service users and stakeholders.

Everyone has been excited by it.”

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9:09am Thu 13 Mar 14

TheaWells says...

At last!! This is what I was saying on the article about Quantock flats etc.

Way to go!!
At last!! This is what I was saying on the article about Quantock flats etc. Way to go!! TheaWells
  • Score: 13

9:23am Thu 13 Mar 14

JayRSS1 says...

This is so needed. The people I see sleeping rough and begging on and around the high street are the same faces day in day out.
This is so needed. The people I see sleeping rough and begging on and around the high street are the same faces day in day out. JayRSS1
  • Score: 15

9:33am Thu 13 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

doesn't sound bad at all, en suite and all that...... should go head to head with travelodge
doesn't sound bad at all, en suite and all that...... should go head to head with travelodge pembury53
  • Score: 8

11:04am Thu 13 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

The usual 'beet em, mistreet em an sheet on em' (sic) crowd haven't arrived yet...perhaps they are having their whips oiled..
The usual 'beet em, mistreet em an sheet on em' (sic) crowd haven't arrived yet...perhaps they are having their whips oiled.. ThisYear
  • Score: -27

11:15am Thu 13 Mar 14

profondo asbo says...

i'm sure the york road residents are ecstatic
i'm sure the york road residents are ecstatic profondo asbo
  • Score: 3

1:08pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people.

This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded.

The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else.

The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here?

Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots).

And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.
These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people. This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded. The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else. The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here? Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots). And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 15

3:07pm Thu 13 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people. This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded. The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else. The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here? Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots). And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.
to the letter, 100% correct.....
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people. This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded. The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else. The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here? Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots). And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.[/p][/quote]to the letter, 100% correct..... pembury53
  • Score: 5

3:56pm Thu 13 Mar 14

austiali says...

Just what York Road needs, another building full of drinkers and drug addicts.
Just what York Road needs, another building full of drinkers and drug addicts. austiali
  • Score: -8

4:04pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Chris Flunk says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people.

This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded.

The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else.

The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here?

Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots).

And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.
It's always immigration to blame. It's perfectly understandable. How on earth are we British folk supposed to compete with these people? They are coming over here with no money, no skills, no jobs and they don't speak the language and all we have is access to a 1st class education system and a social security system that tries to ensure the same opportunities are available to all.

Also, social justice advocates and international organisations such as Amnesty International have condemned Australia's policies, with one describing them as 'an appeal to fear and racism'
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people. This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded. The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else. The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here? Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots). And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.[/p][/quote]It's always immigration to blame. It's perfectly understandable. How on earth are we British folk supposed to compete with these people? They are coming over here with no money, no skills, no jobs and they don't speak the language and all we have is access to a 1st class education system and a social security system that tries to ensure the same opportunities are available to all. Also, social justice advocates and international organisations such as Amnesty International have condemned Australia's policies, with one describing them as 'an appeal to fear and racism' Chris Flunk
  • Score: 1

4:33pm Thu 13 Mar 14

austiali says...

Will it end rough sleeping in Southend? Isn't one of the conditions of staying here that users of the facility will have to be drink and drug free? Something that the vast majority of rough sleepers in Southend, aren't.
Will it end rough sleeping in Southend? Isn't one of the conditions of staying here that users of the facility will have to be drink and drug free? Something that the vast majority of rough sleepers in Southend, aren't. austiali
  • Score: 11

5:17pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Alekhine says...

Chris Flunk wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote: These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people. This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded. The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else. The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here? Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots). And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.
It's always immigration to blame. It's perfectly understandable. How on earth are we British folk supposed to compete with these people? They are coming over here with no money, no skills, no jobs and they don't speak the language and all we have is access to a 1st class education system and a social security system that tries to ensure the same opportunities are available to all. Also, social justice advocates and international organisations such as Amnesty International have condemned Australia's policies, with one describing them as 'an appeal to fear and racism'
For the EU to function there needs to be a level playing field. All member countires should have a decent liveable benefits system. This is not the case, but what are the social justice advocates doing about that?
[quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people. This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded. The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else. The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here? Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots). And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.[/p][/quote]It's always immigration to blame. It's perfectly understandable. How on earth are we British folk supposed to compete with these people? They are coming over here with no money, no skills, no jobs and they don't speak the language and all we have is access to a 1st class education system and a social security system that tries to ensure the same opportunities are available to all. Also, social justice advocates and international organisations such as Amnesty International have condemned Australia's policies, with one describing them as 'an appeal to fear and racism'[/p][/quote]For the EU to function there needs to be a level playing field. All member countires should have a decent liveable benefits system. This is not the case, but what are the social justice advocates doing about that? Alekhine
  • Score: 16

6:28pm Thu 13 Mar 14

whateverhappened says...

A NEW £2.3million 24-hour homelessness centre will help eradicate rough sleeping from Southend in just four years.
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no it won't it will make the problem worse..as the article says all 18 beds are filled, but if you are sleeping rough in romford and hear there is a ensuite hotel waiting for you in southend the first thing you are going to do is bunk the fare up here, only to find it full then bed down in southend high street.
A NEW £2.3million 24-hour homelessness centre will help eradicate rough sleeping from Southend in just four years. . . .. no it won't it will make the problem worse..as the article says all 18 beds are filled, but if you are sleeping rough in romford and hear there is a ensuite hotel waiting for you in southend the first thing you are going to do is bunk the fare up here, only to find it full then bed down in southend high street. whateverhappened
  • Score: 13

12:44am Fri 14 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people.

This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded.

The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else.

The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here?

Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots).

And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.
How do you know they are what you say they are Ga Ga?

Do you personally know them..

If not 'pipe down' you're ruining the sound of silence...if only!
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people. This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded. The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else. The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here? Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots). And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are what you say they are Ga Ga? Do you personally know them.. If not 'pipe down' you're ruining the sound of silence...if only! ThisYear
  • Score: 3

11:03am Fri 14 Mar 14

Happy Chickie says...

ThisYear wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people.

This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded.

The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else.

The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here?

Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots).

And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.
How do you know they are what you say they are Ga Ga?

Do you personally know them..

If not 'pipe down' you're ruining the sound of silence...if only!
Don't you know...Kimbo knows it all, seen it all, done it all, had it all, been it all. And then some! However, all of it is just a fig newton of her imagination.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people. This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded. The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else. The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here? Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots). And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are what you say they are Ga Ga? Do you personally know them.. If not 'pipe down' you're ruining the sound of silence...if only![/p][/quote]Don't you know...Kimbo knows it all, seen it all, done it all, had it all, been it all. And then some! However, all of it is just a fig newton of her imagination. Happy Chickie
  • Score: 5

7:13pm Fri 14 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

Happy Chickie wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people.

This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded.

The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else.

The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here?

Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots).

And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.
How do you know they are what you say they are Ga Ga?

Do you personally know them..

If not 'pipe down' you're ruining the sound of silence...if only!
Don't you know...Kimbo knows it all, seen it all, done it all, had it all, been it all. And then some! However, all of it is just a fig newton of her imagination.
But does she have the T-shirt... to cover herself..?

Doesn't seem like it?
[quote][p][bold]Happy Chickie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people. This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded. The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else. The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here? Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots). And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are what you say they are Ga Ga? Do you personally know them.. If not 'pipe down' you're ruining the sound of silence...if only![/p][/quote]Don't you know...Kimbo knows it all, seen it all, done it all, had it all, been it all. And then some! However, all of it is just a fig newton of her imagination.[/p][/quote]But does she have the T-shirt... to cover herself..? Doesn't seem like it? ThisYear
  • Score: 0

11:19am Mon 17 Mar 14

DannyK86 says...

Alekhine wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote: These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people. This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded. The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else. The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here? Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots). And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.
It's always immigration to blame. It's perfectly understandable. How on earth are we British folk supposed to compete with these people? They are coming over here with no money, no skills, no jobs and they don't speak the language and all we have is access to a 1st class education system and a social security system that tries to ensure the same opportunities are available to all. Also, social justice advocates and international organisations such as Amnesty International have condemned Australia's policies, with one describing them as 'an appeal to fear and racism'
For the EU to function there needs to be a level playing field. All member countires should have a decent liveable benefits system. This is not the case, but what are the social justice advocates doing about that?
To be fair, studies prove that EU migrants contribute far more in taxes than they take in benefits (and are less likely to claim than British people). There are also about 2 million EU migrants in the UK, and about 2 million Brits living in other parts of the EU, like France, Spain, Portugal, Greece and Bulgaria, so it does work both ways.

The real problem immigrants are the illegal ones, asylum seekers etc, but it's not politically correct to blame them, as you'll be branded a racist, hence why UKIP etc bash European migrants as they're a softer target.
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people. This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded. The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else. The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here? Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots). And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.[/p][/quote]It's always immigration to blame. It's perfectly understandable. How on earth are we British folk supposed to compete with these people? They are coming over here with no money, no skills, no jobs and they don't speak the language and all we have is access to a 1st class education system and a social security system that tries to ensure the same opportunities are available to all. Also, social justice advocates and international organisations such as Amnesty International have condemned Australia's policies, with one describing them as 'an appeal to fear and racism'[/p][/quote]For the EU to function there needs to be a level playing field. All member countires should have a decent liveable benefits system. This is not the case, but what are the social justice advocates doing about that?[/p][/quote]To be fair, studies prove that EU migrants contribute far more in taxes than they take in benefits (and are less likely to claim than British people). There are also about 2 million EU migrants in the UK, and about 2 million Brits living in other parts of the EU, like France, Spain, Portugal, Greece and Bulgaria, so it does work both ways. The real problem immigrants are the illegal ones, asylum seekers etc, but it's not politically correct to blame them, as you'll be branded a racist, hence why UKIP etc bash European migrants as they're a softer target. DannyK86
  • Score: 0

3:59pm Mon 17 Mar 14

pembury53 says...

DannyK86 wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote: These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people. This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded. The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else. The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here? Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots). And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.
It's always immigration to blame. It's perfectly understandable. How on earth are we British folk supposed to compete with these people? They are coming over here with no money, no skills, no jobs and they don't speak the language and all we have is access to a 1st class education system and a social security system that tries to ensure the same opportunities are available to all. Also, social justice advocates and international organisations such as Amnesty International have condemned Australia's policies, with one describing them as 'an appeal to fear and racism'
For the EU to function there needs to be a level playing field. All member countires should have a decent liveable benefits system. This is not the case, but what are the social justice advocates doing about that?
To be fair, studies prove that EU migrants contribute far more in taxes than they take in benefits (and are less likely to claim than British people). There are also about 2 million EU migrants in the UK, and about 2 million Brits living in other parts of the EU, like France, Spain, Portugal, Greece and Bulgaria, so it does work both ways. The real problem immigrants are the illegal ones, asylum seekers etc, but it's not politically correct to blame them, as you'll be branded a racist, hence why UKIP etc bash European migrants as they're a softer target.
the 'studies' are a scam designed to defuse the argument..... minimum wage jobs are soon to be all but exempt from tax, but the costs when they have half a dozen kids on the NHS will be significant, as will the future generations of todays immigrants, needing school places, many without jobs and places to live......
[quote][p][bold]DannyK86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people. This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded. The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else. The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here? Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots). And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.[/p][/quote]It's always immigration to blame. It's perfectly understandable. How on earth are we British folk supposed to compete with these people? They are coming over here with no money, no skills, no jobs and they don't speak the language and all we have is access to a 1st class education system and a social security system that tries to ensure the same opportunities are available to all. Also, social justice advocates and international organisations such as Amnesty International have condemned Australia's policies, with one describing them as 'an appeal to fear and racism'[/p][/quote]For the EU to function there needs to be a level playing field. All member countires should have a decent liveable benefits system. This is not the case, but what are the social justice advocates doing about that?[/p][/quote]To be fair, studies prove that EU migrants contribute far more in taxes than they take in benefits (and are less likely to claim than British people). There are also about 2 million EU migrants in the UK, and about 2 million Brits living in other parts of the EU, like France, Spain, Portugal, Greece and Bulgaria, so it does work both ways. The real problem immigrants are the illegal ones, asylum seekers etc, but it's not politically correct to blame them, as you'll be branded a racist, hence why UKIP etc bash European migrants as they're a softer target.[/p][/quote]the 'studies' are a scam designed to defuse the argument..... minimum wage jobs are soon to be all but exempt from tax, but the costs when they have half a dozen kids on the NHS will be significant, as will the future generations of todays immigrants, needing school places, many without jobs and places to live...... pembury53
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9:56am Wed 19 Mar 14

DannyK86 says...

pembury53 wrote:
DannyK86 wrote:
Alekhine wrote:
Chris Flunk wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote: These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people. This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded. The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else. The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here? Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots). And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.
It's always immigration to blame. It's perfectly understandable. How on earth are we British folk supposed to compete with these people? They are coming over here with no money, no skills, no jobs and they don't speak the language and all we have is access to a 1st class education system and a social security system that tries to ensure the same opportunities are available to all. Also, social justice advocates and international organisations such as Amnesty International have condemned Australia's policies, with one describing them as 'an appeal to fear and racism'
For the EU to function there needs to be a level playing field. All member countires should have a decent liveable benefits system. This is not the case, but what are the social justice advocates doing about that?
To be fair, studies prove that EU migrants contribute far more in taxes than they take in benefits (and are less likely to claim than British people). There are also about 2 million EU migrants in the UK, and about 2 million Brits living in other parts of the EU, like France, Spain, Portugal, Greece and Bulgaria, so it does work both ways. The real problem immigrants are the illegal ones, asylum seekers etc, but it's not politically correct to blame them, as you'll be branded a racist, hence why UKIP etc bash European migrants as they're a softer target.
the 'studies' are a scam designed to defuse the argument..... minimum wage jobs are soon to be all but exempt from tax, but the costs when they have half a dozen kids on the NHS will be significant, as will the future generations of todays immigrants, needing school places, many without jobs and places to live......
Let's not forget that EU migrants include medical professionals, accountants, people working in the City, academics, engineers, scientists etc - not just low-skilled roles.
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DannyK86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris Flunk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: These are GENUINELY homeless people. Not illegal squatters and lawbreakers who inflict themselves on decent people. This is all a result of the southeast and Essex in particular, being overcrowded. The sooner we withdraw from the EU, limit immigration only to those who a) have jobs here or money to set themselves up; b) speak English in full and c) respect our country and its heritage and culture, the sooner we will be able to deal with our own internal problems instead of being a dumping ground for everybody else. The Aussies do it and nobody calls them racists. So why not here? Keeping immigration to a bare minimum, deporting terrorists and agitators like Choudary and co and repatriating all illegal immigrants and those who only came here to claim benefits - and there will be more room for our own GENUINELY homeless. It's not rocket science (except to a minority of idiots). And I differentiate between GENUINELY homeless and those who CHOOSE a certain lifestyle and expect the rest of us to fund it.[/p][/quote]It's always immigration to blame. It's perfectly understandable. How on earth are we British folk supposed to compete with these people? They are coming over here with no money, no skills, no jobs and they don't speak the language and all we have is access to a 1st class education system and a social security system that tries to ensure the same opportunities are available to all. Also, social justice advocates and international organisations such as Amnesty International have condemned Australia's policies, with one describing them as 'an appeal to fear and racism'[/p][/quote]For the EU to function there needs to be a level playing field. All member countires should have a decent liveable benefits system. This is not the case, but what are the social justice advocates doing about that?[/p][/quote]To be fair, studies prove that EU migrants contribute far more in taxes than they take in benefits (and are less likely to claim than British people). There are also about 2 million EU migrants in the UK, and about 2 million Brits living in other parts of the EU, like France, Spain, Portugal, Greece and Bulgaria, so it does work both ways. The real problem immigrants are the illegal ones, asylum seekers etc, but it's not politically correct to blame them, as you'll be branded a racist, hence why UKIP etc bash European migrants as they're a softer target.[/p][/quote]the 'studies' are a scam designed to defuse the argument..... minimum wage jobs are soon to be all but exempt from tax, but the costs when they have half a dozen kids on the NHS will be significant, as will the future generations of todays immigrants, needing school places, many without jobs and places to live......[/p][/quote]Let's not forget that EU migrants include medical professionals, accountants, people working in the City, academics, engineers, scientists etc - not just low-skilled roles. DannyK86
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